WEBVTT - 12/16/21 DPS Hour 1 Jimmy Johnson 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.480 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.720 Sports Radio, and urban Meyer gets fired, and you got 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.640 a great game coming up tonight. You got the Chargers 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.680 against the Kansas City Chiefs. Come on in, stay awhile 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:15.680 the great coach Hall of Famer Jimmy Johnson will join us. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.240 Coming up in a little bit, about twenty minutes from now. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.960 That jumped from college to the NFL since two thousand, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:27.040 Urban Meyer lasted thirteen games two and eleven. Matt Rule 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.760 he went from Baylor to Carolina. He's ten and nineteen. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.360 Cliff Kingsbury from Texas Tech to the Cardinals twenty three 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.360 and twenty and he seems to be on the uptick. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.720 Bill O'Brien went from Penn State to the Texans. He 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.519 was four games over five hundred. Chip Kelly, Oregon to 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.960 the Eagles. He was five games over five hundred. Doug 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.280 Marone went from Syracuse to the Bills, two games under 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.920 five hundred, Greg Ciano Rutgers to the Buccaneers, ten games 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.480 under five hundred. Jim Harbaugh Stanford to the Niners. He 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:05.480 was forty four nineteen and one. Bobby Petrino he was 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.760 three and ten. Another guy who lasted thirteen games, went 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.800 from Louisville to the Falcons and Nick Saban LSU to 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.360 the Dolphins. He was two games under five hundred. Steve 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.959 Spurrier Florida to Washington eight games under five hundred. Butch 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:26.119 Davis Miami to the Browns, he was eleven games under 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.160 five hundred. We'll talk to Jimmy Johnson about that leap 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.160 going from college to the NFL. He did it well, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.800 became a Hall of Famer. He'll join us coming up. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.520 We knew recent history wasn't on the Jags side when 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.480 they hired urban Meyer, because, as I just pointed out, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.640 a lot of these prolific college coaches don't have success 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:49.840 in the NFL, and I'm sure Shad Khan thought urban 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.680 Meyer was going to be an exception. The team was 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.440 plagued by controversy from the day got there. Now you 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.840 have the latest report that is former kicker got kicked 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.800 in the leg. Josh Lambo. Josh Lambo had this to 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:07.160 say about the incident. I see urban come up to 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.800 me out of the corner of my eye. He comes 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:14.000 up to me and he says, hey, dip another word, 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.399 make your ff and kicks and then proceeds to kick 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.400 me right in the LaGG right in the hamstring, also 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.160 on the lag on the hip that kept me out 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.080 for twelve games last year, and I couldn't believe it happened. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:29.760 I looked up at him and I said, don't you 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:34.800 ever kick me again. This was an interview first Coached 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.680 News in Jacksonville, and then Josh Lambo was asked if 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.560 he thought Urban was fit to coach the Jags. This 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.160 is before he got fired. How fit do you feel 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:48.200 coach Urpenmeyer is to lead the Jaguars organization? For me, 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.880 I would say completely unfit. And that is my observation 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.680 from what I saw a day in and day out 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.240 for a lot of months this year. The way that 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.320 he treats the guys in the locker room, there's this 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.960 pompous nature that he has. He get away with anything. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:05.160 You know, I see myself as a Jaguar, and I 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.280 certainly don't see him that way. Urban's demise shows the 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.280 difference between college in the NFL. You know, coaches have 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.240 total autonomy where they not only run the team, but 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.480 in a lot of cases, they run the whole town. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.400 Urban was used to doing what he wanted to do 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.519 as long as he won games, and he won games 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.320 every place he stopped, and maybe we would give him 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.000 a little more leeway if his team was good, but 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.679 there are two and eleven. It was a bad fit 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.760 from the beginning. As I said, when urban Meyer got 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.120 fired or hired, I should say a source told me 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.520 Ryan Day, the current well Ohio state head coach, would 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:42.840 have been a better higher than urban Meyer because he 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.560 would do better at developing Trevor Lawrence. Because we haven't 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.200 thought about or talked about Trevor Lawrence and there's a 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.119 lack of development there with him, and in large part 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.880 because they don't have the right person to be able 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.560 to do that now. Darryl Bevell has been an offensive coordinator, 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.960 he was with Russell Wilson. I want to be fair 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.560 to him, but there is a lack of development with 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.080 Trevor Lawrence right now. And I don't think too many 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:09.960 people have talked about Trevor Lawrence. He's the number one 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.080 overall pick. We to, you know, talk about Zach Wilson. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.719 Zach hasn't done anything with the Jets, but Trevor Lawrence 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.360 has done very little in Jacksonville as well. Urban Meyer 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.840 maybe steps back, maybe figures out how to rebuild his career. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.360 Maybe this is it, but there's a lot of different 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.320 scenarios that can take place here. I think this job 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.960 is a great job, and the reason is they have 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.479 a lot of salary cap money. You have what could 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.320 be a franchise quarterback, and you play in a division 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.520 that you can win. I mean you're in a division 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.279 where you don't have a great quarterback in that division. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.520 And if you're going to follow Urban Meyer, okay, people 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.680 are going to give you a little bit more patience there. 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.760 And I think this could be a great opportunity for 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.479 a coach to come in, help develop Trevor Lawrence, take 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.720 advantage of the salary cap, get some people in there, 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.919 and you know, you look at Ryan Tannehill is not 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.520 a great quarterback. The Texans don't have a quarterback right now, 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.200 and Carson Wentz is we're not quite sure, like you 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.520 can you can compete in this division. And I think 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:24.360 you can compete quickly in this division. But you know, 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.599 this was this was starting to be systemic where Urban 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.200 I mean, this is how Urban coaches now, He intimidates, 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.320 He belittles his assistant coaches. You can get away with 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.400 it when you're winning. You know, you win ten games, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:44.240 eleven games Florida, Ohio State, and he does win in 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.400 college and he's better suited for college. And we pointed 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.840 that out that when you come in and you have that, 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.400 you have to work with players in the NFL. There's 0:05:55.440 --> 0:06:00.080 an adjustment period there. There's a personality adjustment period or 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.279 you have to go let me read the room here, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.080 because you can't go in and go, hey, you guys, 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.640 I'm great and you suck and you're talking to your 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:14.240 coaches that way, Well, who hired the coaches you did? So? 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.200 How great are you that you hired coaches who aren't 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.960 good and then you belittle them. And in college, nobody's 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.480 going to speak out of turn. There's no leaks at Florida, 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.599 there's no leagues at Ohio State. Your local media is 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.919 on your side. You get to the NFL, these coaches 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.400 are probably gone. Can you believe this game? Like? What's 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.080 he done? Who are you? These players? These players are 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.279 going who I don't care what you did at Ohio 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.599 State or Florida. Welcome to the NFL, where every day 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:51.880 you play Alabama and then you're going to kick a player. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.200 They have a player's union. You can't kick him. I mean, 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:02.680 you can't kick anybody, but in the NFL, I mean, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.800 these are grown ass men. They're not gonna put up 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:11.320 with this. But this was the last straw because it 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.040 felt like Shad Khan didn't want to let Urban Meyer 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.360 in the building today. And I'm sure there'll be some settlement, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.640 some payout here. Urban and will eventually have something to 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.640 say at some point here. But you know, he didn't 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:29.320 handle this well. The enormity overwhelmed him. It felt like 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.880 he was in over his head. But it starts with 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:37.200 when you think you're better than everybody else. You know 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.120 what's great when somebody tells you that you're better than 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.680 everybody else, not you telling everybody you're better than everybody else, 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:49.480 and you walk in with that ego and they'll show 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:53.360 you the door. It just doesn't last long. And it 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.239 certainly seemed to play out that way in Jacksonville, where 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.160 it was a question of what he stepped down quote 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.360 unquote due to health reasons again, and I think that 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.600 was the prevailing thought. And as far as who could 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:12.640 step in there, you know, maybe they give Byron Leftwich 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.440 now he's working with Tom Brady in Tampa. Maybe Eric 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:22.400 b enemy gets an opportunity here Brian Dable, who had 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.520 done a great job with Josh Allen and Buffalo. But 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.840 I'd love to know what the buyout's going to be. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.040 Is that that I'd have great, great curiosity with what 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.920 are they going to pay you? This program brought to 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.600 you by the great folks at Panini. The Panini Trading 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:42.360 Cards Hottest Rookie's Biggest Superstars, All time greats. Only place 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.040 to collect them all Panini Trading Cards, the official trading 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.280 cards of the DP show for instant Classics, autographed cards, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.880 Member Billia cards, rare inserts and more. Starter Continue your 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:56.080 collection now at Panini America dot Net. Here's Trevor Lawrence 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:00.360 on what goes on in Jacksonville. Yeah, I mean you're 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.640 always going to have some form of drama. I've learned 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.760 that even just the NFL is just more drama in 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.760 general than the college no matter where you're at. But 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.480 you're right, I mean there's been a lot and yeah, 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.640 to your point, I do think that has to change, 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.040 and you know that's something that we need to work 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.440 on for sure. So you can't always be in the headlines. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.440 You start to go play football, and that's where we're 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.959 trying to get and I have no doubt we'll get there. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.280 Probably thinking I should have stayed in college, although Clemson 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.520 didn't have a good year this year. But yeah, and 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.679 then you know, people immediately said, how about Dabbo Sweeney, 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.480 and I go, haven't we already had a marquee college 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.679 coach coach the Jags. Let's not do that. Let's go opposite. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.800 Now you bring in Dabo, you can help develop Trevor Lawrence. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:47.200 Good luck with that. You don't think that urban connected 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.480 with the players, you know, until Dabbo comes to town, 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.760 that's not a good idea. But maybe you get one 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.000 of these offensive coordinators who gets the opportunity there. But 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.199 now you're ahead of everybody. Now you got a chance too. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.559 Then you know, the job searches open right now. And 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:08.319 as crazy as it may sound, I would still I'd 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:11.000 still be interested in Ryan Day at Ohio State. He 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.800 may not want to leave, you know, there's talk that 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.319 he could be attached to the Chicago Bears job, but 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.120 you know, all indications are he'll eventually be a head 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.320 coach in the NFL. You may not want to go 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.439 back to the college ranks, but if you do Ryan 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.160 Day would be at the top of my list. Yeah, Poem, 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.559 I saw a couple of reports of what the payout 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.640 would be. It's not a buyout Forbmyer, but what he's 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.120 owed it could be over fifty million dollars as of 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.439 right now on paper. Now there a couple of people 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.320 like Florida and others have written that if they could 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.040 fire him for cause and have more of an incident 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.880 that caused his firing, then it would be easier to 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:49.719 claw back the money or not pay him at all. Well, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.240 you have the incident. Yes, he kicked a kicker. That's interesting. Yeah. 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.160 Lou Holtz lasted thirteen games when he coached the Jets. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.440 Bobby Petrino thirteen games when he coached the found Urban 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.680 Meyer thirteen games with the Jags. Stat of the day, 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.520 stat of the day, but stat of the day, stat 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:13.280 of the day? Here comes that what stat of the day? 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.640 Whole question? McLevin. Okay, this is a Paul special and 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.439 it's a hard one to answer. Who coaches first, John 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:31.760 Gruden or urban Meyer. I'm gonna say urban Meyer. I'm 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.560 gonna say urban because he can go back to being 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:39.280 that personality in college that helped him become a Hall 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.880 of Fame coach, and I don't know, you know how 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.719 big a university like John's got to overcome other things 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:52.760 of what we're written in those emails that might be 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:57.400 a little bit tougher. I mean, Urban had baggage anyway, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:00.480 when he was doing the Fox pregame show when people 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.560 brought up USC and I was told adamantly, and he's 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.079 not getting the job at USC. They can't hire him. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.240 And then I thought, Okay, they gave him an offer 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.760 he couldn't refuse in the NFL. John Gruden got an 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.280 offer he couldn't refuse in the NFL because John could 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.120 have stayed and done Monday night football for the next 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.920 ten years if he wanted to. Urban could have stayed 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.599 in TV. But you know what, these guys are fixers. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.120 They always think that they're better. Hey, I can do this, 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.240 I can be better than the next guy. Hey, I 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.240 want in college. I can win here And it's not 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.079 that easy. Yeah, Ton, With the increased use of the 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.120 transfer portal, is there concerned that a college would hire 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.199 hurban Meyer and some of these guys would be like, Oh, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:46.360 I'm out of here. I can do what I'm doing 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.640 at another school that may be just as good as 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.400 wherever Urban might get hired and not have to do 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.960 with that. Well, he's not gonna get hired now, you know, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.160 unless somebody leaves a college job for an NFL job 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:03.080 than maybe. But I'm gonna guess Urban's gonna sit down 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.719 for a little while, maybe survey the situation here, talk 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.319 to his family, see if he needs to do this, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.400 wants to do this, health reasons why, Yeah, but you 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.679 in college, you do have the transfer portal, but you 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.080 do want to be attached to a program that wins 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:22.199 as well. I'm sure Nick Saban's really tough on his players. 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:27.120 I'm probably pretty sure that Nick Saban runs with an 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:31.400 iron fist, but he's also playing in a national championship 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.520 game every year and he's now churning out Heisman Trophy winners. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.160 You can be tough, but I think players want to 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.280 see the end result of Okay, I'm gonna follow you 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.880 only so far, and then after a while you're going, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.200 why am I following this guy? Like I'm I don't 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:49.920 want to fall off a cliff, and that's what we're 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.920 gonna do. And I thought he was going to be 0:13:53.960 --> 0:14:00.120 fired after London, but you know, he lasted thirteen games 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:02.959 and that you know, they won a couple of games 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.600 that took a little bit of the pressure off what 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.200 happened in the bar in Columbus, Ohio. But from the outset, 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.800 look at the timeline, he just didn't get anything right. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.640 And it's not like you go, oh, you know he's 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.520 too old. He's fifty seven, that's not old at all. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:27.040 I mean he's what ten years maybe a little more 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.160 younger than Nick Saban. He's like thirteen years younger than 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:36.840 Pete Carroll, thirteen years younger than Saban. So you know, 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.200 he's got an opportunity to coach again and somebody will 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.560 give him a chance. It's just he learned, as a 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:49.440 lot of these coaches learned. You get humbled in the NFL. Yeah, McClellan. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.680 I mean he went to a lot, even in Ohio State, 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.440 and still got the best recruits every year. He got. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.680 His last recruit was justin Fields, I think right before 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.880 he left. All right, we'll get phone calls Age seven 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.080 seven three d P show email under stp a Dan 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.760 Patrick dot com Twitter handle at DP show. Once again, 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.840 big day for Dion Sanders and Jackson State. They pick 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.280 up the number one recruit in the country and his 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.920 name is Travis Hunter, a defensive back and a wide receiver. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.760 We watched it unfold in real time and he had 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:24.040 three hats and I said, PAULI, I thought he's gonna 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.160 go to Jackson State. And he threw the hats out 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.600 of the way and he had a Jackson State sweatshirt on. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:35.360 We'll talk about that relationship with Deon Sanders and are 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.640 there more to come for Dion in recruiting and the 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:43.640 historically black colleges in universities because Hugh Jackson just got hired. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:48.640 Eddie George is also coaching, and maybe you see a 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.240 little bit of a shift there with getting talent there. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:53.720 All right, we'll take a break. 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He's Fox NFL Sunday analysts, two 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.600 time Super Bowl champion, and I believe one of three 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.320 coaches to coach a national championship team and also a 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.560 Super Bowl winning team Barry Switzer, Pete Carroll, I believe, 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.320 or the other two. Jimmy Johnson joins us. Is that right? 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:20.480 Jimmy I was the first one in after that, the 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:24.440 difference between coaching and college in the NFL today as 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.439 opposed to when you did it is what you know, 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:33.240 Dan uh not too off alone ago. Terry Bradshaw asked 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.720 me on the show. He said, what's the difference in 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:40.800 college coaching and pro coaching and coaching the game? I said, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:45.240 you know, Terry, there's not a world of difference. There's 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:51.000 a galaxy of difference. If you really you can't compare it. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.000 I mean, I could go on and on and on. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.840 If you're in one of the top ten programs in 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:02.280 college football, the difference in the talent is so vast 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.480 you're gonna win ten games just by showing up. So 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.119 a lot of times it's hard to evaluate a college 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.119 coach going into pro football. The other thing is, you know, 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.080 as opposed to grown men that are working for a living. 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:20.639 You know, in college, you're a mentor, you're a father figure. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.240 You know, they're young kids that left home for the 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.680 first time in their life. You know they've got all 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:30.480 kinds of problems, girlfriend problems, academic problems, you know, they're homesick, 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.080 and so you end up spending a half year time 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.960 counseling them. In professional football, they're grown men working for 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.440 a living. You know, they have a job, and how 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:47.200 well you do depends on how much money they're gonna make. 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.000 H So you know, they're a little bit more skeptical 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.480 than an eighteen year old kid. The length of the 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.080 season own, Like I said, I could go on and 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.640 on a home you know. The I remember when Steve 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:05.760 Spurrier went to the Redskins. He said, okay, you looked 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:07.679 at the practice fields and he said, well, this is 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.240 the offensive practice field. He said, is that the defensive 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.040 practice field down there? They said, hey, you only got 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.440 fifty three players. We don't have we don't have enough 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.359 players to have two two greates going. It's not like 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.840 college where you've got a hundred players. But there's a 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:28.439 world of difference between the two. Where did Urban go wrong? Oh? Yeah, 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:33.560 you know, I think the mishaps have been chronicled, Uh, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.720 you know, quite a bit, and I don't want to 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.880 pile on. You know, a lot of things happened. Uh 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.720 Number one, you know, you know when I went to 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:48.080 the Dallas Cowboys, I took the staff with me that 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.760 I had at Oklahoma State. A lot of them had 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.560 been with me at University of Pittsburgh, and but they 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.840 were my Oklahoma State coaches and they were my University 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.480 of Miami coaches that'd been with me for ten fifteen years. 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.280 So you know, there was never a cheek in the harbor, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:07.199 you know. You know, if some disgruntled veteran might say, hey, 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:09.800 we don't need to do it this way, well, the 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.959 entire staff would say, hey, wait a minute, we're going 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:14.679 to do it the way Jimmy wants to do it, 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.440 you know, So there was never any discussion about how 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.000 we were going to do it. It was one voice 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.040 with Urban. You know, he had coaches from all over 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:29.000 and you know from reports, you know there were you know, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:33.720 some dysfunction, you know with the coaching staff. Um, it's 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.240 you know, it's a difficult thing. He took over. He 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:39.200 took over a job, but it was difficult a team 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.119 that hadn't won. But I did the same thing. Now 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.359 it's your people will realize. Tom Landry was one of 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.120 the greatest coaches of all time, but he had had 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:51.680 three straight losing seasons, and not only three straight losing seasons, 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.439 they had the worst record in the NFL. So it 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:58.320 wasn't a matter of coaching. It was talent. And that's 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.119 the thing that I was able to do, is you 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.400 know I was able to jump start it with all 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:06.120 those trades by you know, bringing in more talent. Did 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.040 you pick Troy? Yeah? Oh please. I was in Troy's 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.320 home when he was a sophomore in high school. Yeah. Yeah. 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.000 In fact, I worked on Troy for about three years 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.040 and he was going to commit to Oklahoma State. Uh. 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:24.639 And then his last weekend he went and visited Oklahoma's 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.439 going to throw the ball and he stuck him in 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:28.840 a whist bone. What do you think happened that weekend, 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:33.480 Jimmy with Troy, You know, young colored kids, just like 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:35.679 my oldest son was going to go to Stanford. We 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:37.679 were all set and he went and visited Texas the 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:41.920 last weekend. Brad Anchors called me and said, hey, Jimmy says, 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:46.119 you know, Brent just committed to Texas and my wife says, oh, no, 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:50.680 he didn't. He's going to Stanford. You know, those last 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.120 weekends tell young kids that sometimes they can be swayed. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.760 You have coaches who are successful in college, and as 0:21:57.760 --> 0:21:59.360 you said, for a lot of them, you win ten 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.920 games just talent a loom. But then you not that 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.199 you getting used to losing, but you have to be 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:09.800 able to sort of accept it a little bit like 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.560 you were you were losing that first year. I know 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.040 you don't want to lose, but you can't let it 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:19.720 eat you up, Kenya or did it it almost? I 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.439 mean I remember after that sixteenth game, I walked up 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.320 with my Brenda Bushnell, who did my TV show. I 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:28.639 brought her in from Miami with me. In fact, I 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:33.320 brought you know, the you know, the trainers, administrative assistants, 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:36.439 equipment people, you know. I brought all of them be 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.160 mine and called Jerry fired everybody after we got there. 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:44.040 But but I told Brenda and she said, hey, well, coach, 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:46.040 I know that you're really down. You know I would 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:50.600 just physically and mentally drained. And she said, but we 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.240 can take your TV show tomorrow morning at nine o'clock. 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:56.399 I said, Brenda, get one of the assistants to do it. 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:58.560 I can't do it. I said, I'm gonna grab Ronda 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:00.800 and we're going to the Bahama. I got to get 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.520 out of here. I mean, it's difficult, but now we 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.320 made some moves. Now we traded away our only Pro 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.840