1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. Are you ready 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 5 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, December twenty ninth. Good morning, afternoon whenever 8 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: you're listening to this. This is Cowboys Break. I am 9 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: your host for the day, David Hellman, because I told 10 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: the birthday boy I would do it for him so 11 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: he could go out and have fun. Last night, Derek, 12 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: we didn't wish you a happy birthday. Yes, it's fun. 13 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: We feel really gilt, seriously, it is. We're not happy 14 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: about Here's the thing. I went over to Dave and 15 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: I said, Man, we really effed up something bad, yeah, Nick, 16 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: And Nick scared me a little bit and he was like, 17 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: what what happens? Usually the usually when I say something 18 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: to Dave, I think it's his kind of general thing 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: to be like nah, kind of a contrarian, like like 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: it's not that bad or don't worry about it, whatever, 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: when I said that was like, we didn't say anything 22 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: about Derek's birthday. He was like, damn it, Like yeah, 23 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: we're bad people. No, it's it's honestly fun. It's honestly fun. Yeah, 24 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: I know your heart, so you have you had a 25 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: good birthday. I did have a good birthday, Dinna. We 26 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: got some good food and hung out. You are in 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: your Jason Witton rookie training came in the forties, barely 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: hanging into the forties. Forty nine. One more, one more 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: rotation from the other and I will be at fifty. 30 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: Forget our other jersey numbers. I mean, we always always 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: throw that out today, But where is the episode of No, No, 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't care about that, and we're not We're not 33 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: going to do that today because no, we're not gonna 34 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: do that today. I'm hosting. But I would in lou 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: in lieu of the Number Talk tomorrow, in lieu of 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: the Number Talk, I did think it would be cool 37 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: to ask you guys, and I can do it too. 38 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: But y'all have y'all have been around the Cowboys and 39 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: been around the NFL so much longer than me. Give me, 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: give me your thoughts and memories on John Madden, give 41 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: me something. Just stick's got a good story? I got 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: a good story. Icon gets overused these days, but I 43 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: there there's not a person more befitting of that term 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: than John Madden. You know, I said this, Well, we're 45 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna post like a gut feeling type thing 46 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: here later about just people's thoughts and memories. And yeah, 47 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: you're said it best. I mean, legend, goat icon, We 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: say it all the time. What's your definitions different than 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: than other people's. But the picture that I kind of 50 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: painted here, it's, you know, kind of a hypothetical thing. 51 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: Twelve year old son, forty five year old dad, seventy 52 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: five year old Grandpaul, sitting in the room talking about Madden. 53 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: They all got something. You know, I played Madden. I 54 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: beat this one kid down the street. Whatever. Oh well, 55 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: I remember when you know, Pat, some are old watching 56 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: games and then seven year olds like, yeah, he was 57 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: the Raiders, a great head coach. And that's what a 58 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: legend is to me, is somebody that just spans all 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: that time in whatever way you want to say. He 60 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: was a contributor, He was everything. He was larger than life. 61 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean he was he was the NFL. Yeah, John 62 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Madden made football fun when I was a kid, Like 63 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: he was the guy that you know, the boom in 64 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: the band, like it. He made football fun and for 65 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: a kid. And then of course obviously, and I think 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: I've played every Madden in the history of Madden, in 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: the Madden Game, and like it was a part of 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: my college experience. Literally every day, me and my my 69 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: buddies we played matt and they were like it was 70 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: a lot of trash talk and we had a lot 71 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: of fun around that game. And so, like you said, 72 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: like they're all those different you know, watching football, playing 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: Madden there, he was everywhere. He was always a part 74 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: of it. And I was telling you earlier, like there 75 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: was probably nobody better if you can think about all 76 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: the guys that were around the game at that time 77 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: that had the personality and the understanding of the game 78 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: that you could put together to make what he made. 79 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: That's why he was so special in my opinion, Like 80 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: he was entertaining, but he knew the game in a 81 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: really really and he brought the game to you in 82 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: a really interesting way, which made him unique. And that's 83 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: why the game fits for somebody like him. It's a real. 84 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many bummers about COVID, but like 85 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: we don't see the TV cruise anymore, you know, like 86 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: you usually like whatever network has it, so like you know, 87 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: Aaron and Troy and Joe would come out on like 88 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: a Friday or collins Worth and al Michael's is here 89 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: all the time where he was before COVID, and it 90 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: like you definitely you got a sense for how big 91 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: the game was when you saw them show up, you know. 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: So I'm here, like, do y'all have any stories about 93 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: that with Matt Yea I used to be at Valley Ranch. Yeah, 94 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: it's so funny to me. I want to hear your stories. 95 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: But like I was thinking about this last night, I 96 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: think televised football is so much more normal now than 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: it was when Madden was in his Hey you know, 98 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: so like there's eighteen channels, every station has like six crews, 99 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: and so it just doesn't feel as big as it 100 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: probably used to. You're like, oh my god, Madden's on 101 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: our game this week, you know what I mean? Or 102 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: like for me, I told Brad Sham this story, it 103 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: was Verne Lunkquist for me, like SEC football. That's why 104 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: I just like Verne's voice was in my house every Saturday, 105 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: and I actually I had the chance to meet him, 106 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: and I like, I fell apart. I was like, oh 107 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: my god. I was like, you're the voice of my childhood. 108 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: And Verne was like, please don't say that, Like I 109 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: don't want to be told that I'm that old anyway, 110 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, and so I just I don't think it's 111 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: the same these days, where like because just say, every 112 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: game gets to be teleias and that didn't used to 113 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: be the case. So anyway, I would love to hear 114 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: yeah for for me, and um, it was it was 115 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: like you said, it was a Monday night game, so 116 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: they were here like on Saturday. I don't know. It 117 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: was a Valley Ranch, um, And I don't know why 118 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: I was in the building. It was something I had 119 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: to go in there. And it was a ghost town 120 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: on a Saturday. And I was walking through the halls 121 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: and have you ever been to Valley Ranch? If you 122 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: were walking too fast around the hall, you can you know. Yeah, yeah, 123 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: it was confusing l out ever and uh, And I 124 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: was turning the corner and all of a sudden, John 125 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: Madden was turning the corner at the same time, and 126 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: I had to stop. And this is like nineteen ninety nine, 127 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: so I was a few lbs ago for me, um 128 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: and um, I had to stop and like whoa. I 129 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: think he did a like a like a whoa. You 130 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: know what was that? It's coming down? Yeah? And he uh, 131 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: he was like whoa. And I was like, oh, sorry, 132 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: excuse me, apologizing whatever. He never even looked up. He 133 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: just kind of kept walking and he just he just 134 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: said out loud, didn't even turn around or anything. He 135 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: just goes, you would have lost that battle. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 136 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: by like never stopped or anything. It was basically it's 137 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: the nicest way you could say, get that out of 138 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: my way. But he wasn't. He wasn't gonna you know, 139 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: he had done putting his foot in the ground and 140 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: stopping and all that. He was just moving and you 141 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: could just imagine his voice saying that, like yeah, you 142 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: have lost that. And and I was in that like 143 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: is this cool? Like oh my, it's John Madden, you know. 144 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: And you you have a moment like that too, or 145 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: like oh that's the thing about working around here, and Dave, 146 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: you've seen it over the years. There there are these 147 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: moments we talked about it all the time. You'll be 148 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: sitting in your office and Roger stopback walks by. Like 149 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: it's just those kind of moments, And it was probably 150 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: one of the first wow, I got a cool job 151 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: moments I ever had working for the Cowboys. I was 152 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: at Valley Ranch. It's gonna seem a little weird, but 153 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: I was in the restroom. I finished doing my business 154 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: and I was washing my hands and door opens and 155 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: walks this big guys, John Madden, and he's like, how 156 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: you doing. And I'm like, hey, hey, and I'm just 157 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: like I almost almost don't know. Yeah, I almost don't 158 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: know what to say because I'm just like, that's John 159 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: freaking Madden. Like I played your video, like this is 160 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: John Madden. But you know you're kind of going about you. 161 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: He's going on about his business, going on bout my business, 162 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: and I'm just like walking out of the restroom, like, man, 163 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: this is a really really cool job. Which I know 164 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: that it was the one by where the loft, you know, 165 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: the loft, that little that little small restroom over there is. 166 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: It wasn't John Madden, obviously he was retired by the 167 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: time I started here, But um, I got I got 168 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: hired in April, which is like that there's nothing happening 169 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: in the offseason, and at Valley Ranch, like we're tucked 170 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: away in the back. You could go weeks without seeing anybody. 171 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: You wouldn't even know you worked for a football team. 172 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: It's just a regular office job. But like, probably two 173 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: months after I started, I went to use the bathroom 174 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: over by the executive wing and just I just happened 175 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: to be in that part of the building. And you 176 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: do this a million times in your life, but you 177 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: opened the door and somebody's coming out and going in, 178 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: and you kind of you do that like shuffle where 179 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: you're like which one of us is getting on the 180 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: way because these a small restrooms. Yeah, I couldn't have 181 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: been here for more than two months. And I did 182 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: that with Jerry Jones, and I just like I didn't 183 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: know what to say. I don't think i'd ever met 184 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: him before, and he's like you, and I just like 185 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: I was shell shocked for the rest of the afternoon. 186 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: He's got his own bathroom. Did he does I don't 187 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: know what to tell you. Did he say anything to you? 188 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: Because that's the thing about Jerry, Like Jared, we will 189 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: stalk up a conversation with anybody. It was he runs. 190 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean I think we did the whole like well, 191 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: like let me get out of your way there, or 192 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: like excuse me, and he just kept going that same bathroom. 193 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: It was funny, we're telling bathroom story, that same bathroom. 194 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: I walked in there one time. Sean Payton was the 195 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator back then, and he said the term I've 196 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: never really heard before, but you know, coaches have their 197 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: own lingo. He was like, uh, don't go in there. 198 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: All the buckets are full and us buckets wonderful. It 199 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: was like cool, like you got the message though, right, Yeah, 200 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: it was just like the buckets are full of thanks. 201 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: And on that note, we will take our first break, 202 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: and before we do that, when we come back, though, 203 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: you can think about it in the break. I want 204 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: to know what everyone's favorite Madden like video game term, 205 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: because you know, he always said something in their memorable 206 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: in there. You know what I'm talking about, just like 207 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: maddenisms basically, yeah, maddenisms, but you know they were part 208 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: of the game because he had to say him in 209 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: the game. I mean, all right, I will think about 210 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: this and we will get back to it. We do 211 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: have Bucky Brooks. We do have Bucky Brooks. We we 212 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: are actually going to talk about We are into a 213 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: Cowboys huge game against the Cardinals, but we'll take time 214 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: to talk about that. We're going to come back to 215 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: that right after this break. 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It's week seventeen, seventeen seventeen weeks 260 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: of having our buddy Bucky Brooks here to help us 261 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: preview the opponent. We did Arizona Offense yesterday, we got 262 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: Arizona Defense today, and Bucky, this happens for me all 263 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: the time. We're like, you don't have time to look 264 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: into the minutia of these matchups until we're going to 265 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: talk to you, And I like, all of a sudden, 266 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: like I don't. I guess what I'm trying to say 267 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: is I don't know like the identity of this defense. 268 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: But I look at it and I feel like they 269 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: should be getting a little bit more hype for the 270 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: way they've played this season. Why is it that they're not. 271 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: They're not getting hype because the attention is always on 272 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: their offense Cala Murray Cliff Kings where he naturally makes 273 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: it the biggest storyline. But the defense was really the 274 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: part of the reason why they got off to such 275 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: a fast start. They were able to lock people down, 276 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: were playing a very aggressive style where they were blissing 277 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: all over and they're young guys were making a ton 278 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: of players Isaiah Simmons and Zach Collins and those guys 279 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: Zaman Collins, they were making a ton of plays. And 280 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: so what you're having now is with the offense struggling, 281 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: more pressure on the defense to kind of make things happening. 282 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: In the defense is still playing well, but because the 283 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: offense has drove off so much, the focuses on the 284 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: offense and offensive struggles. As I was looking through some 285 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: of the numbers Bucky, I noticed that there was a 286 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: stark difference in the points that they were allowing in 287 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: the first seven games. In the first seven games they 288 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: allowed sixteen points per game on average, and they were 289 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: seven and oh. Since then, that number has jumped to 290 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: twenty four points a game that they're allowing allowing and 291 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: now they're three and they were three and five in 292 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: those eight games. What do you think is to read 293 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: the biggest reason for the more points that they're allowing. 294 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: I know you talked about how the offense hasn't been 295 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: playing up to par, but has that affected the defense 296 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: or there are things that other teams have figured out 297 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: about this defense weakness? Is that maybe they're exploiting over 298 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: those last eight games. Well, you know, the season is 299 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: a marathon, and one of the things about the season 300 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: being so long is that you have to continue to 301 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: evolve what you're doing, because if you think you can 302 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: do one thing at the beginning of the year, it 303 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: has to change by the end of the year after 304 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: that film circulates. So earlier in the year they were 305 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: bringing pressure from everywhere. What people finally saw that they 306 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: got a hold of that they started having success, and 307 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: then a copycat league, people begin to copy strategies that 308 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: work against you, and so the Cardinals have had to 309 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: continue to adapt. They've had to continue to try and 310 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: tweak and change the deal has happened. The offenses inefficiencies 311 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: has put the defense on the field more and teams 312 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: have been able to exploit that. Looking at the Cowboys 313 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: running game, you know, it's weird to look at these 314 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: guys like Zeke to have thirty yards forty yards and 315 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: to think he's playing much better. But is it? Is 316 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: that the way you see it as well? Like you 317 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: can just kind of see that these guys are running 318 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: the ball. Him and Pollard are running it better, even 319 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: though the yards don't necessarily suggest that. Well, I think 320 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: for both guys it's to return to hell, and so 321 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to judge them on their productivity. 322 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: You kind of have to do the eye test. I 323 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: think in that game against Washington, you saw that both 324 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: of them had a little more juice, a little more explosiveness, 325 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: and that leads to believe that they're going to play 326 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: better down the stretch. I do wonder and I kind 327 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: of talked about this with DeMarcus Lawrence and five Bucks 328 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: about load management. How DeMarcus Lawrence, the best thing that 329 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: might have happened is he didn't play for about five 330 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: or six games and he comes back and he looks 331 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: like a different player. I think the same thing could 332 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: be true for Pollard and Zeke as they get healthy 333 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: going down the stretch. The Cowboys offense could benefit from 334 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: them being maybe a little fresher and healthier in the 335 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: postseason as opposed to them being fatigued and so them 336 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: sharing the load where so many buys, even Clement coming in, 337 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: are touching the ball. It may certainly help them as 338 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: they get into the postseason tournament and they're able to 339 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: increase the workload for Paula Nzike in that tournament. I'm 340 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: curious the Cowboys. They're definitely trying to get Tyrn Smith back. 341 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: We'll see if he actually plays in this game. But again, 342 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: you just look at the stats, Chandler Jones and Marcus 343 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: Golden having very successful seasons, But then you look at 344 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: it and they kind of seem like feast or famine players. 345 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Chandler Jones had five of his nine sacks 346 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: in Week one. Marcus Golden has had two or three 347 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: multi sack games and a lot of zero sack games. 348 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: So how do you see that matchup, Like, are these 349 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: guys capable of wrecking a game or or is it 350 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: kind of smoking mirrors to you? Oldipis will kill them 351 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: Moore and how he approaches it. If they're heating it 352 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: up and they're bringing pressure, the ball has to come 353 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: out of Dak Prescott's hands right away, and so they 354 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: have to have a plan where they have enough quick 355 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: rhythm throws to get it out to offset the pressure 356 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: with quickness, screen game and that other stuff. But if 357 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: he's going to and shrug Dak Prescott, they have these 358 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: five and seven step drops against overmatch tackles, then give 359 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: me problematic. So a lot of it is by feel, 360 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: see where the game looks like the first quarter, doors 361 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: guys having under control. If they have it under control, 362 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: then a opery business as usual. But if they've given problems, 363 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: what's the answer. And I think that's the big thing 364 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: for a coordinator. It's not only what you have for 365 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: planing A, but what is plan B if the defense 366 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: shows you something that's not prepared for you. We've been 367 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: talking a lot this week about the possibility of Tyren 368 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: Smith coming back, and we've kind of had I think, 369 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: on this show at least there's kind of this general 370 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: consensus that if it were up to us, we might 371 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: sit tying another week or two and maybe having ready 372 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: for the playoffs and not risk the fact that there's 373 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: more that he gets another injury before the playoffs. That 374 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: being said, looking at a guy like Still and Dave 375 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: just talked about Marcus Golden and Chandler Jones would still 376 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: be able if would you have trepidation if they were 377 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: going to go that route of putting Steele out there 378 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: against those pass rushers or do you feel like this 379 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: is a game where you really need tying because you've 380 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: got such skilled pass rushers out there. You know, it's 381 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: all apart, Like it's weird, right because the Cowboys in 382 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: a situation where they don't know where they're going to finish, 383 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: and so because the seeding is still up in the air, 384 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: you don't know how to play the last week of 385 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: the season. If you're going to play Tarmer Smith, I 386 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: normally would say playing this week can rest him next week. 387 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: You want to give him some game action, but you 388 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to play all those guys the week 389 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: before you have to play a playoff game that increases 390 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: in physicality, intensity, and speed. Look, he's a veteran, so 391 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: he could play in the postseason without any work. I 392 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: would like to get him a little bit of work 393 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: before we did it, because I think it's tough to 394 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: go from kind of sitting on the couch to then 395 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: playing a playoff game where the speed is even different 396 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: than what it is in the regular season. Bucky, We've 397 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: asked that, We've talked about it here already on the show, 398 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: and anybody that's been around in the NFL for a 399 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: while has some kind of memories or connection to John Madden, 400 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: I'd like to see what your memories are with with 401 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: coach Madden, or broadcaster, or video game or all the above, 402 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: all the above. So it was funny, it was listening 403 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: you got stories. My story is very similar. Like in college, 404 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: Madden was everything, And I remember sitting in the dorm 405 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 1: room and in my room, we used to have a 406 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: bucket because we said time is money, So if you're 407 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: going to waste my time challenging me on the game, 408 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: gonna donate to the fun. So we were playing, so 409 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: we would So we were played. We were playing for 410 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: like dollars and stuff like that, playing the game. But 411 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: it's not only the game. The game was like a 412 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: vehicle to bond yes your guys, whether it's football guys 413 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: or guys in the dorm. It was kind of the 414 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: main attraction to bring guys together. And I think the 415 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: generation going forward always has Dad to lean back on 416 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: because it's been a connector. So many of our friendships 417 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: have been strengthened because of the time that we shared 418 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: on the sticks. And so it's funny that we associate 419 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: all of this stuff with the game, and John Madden 420 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: is certainly the centerpiece of it. I'm curious about that 421 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: because if you played it in college and then you 422 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: played in the NFL, like, were you you were in 423 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: the game? Did you did you play? I mean, was 424 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: it weird to be in the game or that were 425 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: you in the game? Or the Madden game like one 426 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: of those games that happened to have a bit appearance 427 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: in the game. I don't know if my rating was 428 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: worth anything, but I think what's always funny about those games, 429 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: and like now when I look at it is it 430 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: was always a big deal when the game would come 431 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: out and everyone would go and see what the ratings 432 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: are and your teammates arguing about the ratings, and now 433 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: that the ratings evolve and change, it's like a big deal. 434 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: And even like because now I'm on the game and 435 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: the franchise mode, like offering scouting takes and tips and 436 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: that stuff. It's just amazing how the franchise has grown 437 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: and watching so many people consume it. So look for 438 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: all the great things that he did as a coach. 439 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: I think part of the legendary stuff is what he 440 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: did as a broadcast and really the video game, because 441 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about being a legend and leaving a legacy. 442 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: The video game is a legacy that will go on forever. 443 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: All right, Bucky, we're on a short week because we're 444 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: not doing a show on the holiday, so we gotta 445 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: get and you know, it's it's been easy to make 446 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: predictions for like a month because they've been playing bums 447 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: so well. I mean, give me what you got for 448 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: what should be I think probably the best game of 449 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: the weekend. Yeah, now, this is the best game of 450 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: the weekend. And the danger is they got to make 451 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: sure that they don't eat the cheese. We talked about complacency, 452 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: said and then against the Washington football team. Everyone now, 453 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: the game was a wake up because it was on 454 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: like Sunday night and everyone saw it. So they have 455 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: to be able to knock knock out a slumping team 456 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: because the Cardinals are struggling, and so what I want 457 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: to see is Kenda offense pick up where they left off, 458 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: because that is the unit that still has to kind 459 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: of carry it in the postseason. I want to see 460 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: if Dak and company can get it done. I think 461 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: this team sets up for them, and I think they 462 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: also have to remember how they got beat down at 463 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: home last year. 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It's such a universal experience. 514 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: I think I do think that's really interesting, but I 515 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: guess I'm not trying to rub it in. I'm a 516 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: decent bit younger than y'all. So like I remember Madden 517 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: on Sega and some of the older Madden games, but 518 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: like when it really when I came to it was 519 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: already on like PlayStation two, so like, I don't that's 520 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: when it changed, and I don't remember, Like I have 521 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: vague memories of like Madden talking over the game, but 522 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: like but no specific memories like what you're referring. Yeah, 523 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, you know, I was thinking about something else 524 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: else because Madden. That's what we all kind of played 525 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: it and experienced that and then watched him and all that. 526 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: Um as a coach. What's interesting about the Raiders. They've 527 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: got more games with the name attached to it than 528 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: any other. I mean, think about you got a lot. 529 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: They've got about five or six games where you're like, 530 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: that's the Holy Roller where Dave Casper just rolled the 531 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: ball that changed the rules. You can't do that in 532 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: Hide game, Hidie games, the Sea of Hands, See of Hands, 533 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: UM goes to the post, there's a there was a 534 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: game where the tuck rule I mean right, and there's 535 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: I feel like there's another one that was relatively recent 536 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: as well, but but a lot of those games were 537 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: in the seventies. Well. The Immaculate Reception is another one 538 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: because they were a part of I associate that with 539 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: the Steelers. It is Raider game, right, but and I 540 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: remember one of the announcers. I think it was the 541 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: Holy Roller where Dave Casper rolled the ball to himself 542 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: and then covered it in the end zone, which you can't, 543 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: you can't, you can't, like you know, advance of fumbles 544 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: that you didn't fumble um. And I believe it was 545 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: that game where the inn You just hear the announcers 546 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: on NFL films are like Madden wants to know if 547 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: it's real. They said, yes, get your big butt off 548 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: the field, like like like I was like, okay, but 549 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: I think a big guy, And I think of the 550 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: commercials where him on the you know, like this guy 551 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: doesn't want to fly. He's a big burtly guy afraid 552 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: of fly, and like yeah, yeah, so get him a bus, 553 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: get him a bus. You gotta get there, got to 554 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: get the cruiser. I forgot about that too. Yeah, Like 555 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: I just it just permeates the whole experience, like as 556 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: a kid, Little Giants. Madden's in that with like Bruce 557 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: uh Isaac Bruce and Emmett Smith. I think we're in 558 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: the movie too, which and I got to shout out, 559 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: I took this for granted my whole life. But the 560 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: ter Ducan that he that's a Louisiana thing. Yeah, like 561 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: that that comes from from down there, and I guess 562 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how he came across it, but he 563 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: made it this big. Oh he did the whole diagram 564 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: on the things. Yeah, you see over here and you 565 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: got the leg over here, but like that's of woman. Yeah, 566 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: and not like I'm not saying like not everybody in 567 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: Louisiana eats it, ter Ducan, but like that was a 568 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: thing that you could get there if you wanted it, 569 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it's all over, you know, 570 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: Monday night football or whatever game he did at the time. Yeah, 571 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: he I just I just remember one of my favorite 572 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: players ever was Alvin Harper's catch against the forty nine 573 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: Ers in ninety two championship game and him afterwards the play, 574 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: they show up in the booth, they show Norv Turner, 575 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, just making that call, and he kind of 576 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: stands up because now it's first in goal like from 577 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: the nine and just subtly, you know, Norv just kind 578 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: of gets up and hitches his pants and he goes like, 579 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's a big play because you have to 580 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: hit your pants up. Like look at Norv right, you know, 581 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: like he's he sees everything he sees. He's you know, 582 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: he's always looking at Nate Newton have to hitch pants 583 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: up and all that. I mean, he was he loved 584 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: big guys big you know, Northon Turner is not a 585 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: big guy, but he hitches his pants up so and 586 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: he catches that. He caught everything. He just made it real. 587 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: I do. I just and I talked about it in 588 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: the first segment, but like I just wonder, is that 589 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: is that even possible now? Like who's gonna be larger 590 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: than life to like this generation that's growing up right now, 591 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: like it is Tony. I mean, right now, you think 592 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: about all the guys that eight Collins, that's what I'm 593 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 1: setting covering the game and how they're covering it. I 594 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: think the guy that gets the most shine right now 595 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: is Tony. I don't think Tony makes it as fun 596 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: as Maden though, but I think I do think Tony 597 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: is the guy that gets most of the shine. Yeah, 598 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: but he because yeah, Tony does it in a different way. 599 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: But I mean Tony calls the game like like my 600 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: six year old on Christmas morning, like yeah, he's like, Jim, 601 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: this is gonna go to overtime here. It's like they kick, 602 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: They're gonna kick with two seconds, they're gonna call it 603 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: time out and watch this and then gonna kick. And 604 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: then they're gonna call two time outs and then all 605 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, but then they're gonna kick it. We're 606 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: gonna go over time and you know it's like, yeah, 607 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: that really did happen. But he does it in a way. 608 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: He's excited, Jim, and it makes it makes the game 609 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: excited for you to watch. Yes, but he's good. But 610 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: I'll say this my like we grew up like Joe 611 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: thisman was an announcer. Announcer Ron Jaworski wasn't and Phil 612 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: Sims like in our family, like we hated all of 613 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: them because they were all quarterbacks against the Cowboys. I 614 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: wonder if people just don't like Tony because he's they 615 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: didn't like Tony when he was the Cowboys Golden Boy. 616 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean, for sure some people are like that, but 617 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: I doubt it, I think, and I don't know that 618 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: that always amuses me because like a lot of Cowboy 619 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: fans hate Troy because Troy. I think Troy does the 620 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: best job of anybody of just like calling it like 621 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: he sees it, in my opinion, But that rubs a 622 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: lot of people the wrong way because he's not Irvan basically, Yeah, 623 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: because Mike's doing the pregame, Mike, let's go Cowboy son. 624 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: But I do, Yeah, I just I don't know. I 625 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: don't know if if it's possible to be what Madden 626 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: was with the just it's staggering amount of media that's 627 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: coming at you these days. When we were at training 628 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: camp a few years ago, several years ago and um 629 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: and he came he came out to training camp, UM 630 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: and he had that he had that great quote about 631 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: Terrell Owens. They asked him. It was two thousand and six. 632 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: They asked about Terrell Owens and he said, he's a 633 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: he's a he's a tire guy. And no one knew 634 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: who that what that? What is that? He goes, well, 635 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: he's he's a Terrell Owens is one of those guys 636 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: that if if you're late for the bus, you know, 637 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: like somebody's late, Well they're gonna get left. Who's late, 638 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: Well it's just you know rookie cornerback. Well we're leaving. 639 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: Who's late. Well it's the trainer. M we're leaving. Who's late? 640 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: Terrell Owens is late? You know, Well, I want you 641 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: go out and check those air on that tires a 642 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: little bit. Check this, make sure we're good. I want 643 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: to make sure the bus is good. He's like, he's 644 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: a he's a tire. That was Madden. Madden says. We 645 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: talked about that all the time, which well he was 646 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: the first. I mean he said it to us. Shouldn't Yeah, 647 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: I know, but it's just a ubiquitous part of our 648 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: office culture like that, the getting off the bus guy 649 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: and the check the tire guy, which definitely not to 650 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: put him in the pantheon with Madden brought us just that, 651 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean brought us. Is that kind of guy too, 652 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: Like he's got all these ridiculous ways of classifying things. 653 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: I'll bet he's got some goods to him. Oh my god, Madden. 654 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Madden took all the media out for dinner, like either 655 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: that night or the next night. We went to some place. 656 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: It was It was some It took us like forty 657 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: minutes to get there, up up the coast and it 658 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: was like kind of tucked away. It was a steakhouse. 659 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was like his spot and it 660 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 1: was John's room that he would go to and uh, 661 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: he didn't show up. He didn't. He couldn't show up though, 662 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: but he footed the bill and paid for everything. It 663 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: was pretty It was pretty awa. This was Madden's place 664 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: though it was somewhere in California off the coast a 665 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: little bit, so it's pretty cool. I just I love 666 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: the way that Bucky talked about the Madden game because 667 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: really it was and that's what made us still specially, 668 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: it was a bonding tool. There are I know there 669 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: are lots of guys and maybe females too, who spent 670 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: lots of hours with their friends playing the game and 671 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: that was their their method of bonding. That was their 672 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: time together and had a lot of memories built around 673 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: those games. I know it was for me and my friend. 674 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: So um, that's the part I think that makes him 675 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: legendary because he'll be a part of your memories, and 676 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: you can be a part of people's memories. That's that's you. 677 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: It's I mean, you'll just I don't You'll never see 678 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: anything like it. I mean, And for the record, me 679 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: and Nick talked about this before the show. Dude was 680 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: a hell of a coach. Yeah, he won a hundred games, 681 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: he won a super Bowl. Is winning. He retired, retired 682 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: with like a seventy five percent win percentage. It's crazy. 683 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: And then becomes the guy that you associate with NFL 684 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: broadcasting for multiple generations and oh, by the way, probably 685 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: the most influential video game of all times. Just absolutely incredible. 686 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all the time we have. We're on 687 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: a short schedule. I think that's about it. Yeah, good 688 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: job at day. Thanks Derek killed it. You can have 689 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: it back tomorrow. I need the practice for the Draft 690 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: show anyway. So but no, this was nice. We will 691 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: be back. We will talk some knowledge on these few people. 692 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: If you're paying attention, If you're paying attention, I did. 693 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: We will be back. We got one more show this week. 694 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: We will talk much more Cardinals Cowboys than we did today. 695 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: But thanks for listening. And you know, shoot, if you 696 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: got fun maddened memories, shoot us, shoot him to us. 697 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: It's this is it's it's sad that he's gone, but 698 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: it's it's fun to kind of relive these these memories 699 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 1: of such an influential person. So this has been the break. 700 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for listening. We'll see you all tomorrow. 701 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 702 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.