WEBVTT - Episode 39: Help for the High Handicapper (Feat. Andrew Rice) 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.400 The guys from paying They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.120 much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.600 hit any shot I kind of want. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.520 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.640 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.680 Welcome back to the Pink proven Grounds podcast. I'm Shane Bacon. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.800 That is Marty Jerts and Marty. We're gonna tackle a 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.880 topic that I'm assuming people that listen to this podcast 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.560 are gonna be excited about today. I mean, who better 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.200 to chat about high handicap golf than us with Andrew Rice. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.960 Absolutely, Andrew's been an ambassador for us for a number 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.920 of years now, and I think, Shane, what what comes 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.480 back to me when I think of Andrew is when 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.839 we were in the archives with Rob Griffin, our historian, 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.400 and he said that Carston Solheim's mission was to help 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.720 the average golfer. Well, I think that, really, you know, 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.600 I think embodies Andrew and what he's what he's trying 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.440 to do on the teaching and coaching side. I could 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.279 be more excited to talk to him about it. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.560 Guys, Thanks so much, Andrew. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:00.480 When when you dive into the world a high handicap golf. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.720 I mean as somebody that is awful at instruction and 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:05.640 really doesn't have any idea of how to help any 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.200 golfer in the world. I try to help my buddies, 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.360 and it doesn't go so well. Where do you start, Like, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.560 what's the first step to someone that is struggling to 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.399 break one hundred or struggling to break ninety. 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.760 I think for me, you know, I regard the foundation 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.399 of golf as the hitting of the golf ball. I 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.479 often say to people, it's not that the short game 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.360 and putting doesn't matter, but if we're getting the ball 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.760 up and down and we're holding these twenty foot PUDs 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.479 for doubles and triples, that doesn't make a whole big 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.480 of a difference. And so it's really ultimately about the 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.400 hitting of the golf ball. I like to look at 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.520 the ball flight, what's the golf ball doing, how far 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.240 is it going, how high is it flying, how much 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.840 is it curving, and then back things up from there 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.960 and say, okay, let's talk. I like to interview my students, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.440 talk to them and say, tell me what's ailing, what's happening, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.480 what's going wrong, and how can I help you? To 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:59.840 start to have more joy out on the golf course. 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.400 That really what it's got to be all about. 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:03.240 I think Andrew is going to be one of my 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:08.120 first questions too, is what brings you? What kind of 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.640 motivates you to teach golfers every day? What brings you 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.160 the most joy or excitement when you wake up? I mean, 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.560 I've never seen you lack excitement and enthusiasm when you're 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.360 interacting with other teachers and then your students. What is 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.160 that motivating factor for you? 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.680 Party people are coming to me because there's invariably something 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.880 wrong and they're looking to leisure time. We all greatly 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.720 value our leisure time, and for most of us, golf 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.720 is a big part of that leisure time, and we 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.560 want to be able to go out there and take 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.760 advantage of that opportunity. We've got to be out enjoying 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.480 the game, and the better we play, the more fun 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.240 we have. And so I really want to help people, 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:52.000 just like I said earlier, enjoy themselves, have more joy 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.560 when they're out on the golf course. And you guys 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.959 both know it. If you're playing well, it's a lot 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:57.880 more fun out there. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.360 Yeah, I mean, it's just when I you know, I 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.200 think about when I'm struggling with my golf game, like 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:04.880 I'm currently in a bit of a funk with my 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.040 golf game right now, and you feel very lost, like 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.320 nothing really makes a lot of sense. And of course 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.960 the scary part is then your brain gets in the way. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.079 Right now you're thinking is it golf swing? Is it 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:15.880 my alignment? 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:16.680 You know? 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.400 I mean, I'm I hitting the right club? You start 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:22.400 to question everything when you have people approach you for 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.200 a first time. I'm assuming that all of those characteristics 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.480 are coming with them. It's like a lot of baggage, right, 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.600 I mean they've got two or three bags they're checking 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.119 on the flight. How do you a focus on bag 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.400 number one, which either is golf swing, brain, whatever the 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.240 case may be. And then what is a when from 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.280 a first lesson or a first experience with somebody that 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.960 comes your way, is it just clearing the clouds? Like 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.400 what is a victory for you off the bat? 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.200 One of the questions I ask all of my students 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.000 when I meet them for the first time, Shane, is 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.240 what would you be happy with walking off this lesson 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.760 tea today? And so they're going to tell me straight away, Okay, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.840 gives me insight as to what's ailing, what they're looking 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:07.080 to achieve, and I've linked over the years give them that, 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.640 do everything I can do to give them that, and 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:14.280 so what would they like to achieve? And then spend 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.839 our time together working towards that. If we've got extra 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.880 time and we can get that done very quickly, then 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.920 we're going to look at some other things that might 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.760 add to this cherry on the top, so to speak. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.560 But I really want to help them achieve their objective. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.839 It's oftentimes bullflight. They want to hit it longer, they 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.680 want to hit it higher, they want to hit it straighter, 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.640 they want to strike it better. And I'm going to 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.359 get them there and then do what I can to 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.400 provide them with the tools necessary so they can start 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.080 to revisit that space more often. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:49.600 Andrew, how has golf instruction changed since you first got 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:54.480 into it? I think you kind of I admired before 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.400 we got to know each other, seeing how you were 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.880 an early adopter of track Man using it to do 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.920 research projects. Quite frankly, when it first came out, it 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.200 was a fancy tool, and the golf instruction they kind 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:11.360 of out crowdsourced the you know, research projects to golf instructors. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:15.160 You latched onto that early and did some research with it. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:20.599 How has tools and technology track Man, for example, maybe 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.200 some more contemporary tools change your approach to teaching. What 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.560 has that kind of journey or evolution been like for 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:27.240 you already? 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.880 A lot of teachers will say, well, so and so, 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.240 Butch Harmon was my mentor. David Ledbetter was my mentor, 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.120 and I suddenly started teaching working for David Ledbetter. I 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:42.240 would have to say that golf technology most importantly, track 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.720 Man was my mentor in that it taught me what 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.760 causes the ball to fly a certain way and what 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.320 numbers to look for. And I know this might sound 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.039 a little technical, but it really isn't. I look at 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.960 track Man as a great field machine, a great piece 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:04.159 of field generating technology, and so I use track Man 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.000 early on to gain some insight as to what causes 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.799 the ball to make that great sound, fly that beautiful 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.200 little tight draw, what are the numbers that are affiliated 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.240 with that? And if I've got a student and there 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.280 are long ways away from that, we're almost always trying 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.960 to neutralize what they're doing and work them back to 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.400 a straight or ball flight. A more appropriate trajectory, and 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.279 we don't want anything to extreme. And so track Man 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.760 that teaching technology has been really integral for me as 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.000 a teacher to teach me what really matters. It's not 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:39.039 so much the look of the golf swing. It's far 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:43.599 more about the function of the golf swing. And I 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.520 think of Jim Furick and Aim and Dorcy and some 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:50.839 of those classic unique golf swings. Kelvin Pete and those 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.880 players could really make the ball sound great, fly straight 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:58.840 down towards their target, and that's ultimately what we're looking for. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.160 It shouldn't necessarily be about trying to get every golfer 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.000 to look like Adam Scott. I want everyone's different, everybody's unique. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.840 You guys are both fantastic players. I was thinking, if 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.640 there ever is a podcast open where they invite two 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.240 players for each podcast, I know where I'm going to 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.560 put my money. You guys would be a pretty strong 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:21.600 squad there. But just to give people some insights as 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.240 to how can you take your golf swing and start 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.120 to use what you do to hit better shots. That 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.560 doesn't have to be this revamp. You don't have to 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.520 build this beautiful Adam Scott looking golf swing. It can 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:38.040 be with what you have, just perhaps a little change 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.880 out address, some ball position, maybe even some equipment upgrades 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.440 to get that ball starting to obey what you're trying 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:46.040 to get it to do. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.240 Yeah, Andrew, it's a great point, because the idea of 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.760 an overhaul to the golf swing for an adult golfer, 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.480 you know, somebody that's got a job and they've got 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.600 a day, a weekly game they play, and they've got kids, 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.320 they've got a family. The idea of a complete overall, 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.320 which maybe some golfers need, is very intimidated and quite frankly, 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.080 something most people are not going to be that interested in. 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.720 So you have to almost push that to the side 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:16.000 and focus on very very small tweaks to help a 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.000 golfer out, and that is not a very easy thing 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.400 to do. One thing I do find so interesting I've 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.600 already already mentioned it is attitude is such an important 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.840 part of instruction. I mean, if you show up to 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.240 the first t and you're in a bad mood, or 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.360 you're not having a great day, or you don't seem 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.080 like you want to be there, then the player is 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.800 not going to get adequate advice or at least what 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.319 they feel like they're paying to get and you seem 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.319 like someone that brings the positivity, you know, brings kind 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.959 of an upbeat personality to that first tee and at 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.200 the same time understands that not everybody's showing up is 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.400 down to change their entire golf swing like Tiger did 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.079 five times. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.600 Correct, correct, what you know, Tiger, what Tiger is? We 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:01.600 all know this amazing and he is here's the outlier, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.800 exactly right, exactly right. And so people would love to 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.440 have the ability to do what Tiger has done on 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.360 multiple occasions. But that thing called life gets in the way, 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.000 and it's family and its work, and it's I've only 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.000 got so much time that I can dedicate towards golf. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.840 Give me what you can so that I can fit 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.240 that into my little window, my little golf window. I 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.320 can go out and practice, maybe even hit fifteen balls 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.880 before I go out to play. What can I feel 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.120 and think and maybe do something at home in front 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.080 of the mirror to start to help me hit some 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:35.840 better shots. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.000 And got it. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.679 It's taken a long time, but I think I finally 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.560 realize why you look at all those golf digests and 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.400 golf dot Com top teacher lists, and there's not a 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.480 lot of twenty five year old teachers on the list. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.800 And I realize why, because it just takes a long 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.240 time to be able to interpret and understand people, not 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.960 so much golf swings, but just people. And I'm going 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.320 to talk and I'm going to ask my students questions 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.560 and hopefully that's going to give me some insight as 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.199 to who they are and what's going to help them 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.840 and how I can best help them. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.080 Marty, I was thinking about this in terms of ping 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.120 and a lot of the technology that we've talked about 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.240 on this podcast, because something you've done such a great 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.600 job with, you know, so many of the tools and 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.760 AI and things like that, is to try to get 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.200 people to feel comfortable making a change without having to 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.160 go to the golf course and change it on the 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.319 range or on the golf course, or spend those months 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.680 maybe even introducing to equipment, you know, via the popularity 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.360 of the seven wood or the crossovers booming popularity over 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.240 the last few years. The technology that you've worked so 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.079 hard on has made this easier for golfers to feel 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.360 more comfortable just putting a new golf club in their bag. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.960 Yeah, I mean, I think that's a magical thing, Shane. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.080 When you can go out and let's say golfers never 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.840 hit a seven wood, they hear about it on the podcast, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.240 they see tour players using it, they go get one. 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.280 They can make their same swing with those characteristics and 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.720 trades to start hitting good shots immediately. I think that's 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.080 our own way of kind of bringing some immediate joy 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:11.040 into this game. Andrew, on the topic of equipment, what 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:14.040 are some because you see a lot of folks come 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.840 through through your clinics and your schools that you do, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.480 and you have seen you've one of your biggest roles 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.560 with us as a brand ambassadors to represent the people. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.920 And what are you seeing out there in terms of 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.280 what does their bag look like? What are some equipment 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.640 mistakes they are making? And then you know we can 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.559 design into those gaps or better message those gaps fit 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.920 those gaps. What are some big mistakes you see common 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.520 mistakes you see in the high handicaper everyday golfers golf bags. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.720 Right now, Marty, I must say, over the last few years, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.000 I think you guys have done an excellent job in 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.679 getting longer irons out of golfers bags. That's a great thing. 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.000 They've been replaced with some nice hybrids that can help 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:57.880 the bull get up in the air. But I must 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:03.160 say I still see three woods. I still see, in 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:08.240 my opinion, too many three woods, and the average golfer, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:12.640 a certainly male golfer out there. Lady golfers most often 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.280 do not need a three wood, but the average male 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:17.640 almost feels like they need to be a man and 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.760 they need to I need a three wood, you know, 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:21.760 Give me a driver and a three wood. I'll have 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.400 some other things beyond that. But far too many golfers 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.360 still have three woods in their bag. And that's a 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.480 load line drive type ballflight. And I just see golfers 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.840 getting so much more out of You mentioned the seven 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.480 out of the five, perhaps something they can get up 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.240 in the air. And I still see far too many 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.960 golfers with that traditional fifteen degree three wood that they're 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.319 trying to hit off the deck and really not having 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:47.959 much joy with. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.200 Shane, we have some very interesting data on that, so 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.079 Andrew brings up the three wood. We mind our Arcos 0:12:55.160 --> 0:13:00.160 data and found that golfers who hit the ball hit 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.600 their driver two hundred and fifty yards hit the threewood 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.240 off the tee fifty percent of the time and off 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.480 the ground fifty percent of the time. But Andrew, if 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.520 you hit your driver two hundred yards, you're hitting your 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.240 three wood or your lowest lofted fairrywood eighty percent of 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.320 the time off the ground twenty percent off the tee. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.520 But if you drive it three hundred you hit it 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.040 eighty percent of the time off the tee and twenty 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.679 percent of the time off the ground. So I think, 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.520 you know, we use that in fitting because if you're 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.080 a fast clubbed speed player, you want to focus on 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.440 your three wood more as a t shot club. You're saying, 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.800 you're seeing the everyday golfer hit you know what, need 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.240 to play a three wood, and we know the data 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.800 shows they need that thing getting off the ground very 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.760 easily eighty percent of the time, right. 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:50.439 Yeah, yeah, I would if you can perhaps work some magic, Marty, 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.400 and please build this amazing fairway wood club. You can 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.640 even put a big giant three on the bottom, say 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.800 everyone feels good, but just give it like a five 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:01.959 or seven. Would love to shoot that thing up in 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:03.920 the air. That would be awesome. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.319 Yeah, I mean, just the approach shots. I mean, you 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.240 know you're hitting shots into par fours, and I mean 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.720 you're hitting these, you know, in theory, hitting a fairywood 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:12.480 on a lot of par threes. I mean, why not 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.360 make that easier on yourself versus having to absolutely make 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:17.640 the perfect swing with the three wood? 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.720 For sure. Yeah, and I think our sft andrews a 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.200 great option there. You know, by a standard loft sixteen degrees, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.880 you can obviously tweak it up with the sleeve turns 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.000 over a little bit easier. But yeah, we've been doing 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.880 some things to make our fairwoods get up in the 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.680 air a lot easier, moving the center of gravity lower, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.640 et cetera. But I'm so glad you highlighted that that 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.840 three wood is an area as we've seen recently last 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.120 five years, probably as a trend, more folks being comfortable 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:47.560 getting those long irons out of their back. 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.720 Yeah, and I really do think I think golph is 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.520 starting to be okay with, particularly the man golf is 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.400 that I teach, they're starting to be okay with something 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.560 with more loft as they're primary fairway would But there's 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.960 still so many people out there who believe they've got 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.160 to get a driver and a three wood, and that 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:09.120 really isn't the. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.480 Case Andrew, you mentioned equipment and a big mistake that 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.960 high handicappers make in terms of their equipment. What would 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.240 you say is the number one thing you feel like 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:23.200 high handicappers struggle with that is almost consistent throughout people 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.520 that come to see you. What's the is it? Is 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.080 it alignment? Is it not understanding their own distances? What 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.240 do you feel like is the number one thing you 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.880 almost see every single time you have a higher handicap 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:34.400 come your way. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.920 The universal thing. I'm glad you asked this question, Shane. 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.360 I think it's a goodie. The universal thing is how 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.160 far do I hit the golf ball? And I love 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.600 you know, I'll have someone on track, man and they've 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.840 hit five or six seven irons, and I'll go, so, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:52.520 how far do you normally hit a seven itro And 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.320 I'm looking at the real data, and they go, uh, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:59.040 one sixty five? And I know that I swing, you know, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.040 ten to fifty miles an hour faster than them, and 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:05.680 my carry with a seven iron is like one sixty four, 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.440 and yet they hit it one sixty five. And I'm going, oh, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.360 that's weird, because I've just seen you carry your best 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.680 one carried one thirty eight, and I think it's twofold. 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:22.960 Number one is golfers seem to have latched onto how 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.360 far they hit a seven nine in a total capacity, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:31.160 what the land plus role is and total is dependent 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.600 on course conditions. The golfer is responsible for the carry, 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.920 the golf course is responsible for the total, and I'd 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.880 love for golfers to start to get a better idea 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:46.360 as to what the actual carry number is. It might 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.200 be a hard pill to swallow, I know that, but 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.800 you will play better golf. And ultimately you're listening to 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.160 this because you might want to pick up a nugget 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.760 or two to help you play better golf. Find out 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.200 what your carry numbers are first and then second, and 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.600 let's get rid of the ego. Let's we know that 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.800 back in nineteen ninety one you used to hit a 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:12.199 seven arn a lot further. But today is today, and 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.240 we're happy to be playing golf. If you can have 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.800 a carry number that is accurate, you cannot help but 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.680 play better golf. And we all know this. If golfers 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.200 can start to hit more greens, they simply have to 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.680 score lower. They have to have more fun out there. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.560 Oh, Andrew, I absolutely love that and that's what the 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.840 you know, I think we hear and when I've played 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.840 in tour events, it's all about that carry number, like 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:39.960 you know, where do you want that ball to pitch? 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.919 That's absolutely what you can control. I love that. I 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.000 think a couple of tools out there for the listener 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.960 that they can use. One, you can measure your actual 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.560 tendencies on course with a tool like our ghost number one, 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.160 and that's been really fun to showcase. Andrew, we've seen 0:17:58.200 --> 0:17:59.840 some of all the data. I'm sure you've seen it 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:03.159 for your individual students are on the big data of 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.760 what percentage of the time golfers come up short on 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.679 the golf course, right and it with their irons. It 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:09.240 is a party. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:10.680 Do you have a number on it? Do you have 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:11.879 an idea of what the number is? 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:13.639 Well, it's just kind of a heat map, and I 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.160 guess for the listener out there, maybe picture the shape 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.320 of like a pair, you know, where the pin is 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.359 at the top and the rest of the heat map 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.399 is down there underneath. That's kind of what it looks 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.800 like for everybody, you know. So that's a fun one. 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.720 And then number two, Shame with our gaping app and 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.920 co pilot are folks who come in and get fit. 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.840 This is kind of an unintended consequence of that tool 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.919 is we give you a projected carry distance of all 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.320 your clubs, and we have our folks can can come 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.760 get fit and use that copilot and they get their 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.679 carry distances and then you can go play golf and 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.040 double check them. But Andrew, that's a way we can 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.920 really help that golfer without them having to go because 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.480 it takes a long time to go do it full 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.800 gaping and hit all your clubs and enough good shots. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.080 We can kind of calculate that estimate. That forum has 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:02.240 been super duper helpful. 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.159 That is massive. And to me, Marty, that's like the 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:06.240 low hanging fruit. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:06.560 You know. 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.520 That makes my job as an instructor easier. I'm helping 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.480 my students save strokes without really changing their golf swing 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.200 at all. It's just let's get a better understanding, let's 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.920 get some good accurate information, and you can straight away 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.120 go out for the next round you play. You can 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.600 start to hit more greens, save some strokes. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.640 Yeah, Andrew, this is one of my biggest complaints about 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.000 golfers in general, is you spend so much of your 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.040 life focused on the game of golf, whether it be 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:36.680 you know, wanting to travel with your buddies and play 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.680 golf trips, or you're grinding to get that handicapped down. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.359 Yet you don't really understand anything about your own golf game. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:45.879 And this goes through a couple things we've talked about, 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:50.840 a equipment understanding what best is for you, and it's 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.720 maddening running into people that aren't getting fit routinely for 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.720 golf equipment because again, you're investing so much your life. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.600 I mean, imagine a country club membership. You know, you're 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.800