Speaker 1: Welcome to it could happen here the podcast that's increasingly
Speaker 1: about things that are actually kind of already happening of
Speaker 1: and today it's gonna be it's gonna be one of those.
Speaker 1: And we're talking about in the kind of the uptick
Speaker 1: in rhetoric around queer exterminationism that's happened. Most of the
Speaker 1: stuff is what this is discussions and legislative proposal and
Speaker 1: rhetoric that was really kicked off last month during Pride months,
Speaker 1: specifically because of the Rovy Wade ruling that really opened
Speaker 1: the door on a few not good possibilities. Um. But
Speaker 1: because we're gonna be talking about some more grim stuff today,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna open with something slightly more funny. UM.
Speaker 1: And that's a friend of the pod, Dr Jordan B. Peterson. UM.
Speaker 1: Now with with me today is it's Chris and James Greetings.
Speaker 1: So Peterson he got he got really mad at Elliott Page.
Speaker 1: Um and now does not really have a Twitter account.
Speaker 1: And it's pretty funny. Uh. And a few days after
Speaker 1: he was banned for continuing to miss gender Elliott Page,
Speaker 1: he released a video that can only be described as
Speaker 1: a super villain monologue. UM as as a part of
Speaker 1: his new partnership with Daily Wire Plus, the hit new
Speaker 1: streaming service. Um and just because I think it's funny,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna We're just gonna play a few clips
Speaker 1: of of this of this evil super villain monologue because
Speaker 1: it's really funny, and then it'll circle back to kind
Speaker 1: of our topic towards the end. So Ah speaking speaking
Speaker 1: a friend of the pod, Peterson, here's here's our here's
Speaker 1: our one of the clips. That's you've probably already heard
Speaker 1: if you're if you're terminally online, but it's incredible funny.
Speaker 1: If I'm required to acknowledge that my tweet violated the
Speaker 1: Twitter rules, what rules? You sons of bitches? Good old,
Speaker 1: good old Peter said. You know the thing, I've always
Speaker 1: been sort of like that clip in particular, It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was trying, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I could emulate just the it's sounding like you've
Speaker 1: edited together sixteen clips. If you my tweet violated the
Speaker 1: Twitter rules, it's like it's his speech pattern is so bizarre.
Speaker 1: And also like in the in the video was like
Speaker 1: nine minutes long. Like Proceding that line, he explained what
Speaker 1: rule he broke around miss gendering and harassment. So like
Speaker 1: he explained the exact rule. Ah, but we always get more,
Speaker 1: Peter said, if you ask for it, up yours woke moralists,
Speaker 1: we'll see who cancels who like extremely funny. He's actually
Speaker 1: sneering as well. If you watch the video, like, yeah
Speaker 1: he is, he's he's going all in on the bit.
Speaker 1: He's doing like Ozzy Mandius but hammed up. It's it's
Speaker 1: frankly impressive. This is this one's also also a decent one.
Speaker 1: I am employing this awkward and impossible naming style because
Speaker 1: it is now apparently mandatory and and probably doing it wrong. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: as you're doing it wrong is the whole point of
Speaker 1: what has been made mandatory. But also I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make a point. I've essentially been banned from Twitter as
Speaker 1: a consequence. I say banned, although technically I have been suspended,
Speaker 1: but the suspension will not be lifted unless I delete
Speaker 1: the hateful tweet in question, and I would rather die
Speaker 1: than do that. That means that you have a healthy
Speaker 1: relationship to the platform of Twitter. Um. There's also this
Speaker 1: this great clip of him talking about like I'm actually happy,
Speaker 1: how my Twitter account is gone. Now Twitter is insignificant
Speaker 1: in the final analysis, and you're like, what the fund
Speaker 1: does that mean? What? What fun What final analysis are
Speaker 1: you talking about? What do you what do you mean?
Speaker 1: The final analysis analysis of what? Like? What is? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty funny. There's there's two more clips from
Speaker 1: this rent that I want to do, which kind of
Speaker 1: are going to get more to the heart of our
Speaker 1: issue today. Um, they're they're not great. They actually are
Speaker 1: kind of they kind of suck. So, without further ado,
Speaker 1: here's their good doctor friend. And finally, with regard to
Speaker 1: the final phrase criminal physician, I must say that I've
Speaker 1: had some post coital, so to speak, regrets about that phrase.
Speaker 1: It is clearly the case that the surgical operation performed
Speaker 1: by the butchers who butchered Elliott slash Ellen was legal,
Speaker 1: So was it criminal or not? Were the operations undertaken
Speaker 1: by the fascist physicians who carried out the Nazi medical
Speaker 1: experiments legal Yes, under the laws of the time, But
Speaker 1: were they criminal? I'll leave that question up to you
Speaker 1: to answer. So that's pretty gross for a lot of reasons. Um. One,
Speaker 1: the kind of historical context of using nazis too compare
Speaker 1: to your own transphobia is a little dicey when you
Speaker 1: consider how with the Nazis did to trans people into
Speaker 1: like queer books, Like, yeah, he's advocating for the Nazi
Speaker 1: position here. Yeah. Yeah. There's been so many bands on
Speaker 1: queer books this Like just in the past two years, Uh,
Speaker 1: the Library Association tracked almost six books that were challenged,
Speaker 1: in the highest number since the organization began tracking book
Speaker 1: bands in the past twenty years. So talk talking about
Speaker 1: like the Nazi scientists, they're like you like you have
Speaker 1: is his his historical context of obviously is incredibly lacking,
Speaker 1: or he's just or he's just a grifter. I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: he's just kind of I think he's just kind of
Speaker 1: lost it. I think I don't even think he's fully
Speaker 1: a grifter. I think he's just kind of not understanding
Speaker 1: what's going on anymore. Of because you can watch like
Speaker 1: interviews and stuff where people can try to use reasoning
Speaker 1: and logic with him, and you can watch his brain
Speaker 1: start to process it. But it's just like otherwise, he
Speaker 1: just doesn't think in any sort of logical manner, put
Speaker 1: his words or his like stream of consciousness into any
Speaker 1: historical context. He just says what he wants, and he's
Speaker 1: used to people just taking that as a fact. Um,
Speaker 1: he's used to like regurgitating bad Joseph Campbell and people
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, you sound smart, would know he's
Speaker 1: actually not he's um, but man, it's it's yeah. The
Speaker 1: whole Germany Nazi scientist experimentation thing is incredibly incredibly frustrating. Um.
Speaker 1: I I don't even know what else to like say
Speaker 1: about a say about that, because I mean even that
Speaker 1: that line, you can focus on it for a while,
Speaker 1: like compare how like the history of medical documentation of
Speaker 1: like transnis and the Nazis. How that's like such a
Speaker 1: big thing is that the Nazis destroyed so much medical
Speaker 1: research on gender transitions, losing like like decades and decades
Speaker 1: of research that we're only now starting to regain incredib
Speaker 1: cred of the grass. But there's this one one, one
Speaker 1: last one last clip. I wanted to play of of
Speaker 1: of our of our good doctor and are we degenerate,
Speaker 1: you know, profoundly threatening manner. I think the answer to
Speaker 1: that may well be yes. So that's not great. He
Speaker 1: really is just advocating for the Natty position every turn,
Speaker 1: Like yes, he's just continuing to advocate for fascistic reasoning
Speaker 1: of fascistic views of decadence and degeneracy insomuch as it
Speaker 1: is a threat to civilization and a threat to Western society.
Speaker 1: And then he goes on in this clip to justify
Speaker 1: Russia's invasion of Ukraine because the US is helping Ukraine,
Speaker 1: which makes Ukraine degenerate by proxy, So Russia is doing
Speaker 1: a war on degeneracy. And that's like, that's his arguments, Like,
Speaker 1: that's his level of logical reacting. Yeah, which which is
Speaker 1: funny because it's like if you ever heard any of
Speaker 1: the like ready, because every once in a while, there
Speaker 1: will be video clips of just like Ukrainian Russian soldiers
Speaker 1: yelling at each other and it's just both of them
Speaker 1: calling each other gay over and over again. It's just like,
Speaker 1: really like this bring back that level of discourse to America. Well, Um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and then we will
Speaker 1: come back to talk about our other really close friend
Speaker 1: of the pod, Matthew Walsh, So stay stay tuned for that. God, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have I have one question for everyone here. Um
Speaker 1: what what how? How? Woman? What? What is what is
Speaker 1: that featherless, biped Okay, the whole a woman. So when
Speaker 1: we're talking about Matt Walsh, U obviously last month he
Speaker 1: released uh, a pretty poorly made transphobic documentary that was
Speaker 1: jacsically just a clipse of him getting owned by like
Speaker 1: actual doctors for not understanding like basic ontology and medical reasoning. Um.
Speaker 1: The documentary was just uh. Other friend of the pol
Speaker 1: JK Rolling just expressed support for the documentary. So if
Speaker 1: that's if that's on an indicator that like turfism is
Speaker 1: just like a direct preamble to open fascism, I don't
Speaker 1: know what is because I mean Matt Matt Walsh jokingly
Speaker 1: describes himself as a fascist, but that's because his his
Speaker 1: beliefs actually are fascistic. Like he said, it's one of
Speaker 1: those jokes that only is funny because everyone agrees on
Speaker 1: the central premise, like it's it's that, it's that it's
Speaker 1: that type of humor. Um. So like J. K. Rowling
Speaker 1: just endorsing an open fascist. So I'm not going to
Speaker 1: talk about the documentary in depth here because it's not
Speaker 1: that good and it doesn't really make any points that
Speaker 1: need to be refuted. It it talks about how like
Speaker 1: It talks about how how puberty blockers are um sterilization
Speaker 1: uh drugs, which is not the case long term when
Speaker 1: you're on them, Yes, you cannot. You cannot do that
Speaker 1: because it's obviously inhibiting your your hormones. But once you
Speaker 1: go off puberty blockers, you can procreate again, which which
Speaker 1: also I just want to take a second here to
Speaker 1: look at this position, which is that, Okay, so puberty
Speaker 1: blockers are sterilization things, right, I like, okay, so this
Speaker 1: is their arguments and sterilization, right, Who are you giving
Speaker 1: puberty blockers to children? Why the fuck do you care
Speaker 1: like children? It's like wait, I mean they arguing it's
Speaker 1: like that, but it'll make them, It'll make them permanently sterilized,
Speaker 1: Like like you're castrating these kids by giving them pumanity blockers,
Speaker 1: which no, that's not how that works. You're you're just
Speaker 1: arguing in bad faith. It doesn't matter. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about documentary in length because it's
Speaker 1: not interesting enough to talk about. But was this a documentary?
Speaker 1: Real quick? Is this the one where he like goes
Speaker 1: to like quote unquote the country of Africa and asks people, yeah,
Speaker 1: and poor translates extremely racist. Yeah, great to see J
Speaker 1: K Rowling, like known non racist lining up. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: behind these essentialist tropes of afric creator, the creator of
Speaker 1: Kingsley shackle Bolt. Check. Yeah, just the most cringe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what we call a rich white woman moment um. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, So but we are to talk about some
Speaker 1: other things Matt Walt has been doing, specifically how he
Speaker 1: has increased exterminationist rhetoric into his discussions around trans people.
Speaker 1: So we're an open talking about de transitioners. So the
Speaker 1: vast majority of real de transitions, which are very rare, like,
Speaker 1: there's very few of them, especially considering there's already very
Speaker 1: few numbers of trans people, but like something, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's very very few. Um but the vast majority
Speaker 1: of people who do make the choice to de transition
Speaker 1: are usually due to experiencing aggressive transphobia. Um. And and
Speaker 1: the idea of the de transition or has been inflated
Speaker 1: and used as a straw man to attack the trans
Speaker 1: community just by and large, with with many documented cases
Speaker 1: of turfs or far right activists creating like fake stalk
Speaker 1: pop accounts pretending to be de transitioners to write horrifying
Speaker 1: but fictional stories that that that happens a lot. There's
Speaker 1: a really famous case on Reddit of an alleged de
Speaker 1: transitioner who has found out to just be like an
Speaker 1: alt right troll um. And this all really sucks because
Speaker 1: the people who do de transition because they realize it's
Speaker 1: just not for them, are generally pretty rad people who
Speaker 1: continue to be very much pro trans because they do
Speaker 1: understand the fluid nature of gender and gender expression through
Speaker 1: this entire process. Like but and anyways, when quote tweeting
Speaker 1: an alleged detransition or expressing regret of medical decisions that
Speaker 1: they made, Matt Walsh said this quote, we can't just
Speaker 1: oppose the transition of children. Yes, that's particularly evil, but
Speaker 1: it's also evil to do it to anyone of any age.
Speaker 1: This young woman was nineteen, a legal adult when she
Speaker 1: was mutilated. Does that make it okay? Obviously not. Put
Speaker 1: it another way, it should be illegal for doctors to
Speaker 1: do this to anyone of any age. It should be
Speaker 1: illegal for anyone of any age to transition, period. So
Speaker 1: this demonstrates the jump from no one's like that that
Speaker 1: the rhetoric of no one should transition until they're an
Speaker 1: adult to no one should be alloged to transition at all,
Speaker 1: and came just as quickly as the trans community was
Speaker 1: telling you it would. This this jump is not a
Speaker 1: big one. It is very easy to say no no
Speaker 1: hormones until you're eighteen to saying no no hormones at all, um.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what we're entering into. Walsh's rhetoric is
Speaker 1: increasingly exterminationist, um and eliminationist, just saying that, like his
Speaker 1: all of his preferred policies would result in the total
Speaker 1: prohibition of trans identity and the criminalization of any gender
Speaker 1: firm in care. Um. These people are fundamentally opposed to
Speaker 1: having any agency of your own body, whether that's hormones,
Speaker 1: whether that's aborsheit, right, Like, all of these people get
Speaker 1: mad just when they see someone with colored hair, Like
Speaker 1: they don't like someone's ability to have bodily autonomy. That's there,
Speaker 1: that's one of their core politics. And you see this
Speaker 1: a lot, especially when it comes to like trans men,
Speaker 1: because there's this notion that there that their bodies exist
Speaker 1: in service of CIS straight men, right, and anything that
Speaker 1: gets in the way of that is an attack on
Speaker 1: CIS men in general. And all a patriarchal society. It's
Speaker 1: like very very very much like regular misogyny, but with
Speaker 1: an added bonus of transphobia. Conservative activist Christopher Ruffo made
Speaker 1: a tweet a few days ago with a picture of
Speaker 1: Elliott Page pre transition, with the caption that says, this
Speaker 1: is what they took from you, right, it's it's like
Speaker 1: this notion that their bodies belong to you assists man,
Speaker 1: and by them choosing to change their bodies as they
Speaker 1: see fit, that's an attack on their body's access to you. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's, it's it's it redes a whole bunch of misogyny,
Speaker 1: does it does a whole bunch of really bad transphobia. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a really gross package, but it it it hits
Speaker 1: on a lot of points of like this type of
Speaker 1: patriarchal conservative brain. And I think this, this this even
Speaker 1: carries out until like hatred of trans women as you know,
Speaker 1: as trans women are seen as predators, so they hate
Speaker 1: trans women to protect siss women, right, like you see,
Speaker 1: it's all of this like possession, right it's it's it's
Speaker 1: this possession of the body of a female, so you
Speaker 1: need to protect it against the creepy trans women, right,
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's all of this idea of like
Speaker 1: owning women's bodies is central to a lot of these
Speaker 1: ideas of transphobia. So we're gonna see a lot more
Speaker 1: stuff about how it's going to change from no hormones,
Speaker 1: no transition until you're eighteen, to no hormones, no transition
Speaker 1: until you're twenty five, to no hormones, and no transition
Speaker 1: at all. This past year, we've seen many proposed felony
Speaker 1: healthcare bands for trans youth. Um said bills have passed
Speaker 1: in multiple states like Alabama, which means that it's going
Speaker 1: to forcibly de transition teens across the state. In Missouri,
Speaker 1: there's a similar bill in the works titled the Save
Speaker 1: Adolescence from Experimentation Act UM, which currently applies to individuals
Speaker 1: younger than eight teen, but Missouri physicians and healthcare providers
Speaker 1: under the bill would be prevented from recommending gender firming
Speaker 1: care to patients who are under eighteen, and there's already
Speaker 1: been discussion in legislative sessions to extend the bill past
Speaker 1: the age of eighteen. While debating the bill, seeking to
Speaker 1: restrict access to gender firm and care. Some lawmakers suggested
Speaker 1: that the medical interventions like hormones be withheld from transgender
Speaker 1: and non barinary individuals until they're twenty five years old,
Speaker 1: and during a public hearing for the House Bill to
Speaker 1: six nine, a psychologist, Lorie Hayes testified that she believes
Speaker 1: in adults under the age of twenty five are unable
Speaker 1: to fully comprehend the traumatic and drastic and irreparable quote
Speaker 1: unquote changes to their bodies that will they will undergo
Speaker 1: if they receive gender affirming medical treatments like purity blockers
Speaker 1: and hormone therapies. Also, while testifying, Hayes, Uh, the psychologist
Speaker 1: said that she supported conversion therapy. So that's surprising too, nobody, Uh,
Speaker 1: or it shouldn't be. It also takes those people to
Speaker 1: the point where they're not necessarily eligible for their parents healthcare, right, So,
Speaker 1: like I think twenty six is the time when you
Speaker 1: can do your you age out. Yeah, so it's it's
Speaker 1: again like it's a backdoor like prohibition on transitioning for
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Yeah, yes, it's it's just trying
Speaker 1: to stop it at all. It's you can't you can't
Speaker 1: take their word for it. They just they just don't
Speaker 1: want you around. That's it. Like they want you to
Speaker 1: to kill yourself they or they want you just to
Speaker 1: go away or not be tread like that's that's that's
Speaker 1: what they want. It's obviously I'm going to do a
Speaker 1: few just Journal of American Medical Associations found the gender
Speaker 1: affirming healthcare include including puberty blockers and hormones between the
Speaker 1: ages of thirteen and twenty, was associated with lower odds
Speaker 1: of moderate or severe depression and sevent lower odds of suicidality.
Speaker 1: Now they study published last year by the Trevor Project
Speaker 1: found that among transgender non binary miners, hormone therapy associated
Speaker 1: with nearly lower odds of recent depression and suicide attempts.
Speaker 1: So they just want to ban the things that make
Speaker 1: you more likely to live, right, They just don't want
Speaker 1: you around. That's the actual message. So back back to
Speaker 1: just kind of speaking of just not wanting you around.
Speaker 1: Um that we're gonna do some updates on Protect Texas Kids.
Speaker 1: The extremely open, extremely transphobic, openly Christian Fascists that their
Speaker 1: words not mine group based in Texas who organized a
Speaker 1: lot of events to harass either drag shows or harass
Speaker 1: Pride events last month. It's leader Kelly Needered. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna say it, Um tweeted a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Quote let's start rounding up people who participate
Speaker 1: in Pride events. Ha. I wonder what she means by that.
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder what. I wonder what that means.
Speaker 1: Surely doesn't mean she just wants to kill all gay people.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, it does, okay, um. And another tweet from
Speaker 1: the main Protect Texas Kids account was today's protest went well.
Speaker 1: No children seemed to be in the dreg show, but
Speaker 1: there were a bunch of adults wearing mouse ears and
Speaker 1: watching the men dressed up as Disney princesses dance around.
Speaker 1: Totally normal and not weird. Right, So it's obviously not
Speaker 1: about protecting kids, right, Like, it's they that's not the focus.
Speaker 1: That's not even that's not the focus of their tweet.
Speaker 1: That's not the focus of what they want, right, Protecting
Speaker 1: kids quote unquote is a cheap excuse just to want
Speaker 1: to hate gay people and want gay people to go away.
Speaker 1: That's that's all. That's all it is. We've been like,
Speaker 1: it's we're kind of retrunning the same ground here. But man,
Speaker 1: it's it's so. It is still frustrating how many people
Speaker 1: like fall for the bit it's not. It's not not
Speaker 1: about protecting kids, not about saving kids from groomers. You
Speaker 1: can look at all of the sexual abuse in Evangelical churches,
Speaker 1: Catholic churches, it's Christian summer camps, whatever, it's not it's
Speaker 1: not about protecting kids. They don't give a single fuck.
Speaker 1: It's about wanting gay people to go away. Now. Both
Speaker 1: Kelly Needers and protect Texas Kids accounts which they used
Speaker 1: to organize their Christian fascist events. Both of those got
Speaker 1: banned in mid June. Kelly has got banned for saying,
Speaker 1: let's start rounding up people who participate in Pride events.
Speaker 1: But this, this extends beyond Texas, extends beyond Twitter dot com. Right,
Speaker 1: Obviously these people were just using Twitter to organize, so
Speaker 1: it are already stended out into the real world. But
Speaker 1: it's not, it's it's not. It's not just Texas either.
Speaker 1: See I think it's A congressional candidate Mark Burns, who
Speaker 1: is a pro Trump pastor, was running for South Carolina
Speaker 1: House district. He called for the execution of LGBTQ and
Speaker 1: transpeople by using grooming rhetoric, and then he laid out
Speaker 1: exactly how executions could legally be done. So this type
Speaker 1: of like state enforced the genocide. Let's let's play this.
Speaker 1: Let's play a clip. The LGBT transgender grooming our children's
Speaker 1: minds is a national security threat because it is ultimately
Speaker 1: designed to destabilize the republic we called the United States
Speaker 1: of America. That's why when I'm elected, I don't want
Speaker 1: to just vote. I want to start holding people accountable
Speaker 1: for treason to the Constitution. I am going to push
Speaker 1: to reenact WHOAC. WHOAC is the House of an American
Speaker 1: Activities Committee. It was a real committee that was formulated
Speaker 1: back in the fifties, and it's a committee that we
Speaker 1: should re enact that starts holding these people accountable for treason.
Speaker 1: You need to hold people for treason, start having some
Speaker 1: public hearings, and start executing people who are found guilty
Speaker 1: for their treasonous acts against the Constitution of the United
Speaker 1: States of America, just like they did back in seven
Speaker 1: Ta SI. You know what, South Carolina, this is our guy.
Speaker 1: That was an amazing the way he misspoke and called
Speaker 1: it the House of an American activities. It's like a
Speaker 1: fun place. So that's not ideal, is it? Of that
Speaker 1: kind of sucks. Yeah, that was really out there. He's
Speaker 1: yeah side advocating. It's just it's just it's mainstream. It's
Speaker 1: trying they're trying to mainstream the political ability to advocate genocide, right,
Speaker 1: and some of them, it's not some of them, it's
Speaker 1: not fully catching on yet. Right, it's we're on the
Speaker 1: on ramp to this um. The South Carolina pastor was
Speaker 1: defeated by the incumbent Representative William Timmins in the GOP
Speaker 1: primary for the state's fourth congressional district, but Pastor Mark
Speaker 1: Burne's still received of the vote, So that's still a
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's still a lot of people voting
Speaker 1: for that, and that number, I don't think it's gonna shrink. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like and it's also it's also worth doing that,
Speaker 1: like everyone loses him, Like it is so unbelievably hard
Speaker 1: to beat the incumbents in primary. Like it's just it's yeah,
Speaker 1: so like like even even if he was just a
Speaker 1: normal guy with like regular politics, you would have lost
Speaker 1: the election. So still, yes, it's not actually a referendum
Speaker 1: on his popularity, like the popularity of what you're saying,
Speaker 1: it's of the vote. Yeah, it's worth noting that. Like
Speaker 1: even here in southern California, right where it's supposedly like
Speaker 1: very liberal, we had a candidate for sheriff's office who
Speaker 1: is that was a deputy city attorney and was endorsed
Speaker 1: by the Union Tribune just openly spewing like transphobic groom
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, public meetings and getting endorsed by the
Speaker 1: local newspaper. They was rescinded their endorsement later. But this
Speaker 1: isn't just like a red eight thing. If people think
Speaker 1: that that is that No, that's obviously that'd be a
Speaker 1: lot more common the people who run for sheriff, who
Speaker 1: generally tend to be more conservative because they're running for sheriff. Um. True.
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's let's have an add break and
Speaker 1: then we'll come back to talk about Wait, talk about
Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade and the attack on future rights, including
Speaker 1: the ability to have same sex relationships. Oh wow, what
Speaker 1: a fun time we have today. All right, we are
Speaker 1: we are back. So after the Supreme Court overturned to
Speaker 1: rov Wade last month, there was an immediate push for
Speaker 1: anti gain, anti trans legal challenges using the same legal
Speaker 1: logic against the right to privacy based off of the
Speaker 1: the traditions deeply rooted in our nation's history quote unquote,
Speaker 1: So this was like undoubtedly gonna happen, right, We've been
Speaker 1: We've been proposing that this was a possibility for a while,
Speaker 1: but it was definitely made worse by Justice Clarence Thomas,
Speaker 1: front of the POD, who argued in a concurring opinion
Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court should quote reconsider its past rulings
Speaker 1: codifying rights such as the right to use contraception, the
Speaker 1: right to have a same sex relationship, and same sex marriage.
Speaker 1: Invoking Griswold, Lawrence and Oberfeld, three cases having to do
Speaker 1: with americans fundamental right to privacy, due process, and equal protection,
Speaker 1: Thomas wrote, quote, we have a duty to correct the
Speaker 1: error regarding these established in those precedents, which pretty grim,
Speaker 1: pretty grim framing there, because that's a bad sign um,
Speaker 1: and we are already seeing stuff like this in effect.
Speaker 1: Actually we don't need to wait for the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: to make rulings. States that are starting to do this
Speaker 1: exact thing um In an ongoing Alabama lawsuit that's sites
Speaker 1: dabs over turning Roe v Wade about medically detransitioning all
Speaker 1: trans teenagers. There is this deeply threatening turn of phrase quote,
Speaker 1: no one adult or child has the right to transitioning
Speaker 1: treatments not deeply rooted in our nation's history and tradition.
Speaker 1: Ha ha, interesting how they put adult or child there
Speaker 1: isn't that isn't that intriguing? And it's also fun how
Speaker 1: the deeply red our nation's history thing is now just
Speaker 1: sort of like here here is the word that you
Speaker 1: say to let you do fascism, And it's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: do you know what? It is deeply rooted in our
Speaker 1: in our nation's uh traditional history, shooting congressman. This is
Speaker 1: the thing that has been done many times, Like I
Speaker 1: mean again, like like this it's like this is this
Speaker 1: is the whole like this whole thing. It's just like
Speaker 1: it's it's so the whole thing is it's so incredibly
Speaker 1: sort of nakedly transparent and cynical and like this is
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a centerd fascist thing. Right. We're
Speaker 1: like we're going to create some sort of mythical past
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna like resurrect whatever fucking things existed
Speaker 1: back then. It's like, oh, hey, what actually existed back then?
Speaker 1: I don't know. People try to kill the government all
Speaker 1: the time. They're really they're really playing from like the
Speaker 1: lower key s T traditionalist framework here. Um, they're they're
Speaker 1: doing all the bits we thought they would do. It's
Speaker 1: not great. Uh. Late last month, during the end of Pride,
Speaker 1: Texas Republican Party unveiled its updated official position on lgbt
Speaker 1: Q issues, defining homosexuality as quote an abnormal lifestyle choice unquote,
Speaker 1: and also opposing quote all efforts to validate transgender identity.
Speaker 1: The party's new official stance on lgbt Q issues wasn't
Speaker 1: veiled during Pride month, and as advocates fight against record
Speaker 1: number of anti lgbt Q bills introduced in states across
Speaker 1: the country this year, more than three hundred and forty bills,
Speaker 1: according to the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest lgbt
Speaker 1: Q advocacy group on the legal front. Thousands of Republican
Speaker 1: activists met at the party's biennial convention in Houston in
Speaker 1: mid June to agree to the party's platform on a
Speaker 1: range of issues, including the rejection of the election results
Speaker 1: and a call to a repeal the nineteen Voting Rights Act,
Speaker 1: which was an acted to prevent discrimination against black voters. Ah,
Speaker 1: this is I would say this is a mask off moment,
Speaker 1: but they've never had the mask on in the first
Speaker 1: People like, that's that's like that that's specific one. That
Speaker 1: is a thing, like like half of the Republican Party's
Speaker 1: platform has been people suing about the Voting Rights Act
Speaker 1: exact exactly. It's not actually a mask off, it's just
Speaker 1: that they're doing it louder than they were doing it before.
Speaker 1: The section titled Homosexuality and Gender Issues UM had the
Speaker 1: party stating that LGBTQ people should have no legal protection
Speaker 1: from discrimination and in fact suggested intent to ensure people's
Speaker 1: ability to do hate speech and hate crimes. Part of
Speaker 1: the forty page resolution reads, quote, homosexuality is an abnormal
Speaker 1: lifestyle choice. We believe there should be no granting of
Speaker 1: special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior,
Speaker 1: regardless of state of origin. And we oppose any criminal
Speaker 1: or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction,
Speaker 1: or belief in traditional values. Ham I just I just
Speaker 1: want to put it on the record here that like
Speaker 1: the number of a number of my friends who have
Speaker 1: been attacked like in the last three months. Is it's
Speaker 1: a lot. I got, I got called, I got, I
Speaker 1: got called a faggot for the first time in the
Speaker 1: Straits of Portland a few months ago. It's it's it's, it's,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's accelerating, it's it's going, it's it's it's going. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, specifically, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: this the last part of that resolution there about you know,
Speaker 1: opposing any civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out
Speaker 1: of faith. I think that's that's probably definite, referencing Steadfast
Speaker 1: Baptist Church, the church that just opens that openly advocates
Speaker 1: the genocide of queer people, which we've talked about in
Speaker 1: our in our last City of Hate episode. I think
Speaker 1: I think they're also trying to go back to like
Speaker 1: the whole like cake bullshit thing. Oh yeah, obviously stuff
Speaker 1: like that. It's like, it's we, honestly, we are so
Speaker 1: past the cake problem now because now they just want
Speaker 1: to they just wanted to like mass, they just want
Speaker 1: to do mass. Gend a side like I'm so over cakes.
Speaker 1: Like and in the trend of increasing the age barrier,
Speaker 1: of gender affirming healthcare into adulthood. The Texas Republicans called
Speaker 1: for the ban of gender affirming healthcare, including the distribution
Speaker 1: of huberty blockers or hormones supressing therapies and the h
Speaker 1: and the performance of gender affirming surgeries to anyone under
Speaker 1: the age of twenty one. So that is the new
Speaker 1: Texas Republican official position is that these things should be banned,
Speaker 1: uh for under the edge of twenty one. And that's
Speaker 1: not a that's not a hard cap. They're gonna keep
Speaker 1: raising that cap as often as they can. And as proof,
Speaker 1: I will offer up the past thirty five minutes an episode,
Speaker 1: like everything we've said in the past thirty five minutes
Speaker 1: is supporting the opinion that that cap they wanted to
Speaker 1: go up. Yeah. Usual. They also simultaneously advocate for like
Speaker 1: heterosexual relationship age of consent to just dromp oh yeah,
Speaker 1: twelve years old. Yeah um. Speaking of speaking of Texas.
Speaker 1: Near the end of June, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton,
Speaker 1: who sent us office home in the celebration of the
Speaker 1: overturning of Roe v. Wade, said that he will defend
Speaker 1: Texas anti sodomy law. It's a Supreme Court re visits
Speaker 1: Lawrence view Texas. I'm gonna play extremely frustrating clip here.
Speaker 1: Here's a fun time. I'm sure you read uh Justice
Speaker 1: Thomas's concurrence where he said that there were a number
Speaker 1: of other of these issues Grizzwald, uh Lawrence and Ogofell
Speaker 1: that he felt needs to be looked at again. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Lawrence case came from Texas, that was what outlawed sodomy.
Speaker 1: Would you, as attorney general be comfortable defending a law
Speaker 1: that once again outlawed sodomy that questioned Lawrence again, or
Speaker 1: Griswold or gay marriage that came from the state legislature
Speaker 1: to to put to the test with Justice Thomas said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's all kinds of issues here, but certainly
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has stepped into issues that I don't
Speaker 1: think there was any constitutional provision dealing with. They were
Speaker 1: legislative issues, and this is one of those issues, and
Speaker 1: there may be more. So it would depend on the
Speaker 1: issue and depending on what state law has says at
Speaker 1: the time, And just just for the sake of time here,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't rule out that if the state legislature passed
Speaker 1: the exact same law that that lawrence overturned on sodomy.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have any problem then defending that and take
Speaker 1: in that case back to the Supreme Court. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 1: my job is a defense fate law and I'll continue
Speaker 1: to do that. That is my job out of the Constitution,
Speaker 1: and I'm so First of all, in this clip of
Speaker 1: Ken Paxton, he looks like a zombie. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with his face, but his eye keeps
Speaker 1: twitching in a way that looks really uncaddy. He looks
Speaker 1: like he like, look at look at this man's face.
Speaker 1: Look at what is going on. That's an unfortunate pause. No,
Speaker 1: he looks aget in motion too. It's not a unfortunate plause.
Speaker 1: He just looks. There is something going wrong with Ken Paxton.
Speaker 1: We need to to the bottom of this. But also
Speaker 1: all of that stuff about make enforcing laws against uh
Speaker 1: sodom me, making gay sex illegal. They don't want gay
Speaker 1: people to fuck, is what they're actually saying. Um. And
Speaker 1: if you do, they want to send you to jail. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's something that can fact and what's what's to do? Um?
Speaker 1: Wrapped in very flowery language about defending the laws on
Speaker 1: record that laws that you are enforcing. Therefore you're making
Speaker 1: the laws in effect. Um ha. So one one aspect
Speaker 1: of this that I want to touch on again before
Speaker 1: we close out in our in Our City of Hate
Speaker 1: episodes about the Christian fascists in Dallas attacking drag shows
Speaker 1: and Steadfast Baptist Church, and even then some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that we've gone over in this episode. Right, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about like government approved extermination um,
Speaker 1: whether that be like for treason, for un American acts,
Speaker 1: executions based off Biblical law, rounding up people for degenerate
Speaker 1: or deviant behavior, arresting doctors for performing gender affirming surgeries.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of like talk around like the
Speaker 1: government's ability to legally genocide people. Um. But the other
Speaker 1: aspect of this is like the vigilante justice ankle of
Speaker 1: people wanting to just do physical violence themselves. And there's
Speaker 1: a way that these two things can intersect in a
Speaker 1: really interesting way. I'm gonna play one one last clip here.
Speaker 1: You know some teachers pushing sex values on your third grader.
Speaker 1: Why aren't you going to thrash the teacher talk to
Speaker 1: an orongal person's kids about sex in kindergarten, you get
Speaker 1: beaten up, you should be beating up. Please. If I
Speaker 1: was a parent and my fifth grade daughter had had
Speaker 1: to sleep and shower in some kind of cabin at
Speaker 1: some summer camp that I paid money to send my
Speaker 1: child to, and there was a man calling himself a
Speaker 1: woman sleeping in her cabin, my husband would have beat
Speaker 1: him into the ground. Where are the men actually standing
Speaker 1: up against these men who think they are women that
Speaker 1: are trying to compete in these females. Sports shouldn't put
Speaker 1: up with it anymore. You need to intervene. You need
Speaker 1: to show up to the sporting a man like this
Speaker 1: is not happening. Actually, there is almost nothing that can
Speaker 1: be done. Uh that is uh, that is over the
Speaker 1: line to stop that. It's disgusting. There was a time
Speaker 1: in this country of just a little more decency where
Speaker 1: if someone even voiced the idea of taking your kid
Speaker 1: to a drag show to be arrested. They are underqualified
Speaker 1: to have children. They should have their children taken away
Speaker 1: from them because it's child abuse. So that's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff, but rent you know, it fluctuates between talking
Speaker 1: about people taking this into their own hands in a
Speaker 1: very like obviously like misogynistic and transphobic way. Again, it's
Speaker 1: about like the access to you know, protecting access to
Speaker 1: the feminine body. Um. And then a lot of other
Speaker 1: stuff around you know, the government arrested people and such. Right,
Speaker 1: it's about it. It's a mix between like doing stuffy yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, in a form of like the vigilante is
Speaker 1: um um or you know, eventually advocating for the for
Speaker 1: the government's ability to do this. Now, we we've covered
Speaker 1: a number of incidents of like a violence or of
Speaker 1: things that that were escalating to the point of that
Speaker 1: right before it stopped. UM. Across you know, the Dallas area,
Speaker 1: we talked about stuff in Boise, Idaho with Patriot Front.
Speaker 1: We talked about the Proud Boys who stormed the library
Speaker 1: outside of San Francisco. UM. I think those are in
Speaker 1: our in our I think I talked about most of
Speaker 1: those across a few of the city of eight episodes. UM.
Speaker 1: Then we have uh, there's but there there is other
Speaker 1: incidents outside of just those cities. UM. In Atlanta, a
Speaker 1: youth justice group was forced to cancel their rally in
Speaker 1: support of trans rights after an organizer received a specific
Speaker 1: quote vulgar death threat in Calama, Washington, a school was
Speaker 1: put on lockdown after an anti transit student threatened a
Speaker 1: mass shooting following a broad student walkout in support of
Speaker 1: a trans classmate who had been assaulted. UM people graffited
Speaker 1: pervs work here on an elementary school in Venture County, California,
Speaker 1: following a local right wing papers story about a third
Speaker 1: grade teacher who affirmed a trans students name and pronouns
Speaker 1: in the lead up to Pride Month, and anti LGBTQ
Speaker 1: activist named Ethan Schmidt Crockett vowed to hunt gay people
Speaker 1: and trans people and their allies at Target stores. UM
Speaker 1: following the story's decision to celebrate Pride, he made the
Speaker 1: same threat a month before. In June, he attended the
Speaker 1: counter protest of a pro gun control March for Our
Speaker 1: Lives demonstration carrying an a R fifteen. In Kiel, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: schools are forced to shut down and go virtual after
Speaker 1: bomb threats were made in response to the district's investigation
Speaker 1: of anti trans harassment by three students. Something I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about a lot the past few weeks is that
Speaker 1: even before Roevwade was overturned, multiple states enacted laws for
Speaker 1: like vigilante bounty hunters to do the work of the
Speaker 1: state that the state wasn't legally allowed to do yet,
Speaker 1: like directly, right, And so they were getting regular people
Speaker 1: to combat and intimidate providers into not doing abortion procedures.
Speaker 1: And we're already seeing an increase in physical attacks targeting
Speaker 1: queer people, and I think many more regular people are
Speaker 1: waiting for the state government's permission to do the same thing.
Speaker 1: We don't need to wait for the Supreme Court to
Speaker 1: say gay sex can be made illegal, right. States can
Speaker 1: already start doing this stuff now, And there's already people
Speaker 1: waiting in the wings, and as soon as they get
Speaker 1: to go ahead, they will jump at this opportunity. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play one final clip that is pretty pretty grim.
Speaker 1: I just saw the man tell me in public that
Speaker 1: he can't wait until he's legally able, until he's legally able,
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, wait until you can legally hunt us down.
Speaker 1: This is not okay, This is not okay. So that
Speaker 1: was a queer person who lives in Oklahoma talking about
Speaker 1: something that happened to them last month. And I try
Speaker 1: to when I make these episodes, I try to not
Speaker 1: just lay out a whole bunch of bad things to
Speaker 1: be like, here's a problem, all right by everybody, like
Speaker 1: because that sucks, but also I don't know what the
Speaker 1: solution here is because this sucks. Of The California House
Speaker 1: and Senate just passed bill h s B one oh seven.
Speaker 1: This bill would provide many protections for families fleeing states
Speaker 1: like Texas and Alabama. It would protect them from extradition,
Speaker 1: from out of state investigations, from out of state custody
Speaker 1: judgments based on providing gender affirming healthcare. The bill is
Speaker 1: currently in review by the California Committee on Appropriations and
Speaker 1: then it would need to be signed by the governor.
Speaker 1: If your state doesn't have a trans sanctuary law on
Speaker 1: the docket, maybe it's time to ask your representative about that, UM,
Speaker 1: preferably maybe when they're like out at dinner or at church. UM.
Speaker 1: But also like even getting to the point where we're
Speaker 1: making plans to flee to other states, when trans people
Speaker 1: are forced to make plans to flee out of country,
Speaker 1: when you're investigating what kind of citizenship you can get
Speaker 1: based on your ancestral family history. Once we're at that point,
Speaker 1: it's really hard, like it's it's and in my discussions
Speaker 1: with queer friends the past few like the past few weeks,
Speaker 1: we've been having more and more conversations about that, more
Speaker 1: and more plans about when things really do fully breakdown,
Speaker 1: where do we go? What do we do? Like? And
Speaker 1: it sucks because there's so many people who live in
Speaker 1: states like Oklahoma, like Texas right where that's people's homes,
Speaker 1: that's where that's where these queer people are living and
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be forced to leave like they that that
Speaker 1: shouldn't happen. And we have great folks like the Elm
Speaker 1: Fork John Brown Gun Club to think I'm providing a
Speaker 1: really good example of how queer people can work together
Speaker 1: to start doing community defense in your own areas. Uh,
Speaker 1: to say no, this is our home too, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna fucking walk around with rifles to defend it if
Speaker 1: we have to. Um. Obviously not everyone mentally is able
Speaker 1: to do that, right, But there's there's there's other ways
Speaker 1: to get in, get more connected to your local community,
Speaker 1: to strengthen like queer areas inside you know, states where
Speaker 1: these things are happening. The other thing I see a
Speaker 1: lot with queer people that makes me really sad is
Speaker 1: that fighting the state right. Fighting these types of big
Speaker 1: homophobicaust its Usians who want to kill us. That's hard
Speaker 1: and scary. We feel so powerless. We we want to
Speaker 1: feel like we have any agency. I want to feel
Speaker 1: like we have any power at all, because there's so
Speaker 1: many people with power who are hurting us, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to actually fight back against those. But we feel powerless,
Speaker 1: so we want to feel like we're able. So instead
Speaker 1: we turn on other people who are within our own
Speaker 1: communities because it's easier to attack people who are like us.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's easier to to to do to
Speaker 1: do that right, it still gives you a sense of
Speaker 1: having agency. But they're trying to murder us all like
Speaker 1: personally disagreements on politics or whatever aside, Like it would
Speaker 1: be really nice if we stop just doing nonsense fighting
Speaker 1: with each other and doing dumb like click drama, dumb
Speaker 1: discourse like they're trying to they're trying to kill us.
Speaker 1: Can we not? Can we not do that? I know
Speaker 1: you want to find some way to push back on
Speaker 1: something so you feel like you have an ability to
Speaker 1: do anything, and wing against the police, doing against your
Speaker 1: state government, doing against the Supreme Court, that's much harder, right,
Speaker 1: It's easier to do it against you know, a friend
Speaker 1: of yours or someone who used to be friends with
Speaker 1: that's so much easier. But that's not helping in their
Speaker 1: attempts to just do genocide. So I think making plans
Speaker 1: to get out of where you are, if you have to,
Speaker 1: making plans is necessary. Sometimes I've I've thought of this,
Speaker 1: I've been even me in the Pacific Northwest have had
Speaker 1: have have had many thoughts about that. It's also very
Speaker 1: important to start strengthening your relationships with other queer people
Speaker 1: in your communities and starting to put together ways to
Speaker 1: work with them. Um to make a show force and
Speaker 1: say hey, we're here, we're not gonna we're here to
Speaker 1: stay right now. You can't you can't scare us out
Speaker 1: right now, because there needs to be some way to
Speaker 1: combat it. Because these people they're trying to do, they're
Speaker 1: trying to be regressive right like there, we are already
Speaker 1: at a point that we progressed far enough that they're
Speaker 1: they are scared of how much progress has happened, so
Speaker 1: they're trying to turn the clock back. Our challenge is
Speaker 1: to keep the change coming and push back against these people.
Speaker 1: Who are trying to hold on to the dead twentieth century, right,
Speaker 1: the fear of change and the fear of the future
Speaker 1: is driving their return to the past. We don't need
Speaker 1: to just run away because we should. We should be
Speaker 1: winning this fight in some ways because we already hold
Speaker 1: we already hold the ground that they want to take
Speaker 1: away from us. So, yeah, bad stuff is coming. But
Speaker 1: just because bad things happened in history doesn't mean they
Speaker 1: need to happen again, like we there is ways to
Speaker 1: intervene to stop this. Um. Should you keep your passports renewed? Yes,
Speaker 1: you obviously should, um. But we don't just need to
Speaker 1: run away because we actually have ground to stand on here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, And I think I think one thing is
Speaker 1: also important to remember is that the people who got
Speaker 1: us here we're facing way, way worse solids than we are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people who had to do this. Yeah, And so like,
Speaker 1: like the job that we have is incredibly intimidating, it
Speaker 1: is also easier than the stuff that has already been done.
Speaker 1: We already we already got to this point facing extremely
Speaker 1: harsh conditions, and we already got there. Um. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's always struggling to try to find ways
Speaker 1: to think about this that gives you a little bit
Speaker 1: of like, you know, it's just like it's so easy
Speaker 1: to be a duomer. It's so easy just to say
Speaker 1: we're all funcked, we all need to move away. That's
Speaker 1: the simple solution. But there's most simple things are also
Speaker 1: usually incomplete and wrong. So just trying to find other
Speaker 1: ways to think about this problem. Because we don't need
Speaker 1: to tell for people to run away, um, and you
Speaker 1: don't need to tell them they have to fight either, um.
Speaker 1: You know, people can make their own decisions and offer
Speaker 1: their own resources and start operating in a network that
Speaker 1: helps the survival of all of us and increasingly challenging times.
Speaker 1: And I should also say, like non queer people like, look,
Speaker 1: the defining characteristic of this moment is that there is
Speaker 1: a silent, silent majority that supports crew rights. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: if if the the the the the only way that
Speaker 1: we actually lose this is if is if that majority
Speaker 1: does nothing. But if that if that majority moves, if
Speaker 1: this is people who actually believe in this stuff, and
Speaker 1: if the non queer people who actually believe that we
Speaker 1: should have rights and we should be able to live
Speaker 1: our lives do stuff. We will fucking crush these people.
Speaker 1: They will be remembered as a fucking grain of dust
Speaker 1: in the sand that was crushed by the tide of history.
Speaker 1: And we can do that. We can destroy them. We can,
Speaker 1: we can, we can, we can make it for We
Speaker 1: can make this moment in history a incredibly brief blip
Speaker 1: where people are like, oh hey, that was wasn't it
Speaker 1: weird and Homefulibi came back for like three years and
Speaker 1: then it was just gone again. That that that that
Speaker 1: is in our power. We just have to do it. Yep,
Speaker 1: all right, well, strength and community relations. Stop stop doing
Speaker 1: nonsense in fighting for no good reason because you want
Speaker 1: to feel powerful, put that effort into actually fighting the
Speaker 1: people that are trying to hurt you, or put that
Speaker 1: effort into making friends. That does it for us today.
Speaker 1: That was my episode on the increase in queer extermination
Speaker 1: is um um Yeah, see you on the other side.
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