1 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: one two. Shocking and disturbing new details emerging at this 3 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: hour about a five year old missing Wichita boy. I'm 4 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: talking about Lucas Hernandez. What happened? This is Crime Stories 5 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, thank you for being with us. Listen 6 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: to this. Happy birthday, Dear Lucy, Happy birthday to you. 7 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: Blot your candle, good job, but you're five years old tomorrow. 8 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: What you just heard is happy birthday being sung to 9 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: a little five year old Lucas Hernandez that was at 10 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: his five year birthday. Lucas is missing. Somebody knows where 11 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: he is, and I have very strong suspicions that somebody 12 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: is his stepmother and his bio dad. Overnight we find 13 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: out that his dad is put behind bars, but nothing 14 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: to do with Lucas and has to do with the 15 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: domestic assault and guess what else he's already out of jail. 16 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: When will there be justice for Lucas? This child seen 17 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: by many people, relatives, others, with cuts, bruises, not not 18 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: enough to eat. It just it finally ended when the 19 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: child completely goes missing, and it just I can't believe 20 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: that dad is behind bars on a domestic assault and 21 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: he walks out, walks out scott free, while his five 22 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: year old son is missing. I want to know the 23 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: very latest with me. Kim Martin from Missing Pieces Network 24 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: trying to find answers well known juvenile judge and lawyer, 25 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: founder of child crime watch dot com Ashley Willcott, also 26 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: with me, investigative reporter with crime online dot com, Lee 27 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: Egan Lee. Let's start at the beginning. When did Lucas 28 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: go missing? And he just appear? According to Emily lash 29 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: on February seven, Keen, although we're really not sure it 30 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: could have been the day prior. You know, that's confusing 31 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: to me. Kim Martin with Missing Pieces Network, how nobody 32 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: knows exactly when he went missing. I have a problem 33 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: with that, hold on, Kim Ashley. I know where my 34 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: children are at this minute, at this exact minute. I 35 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: know when I saw them last. I'm not confused. Why 36 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: are they confused? Gives a very bad vibe on this 37 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: so called stepmother Emily Glass and the father too. I'll 38 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: throw both of the same pot boy. How they don't 39 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: know when he went missing? In this field, that's a 40 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: huge red flag because at a minimum, there's a lack 41 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: of supervision, which can be grounds for kids being removed 42 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: from a home. I think it's more than a lack 43 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: of supervision. I think they're responsible or know who's responsible. 44 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: This little missing Wichita boy, Lucas Hernandez is absolutely the 45 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: cutest thing you would ever want to see. He's only 46 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: five years old now. He was reported missing on a 47 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: Saturday at six fifteen p m. And the twenty six 48 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: year old stepmother tells cops she last saw him around 49 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: three what three three and on nearly three and a 50 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: half hours go by before you call the cops. She says, 51 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: she took a shower and a nap, and when she 52 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: woke up, he was just gone and the back door open. Okay. 53 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: Police have gone so far as to say nothing so 54 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: far indicates the little boy was kidnapped. That they searched 55 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: the home, they searched the surrounding neighborhood, they searched nearby park, 56 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: but still don't know what happened. Kim Martin with me 57 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: with Missing Pieces Network. Kim, can you clarify anything about 58 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: his disappearance? I know that the evening, it was either 59 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: lunch that day or the evening before the stepmother, Emily Glass, 60 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: takes her daughter to Olive Garden, you know, the bottomless 61 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: salad and all that, and she leaves Lucas at home 62 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: staring out the window with nothing to eat. I know 63 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: that much she was. Yet that was on February, and 64 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: that's the same day that the landlord saw Lucas through 65 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: the window. So that was the Friday before he was 66 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: reported missing. We do know that Jonathan, his father left 67 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: space timed with them that with their habit in the 68 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: evenings on February, so we've got him a line on February, 69 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: and the landlord saw him around five thirty on okay, 70 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: around five thirty in the afternoon, yep. So we've got 71 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: the twenty four hour period where no one knows where 72 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: Lucas is. I just find it just the oddest thing 73 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: to ask you, Willcott, that the stepmother, if she can recalled, 74 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: that leaves the boy at home alone, I might add, 75 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: at five years old, while she takes her natural or 76 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: biological daughter out to eat, leaves him there starving. Uh Kim, 77 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about cuts and bruises that 78 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: people saw on the little boy before he went missing? 79 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: It had started back The first time I believe that 80 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: um CPS was called was May of things have been 81 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: noticed before then. Um I mean just uses on his rear, 82 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: end on his face, cuts on his nose. Um. The 83 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: worst or maybe not the worst, but the biggest red 84 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: flag to me was one of his arms. I believe 85 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: it was the left arm was so bruised that when 86 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: they went for a visit UM temporary tattoos were placed 87 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: over the bruises in an attempt to hide my stars 88 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: Ashley Will caught Atlanta juvenile judge. I didn't know that 89 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: they actually tried to cover up the bruises with temporary tattoos. 90 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: That's bad, It's really bad. And let me tell you, 91 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: this child should have been removed by defects when all 92 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: this bruising was seen. So this is a clear system failed. 93 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: They failed to protect this child multiple times. It was 94 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: reported again in November. And if the last picture or 95 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: the last known picture of Lucas he if you put 96 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: the photos side by side, you know of him a 97 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: year ago. It does not look like the same child. 98 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: He's lost so much weight, his face is sunk in, 99 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: his eyes are black, his nose is cut um and 100 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: you know a picture of him. Two weeks earlier, he 101 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: looked much better. He was with um biological grandmother that 102 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: weekend and you know, they had a good time, laughing fun. 103 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: He looked fine. You know. Two weeks later he's with 104 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: Emily and her family and he's got two black hys. 105 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: It's awful, and he looks so sad in those pictures. 106 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: He's there's one where he looks at the camera they're 107 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: doing the little family photo and it's almost his little 108 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: eyes are just pleading. That picture just haunts me, It 109 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: really does. A school nurse documents little Lucas is bruises 110 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: and cuts just a couple of weeks before he disappears. 111 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: The little pre k boy had a prolonged absence from school. 112 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: And when you get to the school nursing and she 113 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: is writing about all of your bruising, that's bad. Now 114 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: we've believe that Lucas had bruises most often after the stepmother, 115 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: the Glass and the father fought. It seems to me 116 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: that somebody was taking it out on the little boy. 117 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: To Lee Egan, crime online dot Com, what do we 118 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: know about Emily Glass is so called stepmother? Well, what 119 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: we know according to court documents, you're absolutely right. Um. 120 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: They're alleging that the father and the mother would fight 121 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot and then he would leave. He would go 122 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: months on end month at the time he would be 123 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: out of counsel work and she's left there along with 124 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: Lucas and her anger allegedly would be turned to him 125 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: and she snacked him, you know, she pushed him around 126 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: there and like him said, they were through all over 127 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: his body. She seemed to school this way. They noticed it, 128 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: they documented it, I believe. I don't know for sure, 129 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: but I believe they reported it. Yet nothing was done. 130 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he went back home. Why why, Ashley Willcott, 131 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: you're the juvenile judge, You're the founder of child crime 132 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: watch dot com. Why is it with d FACTS Department, 133 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: Family Children's Services CPS, Child Protective Services They just sit 134 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: by and take notes and notes and notes and notes 135 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: while the kid dies and even worse, pictures and pictures 136 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: and pictures and pictures. In this case, there's no explanation 137 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: for the why. There is no good reason. Their job. 138 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: De Facts's job is to investigate allegations and if there's 139 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: any substantiation or belief that the child's an imminent risk, 140 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: then they call the court to remove the child from 141 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: that home. That's what should have happened. Just I just 142 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: don't get it. I mean, what do you have to 143 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: write war and peace before you can get a child 144 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: taken out of an abusive home. Take a listen to 145 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: Kansas City Police. This is Officer Charlie Davison announcing Lucas 146 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: officially is is gone. Lucas was last seen wearing black sweats, 147 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: white sox, and a gray shirt with a bear on it. 148 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: Our thoughts and prayers remain with Lucas and Lucas's family 149 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: as we are diligently investigating the situation. On Friday, February seventeenth, 150 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: that approximately six fifteen officers were dispatched to a lost 151 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: juvenile call at a residence and a six d block 152 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 1: of South Edgemore. When they arrived, they made contact with 153 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: the twenty six year old female who is the stepmother 154 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: of Lucas. She reported to officers that she last saw 155 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: Lucas in his bedroom at approximately three pm, prior to 156 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: her showering and falling asleep. Officers and canine units have 157 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Dylan dylantly checked the home and the neighborhood with no 158 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: luck of locating Lucas at this time currently which top 159 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: police department detectives continue to speak with family and follow 160 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: up with any leads regarding this unfortunate situation. So we 161 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: are asking the community which has any information regarding this case, 162 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: so please call tips into three one six three eight 163 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: three four six six one and there will be individuals 164 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: at our employment or excuse me, emergency operation command center 165 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: to answer those tips. However, at this point, we're asking 166 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: citizens to share the information on their social media pages 167 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: and called the tip line with any information. What I 168 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: don't understand is what has happened during the nine hours? 169 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: What do we know, Lee Agan, about the father just 170 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: getting arrested, the father, the biological father, getting arrested overnight 171 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: and then he just walks out of jail. What what happened? 172 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: Why was he behind bars? Did having anything to do 173 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: with Lucas disappearing? It did not. It's an unrelated charge 174 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: and it was a misdemeanor according to the doors, like 175 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: court documents, he smacked one of Emily's biological sons, part 176 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: of us on his chest legal march and he appeared 177 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: in court and I believe they arrested him right after 178 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: his court Here he he wants right out, Saint day. 179 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, They've got him right there 180 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: behind bars and they let him walk. When Lucas goes missing, 181 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: to Kim Martin joining me with Missing Pieces Network looking 182 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: for answers. God bless you, Kim Martin. Where was the 183 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: bio dad? When Lucas goes missing? The baby Lucas five 184 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: year old Lucas just turned five, is at home with 185 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: the so called stepmother. She's really a living girlfriend. It's 186 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: what she has. Go ahead, where's the dad? He was 187 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: in New Mexico working as a what Why was he 188 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: in New Mexico? He works? Um, I don't understand the 189 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: oil industry, but he's a contractor and works down there, 190 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: something to do with oil rigs. So he's his schedule 191 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: now is he works twenty days on and then he's 192 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: off for ten days now. Last year, yeah, yeah, I'm 193 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: familiar with that. UM. Last year for most of the day, 194 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: it was for most of the year, he was forty 195 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: days on in twenty days off. So so he would 196 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: be gone for three weeks. That's tough. That's a tough 197 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: way to make a living. So as she will caught, 198 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: I believe that the stress would go up and the 199 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: stepmother she's a living girlfriend. I don't even want to 200 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: call her stepmother. But her anger and resentment toward having 201 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: to take care of Lucas would escalate when the bio dad, 202 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: her boyfriend is gone, and it would get worse and 203 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: worse and worse. And then while he's gone, Lucas goes missing. 204 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: I agree with you, Nancy, and here's what makes it 205 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: one step worse. Think about those tattoos, the temporary tattoos 206 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: covering up bruises. Not only did the stress get worse, 207 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: her actions got worse. It was premeditated. She knew what 208 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: she was doing was wrong. She knew she was beating 209 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: the crap out of this kid, and instead covers it 210 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: up and just keeps doing it. Guys, take a listen 211 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: to what we know. We're talking about the stepmother of 212 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: missing a five year old which Tabboy Lucas her nandez 213 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: Emily Glass, twenty six year old living girlfriend with her 214 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: children of her own, is there in the home saying 215 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: she took a shower and a nap for three hours 216 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of the day. Man, I wish I 217 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: had three hours to burn in the middle of the 218 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: day when I could just kick back and take a 219 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: long lug. Hey, you remember those commercials as she will caught. 220 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: They would say, Calgan take me away. At Jackie's mouthing 221 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: it right now, And there'd always be this woman like 222 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: with one of those turban things on her head, and 223 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: she was had on full makeup, of course, with eyelashes 224 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: and all that, and I would think she was so beautiful. 225 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: She was like stretched out this beautiful tub with the 226 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: bubbles up to her chin and candles and music. I'm like, wow, okay, 227 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: I need to do that. Of course that has never happened. 228 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: Do you remember Calgan take me away? Actually? Is it 229 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,359 Speaker 1: just me? Remember it sounded delightful. Let me suggest this, Nancy. 230 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: You might do it in the shower and the bad 231 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: for three hours in the middle of the day. Why 232 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: is it just made that's work in my rear end off? 233 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: Like somebody asked me the other day, have you ever 234 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: been to Italy? And I went, Now, I've felt been 235 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: to work. What is she doing having a shower for 236 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: three hours in the middle of the day. It's completely different. 237 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: Once you have kids, you might might might decide with 238 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: no kids, no responsibilities of kids in the home. Okay, good, 239 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna do it. But once you have kids, 240 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, every second you're not working, what are 241 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: you doing? You are paying attention to your children, what 242 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: they're doing. Well. At five o'clock this morning, I was 243 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: not working on John David's report for school. Okay, but 244 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: that's what that's me doing. That's what parents who are 245 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: good parents should be doing, not napping while they're failing 246 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: to supervise their young children. Kim Martin Missing Pieces Network 247 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: sit true. She tried to blame the other children for 248 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: all the bruises all over Lucas. Um she did she well, 249 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: She deflected when answered about it and said that she 250 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: sometimes sent Lucas to her cousin's house and there were 251 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: older boys, and you know how boys will be. It 252 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: was one of those types of excuses. Not my boy, 253 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: not yet anyway, that's me knocking on wood because well 254 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: actually loses the one if either one of them touched 255 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: the other. Oh yeah, that's a big, big no no 256 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: uh no hitting. So this whole boy's will be boys thing. 257 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. I've seen enough juvenile offenders that that is 258 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: not washing with mommy. Guys, listen to this, listen to this. 259 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: Police pull out all the stops, They bring out the 260 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: k nines. They do extensive searches, including over one hundred officers, 261 00:16:54,440 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: the dogs, the helicopters, parks, streams, neighborhoods for glass lived 262 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: all over the place looking for Lucas. Citizen groups joined 263 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: the search. Found no sign of the boy. Investigators still 264 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: insisting they find no evidence the boy abductive police reports 265 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: showing officers had been called to the home in the 266 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: past when the boy's father and stepmother had fought. Until this, 267 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: take a listen to Kansas Deputy Police Chief Gavin Sealer. 268 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: This case is now considered criminal investigation. Investigators have arrested 269 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: a twenty six year old female on two counts of 270 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: child endangerment. Charges are related to new information gathered during 271 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: this investigation. Officers and investigators have been working on this 272 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: case NonStop since six fifteen Saturday evening. We have collected 273 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: information through countless interviews, follow ups on leads, and examining evidence. 274 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: This evidence or I'm sorry, this incident has touched many 275 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: in our community. I know that many. There are many 276 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: more questions as a result of this are This continues 277 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: to be a criminal investigation and we cannot go into 278 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: further details. The search for Leakas Lucas is ongoing and 279 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: we are still asking public for assistance. We continue to 280 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: provide every resource that we have available to find Lucas. 281 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: This is our priority. UH. If you have any information 282 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: on where his whereabouts, please call this tip line number 283 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: is three one six three eight three four six six 284 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: one UM as a result of this investigation too, we 285 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: would also like to thank other those other agencies that 286 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: have been assisting us over the past few days. Those 287 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: are the FBI, KPI, the District Attorney's office and it 288 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: says Atlantic County Sheriff's Office. So I let that at 289 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: this point, yesday, that is the stepmother and he laughs 290 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: it is twenty six year old fee the endangering the child? 291 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: Would that be endangering Lucas? That there are two children, 292 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: voters to separate councils, separates two separate councifer would one 293 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: of the Lucas one of those children is Lucas? Yes, 294 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: we know what the child is involve me one for child? 295 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: Is that her her daughter ah um going to them? 296 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: Do you consider at this point that his disappearance is 297 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: likely going to be a homicide this point in time, 298 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: we hope not. We hope that we are able to 299 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: find Lucas and that he is alive and no w 300 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: are you guys searching that? Uh this investigation will can 301 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: team on. As far as specific locations, there's various locations. 302 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: M I won't make any specific attentions. Can you elaborate 303 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: on the nature of endangering the child like was that 304 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: leaving a child alone or the nature of it? I 305 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: won't get into the investigation charges. When was she arrested 306 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: to arresting bookshet do you one more question? What information? 307 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: And I guess when you got to give that afformation 308 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: that turned into it from investigation, this has been a 309 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: result of as I mentioned, we started six fifteen on 310 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: this three days ago prey still and uh so as 311 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: a result of all the interviews and throughout the investigation 312 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: stuff and talking with people, evidence that was collected and 313 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: things as when we turn it into different instations. Have 314 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: you guys been able to verify her account of what 315 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: happened in terms of her being the last person to 316 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: see him again, that's all far of the investigation. I 317 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: don't want to get into details of it, okay, and 318 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: so I will discuss that corner. There could be more 319 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: charneys there is possibility of charges Crept. Yeah, she's she's 320 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: behind bars on this, but still no Lucas. Listen now 321 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: to Lucas's aunt, Sally rest Mussen, as she speaks to 322 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: K A K E t V. You know, I could 323 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: feel helpless all these stories I've been hearing for months 324 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: about him possibly being abused. Today investigated and had a 325 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: frantic interview and all that kind of stuff and sent them. 326 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: I guess the police didn't think there was enough evidence. 327 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: When I first found out he was missing, I um 328 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: was suspicious and then worried. What is so heartbreaking about that? 329 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: Lee Egan, investigative reporter on Crime online dot Com. Everybody knew. 330 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: Everybody knew he's getting beaten at home where they cover 331 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: up the bad bruises with temporary tattoos, but yet he's 332 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: still in the Homely, I don't know understand it. I 333 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: don't either. I don't mean family members reported it. Family 334 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: members could affronted Jonathan and his father and Emaly, and 335 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: allegedly Jonathan stopped talking to his family after they accused 336 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: Emily of abusing Luke if he cut them on social media, 337 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: he stopped taking their call. Oh wait a minute, are 338 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: you talking about the dad, the bio dad. Yes, Ashley, 339 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: help me. I've never seen a case in court that 340 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: I prosecuted where one partner is charged with abusingly child 341 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: and the other one they stand by the partner and 342 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: not the child. What is that? It is so common 343 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: in child welfare? As a judge, I see it all 344 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: the time. And it's even weirder to me that generally 345 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: it's not a husband standing by a wife or vice versa. 346 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: It's always a boyfriend a girlfriend. It's It's fascinating, isn't it. 347 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't know the reason, but it happens all the time. Well, 348 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: take a listen to this. Kim Martin joining me from 349 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: Missing Pieces Network, Ashley Wolcott juvenile judge, found a child 350 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: Crime watch dot com and Lee Egan Crime Online. Listen 351 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: to Emily Glass and court just in court demanding her 352 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: bond be lowered. Listen to this. In this case, this 353 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: bond reflects crimes that are not charged in the complaint. 354 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: The severity of the alleged crime committed, I would compared 355 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: to the bond itself is a huge exaggerated difference in 356 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: what any other similar situated definite would re seene. Additionally, 357 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: She's been in custody since February. This crime carries a 358 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: maximum sentence of twelve months and maximum find nowhere near 359 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: to fifty the possible punishment and law by law does 360 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: not support such a high bond amount. Emily is from 361 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: this area, She resides in this area, all of her 362 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: family lives in this area. Per sinct case is in 363 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: this count She's not applied risk. With all matters being considered, 364 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: the court believes that in this particular case, under these 365 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: facts and circumstances, with that ongoing investigation occurring with which 366 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: involves a minor child, that case in itself and an uninvestigation, 367 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: makes Miss Glass a flight risk in order to respond 368 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: and answer to these charges in this case. And so 369 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: with all that in mind and all that under consideration, 370 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: the Court believes that the bond in this case is 371 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: appropriately said and we'll deny Emotion and Martin with missing 372 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: Pieces Network looking for answers. Kim the stepmother, the living girlfriend, 373 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: is behind bars trying desperately to get a bond lowered. 374 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: She's behind bars for the endangerment of her own daughter. 375 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: That's what she's behind bars for. Um. What about the 376 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: bio dad, what's his state of mind. Well this, I 377 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: think it's interesting. Um. I talked to Jonathan yesterday before 378 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: he went to court, and this just tells me how 379 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: much manipulation by Emily he is and how much in 380 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: denial he is. When we were talking about it, he said, 381 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: I can't go to jail. I'm the only provider for 382 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: my family. And that's when it quite honestly occurred to 383 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: me that he does not realize the magnitude of what's 384 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: going on. He's not going to go home to a family. 385 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: He's lost his youngest daughter, he's lost Lucas, and I 386 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: don't know if in his mind he is thinking Emily 387 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: is the only thing he has left, because he's you know, 388 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: he's already estranged from the rest of his family because 389 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: of her. You know, he just he's in denial. Kim Martin, 390 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: I hope you're sitting down listen to this. Nancy Emily 391 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: Glass spoke exclusively from jail to fact Finder twelve investigator 392 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: Devon fast Finder Eric. Obviously a lot of rumors going on. 393 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot of rumors going on, a lot 394 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: of things that people are saying about your step son, Lucas. 395 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: Just curious if there's anything that you want to say 396 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: about that situation, yes, um, and that's past. You know, 397 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: there's good times. You know, you a boy of playing 398 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: with older brothers and his cousins. Um, and he has 399 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: asked from fall Uh. He's like, you know, I may 400 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: not have given birth to him that he might baby 401 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: boys today. I take care of them every day. No. Um, 402 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: it's very stainful that this is happening and it's time 403 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: like this right now. Do you have any idea where 404 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: Lucas might be at this point? You guys, I always 405 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: played here. But if anyone says no, because me and 406 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: Dad are worried, sick, you know what, I thank you 407 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: thinking maybe done what could have happened? You know? Okay, 408 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: thanks brothers. He's so close now, Emily, I hope you understand. 409 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: I do have to ask you because of you know, 410 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: the arrest and because of a lot of rumors, did 411 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: you hurt Lucas? I would never hurt because there's there's 412 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: a huge there's a huge history between the family from 413 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: New Mexico, and by all the accusations, I'm storyous fly 414 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: when he had got hurt and in the recruises, he 415 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: wasn't under my hair um because I would send him 416 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: off with my cousins and there's horderable were there. And 417 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: he's a very little small boy and you can get 418 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: hurt easily. And when he's playing with older boys who 419 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: were like ten years old. Even though you're have to 420 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: tell him he careful, we have to tell all the time. 421 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: You know he's careful. So you're saying that all of 422 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: those bruises and those things from the pictures and the 423 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: accusations are all from him just being a little boy 424 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: and playing with other boys. Absolutely, we are kinds where 425 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: him and my older boys with the look around their 426 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: house and they wouldn't even get ripper, you know, normal boy. 427 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Is there anything that you would want to say to 428 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: Lucas if you put right now? But I love it 429 00:28:52,840 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: very much like the goal. So al ways, you know what, 430 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: Emily Glass, if you love Lucas, tell me where he is. 431 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: Did you know about a recent law that could leave 432 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: your personal data exposed online for anybody to find? If 433 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: you've turned on the news lately, you know the internet 434 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: has created a dangerous new world. 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In the last hours, about a hundred 452 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: and fifty people are at an Oak Park location remembering 453 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: the life of a twenty four year old man who 454 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: dies while in police custody. What happened? What happened? I'm 455 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. What went wrong? Did 456 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: a young man in the prime of his life life 457 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: commits suicide? Behind bars, an Oak Park main dies after 458 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,239 Speaker 1: an apparent mix up in a Chicago jail. Joining me 459 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: right now on the story, Radar online dot COM's investigative 460 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: reporter Alexis tress check. Alexis, this sounds very hard to believe. 461 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: A mix up behind bars and then suddenly, healthy young 462 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: man commits suicide. You know what, Hold on listen, Alexis. 463 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: This is his daughter for your old Savannah singing to him. 464 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, ju you, Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, 465 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: dear daddy, Happy day dude. Alexis, you and I both 466 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: have children, and the thought that his daughter, through some 467 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: apparent mix up and an alleged suicide behind bars, leaves 468 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: her without a father. To just start at the beginning, Alexis, 469 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: what happened? Tyler Lumar is his name, four years old, 470 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: wonderful man of the community. Everybody loved him. He gets 471 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: arrested by the police. This is where the police the 472 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: versions are not mixing up. Apparently, they say that there 473 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: was an outstanding warrant. He owed just twenty five dollars 474 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: for ann outstanding warrant and it was four days late, 475 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: so they arrested him put him in jail. He wanted 476 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: to pay the fifty dollar bail, and apparently what the 477 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: family is saying is that they were the police refused 478 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: to let him out, They refused to let him pay 479 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: the fifty dollar bail, They lock him up, they refused 480 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: to release him. He calls his family from behind bars, 481 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: speaks to them once, then they don't hear from him. 482 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: Days go by, the police are still refusing to release him, 483 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: and his family says that he tried to commit suicide 484 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: behind bars. So many of those facts really are not 485 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: lining up for me. First of all, jails are so overcrowded. 486 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: If he wanted to pay the fine, why wouldn't they 487 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: let him out? Is that the a legend mix up? 488 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: That is what they're saying, Yes, that's the police say 489 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: that it's a mix up that they didn't know they 490 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: wanted to pay. The family is saying that they were 491 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: obviously holding him for no reason, and because it was 492 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: just fifty dollars, it was a four day late fine, 493 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: and then he offered he wanted to pay the fifty dollars. 494 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: He had no criminal record. This was not a long 495 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: term criminal man. This was somebody who had no criminal 496 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: record and he was This is that's why they're saying 497 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: this is this is not right. He should not have 498 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: been behind bars, and the family says that the police 499 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: didn't check on him, that they left him for hours 500 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: and hours and hours behind locked up behind bars for 501 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: no reason, and that is when he attempted to commit 502 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: suicide because nobody was watching him, nobody checked on him. Well, 503 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: the family has now filed a major federal lawsuit alleging 504 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: that Mr. Lemar was wrongfully detained and also neglected in 505 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: a jail cell. Police say that Lemar threatened a doctor 506 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: who refused to refill his cough medicine prescription. Now, he 507 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: was not charged at the time, but records indicate moments 508 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: later he was arrested because of a down state warrant 509 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: over an overdue twenty five dollar payment in a misdemeanor 510 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: traffic case. So one piece of the puzzle that I'm 511 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: missing is police say he threatened a doctor who refused 512 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: to refill his cough medicine prescription. That's bad, But even 513 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: if that's true, still if he wanted to pay the 514 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: overdue payment of twenty five dollars, I don't understand why 515 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: he was kept behind bars, And I also don't understand 516 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: why someone could commit suicide, allegedly commit suicide and nobody noticed. 517 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: The lawsuit claims he had actually paid the amount, but 518 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: that the authorities did not withdraw the warrant. The lawsuit 519 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: is alleging Chicago police put an extradition hold on him 520 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: and that he would be jailed while Lee County was 521 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: waiting to pick him up. Now all of this sounds 522 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: really bizarre to me, So Alexis to rest. Chuck Writer 523 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: Online explained to me what the allgend mix up is. 524 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: The mix up is is that he was he had 525 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: paid the fine. He should not have been in jail 526 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: for paying the fine. It was done, it was paid, 527 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: the paperwork just hadn't been completed, and that the other 528 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: county was trying to get him out. So the police 529 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: were holding him, but then he offered to pay the bail. 530 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: He offered to pay. It was fifty dollars. He said, 531 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: I will pay, let me out. Why are you keeping 532 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: me in jail for fine that I have already paid 533 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: and they refused to let him out, kept him locked up. 534 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: This was something that he something happened with him, and 535 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: they say that he apparently tried to commit suicide. That 536 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: that is they're saying, apparently because you don't know what 537 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: could have happened, right, Well, then he ended up in 538 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: the hospital. Was he in he tries to commit suicide? 539 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: Reportedly it was a suicide attempt, and he ends up 540 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: in a hospital. Why was he in a hospital? And 541 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: how long did he linger there? Was he in a coma? 542 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: Alexis he was in a coma and that's all? And 543 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 1: how old was he when all this happened. Twenty four 544 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: years old and no criminal record. It's just so overwhelming. 545 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: Another problem for me is that apparently an autopsy has 546 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: been concluded, but the manner of Lumar's death is still 547 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: under investigation. And that's coming from a spokesperson from the 548 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: Cook County Medical Examiner's office. Now, I don't understand if 549 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: the autopsy has been done, why aren't we getting all 550 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: the results? See that just adds to more belief in 551 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: some kind of a cover up. And I'm not saying 552 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: there is a cover up, but when it's not transparent, 553 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I would want answers. If my husband can 554 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: commit tries to commit suicide behind bars after just like 555 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: forty seventy two hours behind bars, I find that really 556 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: hard to believe. I would want answers, Vincent, I don't 557 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: understand why we're not getting answers. Nancy. I can't understand either. 558 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: But one thing I want to stress here is, you know, 559 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: everyone keeps saying he paid the fine, But as former 560 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement, I can tell you it is my duty. 561 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: If I stopped someone and they have a warrant, is 562 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: my duty that I must serve that warrant. So even 563 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: if he paid the fine, I've arrested people with warrants 564 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: that had likely cleared their fine, but it was my 565 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: duty to do that. So I think when this goes 566 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: to court that part of that may be a mute point. 567 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: But I do question that he was there. He wanted 568 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: to commit suicide after, you know, just a few hours 569 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: in jail, especially for something that was so mine or 570 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: we're not talking that he was going down for a 571 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: triple murder. It apparently was a fine that he hadn't paid. 572 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: So I definitely questioned that. And what happened and why, 573 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: you know, we don't know what happened in the autopsy 574 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: is not conclusive at this point. Well, I know this, 575 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: I know his family distraught. This is Tyler Lemar's longtime girlfriend, 576 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: The mother of his daughter Listen. Tyler arrested for supposedly 577 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: having a warrant UM and he called me actually to 578 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: tell me that he was getting arrested, and he asked 579 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: me to send the receipts showing that he paid everything 580 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: and didn't have a warrant. The police officer had on 581 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 1: the phone and told me it didn't matter that they 582 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: had to take him in any way. So he took 583 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: him in. And I'm not sure if they took him 584 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: specifically to the eleventh District or straight to and cow Hi. 585 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: The day went on, I assumed like, oh, he was 586 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: just gonna call me later. Um, I had formed miss 587 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: calls from him. Later on in the day, I got 588 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: a phone call and she said, um, is this casey 589 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: ten Kate? And I said yes, and she goes, I'm 590 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: calling about Tyler Lamar. He's here at Mount Sinai Hospital. Um, 591 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: because he tried to hurt himself in jail. I was 592 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: like what, I was like, are you sure? Like? I 593 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: was so confused. I went to the hospital and they wouldn't. 594 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: They didn't really tell us much about what happened. They 595 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: only told us like he was found unresponsive. There was 596 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: two police officers at the hospital that wouldn't let us 597 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: see him, so he was still in police custody. UM, 598 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: so we tried to see him and they were like, no, 599 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 1: we're sorry, you can't go in. And we were like, well, 600 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: this is like life or death here. We don't know 601 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: if he's gonna even make it through the night. I 602 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: called the police department to ask what the charges were. 603 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,280 Speaker 1: The guy answered had no idea. I was like, okay, 604 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: well they're not wanting to see him, can you like 605 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: tell us when we can see him. He was like, 606 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: hold on, let me check. He gets back on the 607 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: phone and he goes, oh, all charges are dropped. You 608 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: guys can see him now. The police officers should be leaving. 609 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: At this point, he was completely He was in a 610 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: medically induced comma, so he was completely sedated on a ventilator. 611 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: He had a tube in his lungs because one of 612 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: his lungs collapsed, and he didn't become a little bit 613 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: responsive until about like two or three weeks after getting her. 614 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: Is when he we started he started like opening his 615 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: eyes and responding to pain and stuff like that. He 616 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: still isn't communicating. He communicates us through like we'll ask 617 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: him like yes, or no questions through blinking. So he 618 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 1: does that, um he like well occasionally like squeeze hands 619 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: and stuff, but there's no like verbal communication from him yet. 620 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: Back to Alexis to arrest, Chuck Writer Online dot Com 621 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Where does the case stand now? What's happening Alexis? So, 622 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: his family has filed at federal lawsuit against the law 623 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: enforcement agency. They're claiming that he was held unlawfully and 624 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: that he was not checked properly. They're saying that they 625 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: did not while he was detained, while he was locked up, 626 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 1: they weren't checking on him, and that they he had called, 627 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,240 Speaker 1: so they knew that he was in distress and that 628 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: that that's not the policy, that you can't just lock 629 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,919 Speaker 1: somebody up and throw away the key and never see 630 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: them again. And so that this mistreatment while he was 631 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,240 Speaker 1: locked in jail is the reason why he is dead. 632 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: And they have filed a federal lawsuit. They want answers, 633 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: they want all of the evidence, they want all of 634 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: the police records because they do not believe that this 635 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: is something that was run of the mill just to 636 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: a regular arrest. They believe that he was intentionally harmed 637 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: by this Police Department. A young man just twenty four 638 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: years old is dead after an alleged mix up leads 639 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: to his wrongful arrest his attempted hanging, followed by massive 640 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: massive brain injuries after the attempted hanging. After less than 641 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: seventy two hours behind bars on this wrongful detention, reportedly 642 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: he's in a coma in the last days he dies. 643 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: A man who tries to hang himself in a Chicago 644 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: police lock up has led his family to accuse police 645 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: of wrongfully detaining him, and he has died after a 646 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: long time suffering in a hospital bed. Tyler Lumar just 647 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: twenty four years old at the time of his death, 648 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 1: massive brain injuries after an alleged suicide attempt, It just 649 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: doesn't even sound plausible. Now the Cook County Medical Examiner 650 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 1: Office confirms he was pronounced dead. The autopsy has been done, 651 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: but we still don't know all the results of the autopsy. 652 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: What's the hold up, Alexis to rez Chuck Well, the 653 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: police are saying that there is an ongoing investigation and 654 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: that's why they're not releasing the details. So but the 655 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: family doesn't believe this. They don't buy it, and they 656 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: want their own answers, and that's why they filed the lawsuit. 657 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: They had to take this extreme measure because they feel 658 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: like that there's a cover up by the police. They 659 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but their son is dead and 660 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: they want answers for his little girl who went to 661 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,919 Speaker 1: sing to him in the hospital. Back to the back 662 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: to back to where it all started. Vincent Hill, former 663 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 1: cop and now private investigator, Vincent Um, the Chicago police officers, 664 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: let's just go back to the beginning. Now, listen to 665 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: what they say. Because Chicago police say they were called 666 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: to a medical link and it's located over in East 667 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: Garfield Park neighborhood. Okay, they're called over there. After Lumar 668 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: reportedly yells and screams and actually threatens a doctor who 669 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: refuses to refill his cough medicine prescription, and then throws 670 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,359 Speaker 1: papers all over the floor. And this is the critical part, 671 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: says he would come back and shoot the place up. 672 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: All right, that's not good now, this is if this 673 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: is the right person, that's a problem. Now. Police actually 674 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,919 Speaker 1: let Lumar go without charges, but then just minutes later, 675 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: those very same officers arrest him. They stop him as 676 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: he's walking down the Street and arrest him because Lee 677 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: County authorities in western Illinois had issue to warrant over 678 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: an twenty five dollar payment in a misdemeanor traffic case 679 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: that occurred all the way back in two thousand fifteen. Now, 680 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: Lumar insisted he had paid the twenty five dollars, but 681 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: Lee County authorities did not withdraw the warrant. That's what 682 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: the lawsuit says. Chicago police contact to Lee County and 683 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: learned it carried a five hundred dollar bond. Now, the 684 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 1: way the system actually works is he could have posted 685 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: the fifty bucks Alexis was talking about and gone home. 686 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: He had a hundred thirty dollars on him, according to 687 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: the police report. But we don't know why cops put 688 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: him on an extradition hold, meaning he had to go 689 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: to lock up and wait for Lee County to pick 690 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: him up. That none of that makes sense. And then 691 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: the next day, while he's still in Cook County jail, 692 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: a Sheriff's pack officer finds a pack of crack near him, 693 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: near him, not on him. You know, when they check 694 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: you in, when you're booked, Vincent, they check you. They 695 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,640 Speaker 1: would have known if he had crack cocaine on him 696 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: at the time he went in Behi bars, wouldn't they 697 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: we not necessarily and Nantwy, I can't tell you how 698 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: many officers I've worked with personally that have missed things 699 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,720 Speaker 1: on searches. Yeah, I'm curious as to why they wouldn't 700 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,240 Speaker 1: have charged him with the threats he made to this doctor. 701 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: And and I'm more curious as to why this neighboring 702 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 1: county would even want to extradite for such a simple warrant. 703 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I've caught people in Nashville that were wanted 704 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: in California, but based on the nature of the warrant, 705 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: there was no extradition. So, you know, I really questioned 706 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,720 Speaker 1: why there was even this question about extradition for something 707 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 1: so minor. Uh, you know, I think there were some 708 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: breakdowns here that that could have prevented what happened. What 709 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: could have been Here's another wrinkle. Now I'm learning this 710 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: from his family's lawsuit, so this is coming from their 711 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: point of view. His lawyer, Eileen O'Connor stated last year, 712 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: security video shows another inmate removing the cocaine from his 713 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: shoe and tossing it next to Lumar. That's what she claims. 714 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: They also claim he had been searched eight times without 715 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,959 Speaker 1: finding any drugs. Now that is in their lawsuit where 716 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: they're accusing the Cook County Sheriff's office. I don't know 717 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: what's true or not. He was then later found hanging 718 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: by his own shirt. That's what happened. I know that 719 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,800 Speaker 1: part is true. The rest is a mystery. We're still 720 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: waiting for the full autopsy report to be released as 721 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,360 Speaker 1: we continue covering the case. What happened to Mr Lumar? 722 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,320 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Tyler Lumar's longtime girlfriend, the mother 723 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: of his daughter. It definitely like changed everyone's lives, but 724 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: mostly like Savannah's life. She went a good five how 725 00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: many months? Four months? Like I've only seen her dad 726 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: like a full times. So in a perfect world, yeah, 727 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: she is better. And I have to just believe that 728 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: God has planned for us all and there's it's his 729 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: will and it's the right will. Nancy Grace Crime Stories 730 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend. If you are a dedicated crime 731 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: fighter like myself or you're a crime junkie, go to 732 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: crime online dot com for all of the latest in 733 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: crime and justice. Amber Alerts, missing people alerts, Knews on 734 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: unsolved homicides and cold cases. I'll see you there, Crime 735 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: online dot Com by friend