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Speaker 1: That jumped from college to the NFL since two thousand,
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer lasted thirteen games two and eleven. Matt Rule
Speaker 1: he went from Baylor to Carolina. He's ten and nineteen.
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury from Texas Tech to the Cardinals twenty three
Speaker 1: and twenty and he seems to be on the uptick.
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien went from Penn State to the Texans. He
Speaker 1: was four games over five hundred. Chip Kelly, Oregon to
Speaker 1: the Eagles. He was five games over five hundred. Doug
Speaker 1: Marone went from Syracuse to the Bills, two games under
Speaker 1: five hundred, Greg Ciano Rutgers to the Buccaneers, ten games
Speaker 1: under five hundred. Jim Harbaugh Stanford to the Niners. He
Speaker 1: was forty four nineteen and one. Bobby Petrino he was
Speaker 1: three and ten. Another guy who lasted thirteen games, went
Speaker 1: from Louisville to the Falcons and Nick Saban LSU to
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. He was two games under five hundred. Steve
Speaker 1: Spurrier Florida to Washington eight games under five hundred. Butch
Speaker 1: Davis Miami to the Browns, he was eleven games under
Speaker 1: five hundred. We'll talk to Jimmy Johnson about that leap
Speaker 1: going from college to the NFL. He did it well,
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Speaker 1: We knew recent history wasn't on the Jags side when
Speaker 1: they hired urban Meyer, because, as I just pointed out,
Speaker 1: a lot of these prolific college coaches don't have success
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I'm sure Shad Khan thought urban
Speaker 1: Meyer was going to be an exception. The team was
Speaker 1: plagued by controversy from the day got there. Now you
Speaker 1: have the latest report that is former kicker got kicked
Speaker 1: in the leg. Josh Lambo. Josh Lambo had this to
Speaker 1: say about the incident. I see urban come up to
Speaker 1: me out of the corner of my eye. He comes
Speaker 1: up to me and he says, hey, dip another word,
Speaker 1: make your ff and kicks and then proceeds to kick
Speaker 1: me right in the LaGG right in the hamstring, also
Speaker 1: on the lag on the hip that kept me out
Speaker 1: for twelve games last year, and I couldn't believe it happened.
Speaker 1: I looked up at him and I said, don't you
Speaker 1: ever kick me again. This was an interview first Coached
Speaker 1: News in Jacksonville, and then Josh Lambo was asked if
Speaker 1: he thought Urban was fit to coach the Jags. This
Speaker 1: is before he got fired. How fit do you feel
Speaker 1: coach Urpenmeyer is to lead the Jaguars organization? For me,
Speaker 1: I would say completely unfit. And that is my observation
Speaker 1: from what I saw a day in and day out
Speaker 1: for a lot of months this year. The way that
Speaker 1: he treats the guys in the locker room, there's this
Speaker 1: pompous nature that he has. He get away with anything.
Speaker 1: You know, I see myself as a Jaguar, and I
Speaker 1: certainly don't see him that way. Urban's demise shows the
Speaker 1: difference between college in the NFL. You know, coaches have
Speaker 1: total autonomy where they not only run the team, but
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, they run the whole town.
Speaker 1: Urban was used to doing what he wanted to do
Speaker 1: as long as he won games, and he won games
Speaker 1: every place he stopped, and maybe we would give him
Speaker 1: a little more leeway if his team was good, but
Speaker 1: there are two and eleven. It was a bad fit
Speaker 1: from the beginning. As I said, when urban Meyer got
Speaker 1: fired or hired, I should say a source told me
Speaker 1: Ryan Day, the current well Ohio state head coach, would
Speaker 1: have been a better higher than urban Meyer because he
Speaker 1: would do better at developing Trevor Lawrence. Because we haven't
Speaker 1: thought about or talked about Trevor Lawrence and there's a
Speaker 1: lack of development there with him, and in large part
Speaker 1: because they don't have the right person to be able
Speaker 1: to do that now. Darryl Bevell has been an offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: he was with Russell Wilson. I want to be fair
Speaker 1: to him, but there is a lack of development with
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence right now. And I don't think too many
Speaker 1: people have talked about Trevor Lawrence. He's the number one
Speaker 1: overall pick. We to, you know, talk about Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: Zach hasn't done anything with the Jets, but Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: has done very little in Jacksonville as well. Urban Meyer
Speaker 1: maybe steps back, maybe figures out how to rebuild his career.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is it, but there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: scenarios that can take place here. I think this job
Speaker 1: is a great job, and the reason is they have
Speaker 1: a lot of salary cap money. You have what could
Speaker 1: be a franchise quarterback, and you play in a division
Speaker 1: that you can win. I mean you're in a division
Speaker 1: where you don't have a great quarterback in that division.
Speaker 1: And if you're going to follow Urban Meyer, okay, people
Speaker 1: are going to give you a little bit more patience there.
Speaker 1: And I think this could be a great opportunity for
Speaker 1: a coach to come in, help develop Trevor Lawrence, take
Speaker 1: advantage of the salary cap, get some people in there,
Speaker 1: and you know, you look at Ryan Tannehill is not
Speaker 1: a great quarterback. The Texans don't have a quarterback right now,
Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz is we're not quite sure, like you
Speaker 1: can you can compete in this division. And I think
Speaker 1: you can compete quickly in this division. But you know,
Speaker 1: this was this was starting to be systemic where Urban
Speaker 1: I mean, this is how Urban coaches now, He intimidates,
Speaker 1: He belittles his assistant coaches. You can get away with
Speaker 1: it when you're winning. You know, you win ten games,
Speaker 1: eleven games Florida, Ohio State, and he does win in
Speaker 1: college and he's better suited for college. And we pointed
Speaker 1: that out that when you come in and you have that,
Speaker 1: you have to work with players in the NFL. There's
Speaker 1: an adjustment period there. There's a personality adjustment period or
Speaker 1: you have to go let me read the room here,
Speaker 1: because you can't go in and go, hey, you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm great and you suck and you're talking to your
Speaker 1: coaches that way, Well, who hired the coaches you did? So?
Speaker 1: How great are you that you hired coaches who aren't
Speaker 1: good and then you belittle them. And in college, nobody's
Speaker 1: going to speak out of turn. There's no leaks at Florida,
Speaker 1: there's no leagues at Ohio State. Your local media is
Speaker 1: on your side. You get to the NFL, these coaches
Speaker 1: are probably gone. Can you believe this game? Like? What's
Speaker 1: he done? Who are you? These players? These players are
Speaker 1: going who I don't care what you did at Ohio
Speaker 1: State or Florida. Welcome to the NFL, where every day
Speaker 1: you play Alabama and then you're going to kick a player.
Speaker 1: They have a player's union. You can't kick him. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't kick anybody, but in the NFL, I mean,
Speaker 1: these are grown ass men. They're not gonna put up
Speaker 1: with this. But this was the last straw because it
Speaker 1: felt like Shad Khan didn't want to let Urban Meyer
Speaker 1: in the building today. And I'm sure there'll be some settlement,
Speaker 1: some payout here. Urban and will eventually have something to
Speaker 1: say at some point here. But you know, he didn't
Speaker 1: handle this well. The enormity overwhelmed him. It felt like
Speaker 1: he was in over his head. But it starts with
Speaker 1: when you think you're better than everybody else. You know
Speaker 1: what's great when somebody tells you that you're better than
Speaker 1: everybody else, not you telling everybody you're better than everybody else,
Speaker 1: and you walk in with that ego and they'll show
Speaker 1: you the door. It just doesn't last long. And it
Speaker 1: certainly seemed to play out that way in Jacksonville, where
Speaker 1: it was a question of what he stepped down quote
Speaker 1: unquote due to health reasons again, and I think that
Speaker 1: was the prevailing thought. And as far as who could
Speaker 1: step in there, you know, maybe they give Byron Leftwich
Speaker 1: now he's working with Tom Brady in Tampa. Maybe Eric
Speaker 1: b enemy gets an opportunity here Brian Dable, who had
Speaker 1: done a great job with Josh Allen and Buffalo. But
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what the buyout's going to be.
Speaker 1: Is that that I'd have great, great curiosity with what
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Speaker 1: on what goes on in Jacksonville. Yeah, I mean you're
Speaker 1: always going to have some form of drama. I've learned
Speaker 1: that even just the NFL is just more drama in
Speaker 1: general than the college no matter where you're at. But
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean there's been a lot and yeah,
Speaker 1: to your point, I do think that has to change,
Speaker 1: and you know that's something that we need to work
Speaker 1: on for sure. So you can't always be in the headlines.
Speaker 1: You start to go play football, and that's where we're
Speaker 1: trying to get and I have no doubt we'll get there.
Speaker 1: Probably thinking I should have stayed in college, although Clemson
Speaker 1: didn't have a good year this year. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you know, people immediately said, how about Dabbo Sweeney,
Speaker 1: and I go, haven't we already had a marquee college
Speaker 1: coach coach the Jags. Let's not do that. Let's go opposite.
Speaker 1: Now you bring in Dabo, you can help develop Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Good luck with that. You don't think that urban connected
Speaker 1: with the players, you know, until Dabbo comes to town,
Speaker 1: that's not a good idea. But maybe you get one
Speaker 1: of these offensive coordinators who gets the opportunity there. But
Speaker 1: now you're ahead of everybody. Now you got a chance too.
Speaker 1: Then you know, the job searches open right now. And
Speaker 1: as crazy as it may sound, I would still I'd
Speaker 1: still be interested in Ryan Day at Ohio State. He
Speaker 1: may not want to leave, you know, there's talk that
Speaker 1: he could be attached to the Chicago Bears job, but
Speaker 1: you know, all indications are he'll eventually be a head
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL. You may not want to go
Speaker 1: back to the college ranks, but if you do Ryan
Speaker 1: Day would be at the top of my list. Yeah, Poem,
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of reports of what the payout
Speaker 1: would be. It's not a buyout Forbmyer, but what he's
Speaker 1: owed it could be over fifty million dollars as of
Speaker 1: right now on paper. Now there a couple of people
Speaker 1: like Florida and others have written that if they could
Speaker 1: fire him for cause and have more of an incident
Speaker 1: that caused his firing, then it would be easier to
Speaker 1: claw back the money or not pay him at all. Well,
Speaker 1: you have the incident. Yes, he kicked a kicker. That's interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Lou Holtz lasted thirteen games when he coached the Jets.
Speaker 1: Bobby Petrino thirteen games when he coached the found Urban
Speaker 1: Meyer thirteen games with the Jags. Stat of the day,
Speaker 1: stat of the day, but stat of the day, stat
Speaker 1: of the day? Here comes that what stat of the day?
Speaker 1: Whole question? McLevin. Okay, this is a Paul special and
Speaker 1: it's a hard one to answer. Who coaches first, John
Speaker 1: Gruden or urban Meyer. I'm gonna say urban Meyer. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say urban because he can go back to being
Speaker 1: that personality in college that helped him become a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame coach, and I don't know, you know how
Speaker 1: big a university like John's got to overcome other things
Speaker 1: of what we're written in those emails that might be
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher. I mean, Urban had baggage anyway,
Speaker 1: when he was doing the Fox pregame show when people
Speaker 1: brought up USC and I was told adamantly, and he's
Speaker 1: not getting the job at USC. They can't hire him.
Speaker 1: And then I thought, Okay, they gave him an offer
Speaker 1: he couldn't refuse in the NFL. John Gruden got an
Speaker 1: offer he couldn't refuse in the NFL because John could
Speaker 1: have stayed and done Monday night football for the next
Speaker 1: ten years if he wanted to. Urban could have stayed
Speaker 1: in TV. But you know what, these guys are fixers.
Speaker 1: They always think that they're better. Hey, I can do this,
Speaker 1: I can be better than the next guy. Hey, I
Speaker 1: want in college. I can win here And it's not
Speaker 1: that easy. Yeah, Ton, With the increased use of the
Speaker 1: transfer portal, is there concerned that a college would hire
Speaker 1: hurban Meyer and some of these guys would be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I can do what I'm doing
Speaker 1: at another school that may be just as good as
Speaker 1: wherever Urban might get hired and not have to do
Speaker 1: with that. Well, he's not gonna get hired now, you know,
Speaker 1: unless somebody leaves a college job for an NFL job
Speaker 1: than maybe. But I'm gonna guess Urban's gonna sit down
Speaker 1: for a little while, maybe survey the situation here, talk
Speaker 1: to his family, see if he needs to do this,
Speaker 1: wants to do this, health reasons why, Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: in college, you do have the transfer portal, but you
Speaker 1: do want to be attached to a program that wins
Speaker 1: as well. I'm sure Nick Saban's really tough on his players.
Speaker 1: I'm probably pretty sure that Nick Saban runs with an
Speaker 1: iron fist, but he's also playing in a national championship
Speaker 1: game every year and he's now churning out Heisman Trophy winners.
Speaker 1: You can be tough, but I think players want to
Speaker 1: see the end result of Okay, I'm gonna follow you
Speaker 1: only so far, and then after a while you're going,
Speaker 1: why am I following this guy? Like I'm I don't
Speaker 1: want to fall off a cliff, and that's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. And I thought he was going to be
Speaker 1: fired after London, but you know, he lasted thirteen games
Speaker 1: and that you know, they won a couple of games
Speaker 1: that took a little bit of the pressure off what
Speaker 1: happened in the bar in Columbus, Ohio. But from the outset,
Speaker 1: look at the timeline, he just didn't get anything right.
Speaker 1: And it's not like you go, oh, you know he's
Speaker 1: too old. He's fifty seven, that's not old at all.
Speaker 1: I mean he's what ten years maybe a little more
Speaker 1: younger than Nick Saban. He's like thirteen years younger than
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, thirteen years younger than Saban. So you know,
Speaker 1: he's got an opportunity to coach again and somebody will
Speaker 1: give him a chance. It's just he learned, as a
Speaker 1: lot of these coaches learned. You get humbled in the NFL. Yeah, McClellan.
Speaker 1: I mean he went to a lot, even in Ohio State,
Speaker 1: and still got the best recruits every year. He got.
Speaker 1: His last recruit was justin Fields, I think right before
Speaker 1: he left. All right, we'll get phone calls Age seven
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Speaker 1: Patrick dot com Twitter handle at DP show. Once again,
Speaker 1: big day for Dion Sanders and Jackson State. They pick
Speaker 1: up the number one recruit in the country and his
Speaker 1: name is Travis Hunter, a defensive back and a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: We watched it unfold in real time and he had
Speaker 1: three hats and I said, PAULI, I thought he's gonna
Speaker 1: go to Jackson State. And he threw the hats out
Speaker 1: of the way and he had a Jackson State sweatshirt on.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that relationship with Deon Sanders and are
Speaker 1: there more to come for Dion in recruiting and the
Speaker 1: historically black colleges in universities because Hugh Jackson just got hired.
Speaker 1: Eddie George is also coaching, and maybe you see a
Speaker 1: little bit of a shift there with getting talent there.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break. Jimmy Johnson will join
Speaker 1: us coming up next. We'll talk to him about Urban Meyer.
Speaker 1: Also Dak Prescott to Cowboy quarterbacks, get too much credit
Speaker 1: or too much blame? Is it easier or harder to
Speaker 1: go from college to the NFL? So we'll talk to Jimmy.
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Speaker 1: or the other two. Jimmy Johnson joins us. Is that right?
Speaker 1: Jimmy I was the first one in after that, the
Speaker 1: difference between coaching and college in the NFL today as
Speaker 1: opposed to when you did it is what you know,
Speaker 1: Dan uh not too off alone ago. Terry Bradshaw asked
Speaker 1: me on the show. He said, what's the difference in
Speaker 1: college coaching and pro coaching and coaching the game? I said,
Speaker 1: you know, Terry, there's not a world of difference. There's
Speaker 1: a galaxy of difference. If you really you can't compare it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could go on and on and on.
Speaker 1: If you're in one of the top ten programs in
Speaker 1: college football, the difference in the talent is so vast
Speaker 1: you're gonna win ten games just by showing up. So
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's hard to evaluate a college
Speaker 1: coach going into pro football. The other thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: as opposed to grown men that are working for a living.
Speaker 1: You know, in college, you're a mentor, you're a father figure.
Speaker 1: You know, they're young kids that left home for the
Speaker 1: first time in their life. You know they've got all
Speaker 1: kinds of problems, girlfriend problems, academic problems, you know, they're homesick,
Speaker 1: and so you end up spending a half year time
Speaker 1: counseling them. In professional football, they're grown men working for
Speaker 1: a living. You know, they have a job, and how
Speaker 1: well you do depends on how much money they're gonna make.
Speaker 1: H So you know, they're a little bit more skeptical
Speaker 1: than an eighteen year old kid. The length of the
Speaker 1: season own, Like I said, I could go on and
Speaker 1: on a home you know. The I remember when Steve
Speaker 1: Spurrier went to the Redskins. He said, okay, you looked
Speaker 1: at the practice fields and he said, well, this is
Speaker 1: the offensive practice field. He said, is that the defensive
Speaker 1: practice field down there? They said, hey, you only got
Speaker 1: fifty three players. We don't have we don't have enough
Speaker 1: players to have two two greates going. It's not like
Speaker 1: college where you've got a hundred players. But there's a
Speaker 1: world of difference between the two. Where did Urban go wrong? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the mishaps have been chronicled, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, quite a bit, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: pile on. You know, a lot of things happened. Uh
Speaker 1: Number one, you know, you know when I went to
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, I took the staff with me that
Speaker 1: I had at Oklahoma State. A lot of them had
Speaker 1: been with me at University of Pittsburgh, and but they
Speaker 1: were my Oklahoma State coaches and they were my University
Speaker 1: of Miami coaches that'd been with me for ten fifteen years.
Speaker 1: So you know, there was never a cheek in the harbor,
Speaker 1: you know. You know, if some disgruntled veteran might say, hey,
Speaker 1: we don't need to do it this way, well, the
Speaker 1: entire staff would say, hey, wait a minute, we're going
Speaker 1: to do it the way Jimmy wants to do it,
Speaker 1: you know, So there was never any discussion about how
Speaker 1: we were going to do it. It was one voice
Speaker 1: with Urban. You know, he had coaches from all over
Speaker 1: and you know from reports, you know there were you know,
Speaker 1: some dysfunction, you know with the coaching staff. Um, it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's a difficult thing. He took over. He
Speaker 1: took over a job, but it was difficult a team
Speaker 1: that hadn't won. But I did the same thing. Now
Speaker 1: it's your people will realize. Tom Landry was one of
Speaker 1: the greatest coaches of all time, but he had had
Speaker 1: three straight losing seasons, and not only three straight losing seasons,
Speaker 1: they had the worst record in the NFL. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't a matter of coaching. It was talent. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing that I was able to do, is you
Speaker 1: know I was able to jump start it with all
Speaker 1: those trades by you know, bringing in more talent. Did
Speaker 1: you pick Troy? Yeah? Oh please. I was in Troy's
Speaker 1: home when he was a sophomore in high school. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In fact, I worked on Troy for about three years
Speaker 1: and he was going to commit to Oklahoma State. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then his last weekend he went and visited Oklahoma's
Speaker 1: going to throw the ball and he stuck him in
Speaker 1: a whist bone. What do you think happened that weekend,
Speaker 1: Jimmy with Troy, You know, young colored kids, just like
Speaker 1: my oldest son was going to go to Stanford. We
Speaker 1: were all set and he went and visited Texas the
Speaker 1: last weekend. Brad Anchors called me and said, hey, Jimmy says,
Speaker 1: you know, Brent just committed to Texas and my wife says, oh, no,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He's going to Stanford. You know, those last
Speaker 1: weekends tell young kids that sometimes they can be swayed.
Speaker 1: You have coaches who are successful in college, and as
Speaker 1: you said, for a lot of them, you win ten
Speaker 1: games just talent a loom. But then you not that
Speaker 1: you getting used to losing, but you have to be
Speaker 1: able to sort of accept it a little bit like
Speaker 1: you were you were losing that first year. I know
Speaker 1: you don't want to lose, but you can't let it
Speaker 1: eat you up, Kenya or did it it almost? I
Speaker 1: mean I remember after that sixteenth game, I walked up
Speaker 1: with my Brenda Bushnell, who did my TV show. I
Speaker 1: brought her in from Miami with me. In fact, I
Speaker 1: brought you know, the you know, the trainers, administrative assistants,
Speaker 1: equipment people, you know. I brought all of them be
Speaker 1: mine and called Jerry fired everybody after we got there.
Speaker 1: But but I told Brenda and she said, hey, well, coach,
Speaker 1: I know that you're really down. You know I would
Speaker 1: just physically and mentally drained. And she said, but we
Speaker 1: can take your TV show tomorrow morning at nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: I said, Brenda, get one of the assistants to do it.
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I said, I'm gonna grab Ronda
Speaker 1: and we're going to the Bahama. I got to get
Speaker 1: out of here. I mean, it's difficult, but now we
Speaker 1: made some moves. Now we traded away our only Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl player, you know, we we I traded away to
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks Steve Buller to Kansas City. I released the
Speaker 1: leading receiver, so we made some moves that probably cost
Speaker 1: us two or three games. But I wasn't worried about
Speaker 1: that particular year. I wanted to make sure we built
Speaker 1: a team that could win in the future. And in
Speaker 1: the second year, had Troy not hurt his shoulder, we
Speaker 1: would have probably made the playoffs the second year. So
Speaker 1: we were building for the future. But were you in
Speaker 1: jeopardy of getting fired or quitting? Oh? Please, If if
Speaker 1: I'd have gotten fired, I'd have made more money than
Speaker 1: what I did about years, because I had a ten
Speaker 1: year of contract. I'd have had nine years of bonus
Speaker 1: for the money. When's the last time you got a
Speaker 1: call to coach? Oh? You know, I had quite a few,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously after I left Dallas, and then I
Speaker 1: had quite a few after I left Fox. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I had to make a decision between Philadelphia and Tampa
Speaker 1: and Miami, and you know, I wanted to stay in
Speaker 1: South Florida once stay home. So you know, I took
Speaker 1: the Miami job even though their cap was you know, horrendous.
Speaker 1: We were five million over the cap when I took
Speaker 1: the job. Yeah, and then you know, after I left
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, most of the calls then were to be
Speaker 1: general manager or consultant or one thing or another. And
Speaker 1: I even had one team. One team called says, you know,
Speaker 1: come up and run our draft. And I said, what
Speaker 1: do you mean, run your draft? Come up and run
Speaker 1: the draft and pick the players. I said, I can't
Speaker 1: do that. And I said, you know, that's take me
Speaker 1: three months to get you know, up to speed as
Speaker 1: far as the players. And I said, I can't go
Speaker 1: up there and make the decisions. Your general manager and
Speaker 1: your head coach. They're not gonna like that at all,
Speaker 1: you know. And I said, it won't work that way. Plus,
Speaker 1: you can't pay me enough money to you know, be
Speaker 1: away from home for three months. So you told Dan
Speaker 1: Snyder know that you wouldn't do it. I'm not divulging
Speaker 1: the team's Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famer joining us.
Speaker 1: Do Cowboy quarterbacks get too much credit or too much blame? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think the entire team and every player on that
Speaker 1: team gets too much credit and too much blame. There's
Speaker 1: so much visibility with the Dallas Cowboys around the country,
Speaker 1: around the world. Every every week, they're either the greatest
Speaker 1: it's ever been or they're the worst it's ever been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of opinions on every Dallas Cowboy and
Speaker 1: that's the way it is. And you just accept that.
Speaker 1: You know. When I left ESPN, I didn't want ESPN
Speaker 1: to be successful. Now I left on my own. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if after what happened with Dallas that
Speaker 1: you sort of when you leave, do you leave and
Speaker 1: go I hope that they aren't successful. No, you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people there that that I really
Speaker 1: care about, you know. You know, I've got a big
Speaker 1: stake in the Dallas Cowboys. Uh, and so I've got
Speaker 1: a legacy there that you know, I want the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to win. You know, I pull for the Cowboys. You know.
Speaker 1: I brought enriched Dad Rample, even though he only worked
Speaker 1: for me. I brought him to the University of Miami,
Speaker 1: and then I brought him, you know, to the Cowboys
Speaker 1: with me, you know. And so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that I really care about. I want them to win.
Speaker 1: Um and you know, and Jerry and I have a
Speaker 1: strange relationship, but I want Jerry to be successful. I
Speaker 1: wanted to win you know, he's the greatest businessman has
Speaker 1: ever been, But I wanted to win, you know, another
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Has Jerry ever been on your boat? No?
Speaker 1: Uh uh, and I haven't been on his. I think
Speaker 1: his vote's a little bigger than yours, isn't it. Yes,
Speaker 1: you had this quote about Dak Prescott and uh you
Speaker 1: said he can win you a championship if you've got
Speaker 1: really good players around him. Yeah. I think there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things there. Um, you know. I think Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott's number one attribute is he is a great leader,
Speaker 1: great leader for that team. And you can say that
Speaker 1: about a lot of quarterbacks. Number one, any quarterback's got
Speaker 1: to have good players around them, you know. To win
Speaker 1: a championship, any player has to have good players around them.
Speaker 1: But there are certain quarterbacks that could win more with less.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers needs a few good players, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: need a whole team of good players. Um, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, Trent Dilfer, you know, wasn't as
Speaker 1: talented as Dak Prescott, odd, but he won a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl because he had an unbelievable defense. And so I
Speaker 1: think there's it's everything's relative there. I think Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: is an outstanding quarterback, but I do believe he needs,
Speaker 1: you know, an outstanding defense and some great players around
Speaker 1: him to win. And you know, right now, he needs
Speaker 1: that running game to get going so that he can
Speaker 1: take advantage of play action passes and get the ball
Speaker 1: to those great receivers. It was about a month ago,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit longer, that you said on the
Speaker 1: Fox program that you take Justin Herbert over Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've said that. In fact, I said that about two
Speaker 1: years ago. You know, when they were talking about the draft.
Speaker 1: I was on College show and this is a week
Speaker 1: before the draft, and they were telling Detroit was gonna play.
Speaker 1: Take a defensive back, which they ended up taking. I said,
Speaker 1: take a defensive back. I said, did you'd rather have
Speaker 1: a defensive back or a franchise quarterback? You tell me yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, Justin Herbert. Take Justin Herbert. They said, well
Speaker 1: you got Matthew Stafford. I said, I don't care if they.
Speaker 1: I said I had Troy Eightman. I thought Steve Walsh.
Speaker 1: You know, quarterbacks are valuable. I ended up trading Steve
Speaker 1: Walsh for a one, two and to three. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, let them have Matthew Stafford. Let them bring
Speaker 1: in Justin Herbert, then they can make a decision, they
Speaker 1: can move one of them. But you know, a franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback is the heck of a lot more important event
Speaker 1: a defensive back the other thing. Justin Herbert, he had
Speaker 1: everything that I was looking for. Yeah, and he's not
Speaker 1: the most talented quarterback in the league right now. He's
Speaker 1: not the best quarterback in the league. But as far
Speaker 1: as a guy that's only in his second or third year,
Speaker 1: you know, with his intelligence, with his ability with his
Speaker 1: arm to build a football team, I still say I
Speaker 1: would take Justin Herbert. You know, I love what I
Speaker 1: see with him. I thought it was going to take
Speaker 1: a little longer to develop. But what he's doing has
Speaker 1: not happened before. Like you're throwing for over thirty touchdowns
Speaker 1: your first two seasons in the NFL, and then he's
Speaker 1: only going to just get better. You know, as he
Speaker 1: gets more experienced, he's going to get better. But uh,
Speaker 1: you know, people criticize me for saying that they're in
Speaker 1: the second week of the season, but and at that time,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes was struggling a little bit. You know, he
Speaker 1: wanted to throw the ball down the field. Obviously, Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes is one of the most talented quarterbacks I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Uh but you know, you know, my Holmes has had
Speaker 1: a couple of bit of injuries. You know, Herbert is
Speaker 1: a big, strong guy, and uh, yeah, I liked what
Speaker 1: I saw. If you could take justin Herbert or Troy Aikman,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm not really good at making those kind
Speaker 1: of comparisons, not with my buddy Troy. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: You know, Herbert reminds me a lot of Troy. Both
Speaker 1: of them very smart, both of them work extremely hard.
Speaker 1: Both of them big and strong. Both of them got
Speaker 1: a strong arm, you know, and so hey, they're they're comparable,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna choose. So they're kind of like
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw was when he played. Uh now that's a
Speaker 1: different subject, but he is. Actually I recruit helped recruit
Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw when he was a senior in high school.
Speaker 1: E J. Lewis and I sit in the stands at
Speaker 1: Woodlaw and High School. That was my first job coaching
Speaker 1: at Louisiana Tech. And I watched Terry play his senior
Speaker 1: year and he ended up going to Louisiana Tech. But
Speaker 1: he was everybody's number one, big, strong quarterback. You could
Speaker 1: throw it all over the field. How did he end
Speaker 1: up at Louisiana Tech? Terry had to tell you. Then
Speaker 1: he lived right there in Sreeport and in Ruston, was
Speaker 1: only about thirty miles away. So probably a mama's boy
Speaker 1: and homesick and wanted to stay close. He's he's definitely
Speaker 1: a family, family man, you know, as far as his family. Uh,
Speaker 1: what do we see about Belichick or what do we
Speaker 1: not see about Bill Belichick and what he does? Because
Speaker 1: it da he's the best, um, But what what is
Speaker 1: it though, Jimmy, Because you you're one of my favorite,
Speaker 1: one of the smartest, you know, football people I've ever
Speaker 1: been around. But Belichick just does he seems to be
Speaker 1: on a different level. Well, we've been friends for over
Speaker 1: thirty years back when he was at Cleveland. We made
Speaker 1: a few trades and as at the Kentucky Derby with him,
Speaker 1: uh thirty years ago. And then he comes down quite often,
Speaker 1: and you know we visit on occasion. To give you
Speaker 1: an example, you know, one of the times he came
Speaker 1: down here to the Keys and he's always got a
Speaker 1: little bit of an agenda, you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: I want to go in the boat and drink here,
Speaker 1: you know. And we got on the boat and he
Speaker 1: started talking about the draft, and you know, he's saying,
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy, he said, you know this and that,
Speaker 1: we've got some extra picks here and there, and you know,
Speaker 1: he started rattling and off the players that I had
Speaker 1: drafted when I was at Dallas. He'd already done his homework,
Speaker 1: and some of the guys I had forgotten about it.
Speaker 1: He said, you drafted those players, but your team was
Speaker 1: so good that you know, you weren't able to keep them.
Speaker 1: They made another team. You had to cut them, and
Speaker 1: they went to another team. I said, Bill, I said,
Speaker 1: draft picks are like currency, They're like money. And I said,
Speaker 1: you know how every single draft, you know you're going
Speaker 1: to be in that round and some you know, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be five teams calling and say he will treat
Speaker 1: you trade you next year's two for year three. I said,
Speaker 1: so bank some of those picks. You know. That was
Speaker 1: one year that we finished, you know. And then a
Speaker 1: year later he comes down and he's talking about he's
Speaker 1: got three players that are wanting new contracts. So, and
Speaker 1: he started talking about some of the contracts that we
Speaker 1: had done. So he's always working to get better. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I've sat with him and Linda and Ronda
Speaker 1: and I at a restaurant, you know, here in the
Speaker 1: all season, and he's on the phone with with agents
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, a free agent. You know, we'll negotiate,
Speaker 1: we'll do this and that. Well, you know, he's always working.
Speaker 1: He's the best. Um uh. You know, people want to
Speaker 1: compare great coaches of all time, and obviously you look
Speaker 1: at the Tom Landry's and the Chuck Knowles and the
Speaker 1: Don Shula's and everything else. But that was a different era.
Speaker 1: I mean back then, you built your team and that team,
Speaker 1: say together for ten years. You didn't have free agency,
Speaker 1: you didn't lose anybody. Today's football, I mean you've got
Speaker 1: about fifty players or so, and you're liable to have
Speaker 1: to you know, middle the season, you're not able to
Speaker 1: have to take somebody off the street and have him
Speaker 1: play that week. So I think it. I think coaching
Speaker 1: is more important today than it's ever been. You know,
Speaker 1: used to you draft a rookie, he'd be on the
Speaker 1: bench for about three years before he ever played. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: you draft a rookie, he's gonna be playing it some
Speaker 1: time during the year. You know, coaches have to be
Speaker 1: great teachers, you know, they have to be better teachers
Speaker 1: than they've ever been. Now they've got about twenty five
Speaker 1: coaches now, they used to have about Savenay, you know,
Speaker 1: so they got a lot of teachers on their staff.
Speaker 1: How about a show Beers with Beers on the Boat
Speaker 1: with so you you when you have Didka, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could have Troy on there, maybe Jerry one day, Belichick,
Speaker 1: I can help you produce this Beers on the Boat
Speaker 1: with if I start listing all of the general managers,
Speaker 1: the owners, the coaches, the pro coaches, the college coaches
Speaker 1: that have come down here. Yeah, I've already had beers
Speaker 1: with most all of them. I mean, you know everybody,
Speaker 1: Bob McNair and Cal McNair, Tom Benson, you know, John Shaw,
Speaker 1: Dean Spanos has been down here two or three times,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Lorie, you know, I mean, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: the same thing with the head coaches. So I've had
Speaker 1: beers with most of them anyway, But now we film it.
Speaker 1: Now we film it, and if we film it's being
Speaker 1: about like what David Hill wanted great TV guys of
Speaker 1: all time. When you're there at Fox. We have a
Speaker 1: production meeting on Sunday morning for about fifteen minutes before
Speaker 1: we go do the show, and we would laugh and
Speaker 1: cut up and tell stories one thing, and he said, man,
Speaker 1: this is great, this is great TV. He brought a
Speaker 1: camera in the next week. You say a word, so
Speaker 1: you put it. You put a camera on that boat.
Speaker 1: I don't think coach be filling me Larne Sailors stories.
Speaker 1: It just means you have to drink more beer. Hey,
Speaker 1: everybody gets quite when the red light goes on. It's
Speaker 1: great to talk to you. Jimmy, Thank you, Happy holidays,
Speaker 1: and uh, we appreciate you joining us. All right then,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson Hall of Famer, Fox NFL Sunday analysts want
Speaker 1: to come up with Super Bowls and the National Championship
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Speaker 1: of phone calls in here. Who coaches first? John Gruden
Speaker 1: or Urban Meyer? Slightly to Urban so far? All right?
Speaker 1: I watched the Lakers last night. MAVs blew the game.
Speaker 1: Austin Reeves out of Wichita State hit the game winner.
Speaker 1: He's a rookie, undrafted. I like how they're already making
Speaker 1: comparisons with Caruso. Then I go, come on, really, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of reminds me of Alex Caruso.
Speaker 1: I said, what, six five white guy? Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: he's got some athleticism. Yeah, he's sneaky athleticism. He might
Speaker 1: be a coach's son, who knows, but hit the game winner.
Speaker 1: I like how they're passing the ball around on the perimeter.
Speaker 1: They actually throw the ball to Russell Westbrook in the corner,
Speaker 1: and somehow Dallas didn't encourage Russell Westbrook to take the
Speaker 1: jumper like like Todd did with Mario. You know, you
Speaker 1: just go go ahead, and then Russ starts to drive
Speaker 1: and he dishes it now to Austin Reeves and they
Speaker 1: beat the Dallas Mavericks. Not exactly a monumental achievement since
Speaker 1: Luca don Chick wasn't playing that Dallas blew that game. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: this kid, Austin Reeves played a couple of years at
Speaker 1: Whitchita State and then two years he transferred to Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: average eighteen points his last year at Oklahoma. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember watching a game and I came in that was
Speaker 1: probably a Saturday game, and he it looked like he'd
Speaker 1: embraced Pete Merovich, like he had pretty good handle, had
Speaker 1: some flair and you know, six five had some range there.
Speaker 1: Not Pete Merovich, but you could tell where he was
Speaker 1: probably heavily influenced by Pete Merovitch with the way he played.
Speaker 1: But he hit a big shot last night. You know,
Speaker 1: when you think about that, when you want the game
Speaker 1: on the line, who's taking the shot. Well, he is open,
Speaker 1: and if he's a knockdown shooter, then he was the
Speaker 1: right guy to get the ball. I'm still concerned watching
Speaker 1: Lebron fire up threes, Like, Lebron, you're not Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: But it's the wear and tear that I think he's
Speaker 1: he's trying to avoid. It feels like he's load managing
Speaker 1: while he plays that. I'm just not going to be
Speaker 1: pounding the ball to the hoop all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to try to gear up for the postseason.
Speaker 1: And if that's his goal and you're gonna shoot threes
Speaker 1: and you could survive that way, and then fine. But
Speaker 1: you know, we said this at the beginning when I
Speaker 1: watched the first couple of games, I said, Lebron is
Speaker 1: going to shoot threes all year long. He'll shoot the
Speaker 1: most threes of his career. And he's doing it not
Speaker 1: by accident, because he can get to the hoop anytime
Speaker 1: he wants. I don't think there's any better player going
Speaker 1: right getting to the hoop then Lebron. You can't stop him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan even said you can't stop that. He goes right,
Speaker 1: he'd go into the hoop. You're not going to stop him.
Speaker 1: He just doesn't want to get you banged around, doesn't
Speaker 1: want to shoot free throws that wear and tear. Gonna
Speaker 1: be thirty seven, And I like how you get these headlines.
Speaker 1: You know eventually he's gonna start slipping a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah he will. You know it could be this year.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be what he was five years ago.
Speaker 1: He's still a great player, but that ability to be
Speaker 1: able to carry a team those days, those are rapidly diminishing.
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