Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.
Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are
Speaker 2: a sibling. Raivalry.
Speaker 3: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth.
Speaker 2: Revelry.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I worked with Abs that's what they call her because
Speaker 2: I don't have any apps. On Scream Queens. That was
Speaker 2: quite set, quite the set. Yeah, I was the old
Speaker 2: man on that set. You were with Jamie Jamie Lee.
Speaker 2: But it was a bunch of young ands and me
Speaker 2: and Jamie Lee. You know, I tried to be cool
Speaker 2: and young and hip and it didn't work. So I
Speaker 2: just stayed in my place in the New Orleans. Didn't
Speaker 2: didn't integrate very well. Now anyway, let's bring them in there.
Speaker 2: They've been waiting in the waiting.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, how are you guys.
Speaker 4: We're we're doing good.
Speaker 1: We're good.
Speaker 3: Well, let's just jump right right in. Okay, So where
Speaker 3: were you guys? Born?
Speaker 1: New York? Yeah, you're like New York City? Any hospital?
Speaker 2: Yeah I was, but yeah, oh you were.
Speaker 4: And I always think about it because in friends, like
Speaker 4: when Phoebe gives birth and friends. That like kind of
Speaker 4: roundish building. That's where I was born in. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: My mom really went to all the different hospitals for
Speaker 4: all three of us.
Speaker 3: I feel like, I say, there's another sibling, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: Wait what's your other siblings name?
Speaker 1: Ryan?
Speaker 3: How old is Ryan?
Speaker 2: He just turned forty, just turned forty two days ago,
Speaker 2: So yeah, what's the order here.
Speaker 1: Ryan, I'm in the middle.
Speaker 2: Spec he's the youngest baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god. And she was a little baby
Speaker 3: when we worked together, and she was you were so
Speaker 3: cute and it was crazy.
Speaker 2: Almost forty nine.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oliver, when we worked together, I was
Speaker 4: like nineteen.
Speaker 2: I know, that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Was that ten years ago?
Speaker 1: Years ago? Not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't even It's insane.
Speaker 1: And raising Helen was twenty two years ago.
Speaker 3: Twenty two years ago, pretty nuts?
Speaker 2: Was like, what was what was it like growing up
Speaker 2: in the city? I mean, were you allowed the freedom
Speaker 2: to roam and explore or was it strict or.
Speaker 3: Odd?
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know, I guess about the
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was just what do you.
Speaker 4: Think we have like a kind of like a block
Speaker 4: radius of where we could.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean when I when I turned like thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 1: I started going off on my own doing stuff and
Speaker 1: you know, hanging out with friends and playing in bands
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But before that, you know, we
Speaker 1: weren't like just like wandering around the city like totally unaccompanied.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That didn't happen until I was like sixteen seventeen when
Speaker 4: I started doing that. But yeah, but what I liked
Speaker 4: about growing up in New York I was younger.
Speaker 1: Because I'm a boy, so I got the game earlier.
Speaker 4: It's not safe for the women exactly, yeah, exactly, wilderness.
Speaker 1: I was able to offend for myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was more so. But we were also
Speaker 4: because we were acting. We were traveling so much, so
Speaker 4: we weren't really in New York for massive amounts of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on the road affair amount, Yeah, like a lot
Speaker 1: in La.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Spencer, weren't you already working like when you were
Speaker 3: little doing didn't you?
Speaker 1: I started doing like commercials and stuff when I was three? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, And I started off. My first one was
Speaker 1: a My first two were like a Life cerial commercial
Speaker 1: and a McDonald's commercial with Charles Barkley. Uh. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: then it just kind of went from there.
Speaker 3: It was cool.
Speaker 4: I thought it was burking for some reason.
Speaker 1: Why I was trying to it was a Mickey D's commercial.
Speaker 2: Yeah wait, so this was obviously I mean, you're three
Speaker 2: years old, who You're not making many life choices. Did
Speaker 2: your parents sort of say, look, we're going to get
Speaker 2: you guys into commercials and get you into that.
Speaker 1: So there the origin story or whatever was uh uh.
Speaker 1: It's I always laugh at this now because it seems
Speaker 1: like so weird now as an adult. But when when
Speaker 1: I was like in that eight when I was like three,
Speaker 1: for there was just like indoor playground in Manhattan that
Speaker 1: I used to go to. And it's funny now they
Speaker 1: used to send like talent scouts out to like the
Speaker 1: playgrounds to be like, oh, cute kid, really weird kind
Speaker 1: of like, oh the kid's really adorable, like.
Speaker 4: You just like somebody goes up to like the Karen
Speaker 4: and it's like, I think your child is beautiful.
Speaker 2: So now yeah, it's you're pretty hot kid.
Speaker 1: No, so it's uh yeah, So then I started doing commercials.
Speaker 1: Uh just I I had a good time doing them,
Speaker 1: I guess, and then kind of kind of kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: where I was discovered.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, but Ryan, Ryan didn't have didn't have what
Speaker 2: it took.
Speaker 1: Huh, just zero interest, zero interest. He doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be in front of the camera. I think he did
Speaker 1: do like a cameo in Raising Helen. I think him
Speaker 1: and his buddies.
Speaker 4: Oh uh yeah, when we're like we were supposed.
Speaker 1: To they were supposed to play like I think like
Speaker 1: CD kids in a playground or something like that, like
Speaker 1: the like The Bad Element or whatever.
Speaker 3: God, because Gary don't even remember that.
Speaker 1: Well Gary, like anyone you showed up to set, Gary
Speaker 1: would just be like, oh, you want to do a
Speaker 1: part in the movie.
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Remember when he I'll never forget when
Speaker 3: you were ordering the drink when he was just yelling
Speaker 3: out five hundred million different drinks. Yeahore telling you that
Speaker 3: was my favorite, telling me when to Singapore Sling.
Speaker 4: I always because I did a movie with Gary. Also,
Speaker 4: after I've aught we both did Princess Diary's too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: after Raising Helen, and then I did New Year's Eve
Speaker 4: with Curry and I'll never forget he called my mom
Speaker 4: uh before because in New Year's Eve, I was like
Speaker 4: fourteen years old and it's like we have me and
Speaker 4: this other boy that was in the movie We have
Speaker 4: a kiss, you know, and he said to my mom like,
Speaker 4: I don't want to be lude heard. He was the best,
Speaker 4: the best, He was the best. That's such a fun
Speaker 4: movie because we did a lot in l a and
Speaker 4: we did a lot in New York. And I remember, Kate,
Speaker 4: you like were so cool because when we wrapped, I
Speaker 4: was very sick that day.
Speaker 1: I was starving.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, speaking everywhere. But you took Spencer to
Speaker 4: Swartz and I remember being like, I didn't care that
Speaker 4: I was sick because I wasn't doing a good job
Speaker 4: in the film. Was six years old. I because I
Speaker 4: was like, damn was going to.
Speaker 1: Kate?
Speaker 2: Kate, you took Spencer to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2: It was just the two of you.
Speaker 3: Well like it was well, who else was with us?
Speaker 4: No, it was I think my mom was.
Speaker 1: There and there was someone else who.
Speaker 3: Was there and like my assistant or I remember, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think so it's just a couple of us.
Speaker 1: I remember when Abby was all sick and Gary came
Speaker 1: up to the room. It was like, have you tried
Speaker 1: like saltine crackers?
Speaker 3: Abigail, I'll take you to fish once again.
Speaker 4: I didn't down now, but can American girl doll store exactly?
Speaker 3: I remember, this is such a great There's this scene
Speaker 3: where I'm teaching her. I'm teaching her how to or
Speaker 3: she's just trying to tie her shoes and I come
Speaker 3: into the room and she's just like, you know, crying
Speaker 3: because the last time she was learning how to tire
Speaker 3: shoes was with her mom. And I, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I could not get through this scene. Abigail could make
Speaker 3: herself crush. I mean, she is so years old, she's
Speaker 3: Wannie's age, crazy and she you are accessing something that
Speaker 3: was so like pure and incredible, and everybody was just like,
Speaker 3: oh my god. It was just heart wrenching. I'll never
Speaker 3: forget it. You're sitting in that little.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Actually, this is interesting
Speaker 2: because that's six years old. I don't know. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you have recollection of it, but how are you able
Speaker 2: to do that? Meaning even you and then moving into
Speaker 2: sort of other children watching some of these kids being
Speaker 2: able to access emotion and make it so real. You know,
Speaker 2: how do you remember how you did that where you
Speaker 2: went at six to be able to do that or
Speaker 2: were you just so in the moment of what the
Speaker 2: scene was.
Speaker 4: No, I think there's something wrong with me. I think
Speaker 4: I try to work through this in therapy from time
Speaker 4: to time. I don't really you know why, I no,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: Like, uh uh, I I don't really.
Speaker 4: I see it as a lot of like a mechanical thing.
Speaker 4: I can make myself cry very easily. It's really great,
Speaker 4: like in terms of in my real life, like I
Speaker 4: can manipulate my husband really well. I would cry to
Speaker 4: my dad about getting things. No, I'm kidding, but I'm
Speaker 4: not so. I don't know. I don't know. I think
Speaker 4: I was always just it's my party trick. I can.
Speaker 4: I can cry very yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh and break your heart. Now you're not just crying.
Speaker 3: It was just like it was like heartbreaking.
Speaker 4: Now the older I got, the older I got, the
Speaker 4: more I, you know, would actually think about it. But
Speaker 4: my mom could just say something to me, like you
Speaker 4: need to apologize to your brother, and I would I didn't.
Speaker 1: Want to say sorry, yeah, fair enough. Yeah. It's like
Speaker 1: the hardest thing for me in the world to do.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like anytime I need to do
Speaker 1: any type of scene where I'm crying, I need like
Speaker 1: an hour to like figure out like a game plan
Speaker 1: how to do it. It's like so difficult, so.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, well that you can do it, Like I'm
Speaker 2: kind of with you. I mean I for me, it's
Speaker 2: like right before you know, he's getting ready, they're gonna
Speaker 2: roll camera, and I'm like feeling like I'm fucking I'm
Speaker 2: so money right now, like like the Emmys are gonna
Speaker 2: be stacked up on my shelf. And then action, I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's gone, yeah, there it goes.
Speaker 4: It's like when you have a sneeze and you can't
Speaker 4: get it out right away, so it's like and then
Speaker 4: it's just gone.
Speaker 2: Forever, right, And then half of the scene, I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: damn it, you fucked you had it.
Speaker 1: Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Speaker 4: You really cry very well as well. It really is.
Speaker 3: I think men have a harder time accessing emotion than
Speaker 3: women do. Like we we are sort of almost like
Speaker 3: hardwired to be more connected to our emotional you know.
Speaker 2: I wonder from an evolutionary standpoint, like what that is?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? From a primal place.
Speaker 3: There's a book called a Female Brain, and it's really
Speaker 3: fascinating because it talks about that Ryan's a lot older
Speaker 3: than you, guys then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, seven years old. I'm turning thirty three in a
Speaker 1: few days and Ryan is Yeah, so he's about exactly
Speaker 1: seven years older than me. He's eleven years older than Abby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And how was that dynamic sort of growing
Speaker 2: up as far as the sibling relationships went, you know,
Speaker 2: because he was sort of gone, you know, if he's
Speaker 2: seven years older, well he's seven years old, right.
Speaker 1: No, he I mean it was probably a different dynamic
Speaker 1: because we weren't so close in age. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: like Ryan and I became a lot closer as buddies,
Speaker 1: like when I towards the end of high school for me,
Speaker 1: when he was Yeah, so yeah, we became like a
Speaker 1: lot better pals end, just because you don't like if
Speaker 1: someone's you know, seventeen and ten, that's such a huge
Speaker 1: aage gap, but you know when it's you know, twenty
Speaker 1: and twenty seven, it's kind of not that big a deal, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ryan and I became really closer around the same time,
Speaker 4: Like when I was around seventeen eighteen, we became a
Speaker 4: lot closer, but Sensor and I were because we're only
Speaker 4: four years apart, so we grew up. But the difference
Speaker 4: is like I didn't really get into any fights or
Speaker 4: you know, like sibling issues with Ryan because he was
Speaker 4: in college and was in and out and Spencer and
Speaker 4: I would more it.
Speaker 1: Also would be pretty weird for like a college kid
Speaker 1: to be like picking fights with like a seven year old. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Pretty But it sounds like all of y'all got closer
Speaker 2: as you went as you got older.
Speaker 4: Probably probably yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say.
Speaker 1: We're all we're all pretty tight knit.
Speaker 4: Did you guys grow up very close together?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were all I mean like physically. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well you guys if you started so young, was raising
Speaker 3: hell in like the first time you guys worked together?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then and then that was still like kind of
Speaker 3: in the beginning, right, I mean that was my second movie, right.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'd already been doing it, I guess for
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've been doing it for a while,
Speaker 1: I guess at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean so I guess not that long,
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, I mean I was ten years old,
Speaker 1: so yeah, those are a long three years. Yeah, exactly right, No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was the first time we worked together
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 3: What did it feel like, like, I mean, I'm trying
Speaker 3: to think if we've interviewed like child actors, but you know, notoriously.
Speaker 2: Sibling like sibling child actor. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean it's a difficult. It's difficult anyway, but then you
Speaker 3: add like your childhood, and then you add that you
Speaker 3: guys are growing up together. You guys are going out
Speaker 3: for different jobs, some people are maybe one is working
Speaker 3: more than the other. Like did it create a challenging
Speaker 3: dynamic for you guys?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was really hard when he didn't
Speaker 4: get a little in the sunshine and eye got it.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably. I think the reason that there
Speaker 1: wasn't like a weird dynamic or like any type of
Speaker 1: competitive dynamic was like we're totally different, Like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a guy. She's like like we were never like kind
Speaker 1: of going out for similar things. So there was never
Speaker 1: this like competitive thing as much as oh, like cool,
Speaker 1: you're doing this, you're doing that. Great. We kind of
Speaker 1: had our own thing, like yeah, we chattered, we chat
Speaker 1: our own thing or whatever.
Speaker 2: If that means did you like being on set? I mean,
Speaker 2: was it something you guys loved? Was it you know,
Speaker 2: as a child actor, obviously there's challenges. It's an adult world.
Speaker 2: Do you get thrown into you know, you can get
Speaker 2: fucked up? You know, yeah, how did you guys deal
Speaker 2: with all that?
Speaker 1: I like being on set. I always enjoyed it. I
Speaker 1: never had like I know a lot of people like
Speaker 1: who maybe didn't you know, you hear about people like, oh,
Speaker 1: I grew up a child actor and I hated it
Speaker 1: and I resented and that's here, that's like their own experience.
Speaker 1: For me, I've I've always enjoyed it, and I've never
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, like I missed out on so much
Speaker 1: from being that or this or that. Like I enjoyed
Speaker 1: being on set.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of that too comes from, like,
Speaker 4: you know, the fact that we weren't ever we had options,
Speaker 4: like if we didn't want to do it, our parents
Speaker 4: weren't going to be like oh yeah.
Speaker 1: We weren't like supporting the family got it.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't like that immense amount of pressure. But
Speaker 4: I mean we always I always at least had a
Speaker 4: lot of fun on set. I don't think it was
Speaker 4: until I was like twelve or thirteen when I did
Speaker 4: this one movie where I really started liking acting in
Speaker 4: terms instead of just loving being on set, if that
Speaker 4: makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I just remember also Spencer was a very
Speaker 3: like as a kid, you know, he knew what he wanted.
Speaker 3: He was like a little man. He had very very
Speaker 3: like specific opinions. And oh god, god, you were so
Speaker 3: you guys were so cute. It's like, it's so this
Speaker 3: is so fun for me because I like really knew
Speaker 3: you as kids, ye know, and and your nature, both
Speaker 3: of you, your family, your whole family is so sweet.
Speaker 3: And then we had Hayden. Uh yeah, you also worked
Speaker 3: with Nashville so and she was just like ready to
Speaker 3: be an adult. I mean it was like you had
Speaker 3: the teenage girl and then you had these like two
Speaker 3: that was like ready to be an adult, ready to go,
Speaker 3: ready to party, and then you had these like adoor.
Speaker 3: I got so lucky with all three of you guys.
Speaker 2: Was that was that Owen Wilson.
Speaker 3: Movie, No No Raising? Helen Joan Cuzac, John Corbett.
Speaker 2: John Corbett did a little part.
Speaker 3: Of Paris Hilton, remember that at the at the at
Speaker 3: the restaurant. So did you feel like you had a
Speaker 3: normal childhood because I mean, from my point of view,
Speaker 3: it wasn't that normal.
Speaker 1: Probably not.
Speaker 4: I mean I think as normal is it couldn't.
Speaker 3: Did you go to actual school or were you homeschooled?
Speaker 3: We were homeschool yeah, all three of you.
Speaker 1: Ryan two, Ryan too, Ryan too. Yeah. Homeschooling predates any
Speaker 1: like involvement in showbiz or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. That was more so because my dad had just
Speaker 4: started up his business.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they were doing their own thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I know for me, like when I
Speaker 4: was around fourteen, I did get into a weird thing
Speaker 4: of like getting really obsessed with booking roles all the time.
Speaker 4: And that stemmed from one article that I I read
Speaker 4: online when I had I was thirteen years old and
Speaker 4: I had done a play in New York on Broadway,
Speaker 4: The Miracle Worker, and when the show closed, somebody, I mean,
Speaker 4: who writes is about a thirteen year old child that
Speaker 4: they're like Abigail Breslin star power is waning after the closing.
Speaker 4: Oh no, for reading that online and not knowing at
Speaker 4: thirteen even what the word waning meant and googling it
Speaker 4: and being like, oh god, I have to book rules
Speaker 4: like right now or else I'm completely And my parents
Speaker 4: had noticed that I was getting very you know, stressed
Speaker 4: about looking things, so they made me take about a
Speaker 4: year and a half to two years off to just
Speaker 4: be with my friends. Oh well, and at first I
Speaker 4: was like, I hate you, You're the worst. I think
Speaker 4: it was very important that I, you know, took that
Speaker 4: time to so that that my dad said it to me,
Speaker 4: was like, how can you play a teenager if you
Speaker 4: don't know what it's like?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that's that's amazing honestly that your mom saw
Speaker 2: that and did that, you know. Yeah, really it's so
Speaker 2: easy to say not just keep going, keep chugging it out,
Speaker 2: like yeah, but it's like no, no, no, you need
Speaker 2: to be a fucking kid, you know, child.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that's why. But I don't I
Speaker 4: don't really know anybody who's had a normal childhood.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone in the world. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure normal believe it is.
Speaker 1: I always I always say there's a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I'm in the in the when when
Speaker 3: you're talking, I mean in the sense of like having
Speaker 3: the structure of what most kids are doing on a
Speaker 3: daily basis, Like you wake up, you go to school,
Speaker 3: you have your after school activities. You know their experience, right,
Speaker 3: you play the clarinet.
Speaker 1: I mean I know kids though, who are like in
Speaker 1: like really serious like athletics throughout school and high school,
Speaker 1: and I feel like their life was more crazy than
Speaker 1: uh yeah, the mine wasn't like much more regimented and
Speaker 1: all about you know, work for and for them that
Speaker 1: could be baseball, footbar, swimming or whatever. So I think
Speaker 1: it's all you know, yeah, it's all it's all.
Speaker 3: It's all relative relative, Yeah, except that you're working mostly
Speaker 3: with adults, correct, Yeah, so you're not in an environment
Speaker 3: where you're actually socializing with people your own age and peers,
Speaker 3: which is a really that's why, you know, when when
Speaker 3: people look at the history of child actors, it's like
Speaker 3: that peer development is really important. So when you don't
Speaker 3: have it, I thank god you guys had each other
Speaker 3: in your you know, homeschooling and together had you there's
Speaker 3: three of you, but you know, did you did she
Speaker 3: put did did your parents put you in any like
Speaker 3: after school activities and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Or little league? Like we had swimming, we had gym
Speaker 1: class for uh like the like we were part of
Speaker 1: like kind of like a like a homeschooling group, I
Speaker 1: guess in New York. So there was we were in
Speaker 1: a cult.
Speaker 2: That's what it was.
Speaker 1: We were in a cult. But no, and like you
Speaker 1: get together and do gym classes. I honestly think living
Speaker 1: in New York helped the social aspect because there I
Speaker 1: we weren't around like other kids as much in the business.
Speaker 1: So it'sn't like going to the playground being like, oh,
Speaker 1: who are you repped by?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: It was kind of like nonet really care. It was
Speaker 1: I had my friends from Little League, she had her
Speaker 1: friends from swim class, and it was kind of very
Speaker 1: non like when we weren't working on a movie. It
Speaker 1: was very much like a non show biz kind of house.
Speaker 2: What was the recognition factor, like though you know, well
Speaker 2: you guys recognized as kids?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: I had more creepy experiences, yeah that where like would
Speaker 4: come up and literally physically pick me up, like please
Speaker 4: put down my child, like you don't grab my child
Speaker 4: and name be like I love it, and I would
Speaker 4: cry about like little miss charge And it's when you're
Speaker 4: you know, nine years old, that's in the very overwhelming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had someone, I had someone ask me for
Speaker 1: an autograph while I was standing like at a urinal
Speaker 1: at out back steakhouse, and I was like, you can
Speaker 1: you wait until my hand.
Speaker 2: Praps you just pee on them?
Speaker 3: Like what about the teenagers?
Speaker 2: Did it?
Speaker 4: Did you?
Speaker 3: Were you ever rebellious?
Speaker 1: I was?
Speaker 3: I was quite tell us Spencer, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I heard you're a year and a half sober.
Speaker 1: I am a year and a half sober.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I I guess I liked alcohol, uh and maybe I
Speaker 1: liked it a little bit too much and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: so I you know, but I've I've had my ups
Speaker 1: and downs. I guess with that. I don't know related
Speaker 1: to show business or not. I think it's just because
Speaker 1: I like drinking. So yeah.
Speaker 2: But but but if you're okay talking about it, I
Speaker 2: don't care. What was What was the moment where you're like,
Speaker 2: you know what I says, I like this too much?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like I need to I
Speaker 2: need to get rid of this in my life entirely.
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm semi it's semi relatable because I'm on
Speaker 2: a bit of a sober kick, because for sure, Kate knows, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I just felt like I was just drinking
Speaker 2: too much alcohol, you know what I mean. I I
Speaker 2: was still living my life and functioning and being a
Speaker 2: dad and yeah, husband and working and all that, but
Speaker 2: it was just taking its toll and I couldn't go
Speaker 2: have a martini. I'd have like ten.
Speaker 1: That's that's the whole thing. I think for me, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the old the old saying or whatever.
Speaker 1: Ones too many, ten isn't enough. I just I kind
Speaker 1: of I lost, like all my motivation. I was pretty
Speaker 1: much like waking up to go out and drink with
Speaker 1: people all day. And you know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of my friends have it. Like a lot of the
Speaker 1: people that I liked being around kind of stopped liking
Speaker 1: being around me because I was kind of like just
Speaker 1: a drunk and like there was no kind of like
Speaker 1: humping the brakes ever. It was kind of just one
Speaker 1: hundred percent go, go go, and you got in the
Speaker 1: cycle of yeah, just kind of like a really nasty cycle.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, I really need to
Speaker 1: stop this because this is, you know, getting dangerous and
Speaker 1: I'm not really living a life.
Speaker 3: So what was then, What's been the most surprising part
Speaker 3: of your sobriety so far?
Speaker 1: I was really afraid of how am I okay, how
Speaker 1: am I going to be social with people. If I'm
Speaker 1: not drinking or doing something else, am I gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: get along with people? How am I going to talk
Speaker 1: to people? Everyone's going to realize I suck or I'm
Speaker 1: not funny or this and that, and I might I'm
Speaker 1: still not funny for sure, But.
Speaker 3: Are you funny?
Speaker 2: Though you were funny and then you subjecting, Now you're
Speaker 2: not funny anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, it's just but it didn't work
Speaker 1: out that way. And actually my life's gotten a lot better.
Speaker 1: I've gotten a lot healthier. I don't need to wake
Speaker 1: up and think like, oh, I really hope I wasn't
Speaker 1: a dick to someone last night, or you know, was
Speaker 1: I rude to someone or did I say something nasty
Speaker 1: or you know, it's you know, and and I like
Speaker 1: actually show up to stuff like, yeah, show up to
Speaker 1: like I'm not just like blowing stuff off or forgetting
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: And the energy I'm sure your energy level is are
Speaker 2: like through the roof compared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I'm like, I wake up like it's
Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning, I still like do my things.
Speaker 1: Oh I used to take like two o'clock and wake
Speaker 1: up over and miserable and it would take three four
Speaker 1: hours to just get in a groove.
Speaker 4: It's it's so it's been so strange to see him
Speaker 4: in this way, because you know, everybody has their issues whatever.
Speaker 4: He's my big brother, and I've been so like proud
Speaker 4: of him. Not to be cheesy, I haven't proud of him,
Speaker 4: because it's it's really like I think whenever somebody goes
Speaker 4: through something like that, it's like, oh, I have like
Speaker 4: my my brother back like to being the person they normally,
Speaker 4: you know, know him to be. And he's just been
Speaker 4: like such a badass like in his journey with that,
Speaker 4: and we're very proud of him.
Speaker 3: But I love hearing this so much. Spencer, do you
Speaker 3: feel like your mental clarity is like a completely different Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: We were talking to this doctor Amon who's like a
Speaker 3: psychiatrist and he's on Instagram lized a very popular psychiatrist,
Speaker 3: and but he was saying, like drinking just alcohol is
Speaker 3: just absolutely awful for the brain. Like it just when
Speaker 3: you actually see what it does to your brain function,
Speaker 3: it makes people just be like, h I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: do and and and do that anymore. And the first
Speaker 3: thing that people really realize when they stopped drinking in
Speaker 3: those first like you know, weeks, is like it literally
Speaker 3: it's almost like their whole brain works differently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I was towards the end of
Speaker 1: my drinking. I was, I was drinking about like two
Speaker 1: bottles of vodka day. Oh my god, when you cut
Speaker 1: that out, there's gonna be like a boost in Uh
Speaker 1: it's just because you're basically in a coma when you're
Speaker 1: drinking that much.
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like the first couple of months, I mean,
Speaker 1: i'd say in the first like six months to a year,
Speaker 1: it's definitely tricky figuring out how to fall asleep. That
Speaker 1: was the thing, because and then realizing what sleep actually
Speaker 1: is as opposed to passing out. And uh yeah, and
Speaker 1: like a roller coaster of emotions. Obviously, I'm feeling stuff
Speaker 1: all the time because you've been you know whatever.
Speaker 3: I think that some of this started to get worse
Speaker 3: after you lost your your father, because I know, and
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry to hear that, thank you. Yeah, I've
Speaker 3: thought about that.
Speaker 1: And I was actually talking with in in a meeting
Speaker 1: I go to for my sobriety. I was talking about
Speaker 1: this with someone because you kind of you'll think like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wonder if this was the reason I drank more,
Speaker 1: what was the tipping point? This and that? And I
Speaker 1: would go crazy trying to figure it out. And then
Speaker 1: I realized, like, okay, I think what it is is
Speaker 1: like I'm an alcoholic and it's just what it is,
Speaker 1: and I will you know, I can say, oh, my
Speaker 1: dad died, I'm going to get drunk, and I did.
Speaker 1: I could say, Oh, I booked a movie. I'm going
Speaker 1: to go celebrate and get drunk. Oh I got fired
Speaker 1: from this job. I'm going to get drunk. Oh I
Speaker 1: really great happened. I'm going to get the key part
Speaker 1: being I'm going to get drunk.
Speaker 3: I'm being going to be cheesy too. I'm really proud
Speaker 3: of you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: But now we go like dealing with that and then
Speaker 2: we'll move on. But like, I'm just curious, as his sister,
Speaker 2: how do you approach that? You know? I mean, do
Speaker 2: you say you need to get your shit together you're
Speaker 2: a fucking alcoholic, or you have to tread lightly? You
Speaker 2: have to tread lightly?
Speaker 4: Well, may I say, go do so whatever you want.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 4: Remember at one point when he had come to visit me,
Speaker 4: at one point on a set of a film that
Speaker 4: I was doing and saying to my mom, like, I
Speaker 4: knew he was drunk when he came to visit me
Speaker 4: on the set, and I was like, I'm concerned because
Speaker 4: it's lunchtime on set, which was like, you know whatever
Speaker 4: time it was two pm, and I said, and it's
Speaker 4: just I you know, it was not so much that
Speaker 4: he was hard to be around. It was more so
Speaker 4: that I was worried for him. And then he was
Speaker 4: the one, though, who came and said, you know, I
Speaker 4: gotta I gotta sober up and I gotta get control
Speaker 4: of this. And I felt an immense amount of relief
Speaker 4: in that moment of Like I remember, I was with
Speaker 4: my best friend tailor, and I started crying and I said,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, he's gonna, you know, be healthy, because yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's hard, but I've also known so
Speaker 4: many people who have addiction, and it's not always you know,
Speaker 4: people like to make it this really dark, super scary thing,
Speaker 4: and there are different levels to it. But I think
Speaker 4: him taking accountability and doing what he needed to do
Speaker 4: to feel better has been awesome for him and awesome
Speaker 4: for everybody that knows and loves him because he's he's
Speaker 4: doing so well now and we're super happy. Not that
Speaker 4: he was. It wasn't like he was you know, right
Speaker 4: cars into you know, telephone pools or anything. But you
Speaker 4: know it's.
Speaker 1: Pretty high functioning, but not not really functioning at all.
Speaker 1: It was all kind of a house of cards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and there's probably so many it's dodged
Speaker 2: during you know what I mean, like a billion of them.
Speaker 2: Just it could have been this. It could have been that,
Speaker 2: you could be jail, you call one hundred person, could
Speaker 2: have killed someone in a car. I mean like all
Speaker 2: that hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Very very lucky, Yeah, very grateful that my life is
Speaker 1: so good right now.
Speaker 2: So that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got married. You're a married, married lady. Now
Speaker 3: do you have kids yet or no?
Speaker 4: I have my two fur babies, but one that house
Speaker 4: far and then my other cat, Yoda, who's in the
Speaker 4: other room sulking. He's a hairless cat. But you know,
Speaker 4: that's on the that's on the horizon. I have my
Speaker 4: mother in law and my own mother, you know, asking
Speaker 4: me every day when I know.
Speaker 3: Of course, everyone once they're all ready, they're like ready
Speaker 3: to get to just get their hands on a baby.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, but I'm I'm starting. I've just been
Speaker 4: starting to get that because there were a couple of
Speaker 4: years where I was like, maybe I'm just not the
Speaker 4: type of person who's going to have kids, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And only in the past year or
Speaker 4: so I've been like, like, my friend had a baby
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh God, and this sounds but like,
Speaker 4: I want to eat you. I can't. You know, when
Speaker 4: babies are so cute you want to.
Speaker 2: Consume them, like bite their faces.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm about to go, like your legs swallow a
Speaker 3: baby hole. In an hour and a half.
Speaker 4: I was going to get my hands on that baby legs,
Speaker 4: the little like ringing legs, and I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 4: want to kill you. So I've been definitely starting to
Speaker 4: get that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what have you been working on recently?
Speaker 4: I did this movie with my friend Tyler Shields called
Speaker 4: Chapter fifty one. That's really cool. It's like the Zones
Speaker 4: on Imax. It's very very, very cool, excited, and I
Speaker 4: play an actress in it. So that's really out of
Speaker 4: my wheel.
Speaker 3: Hume couldn't relate to it at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I've been working on my album and
Speaker 4: he does music, and.
Speaker 3: Yes, when did you? When did you guys get into music?
Speaker 1: I mean, we we grew in a house that appreciated
Speaker 1: music a lot. So I mean I started playing in
Speaker 1: like dumb bands and stuff like that when I was
Speaker 1: like thirteen, and then you know, playing around the city
Speaker 1: and then you know, kind of just like little punk bands.
Speaker 1: Don't get mad at me.
Speaker 4: But he was in a band when he was like,
Speaker 4: wortn't called not quite Dead yet?
Speaker 3: Was it metal?
Speaker 1: We were? Yeah, we were, we were. I think the
Speaker 1: band had an identity crisis what kind of music we
Speaker 1: were playing, because we'd play, you know, one day, you know,
Speaker 1: we're a bunch of thirteen fourteen year old boys, so
Speaker 1: one day someone'd be like, oh, play System of a Down.
Speaker 1: Oh let's do this, like a lot of covers and
Speaker 1: then a couple of original songs that I hope I've
Speaker 1: improved somewhat a lyricist and writer and all that since then,
Speaker 1: But maybe not.
Speaker 2: I mean it's.
Speaker 3: Kind of I don't know. System of a Down is
Speaker 3: a great start. Oh no, System of ADAD you're on
Speaker 3: you're on an upward trajectory.
Speaker 1: The System of a Down was great. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: our stuff. We wrote kind of something. All the covers
Speaker 1: we played were we had great taste in music, just
Speaker 1: like our execution for our own stuff was not the best.
Speaker 4: Into his room and he would be on garage band
Speaker 4: and he'd be like, ah, I need you to like
Speaker 4: bang your hair brush against like the ladder for the
Speaker 4: bunk bed. And I was like, wow, I am a musician.
Speaker 2: Right like I made it like I am a recording artist,
Speaker 2: but not quite down yet. It yeah, fucking genius for
Speaker 2: thirteen year olds.
Speaker 1: I mean exactly because we're literally not yet.
Speaker 2: It's a genius name.
Speaker 1: Really, we're really tough.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, when are you planning on? I mean,
Speaker 3: how far along are you with your album?
Speaker 4: It's basically done. I'm just I have some used to
Speaker 4: go on Spotify right now, but I don't go under
Speaker 4: my name. I go under my artist's name, which is Sophomore,
Speaker 4: and it's like very you know, singer songwriter pop.
Speaker 1: It's good fun, it's good stuff.
Speaker 4: It's it's fun, it's fun, and you do such great music.
Speaker 4: Thanks amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just I love hearing that you guys are
Speaker 3: doing this. I'm going to get off and listen immediately.
Speaker 3: I'm mad that I didn't, but I uh to do Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know beyond like I usually do my research.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but you have not.
Speaker 1: I'm mad you don't like celebrate the entire and not
Speaker 1: quite dead yet.
Speaker 3: Yes I should know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to bring back that band. Go find
Speaker 2: your old buddies and make it happen.
Speaker 1: We have a residency at the Sphere coming.
Speaker 3: Okay, so guys, we always end our podcast with a
Speaker 3: two part question. The first part is, you know, what
Speaker 3: is it about your sibling that you wish you had
Speaker 3: more of, something that you would love to be able
Speaker 3: to emulate. And then what is the one thing about
Speaker 3: your sibling or one thing about your sibling that you
Speaker 3: wish you could alleviate that you could, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of remove from them so that they could have a
Speaker 3: better life experience.
Speaker 4: I would say I wish I had sensors Resillliams. He's
Speaker 4: a very resilient person and he really shows up all
Speaker 4: the time and it has a really strong sense of
Speaker 4: like responsibility that I really admire. And the one thing
Speaker 4: I wish I could take away from him is I
Speaker 4: just and I think this is true for like everybody,
Speaker 4: but I wish that he like saw what everybody else
Speaker 4: sees in him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, I was gonna just like do
Speaker 1: like a snarky joke, like, oh I wish I could
Speaker 1: cry on cue.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I know, Abby's Abby's a great uh great at bringing
Speaker 1: people together and like just like always like hosting like
Speaker 1: good parties or like always like just figuring out the
Speaker 1: right combination of people to have around. I mean, I
Speaker 1: have great friends too, but but like she's very good
Speaker 1: at just like getting cool groups of people together.
Speaker 4: Really that's very high com And then I.
Speaker 1: Would say, maybe, uh, I wish she could be on
Speaker 1: time to dinner a bit. If the reservations at seven fifteen,
Speaker 1: I'm ordering it, I'm ordering a quarter to eighty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: But I said the same thing I said, I wish
Speaker 4: that I was more on time.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wanted to say one thing to Oliver because nobody
Speaker 4: remembers this from screen queens, and I really hope that
Speaker 4: you do. Do you remember that scene where you have
Speaker 4: to say the word macob.
Speaker 2: Yeah of course I could not. Oh yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't imagine that in my head, right, No, no, I
Speaker 2: couldn't get it out. It was macabre. McKay bro was
Speaker 2: like I can't get it. It's like it's mccob. I'm like,
Speaker 2: but there's an R. I could not get.
Speaker 1: It and not saying macab on Q, cannot cry on Q.
Speaker 2: So remember my cob because it's m A c A
Speaker 2: b r E. I think it's how.
Speaker 1: You spell it, the name of an Irish cop.
Speaker 2: And it just fucked me up. And I could And
Speaker 2: you know when you you you're coming to that word
Speaker 2: in your dialogue and you're like, ohh here it comes, here,
Speaker 2: it comes.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a fuck, the one that broke you.
Speaker 4: I didn't imagine that in my mind.
Speaker 2: Thanks, that's real. That's real, you guys. I love saying so.
Speaker 3: Much, coming on and sharing everything.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 2: Yes, and congratus on your sobriety body. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Yes, love you love you guys.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy how big I mean, I mean you
Speaker 2: you know, because you haven't seen since they were little,
Speaker 2: little little. I mean I saw Abigail. I mean, I
Speaker 2: can't believe this ten years ago.
Speaker 3: It's almost too much. It's like they're real adults, like
Speaker 3: you got.
Speaker 2: There's so much older there, adults. An adults is a woman,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: It's so weird. That was great. I loved it all right.
Speaker 3: Bye bye ah