1 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory Podcast. 2 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: This episode two seven to six. I am your host, 3 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Brad Roland, coming to you on a Tuesday evening. It 4 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: is the last day of September as we werefore this podcast, 5 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: which means when we're listening to it, it might be October. 6 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: And I'm joined by Scott Coleman. Scott, what's going on? Hello, Brad. 7 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: I have to admit on Monday, just subconsciously, about three 8 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: in the afternoon, I opened up my MLB app to 9 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: see what time the Braves were playing. 10 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's an hobbit. Yeah, at this point, 11 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: it's a. 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: Habit because we've been doing it every day for six 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: plus months. But yeah, play off snow Braves. It's an 14 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: odd time because it's been a long time since the 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: Braves have not been in the playoffs in any way, 16 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: shape or form. But here we are, and I don't know, 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: maybe we'll get treated to some good non Braves baseball 18 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: in the month of October. 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've teased this a few times. We'll do 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: a little bit of playoff talk this month, like not 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: a ton you know, it's still Braves podcast, but we'll 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: be watching we like baseball on this show, but certainly 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: there's still stuff going on in Braves country or not 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: going on so far. We will talk about Brian Sticker 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: in a moment, and then at the end of the 26 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: podcast we'll also get into a question we got basically 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: kind of reset in the roster, essentially, like, hey, who's 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: under contracts, who's not under contracts? Who do they option 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: decisions on. We won't do a full blown like will 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: they or won't they and all the deep breakdowns we'll do, 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: but just kind of a hey, here's the situation as 32 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: the outside of the off season. That'll be the second 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: second part of this podcast. First, though, Scott, we should 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: acknowledge the elephant of the room. We're what's time? Stay 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: at this again? You and I record on Sunday with 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: times ated then as well on Sunday. Now it's Tuesday. 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: It's like nine ish pm Eastern Time on Tuesday night, 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: and the Atlanta Braves have not said a word, nor 39 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: has there been a word reported about their managerial situation. 40 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: And as we'll get into in a second, that is 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: now rare. Like the rest of the league basically has 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: resolved its managerial uncertainties. There are jobs that are open 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: that were already open. There were guys who were fired 44 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: on Monday, et cetera. But really the major will they 45 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: or won't they in the entire the entire event League 46 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: Baseball right night at manager is the Braves. And it's 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: now been forty eight plus hours as the season ended, 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: and as we discussed on Sunday, it was weeks and 49 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: weeks before that of what's going on here, and we're 50 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: still in that same spot right now on Tuesday night. 51 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: So I think, just almost out of sheer necessity, a 52 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: decision has to be coming on Brian Sticker's future at 53 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: any moment soon. 54 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: As you said, I think four managers have been let 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: go to this point. 56 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: A couple of them were surprisingly retained, like the Cardinals 57 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: retain their manager. The Mets kept their manager, which was 58 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: a little bit in the air after the collapse they had. 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 2: So it's not like the Braves are the only ones who, 60 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: you know, had to make a decision here. And but 61 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: at this point, as we sit here nine o'clock Eastern 62 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: Tuesday night, they are basically the only team who has 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: not made a definitive decision on their manager. I think 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: it's coming at any point maybe by the time people 65 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: are listening to this, they will know and we will 66 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: of course have a full reaction whether or not Brian 67 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: Sniker is the manager come twenty twenty six for the 68 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves. 69 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 1: But I don't know, man. 70 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm if you asked me to put my 71 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: life savings on it, I would say I am fifty 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: one percent Brian Snicker returns forty nine percent that he 73 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: is retiring. But I mean, it's it's as fifty one 74 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: forty nine as it gets, and. 75 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: That's a major change. I think. I don't put words 76 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: in your mouth, but if I asked you that a 77 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: month ago, I have a feeling your percentage of him 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: returning would have been lower. Is that Is that accurate? Yeah, 79 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: there was a lot of and we did kind of 80 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: fastidiously make sure to never say he was definitely retiring, 81 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: because there were some susumptions being made. The reporting pointed 82 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: to that all summer, all fall to this point. But 83 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: no one anywhere has ever said on the record that 84 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: ry Sticker was not coming back. No one's ever said that. 85 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: It's gotten weird though recently, as we discussed earlier, if 86 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: you missed anything, by the way, please subscribe to heror 87 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: Territory anywhere you get your podcasts. We did a show 88 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: on Sunday last week. It was kind of like, all right, 89 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: here's the deal. And part of the uncertainty was Sni's 90 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: been kind of not directly saying I'd like to come back, 91 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: but kind of fainting more in that direction with his 92 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: public comments in the last couple of weeks and Alex 93 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: at Thoppolis. Last time he spoke publicly was like three 94 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: weeks ago at this point, and he you know, he 95 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: did the Alex thing where he said we want it 96 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: to be a Brave for life, but that does not 97 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: mean manager for life. That means part of the organization 98 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: for life. And Stickers obviously a situation where it's odd 99 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: because he's been with the team for literally five decads 100 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: and no one else has that type of tenure, all 101 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: those factors. I got to do it one more time, Scott, 102 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: the bit that we've been doing for two weeks now. 103 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Brid Sticker is not under contract. That's the looming thing here. 104 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: So every time we talk about this, somebody else, I'm 105 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: sure it's a new person or social media or whatever. 106 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: This is not a will there one think for Bridesticker, 107 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: only he is not under contract. That's why this is 108 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: so weird. If he was under contract, the assumption should 109 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: be at this moment that he's back, because if you're 110 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: not fired by now, you probably won't be. But he's 111 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: not under contract, which makes this so very odd. And 112 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: by the way, just to say, I think you said 113 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: four guys were fired, it was the Rangers firing Bochie 114 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: the Twins. We've gone from Rockle Bob Delli, Bob Building 115 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: got fired from the Giants, and then Ron Washington old 116 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: pal got fired with the Angels, and he actually said 117 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: on the record to The Athletic that it was performance based. 118 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: I though he had the health issues this year as well, 119 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: but it was Steve was told it was performance related. 120 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: And of course people ask us about that too, like, hey, 121 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: if Stick comes back, how about Wash I'm like, well, hey, 122 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: if you want to hire one Washing at any point 123 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: to not be the manager, to be something besides the manager, 124 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: sign me up all about watch coming back for any reason. 125 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm in on that. But anyway, long story short, it's 126 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: really weird. Man. I I've tweeted about this a lot. 127 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: I feel like I am for for me. I'm not 128 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: tweetings much about baseball anymore than I used to. It 129 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: really has been like bugging me though, Like how they've 130 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: handled this before I offer You offered your opinion, and 131 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: I will too because spoil alert, I'm leaving the country 132 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks and I will have the 133 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to respond whenever this actually happens. But before we 134 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: get to that, like, I think that all parties involved 135 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: have handled this kind of poorly for the Braves, Is 136 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: that is that fair? Is that reasonable to say? I 137 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: think it's just been weird. It's just all of it 138 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: just unnecessarily so as well, like yeah, and you had 139 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: this long runway like you had games didn't matter for weeks, 140 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: Like what are we doing? 141 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: Clearly there was some kind of disconnect. Now we're going 142 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: to get resolution on that disconnect here soon. But if 143 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: he may, maybe Brian's snicker true, Maybe the Braves gave 144 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: Brian Snicker full autonomy to make a decision. Maybe it 145 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: was all right, snitt, if you're in for one more year, 146 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: We're in for one more year, but you gotta let 147 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: us know. And maybe Brian Snicker truly does not know. 148 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: He might say I want to see my family. I 149 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: want to see my grandkids. I don't want to do 150 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: eight months on the road. It might be that time 151 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: for him. On the other hand, maybe Brian Snicker decides 152 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: he doesn't want to hang him up, and the Braves 153 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: are like, you know what, it's we love you, Snitt. 154 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: You can have whatever title you want in the front office. 155 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: We'll pay you a really good salary. Hell, they might 156 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: give him a raise if he wants to move into 157 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: the front office. But the Braves might be like, you 158 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: know what, it's time. We want someone who's maybe a 159 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: little more of a tactician in games. You never know 160 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: the behind the scenes stuff with pregame prep, scouting, everything 161 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: that goes into a baseball game beforehand. Maybe we'll find 162 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: out whenever the announcement and then any follow up reporting 163 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: if things get leaked. But clearly there is some kind 164 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: of disconnect, and we'll see what ultimately shakes out. I mean, 165 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: what what would you do, Brad if you were if 166 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: Alex and Thopolas said, Brad, you are making this decision, 167 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: what what would you do? 168 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: First? I agree with the disconnect thing for sure, like 169 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense. And perhaps I think 170 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: when we get the decision. That's how well, that's how 171 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: we'll know how this went. If SNIT retires and it 172 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: takes them three days to announce that or four days 173 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: to announce that, maybe it's because the brave said, you know, 174 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: do whatever, do whatever you want, SNIP will back you. 175 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: And if they, if they end up with a he's 176 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: not you know, he's coming back, that means he may 177 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: be true. I don't know, it's gonna be interesting. I 178 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: don't I'm looking forward to resolution. I still think though 179 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: both sides, whether it comes with public messaging or whatever, 180 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: have done something that I don't think is the best 181 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: way to handle this. Like you know, between I blame 182 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: Alex too, like it's or whoever is in charge of 183 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: this of the messaging, like you leaving this out there again, 184 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: it's Tuesday night now, it could be Wednesday, it could 185 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: be Thursday. We don't know it's gonna be the momorrow. 186 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: We don't know it's gonna be Thursday. We don't know anything. 187 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: And like lad, this dragon is just it just doesn't 188 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: make any sense to me. But alas as to the question, 189 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: I if I was alex ooh, I would slightly. I 190 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: want to I want to emphasize slightly prefer to move 191 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: on for Brian Sticker. I am not in the and 192 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: I might surprise people because I think when it was 193 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: rocking and rolling, we were seen as being lower on 194 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: Sticker than the consensus. Yep. I think when the season 195 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: this happens and the season is really to be bad, 196 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: I think naturally we're gonna not be lower because people 197 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: like I am not of the mind that Brian Zicker 198 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: is responsible for what happened this season. Like I don't 199 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: think a manager. I don't think a manager is worth 200 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty wins, Like that's not what that that's that's 201 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: not a thing that I believe could possibly happen. So 202 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: I don't think he's the greatest manager of all time. 203 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: I think he's a bet a good manager for a 204 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: long time. I think he is at the point, you know, 205 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not all about age, but like just 206 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: the way, you know, he seems to be slowing down, 207 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: like by consensus, that's not that's very reasonable at his age, 208 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: has been doing this for all time. But so I 209 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: slightly prefer to move on. But it isn't the end 210 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: of the world to me if he's back. I'm looking 211 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: I should say looking forward. If there is an announcement 212 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: made in a couple of days that Brian Sticker is back, 213 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: I think the majority reaction is going to be negative. 214 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: That's my projection, at least that social media circles, you know, 215 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: casual Braves fan who goes to the park on weekends. 216 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Maybe not since obviously a very liked figure and for 217 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: good reason. But I think a lot of people will 218 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: be like at least but jesh, by our mentioned by 219 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: the comments the last couple of months will be frustrated 220 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: by that. I would understand it. You know, if you 221 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: have another bad year like this next year, you can't 222 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: bring price Sticker back. I'll say that, but I think 223 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: you're allowed one. I think you're allowed one. So if 224 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: you want to, if Alex sticks is the best thing, 225 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I also think that if it 226 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: was up to me, I would slightly lean and move on. 227 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: But I also personally I would not be trying to 228 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: move on and just hand the job to Walt White, 229 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: like that's not distrectful of what wiss But like, if 230 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: I'm going to move on, I'm gonna have a search, 231 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna I'm not gonna just be like, oh, 232 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: who's the next guy up in the organization, braves way, 233 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: all that stuff, Like I want to actually look around 234 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: if I'm going to do it personally, which is there's 235 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: two so there's two discussions yes or no. That's sicker. 236 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: And then if it's no, what do you do then? 237 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: And that's the part where if I'm Alex, I'm proadcasting 238 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: a wide net. But that's wishy washy. I wish I 239 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: had like a harder, like first take style answer, Scott. 240 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: It'd be better radio perhaps, but like I kind of 241 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: lean to know if it's me, but you will not. 242 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean I won't be available anyway, but if I 243 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: was available, I would not come on here and bang 244 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: the table. If they brought it back. Football is back, 245 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: and so is your shot at big wins. 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His post game I think especially the 273 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: biggest thing for me with Snip is I have zero 274 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: and I mean zero confidence in him to manage a 275 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: pitching staff in game come playoff time. We have years 276 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: of data to back that up. 277 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: It's so funny because someone's gonna say what about twenty 278 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: twenty one, and I'm gonna say, you know what, it 279 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: worked even within that run. There's audio evidence of us 280 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: being like, man, I don't love that, but it worked 281 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: Will Smith at a zero point zer already in the 282 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: playoffs that season. But I agree with you though generally. 283 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: Bruce Boshee has all those World Series rings. Is it 284 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: because he's some insane in game tactician or is it 285 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: because he pressed the right buttons right for you know, 286 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: four weeks at a time. It's something we'll never know, 287 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: kind of chicken or the egg. But I think the 288 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 2: playoffs with snit honestly concerned me more. If the Braves 289 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: had a scenario where they could have Brian Snitker as 290 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: their regular season manager, I'd probably be fine with that. 291 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: But then when the playoffs come, I someone who has 292 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: to understand leverage and not letting I'm gonna not letting 293 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: Bryce Elder go through the Phillies lineup a third time 294 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: like that kind of stuff that a high school manager 295 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: understands with leverage and third time through the order and 296 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: all of that like that, that's the kind of things 297 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: that drive me up the wall, and frankly can be 298 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: the difference between how far a season can ultimately go 299 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: based on manager decisions in October. 300 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's other stuff too. I mean, he 301 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: does very well. And by the way, I don't want 302 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: to overstate this, but and we discussed on Sunday, but 303 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the only players that were asked about 304 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: it on Sunday, Some of us is what are they 305 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: going to say? But everyone was universally likes brings it back. 306 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: Not granted again they're gonna say that, but to the 307 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: point he is pretty much universally beloved. I said, pretty much. 308 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: I wonder if you give Ronald Acuna trusts here, if 309 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: he would like another manager. There's some reading between the 310 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: lines there. We don't know that for sure, but a 311 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: lot of guys and forever have been like very personate. 312 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: He's a players manager. Guys like playing for snit, so 313 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: that that matters. I don't think that should be the 314 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: That's not the deciding factor if it's me, if I'm 315 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: Alex at toposs, but that doesn't matter. It's It is 316 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: a challenging thing. There's a reason why people like you 317 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: and me couldn't manage baseball team. Like it's a lot 318 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: more than the tactical stuff there in the game. You 319 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: have to manage a locker room of grown ups who 320 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: are rich and navigate personalities. And he's SIT's done a 321 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: very good job with that for a very long time. 322 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: So long story short, because I won't be able to respond. 323 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: I yeah, I would, I would move on. I would, 324 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: But I also I'm wavering on that on purpose, Like 325 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't feel conviction in that, maybe feel people might 326 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: be surprised that we're not at least that I'm not 327 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: stronger on that opinion. I would move on, but I 328 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: will not be you know, bringing the pitchfork to Truest 329 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: Park if they announced a year for stent. But also 330 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: the weirdest part about this, and this is kind of 331 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: a process thing again, but this is a process decision. 332 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: It's so weird. What do you do contractually? Like, do 333 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: you bring Brian Sticker back and say if he comes back, 334 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: let's just stip on that for a second. If he 335 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: comes back, Is it like we're gonna announce right now 336 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: this is one last ride for Brian Sticker, Or do 337 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: you give him a two year or three year contract 338 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: and maybe he walks away anyway, But like there's a 339 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: way to do that, you know, one way or the other, 340 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: Like there's a way to say, look instead, he's decided. 341 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: It's literally in the press release, I've given this one 342 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: last ride kind of thing. Or it's just like a 343 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: ho hum, Brian Sticker signs to your extension with the Braves, Like, 344 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how you do that. Either way, it's interesting. 345 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: All of it's interesting to me. 346 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: I would sure think they would go a year at 347 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: a time at this point. Honestly, both sides would probably 348 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: go a year at a time. 349 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: They just finished an expiring contract, which is already weird 350 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: in itself. Part of the reason why this is so odd, 351 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: because we didn't say this earlier in this conversation, is 352 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: that he went into this year on an expiring contract 353 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: and nothing ever changed. That's very rare for a guy 354 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: his position to be going in to a year on 355 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: a well we thought it was gonna be a contending 356 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: team as a lame duck manager. That doesn't really happen. 357 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: And yes, Snicker is a special case because of the 358 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: history of the organization. I will grant that. And people 359 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: keep saying that that's one hundred percent right, it is 360 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: a special case. I'm not arguing otherwise. It's still strange. 361 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: And it got stranger the later and later and later 362 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: it got with no announcement. That's why it's so odd. 363 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, we will know soon, Brad. Definitively, we will know 364 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: soon what the Braves are gonna do. 365 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: Big decision ahead, big decision ahead, to be sure, and yeah, 366 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to resolution. It could be. Look, it 367 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: could literally be tonight, it could be wednesday. That wouldn't 368 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: surprise us if you do the math, and we want 369 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: to talk about this before we started recording. Last year 370 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: was a little bit different because they lost. It was 371 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: playoffs number one. They lost on the West coast, which 372 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: is a travel day back, right, But it was about 373 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: two three days and then Alex was talking and that 374 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: would be like tomorrow, it would be tomorrow, Thursday, that 375 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: kind of range, And will they announce what will they 376 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: have Alex announce something from the podium. I don't think so. 377 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: I think there will be a press release either probably 378 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: four Alex Hawks would be my guess either way, Like 379 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: they're they're definitely not gonna have Alex come out and 380 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: announce Bri Stickers not coming back. I can tell you 381 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: that right now that will be. That would be. That 382 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: will be a pr release and followed up by talking 383 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: that will not be. Like everyone gathered around Alex and say, 384 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: uh and all right, Alex, what's going on? He says, well, 385 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: Brian Sticker is gonna that's not gonna happen. I don't 386 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: think I'd I'd. 387 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: Be reading it, reading it off like a like a 388 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: judge at a high profile trial, you know, like, yeah, 389 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: they can't the Braves. The Braves will make an announcement. 390 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 2: Alex will talk, Snett will talk, players will probably talk, 391 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: regardless of what the decision ultimately is. I mean, we 392 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: have to get resolution soon because if Snith's coming back, 393 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: then great, you can shift your focus to the off 394 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: season and a lot of questions with this roster. And 395 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 2: if he's retiring, then you give the guy all of 396 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: his flowers. You do the farewell party but then Alex 397 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: better start working the phones because the Braves are going 398 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: to need a new manager. 399 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of working the phones, Managerial's decision is number one 400 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: on the list because of just a timeline. Most player 401 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: stuff can't happen, can or won't happen until the World 402 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: Series is over. That's the nature of the way that 403 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: baseball deals are done. Option decisions are after the World Series. 404 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: Occasionally you get an extension during during the playoffs. The 405 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: Braves have done a few of those over the years, 406 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: but the vast majority of business with rosters and players 407 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: happens in November and beyond. Yeah, so that's kind of 408 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: we stick Chris first. But we got a question from Jason, 409 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: a listener to the pod about like basically what the 410 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: Braves have to do or will do or any of 411 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: this stuff. And it's like setting the table roster reset, 412 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: like who's hitting free agency and I And it's a 413 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: good idea kind of not like just read it off, 414 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: but kept do are a very bite sized look at 415 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: what they're doing. First things first, there's a lot of 416 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: talent still on this roster, Like I'm just gonna read 417 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: some names who are under contract with no drama right now. 418 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: For next year. Austin Riley, Matt Olsen, ron A Coo 419 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: Junior special Strider, Sean Murphy, Ernonald Lopez, Jerkson Profar, Aaron 420 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: Bummers on this team still, Joejah Menez, Michael Harris, guys in. 421 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: There's guys in pre orb obviously, Drake Ball wants making peanuts, 422 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: specially swallow bocks making peanuts on this team still, et cetera, etcetera. Right, 423 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: a lot of talent on the roster, but there are 424 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: a couple of only there are really only two free, 425 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: straight up free agents, which is interesting. It's Marcela Zuna 426 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: and Ruys Sally Glacis. Both of them are in their 427 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: mid thirties. Interesting. Uh, anything to add on those guys. 428 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: Obviously we talked about these guys a lot already, but yeah, 429 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: those are the two free agents, Louis, that's the whole 430 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: list of like definite fore agents right now. 431 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: I think Marcello Zuna will be gone. It's just hard 432 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: to carry a DH only type unless you just absolutely 433 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: mashed baseballs. And there were warning signs at the end 434 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four with Ozuna and then he was 435 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 2: okay this season, but because he just literally cannot play 436 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: anywhere on the field. Tough to bring back Marcel he 437 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: has loved in the clubhouse. 438 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Maybe they work. 439 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: Something out there. But and then with Raycell Iglesias, I 440 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: would be fine bringing back Ricell on a like a 441 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: one year deal or something like that. He was terrible 442 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 2: the first two months up until that game that we 443 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: will never speak up again against the Diamondbacks where he just. 444 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: Completely blew up. 445 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 2: But after that he was like one of the ten 446 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: best relievers in baseball. I think he had a sub 447 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: one era for a better part of the second half 448 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: of the year. So be fine bringing back Ricell if 449 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 2: the contract is right. But I think we've probably seen 450 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: Marcello Zuna's final game in Atlanta. 451 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: I would agree on all counts there. And yeah, if 452 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: you go back to like mid June, ryce El's era 453 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: was like one. It was just he was absolutely lights out. 454 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: So he's he's the one. By the way, if I 455 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: was guessing this is a gifts if there, if we 456 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: get the October fifteenth mid playoff blue square, I think 457 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: it would be ryce El for one year and whatever 458 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: it is, you know, a decent amount of money because 459 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: that's what he's going to command. But that would not supper. 460 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's going to happen, but if we 461 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: get one of those. Last year it was Bummer and Lopez, 462 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: they got like reworked in October. At one point there 463 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: was a Morton extension in October. That kind of stuff. 464 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: Guys on her team, Hey, Riycel one year extension quote 465 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: unquote would not be surprising to me. 466 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, just saying, yeah, I agree, I'd have him back happily. 467 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: And Alex Lexis likes to pay relievers, as we know, 468 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: probably probably too probably to a fault. That's Alex's Alexis 469 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: scrypt Knight is paying relievers. So uh, anyway, those are 470 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: the free agents. They have guys that they have to 471 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: decide we are too tender in arbitration, so basically offer 472 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: them a tender or not. There are some pretty easy ones, like, 473 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: for instance, Dylan Lee is an arbitration it'll be cheap, 474 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: good player, Like, I can't imagine I'm not doing that 475 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: barring injury. 476 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: Three million dollars projected for Dylan Lee, give or take. 477 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: That's easy. Yes, I would agree. A couple of outfielders, 478 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: Eli White is a tender candidate and Jake Frayley who 479 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: they brought him mid season. He got hurt at the end, 480 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: but Jake Frayley was a not hast Sung Kim level 481 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: waiver ad but a real player. Jake Frayley is a 482 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: real player. I don't know. It's White's so cheap that 483 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: it's probably not an easy yes because he's a utility 484 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: guy too. He plays a lot of positions. Frayley any 485 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: early thoughts again, we'll do this again later. I just 486 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: want to at least set the stage a little bit. 487 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: I would definitely bring Eli White back. He's projected to 488 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: make about a million and a half, so that's an 489 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: easy That's an easy yes for me, quite honestly, I agree. 490 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: Jake Frayley made just over three million dollars this past season. 491 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: It will be his final year of arbitration, so call 492 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: it four million dollars. 493 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, Brad. I mean, yeah, it's right, that's 494 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: round the line. I think it's not an easy no 495 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: warnes yes by any means. I think. I think if 496 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: you pull Braves fans that maybe haven't dug into this, 497 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: like super deeply, the product think was like, oh, definitely no, 498 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: because it sounds like a lot of money. But he 499 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: is like a like a fourth, like a real fourth outfielder, 500 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: and that's like what those guys cost. I'm not saying 501 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: they'll do it, but that's not like a easy no 502 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: for me. 503 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: The real question I would have is do the Braves, 504 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: I guess agree with this podcast, Oh yeah, on the 505 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: on the fourth fourth outfielder DH and basically rotating that 506 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: player with Profar with Akunya built in insurance. Well, we'll 507 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: talk about that more, but I mean, if I would 508 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: much rather take the four million dollars ode to Jake 509 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: Fraley and put that towards getting a legitimately good hitting 510 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: DH fourth outfielder than I mean, Jake Frayley's not going 511 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: to suddenly turn into an impact player at thirty years old. 512 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: I mean he was finding a couple of years ago. 513 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: But that that's kind of my read on the situation. 514 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: He gets Writy's but no, that's as much as I 515 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: think he's a real player. If they don't tender him, 516 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: it will be a normal decision. 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Yeah, like, no, you can't do it. 545 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: Jared Kelnick in Gwinnett hit two thirteen with a two 546 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 2: eighty six on base percentage and a three to oh 547 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: nine slugging percentage with the Stripers in Gwinnette tells in 548 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: Gwinnette one more time underlined in the minor leagues. That 549 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: also just tells me that the Kelnick probably just gave 550 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: up stop caring. I mean, his talent, his true talent 551 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: level is better than a five hundred ops and a 552 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: two hundred batting average. But I'm in I wouldn't blame 553 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: Kolnick either. I'm sure he's down on his luck. This 554 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: guy was a top ten consensus prospect, he was a 555 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: top ten draft pick. He was traded in two very 556 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: high profile deals. But it's you know, clearly it didn't 557 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 2: work for Kelmick. I understand what the Braves were trying 558 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 2: to do to get a cost controlled, young talented left 559 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: fielder who was going to make very little money. 560 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: But obviously it was just I mean, that was a 561 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: colossal bust. 562 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 2: One of it only cost money, but that was like 563 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: a colossal bust from alex Anthopolis in the front office. 564 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: It definitely was. I still think it's not as bad 565 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: as some discuss it as because of what you just said. 566 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: It didn't cost them like Prospect Capital. They didn't give 567 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: up Drake Baldwin to get Jerry Kilnick. If they'd done that, 568 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: that would be a true catastrophe. But no, the word 569 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: they about knick. We'll move on. In Seattle when he 570 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: was stru he was kind of seeing as like a 571 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: guy who would get to the majors and struggle and 572 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: then he'd go to the miners and he'd mash like 573 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: he was and this now that's what's so weird about this. 574 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: He's twenty six now and you go to the miners 575 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: and you're bad. Like maybe it's mental. Like you said, 576 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: I will be surprised if we have a meaningful Jerry 577 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: coming conversation after this moment on this podcast. Other guys 578 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: they have to decide on quickly, you know, guys like 579 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: Dane Gunning, Jose Suarez, Alexis Diaz, Like probably not on 580 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: all accounts, I would guess the one that's really interesting 581 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: as a guy that's about on Sundays. We won't rehash this, 582 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: but they they claimed Alec Manoa off waivers, which we 583 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: discussed for like ten minutes on Sunday's podcast. But he's 584 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: a guy that they have to decide on, not for 585 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: a while, but he's a real talent, a reclamation project 586 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: and by far the biggest name of all these kind 587 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: of like, well they were, won't they guys? I mean guys. 588 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: Failey has been on the team makes more money, but 589 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: Manoa would not be like a total zero dollar commitment. 590 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: If they were to tender him, probably be a few million. 591 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: I would imagine the Braves will have been throw quite 592 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: a bit at their Florida complex. 593 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: See how he looks. 594 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: He's distanced himself from the elbow surgery. You know, at 595 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: the end of the day, I don't think Alec Manoa 596 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: is going to make or break the off season, but 597 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: it is an interesting decision because they claim this guy 598 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: at the end of September, so you would think they 599 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: have some level of interest in Alec Manoa. But if 600 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: they also say, if they see Manoa throw a couple 601 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: of bullpens and they go, oh, boy, this you know 602 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: he can't find the plate or he you know, has 603 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 2: nothing on his breaking balls. 604 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: Then you just, you know, you can always non tender 605 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: and move on. Yeah. After that. It's stuff that people 606 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: probably know that they're listening to this podcast. But one 607 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: that I think gets ignored, probably for good reason, is 608 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Chris Sale has an eighteen million dollars team option. I 609 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: am very sure that's to be going to be picked 610 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: up unless Chris Sale's arm falls off between now on 611 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: the date in which they have to sign on that 612 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: he'll be back on that contract. Any opposition to that 613 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: take Scott No. 614 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: I will say, you know, Sale was going to be 615 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: a free agent before they reworked his contract, and when 616 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: they I mean, trading for Chris Sale was one thing. 617 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: And then when they reworked his deal and extended him, 618 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: I think we were all like, oh my gosh, like, 619 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: obviously this is a talented guy. 620 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: But it was a we said it with the time. 621 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: It was a calculated risk because if it worked, it 622 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: was gonna look awesome, yes, but if it didn't work, 623 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: it was gonna look really dumb. The extension part of it, 624 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: because the trade we loved, even even even before we 625 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: knew he was gonna be awesome. We we loved the 626 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: trade because it was such a mild cost for him. 627 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, this looks great now, I will say, 628 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: and this maybe will be a topic later on in 629 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: the winter. Would it surprise you at all if they 630 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: reworked it again, because it would It wouldn't surprise me 631 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: at all. It would not surprise me. 632 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 2: I think I would hold my breath even more just 633 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: because Chris with the weird ass injuries. This guy picks 634 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: up fair. But you know, it's knock on wood. It's 635 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: never elbow, it's never shoulder. It's just like broken ribs 636 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: for the second time in five years and backspasms, and 637 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: you know he broke his finger years ago in Boston 638 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: on a comeback er. Like it's it's always weird stuff 639 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: with Sale. But to answer your question, no, it would 640 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 2: not surprise me if they worked out like a two 641 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: year deal with another club option. 642 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: I could see it. 643 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: He's I mean, he is still pound for pound as 644 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: good as basically anyone in the major leagues. 645 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't know that they'll do it. That 646 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: would just be very Alex. If Alex were to rework 647 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: that into a two year deal, like he did with Bummer, 648 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: like he did with Ronaldo, like he did with Morton. 649 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: At times like where you would go a little bit earlier, 650 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: get a little bit more team control. I'm not saying 651 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: you give him a four year deal. I'm not going 652 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: to do that, but it would if it did, it'd 653 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: be a two year. But anyway, he's on an eight 654 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: team millionllar club option. That's an autodobrary. Yes, Pierce Johnson 655 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: has a seven million dollar team option. Another one that's 656 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: like not a total no brainer, like he's he's good. 657 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: I think people often under rape Pier Johnson. I think 658 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: he's been good with the Brapes. But that's enough money 659 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: where it's not like a it's not Chris Sale. Chris 660 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: Sale is a lot more obvious to peer Johnson. Yeah, 661 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: I think so. 662 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: Seven million dollars for Pierce Johnson I feel is fair 663 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: market value. Agreed, he is a good, not great, middle 664 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: to late inning reliever. It's not a closer. He's not 665 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: an all star, but he's also not bad. I will say, Brad, 666 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: without knowing what this team is going to spend, seven 667 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 2: million dollars is not nothing. And Pierce Johnson's buyout is 668 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: only two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, So we're of 669 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: course gonna talk about Ozzy Alby's here in a second. 670 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: The financial savings by keeping Ozzy Alby's versus paying his 671 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: buyout is so minimal. I think they're bringing Ozzie back. 672 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: But if Alex is like, you know what, I have 673 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: some big ideas, but I'm gonna need some money to 674 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: do it, I would not be completely shocked if they 675 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: saved seven million dollars by saying no to Pierce Johnson 676 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: said you know what, We'll find Tyler Kinley later in 677 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: the off. 678 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,479 Speaker 1: Season for half the price. Yeah. That's kind of why 679 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: I set it up that way too, because it's like, 680 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: I think we've all been assuming that it's likely Pierces 681 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: on the team, But that number is not nothing. That's 682 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: a real he is. He's worth about that much. But 683 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: when you're worth about that much, that means there's an 684 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: argument against you being worth more than that or worth 685 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: that much money. Just to throw it out there, since 686 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: he got to the Braves about two and a half years, 687 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: he is a era of two point nine to one 688 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: good peripherals, like he's a good reliever. Yeah, not an 689 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: elite one, but he's been good the entire time he's 690 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: been here. But yeah, that's real money, so won the circle. 691 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: Later on, we'll save Ozzie for last. Tyler Kinley, the 692 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: guy you just brought up, a guy who was talked 693 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: about before and was just absolutely lights out with the Braves. 694 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: Was a weird pre deadline quiet in the It was 695 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: a weird stretch for the Braves. They didn't really do much, 696 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: but they got him. He does have a five point 697 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: five million dollar team option for next year. With the 698 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: way he pitched, it's hard to argue against that team 699 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: option because like he had a not granted, his era 700 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: was like I think it was, was it sub one? 701 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: I think I might have. 702 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 2: Had see zero point six y four or something. 703 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: He is not that good even as a guy, even 704 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: as people who liked that trade when it happened for 705 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: very very little cost. Yeah, it was a zero point 706 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: seven to two era. I just looked it up. I 707 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: think he's probably gonna be back on five five ish million. 708 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Tyler Kinley five and a half million dollar 709 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: club option. The buyout is seven hundred and fifty k. 710 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 2: So you're saying Tyler Kinley for four point seven five 711 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 2: million dollars. 712 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: I would pick it up. 713 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: I think that's again probably fair value for Tyler Kinley. 714 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 2: This guy's not going to be your closure next year. 715 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: He's not even gonna be your eighth inning guy more 716 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 2: than likely. But you do have to have reliable relievers 717 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 2: to kind of bridge those middle innings. And you know, 718 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: that feels like a fair amount. 719 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: And I guess. 720 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 2: It's not a one hundred percent certainty, but I would say, 721 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 2: you know eighty ninety percent that Tyler Kinley is. 722 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: Back, not one hundred percent. Perhaps Alex will find religion 723 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: on not paying relievers, but until he does, I tend 724 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: to think he's going to spend money on relievers. So 725 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: there's that. Also, we're not gonna talk about this again 726 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: right now, but the last one is Ozzie obvious YEP 727 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: seven million club option, substantial buyout. I will be shocked 728 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: if he is not picked up on that. By the way, 729 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: there is an argument that we made before to pick 730 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: him up and trade him, which would be a hard sell, 731 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 1: like he's a braves lifer to this point, but that 732 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 1: would be that would be smarter than declining the option 733 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: for me, for me, decline the option it's nowhere in 734 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: the realm because they could easily trade him on that contract. 735 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: And if you if you have a if you have 736 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: if you have a contract, that maybe maybe they don't 737 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: love that Ozzie's profile anymore. That would be understandable. But 738 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: if there's a club option on a guy and you 739 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: know you could trade for positive value, you pick the 740 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: option no matter what. Yeah, that's my opinion. 741 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am fine bringing Ozsi Alby's back. I wish 742 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 2: he didn't have a broken bone in his hand after 743 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 2: breaking his wrist a year ago, but the fact that 744 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 2: he really turned it on in the second half was 745 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 2: very more Ossy Alby's like than the just abysmal player 746 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: he was in the first half of the year was encouraging. 747 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 2: Now we just kind of have to hold our breaths 748 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: and hope that with six months in the offseason he 749 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 2: can fully distance himself from that broken handmate bone, get 750 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,479 Speaker 2: his grip strength back, which is something players have talked 751 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: about who have broken that hand, because he's a small 752 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 2: guy and he needs every bit of strength that he 753 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: has in order to be a power hitter. And that's 754 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: I mean, we know it's it's unconventional. There's not a 755 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 2: lot of like five foot eight sluggers out there, but 756 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 2: that was in his prime. 757 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 1: That was Ozzy Alby's profile. Yep, we'll discuss that later on. 758 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: But he too, but from sat bit and one more 759 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: that we are not doing a segment on tonight because 760 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: we've done it already three times, maybe more than three times. 761 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: But there's a rare thing for the Braves. There is 762 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: a player option which again player option nothing to do 763 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: with the Braves. Hassan Kim sixteen million dollars. We will 764 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: see big. It's a big choice and the Braves had 765 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: nothing to do with Obviously, they can kind of negotiate 766 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: with him a little bit about an extension, but as 767 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: far as the s NO is concerned, that is the 768 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: property of one hass On Kim and his agent Scott 769 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: for us. So we'll see. 770 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: It feels fifty to fifty to me whether or not 771 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 2: Kim picks up his player option sixteen million dollars, Brad 772 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: a lot of money. 773 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: And if he doesn't, that's what becomes real. I mean, 774 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: obviously I'd like for him to pick it up. I 775 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: don't want to speak for you. I think you would, yeah, 776 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: back that if he doesn't pick it up. It gets 777 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: real interesting because you can still sign him as a 778 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: free agent. You also and if you don't sign him 779 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: as a free agent, your shortstop plan is is prayer. 780 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: They have no internal option at shortstop. With due respect 781 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: to Nickallen, that's not an option. 782 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 2: I feel, and we said this on the show on Sanday, 783 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 2: Let's say it one more time. I feel, and I 784 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 2: think you do too. One way or another, Hassan Kim 785 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: will be the Braves shortstop come opening Day. It might 786 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 2: be on a player option, it might be on a 787 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 2: three year contract. We'll see where it ultimately shakes out with. 788 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 2: But I do think that Hassan Kim will be the 789 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 2: Brave shortstop come next year. 790 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: I tend to agree, even if there is certainly a 791 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: chance he's not, I think there is a bigger chance 792 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: that the is. So we are on the sad page there. 793 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: There is our roster reset. Just like everybody know what's 794 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: going on. We will have a more detailed, more timely 795 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: look at these things as they're getting closer. All the 796 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: option deadlines are after the World Series. I think five 797 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: days is the is the deadline for all these things 798 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: in baseball. Make a very uniform on that and then 799 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: the tender deadline is much later than that. But the 800 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: option like team option stuff, et cetera, is that around there, 801 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: and that's really just it's Ozzie and can't, etcetera. So 802 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,280 Speaker 1: we're into that later on. But that's the rust reset quickly, Scott. 803 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: Before we signed off. Today was the first first day 804 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: of the playoffs, which is fun. We say it's for 805 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: the end because it's if you want to sign off. 806 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: By the way, this is the end of the Braves 807 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: talk if you are so inclined to not letten justus 808 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: talk about playoffs for like three minutes. Fun day of baseball. 809 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: So far, we are recording in the middle of Dodger's 810 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: Reds It just started, so we don't know about that 811 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: game yet. The first three games were all fun, all 812 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: low scoring. I thought it was funny. The three scores 813 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: of the first three games were two to one, three 814 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: to one, and three to one. 815 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 2: Pitching, baby, yeah, I mean you talk about the starting 816 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 2: pitching today, especially, I mean Derek Scooble, unbelievable. The Yankees 817 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 2: Red Red Sox matchup with Max Freed and Garrett Crochet, 818 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: I mean, goodness, gracious, that was a lot of fun. 819 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 2: Offense at a premium. I love you Max. 820 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: Max doesn't get the loss, but they the Yankees lost 821 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: this bye Max throwing six and the third shots. It 822 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: was so yeah. 823 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 2: Probably Freed's best performance since the World Series, quite honestly, 824 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so fun day of baseball. A lot of 825 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 2: baseball on the horizon for playoffs again, totally sucks. 826 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: The Braves are not involved. But I don't know. 827 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 2: Maybe it's like stress free watching is not the worst 828 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 2: thing in the world. And all right, Brad live on 829 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 2: the podcast. 830 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: What is the World Series? And who wins? Oh? Lord, uh, 831 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: I will this might this might look hilariously wrong in 832 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,919 Speaker 1: the morning. If the Dodgers lose Game one to the Reds, 833 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna look way dumbnut and pick of the Dodgers 834 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,439 Speaker 1: though the National League. But I'm going to despite coming 835 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: out of the wild card round, I'm taking the Dodgers. 836 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: Give me Dodgers against Blue Jays. Okay, listen, I promise 837 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,359 Speaker 1: I won't do the whole thing right now. I hate 838 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: they expanded playoffs. Well, listeners know this. It makes it 839 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: incredibly random, and I don't like that. Still love baseball, 840 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: but if you want to act like anybody has more 841 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: than a sixty percent chance to win any series. I 842 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: disagree with you, Like, the best teams have an advantage obviously, 843 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: but if you look at some of the projections and stuff, 844 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: like the Dodgers have about as big of a favorite 845 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: as you can be in a three game series against 846 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,479 Speaker 1: the Reds and they're like sixty five percent to win. Yeah, 847 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: and it's like, good luck. Try to project what's gonna 848 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: happen in the Baseball PLAYLFFS. 849 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 2: Especially this year, it feels wide open, oh more so 850 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 2: than usual, even wide open this year because it's like there's. 851 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: No no, no may. Yeah, the teams have the best 852 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: records are teams that you don't like have a trustpector with, 853 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: like the Blue Jays, the Mariners, I get, the Brewers 854 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: like were great this year, but like they're not some 855 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 1: juggernaut talent wise, like the Phillies have issues, Zach Wheeler's 856 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: not available like all these things. 857 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 2: So yeah, I am taking the Seattle Mariners to win 858 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 2: it all. They're hot, they have the pitching, they have 859 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 2: a great lineup, kind of like quietly shout out to 860 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 2: Kevin Seitzer for unlocking that lineup because Seattle was abysmal 861 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 2: for years and now they just hit eighteen home runs 862 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 2: a game. But yeah, so I'll tak the. 863 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: Mariners probably at sixty home runs as a catcher, which 864 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 1: is the dose thing I've ever seen in my life 865 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: that actually happened. 866 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, playoff baseball, and as always, we have plenty 867 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 2: of brave stuff on the very immediate horizon to talk about. 868 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 2: Brad is gonna say Cyanara for two weeks. 869 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna country here about two weeks. But if you're not, folks, well, 870 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: we have four hosts, so we'll have plenty of content, 871 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: no less and probably better off quite honestly without me. 872 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure that if you polled listeners, some would say that. 873 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: And that's fine, that's that's the ma true of the beast. No, 874 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,720 Speaker 1: it should be fun. I love playoff baseball, Mariners honestly 875 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: be fun of the If the Marriags won of the 876 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: World Series, they're really be fun. Like tortured fan base. 877 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: They've never made it there, that'd be fun. Not quite 878 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: like Cubs, you know, curse stuff. But Marriagers have been 879 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 1: around for a long time and they haven't made it, 880 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: so it should be fun. Yeah, all right, Scott, let's 881 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: get out of here. That's a podcast on a Tuesday. 882 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: One more PSA. We could get an announcement any minute 883 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: about a prize Sicker. Could be tonight, could be tomorrow, 884 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,320 Speaker 1: could be Thursday. We will do our best to respond. 885 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 1: If it happens during the day on Wednesday or Thursday, 886 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: it'll still probably be the evening before we have a 887 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: podcast because we all have jobs. But there will be 888 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,320 Speaker 1: a podcast some point soon, yes, post post Snicker announcement, 889 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: post Alex comments about other things like famously, last year, 890 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,839 Speaker 1: Alex had a very eventful exit interview that we broke 891 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: down in detail on the show, So we will. 892 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 2: We will probably do a three man show whenever the 893 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 2: Braves give us some kind of resolution on Brian Snicker, 894 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 2: whether he's back or if he's retiring. Very likely we 895 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 2: would do a three men show with myself, Stephen and Sean, 896 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 2: and then we'll probably do a whole separate episode on 897 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 2: whatever Alex and Dappola says, because again, manager is like 898 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 2: the big domino that needs to fall. But then, as 899 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 2: we kind of outlined on the show tonight, a ton 900 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 2: of other things the Braves need to figure out this winter. 901 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 2: They should have some money to spend. Oh, there's some 902 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 2: talented free agency. The farm system is a little deeper 903 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,240 Speaker 2: than it's been in recent years, so you could probably 904 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 2: pull off a trade of significance. 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