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Speaker 1: Inside Scoop time quick Hitters with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,

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Speaker 1: let's get right to the Orioles Angels trade. I love

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Speaker 1: a big leaguer for big leaguer deal. We kind of

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Speaker 1: smash the Oriols for this one for giving up on

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Speaker 1: Grayson Rodriguez.

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Speaker 2: But what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well, I heard what you guys are saying, and certainly

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Speaker 3: your points of view are understandable. I did talk to

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Speaker 3: some people this morning. I think I have a little

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Speaker 3: bit better feel for where the Oriols are on this,

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Speaker 3: and I'll try to relay that now. Obviously, Grayson Rodriguez,

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Speaker 3: even if he's healthy in twenty twenty six, is going

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Speaker 3: to be probably on some kind of innings limit. He's

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Speaker 3: not going to pitch one hundred and fifty innings in

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Speaker 3: this next season after all that he has been through.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't pitched since July thirty first, twenty twenty four in

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Speaker 3: the major leagues, so that's twenty twenty six. Then you ask, Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's fine, but what about the next three years? Because

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Speaker 3: he's under club control for all of them, and that

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Speaker 3: is where the Orioles are obviously showing a vote of

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Speaker 3: no confidence here in his ability to stay healthy long term.

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Speaker 3: And they feel that in getting Taylor Ward, a guy

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Speaker 3: who was a right handed bat and remember there's a

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Speaker 3: shortage of right handed hitting outfielders in this market, it's

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Speaker 3: severe shortage. Well, they're going to be better in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty six, and they're taking the gamble that Grayson Rodriguez

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Speaker 3: is not going to haunt them. Obviously it is a gamble,

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Speaker 3: and I can see both sides of it. But what

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Speaker 3: you guys were saying about giving up that long term

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Speaker 3: starting pitching asset, no team wants to do that. The

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Speaker 3: fact that the Orioles did it to me indicates that

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Speaker 3: they just feel that he is never going to be

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Speaker 3: the guy we all thought he's going to be. And now,

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Speaker 3: if you're Grays and Rodriguez, you want to prove them wrong.

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Speaker 4: One million, one million percent.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of proving people wrong, we were arguing the last

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Speaker 5: few days about qualifying offers.

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Speaker 4: Four guys, four guys. Ken.

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Speaker 5: Did the teams make mistakes when they put out these

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Speaker 5: qualifying offers or did they expect a lot of these

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Speaker 5: guys to say, yes, y'all, i'll take twenty two million, Ken,

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Speaker 5: I'll take your twenty two million you make aj When.

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Speaker 3: A team makes that decision to extend the qualifying offer,

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Speaker 3: they're taking a calculated gamble and they're saying, Okay, if

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Speaker 3: the guy accepts, we're good with that. With the team

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Speaker 3: doing that, with them making the qualifying offer, they have

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Speaker 3: to be good with the player taking it.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: The risk is the player does take it, and maybe

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Speaker 3: they don't have enough payroll to cover it, or if

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Speaker 3: they need the player or want the player, he leaves

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Speaker 3: and they get draft pick compensation and only that in return.

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Speaker 3: Each case is different. I wrote about them all last week,

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Speaker 3: and honestly, I was surprised by the starting pitchers Woodroof

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Speaker 3: and Imenaga more so than Grisham and Torres taking them,

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Speaker 3: because starting pitching seems to be at such a premium,

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Speaker 3: and you would think that those guys would command multi

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Speaker 3: year deals, and maybe they would have Woodroof and Imenaga.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they could have actually, but with the qualifying

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Speaker 3: offer number now at twenty two point zero two to

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Speaker 3: five million over twenty two million, it's awfully enticing for

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Speaker 3: all of these guys. And you guys touched on this earlier,

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Speaker 3: Scott did. Guys who are not elite, they're the guys

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Speaker 3: who get hammered by the qualifying offer because teams are

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Speaker 3: reluctant to sign them, give up the draft picks, extend

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Speaker 3: the multi year contract, all that. So in each case,

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Speaker 3: I understand where the player was coming from. Even with

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Speaker 3: the lockout looming after this season, they're taking the calculated

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Speaker 3: gamble of their own that we'll go back in the

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Speaker 3: market next year with no qualifying offer attached to us,

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Speaker 3: and regardless of the lockout doesn't deter necessarily what free

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Speaker 3: agency is going to be, and they'll take their chances again. Now,

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Speaker 3: Grisham is the one that is probably the most fascinating

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Speaker 3: of these acceptances. And I know Yankee fans all over

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Speaker 3: the place were screaming and yelling last night. This is

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Speaker 3: going to screw us up. Well, I'm sure fans in

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Speaker 3: other cities without the law jests of the Yankees, without

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Speaker 3: particular situation. The Yankees, too, knew that Trent Grisham might

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Speaker 3: take it. They knew he had one good year after

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Speaker 3: a kind of up and down career, and certainly the

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Speaker 3: possibility existed even in a thin market for outfielders where

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Speaker 3: he was probably the third best behind Tucker and Bellinger.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, they'll figure this out, and

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Speaker 3: they're gonna have to figure it out financially. But I

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Speaker 3: know hal Steinbernna talks about getting under three hundred million

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Speaker 3: all the time, and that's his goal, it seems. But

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Speaker 3: my gosh, they could absorb Trent Grisham, they can sign

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Speaker 3: Cody Bellinger, they can fix their starting pitching, add to

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Speaker 3: their bullpen. They can do all of that even with

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Speaker 3: Trent Grisham's signing. It's not like the Pittsburgh Pirates just

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Speaker 3: got stuck with twenty two million they don't want. And

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Speaker 3: the Brewers. One more thing to you, guys. We wrote

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Speaker 3: about this today Will Salmon and I. The assumption a

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Speaker 3: lot of people made after Driff accepted was that, uh oh,

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Speaker 3: Freddie Perolt is gone. In fact, when I tweeted the

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Speaker 3: news yesterday, the first response was bye bye Freddy. Not necessarily.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the way the Brewers are talking not that

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Speaker 3: way at all. We quoted in this story their owner

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Speaker 3: Mark Attanasio and their president of baseball Operations Matt Arnold,

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Speaker 3: as saying, these are different scenarios, independent of each other,

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Speaker 3: and we are excited about our rotation. If you're excited

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Speaker 3: about your rotation on the record, I doubt you'll be

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Speaker 3: breaking up that rotation anytime soon. Freddie Perolt is making

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Speaker 3: eight million, Corbyn Burns was making fifteen million. Much different scenario.

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Speaker 6: Does this change in the next CBA, Has the qualifying

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Speaker 6: offer gotten too big for its breitches because the all

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Speaker 6: the players are now taken and the owners are like,

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Speaker 6: wait a minute, this was an advantage to us. Does

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Speaker 6: this change and it gets completely wiped out?

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Speaker 3: You could, Aj, I mean Ieric, I'm sorry. Oh if

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Speaker 3: you miss, I apologize already. I am sorry Eric for

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Speaker 3: calling you by the wrong name. Sorry AJ calling Eric

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Speaker 3: by the wrong name. In the last CBA. If you guys, remember,

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Speaker 3: the qualifying offer was on the table in exchange for

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Speaker 3: an international draft. Now, given this next set of negotiations,

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what kind of offer is going

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Speaker 3: same time, it certainly will be something that is subject

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Speaker 3: that they will achieve that. I seriously doubt that they will,

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Speaker 3: but that would change things too if they achieved a

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Speaker 3: And now AJ, you can ask a question.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, thank you Ken.

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Speaker 5: By the way, Eric says, that's the biggest compliment he's

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Speaker 5: ever been giving his life. So thank you for making

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Speaker 5: Eric's life. Ken, that was really nice of you. But

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Speaker 5: what I want to know is you brought up the Pirates, okay,

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Speaker 5: and you said, oh, it's not like the pirates eating.

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Speaker 5: Did the Pirates really make an offer to Josh? I mean,

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Speaker 5: then the offer wasn't really close to what he ended

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Speaker 5: So like the Pirates like, oh, hey, guys, we got

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Speaker 5: to like seventy five to eighty million.

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Speaker 4: He signed for ninety two million.

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Speaker 5: Is this all just posturing by the Pirates to say, hey,

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Speaker 5: we're trying fans.

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Speaker 3: First off, I believe they made the offer because Jeff

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Speaker 3: Passen reported it, and I have no reason to believe

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Speaker 3: that the report was inaccurate. Now the motivations and the

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Speaker 3: being more aggressive with their payrolls, spending more this off season. Now,

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Speaker 3: it's one thing to say it, it's another thing to

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Speaker 3: looking for a bat. If you have a better alternative

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Speaker 3: They didn't do that according to Jeff Passens report with Naylor.

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Speaker 3: So it's nice that they're trying, but let's see them

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Speaker 3: start succeeding. And you know what, too, free agency is

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Speaker 3: one way to get players. There's another way to get

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Speaker 3: because free agency is going to be difficult for them.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, any free agent with a better option,

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Speaker 1: Okay, back for one bonus question. We got two minutes

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Speaker 1: here during the break, and let's just continue on the Pirates.

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Speaker 1: Can I mean Mark finesand from MLB wrote they might

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Speaker 1: up the payroll by forty to fifty mil. They were

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Speaker 1: So can we all just have a little laugh when

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Speaker 1: we see, you know, they have interest in someone like

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber, for example, Do we really think Kyle Schwarber

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Speaker 1: rest of the offseason.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: The only way Kyle Schwarber signs with them is if

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Speaker 3: they outbid everyone by I don't know, twenty thirty forty million,

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Speaker 3: do that. So I am interested to see what the

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Speaker 3: Pirates do. And when I wrote about them last week,

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Speaker 3: I said, believe it or not, these teams, the Pirates

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Speaker 3: and Marlins are talking about increasing payroll, and it's believe

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Speaker 3: it when you see it, like I said, So let's

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Speaker 3: see how this plays out before judging them, because I

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Speaker 3: do expect them to take on payroll. And now whether

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Speaker 3: it's encouraging these teams are doing that. What their motivations are,

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Speaker 1: Yep, I agree, and we will have it at some point.

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Speaker 1: We got a few months here in the off season. Ken,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: Spreading rumors, How about this one from Jeff Passon's ESPN article.

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Speaker 1: He put out his Big Notes column for the offseason,

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Speaker 2: To land Kyle Tucker. Wow, that's huge. He's a great

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Speaker 4: He's a great fit on a lot of teams, Scott,

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Speaker 1: I want him on a team where he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: worth a half a billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think he fits the mo of what we saw

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Speaker 1: that's what every team hopes to have. But isn't that

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Speaker 4: Tough at bats? Yep, grind out of bats.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker does that?

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Speaker 4: Boy? Do you think he's so valuable?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, many player, many teams want him. Aj many teams

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Speaker 5: Well, then if they get him, they lose bo right,

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Speaker 4: That's still not terrible.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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Speaker 5: Your outfield is pretty good with with our show, Springer,

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Speaker 5: they sign a reliever or two. It's pretty good, dude.

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Speaker 5: Blue Jays fans start Colin Rogers, Carl Rodgers, get a

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Speaker 1: You still also have, I mean, really Springer more on

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Speaker 1: concerned that Bo might not sign.

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Speaker 2: There the question is.

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Speaker 1: If you're going after Kyle Tucker, why aren't you trying

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Speaker 4: And they sign more valuable.

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Speaker 1: That's clearly what we're hearing here, because Kyle Tucker is

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Speaker 2: Correct, we all agree on that.

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Speaker 6: If you can, if you can trust that Andre Simenez

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Speaker 6: If you feel like that is that's where the value is.

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Speaker 6: they're one and the same. You can't look at it

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Speaker 6: And I have a hard time believing that they do it.

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Speaker 6: There isn't anybody in that lineup that should take time

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Speaker 4: Sometimes people maybe just want to try it out for you.

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Speaker 1: No, not not when he's waited to get to this

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Speaker 2: You don't know.

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Speaker 2: You came up with a great reason, and you're right.

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Speaker 2: I apologize for yelling at you.

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Speaker 1: Other potential landing spots, AJ tell me if you think

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Speaker 4: The kid, We're not playing in big boy land like that.

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Speaker 1: And I actually think they should spend their money on

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