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Speaker 1: the the Oaklhom City Thunder or your NBA Champions and

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Speaker 1: Tyre's Haliburton towards Achilles ten Right. I mean, there's some

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Speaker 1: other stuff we can talk about, but that's really that's

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Speaker 1: kind of the show today. Rick Bucker is going to

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Speaker 1: join us twenty five after the hour. Kevin Durrant was

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Speaker 1: traded over the weekend, and I actually love Kevin Durant's

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's statement yesterday right, which is he and Kay

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Speaker 1: Adams caught up with KD. We'll play that for you

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Speaker 1: next hour. Ryan Hollins will be our guest, so mostly

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Speaker 1: an NBA show, NBA show today. I'm getting ready for

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Speaker 1: the NBA Draft, which is Wednesday night. It happens really

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Speaker 1: really quickly, and the thunder have a couple of picks.

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Speaker 1: I will caution you with the idea of like it's

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Speaker 1: a dynasty, dynasty it let's just here's the way I

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Speaker 1: think it should work. Okay, here's the way I think

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Speaker 1: it should work. It should work in a way in

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Speaker 1: which we go. You know, they're positioned to be competitive

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Speaker 1: at the top of the league for the next half

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Speaker 1: decade if things go right. There you go, it's positioned.

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Speaker 1: They're positioned to be competitive at the top of the

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Speaker 1: league for the next four or five years if things

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Speaker 1: go right. And to anyone who says, you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: a new salary cap, the new you know, the new

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Speaker 1: salary cap, it's it's a dynasty killer or they're the

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Speaker 1: ones best position. That sounds great, but we don't know,

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Speaker 1: you know. And again you can go back historically back

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Speaker 1: when the Boston Celtics, you know, back when the Boston

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Speaker 1: Celtics had the Len Bias draft pick. Len Bias was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be the guy who reinvigorated them after Bill

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Speaker 1: Walton retired. You know, Larry Bird was starting, he was

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Speaker 1: his body was starting to break down, right, Robert Parrish

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Speaker 1: was getting old. And then len Bias tragically died from

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Speaker 1: a cocaine overdose the night after the NBA Draft, Like

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Speaker 1: it's crazy. Lewis gosh, what was his name? He played

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Speaker 1: also for the Celtics. Remember he was there. Reggie Lewis

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Speaker 1: been teams. The Chicago Cubs broke, you know, broke the curse, right,

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Speaker 1: broke the curse of the Billy Goat. They were supposed

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Speaker 1: to be a dynasty. And I can tell you because

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Speaker 1: never winning another one again. These guys hate each other.

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Speaker 1: They're all so young and full of ego, and they

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Speaker 1: went on a victory tour and it's never going to

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Speaker 1: be the same. It never has been. And I'd like

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Speaker 1: to think that these thunder are different. Right, they're young,

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Speaker 1: they didn't even know how to open the champagne bottles

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Speaker 1: last night? How great a story was that? Did you

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Speaker 1: guys hear that? Like the champagne bottles weren't popping, and

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Speaker 1: they're like, we guys, you know you won the championship

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Speaker 1: and like, somebody get Caruso in here. We don't know

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Speaker 1: how to pop champagne bottles. What that's the greatest thing

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Speaker 1: I've ever heard. But money and fame and attention can

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Speaker 1: change people. And I'll give you an example. They can

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Speaker 1: He's gonna you feel like he's gonna get better, but

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Speaker 1: you don't know. So if you give him the max contract,

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Speaker 1: one last night. Now what if you don't give him

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Speaker 1: not like we're not Caddy. We don't want more. You

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Speaker 1: of years, so the franchise will continue to just make

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Speaker 1: a ton of money. But I harken back. You know,

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Speaker 1: the head of iHeart, of course, iHeart owns Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: the guy that did the behind the scenes behind the

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Speaker 1: music VH one behind the music, which they need to

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Speaker 1: don't watch them now. I don't watch VH one. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what exists. Does VH one still exist?

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Speaker 1: feels like a Sam question. Sam, does VH one exist?

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Speaker 2: Get on the computer? A mistake?

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Speaker 1: You get on your old computer and uh type tip

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know either, Jason, VH one

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Speaker 1: Is that about how it worked? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Of the NBA totally fair, Okay, again, I don't know

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Speaker 1: but that's not the point. The point is that let's

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Speaker 1: me and all it basically is, you know, it's really

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Speaker 1: this Oklahoma City team. Look, I don't like the flopping.

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Speaker 1: the first half. It's a big play. It's a big play.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile Oklahoma City's making threes and then the turnovers. You

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Speaker 1: so many more shots. And sometimes basketball is just a

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Speaker 2: This is Yeah, this is not specific to Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 2: You would you take Steph then on that day in

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Speaker 2: And that's my point is and then if they run

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Speaker 1: let's start with the the Achilles thing. It's happened in

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Speaker 3: Wonderable pull up right, wondrible pull up right one, drible

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Speaker 3: You have to train for those moves. They're not training

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Speaker 1: wondering if it's not how we're building our muscle and

431
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Speaker 1: if we're training the achilles, if we're training the ligaments

432
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Speaker 1: and the tendants as much as we're training the big muscles.

433
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Speaker 3: Let me, let me slip this back to you at first,

434
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Speaker 3: and also keeping the way that Kiki did this step

435
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Speaker 3: back was different because of his size. Okay, these are

436
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Speaker 3: different moves now. Because there's sport going forward, there's court

437
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Speaker 3: going back, and there there's sport going back forward. How

438
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Speaker 3: many guys or how many drills have you ever seen

439
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Speaker 3: guys train that. You've seen them work on defensive slides.

440
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Speaker 3: You've seen band movements, you've seen side steps, but you

441
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Speaker 3: haven't seen that movement. That movement's not being trained.

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Speaker 1: I think it is. But okay, okay, I mean no, no, no.

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Speaker 5: Stay with me.

444
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Speaker 3: But we we trained sideways, we trained forward. But how

445
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Speaker 3: many times have you seen forward back and then back

446
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Speaker 3: forward because you've got to stay on balance into your shot. Never,

447
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: I've never seen it. Train, Doug. It's something you're gonna have.

448
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: It have to add into it.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about you're you're talking about training with you're

450
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Speaker 1: talking about training with with like like weights and like

451
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Speaker 1: workout not on.

452
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Speaker 3: The absolutely those actual movements, and we do all those

453
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Speaker 3: movements for everything else. But it's such a prevalent part

454
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Speaker 3: of the game, and we're not addressing it correct. We're

455
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Speaker 3: getting We're getting real nerdy right now, Doug.

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Speaker 1: We're really can no no, no, no, no, Honestly, this is way

457
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: more interesting than anything else. It's just way more interesting.

458
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: Like it completely changed the playoffs, right, Jason Tinman doesn't

459
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: get hurt. I don't think the Pacers get there right,

460
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: and or the you know, I don't know if the

461
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: Knicks close him out. It's it's very easy to go like,

462
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the Knicks were dominating that series anyway, there

463
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Speaker 1: win that game anyway, like I maybe for sure or

464
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Speaker 1: or you know, or maybe not right, and you know,

465
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Speaker 1: Lillard doesn't get hurt. The whole playoffs are different. They

466
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Speaker 1: just are so. And then of course last night's game,

467
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Speaker 1: it's and it's interesting. You know, Kirk Cousins just tore

468
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Speaker 1: his Aaron Rodgers the year before his kid named Jalen Moore,

469
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Speaker 1: who's was at Oklahoma, who's getting ready for the NBA

470
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Speaker 1: draft just tore his you know, and he's a he's

471
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Speaker 1: a wing, he's not a guard. So I'm just it's

472
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Speaker 1: super interesting. Uh oh, it was interesting until he hung

473
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Speaker 1: up on us. That's that that we'll we'll get him back.

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Speaker 1: Here's what we're gona We're gonna take quick. Oh he's back. Okay, Uh,

475
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Speaker 1: I don know.

476
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Speaker 3: I'm here. I don't know this guy. But but here's

477
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Speaker 3: the thing, Doug with Lillard, you know, he came back

478
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Speaker 3: too soon from the clock. He probably is conditioning whatever

479
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: it was was it there. We knew Aliburn shouldn't been

480
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Speaker 3: out there, bro.

481
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Speaker 6: So so those.

482
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Speaker 3: Two you can kind of see coming. It's it's Tatum

483
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: is the one. We're questioning it and why he's happening,

484
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Speaker 3: And like Doug, like you can't hide anymore. Like like

485
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Speaker 3: like back in the day, if the barn the ploutguard

486
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Speaker 3: had to be a he had to pick up ninety

487
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Speaker 3: four feet, Doug. And then if you are injured, go

488
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Speaker 3: gard the spot up shooting in the corner, more spot

489
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Speaker 3: up shooters, Doug. Nie Smithton's running off screens and making

490
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Speaker 3: plays like like like the other guys will be topping

491
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Speaker 3: his hidden step back threes, Miles Turners. You can't hide

492
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Speaker 3: in the NBA no more, Doug. That's the reality. And

493
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Speaker 3: then you gotta be busy on the other hand making

494
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Speaker 3: those plays, and that's what these guys are getting hurt.

495
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: Get hide.

496
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Speaker 1: Ryan Hollis, I guess you're on Doug out show on

497
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio is Oklahoma City. How would you rate

498
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: them in terms of champions in comparison to other champions

499
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Speaker 1: in our lifetime?

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Speaker 3: Who dog? That's that's so? Because I can't, I cannot.

501
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 7: I cannot have this nostalgic bias towards Kobe Bryant, towards

502
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 7: Michael Jordan, towards Larry Bird, towards Lebron James because these.

503
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Speaker 3: Kids are young and I haven't seen them the way

504
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: they've done it before. I cannot deny the numbers. Although

505
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Speaker 3: I'm not ready to jump off a bridge for SGA,

506
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: but I cannot deny the season that he has had

507
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Speaker 3: and the way that he's gotten busy against every team

508
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: in the league. No, he hasn't done it the way

509
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: that I've loved it. But did Kobe Bryant falbate? Of course?

510
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Speaker 3: You know, if you guard Kobe in your hand was

511
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Speaker 3: in a fookie jar. It was gonna draw that you

512
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: knew if you're too close to Kobe and.

513
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Speaker 1: Is different though it's different. Though it's different though like

514
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Speaker 1: what he does, there's a difference between driving in and

515
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Speaker 1: creating contact and grabbing somebody pulling them into you, you know,

516
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's different than anybody who says all

517
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Speaker 1: these guys shot free throwers, none of them would grab

518
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Speaker 1: somebody's arm, pull them into them, and then throw up

519
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Speaker 1: their hands and pretend they.

520
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Speaker 3: Were fould I agree, I agree, you're not wrong. I

521
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: don't want to pull away from them, but I don't

522
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: want to puintalize this guy. I'm in between Doug and

523
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Speaker 3: I need to see him do it two or three

524
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Speaker 3: more times before I'm just fall in. And I think

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Speaker 3: the chance for him to have to do it is

526
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Speaker 3: not And keep in mind, like the ball was in

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Speaker 3: his hands for the majority of it, Like it wasn't

528
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Speaker 3: like you know, like he took knights off and jayl

529
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Speaker 3: Williams had that one forty point game and they were

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Speaker 3: really good to pay like for the most part, when

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Speaker 3: they need, like the balls in his hands to me

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Speaker 3: the key for it to continue to move forward the

533
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Speaker 3: way it does. That will continue to sell me, because

534
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Speaker 3: I like, I'm not fully sold, but I'm sold. I

535
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Speaker 3: got respect for what he does. I don't want to

536
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Speaker 3: take away from SGA. The thing that will tell me

537
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: is the improvement of Chet Holgering. And I think that

538
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: as he puts on weight, he continues to get stronger.

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Speaker 3: He's the guy that creates a dynasty for Oklahoma City

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Speaker 3: right now. If he's planning against a big if he

541
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Speaker 3: has to rebound against somebody with size, he can get

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Speaker 3: thrown around a little bit. But if he can play

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Speaker 3: in space, he's beaten shots off the glass. Dude, he

544
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Speaker 3: can shoot, he can dribble. There's a lot that Check

545
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Speaker 3: can do. I think Checks that unicorn, okay, that takes

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Speaker 3: them to the next level that makes it a dynasty

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Speaker 3: or not. If Check doesn't get in line, it will

548
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Speaker 3: not be a dynasty, it will not be something we'll

549
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: be talking about for ages. I think they can be beatable.

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Speaker 3: Check's the guy that makes them unbeatable. That's where I

551
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Speaker 3: lean into Oklahoma City even stronger. But if Chet doesn't

552
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Speaker 3: put on strength, if Check is not able to guard

553
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Speaker 3: big or.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or if he can't make shots and he made

555
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Speaker 1: more last night, but he's lost his comments. Hey, Ryan,

556
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Speaker 1: you're the best. I'm actually we're gonna throw on dot

557
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Speaker 1: Alan Shamrock, who's works for Pavel works with the Packers

558
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Speaker 1: in a second and get his thoughts on it. But

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you join us, and let's let's talk

560
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Speaker 1: after the draft.

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Speaker 7: Okay, anytime, Doug, all right.

562
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Speaker 1: Let's welcome in doctor Alan Shamrock. He joins us now

563
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Speaker 1: on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports. TRADIERO. He's

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Speaker 1: an orthopedic sports medicine foot and ankle surgeon and doctor Shamrock.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. Okay, so thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. Yeah, I mean you and I just talked

567
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Speaker 1: about this earlier today. So it's not just basketball, right

568
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins. Granted they're a little older, but

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Speaker 1: there's been some younger players. There's a young college player,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Moore was at Oklahoma basketball player in a pre

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Speaker 1: draft workout towards achilles tenant. It does feel like again

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Speaker 1: feels you know, the numbers more, you know, it feels

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Speaker 1: like there's more of these higher volume of Achilles ten

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Speaker 1: and tears than previously at high level sports is that accurate?

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Speaker 3: I would say so.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I would say, just generally speaking, in the

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Speaker 6: population as the whole, there's certainly more Achilles ten ruptures.

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Speaker 6: I feel like, I know we're talking about lease athletes here,

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Speaker 6: but they're also happening in increasing numbers in the forty

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Speaker 6: fifty sixty year olds, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 6: that has to do with the popularity of pickleball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pickleball is a killer, right. You see pickleball dudes

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Speaker 1: go down. You're like, okay, so what do you think? Like,

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Speaker 1: you work on feet and ankles for a living. This

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Speaker 1: is what you do. What's your best guess on why

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Speaker 1: there's a higher volume of them than previously.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's really been interesting. I think that

588
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Speaker 6: the spike at the professional level on a national stage

589
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Speaker 6: has certainly gotten a whole lot of people interested. I

590
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Speaker 6: think that kind of delving into the Orthentedic literature what's

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Speaker 6: been published so far, there's never been a link between

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Speaker 6: having a prior calf injury or a calf strain increasing

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Speaker 6: your chance of having your Achilles tendon pop. I will

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Speaker 6: say though that I mean the calf up of two muscles,

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Speaker 6: the gas stock, the solely as they come together to

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Speaker 6: form the Achilles tendon, and the muscle and the tendon

597
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Speaker 6: function is one unit. And I think it passes the

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Speaker 6: common sense test that if that particular muscle tendon unit

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Speaker 6: is seeing a particular load and a portion of that

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Speaker 6: muscle is compromised and can't take that load, that load

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Speaker 6: has to.

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Speaker 1: Go somewhere, okay, So let me let me, let me

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Speaker 1: help people out here, and you tell me if this

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Speaker 1: is okay. So I trained with a guy, mart Murnovitch.

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Speaker 1: He was an incredible strength and conditioning coach in southern California.

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Speaker 1: And what we would do is we wouldn't just work

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Speaker 1: the gastric. We would work the solace, okay, which is

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Speaker 1: the little muscle. Right. And so but when you go

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Speaker 1: into a gym, okay, people do calf races, they do everything,

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Speaker 1: it's all for the gastric. They don't do for the solace.

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Speaker 1: And so there's an imbalance there is that what's behind

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Speaker 1: any of this that they're working, they're not working both

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Speaker 1: muscles and the ligaments and tendons.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, to your point, it's certainly important to

615
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Speaker 6: strengthen both because, like I said, they work in conjunction

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Speaker 6: with one another, I will say, playing Devil's advocate, no

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Speaker 6: one has ever demonstrated that any sort of asymmetry between

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Speaker 6: the two can be increasing your risk of having your

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Speaker 6: your your tendon tear. But I mean it's certainly been

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Speaker 6: a very interesting thought.

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Speaker 1: Last thing is this and doctor Alan Shamrocks joining us

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Speaker 1: here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. He works for Pravea.

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Speaker 1: He's the foot and ankle surgeon for the Green Bay

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Speaker 1: Packers as well as for the Green Bay Phoenix, and

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Speaker 1: he joins us here in the Doug Goatlib Show on

626
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio doc the rehab process. We have seen

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Speaker 1: players at football players come back sooner from it than previously.

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Speaker 1: How different is the surgery now from when you first

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Speaker 1: got into medicine.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the surgical techniques has certainly changed quite

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Speaker 6: a bit. I think previously we're making large incisions on

632
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Speaker 6: the back of people's ankles, which brought a lot of

633
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 6: wound problems a concern for infection, and that's gone away

634
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Speaker 6: with more of the minimally and based in surgical techniques

635
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Speaker 6: using smaller incisions and then various jigs the pass suitures

636
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Speaker 6: through the tendon where you don't even have to really

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Speaker 6: look at the tendon itself, and I think that is

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Speaker 6: a had the rehab process speed up relative to what

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Speaker 6: we've been doing maybe a decade decade and a half ago.

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Speaker 6: I will say though, that rehab for Achilles, it just

641
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 6: takes a long time. I mean, I still counsel people

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Speaker 6: in the community that I mean it's going to be

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Speaker 6: nine to twelve months before you're back to doing whatever

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Speaker 6: sport you're doing before this happened. And then at the

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Speaker 6: collegiate a professional level, I think it's from the order

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Speaker 6: of seven to nine.

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Speaker 1: Well, the great Achilles had one weakness, it was his heel,

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Speaker 1: and you are a man who fixes those that Achilles heel. Doc,

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Speaker 1: have a little discussion here. And I'm bummed at Dan's

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Speaker 1: I like having like a conversation with Dan because he's

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Speaker 1: been doing this a long time too. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: prisoner of the moment. I've watched this happen plenty of

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Speaker 1: times recently to know at least a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about what I'm talking about in regards to injuries and

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Speaker 1: this new kind of scourge of Achilles tendon injuries that

682
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Speaker 1: is going around all of basketball but also all of sports.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I mean. So last night, Tyre's Haliburton tear's

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Speaker 1: his Achilles tendon. And first I just now we also

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Speaker 1: and I think it goes back to the Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: and then onto the Aaron Rodgers, where we now know

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Speaker 1: what it looks like, right, like everybody staring at the

688
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: calf and then you see the calf kind of explode

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00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: and then you can almost see the Achilles recoil and

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I knew what that is. I know

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Speaker 1: what that is. And there were two moments this weekend

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Speaker 1: which I do think I could be wrong. You're going

693
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Speaker 1: to remember I don't know where you were, but your

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Speaker 1: reaction right when the President, when we found out that

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Speaker 1: the President had bombed I ran, I guarantee all of

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Speaker 1: you were like, well I was. I remember I was

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Speaker 1: in at the Champion Center in Appleton, Wisconsin, watching high

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Speaker 1: school kids play at this recruiting event, and you know

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Speaker 1: all asod. I look at my phone and some of

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Speaker 1: my friends had sent me memes. I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know, Like what's the matter with you? Like what

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Speaker 1: are you talking about? And then I got in my

703
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Speaker 1: car and I'm driving and Buddy, Michael Kitty, you believe it,

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Speaker 1: and then we start talking about it. Anyway, I think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna remember the NBA Finals, maybe for Halliburton's game

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Speaker 1: winner in Game one, I guess because of the thunder

707
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Speaker 1: winning in Game seven. But I think the most memorable

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Speaker 1: moment is going to be tearing his achilles tendon. And

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Speaker 1: I've the great thing about this show is it starts

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Speaker 1: at three on the East, noon in the West, and

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Speaker 1: it gives some really talented people like Dan Patrick, like

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Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd, two Pros and a cup of Joe a

713
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Speaker 1: chance to speak their mind and then we can either

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Speaker 1: react to that, echo their thoughts or maybe look at

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Speaker 1: things a little bit differently. This is not a basketball thing,

716
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: it's a sports thing. And you're like, well, I just

717
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, we watched Jason Tatum, we watched Damian Lillard,

718
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Speaker 1: we watched uh Tyrese Haliburton. Uh those are all basketball players.

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Speaker 1: They just tore their Achilles tenant. I'll add to it

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Speaker 1: that in the last week, Jalen Moore, who played basketball

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Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech and then Oklahoma, he was doing pre

722
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Speaker 1: draft workouts. He tours Achilles tennont. So the the difference

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Speaker 1: is it used to be an injury where Dominiquilkins late

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Speaker 1: in his career towards Achilles tennant. It used to be

725
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Speaker 1: one where the wear and tear of a long career.

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00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: Maybe that's it gets brittle. It's just overused and just

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Speaker 1: goes right. It's like the rubber band that gets pulled, pulled,

728
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: pull pull, pull pull pull, then finally all right. But

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Speaker 1: let's let let's let's hit the all of the different

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Speaker 1: things first. Don't do that. It's the vaccination thing because

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers toward his that it. It's and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if if Kirk Cousins was vaccinated or not. I

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Speaker 1: guess as he wasn't. So let's stop with the vaccine thing.

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Speaker 1: Are we okay with Chase stew Are you okay with

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Speaker 1: me going Vaccine's not it? I'm gonna go, yes, Vaccine's

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Speaker 1: not it. If we do the overuse thing, you're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well they do play a couple more playoff games than

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Speaker 1: they used to. And they're like, well, the NBA playoffs

739
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: are so long. Well, they're so long because the games

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Speaker 1: are spaced out in order to give them more rest

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Speaker 1: than they used to have, because the NBA playoffs have

742
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Speaker 1: always gone into June, always, always, always, always, and they've

743
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Speaker 1: always played eighty two games, and players used to always

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Speaker 1: play eighty two games. And the medical treatment after the

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00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: games has gotten better, not worse. So I don't buy

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Speaker 1: the or they play more games they used to, not really.

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Speaker 1: Tyre's Halliburton plays many three games this year Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 1: and I know he and Halliberton were on the Olympic team,

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00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: but neither of them really played that much. Now there

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Speaker 1: is extensive work and whatever. But okay, Damian Lillard again.

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00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: Then you go to football, Uh, what was the what's

752
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: the running back of the Rams who a couple of

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00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: years ago towards Achilles ten camp Akers? Okay, I give

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Speaker 1: you Jalen Moore, I give you cam Akers. There's also

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Speaker 1: what's the guard who was San Antonio Atlanta tore his

756
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: this year? Right? Je Jonta Murray toars cost so it's

757
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: not age. I don't believe it's games played. Jeantay Murrie

758
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: played deep into the playoffs. He hadn't played a lot

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Speaker 1: of games.

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Speaker 7: He's young.

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Speaker 1: Jayalen Moore's not played in the NBA. You know, I

762
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Speaker 1: played college basketball season, a couple of college bustible seasons.

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Speaker 1: I don't buy the it's the number of games things.

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Speaker 1: So I've heard people go like, well, it's the all

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Speaker 1: of them are when guys take that kind of reverse

766
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: step and then they push off, like so that people

767
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: just started doing that just now. No, that basketball has

768
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Speaker 1: always been stressed in your achilles tenon. And again quarterbacks

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00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: have always gone back and taken that negative step and

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00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: planted and thrown. There's always that pressure on achilles tendon.

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Speaker 1: Only now it seems like there's more guys. So it

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Speaker 1: wasn't the vaccine. Please stop with its low tops. Stop

773
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Speaker 1: with its low tops. There's never been a study that

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Speaker 1: shows that high tops protect you from anything, especially an

775
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: achilles tenant. To wear high tops, okay, and put your

776
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: toe down and plant, and there's zero difference, none in

777
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Speaker 1: the pressure on your achilles ten and wearing high tops.

778
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: There used to be a shoe and I'm a basketball shoe. Guy,

779
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 1: I've worn I tried them all, and I think Buyer

780
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Speaker 1: might be the only other human being in the world

781
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: who remembers this because he's also Midwest guy. Do you

782
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: remember there was the Converse weapons, but they also had

783
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: the why bar? Did you ever remember the y bar ones?

784
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: They were like weapons that had an ankle brace, almost

785
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: like inserted into it.

786
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Speaker 2: No, No, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now remember Dan Marino towards Achilles tenon, right, So

788
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: it had happened before. It's just the volume of them,

789
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: and now it's not reserved for older players. Now you've

790
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Speaker 1: got younger players doing it. I don't believe it's the

791
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: stinkers because the sneker technology is way better. It doesn't

792
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: make any sense, right, I mean, like we used to

793
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 1: play Air Force ones. Used to be basketball sninkers. People

794
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: used to play in Air Force ones. I played Air

795
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 1: Force ones. By the way, air Force two remarkably underrated shoe. Okay,

796
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: but the technology wasn't better then than it is now,

797
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: so that doesn't make any sense. Please don't say it's Nike.

798
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: Haliburton was wearing pumas Lillard was wearing Adidas. So again,

799
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Speaker 1: let's in order to figure out what it is. We

800
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: have to cross off what it's not. I don't believe

801
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: it's too many games, because they're playing the same number

802
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: of regular season games only I don't know if any

803
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: of these guys play No nobody plays eighty two games anymore,

804
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: and they used to always play any two games, and

805
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: they didn't used to tear their achilles tenants. That doesn't

806
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: make any sense. They've added a handful of games to

807
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, right, first round used to be three, then

808
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: it was five, now it's seven. But again, guys have

809
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Speaker 1: torn their achilles tennants in the regular season. That doesn't

810
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Speaker 1: make any sense. You can say, well, these guys are

811
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Speaker 1: so much bigger and stronger of top top heavy Haliburton's not.

812
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense, right, So we're trying to get

813
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: to what it is. What it's not is. It's not vaccine,

814
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Speaker 1: it's not too many games, it's not the sneakers, and

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Speaker 1: it's also happened in football. I don't think it's nutrition

816
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: because people eat better than it what it was. So

817
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: here's my best guess. Okay, here's my best guess. I

818
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: think we're building bodies the wrong way.

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Speaker 4: I do.

820
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Speaker 1: I think we're building bodies the wrong it's the only possible.

821
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Speaker 1: We're building by the wrong way. And then I think

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Speaker 1: there's a portion of it which I wonder. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: All of this is hypotheses, and I didn't pay attention

824
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: a lot in school. I'm not just sitting here trying

825
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: to brag. I do remember the difference between hypotheses and theory.

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Speaker 1: A theory is something that has proven scientifically through a study.

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Speaker 1: Hypothesis is something that you wonder that has some sort

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Speaker 1: of facts behind it, but it is yet to be

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Speaker 1: scientifically proven. My hypothesis for why there is just so

830
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Speaker 1: many recent Achilles ten and tears instead of one every

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Speaker 1: couple of years. Two Now, we've got three star players

832
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and I've gone through two star quarterbacks

833
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: the last two years. I've torn it, and we could

834
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Speaker 1: go through a litany of guys. It never happened before

835
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Speaker 1: at this volume. If you say it did, your lying.

836
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Speaker 1: But they're playing the same number of games in the

837
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Speaker 1: NBA at a couple of playoff games. That's it. I'm

838
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: torn in terms of the only play one sport thing, right,

839
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: because Aaron Rodgers didn't just play one sport. A lot

840
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: of these guys play multiple sports growing up, but there

841
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: is the specialization to it. So is it the specialization

842
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: and taking time off in the offseason that allows you

843
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: to build your body. Maybe maybe you know it trains

844
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: other muscles so it protects it. I guess that could

845
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Speaker 1: be it. I also think there's a part of me

846
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: that says basketball players now, when I played, and you know,

847
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: I finished playing college in two thousand finished playing professionally

848
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, okay, but when I played,

849
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Speaker 1: and how I was brought up with my dad, who

850
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: was a jay, was a walk on JV player in college,

851
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: is basketball players play basketball. I played basketball all the time,

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00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: even when I played baseball, even when I played football,

853
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: even when I played tennis. I would always play basketball

854
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: when I when I played in the summer, you'd go

855
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: home and yeah, I'd work out my dad and I

856
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: would shoot, but I would always play. You go up

857
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: to UCLA, you play pickup games. We go to Columbus

858
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: tust And gym and we get the guys. Or I'd

859
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: go down to to uh the Newport and now it's

860
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: pacifica Christian's gym, but it's the West Newport Gym. And

861
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: that was like Scottie Brooks and Todd Murphy and all

862
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: the U c Irvine guys that were pros. I'd hop

863
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: in with them or at Los Cabriiras. We played basketball

864
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, we lift weights, we work with trainers,

865
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: but we played basketball. Now in the offseason, nobody plays

866
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: five on five very little. You know, you'll see those

867
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: there's that in I think it's like an LA Fitness

868
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: in New York, where they'll play a little bit, but

869
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: for the most part, everybody's got their trainer and everybody

870
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: does cone drills. And I'm not sure if that doesn't

871
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: build your body in a way along with the trainers

872
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: that is so sports specific and so that it's not

873
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: functioning like it functions in a game. Then you get

874
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: into a game and suddenly there's an imbalance. It's got

875
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: to be the way in which we're constructing these bodies.

876
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: They're more explosive, they have greater endurance, they have greater

877
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: loateral quickness, they're just better in terms of their performance,

878
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: but they also break down more. I don't think there's

879
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: anybody that can that can deny that. So my hypothesis

880
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: is it is not the vacs. It is not too

881
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: many games. And by the way, they're never gonna have

882
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: fewer games. Stop at Colin again. We've told you that before.

883
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: The one thing that sports is never going to do.

884
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: They're never going to take away games because that takes

885
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: away money. And it's not just the league, it's the players, like, Hey,

886
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: do you want to play less games?

887
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 4: Yes?

888
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: Do you want to make less money? Nope? It doesn't

889
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: work that way, But there is there's nothing that tells

890
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: us it's too many games. It's got to be something else.

891
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: And my best guess is how we construct bodies. I

892
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: am my trainer, who was Troy Palamalu's trainer, and others,

893
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: the late Marv Vinovich. Okay, anybody who's in sports note

894
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: Todd Marv was different, but Marve was incredible. He worked

895
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: on your ligaments and your tendons as well as your

896
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: nervous system and making it all together. I don't think

897
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: people do that. I think people work on balance, and

898
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: they work on explosiveness. They work on the big and

899
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: the little muscles, But I don't know if they work

900
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: on the ligaments and tents and how it all works together. Byer,

901
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: do you have any hypotheses you'd like to share? As

902
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: to what happens.

903
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 2: No, And I just think that your at least expertise,

904
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: I don't know how you want to put it, your connections,

905
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: your job is much more educated than anything that I

906
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 2: could bring up. I just on a surface level, wondered

907
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: if you know, if it was a strength training thing

908
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: or a lack of strength training that we're going through,

909
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: is it? You know, were those sort of maybe reasons

910
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: why we're seeing it more. It's also funny too, is

911
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: I've mentioned on the show on Sunday of we now

912
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: kind of have this eerie feel when it comes to

913
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: a calf strain of what could happen. And while we

914
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: thought that Halliburton was, you know, made it through the

915
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: woods because he got through Game six, he obviously wasn't.

916
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 2: And I just think now going forward, yeah, we're going

917
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: to look at the injury even more differently than we

918
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: did entering this game seven. But it was already there

919
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: with Tatum and Lillard and Kevin Durant in twenty nineteen.

920
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: But you would know a lot more about it, especially

921
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: on how you know these athletes are training.

922
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I talked to I talked to doctor Shamrock

923
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: with the Packers today, and he told me, like you said,

924
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: they now believe that the calf strains it's a weakness.

925
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: They don't know whether the cap strain is really it's

926
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: really an Achilles strain or more he said, more likely.

927
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: It just means there's gonna be more pressure on the achilles,

928
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: and that's what leads to it. But again, what leads

929
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: to the more cap strains and the weaker Achilles or

930
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: all that pressure