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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, December twenty ninth. Good morning, afternoon whenever
Speaker 1: you're listening to this. This is Cowboys Break. I am
Speaker 1: your host for the day, David Hellman, because I told
Speaker 1: the birthday boy I would do it for him so
Speaker 1: he could go out and have fun. Last night, Derek,
Speaker 1: we didn't wish you a happy birthday. Yes, it's fun.
Speaker 1: We feel really gilt, seriously, it is. We're not happy
Speaker 1: about Here's the thing. I went over to Dave and
Speaker 1: I said, Man, we really effed up something bad, yeah, Nick,
Speaker 1: And Nick scared me a little bit and he was like,
Speaker 1: what what happens? Usually the usually when I say something
Speaker 1: to Dave, I think it's his kind of general thing
Speaker 1: to be like nah, kind of a contrarian, like like
Speaker 1: it's not that bad or don't worry about it, whatever,
Speaker 1: when I said that was like, we didn't say anything
Speaker 1: about Derek's birthday. He was like, damn it, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: we're bad people. No, it's it's honestly fun. It's honestly fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know your heart, so you have you had a
Speaker 1: good birthday. I did have a good birthday, Dinna. We
Speaker 1: got some good food and hung out. You are in
Speaker 1: your Jason Witton rookie training came in the forties, barely
Speaker 1: hanging into the forties. Forty nine. One more, one more
Speaker 1: rotation from the other and I will be at fifty.
Speaker 1: Forget our other jersey numbers. I mean, we always always
Speaker 1: throw that out today, But where is the episode of No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't care about that, and we're not We're not
Speaker 1: going to do that today because no, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: do that today. I'm hosting. But I would in lou
Speaker 1: in lieu of the Number Talk tomorrow, in lieu of
Speaker 1: the Number Talk, I did think it would be cool
Speaker 1: to ask you guys, and I can do it too.
Speaker 1: But y'all have y'all have been around the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: been around the NFL so much longer than me. Give me,
Speaker 1: give me your thoughts and memories on John Madden, give
Speaker 1: me something. Just stick's got a good story? I got
Speaker 1: a good story. Icon gets overused these days, but I
Speaker 1: there there's not a person more befitting of that term
Speaker 1: than John Madden. You know, I said this, Well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna post like a gut feeling type thing
Speaker 1: here later about just people's thoughts and memories. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you're said it best. I mean, legend, goat icon, We
Speaker 1: say it all the time. What's your definitions different than
Speaker 1: than other people's. But the picture that I kind of
Speaker 1: painted here, it's, you know, kind of a hypothetical thing.
Speaker 1: Twelve year old son, forty five year old dad, seventy
Speaker 1: five year old Grandpaul, sitting in the room talking about Madden.
Speaker 1: They all got something. You know, I played Madden. I
Speaker 1: beat this one kid down the street. Whatever. Oh well,
Speaker 1: I remember when you know, Pat, some are old watching
Speaker 1: games and then seven year olds like, yeah, he was
Speaker 1: the Raiders, a great head coach. And that's what a
Speaker 1: legend is to me, is somebody that just spans all
Speaker 1: that time in whatever way you want to say. He
Speaker 1: was a contributor, He was everything. He was larger than life.
Speaker 1: I mean he was he was the NFL. Yeah, John
Speaker 1: Madden made football fun when I was a kid, Like
Speaker 1: he was the guy that you know, the boom in
Speaker 1: the band, like it. He made football fun and for
Speaker 1: a kid. And then of course obviously, and I think
Speaker 1: I've played every Madden in the history of Madden, in
Speaker 1: the Madden Game, and like it was a part of
Speaker 1: my college experience. Literally every day, me and my my
Speaker 1: buddies we played matt and they were like it was
Speaker 1: a lot of trash talk and we had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun around that game. And so, like you said,
Speaker 1: like they're all those different you know, watching football, playing
Speaker 1: Madden there, he was everywhere. He was always a part
Speaker 1: of it. And I was telling you earlier, like there
Speaker 1: was probably nobody better if you can think about all
Speaker 1: the guys that were around the game at that time
Speaker 1: that had the personality and the understanding of the game
Speaker 1: that you could put together to make what he made.
Speaker 1: That's why he was so special in my opinion, Like
Speaker 1: he was entertaining, but he knew the game in a
Speaker 1: really really and he brought the game to you in
Speaker 1: a really interesting way, which made him unique. And that's
Speaker 1: why the game fits for somebody like him. It's a real.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many bummers about COVID, but like
Speaker 1: we don't see the TV cruise anymore, you know, like
Speaker 1: you usually like whatever network has it, so like you know,
Speaker 1: Aaron and Troy and Joe would come out on like
Speaker 1: a Friday or collins Worth and al Michael's is here
Speaker 1: all the time where he was before COVID, and it
Speaker 1: like you definitely you got a sense for how big
Speaker 1: the game was when you saw them show up, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm here, like, do y'all have any stories about
Speaker 1: that with Matt Yea I used to be at Valley Ranch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funny to me. I want to hear your stories.
Speaker 1: But like I was thinking about this last night, I
Speaker 1: think televised football is so much more normal now than
Speaker 1: it was when Madden was in his Hey you know,
Speaker 1: so like there's eighteen channels, every station has like six crews,
Speaker 1: and so it just doesn't feel as big as it
Speaker 1: probably used to. You're like, oh my god, Madden's on
Speaker 1: our game this week, you know what I mean? Or
Speaker 1: like for me, I told Brad Sham this story, it
Speaker 1: was Verne Lunkquist for me, like SEC football. That's why
Speaker 1: I just like Verne's voice was in my house every Saturday,
Speaker 1: and I actually I had the chance to meet him,
Speaker 1: and I like, I fell apart. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. I was like, you're the voice of my childhood.
Speaker 1: And Verne was like, please don't say that, Like I
Speaker 1: don't want to be told that I'm that old anyway,
Speaker 1: But yeah, and so I just I don't think it's
Speaker 1: the same these days, where like because just say, every
Speaker 1: game gets to be teleias and that didn't used to
Speaker 1: be the case. So anyway, I would love to hear
Speaker 1: yeah for for me, and um, it was it was
Speaker 1: like you said, it was a Monday night game, so
Speaker 1: they were here like on Saturday. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: was a Valley Ranch, um, And I don't know why
Speaker 1: I was in the building. It was something I had
Speaker 1: to go in there. And it was a ghost town
Speaker 1: on a Saturday. And I was walking through the halls
Speaker 1: and have you ever been to Valley Ranch? If you
Speaker 1: were walking too fast around the hall, you can you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was confusing l out ever and uh, And I
Speaker 1: was turning the corner and all of a sudden, John
Speaker 1: Madden was turning the corner at the same time, and
Speaker 1: I had to stop. And this is like nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: so I was a few lbs ago for me, um
Speaker 1: and um, I had to stop and like whoa. I
Speaker 1: think he did a like a like a whoa. You
Speaker 1: know what was that? It's coming down? Yeah? And he uh,
Speaker 1: he was like whoa. And I was like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: excuse me, apologizing whatever. He never even looked up. He
Speaker 1: just kind of kept walking and he just he just
Speaker 1: said out loud, didn't even turn around or anything. He
Speaker 1: just goes, you would have lost that battle. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: by like never stopped or anything. It was basically it's
Speaker 1: the nicest way you could say, get that out of
Speaker 1: my way. But he wasn't. He wasn't gonna you know,
Speaker 1: he had done putting his foot in the ground and
Speaker 1: stopping and all that. He was just moving and you
Speaker 1: could just imagine his voice saying that, like yeah, you
Speaker 1: have lost that. And and I was in that like
Speaker 1: is this cool? Like oh my, it's John Madden, you know.
Speaker 1: And you you have a moment like that too, or
Speaker 1: like oh that's the thing about working around here, and Dave,
Speaker 1: you've seen it over the years. There there are these
Speaker 1: moments we talked about it all the time. You'll be
Speaker 1: sitting in your office and Roger stopback walks by. Like
Speaker 1: it's just those kind of moments, And it was probably
Speaker 1: one of the first wow, I got a cool job
Speaker 1: moments I ever had working for the Cowboys. I was
Speaker 1: at Valley Ranch. It's gonna seem a little weird, but
Speaker 1: I was in the restroom. I finished doing my business
Speaker 1: and I was washing my hands and door opens and
Speaker 1: walks this big guys, John Madden, and he's like, how
Speaker 1: you doing. And I'm like, hey, hey, and I'm just
Speaker 1: like I almost almost don't know. Yeah, I almost don't
Speaker 1: know what to say because I'm just like, that's John
Speaker 1: freaking Madden. Like I played your video, like this is
Speaker 1: John Madden. But you know you're kind of going about you.
Speaker 1: He's going on about his business, going on bout my business,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like walking out of the restroom, like, man,
Speaker 1: this is a really really cool job. Which I know
Speaker 1: that it was the one by where the loft, you know,
Speaker 1: the loft, that little that little small restroom over there is.
Speaker 1: It wasn't John Madden, obviously he was retired by the
Speaker 1: time I started here, But um, I got I got
Speaker 1: hired in April, which is like that there's nothing happening
Speaker 1: in the offseason, and at Valley Ranch, like we're tucked
Speaker 1: away in the back. You could go weeks without seeing anybody.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't even know you worked for a football team.
Speaker 1: It's just a regular office job. But like, probably two
Speaker 1: months after I started, I went to use the bathroom
Speaker 1: over by the executive wing and just I just happened
Speaker 1: to be in that part of the building. And you
Speaker 1: do this a million times in your life, but you
Speaker 1: opened the door and somebody's coming out and going in,
Speaker 1: and you kind of you do that like shuffle where
Speaker 1: you're like which one of us is getting on the
Speaker 1: way because these a small restrooms. Yeah, I couldn't have
Speaker 1: been here for more than two months. And I did
Speaker 1: that with Jerry Jones, and I just like I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to say. I don't think i'd ever met
Speaker 1: him before, and he's like you, and I just like
Speaker 1: I was shell shocked for the rest of the afternoon.
Speaker 1: He's got his own bathroom. Did he does I don't
Speaker 1: know what to tell you. Did he say anything to you?
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing about Jerry, Like Jared, we will
Speaker 1: stalk up a conversation with anybody. It was he runs.
Speaker 1: I mean I think we did the whole like well,
Speaker 1: like let me get out of your way there, or
Speaker 1: like excuse me, and he just kept going that same bathroom.
Speaker 1: It was funny, we're telling bathroom story, that same bathroom.
Speaker 1: I walked in there one time. Sean Payton was the
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator back then, and he said the term I've
Speaker 1: never really heard before, but you know, coaches have their
Speaker 1: own lingo. He was like, uh, don't go in there.
Speaker 1: All the buckets are full and us buckets wonderful. It
Speaker 1: was like cool, like you got the message though, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just like the buckets are full of thanks.
Speaker 1: And on that note, we will take our first break,
Speaker 1: and before we do that, when we come back, though,
Speaker 1: you can think about it in the break. I want
Speaker 1: to know what everyone's favorite Madden like video game term,
Speaker 1: because you know, he always said something in their memorable
Speaker 1: in there. You know what I'm talking about, just like
Speaker 1: maddenisms basically, yeah, maddenisms, but you know they were part
Speaker 1: of the game because he had to say him in
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, all right, I will think about
Speaker 1: this and we will get back to it. We do
Speaker 1: have Bucky Brooks. We do have Bucky Brooks. We we
Speaker 1: are actually going to talk about We are into a
Speaker 1: Cowboys huge game against the Cardinals, but we'll take time
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Speaker 1: to the Break. Thank you for that. Nick. I'm Dave
Speaker 1: Derek Nick with me, and we've got our buddy. Speaking
Speaker 1: of week, is it? It's week seventeen, seventeen seventeen weeks
Speaker 1: of having our buddy Bucky Brooks here to help us
Speaker 1: preview the opponent. We did Arizona Offense yesterday, we got
Speaker 1: Arizona Defense today, and Bucky, this happens for me all
Speaker 1: the time. We're like, you don't have time to look
Speaker 1: into the minutia of these matchups until we're going to
Speaker 1: talk to you, And I like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like I don't. I guess what I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: is I don't know like the identity of this defense.
Speaker 1: But I look at it and I feel like they
Speaker 1: should be getting a little bit more hype for the
Speaker 1: way they've played this season. Why is it that they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not getting hype because the attention is always on
Speaker 1: their offense Cala Murray Cliff Kings where he naturally makes
Speaker 1: it the biggest storyline. But the defense was really the
Speaker 1: part of the reason why they got off to such
Speaker 1: a fast start. They were able to lock people down,
Speaker 1: were playing a very aggressive style where they were blissing
Speaker 1: all over and they're young guys were making a ton
Speaker 1: of players Isaiah Simmons and Zach Collins and those guys
Speaker 1: Zaman Collins, they were making a ton of plays. And
Speaker 1: so what you're having now is with the offense struggling,
Speaker 1: more pressure on the defense to kind of make things happening.
Speaker 1: In the defense is still playing well, but because the
Speaker 1: offense has drove off so much, the focuses on the
Speaker 1: offense and offensive struggles. As I was looking through some
Speaker 1: of the numbers Bucky, I noticed that there was a
Speaker 1: stark difference in the points that they were allowing in
Speaker 1: the first seven games. In the first seven games they
Speaker 1: allowed sixteen points per game on average, and they were
Speaker 1: seven and oh. Since then, that number has jumped to
Speaker 1: twenty four points a game that they're allowing allowing and
Speaker 1: now they're three and they were three and five in
Speaker 1: those eight games. What do you think is to read
Speaker 1: the biggest reason for the more points that they're allowing.
Speaker 1: I know you talked about how the offense hasn't been
Speaker 1: playing up to par, but has that affected the defense
Speaker 1: or there are things that other teams have figured out
Speaker 1: about this defense weakness? Is that maybe they're exploiting over
Speaker 1: those last eight games. Well, you know, the season is
Speaker 1: a marathon, and one of the things about the season
Speaker 1: being so long is that you have to continue to
Speaker 1: evolve what you're doing, because if you think you can
Speaker 1: do one thing at the beginning of the year, it
Speaker 1: has to change by the end of the year after
Speaker 1: that film circulates. So earlier in the year they were
Speaker 1: bringing pressure from everywhere. What people finally saw that they
Speaker 1: got a hold of that they started having success, and
Speaker 1: then a copycat league, people begin to copy strategies that
Speaker 1: work against you, and so the Cardinals have had to
Speaker 1: continue to adapt. They've had to continue to try and
Speaker 1: tweak and change the deal has happened. The offenses inefficiencies
Speaker 1: has put the defense on the field more and teams
Speaker 1: have been able to exploit that. Looking at the Cowboys
Speaker 1: running game, you know, it's weird to look at these
Speaker 1: guys like Zeke to have thirty yards forty yards and
Speaker 1: to think he's playing much better. But is it? Is
Speaker 1: that the way you see it as well? Like you
Speaker 1: can just kind of see that these guys are running
Speaker 1: the ball. Him and Pollard are running it better, even
Speaker 1: though the yards don't necessarily suggest that. Well, I think
Speaker 1: for both guys it's to return to hell, and so
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to judge them on their productivity.
Speaker 1: You kind of have to do the eye test. I
Speaker 1: think in that game against Washington, you saw that both
Speaker 1: of them had a little more juice, a little more explosiveness,
Speaker 1: and that leads to believe that they're going to play
Speaker 1: better down the stretch. I do wonder and I kind
Speaker 1: of talked about this with DeMarcus Lawrence and five Bucks
Speaker 1: about load management. How DeMarcus Lawrence, the best thing that
Speaker 1: might have happened is he didn't play for about five
Speaker 1: or six games and he comes back and he looks
Speaker 1: like a different player. I think the same thing could
Speaker 1: be true for Pollard and Zeke as they get healthy
Speaker 1: going down the stretch. The Cowboys offense could benefit from
Speaker 1: them being maybe a little fresher and healthier in the
Speaker 1: postseason as opposed to them being fatigued and so them
Speaker 1: sharing the load where so many buys, even Clement coming in,
Speaker 1: are touching the ball. It may certainly help them as
Speaker 1: they get into the postseason tournament and they're able to
Speaker 1: increase the workload for Paula Nzike in that tournament. I'm
Speaker 1: curious the Cowboys. They're definitely trying to get Tyrn Smith back.
Speaker 1: We'll see if he actually plays in this game. But again,
Speaker 1: you just look at the stats, Chandler Jones and Marcus
Speaker 1: Golden having very successful seasons, But then you look at
Speaker 1: it and they kind of seem like feast or famine players.
Speaker 1: I mean, Chandler Jones had five of his nine sacks
Speaker 1: in Week one. Marcus Golden has had two or three
Speaker 1: multi sack games and a lot of zero sack games.
Speaker 1: So how do you see that matchup, Like, are these
Speaker 1: guys capable of wrecking a game or or is it
Speaker 1: kind of smoking mirrors to you? Oldipis will kill them
Speaker 1: Moore and how he approaches it. If they're heating it
Speaker 1: up and they're bringing pressure, the ball has to come
Speaker 1: out of Dak Prescott's hands right away, and so they
Speaker 1: have to have a plan where they have enough quick
Speaker 1: rhythm throws to get it out to offset the pressure
Speaker 1: with quickness, screen game and that other stuff. But if
Speaker 1: he's going to and shrug Dak Prescott, they have these
Speaker 1: five and seven step drops against overmatch tackles, then give
Speaker 1: me problematic. So a lot of it is by feel,
Speaker 1: see where the game looks like the first quarter, doors
Speaker 1: guys having under control. If they have it under control,
Speaker 1: then a opery business as usual. But if they've given problems,
Speaker 1: what's the answer. And I think that's the big thing
Speaker 1: for a coordinator. It's not only what you have for
Speaker 1: planing A, but what is plan B if the defense
Speaker 1: shows you something that's not prepared for you. We've been
Speaker 1: talking a lot this week about the possibility of Tyren
Speaker 1: Smith coming back, and we've kind of had I think,
Speaker 1: on this show at least there's kind of this general
Speaker 1: consensus that if it were up to us, we might
Speaker 1: sit tying another week or two and maybe having ready
Speaker 1: for the playoffs and not risk the fact that there's
Speaker 1: more that he gets another injury before the playoffs. That
Speaker 1: being said, looking at a guy like Still and Dave
Speaker 1: just talked about Marcus Golden and Chandler Jones would still
Speaker 1: be able if would you have trepidation if they were
Speaker 1: going to go that route of putting Steele out there
Speaker 1: against those pass rushers or do you feel like this
Speaker 1: is a game where you really need tying because you've
Speaker 1: got such skilled pass rushers out there. You know, it's
Speaker 1: all apart, Like it's weird, right because the Cowboys in
Speaker 1: a situation where they don't know where they're going to finish,
Speaker 1: and so because the seeding is still up in the air,
Speaker 1: you don't know how to play the last week of
Speaker 1: the season. If you're going to play Tarmer Smith, I
Speaker 1: normally would say playing this week can rest him next week.
Speaker 1: You want to give him some game action, but you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to play all those guys the week
Speaker 1: before you have to play a playoff game that increases
Speaker 1: in physicality, intensity, and speed. Look, he's a veteran, so
Speaker 1: he could play in the postseason without any work. I
Speaker 1: would like to get him a little bit of work
Speaker 1: before we did it, because I think it's tough to
Speaker 1: go from kind of sitting on the couch to then
Speaker 1: playing a playoff game where the speed is even different
Speaker 1: than what it is in the regular season. Bucky, We've
Speaker 1: asked that, We've talked about it here already on the show,
Speaker 1: and anybody that's been around in the NFL for a
Speaker 1: while has some kind of memories or connection to John Madden,
Speaker 1: I'd like to see what your memories are with with
Speaker 1: coach Madden, or broadcaster, or video game or all the above,
Speaker 1: all the above. So it was funny, it was listening
Speaker 1: you got stories. My story is very similar. Like in college,
Speaker 1: Madden was everything, And I remember sitting in the dorm
Speaker 1: room and in my room, we used to have a
Speaker 1: bucket because we said time is money, So if you're
Speaker 1: going to waste my time challenging me on the game,
Speaker 1: gonna donate to the fun. So we were playing, so
Speaker 1: we would So we were played. We were playing for
Speaker 1: like dollars and stuff like that, playing the game. But
Speaker 1: it's not only the game. The game was like a
Speaker 1: vehicle to bond yes your guys, whether it's football guys
Speaker 1: or guys in the dorm. It was kind of the
Speaker 1: main attraction to bring guys together. And I think the
Speaker 1: generation going forward always has Dad to lean back on
Speaker 1: because it's been a connector. So many of our friendships
Speaker 1: have been strengthened because of the time that we shared
Speaker 1: on the sticks. And so it's funny that we associate
Speaker 1: all of this stuff with the game, and John Madden
Speaker 1: is certainly the centerpiece of it. I'm curious about that
Speaker 1: because if you played it in college and then you
Speaker 1: played in the NFL, like, were you you were in
Speaker 1: the game? Did you did you play? I mean, was
Speaker 1: it weird to be in the game or that were
Speaker 1: you in the game? Or the Madden game like one
Speaker 1: of those games that happened to have a bit appearance
Speaker 1: in the game. I don't know if my rating was
Speaker 1: worth anything, but I think what's always funny about those games,
Speaker 1: and like now when I look at it is it
Speaker 1: was always a big deal when the game would come
Speaker 1: out and everyone would go and see what the ratings
Speaker 1: are and your teammates arguing about the ratings, and now
Speaker 1: that the ratings evolve and change, it's like a big deal.
Speaker 1: And even like because now I'm on the game and
Speaker 1: the franchise mode, like offering scouting takes and tips and
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's just amazing how the franchise has grown
Speaker 1: and watching so many people consume it. So look for
Speaker 1: all the great things that he did as a coach.
Speaker 1: I think part of the legendary stuff is what he
Speaker 1: did as a broadcast and really the video game, because
Speaker 1: you're talking about being a legend and leaving a legacy.
Speaker 1: The video game is a legacy that will go on forever.
Speaker 1: All right, Bucky, we're on a short week because we're
Speaker 1: not doing a show on the holiday, so we gotta
Speaker 1: get and you know, it's it's been easy to make
Speaker 1: predictions for like a month because they've been playing bums
Speaker 1: so well. I mean, give me what you got for
Speaker 1: what should be I think probably the best game of
Speaker 1: the weekend. Yeah, now, this is the best game of
Speaker 1: the weekend. And the danger is they got to make
Speaker 1: sure that they don't eat the cheese. We talked about complacency,
Speaker 1: said and then against the Washington football team. Everyone now,
Speaker 1: the game was a wake up because it was on
Speaker 1: like Sunday night and everyone saw it. So they have
Speaker 1: to be able to knock knock out a slumping team
Speaker 1: because the Cardinals are struggling, and so what I want
Speaker 1: to see is Kenda offense pick up where they left off,
Speaker 1: because that is the unit that still has to kind
Speaker 1: of carry it in the postseason. I want to see
Speaker 1: if Dak and company can get it done. I think
Speaker 1: this team sets up for them, and I think they
Speaker 1: also have to remember how they got beat down at
Speaker 1: home last year. I think this is a time for
Speaker 1: them that can be kind of exactly a little revenge
Speaker 1: from last year's difficulties. I like it. I like it.
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Speaker 1: it is welcome back to the Break. We were just
Speaker 1: sharing more maddened memories during the commercial. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: just one of the everybody's got. It's such a universal experience.
Speaker 1: I think I do think that's really interesting, but I
Speaker 1: guess I'm not trying to rub it in. I'm a
Speaker 1: decent bit younger than y'all. So like I remember Madden
Speaker 1: on Sega and some of the older Madden games, but
Speaker 1: like when it really when I came to it was
Speaker 1: already on like PlayStation two, so like, I don't that's
Speaker 1: when it changed, and I don't remember, Like I have
Speaker 1: vague memories of like Madden talking over the game, but
Speaker 1: like but no specific memories like what you're referring. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I was thinking about something else
Speaker 1: else because Madden. That's what we all kind of played
Speaker 1: it and experienced that and then watched him and all that.
Speaker 1: Um as a coach. What's interesting about the Raiders. They've
Speaker 1: got more games with the name attached to it than
Speaker 1: any other. I mean, think about you got a lot.
Speaker 1: They've got about five or six games where you're like,
Speaker 1: that's the Holy Roller where Dave Casper just rolled the
Speaker 1: ball that changed the rules. You can't do that in
Speaker 1: Hide game, Hidie games, the Sea of Hands, See of Hands,
Speaker 1: UM goes to the post, there's a there was a
Speaker 1: game where the tuck rule I mean right, and there's
Speaker 1: I feel like there's another one that was relatively recent
Speaker 1: as well, but but a lot of those games were
Speaker 1: in the seventies. Well. The Immaculate Reception is another one
Speaker 1: because they were a part of I associate that with
Speaker 1: the Steelers. It is Raider game, right, but and I
Speaker 1: remember one of the announcers. I think it was the
Speaker 1: Holy Roller where Dave Casper rolled the ball to himself
Speaker 1: and then covered it in the end zone, which you can't,
Speaker 1: you can't, you can't, like you know, advance of fumbles
Speaker 1: that you didn't fumble um. And I believe it was
Speaker 1: that game where the inn You just hear the announcers
Speaker 1: on NFL films are like Madden wants to know if
Speaker 1: it's real. They said, yes, get your big butt off
Speaker 1: the field, like like like I was like, okay, but
Speaker 1: I think a big guy, And I think of the
Speaker 1: commercials where him on the you know, like this guy
Speaker 1: doesn't want to fly. He's a big burtly guy afraid
Speaker 1: of fly, and like yeah, yeah, so get him a bus,
Speaker 1: get him a bus. You gotta get there, got to
Speaker 1: get the cruiser. I forgot about that too. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I just it just permeates the whole experience, like as
Speaker 1: a kid, Little Giants. Madden's in that with like Bruce
Speaker 1: uh Isaac Bruce and Emmett Smith. I think we're in
Speaker 1: the movie too, which and I got to shout out,
Speaker 1: I took this for granted my whole life. But the
Speaker 1: ter Ducan that he that's a Louisiana thing. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that that comes from from down there, and I guess
Speaker 1: I don't know how he came across it, but he
Speaker 1: made it this big. Oh he did the whole diagram
Speaker 1: on the things. Yeah, you see over here and you
Speaker 1: got the leg over here, but like that's of woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and not like I'm not saying like not everybody in
Speaker 1: Louisiana eats it, ter Ducan, but like that was a
Speaker 1: thing that you could get there if you wanted it,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's all over, you know,
Speaker 1: Monday night football or whatever game he did at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he I just I just remember one of my favorite
Speaker 1: players ever was Alvin Harper's catch against the forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers in ninety two championship game and him afterwards the play,
Speaker 1: they show up in the booth, they show Norv Turner,
Speaker 1: you know, just making that call, and he kind of
Speaker 1: stands up because now it's first in goal like from
Speaker 1: the nine and just subtly, you know, Norv just kind
Speaker 1: of gets up and hitches his pants and he goes like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a big play because you have to
Speaker 1: hit your pants up. Like look at Norv right, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's he sees everything he sees. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's always looking at Nate Newton have to hitch pants
Speaker 1: up and all that. I mean, he was he loved
Speaker 1: big guys big you know, Northon Turner is not a
Speaker 1: big guy, but he hitches his pants up so and
Speaker 1: he catches that. He caught everything. He just made it real.
Speaker 1: I do. I just and I talked about it in
Speaker 1: the first segment, but like I just wonder, is that
Speaker 1: is that even possible now? Like who's gonna be larger
Speaker 1: than life to like this generation that's growing up right now,
Speaker 1: like it is Tony. I mean, right now, you think
Speaker 1: about all the guys that eight Collins, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: setting covering the game and how they're covering it. I
Speaker 1: think the guy that gets the most shine right now
Speaker 1: is Tony. I don't think Tony makes it as fun
Speaker 1: as Maden though, but I think I do think Tony
Speaker 1: is the guy that gets most of the shine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he because yeah, Tony does it in a different way.
Speaker 1: But I mean Tony calls the game like like my
Speaker 1: six year old on Christmas morning, like yeah, he's like, Jim,
Speaker 1: this is gonna go to overtime here. It's like they kick,
Speaker 1: They're gonna kick with two seconds, they're gonna call it
Speaker 1: time out and watch this and then gonna kick. And
Speaker 1: then they're gonna call two time outs and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, but then they're gonna kick it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go over time and you know it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that really did happen. But he does it in a way.
Speaker 1: He's excited, Jim, and it makes it makes the game
Speaker 1: excited for you to watch. Yes, but he's good. But
Speaker 1: I'll say this my like we grew up like Joe
Speaker 1: thisman was an announcer. Announcer Ron Jaworski wasn't and Phil
Speaker 1: Sims like in our family, like we hated all of
Speaker 1: them because they were all quarterbacks against the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: wonder if people just don't like Tony because he's they
Speaker 1: didn't like Tony when he was the Cowboys Golden Boy.
Speaker 1: I mean, for sure some people are like that, but
Speaker 1: I doubt it, I think, and I don't know that
Speaker 1: that always amuses me because like a lot of Cowboy
Speaker 1: fans hate Troy because Troy. I think Troy does the
Speaker 1: best job of anybody of just like calling it like
Speaker 1: he sees it, in my opinion, But that rubs a
Speaker 1: lot of people the wrong way because he's not Irvan basically, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Mike's doing the pregame, Mike, let's go Cowboy son.
Speaker 1: But I do, Yeah, I just I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if if it's possible to be what Madden
Speaker 1: was with the just it's staggering amount of media that's
Speaker 1: coming at you these days. When we were at training
Speaker 1: camp a few years ago, several years ago and um
Speaker 1: and he came he came out to training camp, UM
Speaker 1: and he had that he had that great quote about
Speaker 1: Terrell Owens. They asked him. It was two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: They asked about Terrell Owens and he said, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a he's a tire guy. And no one knew
Speaker 1: who that what that? What is that? He goes, well,
Speaker 1: he's he's a Terrell Owens is one of those guys
Speaker 1: that if if you're late for the bus, you know,
Speaker 1: like somebody's late, Well they're gonna get left. Who's late,
Speaker 1: Well it's just you know rookie cornerback. Well we're leaving.
Speaker 1: Who's late. Well it's the trainer. M we're leaving. Who's late?
Speaker 1: Terrell Owens is late? You know, Well, I want you
Speaker 1: go out and check those air on that tires a
Speaker 1: little bit. Check this, make sure we're good. I want
Speaker 1: to make sure the bus is good. He's like, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a tire. That was Madden. Madden says. We
Speaker 1: talked about that all the time, which well he was
Speaker 1: the first. I mean he said it to us. Shouldn't Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but it's just a ubiquitous part of our
Speaker 1: office culture like that, the getting off the bus guy
Speaker 1: and the check the tire guy, which definitely not to
Speaker 1: put him in the pantheon with Madden brought us just that,
Speaker 1: I mean brought us. Is that kind of guy too,
Speaker 1: Like he's got all these ridiculous ways of classifying things.
Speaker 1: I'll bet he's got some goods to him. Oh my god, Madden.
Speaker 1: Madden took all the media out for dinner, like either
Speaker 1: that night or the next night. We went to some place.
Speaker 1: It was It was some It took us like forty
Speaker 1: minutes to get there, up up the coast and it
Speaker 1: was like kind of tucked away. It was a steakhouse.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was like his spot and it
Speaker 1: was John's room that he would go to and uh,
Speaker 1: he didn't show up. He didn't. He couldn't show up though,
Speaker 1: but he footed the bill and paid for everything. It
Speaker 1: was pretty It was pretty awa. This was Madden's place
Speaker 1: though it was somewhere in California off the coast a
Speaker 1: little bit, so it's pretty cool. I just I love
Speaker 1: the way that Bucky talked about the Madden game because
Speaker 1: really it was and that's what made us still specially,
Speaker 1: it was a bonding tool. There are I know there
Speaker 1: are lots of guys and maybe females too, who spent
Speaker 1: lots of hours with their friends playing the game and
Speaker 1: that was their their method of bonding. That was their
Speaker 1: time together and had a lot of memories built around
Speaker 1: those games. I know it was for me and my friend.
Speaker 1: So um, that's the part I think that makes him
Speaker 1: legendary because he'll be a part of your memories, and
Speaker 1: you can be a part of people's memories. That's that's you.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, you'll just I don't You'll never see
Speaker 1: anything like it. I mean, And for the record, me
Speaker 1: and Nick talked about this before the show. Dude was
Speaker 1: a hell of a coach. Yeah, he won a hundred games,
Speaker 1: he won a super Bowl. Is winning. He retired, retired
Speaker 1: with like a seventy five percent win percentage. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: And then becomes the guy that you associate with NFL
Speaker 1: broadcasting for multiple generations and oh, by the way, probably
Speaker 1: the most influential video game of all times. Just absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all the time we have. We're on
Speaker 1: a short schedule. I think that's about it. Yeah, good
Speaker 1: job at day. Thanks Derek killed it. You can have
Speaker 1: it back tomorrow. I need the practice for the Draft
Speaker 1: show anyway. So but no, this was nice. We will
Speaker 1: be back. We will talk some knowledge on these few people.
Speaker 1: If you're paying attention, If you're paying attention, I did.
Speaker 1: We will be back. We got one more show this week.
Speaker 1: We will talk much more Cardinals Cowboys than we did today.
Speaker 1: But thanks for listening. And you know, shoot, if you
Speaker 1: got fun maddened memories, shoot us, shoot him to us.
Speaker 1: It's this is it's it's sad that he's gone, but
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to kind of relive these these memories
Speaker 1: of such an influential person. So this has been the break.
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