WEBVTT - Chameleon w/ Sharon Lawrence 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.760 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:30.600 stories done done, Hey bitches, It's That's Messed Up an 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.800 SVU podcast. My name is Lisa Traeger and my name 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:34.640 is Kara Klank. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:39.559 And every week we dive into an episode of Law 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.640 and Order SVU, we get out of the pool, we 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:46.440 dive back into the true crime. Then we interview an artist, 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.479 an actor, someone involved with the episode. And before all that, 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.400 we just chat and check in on each other's lives. Lisa, 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.400 you always have fun shit going on. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.280 Yeah, because we don't text NonStop it Yeah, all times, 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:02.760 we have to check up through zoom. Well, I do 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.640 have some spooky season news. I feel like I might 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.240 have watched this as a kid. I don't know, but 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.520 I watched Alvira with my friend in Chicago, and it 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.919 was such an enjoyable experience and so ahead of her time. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.640 She is getting sexually assaulted throughout the whole movie and 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.000 beating the shit out of men, and like being mad 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:24.440 that people are grabbing her, being sassy to assholes and 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.039 like have The first five minutes is her leaving her 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.280 job because the new manager like assaults I don't think 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.880 I've seen it and touches her tits. 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:36.800 Wow, I've seen like so much Alvira, but I don't 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:38.959 know if I've seen like a full No, we just. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.680 Watch We just watched drag Race. We just know, how's 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.280 your head? A kid, I knew who Elvira was when 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:45.880 I was a kid. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.680 It was like I've seen like bits, but I don't 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.920 think i'd ever seen like the full movie. But yeah, 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.080 she's ann and she just came out after like two 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.640 decades or something. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.000 And yeah, it's really timely. But she was ahead of 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.640 her time in the subject matter, the humor and everything. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:02.640 And I was with my friend Marty and him and 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.920 his girl Sarah. They love you like they are the 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.359 king and queens of YouTube clips, like we watch old 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.000 commercials like they always have a new genre of YouTube. 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.600 Should have showed me. And so right after we watched it, 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.720 they were like, let's watch Roger and Ebert talk about it. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.960 And then we watched Roger and Ebert talk about Elvira. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.560 That is one of my favorite things to do, and 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.280 that's something I didn't really start doing until LA. Like 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.080 I don't know why I didn't do this with people 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:26.880 in New York. Maybe it was just like when people 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.400 started getting smart TVs where like their TVs were hooked 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:30.040 up to YouTube. 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.120 Was more like around when I was in and out of. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.560 LA, but like going to people's houses and just being like, 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.320 oh no, this is my favorite video and like just 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.639 show it. Like watching a bunch of like funny YouTube 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.120 clips is like really fun. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.840 Yeah, but they're like professionals, So anything I suggest, they're like, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.600 oh yeah, they we've seen that. Oh okay, And I'm like, okay, cool, 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.200 Like I am never the ones suggesting everything I suggest. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.320 They're like, that's from nine years ago. Oh, I mean 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.239 it's it's when I messaged you go you and my 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:59.320 all like this teen singing paparazzi at a show and 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.400 I sent it to Dave Mazzonia Matt Rogers and they 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:05.960 were like this came out fourteen years ago. Like they're like, 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:07.799 you truly are a girl who gets it, Like you're 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.080 so late to the game, but you're trying to be 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.240 an ally and I'm like, I'm bawling at this guy. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.320 He's probably has a full finance job, like he's probably 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.520 married with a child by now, and I'm like, this 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.399 kid's got it. I'm late, I'm late. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.679 I'm the same. I'll be like, have you seen the kid? 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.280 I'll be like, have you seen the man Tito lip sync? 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:29.040 The news? 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.160 Like guys or like I just watched Like yeah, i 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.040 will watch the shit that's so old, and I'll watch 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.000 the same ones over and over. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:35.680 That really cracked me up. But I'm like, have you 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:36.960 seen Charlie bit my finger? 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.960 And they're like, yeah, have you seen that kid that's 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:40.839 at the State Fair going? 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:41.040 Oh? 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:50.680 Apparently apparently YouTube? So that was my spooky season thing. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.520 And I am doing a show at Union Hall in 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:53.960 New York City on Halloween. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.400 Oh yes, this episode comes out a few days before Halloween. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.360 So if you haven't gotten tickets, We've posted about in 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.960 our stories, but go to Lisa's page Glitter Cheese on 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.000 Instagram and get all the scoop on that New York 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.000 show because that's going to be dope. And Union Hall 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:09.680 is such a fun venue and not huge, so tickets 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.800 will go and it will sell out, So got them quickly. 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:13.640 Yeah, and it's the start of the night, so then 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.520 you can party all night. I just knew if I 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.960 didn't have structured fun, I wouldn't wear a costume. And 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.360 I knew I wanted to be fun like I need. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.800 Are you are you announcing in advance what your costume 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:24.040 is because I know what it is? Or are you 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:25.280 waiting for people to see it? 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.279 I have to wait? I have to ready. Yeah, but 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.120 I think I'm going to be a hit. I think 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:31.839 New York City is going to come out for me. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:33.719 I think they're going to be excited for what I 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.040 am offering. Well, it's gonna be in West Nayak the 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:40.240 weekend before. Listen, I'm on the road and I, oh, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.080 it's eleven eleven. Make a wish. Oh, you guys don't know. 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:44.840 You can be listening to this at all times. But 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.640 it just hit eleven eleven, which means we're doing everything 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.479 right in our lives. We're on the right path, and 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.000 we're exactly where we need to be. So that's a 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.040 pretty exciting reassurance from the universe. Except my ear piercing 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:01.920 is infected. That's just like, but you're wearing real gold. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.520 I don't get it. And I've seen you at Moontower. 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.520 You were really doubts in that thing with the end 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:13.919 septic or whatever. Really. Oh, also it's funny and speaking 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.720 of muntar, I sent Margaret Show a message because I'm 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.920 desperate for her love, and Kara messaged me going, Margaret 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:24.279 Show messaged us. I go, no, I messaged her, but 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:25.279 she did respond. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.839 She did thought she sent us a message, but I 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.440 didn't realize that. Lee's never mind, you guys get it. 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.200 But like she did respond, so I, you. 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.280 Know, no, I think the reason is and I read 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.000 about the ears. So with tattoos, like you have to 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.320 be careful, but after a few days, like it's fine, 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.479 you know, it's it'll be fine. But piercings, I didn't 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.200 really They're an open wound, yeah, and you have to 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.440 treat it like a wound. So I accidentally, I think 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.840 in Chicago while partying, maybe didn't wash it for a 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.760 day or two, or like I slept on my dirty 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.440 she you know, I touched it. Well. My sister told 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.680 me to twist it, and then everything I read was 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.000 like do not twist your earring. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.880 So oh yeah, that's like maybe that might be like 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.040 an old wives tale, yeah thing and. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.760 It's like your dirty hands and in the cut, so 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.120 I think it was just like a two day Like 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.200 I was just like kind of shady for two days 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.719 and that was enough to get infected. And I was like, oh, yes, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.640 piercings are wounds. Tattoos are also wounds, but they're just 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.080 more relaxing to take care of. I think for sure 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:25.200 this is two months. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:27.760 It's gonna hurt, oh girl, as I told you when 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.320 I was a kid, and yes, I was a kid, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:30.760 so I'm sure it was like dirty and I'm sure 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:31.279 my mom. 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.160 Did not get me like pure gold jewelry. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.640 But like I went through like two years of in 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.440 and out of having my ears infected, but now they're perfect, 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.240 Like I can not wear earrings, wear earrings like, well, 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.480 I can wear cheap earrings, I can wear anything. Like 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.400 my ears are like I'm just indestructible now. But it 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.560 did take like some time to toughen them up. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.239 And it's just embarrassing to go through this much pain 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.120 because I want to be like Emma Chamberlain. The only 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.480 reason I want second second Pierce Tolls is because of 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.240 a twenty year old YouTuber and that and now I'm 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.719 like infected and in pain and can't sleep, like it 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.200 is pretty Upsey. I gotta do what you gotta do. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.920 You're you're an influencer on the rise. I'm trying, so 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:13.840 I do want to give a shout out. So I 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.840 got to stay at the Drake Hotel in Chicago, which 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.760 was my childhood dream. And did I talk about this 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.240 on the last time. You didn't. You just told me personally, Okay, 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:28.840 we'll cut that or not. You guys seem to like us. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.880 I met some nice people at the Chicago show that 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.440 I did. It was really exciting. My old nanny boss 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.120 was there. But I got to say at the Drake Hotel, 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.480 which was my childhood dream. I've wanted to stay there 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.880 since I was a kid. Like when you drive down 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.480 Lake Show Drive, there's like a ga zbo to the 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.880 left I've always wanted to get married in. And then 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.840 to the right was this beautiful hotel. So I got 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:52.600 to stay in it. I got to go to the bar. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.880 I had a Manhattan like I was just living my 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.640 It seemed like Trey McDougal from Sex and the City 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.440 would hang out there. It's old money, letter dark yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.720 yea yeah, Titanic vibes. You know, it's not hip, you know, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.760 they're known for tea time. But I met a former 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.080 NFL player who is an announcer on the Big Ten network. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.520 He has a championship with Ohio State. He's told me 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.040 his wife loves SVU. I hope she's now listening. But 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.280 Joshua Perry and so because I saw his Louis Vuitton 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:23.960 wallet and he's like, oh yeah, I stay here for 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.680 work for fifteen weeks in the fall. And I go, sir, 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.200 you're clearly in football. I'm not a fool. I'm not 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:30.720 a fool. 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.000 I would never I would have been like, oh cool, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:34.760 your company sends you to Chicago. 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.480 Nido, what do you do? No, Immediately I'm like brand name. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:40.560 I was embarrassed to put my fanny pack on the 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.600 bar because of his Louis wallet. But fifteen weeks in 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.000 the fall is just so specific. So I got to 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:48.960 like hang out with this cool football player and I 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.680 was like, this is this is what dreams are made 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.600 out of. And at the Drake they have couches in 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.360 the elevator. You could take a seat if you want. 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.240 Ooh wow, I've never seen a couch in an elevator. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.559 That's excited. Yeah, just see. And I found an Instagram 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:04.840 called eating in Bed and my new goal in life 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.480 is to be featured on it. 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.760 Oh, anyone got the tip for Lisa to get on 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.360 eating in bed? I am actually the opposite, as so 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.439 much of our personality is are opposite. 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.920 I never eat in bed, and it makes me nervous 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.400 to do it. Yeah. No, Sometimes I'm sleeping and I 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.000 feel crumbs all around me. It is part of no. 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.600 I listened to this podcast with Casey Wilson and she 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.760 constantly she has like full meals in bed, and she 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.640 talks about it all the time, and it's just like that. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.760 It gives me anxiety even to hear her talk about it. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.000 I'm like, oh my god, you're eating like a huge, 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.160 like a huge takeout meal in a hotel. I have 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.560 done it because I don't care as much. But in 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.920 my own personal bed, no, Well, I also don't have 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:47.640 a table, so it's tough. 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:50.800 It makes it difficult. 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:51.199 No. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.079 The trick in hotels is if you have two beds, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.760 once for eating sleeping. Yeah. Yeah, Wait, are you telling 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.839 people for Halloween or are you keeping it secret too? 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.080 Yours is a good costume, you know what. 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.640 I actually saw Georgia on the weekend and was like 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.280 we were going to tell each other our costumes and 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.400 then we're like, let's just wait and like find out. 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.520 So I'm not going to say because I don't want anyone. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:14.960 I don't know, not that I even know if Georgia 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.040 listens to our podcast. But I was just like, I'm 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.040 keeping it secret. So I'll tell you guys. You'll see, 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.760 We'll put our costumes on our Instagram, right, We'll like 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.760 take pictures and show on our Instagram like what we 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:25.520 were for Halloween. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:31.320 So oh oh yes, I will be and mine is 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.480 so obvious. I won't even have to do a side 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.480 by side of the real thing, like you'll see and 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.280 you'll be like, wow, yeah. It also might be a 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.280 popular one this year too. I don't. I don't really 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:41.120 who knows, I don't know. 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.480 I think yours is really fun and yours is a 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.440 very I think both of us are doing, if you know, 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.760 you know, kind of costumes. Your description of the Drake 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.079 kind of reminded me of the Campbell Apartment. Have you 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.520 ever been there in New York? Never even heard of it. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.959 It's this really like beautiful bar right off of it's 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.040 attached to Grand Sound, and it's what you're describing like 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.199 dark leather, old money, Like the drinks. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.280 Are like twenty dollars, you know, like it's but it's uh. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:08.640 Next time you're in New York, if you want that 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.840 kind of experience, you should go well. 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.320 And you know, some people commented like, oh, but that's 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.760 like a powerful move, and then some people. I don't know, 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.080 but it was fun to be sitting in the tea 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.520 room in a sweatshirt while like high as hell, while 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.640 everyone is in tuxedos gowns, really dressed up for the affair, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.719 and I was just like postmating dunkin Donuts to the Titanic. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:34.600 I just heading down in my brawsers sweatpants and so 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.480 I liked that. And then I stole the door sign, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.319 of course, so I have my drink door. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.760 I always have to create a memory for myself. You're 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:49.040 very vivian at the plaza or whatever. No, No, where 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.040 is she theis? 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:57.120 No? No, I'm talking to woman woman okay, eloise hit 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:01.080 the plase. No, No, what she's saying. I'm pretty woman 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.360 like the Beverly Hilton or something like that. But I 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.720 don't remember. But she was more slutty, I mean, if 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.600 I could, Yeah, she's more slutty, but. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.520 She was definitely kind of like, I don't care, you 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:11.880 know that vibe? 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.040 Yeah, you have nothing to prove here. It feels nice. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.000 It feels nice to be so chill. Also, last night 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.560 I ran into someone that's obsessed with forensic files and 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.760 we got to talk back and forth about our favorite 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.560 forensic files and everyone around us was disgusted and why. 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.800 And I met someone else that collects Simpson's toys. I 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.520 had a really what a weekend, a real wild weekend. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.360 And I don't know if I told you this. I 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.680 ran into Asafali. Do you know him? Yeah, you guys 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.200 know his face. He's like in every single TV show 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.400 and movie right now. He's crushing the game. And so 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.200 we were talking at a show and I guess we 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.280 talked for like forty forty five minutes. And the photographer 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.160 in another comic, we're standing near us, and the photographer went, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.760 I've been trying to wait for a pause in the 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.520 conversation to take a photo, and you guys didn't pause. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.760 That's the longest uninterrupted conversation I've ever seen in my life. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.920 And the other comic was like, you guys didn't take 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.400 a drink, not a breath, not a moment, He goes, 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.000 I've never seen anything like it, And I guess me 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.359 and Auso just talked so much that they felt uncomfortable 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:17.199 to interrupt us. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.839 And I was like, wow, that's there's there's a reason 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.360 you have a born to chat bitcoin tattoo on your body. 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.720 I mean, you are you are born to chat. That's 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.440 who I watched Alvira with as who I have the 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.720 matching tattool right right right. But I just was like 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.800 laughing so hard that they kept they just like we 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.800 just couldn't stop talking. Oh wait, do you love that 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.000 Joe Cooy and Chelsea Handler are in love? Because I do. Yeah, 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:42.679 it's cute. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.040 It's so funny to me, because I was obsessed with 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.400 Chelsea Handler, Like I was obsessed with the show Chelsea. 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.640 I like I watched it like truly every night, and 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.480 like he was always on, and like I never even 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.520 saw a spark between them, do you know what I mean? 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.719 Like I never saw any kind of thing like that. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.880 And so when she heard really announced it, I was like, 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:02.679 is this a gag? And then I was like, oh 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.440 my god, they're so happy, and like she seems so excited. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.959 I'm happy for her, yeah, and she commented like age 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.240 is a wonderful thing or something like that. Yeah, Like, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.439 I don't know, I like love their love and I'm 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:14.600 ready for this journey. 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.120 It's a lot, I feel like where people grow up 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.320 and then they realize that their old friend is kind 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.400 of like the one you know, I mean yeah. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.640 Yeah, and they're both like successful and funny and attractive. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.440 And then Ausuf brought this up, but he's like, and 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.920 they're age appropriate. That never happens in Hollywood. You have 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:36.720 Dane Cook fucking stroll in high school. So it's it's 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.360 exciting to I don't know. I'm like I they can 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:40.960 never post enough. I want more and more. 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.720 Oh yeah, they're probably going to have a really fun 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.080 like Instagram life and then the breakup could be explosive. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.280 But let's hope they know. I'm gonna see wedding picks. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.120 I'm on that train. I love true love. 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.400 Yeah yeah, yeah, No, I'm definitely I'm happy for her, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:57.760 Like you know, I. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.480 Have a new crush and I'm trying to not repeat 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.480 patterns and project everything onto this person and be casual 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.480 at this. Yes you do, oh yes, I do, Yes, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.880 I do yes. I do. Sorry, Sorry so annoying I do. 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.000 Oh my god, Sorry, I. 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:12.720 Just thought for a second it was a different thing. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.240 I was like, I know about it, of course, and 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.280 I'm trying to stake Oh my god, we have to 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.040 move on. But we have to talk about the news too, 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.680 before we get into this horrific episode. Actually I hit 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.920 well because it's just whatever. I'm making connections to sex 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.520 and the city that don't even make sense. But there 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.320 was news. I didn't go too much into it because 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.480 things like this upset me, and most of Kara and 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.840 my lives are researching horrific things, so sometimes I try 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.680 to like protect my energy. But there was a rape 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:46.120 on a Pennsylvania train and people just watched and did 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:50.680 nothing and videotaped it. Yeah, I'm the same of you. 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:52.960 This popped up on my red This popped up on 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.040 Reddit for me, and I couldn't. I couldn't watch the 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.520 video and I couldn't I couldn't like get like too 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.360 too deep into it because it's truly a nightmare of 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.600 mine because of an SVU, Like everybody, I'm not sure 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.400 that I'm not sure the titled the episode, but the 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.400 episode with Nicole Sullivan from Mad TV where she's like 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.560 this boss bitch that gets onto the train first thing 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.240 with her coffee, and then like really quickly, this man 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.240 gets on the train like rapes her on, like the 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.360 C train, which was the train I took every day 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:18.920 in New York. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.119 And all these people just watch. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.040 And are like ugh, and it's like very you know, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.680 I'm sure everybody wants to bring in like Kitty Genevez 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.200 and like the bystander effect and everything, but that scene 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.440 haunted me. And then that's exactly what just happened. And 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.240 it's like I understand everybody thinks they're helping by getting 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.200 shit on video, but like if there's a way that 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.840 you can help without endangering yourself. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.840 Or you know, you're stopping a rape, like what the fuck? 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.960 Yeah, it's really so horrific, Like I can't even. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:49.560 And it's a group of you, like you could have 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.800 done it. I mean, I never mind my business, but 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.640 you never know what you're how you're gonna act in 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.560 the moment. You know, you think you're preps for stuff, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.600 and then you know, it's what we talk about. You 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.920 can't act normal and abnormal circumstances. But I just can't 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.840 imagine sitting watching someone get raped. There's no fucking way. 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.080 And I actually know that because I have intervened in 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:08.919 multiple things throughout my life. Content. 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:14.080 Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean hopefully they caught they got 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:15.960 the guy, right. I mean I didn't even look into 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:17.560 it enough, but I hope they got the guy. 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.240 They got the guy. Hannah knows they got the guy. 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.400 I think the most horrific thing though about the news 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.560 article is that it lasted over six minutes in the 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.320 previous forty five minutes before he was harassing her in 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.560 front of people. Oh so that really people need to 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:31.400 step up their case. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:32.919 Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:34.359 Like if you're just sitting there and taping it, I 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.119 feel like you should be like ashamed of yourself. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.879 It's like, it's like horrific. I bet those people will 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.760 hope fully live with this guilt and shame for the 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:45.840 rest of their lives. I hope it weighs heavy on 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.480 them forever. Yeah, because it is. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.439 Go get a conductor, Go get like I don't know, 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.040 go get somebody a ress. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.080 The emergence the emergency thing. 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.040 Like there's ways you can do if you feel physically 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.119 anxious or you that you are like know, compromised in 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.560 a way that you can't help physically, like there's got 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.640 you know, there's things you can do, like Jesus. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.440 But what is it? What is it? Is it? Like 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:10.440 I is it the I don't want to be wrong? 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:10.760 Is it? 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.000 It's not my business? Is it? Maybe she want? Like 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:15.879 what is in the minds of the people. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.600 I think it's a fear usually, I mean I don't know, 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.280 Like I said, like I feel I just told you 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.280 guys this story off camera. But like I one time, 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.040 my sister and I walked him on to a huge 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.000 crowd watching a homeless guy get beat up, and I 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.040 got right up to the guy's face, and my sister 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.679 was halfway down the block, like she's so such a 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.920 nervous person, like that flight is her response and fight 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.880 was more my response. And that's just I think that's 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.960 like maybe just an inherent thing. But when you're on 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.879 like a train, and like, I don't know, there's I 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:45.880 just feel like there's things you can do. If it's 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.240 not physically getting blocking it yourself. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.720 There's other things you can do. And you know what, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.919 I actually have a positive way to get us into 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.800 this episode that is not watching someone get raped on 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.560 a train and it is Alyssa a friend, a comedian, 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:06.280 a baker. Our friend, Lindsay Adams got secret married this weekend. Yes, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.520 so congrats Lindsay. If you're listening, I know you are. 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.920 Thank you, Lindsay for allowing your marriage to segue us 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.960 into our episode and off of this horrific news. 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:16.840 I knew you did it. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.879 For us and we just if you guys watched the 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:20.840 live show, she was one of our comedians that came 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:23.800 on and did trivia when we did our virtual live show. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.400 And we're so happy for them. I love them so much. 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.320 Yeah. So Lindsay and Nick cool. They've been together for 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:31.120 like a decade. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.640 Yeah, they did like a fun courthouse thing, but they 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.800 looked really beautiful and it was awesome. But yeah, let's 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.359 get going. We have a classic p for you today 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.760 and an amazing interview and yeah, just we have a 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:43.439 lot of stuff for you. 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:48.440 Oh right. 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:54.800 Chameleon Baby, Season four, Episode one, the premiere. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.720 Of season four of Long Orders for You. They're really 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.000 hitting their stride here. 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.560 Not to be confused with a really great podcast that 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.760 I think I've shouted out on this podcast before called 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.359 Chameleon that I was really obsessed with the first season 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.480 I haven't watched the second season, but I mean, listen 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:08.720 to it. 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.440 But it's great anyway. 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:16.679 We open on some kind of like very techno since 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:17.800 party happening. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:18.680 I don't know. 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:20.439 Maybe it's a sex club. You don't really know what 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:23.919 it is. Initially everybody is lots of butts are being grabbed. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:25.680 It's safe to say it's a sex club. 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.480 You I don't know. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.760 I never in New York was like, oh, that's a 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.840 sex club walking by a place, but I guess some 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.960 clubs have sexy nights. I don't know, Liza, any. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.000 Sex clubs, so you are, yeah, but you have to know. 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.080 It's like if you know, you know, you're not. 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.240 You can't. You're not going to walk by and just 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.720 see a sex club. I went to clubs where like 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.640 people were doing coke and stuff. I never was like, oh, hey, 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:47.919 we're going to a sex club to night, or like 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:49.159 none of my friends were like the other day I 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.680 went to a sex club, Like, I don't know. We 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:56.040 maybe we have separate friends. Yeah, oh, maybe we have 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.240 separate friends. We definitely do have a lot of separate friends. 0:20:58.240 --> 0:20:59.560 So I'm asking you to tell me. 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.600 Yes, there are sex clubs in New York have you 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.600 gone to Canada, I have not known. Oh, okay, but 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.679 they exist. No, I know, Oh I know, I know, 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:08.560 I know. I'm just saying. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.640 In my experience of New York, I was like I 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.160 was at clubs that were letting you sneak cigarettes when 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.200 the laws first changed. I was never in a sex club, 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:23.359 but maybe never say never, Okay, so you know, you 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.879 definitely know it's a sex club because suddenly the NYPD 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.440 raids the place that doesn't really happen at like Marquis. 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:33.720 So there's a few like makeshift fuck stalls in the back, 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.119 so it is very much a sex club. 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.080 And there's a bar in a DJ of course at 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:39.760 this sex club. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.399 And then one of the sex workers is telling the 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.959 cops that a guy tried to rape her, and this 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.240 one cop is being very two thousand and two about it. 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.320 He's like, if they don't pay you, it's not rape, 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.280 it's theft of service, like he's very not sensitive to 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.520 sex work. And she insists that she was attacked and 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.240 wants to report it. And now Benson and Stable are 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.840 on the scene and this douchey Wall Street guys walking 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:02.320 by them and he goes, I didn't know what kind 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:04.760 of club. This was like he's me being like, is 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.400 this a sex club? And Benson has her very very 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:10.800 butch haircut, and it's like your flies down. She says, 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:13.359 it's so nonchalant. It's a very fun line because this 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:15.240 guy's like, I had no idea, and it's like you 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:16.119 just were getting your dick. 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:19.199 Suffer from ago when having your fly down was the 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.960 most embarrassing thing that could ever happen, and now it's like, truly, 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.680 we were with people and I was like, your flies down. 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.480 Someone zipped it and it meant nothing, Like it wasn't 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:32.560 embarrassing and nothing. It means nothing anymore. Yeah, it was 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.520 like the hugest embarrassment that you could ever live through. 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:38.399 Yeah, you would say X, y Z like code words 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:40.359 to let people know that their fly was down. 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:41.040 It was. 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:45.800 It was truly, Yeah, definitely a humiliating moment back in 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:46.120 the day. 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:47.560 Now maybe we've embraced it. 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:52.760 The name of the sex worker who's making the report 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.960 says her name is she and Tilly, but it's actually 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:57.719 they were like, let's get your real name, babe, and 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.760 she's like, it's Lisa Perez and she actually played by 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:04.040 Sara Ramirez from Grey's Anatomy fame and this is her 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:09.160 second appearance on SVU. Actually, I'm sorry, but Shantilly does 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:10.439 not roll off the tongue. 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.600 I know. That's not a sexy name or an easy 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:17.479 name or a fun name to say at all. You know. 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.719 The only thing I could think of for the angle 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.160 would be like, if you're trying to get like southern 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.879 businessmen that are there like being turists, like Shantilly has 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.639 like a Southern kind of like genteel thing to it 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.840 that that's my only grasp at a straw for that name. 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:38.520 It's not a great sexy name. No, So they're Benson 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.560 and Stabler aren't really giving Shantilly the time of day either. 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.080 They're kind of like, okay, what happened, and like Stabler 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:46.880 is like very much rolling his eyes while he gets 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.679 out of tiny notepad to take down her info. And 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.119 then they get interrupted by these other cops that are like, 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:54.000 you gotta come see this, And they go into the 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:58.040 bathroom and there's just a dead woman hanging from a 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:01.199 belt by the back of the room stall door. So 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.280 not great, and Shantilli slash Lisa is there. She goes, 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:07.479 oh my god, that's Randy. I told you, guys, and 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:11.040 then it's the credits, so we're starting to think, Okay, 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.760 there might be somebody who's out there killing sex workers 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:17.960 in a serial manner. The cops are still not being 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:20.760 very cool with Shantilly. At the top of the of 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.800 the next act, she is being very sassy to Munch, 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:25.840 Kragan and Finn though I kind of like her, but 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.600 why wouldn't she be Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, she's being 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:30.760 really funny and like, you guys aren't listening to me. 0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.359 You're not taking me seriously. Like she is ahead of 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.679 her time for sure. We find out the dead girl's 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.000 name is Randy aka Goodiva Chocolatey. 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.440 I like a diva, you like, yeah, no, I was 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:44.280 just wondering. 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.679 Your your sense of it compared to Shantilly. 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:53.199 Well, no, Goodiva, rich, smooth, delicious. I understand that, you know, elegant. 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.919 That's yeah, that's not a for Rochet, that's a Goodiva baby, 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.640 right right, Okay, So Goodiva has worked in the club 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:01.600 a little over a year. 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.040 I kind of love the name Godiva. Now I'm having 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:07.800 a moment seeing another future for my life. 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.720 A screen name, something a tattoo could work. 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.720 Something good dive into your life. Well, because I used 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.160 to tell you if you sign up for the Godiva Club, 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:20.120 you can get one free chocolate a month. Oh yeah, 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:21.920 I would take a nie, sir, a nephew to them 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.600 all and I'd be like, get a snack, babe, and 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:25.760 I'll get them one chocolate. 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.680 Whoa cool aunt with the chocolates. 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:32.439 You know, Chantilly is a type of frosting, right, No, 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:34.520 someone will call you out on it if you never 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:35.200 watched bake Off. 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.399 It's a type of very sweet frosting for a cake. 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:38.680 So they kind of go hand. 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.760 Maybe that's why I think of Chantilly lace. 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:46.080 I don't know. We'll cut it. Wait wait, wait, why 0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:46.919 don't we leave it in? 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.240 We obviously have got two non British Bakeoff people here, 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.520 and if we can avoid people, if I can avoid 0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.439 seventy five DM saying Shantilli's a frosting, I'd love to. 0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.119 So we find out that good Dive has worked in 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:01.480 this club a little over. Ye, she's got two priors 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:07.960 for prostitution, and Lisa Slash Chantilly is like sassing the cops. 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:09.760 She's like, oh, you guys are taking a break, and 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:12.480 then she's like nudging the sketch artist's arms like she's 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.880 definitely a character. And then Benson like goes to try 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:17.760 to talk to her, like you know, a woman to woman, 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.560 and she takes off her wig, like she's wearing this 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.000 blonde wig with bangs, which you can tell is a wig. 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.400 But when she takes it off, her hair underneath looks perfect, 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.879 Like it's very shocking. I'm like, you just have a 0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.600 full blowout underneath a wig and you've been working all night. 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:33.640 I don't think so that shit's gonna be matted down 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:34.160 and sweaty. 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:39.040 But they're the sake of television, very rock Sy Andrews, Yeah, 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.119 thick and juicy of her way to go. 0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:44.159 Baby, Yeah, it was like a wig and a wig reveal, 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:48.439 Yes for sure. And Lisa says, you know what, like 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:51.040 nobody watches out for us, we watch out for ourselves. 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.240 I should have listened to Sister Peg. She warned them 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:56.840 about this, like asshole who's out there trying to choke 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.920 girls out. So now we go to talk to Sister Peg, 0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:02.840 the patron saint of good people. 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.200 Sister Peg keeps a bad trick list. 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.720 Like John's to avoid and you know, they take a 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.159 look at it and they're kind of making fun of it, 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.600 which is like rude, that's like, oh, this guy punches you, 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:15.240 this one picks you up here, blah blah blah. And 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.440 they're like this is it and it's like, yeah, well 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:21.600 she's doing more than you're doing so and they're like, well, 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:23.040 if you could give us the girl, if you could 0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:24.920 tell us the girls who have said that I have 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.080 gotten away from this man who's tried to choke them 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.440 or whatever and rape them, we can, you know, try 0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.280 to drop a profile or find the guy. And she's like, 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.440 my policy is no cops, no offense. 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.600 It's like, you can't take offense from. 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.800 Sister Pat and she says she'll show the sketch that 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.680 they have to the girls, the sketch that Lisa Seles 0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.520 hintil he was working on, which was really funny because 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:48.960 I forgot to mention like this the sketch artist was like, 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.840 can you stop bumping my shoulder like while she was 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.399 he was doing the sketch and she was just not 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:57.000 giving a fuck. A very chaotic energy in the precinct 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:57.920 and I liked it in. 0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:01.560 A silky turk boy's dress. 0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:06.199 Anyway, Now they're talking to Warner about Randy's body if 0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:07.840 she's giving them the rundown like that. 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:09.840 Randy was kind of had a lot of STI. 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.840 She had heppie hepsi pid. She was twenty three years old, 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:17.080 and had she lived, she probably would have been like 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:19.919 unable to have kids. Like I don't know, so I 0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.480 guess she's been through a lot. The cause of death 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:26.320 is strangulation. She was hung with the belt postmartem, so 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:28.000 that's not actually what killed her. And it looks like 0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:31.160 the person used their forearm to choke her because there's 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:33.639 like an impression of a button on her neck so 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:38.600 like the guy's sleeve. So they meantime get a call 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:42.040 about another victim because obviously these things happen Boo boo 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.320 boo on the show all the time. 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:45.840 Same exact sort of scenario. 0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:48.160 When they get to this crime scene, there's a woman, 0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:50.040 a working girl, hanging from a fence. 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:51.480 Here. 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:56.400 Warner finds a perfect thumbprint in lipstick around this girl's 0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:01.640 face somewhere. So they tracked down a man named Sean Becker, 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:04.840 convicted of assault and attempted rape years ago, like in 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:08.320 ninety four, so years earlier, and he's been out. Yeah, 0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:10.360 he got out of jail three weeks ago. Oh my god, 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:12.960 he's reoffending. Who could have suggested that? Who could have 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:17.640 thought that would have happened? So this guy's X is 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:19.880 the one who had him arrested in ninety four, So 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:21.880 they think, oh, because these two women have both been 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.959 blonde and his ex was blonde, that this suggests that 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.959 he's hurting these women as like a surrogate for his 0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:32.120 ex who got him sent away. So they bring Sean's 0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.040 mugshot and wanted posters to Sister Peg and they're like, 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:36.560 we need to talk to the girls to see if 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.719 they've seen this guy, but she won't give up the names, 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:42.320 and Benson and Sabler like convinced her eventually because they're like, 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:43.960 this guy's going to keep killing people. So if he 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.120 kills fifty girls, are you still going to like stand by? 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.960 You're like, you know, keeping them silent. So she kind 0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:51.920 of gives them a breadcrumb. She's like, go to this 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.640 hotel that they used to or what she says is 0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:56.040 she goes, some of my girls used to work out 0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:58.400 of a hotel on thirty seventh and tenth. They don't 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.840 really anymore, but that was like a hotel that was 0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:02.480 used to maybe go there and see if they know 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.440 who this dude is. So they arrive at the Palm Hotel, 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:10.400 a very classy name for a very seedy joint, and 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.400 the manager tells them that was fast, and they're like, 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:14.960 what are you talking about? And he's like, I just 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:16.680 called you guys, I heard a gun go off in 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:20.400 one of my rooms. So he positively Ida's Sean Becker. 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.440 He's like, that's the guy who's up in the room where. 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:22.920 The gun went off. 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.520 So when they get there, they open the door and 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.520 there's a woman sort of like scantily clad, holding a 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.160 gun and saying I shot him. 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:31.560 And this is Sharon Lawrence. 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.560 This actress is Sharon Lawrence, who is very well known 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.480 for NYPD Blue. She's been on Desperate Housewives. I mean 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.720 her IMDb is extensive. She has very prolific but I 0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:43.920 always remember her as a big role on NYPD Blue 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.280 for years and years in the nineties. Anyway, Shawn Becker 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.040 is next to the bed dead, blood etc. 0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.960 Yeah done, I'm for vigilante justice. I don't care. You 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:59.120 heard it here first? Yeah, killing right. 0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:03.560 So at the hospital they're talking to this woman and 0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:04.440 calling her debuta. 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:06.960 Do you think it would be psychotic or cool. If 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:08.880 we went to New York and did a tour of 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.680 all the motels that all the sex workers have stayed in, 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:13.400 and stay at all the at the Palm Hotel, in 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.040 all these places. 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:16.640 I would go to a tour. I would not stay 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.280 in them. Okay, I go to you. 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.160 You wouldn't want to take some clients and do a 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:27.920 full on, a full on documentary experience. Yeah. 0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:32.200 So they're talking to Debra about what happened, And. 0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:32.440 I don't know. 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.280 It's funny to me because Sharon Lawrence just like has 0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:37.120 I don't know. I just don't know if I like 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.680 buy her as this like sex worker. But that might 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.640 be my own biases or something. But it's just an 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:49.240 interesting casting. But she is, she's they're calling her Debor 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:53.480 and she basically explained, she's like, I asked him to 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.160 settle up, and he hit me and he just kept 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:58.120 hitting me. He threw me on the bed, he raped me. 0:31:58.160 --> 0:31:59.000 He pulled out a gun. 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.840 We fall. He dropped the gun. I grabbed it. I 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.920 shot him three times. We both reached we were Do 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:08.600 you know that we both reached for the gun? Oh? Yes, 0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.800 so yes, yes, yes, yes, So that's the booth they both. Yeah, 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.800 that's what I was trying to get that rhythm. But yeah, 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:15.479 I love that. 0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:20.360 Yeah, I love Chicago, the city and the musical. 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.840 I think it's the best movie musical of all time. 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:28.320 I have never seen a better movie musical than Chicago. Interesting. 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.800 I think it's the best one ever made. Yeah, it's 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.800 very good. I mean I saw it on No. 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:35.880 I'm trying to think because I'm like, no, Rent, the 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:39.560 movie really was bad. Hannah, you're a musical person. What 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.560 are the other musicic movie musicals? 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:43.560 I would say I liked Hairspray. 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:47.560 Oh I've never saw Oh I do love Hairspray better 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:52.960 it was Oscar Worthy. Yeah, I never saw Hairspray, but 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:53.600 that's a good call. 0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:56.720 Yeah. Yeah, very very good. 0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.440 But I did see it on Broadway with Babe Newarth, 0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.720 and that's like one of my most treasured memories because 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.680 she's a legend and nsvu elum. 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:06.280 Okay. 0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.400 So basically, this feels like we know it's not over 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.120 because we know we're watching a television show, but this 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.080 feels like it's over right, Like Stabler's talking a Cabot 0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:18.080 and she's like everything checks out for self defense, pretty 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:20.640 open and shut. We're not going to press charges against her. 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:25.040 She was defending herself. And then we are at ballistics 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:27.200 with Munch and Finn and we find out that there's 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.720 another body on this gun, meaning that another body, another 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.920 person has been killed with this gun. So that poses 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:37.120 a little bit of a problem because this murder happened 0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.200 six months ago and that was when Sean Becker was 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:43.160 in Attica, so he could not have killed that person. 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:45.800 Doesn't seem that weird to me that a rapist would 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:47.280 have gotten out of jail and found a gun on 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.040 the street, and that it might have another body on it, 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:53.520 But everyone's acting like that's a crazy thing. The previous 0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.560 victim was named Leonard Graves. He was a dealer. He 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:01.440 had three shots to the head and was robbed and 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:04.320 it was ruled a drug related homicide. And so now 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:06.400 they're all kind of like wondering if maybe Deborah was 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.920 more involved, maybe it was her gun. Let's find out 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.000 about this previous murder. And they're like, go back and 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.840 talk to Debor. Uh oh, hospital says Debra has fully 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.240 skipped out after talking to the cops, and the Debor 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:18.480 is not her real name. 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.560 All her info was fake, her social was fake, etc. 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:25.040 Craigan sends Benson and Stabler to the twenty two to 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.759 investigate what happened with the Leonard Graves murder. The twenty 0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:30.080 second precinct and Munch and Finn go to try to 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:34.600 track down Debra, who they're calling Mystery Hooker, not my words, 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.120 but kind of a fun name for maybe a movie 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:40.800 or something. About a month after Leonard died, his credit 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:42.960 card bill had been run up and signed by missus 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:44.400 Leonard Graves. 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.279 And the description was only that she was blonde. 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.759 And one of the biggest charges on the credit card 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:53.120 was to Fao Schwartz storied toy store in the middle 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:53.640 of New York. 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.120 But why did they close? There was also one in 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.640 Chicago and stuff, and why did they not survive? 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.920 The only reason I can think that they didn't survive 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.160 is because of where they're located. I mean, like it's 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.680 located truly, like right near the Apple Store, right near 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:09.880 the plaza, Like it just must be a very very 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.280 expensive location to be selling toys. 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.120 I guess. I don't know. It's crazy though, because I 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:16.080 went there and there. 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.880 Oh, I took Rosie there like two Christmases ago when 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:20.200 she was a baby, and I got her a little 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.120 key chain that she has on her diaper bag. I mean, 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.799 it's like it's a rite of passage to take a 0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.200 kid to Fao Schwartz. I didn't even realize that they'd 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:29.080 fully shut until you. 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.239 Said that, well did they. Did you ever have an 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:32.239 Fao Sweets? 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:36.959 No, we had an Fao Sweet attached to the Fao 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:38.520 Schwartz and the Old Orchard mall. 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:42.120 Wow, And it was like just all good candy. Yeah, 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.000 like you know those bins and scoop bat Yeah, scoopy 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:48.040 scoopy candy. That was hard as an immigrant kid to 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.400 convince your parents because there's also a sweet factory in 0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.280 the mall. But like to them, it's like the eighteen 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:57.000 dollars for a pound. It is insane, but it is 0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.960 so fun. I love the school, yeah, to get all 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:00.920 different kinds. 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:02.640 You know what I love getting at places like that 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.200 are chocolate covered gummy bears. 0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:08.399 I love chocolateming. We've never talked about this, No, I 0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.520 love chocolate covered gummy bears. They're one of my favorite things. 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.040 They're very rare to find, Yeah, but they're almost only 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:16.200 at scoop places. 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:18.880 Oh my god, I can't believe we didn't know this 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.200 because I learned we both like Junior Men's a few 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:23.800 months ago. But now this is a whole new level. 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.359 This is I mean, this is what's great is we're 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:28.520 still finding things to defind out about each other. 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:32.560 I also love like the little pastel, rainbow colored little 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:36.080 minty yogurt chip looking things with little white sprinkles on it. 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:39.320 Oh yeah, those I actually always think are going to 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:40.759 be gross, and then when I eat them, I think 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:41.560 that they're so good. 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:43.080 Yeah, I love it. I thought you're about to say 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.520 chocolate covered almonds and I was like, this sucks, and 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:47.040 then it took such a turn. 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:54.160 No, I love a chocolate covered gummy bear so good. Okay, 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:58.920 So the Fao Schwartz thing is is like a Okay, 0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:02.319 that's like a clue for them. And then meanwhile, Munch 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.839 and Finn track a call that was made from the 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:08.000 hospital during Deborah's stay in the hospital to a daycare, 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.880 and the daycare was like, uh, They're like, oh, we 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.080 got this. We saw this call that came in and 0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:14.920 who was that And they're like, oh, that was Maggie. 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.200 This one has an encyclopedic memory for all calls that 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.840 come in at her daycare and she's. 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.560 Like, well, from the hospital, you'd remember if someone was 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:26.600 in the hospital. Yeah right, I guess, yeah sure. And 0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.160 so even if it was three months ago, if someone 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.320 was like, did someone from the hospital call you, I'd believe. 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.680 Oh, but I didn't know that the hospital was like, 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.759 actually divulge like I thought Maggie just made a phone 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:39.520 call from the hospital saying, Hi, it's me I'll be 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.160 late picking up my son, not like it's me calling 0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:42.840 from the hospital. 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:45.399 But you're right, maybe she did say that. Uh, were 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:46.799 you one of those people that if you went to 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.120 the hospital, you keep your hospital bracelet on for a 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:50.279 long time to show off. 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.960 I never went to the hospital. Oh but who did that? 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:59.399 People still do it for adult still. It's a thing 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.000 they want you to ask what happened? 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:01.839 Oh my god? 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.040 I like even you and I just went to a 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:05.880 festival and we had to have like we had to 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.479 wear bracelets the entire time for to show that we 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.120 were vaccinated, and I wanted to take it off every night, 0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:13.080 like I don't like to go to sleep with Like. 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.560 I actually did show anything the night after, Like we 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:19.319 landed and had a show that night, and there were 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:24.160 multiple people still wearing their bracelets with me. That's fun. 0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:26.759 Yeah, I just like, so, I'm definitely not a person 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:28.560 that would wear my hospital bracelet. Like the only time 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:30.200 I've been to the hospital is to have my kids, 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:32.439 and I was like, snip, snip, but I did keep 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:37.720 them as keepsakes anyway. So the woman at the daycare 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:39.759 is like, oh, yeah, Maggie called. She told us she'd 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:41.520 been mugged and that she wanted to pick up her son, 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.440 joey early, and now they're on a little vacation together. 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:47.600 She is such a wonderful mother, and like you kind 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:51.360 of get the sense that this woman's been duped by Maggie. 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:53.480 So now we're finding out that this woman who we 0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.080 thought was Deborah, well she also duped the police. She's 0:38:56.120 --> 0:39:00.680 duping everyone. Yeah, she yes, she's dupin She'd be duping 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:01.640 all over town. 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:02.239 And she. 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:08.719 Maggie Peterson is her full name. So Benson went through viscap, which, 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:12.280 if you remember, is like the computer system that police 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:16.439 departments can use to check likem os so like, oh, 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:20.439 this guy always does this after the murder, Like that's 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:22.800 how you can sort of link a bunch of different 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:28.040 crimes together. So she searched homicides in known areas of 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.120 sex work where a credit card had been stolen and 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:33.920 anything had been stolen, like like anything had been charged 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.080 like hotel rooms or children's items. And she found a 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:39.279 bunch of homicides that popped up. And so when they're 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.480 they're talking about this lady and they're like, I don't know, 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.000 stabler's like one self defense I can buy, but six 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.640 of them. This lady's a serial killer to Captain Craigan, 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:49.680 And so now it's like dunt done, Like we got 0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.080 to find this lady. When they're looking at all these 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.680 different victims, the cause of deaths is like not always 0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:57.000 the same, like sometimes she's shot, they've been shot, sometimes 0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.839 they've been stabbed, Like there's different different uh m o's there. 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.120 So that's a little bit of a red flag. 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:07.240 But Wong is also not comfortable labeling her a serial 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:10.399 killer just yet. Munch does a whole monologue about how 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:14.160 female serial killers don't have a profile because like historically 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.920 they just people think, like female serial killers don't exist, 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.680 and historians believe that many unsolved murders were committed by 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:23.799 women because people just assumed that women couldn't kill or 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:26.400 be violent like that. And I'm like, I guess historians 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:28.080 have never seen the oxygen network. 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.439 Well, no, and women are better at committing crimes. That's 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:33.880 what it's like. I guess women didn't do it, And 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.560 it's like, no, they're just poisoning you with little flowers 0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.280 really every morning and your oatmeal. 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:39.719 You know. 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:45.680 Yes, they are meticulous. Yeah, anti freeze having a new uh, 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.279 a distinct taste now really fucked up a lot of 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.640 secret murtering. Really a real fork in the plan. 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:53.920 Yeah, back when it tastes like gatorade, we had a 0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:55.839 lot of options. 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.680 No, chicks are just good at murder hopefully. I mean 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:06.839 they get angry like Chicago. You know, Bubba, what is it? Snaps? Yeah, 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:07.440 that's a row. 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:17.080 Yeah. So Wong argues that she was raped and so 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:21.040 she might have rape trauma syndrome, that maybe this guy 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:23.720 does something that provokes a feeling from a past assault 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:26.560 and that's what leads her to kill who knows. So 0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:30.120 Elliott and Olivia get called to another crime scene. A 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:33.239 guy is bloody in his car with his pants undone. 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.920 He's got six stab wounds. His name is Vincent Bertram, 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:38.680 and they're checking to see if any of his credit 0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:42.239 cards have been used. The cause of death happened two 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:46.719 to four hours pre release, which means he has not 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:50.600 he did not get he didn't gizz, he didn't come. 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:53.480 Sorry, why was that so hard for you? I don't know. 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:55.920 I don't know why that was so hard because I 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:59.560 was trying to say he didn't We're trying to be appropriate. Why, Yeah, 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.040 I was. 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.520 His balls were filled with giz and he didn't come yet. 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:07.040 Yeah, he didn't come yet, and so he basically died 0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:07.640 of blue balls. 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:08.560 You guys, So it's real. 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:10.440 Everything that guys tell you in high school about how 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:12.920 painful it is, that's what happened to this guy. No, 0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:16.239 And somebody goes, oh, is that significant, and he goes 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:16.560 ice T. 0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:18.880 He goes, no, that's just cold classic. 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.680 But they do see a charge on one of his 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.640 credit cards for a hotel. They bust into the hotel. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.640 This seems like very sloppy. We're talking about how women 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:29.360 do good work. It seems very sloppy to kill a 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:31.319 guy and check right into a hotel with his credit card. 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.719 But okay, they bust into the hotel. Maggie's there with 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:36.640 her little son, Joey, who's very upset. 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:37.920 He's like, mommy, mommy, mommy. 0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:42.160 So in the next scene, they're at the precinct and 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.520 little Joey is sitting on Munch's lap, and I that 0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:46.719 was very touching for me, Like, I think we've all 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.640 seen all of them all be with like tiny babies before, 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:51.600 but like Munch bouncing a two and a half year old, 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.680 like probably whispering theories about the Kennedy assassination into his 0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.759 ear was cute to me. And Wong is like, give 0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:00.160 me a chance to talk to Maggie. Let me examine her. 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.480 So he sits down with her. I love a Wong 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.879 one on one, as we all do a Huang one 0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:10.000 on one, and basically we're finding out her dad was 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.239 a dick. He was always not a nice man. He 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.799 was violent towards her. She's never had voices in her head, 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.600 but she does. When he suggests, have you ever like 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:21.560 lost time? Have you ever woken up and not know 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.400 how you got somewhere? She's like, Oh, yeah, that happens 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:28.600 to me all the time. Wow, I can't believe I 0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:33.120 never considered that this happens every time. Basically I go 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:35.960 home with a John, that happens to me. So she 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.120 starts telling him all that and then she basically relates 0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.080 it back to she said my would black out when 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:44.960 my dad would start hitting me. So on the other 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.560 side of the glass, Wang is done with the interview 0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.520 and he's like, she's not psychotic, but she does have PTSD. 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:53.640 I also think she's lying and she's telling me whatever 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:55.880 I want to hear, which I love when Wong is 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.120 able to kind of like cut through the bullshit even 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.480 with like people that are good actors, because she seems 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.400 like she's probably a pretty convincing actor to most people, 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.560 but not too Wong. So then they send Stabler in 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:08.719 a loan so that he can observe her talking to 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:12.920 someone else, and shit gets wild here. She immediately like 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:16.360 changes her demeanor, like she if she is voting in 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.520 one of our grid games, she is not voting for Wong. 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:22.120 She is voting for Stabler. She is so flirty. 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:26.640 Immediately like starts unbuttoning her cardigan. She's wearing one of 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:29.640 these cardigan sets that were very hot. I had many 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.000 of them, were very big in the early two thousands. 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:34.080 I would say hot, because I don't think a cardigan 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:37.160 set's ever considered super hot. But she's unbuttoning it and 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.600 she's got like a little sort of tank underneath. 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:43.279 It that matches it. And she sits up on the. 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.440 Table like in front of Stabler, basically telling him he 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.640 has a hot body. But she knows it's only to 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:54.400 impress other people, so she basically is like straddling Stabler. 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.440 This is very basic instinct. She's talking in a sultry voice. 0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:01.520 It's very she's trying really hard. And then there's a 0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:03.920 knock and Stable just gets up and walks out like 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:08.240 he's very immune to her sexy ways. And then Wang 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:11.560 explains that she's got what's called a cocktail personality. I 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:13.480 think this might be made up for the show, because 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:18.440 I googled it and it just really wasn't available anywhere. 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:22.560 Defined as like something that is psychological. If you if 0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:26.640 you are like a psychologist or you're you've studied psychology, 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.320 please let us know if that is a legitimate. 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:31.719 Yeah, if you study a cocktail personality, please let us know. 0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:33.560 Yeah, because when you look it up, it literally is 0:45:33.640 --> 0:45:35.680 like what cocktail is your personality? 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:37.400 And it's like gin and tonic. 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:42.160 I mean, so basically he says that a cocktail personality 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:46.440 is someone who uh senses other people's vulnerabilities, reads their 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.839 personalities and then performs accordingly. So it's a classic sign 0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:53.280 of a sociopath. So when she was speaking to Huang, 0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:57.480 she was appealing to his vulnerable side, and you know 0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.960 that he's this sensitive, sort of more of a care 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.960 ring vibe about him. And then with Stabler, it was like, 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:07.279 you know, talking about his body and being sexy because 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:10.279 she assumes, like the way that he looks, that that's 0:46:10.320 --> 0:46:13.480 what he would be into. So Huang suggests that she 0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.640 may have put herself with these violent men on purpose, 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.920 thinking that she could control the situations, and that the 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:22.040 best way to take away her control is to expose 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:26.480 her lies. So that's when they send in the big guns, Benson. 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.680 So Benson comes in and you can tell Maggie's piss 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:31.879 She's like, where's Stabler? And Benson's like, it's just us 0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.800 girls now, and it's really funny. So she confronts Maggie 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:37.920 that her mom is still alive and that there's no 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:40.239 doubt on the birth certificate, so she probably never knew 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.680 her dad, and that whole story about the abusive dad 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:46.600 is a total lie. And I think Maggie says something 0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:48.840 about like I'd rather die than have anything happen to 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.439 my son, and Olivia's like, well, you're getting your wish 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.440 because the state's going to kill you. So she lunges 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:57.440 at Benson, who obviously disarms her immediately and has her 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.360 bent over the table within seconds, handcuffing her. This is 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:06.200 a lot of erotic play for one episode. It's a 0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:11.840 pretty sexual episode. So Cabot has been able to connect 0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:15.760 Maggie through DNA to three other murders. 0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:16.680 And she's talking. 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:20.080 She's explaining this to Wong and talking about whether she's 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.320 going to go for the death penalty, which would be 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.680 the first time New York State has executed a woman, 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:27.920 and Cabot feels, based off the evidence that it's a 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.920 death penalty case. Wong doesn't believe in capital punishment. I 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:33.080 don't believe in capital punishment either, so I'm with Wang 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.880 here on this. Wong doesn't believe that she's legally insane. 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.160 He thinks she knows what she was doing was wrong 0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.400 and she didn't care, and that he thinks also that 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:44.640 she would kill again in a second. So in the 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:48.680 next scene, Cabot is with Judge Elizabeth Donnelly. I'm sorry, 0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.000 now she's not a judge, but she becomes a judge. Later, 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:54.879 it's Jude's light. Judith Light, our favorite. I love her, 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:59.399 and they're returning from her presentation that she just made 0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:01.640 for the Capital Committee, which I guess is the committee 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:03.920 of people who decide whether we're going to execute someone. 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:07.440 So Cabot has decided to go after the death penalty, 0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:11.839 and Judith lyt is like ribbing her, being like it's 0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:12.640 funny because. 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.400 If you get your wish, you're going to be the enemy. 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:17.319 Of feminism, and Cabot's like, I think this is a 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.719 win for feminism. Maggie deserves a needle in the arm, 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:22.960 just like any other cold blooded killer, a man, or 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:27.000 you know, anyone else. And then we hear the soft 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:29.960 voice saying, so she should just take it like a man. 0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:34.160 Oh shit, Diane Waste is here, da Nora Lewin. 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:39.600 Hopefully that didn't hurt everyone's ears. But I am a 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:41.439 huge Diane Waste fan. 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:45.520 Yeah, she's so good in this one little scene, she's 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:49.320 so like quiet and amazing, Like she's really really good. 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:51.920 She has been on I associate her so much with 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:53.279 law and Order, but I think that's just because I 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.640 used to watch a lot of more original recipe back 0:48:55.640 --> 0:48:58.240 in the Day. But she was on forty six episodes 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.640 of Original Law and Order and she's only been on 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:02.920 two of SVU, So this one and one other one. 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:06.480 For me, she is practical Magic in the bird Cage. 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.759 That's what I think about when I think of her. Well, 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.080 you've never seen those movies either, No, no, no no. 0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:14.000 I first of all, the Bird Cage. I was trying 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:16.200 to think who she is. She's married to Gene Hackman, right, yeah, 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:19.280 she's the mother. And then I just watched Practical Magic 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:23.359 over Pandemic at our friend Rene's house, and I think 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:25.120 I would have been better if I had watched Practical 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.719 Magic as a team. Maybe, I mean, yeah, to watch 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.360 it now as an adult, it did not hold up 0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:32.640 for me watching it now as an adult, it was fun. 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.200 It was a fun little romp. Well, because I sometimes 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:37.560 I feel like my hairdoos look like Stockard Channing in 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.360 that movie. I'm always like, oh, I'm having a Stockard 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:43.160 witch Day. And I also like when I'm in a 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.000 town like that, I'm like, oh, this is a practical 0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:49.480 magic yeah town like I like Burlington, Vermont to me 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:54.239 is like, okay, practical magic vibes basically New England. Yeah, yeah, 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:56.920 but little you know, yeah, little New England. Well, you 0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:58.440 should come to my town where I grew up. 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:03.080 You'll get some you'll get practical magic yacht club vibes 0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:03.680 from my town. 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.680 Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no no no, do not try 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:08.839 to put Connecticut into my practical magic fanis. 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:11.520 I'm telling you there are practical magic towns in Connecticut, 0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:12.960 but maybe not mine. 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:15.040 I can't believe it didn't hold up for you. You 0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:19.360 didn't like the dance with the margarita and the frogs 0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:22.600 spitting out the thing and the pancakes. 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:25.200 It was just wild to see these two actresses that 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.040 are just so acclaimed now in this like very very 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.880 like hokey movie about magic. 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.279 It's not hokey, and it's not about magic. It's about 0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:37.840 sisterhood and fulfilling your full potential and not being scared 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:44.280 to be magical and don't fuck you know, murderers. Yeah, yeah, 0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:47.440 but about it's about connection and family and being who 0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:52.040 you truly are. Okay, so people trying to shut down women. 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:54.600 The themes did not strike to my heart the way 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:57.080 that they did for you. Maybe we should rewatch it together. 0:50:57.480 --> 0:50:59.960 You know what our friend's wedding I mentioned practical magic 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:04.640 in my speech. I forgot that. I'm sorry. 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:09.200 I remember you crushing, but I was also extremely incapacitated 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:12.440 at that point. Already I was pretty fucked up by dinner. 0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:15.640 But anyway, I had to do the marriage ceremony. So 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:17.520 by the time I got done, I was like, give 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:20.040 me every drink that exists on this property. 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:23.760 Oh yeah, we both had really heavy lifting jobs. Yeah. 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:25.880 So by the time your speech was happening, I remember 0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.360 laughing so hard, but I could not tell you quotes. 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:30.759 I could not. No, I wouldn't need a quote. 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:33.600 I'm not that, I'm not insane. 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:35.360 Okay, we move on. What is dian anyway? 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:39.640 Anyway, Diane Weese has this like very very like powerful 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:41.920 conversation with them right about the death and this is 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:44.319 like three women talking about the death penalty. And it's 0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:49.200 very interesting to me because Nora, that's Diane Wee's name, 0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:51.799 her characters like, I don't like this. You think the 0:51:51.840 --> 0:51:55.000 first female we execute should be a single mom sex 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:58.640 worker who's also a rape victim. And Cabot argues that 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:00.760 being a victim of a violent crime does not mitigate 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:04.200 capital punishment, and neither does being a woman or a mother, 0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:07.359 and if this was a man who was abused as 0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:09.359 a child and then murdered for women, would we even 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:12.239 be having this discussion? And Nora says, if you were 0:52:12.239 --> 0:52:14.759 seeking the death penalty, of course we would. She just 0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.840 has such a calm like but commanding way of speaking, 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:22.840 and then Donnelly argues, She's like, I don't think we 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.240 would be having that conversation if it was a male offender, 0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:28.360 because that wouldn't offend the female constituents who put you 0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:32.120 in office. And Nourah's ready with the comeback. She's like, 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.560 who we choose to execute is always political. I'm not 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:38.280 going to kill anyone if there's a possibility they acted 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.680 in self defense. You don't like it, you can always 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:41.319 run against me. 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:46.400 Next term. Boom, boom baby shacka laka for sure, boom 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:47.360 goes the dynamite. 0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:49.520 Yeah, but. 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.719 Maybe it is different. I like, it's it's weird that 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:57.800 equality is. I don't know, I don't want. I actually 0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:00.200 don't have the brain capacity to talk about the. 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:03.520 Thing is that almost there's almost never a serial killer 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:06.839 or a killer, a person responsible for multiple deaths who's 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.120 going to be executed, who has not had a fully 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:12.760 traumatic childhood and upbringing. I don't think that that's very common, 0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:14.600 and I think we need to consider that with every 0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:16.120 person that is being put to death. 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:18.120 But that's why I don't believe in the death penalty. 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:21.600 Like we just executed someone under Trump, this woman who 0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.680 had like truly one of the most horrific upbringings and 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:28.279 lives and she actually her story is based on an 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:31.239 SVU is based on her story. She did cut a 0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:33.560 baby out of a woman. Murdered a woman and cut 0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:35.840 the baby out. That is a horrific crime. This woman 0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:41.160 was like beyond mentally unstable, like there was her life 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:44.400 was a string of traumas. I just don't think killing 0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:46.439 people like that is what we're supposed to be doing. 0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:49.319 But my opinion, well that's just our whole society. It's 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.919 like dealing with the symptoms and not with the issue. Yeah, 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.640 because they all make money off capital punishments. I'm sure, 0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:59.000 like there's a reason the forty five administration was rushing 0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:02.000 to murder tons of people the end. It's not just 0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:03.480 because of justice. 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:05.720 Yeah, but doesn't it It costs a lot of money 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:07.080 to keep people on death row. 0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:09.880 And now what if you invest in the injection, Like 0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:11.680 I don't know, I don't have any of these. It 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:13.719 was just weird how many people they just wanted to 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:14.520 kill at the end. 0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:18.239 Yeah, yeah, and it's it's also been proven that it's 0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:20.839 not a deterrent to crime. So anyway, no, because if 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.760 you're so fucked up, why, like you don't have anything 0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:27.239 to live for. I mean that's the whole thing, where, yeah, 0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:29.279 when you don't have anything to live for, the death 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:35.400 penalty means nothing exactly. So in court, the defense attorney 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:40.520 for Maggie is cross examining an er doctor that has 0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:43.040 treated Maggie, and she's just like reading out all of 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:48.240 her injuries. She's just like she had cheek lacerations and bruising. 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:51.400 And then the next witness on the stand is Bertram's wife, 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:54.800 and she testifies how violent her former husband was as well, 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.319 and that one night the cops got there right on 0:54:57.400 --> 0:54:58.200 time because. 0:54:58.000 --> 0:54:59.560 She thinks he would have raped or killed her. 0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:04.080 And so then they have Maggie on the stand and 0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:07.360 she testifies that all the men that she has killed 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:10.440 would have killed her, so like she was always acting 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.680 in self defense. And Cabot's like, why would you put 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:16.960 yourself in harm's way when you say you do everything 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:18.680 you do is for your son, Like why would you 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.319 have done this? And she's like, I assume the risk 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:23.920 because I take I do everything for my child. And 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:26.920 it's still like okay, but you could get murdered every 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:29.120 single day and where who would that leave your child with? 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:35.520 So at the precinct they're all really panicking, Like Donnelly 0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:37.000 is like, I can't believe you didn't know about the 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:41.040 wife's testimony because it definitely makes her a more sympathetic 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:45.759 victim that this man's husband wife also said he beat 0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:47.560 up on her all the time and was a bad 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.959 person that you could easily try to defend your life from. 0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:54.960 So a live is always doing the detail work. She 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:58.320 figures out from a doctor's report. The doctor's report that 0:55:58.360 --> 0:55:59.960 they were talking about on the stand is from mark 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:03.520 of two thousand, and that doctor's report says nothing about 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:06.799 her being pregnant, but her son Joey, judging by how 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:09.239 old he is, would have been born the next month, 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:12.360 April of two thousand. So what's up. She wasn't pregnant 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:13.879 in March of two thousand, and she's got a kid 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:14.840 in April of two thousand. 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:16.040 Where did this kid come from? 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:21.359 Twist baby Eighteen months ago, a twenty six year old 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:24.799 woman went grocery shopping. Her body was found strangled in 0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:27.520 the store parking lot. Her six month old son was 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:31.080 never found. Yeah, she just gets what she wants. Yeah, 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:33.560 no matter what, no one's gonna buy your story now, 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:35.719 babe about how your son's the best thing you ever 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.320 did and how you do everything for him. 0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:41.160 Yeah, it's a user. Yeah, she's using him. It's like 0:56:41.200 --> 0:56:44.320 her alibi, like her story. Oh my god, totally. 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.680 So she's like where's Joey, where's Joey? And Olivia's like 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:49.759 back with his father who thought he was dead. 0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:50.480 You monster. 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:55.000 So like it's really we're getting a lot more beneath 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:58.480 the surface of Maggie here. They offer her murder two 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:02.440 on all counts concur sentences, so fifteen to twenty years. 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:06.399 She'd be out probably in fifteen, especially someone manipulative like her, 0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:09.960 like she'd probably get good time, good behavior or whatever. Yeah, 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:13.560 but Jale's filled with people like her. Yeah, that's it's tough. 0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:16.800 Cabot's basically like, you're never gonna get a better deal 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:20.640 than this, especially like if I tack on the kidnapping 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:24.720 and murder charge to this of this Joey's mom, So 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.080 she says, I didn't kill the mom. I found Joey 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.520 his mom threw him away, and Cabot's like, bitch, the 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:31.800 jig is up. You need to stop, Like we're not 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:35.960 buying any of this. Then we're in court and Maggie 0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:39.600 has not shown up, and there's a very hilarious, uh, 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.760 what you don't call them extras? Background he's not a 0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.520 background actor. A guy who's like an under five who's 0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:48.800 playing a bailiff is basically a robot. He calls downstairs 0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:51.120 and he's like, we're waiting for Maggie Peterson. 0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:53.960 And they're like, he goes, there's a problem. Anyway. 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:55.800 If you watch the episode, you notice that this man 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:58.920 is a full robot. And Benson and Stabler go to 0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:00.880 check out what's going on with Maggie. 0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:02.520 Why has she's not shown up at court? 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:06.760 And dunt on she has hung herself with her stockings 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:12.200 in a very much sort of interesting not flashback, but like, 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:15.400 you know, connection to the two other dead sex workers 0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:17.960 that we saw earlier who were like basically hung up 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:21.920 after they were killed. She's hanging but in a really 0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:23.760 really weird way, like she didn't get on a table 0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:25.640 and hang from the ceiling. She's like hanging from the 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.360 bars of the cell. So she just so the guy goes. 0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.160 She just sat down till she died, like she just 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:34.040 the self discipline, you have to kill yourself this way 0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:35.960 and not self discipline. But I don't know what I'm 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:37.360 trying to say, do you know what I mean? Like 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:39.920 to not you could just stand up and keep breathing, 0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:42.560 and she's just wasn't doing it. She just let herself 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:46.160 die that way. And she left a note leaving everything 0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:50.000 to Joey, her son. What does she have? She well, 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:52.080 she has her thousand dollars cards. Well, she had ten 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:54.720 thousand dollars in a safe deposit box. It's probably all stolen. 0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:58.400 I'm doubt he can even have that money. But then Ben, 0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:00.120 Benson and Stabler kind of just look at her, and 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:01.240 Benson's like, look at her. 0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:03.000 Her hair and makeup looks perfect. 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:04.920 She gets to go out like a beauty queen, like 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:07.440 this is all a performance and like the final shot 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:09.800 is just like a zoom in on ournechoks very beautiful 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:12.520 and even in death, she's kind of like, no must 0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:16.200 like her faces, makeup is perfect and everything. And then 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:21.800 nuts Dick Wolf Baby, thank you so much. The incredible episode. 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:25.160 Yeah, lots of twists and turns, and we'll be right 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:40.360 back with a famous, famous crime. So welcome back, all right. 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:46.640 So this is so famous Eileen Warros and Worros Warns Warnos, 0:59:46.680 --> 0:59:49.720 Eileen Warnos. Both names are hard to spell and say. 0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:55.320 It's like grew up in such a small place. It's like, 0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:59.880 can't she just be Stacey? But I have not seen 0:59:59.880 --> 1:00:02.560 the movie Monster or Boys Don't Cry. I don't know 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:06.400 those like tough Tough Women oscar Roll movies. Really I 1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:09.240 can't watch them. It's too tough. It's too hard for me. 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:12.280 I've seen it, but not for a while. So I'm 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:14.640 I'm looking forward to getting the recap. 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:15.960 On this, and I you know, I was doing a 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:18.040 lot of research. So I saw Roger Ebert was like 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:20.480 Charlie's this is the best performance of all time. But 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:23.520 there's been documentaries. This was a really famous case. So 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:26.240 I tried to do some research that maybe brought some 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:30.360 new things to light. It's some information. And you know, 1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:33.240 our first episode we ever did. My friend called me 1:00:33.240 --> 1:00:35.600 out that I was totally on Leona Hemsley's side, and 1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:40.160 it's like everyone could tell, and I do feel like, listen, 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:42.520 I'm on Eileen's side here. I don't know what to 1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:44.720 tell you. And it is fucked up. And that's why 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:46.840 in the episode where you're like, well, equality men, women, 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:50.840 and it's like, yeah, it's it's about valuing each other, 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:52.680 it's not. We're not all the same. And I do 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:54.880 feel worse for her than any other criminal we've ever 1:00:54.880 --> 1:00:56.720 talked about. I don't care. I don't know what to 1:00:56.760 --> 1:00:58.680 tell you. I'm you know, I'm not in the court 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:02.400 of law. I'm not at a bar because a greater I 1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:05.520 just really feel for this bitch and I'm on her side, 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:09.480 So I don't care. But there's a debate, and there 1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:11.480 we don't really know what is true what is not. 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:15.200 Is she America's first female serial killer or is she 1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:17.280 just like this feminist hero who had a murder in 1:01:17.360 --> 1:01:19.360 self defense, So we don't know if it's like evil 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:23.880 genius or she was really, you know, fucked up life 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:28.760 obviously fucked up life, horrible childhood. Warnos grew up in Troy, Michigan. 1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:32.520 Her mother abandoned her as an infant, and her biological 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:35.919 father was a wife beater and a pedophile. Her dad 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:39.240 committed to suicide by hanging while in prison for serving 1:01:39.280 --> 1:01:43.240 time for child molestation. So already not good news. I mean, 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:46.400 we're three sentences in. It's like this is enough, but 1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:50.800 it's not. There's more. Yeah, there's more. It's like the 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:53.720 price is right, but the opposite. It's like sad instead 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:58.280 of woo, like you know, a trip to Italy. So 1:01:58.760 --> 1:02:02.080 she was beaten by her father who she didn't really 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:06.080 know but was her biological grandfather. He was her father's father. 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:09.120 I don't know whose father he was, but the grandfather 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:11.360 was her adoptive father. So I don't know if the 1:02:11.440 --> 1:02:17.000 father this grandfather was fucking or his daughter and pretending 1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:20.840 to be the Eileen's father or grandfather. It's like it's 1:02:20.840 --> 1:02:24.480 too white trash for me to fully grasp. But there's 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:28.760 just a lot of incest. I don't know. There's just 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:31.440 like a lot of problems. But yeah, So the person 1:02:31.440 --> 1:02:34.000 who thought, who she thought was just her adoptive father, 1:02:34.080 --> 1:02:38.000 like a stepfather type of character, was really her biological grandfather. 1:02:39.080 --> 1:02:42.920 So that's just that she lived in the woods and 1:02:43.000 --> 1:02:46.000 she would give sexual favors to men, and she had 1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:48.920 to sell sex for food and beer and money. So 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:52.560 she was actually from age nine, trading blowjobs for cigarettes. 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:57.560 And when you think about this, it's like, Okay, I mean, 1:02:57.680 --> 1:02:59.400 it's all fucked up. But if it's like a bunch 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:02.919 of eleven year olds buying blowjobs, it's like, Okay, we're 1:03:02.960 --> 1:03:06.680 all fucked up kids. But I am assuming these are 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:10.000 men from the neighborhood getting serviced by a nine year old. Yes, 1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:13.880 what the fuck? A whole town of these people, Yeah, 1:03:13.960 --> 1:03:18.400 And that is why it's so annoying when women aren't believed, 1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:20.840 or people aren't believed, or people don't under It's like 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:23.840 a whole town was fucking getting blowjobs from a nine 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:28.680 year old. Yeah, Oh that's so awful. So basically you go, 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:30.520 I mean, this is a famous case. She eventually did 1:03:30.560 --> 1:03:35.040 get the death penalty, and then her defense attorneys brought 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:38.760 up all of these people from her past to like 1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:41.440 show what a terrible life she had and that was 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:44.360 self defense and stuff like that. So a bunch of 1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:46.440 men took the stand and we're talking about all the 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:48.600 awful things that they'd done to her, and one man 1:03:48.680 --> 1:03:51.120 said that he would fuck her, but then in public 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:54.480 would ignore her, call her awful names, throw rocks at her, 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:57.080 tell her to go home because he didn't want to 1:03:57.120 --> 1:04:00.120 be seen or associated with her. But in private they 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:01.920 would fuck and he was a young kid. I mean 1:04:01.960 --> 1:04:04.280 he looked guilty, like these people that took the stand 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:06.400 look guilty. Her friends took the stand, like all of 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:09.280 these people, and she was like, fuck this, they're all lying. 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:11.600 None of this happened. Go, I hate all of you, 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:14.040 but it is just like a whole town. And one 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:16.320 of the women was like every single person in this 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:18.680 town knew what was happening. No one fucking helped her, 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:21.320 no one cares, and now everyone's like, oh no, I 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:23.360 used to bring her food. Oh I remember I was 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:25.120 nice to her, And it's like no one was fucking 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:28.440 nice to her, right, So it's like this whole town 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:33.880 loved ragging on this abused child and then now are 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:38.440 all like, oh and maybe we did something wrong. Yeah, OK, 1:04:38.480 --> 1:04:41.000 a piece of shit. Yeah. Like one of the friends 1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:44.200 that took the stand, she said that this grandfather dad situation, 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:46.840 he bent her. Oh they got home and he bent 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:49.440 her over her a chair and beat her for five 1:04:49.480 --> 1:04:51.720 minutes straight with a leather belt, and like while her 1:04:51.720 --> 1:04:55.600 friend just watched, like it was a really horrific life. 1:04:55.640 --> 1:04:58.360 She was pregnant and thirteen and was forced to give 1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:01.880 up her child for adoption. She was raped several times constantly, 1:05:02.200 --> 1:05:04.680 but also like every time she committed any sort of 1:05:04.760 --> 1:05:06.840 like sex work as a child as a rape. You know, 1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:10.520 it's like, yes, constant rape. She was living in forts, 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:13.880 she had frostbite, and then at fifteen sixteen, she just 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:16.440 hit the road and sold sex along the way. She 1:05:16.520 --> 1:05:19.400 lived in motels and rented rooms and lived on the streets. 1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:21.640 And this is what we're talking about, Like she didn't 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:23.560 look for the future. Like for her, she just had 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:25.960 enough money for a couple days. She was rolling in 1:05:26.000 --> 1:05:28.760 the dough. And so we're talking about a person who 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:32.400 only is thinking two three days in advance. And that's 1:05:32.440 --> 1:05:34.480 what happens to a lot of like I remember, I 1:05:34.520 --> 1:05:36.480 forgot who was speaking, but it happens to a lot 1:05:36.480 --> 1:05:38.560 of like teens and stuff in the hood where like 1:05:39.000 --> 1:05:42.840 they don't see their lives past twenty because no one 1:05:42.880 --> 1:05:44.720 else around it. They just see so much death. So 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:48.160 it's like to then encourage these people, like go to school, 1:05:48.200 --> 1:05:50.960 you have a future. There's things happening. It's like they 1:05:50.960 --> 1:05:54.920 don't have that perspective. They can only think about survival, 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:57.760 she became a Florida drifter. So this is in Florida. 1:05:57.880 --> 1:06:00.360 Now she learned her living as a sex worker along 1:06:00.360 --> 1:06:03.160 the highway, and so the murder of the crimes, this 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:05.560 kind of tale starts in the winter of nineteen eighty 1:06:05.640 --> 1:06:09.320 nine slash like nineteen ninety ish. But I just want 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:13.560 to reiterate again, like no one ever helped her, Like 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:16.520 while she was getting beaten, no social worker, no teacher, 1:06:16.640 --> 1:06:19.480 no neighbor, no police officer, no one helped her. She 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:22.520 slept in the snow, no one helped her. She was 1:06:22.520 --> 1:06:24.960 getting cigarettes and drinking and smoking, and like you know, 1:06:25.240 --> 1:06:28.880 teen sex worker, no one ever cared. No options the school, 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:30.840 Like she stopped going to school. No one from the 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:32.720 school reached out to anyone to be like, why is 1:06:32.760 --> 1:06:36.040 this child not at school? Like truly, no one fucking 1:06:36.080 --> 1:06:39.800 cared about her. It's really fucked. She was married divorced 1:06:39.800 --> 1:06:42.880 within months. She beat her wealthy husband and he took 1:06:42.920 --> 1:06:46.040 out a restraining order against her. She was arrested a 1:06:46.040 --> 1:06:48.520 ton for petty bullshit. So she was arrested for like 1:06:48.560 --> 1:06:52.040 do uys shooting guns into the air while driving drunk. 1:06:52.640 --> 1:06:58.840 That's fun. That sounds kind of fun. Yeah, hitting a bartender, speeding, 1:06:59.040 --> 1:07:02.920 resisting arrests, assaulting men, phony checks, holding up a convenience store. 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:05.560 And she hit a lot of her boyfriends. So that 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:08.960 is her life. She got written up a lot in 1:07:09.040 --> 1:07:11.360 jail too, so she would start fights in like a 1:07:11.400 --> 1:07:16.400 lot of uncooperative behavior. So basically like that, you know, 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:18.880 a life of petty crime. And then a bunch of 1:07:18.920 --> 1:07:21.720 adult white men started disappearing one by one, and it 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:24.040 got a lot of attention. And obviously, and this has 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:27.160 been in the news recently, but like if this was 1:07:27.200 --> 1:07:29.760 a bunch of women of color disappearing or a bunch 1:07:29.760 --> 1:07:32.880 of sex workers, no one would really care, you know, 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:36.360 if male john's were killing a bunch of female sex workers, 1:07:36.600 --> 1:07:40.720 no one would care, or transsex workers or whatever. So 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:43.520 in late nineteen eighty nine, she killed one of the 1:07:43.560 --> 1:07:46.320 men who picked her up and then killed seven more guys. 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:50.960 So the first victim was Richard Charles Mallory and that 1:07:51.040 --> 1:07:54.480 happened November thirtieth, nineteen eighty nine, and he was shot 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:57.400 several times, and the two bullets in his left lung 1:07:57.520 --> 1:08:00.400 are what caused the death. And I'm just gonna say thevictims' 1:08:00.480 --> 1:08:02.600 names to be respectful. So I'm just going to go 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:05.040 through that because you know, I'm on her side. So 1:08:05.080 --> 1:08:07.720 it's like tough, but we will be respectful to these men. 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:11.000 And so this is so fucked up of me, okay. 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:14.640 So then David Andrews Spears was the second victim, and 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:17.800 he was declared missing me nineteenth, nineteen ninety and was 1:08:17.840 --> 1:08:21.160 found on June first. He was shot six times. Charles 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:24.280 Edmund Carskadon was a part time rodeo worker, which is 1:08:24.320 --> 1:08:27.840 pretty fun, and he was shot nine times. Peter Abraham 1:08:28.000 --> 1:08:31.519 Seems was sixty five and his body was never found, 1:08:31.600 --> 1:08:34.680 but her prints were found inside of his car. But 1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:38.920 for me, it's like no body, no crime. Sorry, I 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:41.160 mean right, that's okay. C Anthony got away with it. 1:08:41.560 --> 1:08:43.599 If you can't, what do you mean, no body, no crime, 1:08:43.640 --> 1:08:47.840 That's that's why you get rid of the body. Troy 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:51.400 Eu Jean Burres aged fifty. He was reported missing July 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:54.200 nineteen ninety and then his body was found August fourth, 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:58.360 nineteen ninety and he was shot twice. Charles Richard aka 1:08:58.560 --> 1:09:02.719 Dick humphreyes fifty six. His body was found on September twelfth, 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:06.600 nineteen ninety. Fully clothed and he was shot six times. 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:11.120 And finally, her last victim was Walter Gino Antonio and 1:09:11.200 --> 1:09:14.800 his body was found November nineteenth, nineteen ninety naked and 1:09:14.880 --> 1:09:18.000 near a remote logging road and he was shot four times. 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:21.400 So a psychologist who spent a lot of time with 1:09:21.479 --> 1:09:25.160 her is Phyllis Chessler, and she wrote a groundbreaking book 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:28.599 called Women in Madness in nineteen seventy two about how 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:31.280 the mental health system treats women and calls them crazy 1:09:31.560 --> 1:09:33.760 when they just didn't want to do housework or like 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:36.040 if they were lesbians. And then going back about this, 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:40.280 first the first victim though, like you know, because that's 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:42.559 the whole thing, was a self defense? Is she a killer? 1:09:42.560 --> 1:09:45.000 But her first victim this Richard Mallory guy. He had 1:09:45.000 --> 1:09:47.519 done time in an institution for attempted rape in the 1:09:47.520 --> 1:09:52.000 past and he was a violent person, so it But 1:09:52.040 --> 1:09:54.479 then she changes her mind a lot too. She initially 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:56.559 said that the killings were in self defense after they 1:09:56.560 --> 1:09:59.160 assaulted her, after they picked her up, but later she 1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:01.000 said that was a lie and she was intending to 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:03.800 rob and kill these men. And people don't know if 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:06.280 she did that because she was just over and wanted 1:10:06.439 --> 1:10:11.400 to get executed or she no one actually knows, and 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:12.920 there's hours of foot I mean. 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.320 I'm sure it was like an amazing like sense of 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:18.320 control after being abused by men for decades to be 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:20.880 able to just you know, have the upper hand. 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:24.000 Yeah, it's probably like the what Bad Wong mentioned in 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:26.559 the episode about like the you know, you've been raped 1:10:26.560 --> 1:10:29.120 so much that any sort of thing can trigger a 1:10:29.200 --> 1:10:36.280 trauma response. But yeah, all right, So and at the 1:10:36.360 --> 1:10:39.240 end of the day, she was really frustrated and pissed 1:10:39.240 --> 1:10:41.479 how much violence came from her job, both from the 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:45.559 Johns and law enforcement. And that's the thing. It's like, 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:50.320 you know, the patriarch, You're like, hetero culture wants to 1:10:50.400 --> 1:10:53.599 sexualize women, but as soon as women are sexual beings 1:10:53.640 --> 1:10:56.000 or sexual then they also get beat and it's like 1:10:56.520 --> 1:10:58.920 what do you all want? You know what I mean, 1:10:58.960 --> 1:11:01.720 it's so fucked up. And then like to also get 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:04.559 violence from these people using your services and the people 1:11:04.600 --> 1:11:06.320 that are supposed to help you or I don't know, 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:09.960 it's just not a friend in sight, not a friend 1:11:09.960 --> 1:11:14.280 in sight for AILI. It's so upsetting. Yeah, So she 1:11:14.400 --> 1:11:17.160 was arrested at the last resort bar in Port Orange, 1:11:17.160 --> 1:11:20.880 Florida and January nineteen ninety one on an outstanding charge 1:11:20.880 --> 1:11:23.600 of carrying a concealed weapon and that led to a 1:11:23.720 --> 1:11:26.320 charge of murder. I thought it was just Tyro. 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:29.240 Why did it switch it to Tyria. 1:11:29.640 --> 1:11:32.320 I think her name was just Tyra. So Tyra Moore, 1:11:32.439 --> 1:11:34.479 who was her lover, who was like Christina Ricci in 1:11:34.520 --> 1:11:36.920 the movie, spoke to her by phone in front of 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:40.679 police and elicited a confession to the murders. So even 1:11:41.680 --> 1:11:45.439 yes sold her out and sold her out on the stand, 1:11:45.479 --> 1:11:49.160 like testify to fucking against her. So her one love 1:11:49.280 --> 1:11:53.679 in her life fucking sold her out. She was tricked 1:11:53.680 --> 1:11:57.400 into confessing by her lover without a lawyer present. And 1:11:57.479 --> 1:12:01.360 you know, we watch SVU, we know it is wrong. Yeah, 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:04.240 And she did say that the killings were self defense 1:12:04.600 --> 1:12:08.400 sixteen times during the questioning and everything, and the jury 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:12.360 never was told this. Someone edited out that from the 1:12:12.439 --> 1:12:15.880 video that was shown to the jury. What so they 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:19.000 showed like her confessing all this shit, but took out 1:12:19.040 --> 1:12:21.800 the parts where she said sixteen times that it was 1:12:21.840 --> 1:12:26.200 self defense. The first victims violent past wasn't brought up 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:29.400 at trial. I mean the trial was fucked too. We'll 1:12:29.400 --> 1:12:32.479 going to like, it's truly not a friend insight for 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:34.720 this person, because even the people that worked with are 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:37.680 in psychologists, and like the journalists who came to talk 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:39.920 to her and help her, and like anyone, they all 1:12:39.960 --> 1:12:42.800 wanted something from her. Everyone sold the story, everyone tried 1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:47.759 to get movie deals, everyone, everyone was using her. No, truly, 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:50.760 not one person in her corner. This is fuck. So 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:53.880 the prosecutor is this guy named John Tanner, and he 1:12:54.040 --> 1:12:57.400 is this like born again Christian guy. He visited Ted 1:12:57.479 --> 1:13:01.400 Bundy fifty times to pray with him and pray and 1:13:01.479 --> 1:13:03.920 like you know, do all this stuff with him. And 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:07.799 it's so strange because he was fighting to have Eileen killed. 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:12.679 He was fighting, that's that strange. Yeah, because he hated 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:15.840 sex workers. I think that fucking tracks perfectly with these 1:13:15.920 --> 1:13:18.599 kind of people. These are the same people that don't 1:13:18.640 --> 1:13:20.679 think women should have abortions because they want to fight 1:13:20.720 --> 1:13:22.599 for a baby that's not been born, but they don't 1:13:22.600 --> 1:13:24.320 want to help women with their health care in any 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:24.800 other way. 1:13:25.200 --> 1:13:28.479 Yeah, So it's like, what's the difference between Ted and Eileen, 1:13:28.560 --> 1:13:31.040 And it's he hated sex workers, So it's this Christian thing, 1:13:31.080 --> 1:13:34.240 but like fifty times he visited Ted Bundy, who had 1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:37.599 so many more victims, and he was like the number 1:13:37.600 --> 1:13:41.680 one person who wanted Eileen fucking executed. Tons of right 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:47.360 wing Christians were fighting to have her executed. Beyond me, Yeah, 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:53.599 beyond me. I mean that's like Hugh Religion. Right wing 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:58.000 Christians fighting to have her executed. In a documentary from 1:13:58.040 --> 1:13:59.920 two thousand and three, there's a footage of her and 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:03.479 orange jumpsuit and she's giving an interview and she's like, 1:14:03.520 --> 1:14:06.840 this is all ladder jumping during the election season and 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:09.520 everyone is just trying to get attention for their campaigns, 1:14:09.840 --> 1:14:12.320 and she's not wrong, and that's that end this. The 1:14:12.360 --> 1:14:15.120 prosecutor was also a longtime friend and colleague of the 1:14:15.160 --> 1:14:19.160 presiding judge. Again, I'm not trying to defend a murderer, 1:14:19.560 --> 1:14:22.040 but I don't think she should have been sentenced to death. 1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:24.559 I don't, I really don't. I do not believe that 1:14:24.640 --> 1:14:27.160 for a second. And you know, I'm going to keep 1:14:27.240 --> 1:14:30.080 up with this Bundy comparison just to like prove how 1:14:30.200 --> 1:14:33.400 unfair a lot of this stuff was. But like his 1:14:33.520 --> 1:14:36.280 legal team asked to change locations of the trial because 1:14:36.320 --> 1:14:38.680 of all the publicity, and that was granted and she 1:14:38.760 --> 1:14:41.800 asked for the same thing. It was not granted. The 1:14:41.880 --> 1:14:46.439 trial was over in five days. The jury voted guilty 1:14:46.520 --> 1:14:49.280 in an hour and a half and they recommended the 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:53.200 death sentence in an hour and forty eight minutes. For Bundy, 1:14:53.960 --> 1:14:57.679 it was seven and a half hours to decide death. 1:14:57.800 --> 1:15:00.200 But he was also offered a sentence of life with 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:04.600 no parole. Warnos was not. She wasn't even offered a 1:15:04.600 --> 1:15:10.320 life sentence. Yeah. So, between nineteen seventy six and twenty sixteen, 1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:14.639 sixteen American women were executed, and most often for killing 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:18.600 one or two people, whereas during the same time, seventeen 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:22.040 American male killers who killed between fourteen and one hundred 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:25.240 women were given less severe sentences and only five of 1:15:25.280 --> 1:15:26.280 them were executed. 1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:31.080 WHOA, that's those statistics are fucked. 1:15:31.600 --> 1:15:34.840 Yeah, we hate women. Women can't do anything. It's like, 1:15:36.240 --> 1:15:37.840 and that's the Diane we sa of it all. In 1:15:37.880 --> 1:15:39.479 all of this, it's like, what are we fighting for 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:42.400 with feminism when it's like we want more killers, but 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:44.559 it's like no, But even when there are these crimes, 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:49.760 it's like it's I it's not even fair. Yeah, so 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:52.200 life in prison was just never offered to her and 1:15:52.240 --> 1:15:54.519 everyone like I mentioned, involved in the case was trying 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:56.519 to sell the story and make money of her life. 1:15:56.840 --> 1:16:00.479 She was surrounded by a terrible scum. So she also 1:16:00.560 --> 1:16:03.000 had a lawyer named Steve who lived in a teepee 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:06.439 who took money from interviews he had set up for her, 1:16:06.560 --> 1:16:08.600 so he was like taking a cut and acting like 1:16:08.640 --> 1:16:12.160 an agent to like make money off people being interviewed. 1:16:13.040 --> 1:16:15.680 And he's the one who pled guilty for her and 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:17.680 the lawyer who took her at her word when she 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:20.040 said she wanted to die. He visited her in jail 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:23.080 after smoking seven joints. So there was like this documentary 1:16:23.120 --> 1:16:25.920 that followed all this stuff. It is really wild because 1:16:25.920 --> 1:16:27.880 it's like wait, what but this is all on camera. 1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:30.479 This guy was just like high as hell heading over 1:16:30.520 --> 1:16:32.600 to court to be like, yeah, she wanted to be 1:16:32.640 --> 1:16:36.680 put to death, Like it's oh my god, it's very strange. 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:38.840 The doc that came out at the time is called 1:16:39.360 --> 1:16:42.200 Selling of a Serial Killer, and it showed footage of 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:45.120 this hippie lawyer getting high and just fucking her life up. 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:48.400 No mistrials, no nothing. So the police involved had to 1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:50.960 give a press conference and apologize for trying to give 1:16:50.960 --> 1:16:55.040 information to make Hollywood movies, like the police were taping 1:16:55.120 --> 1:16:59.000 conversations and the point is, so they got in trouble 1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:02.320 for like trying to sell information and fucking with the case. 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:04.600 So maybe like one of her death sentences can be 1:17:04.800 --> 1:17:08.280 overturned or a mistrial or something since the cops are 1:17:08.320 --> 1:17:12.599 recording conversations and selling them. Nope, nothing, not one thing 1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:16.160 got overturned. Everything was swept under the rug and got 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:19.799 covered up. God, there was a lot of tabloid buzz 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:22.640 obviously an attention, and people were rude and called her 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:25.559 a man hating, lesbian killer. But men kill women all 1:17:25.600 --> 1:17:28.280 the time, and why don't we ever call them women haters? 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:29.480 Yeah? 1:17:29.520 --> 1:17:32.160 Why does it? I don't understand if you're a feminist 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:34.639 in any capacity. It's like man hater, man hater. Why 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:36.599 don't we ever get to call like why is that 1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:39.040 not in the zeitgeist? So like women hater? Why is 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:40.479 Ted Bundy not a woman hater? 1:17:41.439 --> 1:17:44.840 Yeah, that's just ye know, it's I never thought about that, 1:17:45.000 --> 1:17:47.120 But that's a great question. 1:17:47.680 --> 1:17:49.400 Because I had a try, I had an ish. I 1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:51.479 ran into an issue at a comedy club that I 1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:54.080 frequent where she was like you, the booker said, my 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:57.439 man hating material needed to stop. And my man hating 1:17:57.479 --> 1:18:01.160 material was that men should make women come more so evil. 1:18:03.160 --> 1:18:05.560 And you know, looking around, it's like there was a 1:18:05.640 --> 1:18:08.160 dude who was doing jokes about how countries that beat 1:18:08.200 --> 1:18:10.519 women have better tasting food. I'm not saying if the 1:18:10.560 --> 1:18:12.639 joke was funny or not. I don't think this person 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:15.519 is a woman beater, But how is that not a 1:18:15.560 --> 1:18:16.479 woman hating joke? 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:18.960 Right right, Like it's just not that's just not part 1:18:19.000 --> 1:18:20.760 of the lexicon to be a mamin hater. 1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:24.960 Man hating is a thing that men have created. Yeah, 1:18:24.960 --> 1:18:26.920 and we talk about this a lot with the Violence 1:18:26.960 --> 1:18:29.599 Against Women Act, where it's like, why isn't men committing violence? 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:32.479 It's like always violence, it's always passive. It's like who's 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:36.160 committing all these crimes against women? But from now it's 1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:39.439 like we all have to make it our mission that 1:18:39.520 --> 1:18:42.400 anytime there's an Abel Castro or any of these fucking 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:45.800 lunatics that attack what, they're women haters. Yeah, we just 1:18:45.880 --> 1:18:48.639 are like, oh, they're mentally dizzy. Oh these school shooter 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:51.280 ome poor them. And it's like, yeah, no, that guy 1:18:51.320 --> 1:18:55.280 in Atlanta was a woman hater. Yes, you know it's so, 1:18:55.600 --> 1:18:58.360 but yeah, people were just like, Oh, this fucking lesbian 1:18:58.520 --> 1:19:02.160 kill her. Right. Also, male serial killers are often very 1:19:02.200 --> 1:19:06.040 glorified and movies are made about them and they have fans, 1:19:06.360 --> 1:19:08.439 And for her, it was just like you're a monster 1:19:08.560 --> 1:19:12.040 and a bad person. It's like they're just putting us 1:19:12.040 --> 1:19:13.800 in such a weird place where we're fighting for the 1:19:13.880 --> 1:19:16.679 rights of a cold blooded killer. Maybe, but I don't think. 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:20.160 I don't know. I don't think that there are just 1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:23.000 different standards for women and men, and men are expected 1:19:23.040 --> 1:19:25.400 to be violent, and we as a culture minimize and 1:19:25.439 --> 1:19:28.360 deny male violence, like he's under a lot of pressure, 1:19:28.400 --> 1:19:31.040 he's in therapy, he's working on himself. Oh, he wouldn't 1:19:31.040 --> 1:19:34.120 do that. But we also blame women for male violence, 1:19:34.160 --> 1:19:37.040 where it's like, why did she stay? She likes it rough, 1:19:37.160 --> 1:19:40.240 she provoked him, what you know, because I remember a 1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:42.080 lot of people still to this day it's like, well, 1:19:42.120 --> 1:19:46.280 what did Rihanna do? What did Rihanna do? Yeah, And 1:19:46.360 --> 1:19:48.880 obviously there is a debate about whether it was self 1:19:48.880 --> 1:19:51.599 defense or was she an aggressive killer, But it shows 1:19:51.600 --> 1:19:55.160 that women's self defense is consistently confused for female aggression, 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:58.639 and it reflects in the sentencing. According to the nineteen 1:19:58.680 --> 1:20:02.320 ninety Florida State Supreme Gender Bias Report the year war 1:20:02.439 --> 1:20:05.400 nots was you know killing women in Florida were treated 1:20:05.479 --> 1:20:09.080 more harshly than similarly crimed male offenders. 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:11.240 Well, it's kind of like we talked about this in 1:20:11.240 --> 1:20:15.720 the Nicks Mary Brown case where her husband was the 1:20:15.720 --> 1:20:18.200 one who murdered this little girl, but she got a 1:20:18.200 --> 1:20:21.800 longer sentence because there's a thing about what you're a mother, 1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:22.840 you're a woman. 1:20:22.520 --> 1:20:24.439 Like why didn't you protect your child? 1:20:24.680 --> 1:20:27.120 Or like women are supposed to be good people or something, 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:30.000 And I mean, he just reminds me. I know, she 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:32.920 wasn't a mom, Eileen Morenos, But like, you know, there's 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:36.240 just for some reason women get punished because it's like 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:38.919 you're supposed to be good, so you doing. 1:20:38.720 --> 1:20:42.280 This bad thing. Men are expected to do shitty stuff. Yeah, 1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:44.320 and it's not just in the criminal world. I mean 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:46.400 I think for parenting and stuff too. As a mom, 1:20:46.439 --> 1:20:49.559 you could truly do everything and it's never enough. And 1:20:49.600 --> 1:20:51.559 a guy, if you just hold the baby at a party, 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:54.080 people are like, oh my god, the shother of the year. 1:20:55.000 --> 1:21:00.360 You know, it's it's not fair, okay. Men and Jaya 1:21:00.400 --> 1:21:04.799 and prison have greater access to libraries, educational and rehab programs, gyms, 1:21:04.840 --> 1:21:08.719 and are more conveniently located like closer for family visits. 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:11.599 So when she did appear in courtant she I mean, 1:21:11.640 --> 1:21:13.920 she's a badass bitch, So she didn't hesitate to tell 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:16.040 the judge injury exactly what she thought of them. She 1:21:16.160 --> 1:21:19.320 score a lot. I mean, she was a rude person, 1:21:19.640 --> 1:21:23.400 you know, like she wasn't soft and cuddly, okay, and 1:21:23.439 --> 1:21:25.800 why would she be? What is the world taught her? 1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:28.360 Anyone that you trust is going to fucking beat you, 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:33.360 take advantage of you, rape you. The University of Rhode 1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:35.559 Island had an academic thing I called, I don't know, 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:38.920 a journal whatever, and it was called Dignity, a Journal 1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:44.240 of Analysis of Exploitation and Violence. And it's by Phyllis Chessler, 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:49.160 who's a professor of psychology at Coney And I mentioned 1:21:49.200 --> 1:21:52.440 her above. She has a book. She's had decades of experience, 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:55.240 and she worked very closely with her like I'll talk 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:57.519 about it, but she spent a lot of time with Eileen, 1:21:59.080 --> 1:22:01.879 and so in the journal, I got a lot of information. 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:04.439 And so there are so many male criminals and they 1:22:04.439 --> 1:22:08.080 often get plea bargained since there's overcrowding in jails. But 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:11.040 since there are less female criminals, there's no need to 1:22:11.080 --> 1:22:14.240 save space or because of fear of overcrowding or anything, 1:22:15.200 --> 1:22:18.519 so there's less motivation to plea bargain with women. So 1:22:18.560 --> 1:22:22.479 women end up serving longer sentences and worse facilities. Wow, 1:22:22.520 --> 1:22:25.519 I never thought about that. I didn't either. That's why 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:27.479 you got to get these academic journals out. I mean 1:22:27.520 --> 1:22:30.240 I truly felt like I was, you know, in college. Again, well, 1:22:30.240 --> 1:22:31.960 I went to a Christian college, so I didn't actually 1:22:32.000 --> 1:22:35.200 have to do work. You could just be like, listen, 1:22:35.960 --> 1:22:40.320 Noah said this, and that's that. Okay, But yeah, I 1:22:40.320 --> 1:22:43.040 never thought about her too. Everything is selfish, so like 1:22:43.080 --> 1:22:45.639 there's no need to plea bargain anything. There's like space 1:22:45.680 --> 1:22:48.120 for all the women criminals, and that's why men get 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:52.519 like deals. The same psychologist Chessler, She drove down there 1:22:52.560 --> 1:22:55.120 a lot. No one would call her back. She was 1:22:55.160 --> 1:22:57.600 this feminist, She was a journalist, and she could have 1:22:57.600 --> 1:23:00.000 been a potential witness. She tried to be an organizer. 1:23:00.439 --> 1:23:03.120 She believes the trauma and violence she dealt with affected 1:23:03.160 --> 1:23:07.240 her in these crimes and not excused but explained. But 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:10.040 she was met with resistance in always like no one 1:23:10.120 --> 1:23:12.719 let her help. She spent a lot of time with Eileen, 1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:15.920 got a lot of scoop from her, but she legit 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:19.080 got together a pro bono team of experts to testify 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:22.519 about violence against prostitutes and the rights to defend herself 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:25.240 and address the complex post traumatic stress from being a 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:27.880 sex worker. None of them were called. 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:31.599 So her legal team wouldn't call any of these people 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:32.480 even though. 1:23:32.600 --> 1:23:35.240 No, So this woman put together this pro bono like 1:23:35.439 --> 1:23:38.760 set of experts that were never called to trial at all. 1:23:39.240 --> 1:23:42.080 And also Eileen refused an insanity defense. I don't know 1:23:42.080 --> 1:23:43.439 if that would have helped her or not. And like 1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:46.400 I said earlier, just to reiterate how alone this woman was. 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:51.479 Her lesbian lover testified against her. Yeah, Eileen kind of 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:53.479 broke down and cried in court as they played the 1:23:53.479 --> 1:23:55.640 tapes of her getting a confession out on tape. So 1:23:55.680 --> 1:23:59.920 they were like playing Tyra's shit, and like you can see, 1:24:00.040 --> 1:24:06.000 Eileen started crying so sad. But Tyra was bad news 1:24:06.000 --> 1:24:08.080 and knew all about all the murders and was never 1:24:08.200 --> 1:24:10.680 charged for anything and was a state's witness and was 1:24:10.720 --> 1:24:14.640 part of the movie deal package money so Eileen was 1:24:14.680 --> 1:24:17.440 sentenced to death and just kept getting more death sentences 1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:22.120 attached to her, and just watching the judge sentence someone 1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:29.040 to death was hard to watch. Yeah, it's sick, it's sick, 1:24:29.120 --> 1:24:33.120 and as it's really disgusting. I saw one video where 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:35.880 after she was sentenced again with this like Steve lawyer 1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:38.599 guy who didn't know what he was doing. She started 1:24:38.600 --> 1:24:40.680 saying how she will be in heaven while they all 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:43.320 rotten hell. And she looks at what I think is 1:24:43.360 --> 1:24:46.559 the prosecution and says, I hope your daughter and wife 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:49.120 get raped in the ass. I was raped, and you 1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:51.800 are nothing but a bunch of scum putting someone that 1:24:51.920 --> 1:24:58.120 was raped to death. You motherfuckers. She spoke her mind. Yeah, 1:24:58.320 --> 1:25:01.599 she finally dropped all her a PA and fired her lawyers. 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:06.240 The psychiatrists concluded that she was competent to choose execution. 1:25:07.360 --> 1:25:09.760 She met up and did another interview with a documentary 1:25:09.840 --> 1:25:11.600 for the same guy that did the Selling of a 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:14.320 serial Killer documentary in two thousand and three. He made 1:25:14.320 --> 1:25:16.280 another one in two thousand and three called Life and 1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:18.639 Death of a serial Killer. And they see each other 1:25:18.680 --> 1:25:20.640 in Core and she says she wants to talk to 1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:23.599 him so she says, the chances to overtune death penalty 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:25.760 are like super small and mostly the ones that get 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:28.439 changed have DNA, so you know, she's like, I'm going 1:25:28.479 --> 1:25:30.439 to die. I don't want to die a liar. She 1:25:30.560 --> 1:25:33.160 confesses that it was not self defense that she killed 1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:35.880 them in cold blood, but not for the thrill like 1:25:35.960 --> 1:25:39.200 most serial killers, but for survival and robbing them and 1:25:39.240 --> 1:25:44.000 eliminating a witness. Wow. She said, sorry about it, but 1:25:44.040 --> 1:25:46.320 the world is evil. We are all evil, and my 1:25:46.439 --> 1:25:49.439 evil came out because of substances of what I was doing, 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:53.479 being homeless, hooking and hitchhiking. She also said she still 1:25:53.479 --> 1:25:57.320 missed Tyra and loved her. Yeah, and she said that 1:25:57.400 --> 1:26:00.000 she's sorry for all the other people that lost their life, 1:26:00.000 --> 1:26:02.840 love ones and she's sorry. She said all the self 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:06.080 defense stuff wasn't true. But like I said, is that 1:26:06.120 --> 1:26:08.240 so she could just be executed and die or is 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:11.479 that really the truth? She was executed in October two 1:26:11.479 --> 1:26:15.400 thousand and two by lethal injection. Warnos was forty sixth 1:26:15.439 --> 1:26:18.000 and it was the tenth woman executed in the US. 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:22.120 Her final statement was I'll be back like Independence Day 1:26:22.320 --> 1:26:26.240 with Jesus June sixth, just like the movie Big mother 1:26:26.360 --> 1:26:30.760 Ship and I'll be back. Wow. She asked to be 1:26:30.800 --> 1:26:34.280 cremated with her Bible and for Natalie Merchant's song Carnival 1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:38.840 be played at her wake. And weirdly, the bar she 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:41.360 got arrested in, the last resort bar that was where 1:26:41.360 --> 1:26:43.160 her last night of freedom was, they have like a 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:46.080 large painting with her and like it has all the 1:26:46.200 --> 1:26:48.320 names of the men she killed in a framed photo 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:51.559 of her, and it's kind of like, wow, a true 1:26:51.640 --> 1:26:56.800 crime destination of sorts. Wow wow wow. Yeah, it's so 1:26:57.120 --> 1:27:01.320 fucked up the story it is. And maybe I'll watch 1:27:01.360 --> 1:27:04.080 the movie, but like these it's just too sad, and 1:27:05.240 --> 1:27:07.719 I don't think any I don't know. Maybe the guys 1:27:07.720 --> 1:27:11.400 are fine. I bet they were bad people, yeah, And 1:27:11.520 --> 1:27:13.400 I think I wish that all the people in her 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:15.800 town can go to jail. I wish all those people 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:18.360 that took the stand and admitted to getting blowjobs from 1:27:18.360 --> 1:27:21.240 her when she was nine years old, like death to 1:27:21.320 --> 1:27:26.200 them all. And this happens constantly, and for some reason, 1:27:26.240 --> 1:27:28.639 we have like empathy for men that go through abuse 1:27:28.800 --> 1:27:32.400 and not women that are just constantly fucking raped for decades. 1:27:32.520 --> 1:27:35.280 It's really so, it's really fucked. 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:38.320 I mean, no one is suggesting that she'd be like 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:40.720 let out to live her life freely, but she could 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:43.800 have been, you know, she could have maybe you know, 1:27:44.000 --> 1:27:47.160 had some kind of rehabilitation in jail and been able to. 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:51.719 Just been in jail fine, because she also she hated 1:27:51.800 --> 1:27:55.519 being in isolation. I mean, it's like if she could 1:27:55.560 --> 1:27:58.559 be in mass pop first, like death Row, it's like 1:27:58.720 --> 1:28:02.800 more intense. She could have found like a lover and 1:28:02.840 --> 1:28:07.280 a friend in jail and been living I don't know, yeah, 1:28:07.720 --> 1:28:11.400 but well it's upsetting. 1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:14.200 We do, as usual, have a great palate cleanser of 1:28:14.200 --> 1:28:17.400 a guest for you, so don't go anywhere. 1:28:24.400 --> 1:28:24.800 All right. 1:28:24.920 --> 1:28:29.680 Today's guest is an icon Honestly, she has been nominated 1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:34.160 for four Primetime Emmys. She's been on Broadway as Sally 1:28:34.200 --> 1:28:38.240 Bowles and Velmakelly iconic roles on TV, You've seen her 1:28:38.240 --> 1:28:41.639 on Grey's Anatomy, Shameless, Desperate Housewives, I'm Becoming a God 1:28:41.640 --> 1:28:45.919 in Central Florida, and most famously, she played Sylvia Costas 1:28:45.960 --> 1:28:49.639 Sipowitz on NYPD Blue. But today you know her as 1:28:49.640 --> 1:28:54.639 the cocktail personality baby Maggie Peterson. Guys, get into our 1:28:54.680 --> 1:28:56.360 talk with Sharon Lawrence. 1:28:57.360 --> 1:28:59.920 So this is an iconic episode, one of our favorites. 1:29:00.400 --> 1:29:02.640 When you got the script, you read about it and 1:29:02.680 --> 1:29:06.920 the character, were you very jazzed excited? How did you sure? 1:29:10.160 --> 1:29:13.639 At that point I was playing mostly good women, so 1:29:13.800 --> 1:29:17.880 it was fun that sense changed. I find more bad 1:29:17.920 --> 1:29:20.280 women than good women now, and I don't know whether 1:29:20.360 --> 1:29:23.320 that's because of SVU and the success of that character, 1:29:23.880 --> 1:29:28.880 or just the way things happen as you evolve in 1:29:29.080 --> 1:29:33.080 the canon of women in television, but at that point 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:37.480 it was it was a nice stretch for me. And 1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:41.240 when I read the script, it was a mystery to 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:46.040 me how anyone could actually that kind of character, could 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:47.599 be based on something that's real. 1:29:48.280 --> 1:29:49.360 But at the time. 1:29:50.800 --> 1:29:53.719 I was let's see, when was this filmed? 1:29:54.560 --> 1:29:55.360 Two thousand and two? 1:29:55.400 --> 1:29:57.160 I think, yeah, yeah, right, okay, So I was already 1:29:57.200 --> 1:30:01.439 married to my husband, who's a psychiatry trust and he 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:06.680 let me know that this chameleon, the cocktail personality, I 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:10.200 should say, the episode is called chameleon, but as some 1:30:10.560 --> 1:30:14.280 bad Walk's character talks about, it's a cocktail personality. They 1:30:14.360 --> 1:30:18.720 change in accordance to what they recognize will give them 1:30:18.720 --> 1:30:21.160 an advantage with whoever it is or talking to so 1:30:22.439 --> 1:30:25.000 you know, to me that that just sounds like somebody. 1:30:24.680 --> 1:30:25.559 In Hollywood, But. 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:28.679 It's so true. 1:30:28.720 --> 1:30:33.000 It's a real psychiatric phenomenon. It's not a diagnosis, but 1:30:33.040 --> 1:30:33.960 it is a phenomenon. 1:30:34.280 --> 1:30:36.479 That's so, that's so interesting. Your husband must have helped 1:30:36.479 --> 1:30:38.160 you a little bit. Did he help you a little bit, 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:40.840 like get like telling you about that whole. 1:30:41.400 --> 1:30:43.880 Well, he just he just made it legit for me. 1:30:44.160 --> 1:30:47.960 And that's that's what I needed, the medium and all 1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:50.960 I needed was for him to say that's real and 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:55.200 I could buy in and do the work to make 1:30:55.240 --> 1:31:00.080 it happen in a real way for me first and 1:31:00.120 --> 1:31:04.519 hopefully for the audience on stage and for the lens 1:31:05.200 --> 1:31:05.799 on a camera. 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:07.080 Yeah. 1:31:07.280 --> 1:31:09.519 Wow, you have like your own in house doctor Wong. 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:10.760 That's so exciting. 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:12.479 Yes, indeed, I do. 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:16.719 Can we ask you we were obviously researching you before 1:31:16.760 --> 1:31:20.200 we got on this call with you. And there's an 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:25.000 uncited piece of information on your Wikipedia that says that 1:31:25.080 --> 1:31:27.840 you got married to your husband in the same church 1:31:27.960 --> 1:31:31.240 that your NYPD Blue character got married to Dennis Franz. 1:31:31.360 --> 1:31:33.960 Is that true? Because it says citation needed. 1:31:34.600 --> 1:31:37.519 Well, let me get on there and cite that right now, 1:31:37.640 --> 1:31:41.920 because Ding ding Ding. It's true. 1:31:41.800 --> 1:31:41.960 Yes. 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:42.680 Wow. 1:31:43.320 --> 1:31:48.280 When I met my husband, he's Greek. The church that 1:31:48.439 --> 1:31:50.519 I belonged to beck in my home day in North 1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:52.679 Carolina was no longer my church. When he said, would 1:31:52.680 --> 1:31:55.240 you be opposed to getting married in the Greek church? 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:58.840 I said, well, honey, I've already done that and I 1:31:59.040 --> 1:32:02.040 just like it what I met by, and of course 1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:04.160 it was. It was an easy yes for me because 1:32:04.160 --> 1:32:08.080 I knew how beautiful this place was. So what my 1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:10.720 concern was with would it feel like I had done 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:14.800 it before? But we did have the same priest. The 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:20.719 priest who married who appeared in the background of NYPD 1:32:20.840 --> 1:32:23.479 Blue was the same priest. He's a real priest, father 1:32:23.560 --> 1:32:27.080 John Beckis, and he's who married Tom And oh that 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:28.320 is so funny. 1:32:28.360 --> 1:32:28.599 Wow. 1:32:28.720 --> 1:32:31.000 Okay, well we're going to get on Wikipedia and clear 1:32:31.080 --> 1:32:33.639 that right now because it is all true. 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:38.960 That's amazing. I do have some more NYPD Blue. Do 1:32:39.000 --> 1:32:42.320 you keep in touch with Garcel? We're big Real Housewives people. 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:46.640 Have you been watching Real Housewives? Any information that you 1:32:46.640 --> 1:32:48.120 can give me us? I don't. 1:32:48.160 --> 1:32:50.880 I don't watch a lot of reality TV. Not really 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:54.519 my thing on I Garcel and I have seen each 1:32:54.520 --> 1:32:57.880 other at events, and I love her. She's a great gal. 1:32:58.000 --> 1:33:03.080 She's so charming, and you know, she she was a 1:33:03.320 --> 1:33:05.439 you know, a bright light on the show. We didn't 1:33:05.479 --> 1:33:09.680 ever really cross pads, but I certainly watched her on it, 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:12.240 and she's got a great vibe, just a great energy. 1:33:12.320 --> 1:33:14.519 Yeah, no, she does on the show. We love her. 1:33:15.280 --> 1:33:17.280 We really have to bring up that you played Velma 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:22.080 Kelly in Broadway, which is like one of our favorite 1:33:22.080 --> 1:33:26.720 of all time musicals, and that's wow, like and I 1:33:26.760 --> 1:33:28.400 want to know what that was like. But I also 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:30.280 want to know if you challenge any of that femme 1:33:30.320 --> 1:33:34.320 fatale energy, channels any of that fem fatal energy into. 1:33:34.160 --> 1:33:35.400 Your chamelion stroll you. 1:33:36.400 --> 1:33:40.400 Rather than tell you, I'll show you wow. 1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:47.080 Oh wow baby. Oh yes, that looks amazing. Yeah, smoke show. 1:33:47.240 --> 1:33:48.080 That's a bad girl. 1:33:48.960 --> 1:33:51.160 So I wore the black wig, as you can tell. 1:33:51.920 --> 1:33:52.400 I had to. 1:33:52.840 --> 1:33:54.639 Okay, I couldn't play Velma without it. 1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:57.639 Yeah, you have more of roxy hair in real life. 1:33:57.880 --> 1:34:01.400 Yeah right, I couldn't. I couldn't smoke, uh in real life, 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:04.960 you know, but I could smoke on this and I 1:34:05.000 --> 1:34:09.000 had a great time. Yeah, you know, It's it's always 1:34:09.040 --> 1:34:13.320 an honor to step into a classic show. You know, 1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:17.000 it's it's great to create a show, but to step 1:34:17.040 --> 1:34:21.400 into a show that's already so iconic, uh means they 1:34:21.439 --> 1:34:21.840 trust you. 1:34:23.560 --> 1:34:25.800 Just to uh get back a little bit to the 1:34:25.840 --> 1:34:28.599 SVU episode, we obviously need to talk about the scene 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:32.679 where you are basically straddling Christopher Maloney. 1:34:32.680 --> 1:34:34.000 I mean, like, how how was that? 1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:37.600 Our listeners are going to need to hear the details? 1:34:38.200 --> 1:34:41.200 You know you said, Uh, that came so easily to 1:34:41.240 --> 1:34:45.320 me because I'm a dancer, and I yeah, I have 1:34:46.400 --> 1:34:51.800 no compunction about listen in in Chicago, we were straddling 1:34:52.240 --> 1:34:57.000 the audience basically especially the front row because in the 1:34:57.280 --> 1:34:58.759 in the song he had at common. 1:34:59.520 --> 1:35:00.639 Uh, we are. 1:35:01.360 --> 1:35:04.519 The sub black tango is the proper name for the dance, 1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:12.639 and so we we are all using our power zones 1:35:13.120 --> 1:35:17.559 right sometimes and power zones come in many, many versions 1:35:17.600 --> 1:35:22.439 of the female body and the female presence. And one 1:35:22.439 --> 1:35:26.160 of those power zones is to not be afraid of 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:30.960 your growing area, of that area that is that scares 1:35:31.000 --> 1:35:36.360 a lot of men. So uh, And in that scene, 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:39.920 if you watch closely when he leaves what and not 1:35:40.040 --> 1:35:43.960 maybe until he leaves, do you notice or when they 1:35:43.960 --> 1:35:48.680 pull back right before he leaves that her leg is 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:52.680 between his legs, that I put my leg between his legs. 1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:55.400 So it was it was it was a threat as 1:35:55.520 --> 1:36:01.360 much as a come on. And uh, I'm pretty sure 1:36:01.479 --> 1:36:05.160 that was me because I know they said just feel 1:36:05.240 --> 1:36:08.240 free as you're as you're blocking this, as you're you're 1:36:09.040 --> 1:36:12.880 plotting this out to come around the table, and Chris 1:36:12.960 --> 1:36:17.240 was game, but I did make that choice because he 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:19.559 was He was sitting with his legs apart for the 1:36:19.640 --> 1:36:25.920 same reason that legs apart stance is classic in the 1:36:25.960 --> 1:36:30.439 Animal Kingdom when when they are taking their ground right 1:36:31.240 --> 1:36:34.639 and uh, his legs were already a part on the chair, 1:36:34.960 --> 1:36:39.880 so I planted mine and it was a great moment 1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:44.120 for us to find that who's dominant. I not only 1:36:44.200 --> 1:36:47.559 was above him, but when my leg was between his, 1:36:48.120 --> 1:36:49.000 he's vulnerable. 1:36:49.600 --> 1:36:53.240 Right. Wow. The other you know, the ending of the 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:57.880 episode with you hanging in your jail cell pretty wild. 1:36:58.560 --> 1:37:01.599 That was you. That wasn't like a yeah, a dummy situation. 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:03.639 Yeah yeah. And it was me that had the fight 1:37:03.680 --> 1:37:06.040 with Marriscow, which was really fun because again we know, 1:37:06.280 --> 1:37:10.439 we were acting class together, Larry Moss's class, and it 1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:12.680 was really fun to get that physical with her and 1:37:12.720 --> 1:37:15.679 for us to to because you know, we've hung out, 1:37:15.760 --> 1:37:24.040 and to have that that playful moment, because it does 1:37:24.080 --> 1:37:27.000 feel like play and it's rare that women get to 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:28.800 do that, women of our age get to do that, 1:37:29.400 --> 1:37:32.519 you know. And then the scene in the jail cell, 1:37:33.000 --> 1:37:37.120 the scene was very simple for me. They I was 1:37:37.280 --> 1:37:42.280 actually seated on something right, so I wasn't stressed on. 1:37:42.280 --> 1:37:43.599 My neck right right. 1:37:44.040 --> 1:37:46.200 The hair and makeup was beautiful. I think I'd already 1:37:46.240 --> 1:37:49.439 done the courtroom scene, which those courtroom scenes are their 1:37:49.479 --> 1:37:55.320 own challenge, just the length of ours, the fact that 1:37:55.360 --> 1:37:58.479 you are not able to move as much, your energy 1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:00.439 doesn't get to move as much because you're in the 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:04.920 in that witness stand. But by the time we shut that, 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:08.080 you know, I had pretty much my work was done. 1:38:08.640 --> 1:38:10.960 I know you were in a DA and NYPD Blue, 1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:15.000 were you like sizing up? Stephanie March was there like 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:17.360 eighty eight competitive games. 1:38:18.360 --> 1:38:22.720 She was so good, she's so good and and and 1:38:22.880 --> 1:38:25.439 they get to do so much more a DA work 1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:28.400 than I ever did on NiPd. But it was very 1:38:28.479 --> 1:38:31.639 rare that they really cases really went that far because 1:38:31.640 --> 1:38:34.840 it was about the cops and Sylvia became about the 1:38:34.920 --> 1:38:38.519 romance much more than about the system, the judicial system. 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:44.280 What I also loved seeing was Judith Light because Judith 1:38:44.320 --> 1:38:46.839 and I did a musical together, we did company together. 1:38:47.040 --> 1:38:50.200 And I'm such a fan of hers and and love 1:38:50.240 --> 1:38:54.160 what she stands for and how she she uses her platform, 1:38:54.360 --> 1:38:58.080 you know, way back in the day for the AIDS ride. 1:38:58.200 --> 1:39:00.599 She and her husband have have been such a great 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:06.519 source of advocacy for many causes. But what she's done 1:39:06.520 --> 1:39:12.240 for the gay community is just it's remarkable. And I 1:39:12.280 --> 1:39:16.360 don't know. Yeah, and then and Diane Weese two is 1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:20.639 she's a legend. She's a she is a legend. She's 1:39:20.680 --> 1:39:23.360 a theater legend, at the screen legend. And I love 1:39:23.439 --> 1:39:25.920 that they use the women in that show to talk 1:39:26.000 --> 1:39:32.799 about the politicization of cases about women, as particularly capital 1:39:32.840 --> 1:39:35.280 cases that involve women. It was it was a really 1:39:35.320 --> 1:39:39.240 smart twiss and the writers right, you know, Tara Butters 1:39:39.240 --> 1:39:43.559 and Michelle Rossi, those women who recognized that this is 1:39:43.600 --> 1:39:47.120 more than just a case that's salacious, it's a case 1:39:47.160 --> 1:39:50.559 about how do we balance justice. 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:55.160 Well, we went on your Instagram and you are shooting 1:39:56.320 --> 1:39:59.360 Christmas House too, and two of your co stars are 1:39:59.560 --> 1:40:01.160 s vu a lum and I don't know if you 1:40:01.240 --> 1:40:03.320 knew that or not, but we got excited. Treat Williams 1:40:03.360 --> 1:40:06.400 and Jonathan Bennett were both in SVU episodes, so that 1:40:06.479 --> 1:40:08.479 was like a jam packed photo we saw. Did you 1:40:08.520 --> 1:40:10.240 guys ever chat about your SVUS? 1:40:10.520 --> 1:40:13.000 No, but I'm going to get on our family text 1:40:13.120 --> 1:40:16.960 right now. I knew it. Doesn't surprise me. Treat did 1:40:17.000 --> 1:40:19.360 because Treat's a New York based guy, so of course 1:40:19.360 --> 1:40:20.760 he did. He might have done it more than once, 1:40:21.120 --> 1:40:23.200 but I didn't know Jonathan. Good for him. 1:40:23.840 --> 1:40:27.920 Yeah, he was a high younger. He had some relations 1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:36.559 with a stepmother. It was a wild episode. Ooh ooh, okay, oh. 1:40:39.920 --> 1:40:42.000 What a nice lady. People are cool. 1:40:42.439 --> 1:40:44.400 She's also I wish you guys could I wish we 1:40:44.400 --> 1:40:48.479 could tape our interviews sometimes with visuals because she's so gorgeous. 1:40:48.560 --> 1:40:51.200 She looks like the same as she did on NYPD Blue, 1:40:51.200 --> 1:40:52.000 like twenty years ago. 1:40:52.040 --> 1:40:52.639 It's wild. 1:40:53.520 --> 1:40:57.479 Yeah, you can catch her beautiful mug in the drama 1:40:57.520 --> 1:41:01.639 series Joe Pickett coming to Spectrum this winter, and she's 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:03.960 going to be in the Christmas House too. Deck those 1:41:04.040 --> 1:41:07.360 Halls on Hallmark on December eighteenth. If you need a 1:41:07.360 --> 1:41:09.720 little Christmas movie in your Life and she's on that 1:41:09.800 --> 1:41:13.320 with Treat Williams, another SVU alum, Jonathan Bennett, and another 1:41:13.360 --> 1:41:14.000 SVU alum. 1:41:14.120 --> 1:41:17.120 It's like jam packed. And I love talking to people 1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:20.200 where you can tell they love their job, they're grateful 1:41:20.240 --> 1:41:22.559 for their lives and they're just like on the fucking 1:41:22.720 --> 1:41:26.040 ride and enjoying it. Yeah, and some love. 1:41:26.479 --> 1:41:26.680 You know. 1:41:27.200 --> 1:41:29.240 She just really she has it all for me. 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:32.920 And we were able to confirm a citation needed from Wikipedia. 1:41:33.000 --> 1:41:34.280 I mean, that's a dream. 1:41:34.320 --> 1:41:35.760 We got to get in there and like put our 1:41:35.920 --> 1:41:39.479 like link to our episode as the confirmation that she 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:41.519 got married in the same church as her character. 1:41:41.680 --> 1:41:45.240 So fun. No, we're very cool. Anytime I like start 1:41:45.280 --> 1:41:49.200 thinking about our lives and who we've talked to him, 1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:54.320 Like damn, just talented people everywhere. Such a blessing. 1:41:54.960 --> 1:41:58.120 But in today's post mortem, we probably learned. 1:41:57.880 --> 1:42:04.320 That the world is sex again. The page knucks. We 1:42:04.800 --> 1:42:07.280 have to We're gonna eventually have to change what this 1:42:07.320 --> 1:42:09.679 little segment is called, because what we learn every week 1:42:09.760 --> 1:42:13.599 is the world is endless horrors. Everyone hates women and 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:16.320 there's nothing good in the world. And that's what we learn. 1:42:16.720 --> 1:42:19.640 You're just you know, kidnapping babies, hanging yourself at the 1:42:19.640 --> 1:42:20.759 prison and that's life. 1:42:20.840 --> 1:42:23.000 Wekay, Yeah, But I mean I do think the story 1:42:23.000 --> 1:42:26.640 of Eileen Morenos is like really is really tough. And 1:42:26.920 --> 1:42:29.360 I mean, I know everybody, like you know, everybody knows 1:42:29.360 --> 1:42:32.160 about it from Monster, the Charlie's movie and stuff and 1:42:32.200 --> 1:42:34.439 the Oscar buzz, But if you really think about it, 1:42:34.439 --> 1:42:36.280 it's like this was a person who had a really 1:42:36.280 --> 1:42:39.439 really traumatic upbringing and yes she committed some crimes, but 1:42:39.479 --> 1:42:40.840 it seems like a lot of her crimes were in 1:42:40.880 --> 1:42:44.400 self defense. I don't know, I just feel like if 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:46.960 I think what we learn time and time again is 1:42:46.960 --> 1:42:49.200 that if sex work was to come out from the 1:42:49.240 --> 1:42:50.400 shadows more. 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:53.760 We could protect sex workers more absolutely. And I think 1:42:53.800 --> 1:42:56.719 this kind of touches back on what we're talking about 1:42:56.720 --> 1:42:59.160 with the train attack in Pennsylvania recently, where it's like 1:42:59.800 --> 1:43:04.000 you knew this child was prostituting herself for cigarettes, you know, 1:43:04.120 --> 1:43:07.600 and food, and that her grandfother slashed dat whatever, was 1:43:07.640 --> 1:43:10.200 beating the shit out of her, like the community knew 1:43:10.280 --> 1:43:14.240 and did nothing. And we've talked about cases before where 1:43:14.360 --> 1:43:16.280 people know this house is weird, they don't see the 1:43:16.360 --> 1:43:18.920 kids except their marching at night, and it's like, save 1:43:19.040 --> 1:43:22.120 those kids. What the fuck you see this child who 1:43:22.160 --> 1:43:24.719 has nothing? But I bet that community, the whole community 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:27.040 was poor. If she's living in the woods, like maybe 1:43:27.080 --> 1:43:29.120 they don't have. But you know, you hear these stories 1:43:29.160 --> 1:43:32.080 of like, yeah, my family took in our friend because 1:43:32.120 --> 1:43:34.439 their parents sucked, and you hear about these things, and 1:43:34.479 --> 1:43:37.240 it's like, be that person. Be the parents that take 1:43:37.280 --> 1:43:39.320 in a child of need and fucking help them if 1:43:39.360 --> 1:43:43.200 you have the me. It's just, yeah, it's used to 1:43:43.240 --> 1:43:46.920 be like it takes the village community, like all working together, 1:43:47.040 --> 1:43:50.320 and it's just becomes such an individualistic My nuclear family 1:43:50.400 --> 1:43:54.040 is all that matters vibes, and it's it's just disappointing. 1:43:54.280 --> 1:43:59.760 And I don't understand why we don't help each other. 1:44:00.200 --> 1:44:02.479 Yeah we do. We do have to help each other more, 1:44:02.560 --> 1:44:05.960 for sure, and just the laws like I didn't, I 1:44:06.000 --> 1:44:08.720 didn't really realize, you know. It's just upsetting that she 1:44:08.800 --> 1:44:11.400 wasn't even offered to be in prison, like she had 1:44:11.479 --> 1:44:14.920 to die like it is. It's sick. I think we 1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:18.479 learned that Christians are you know this guy, I won't say. 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:24.320 I'm not going to say, you know what, I don't 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:27.400 need to generalize. But no, but I think everybody needs 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:28.719 I mean, I do think. 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:33.080 We need to take a We need a referendum capital 1:44:33.080 --> 1:44:36.120 punishment in this country because it's just really not it's 1:44:36.240 --> 1:44:39.160 not the answer. It doesn't deter it doesn't do the 1:44:39.200 --> 1:44:41.160 things we think it's going to do. And I think 1:44:41.200 --> 1:44:43.559 that it's, uh, it's not the right way. 1:44:43.800 --> 1:44:47.400 Yeah, it reminds me of Yosemite Sam's style government. You know, 1:44:47.520 --> 1:44:51.040 it's like, why are we taking clues from like a 1:44:51.080 --> 1:44:53.400 little cartoon guy, And that's what I feel. It's just 1:44:53.439 --> 1:44:55.720 a bunch of Yosemite Sam's running around me like let's 1:44:55.720 --> 1:44:58.519 shoot them all up? And it's just the women hating 1:44:58.560 --> 1:45:04.559 man hate. It's just yeah, I don't know. And why 1:45:04.600 --> 1:45:07.879 are expert witnesses not being called? You know, our judges 1:45:08.120 --> 1:45:10.960 just like having so much bias. What's up with the juris? 1:45:11.560 --> 1:45:14.519 Why didn't we move the trial? It's like everything is 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:18.880 so deep and layered and there's so many elements and yeah, well, 1:45:19.160 --> 1:45:21.960 and we also learned about the cocktail personality, which may 1:45:22.040 --> 1:45:25.160 or may not be real, but that it is real, 1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:27.200 I guess because Sharon told us her husband knew about it. 1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:29.519 I just couldn't find anything about it specifically, because it's 1:45:29.560 --> 1:45:32.559 been flooded on the internet with what your cocktail quiz 1:45:32.640 --> 1:45:36.040 is about your personality, Like Cosmo, I'm lucky because my 1:45:36.120 --> 1:45:39.080 therapist isn't really a therapist, she's kind of a witch doctor, 1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:45.160 so we don't talk about any diagnoses. You're so lucky. Yeah, 1:45:45.280 --> 1:45:47.160 I'm just doing taro with my therapis. 1:45:47.160 --> 1:45:50.320 But I think it's I think a good postpartum takeaway 1:45:50.400 --> 1:45:52.280 is like, look out for people that have that, Like, 1:45:52.280 --> 1:45:53.840 look out for people that are telling you what you 1:45:53.880 --> 1:45:55.760 want to hear, and like then they tell the next 1:45:55.800 --> 1:45:57.880 person what they want to hear. Like just like, beware 1:45:57.880 --> 1:46:00.160 of those people because they're charming as fuck, but they 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:01.639 are narcissists and. 1:46:02.120 --> 1:46:04.599 They'll fuck you in the end or kill you. And 1:46:04.640 --> 1:46:07.080 in comedy, well, so we have a friend who works 1:46:07.120 --> 1:46:09.880 in higher education and she did confirm that professors are 1:46:09.920 --> 1:46:13.280 more insane than comedians, so that's been nice. And then 1:46:13.360 --> 1:46:16.120 someone that works with comedians told me, she goes, that's 1:46:16.120 --> 1:46:18.760 horrifying that there's a group of people worse than comedians. 1:46:18.760 --> 1:46:21.519 And I hope that's not the takeaway I got from this, 1:46:24.400 --> 1:46:29.000 but I do think in our line of work we 1:46:29.040 --> 1:46:32.040 deal with a look. I guess all lines of we 1:46:32.080 --> 1:46:34.200 deal with a lot of mental illness and we need 1:46:34.280 --> 1:46:37.400 to take stock sometimes of how many psychopaths we are 1:46:37.439 --> 1:46:40.240 around all times, and it does affect us. But you're right, 1:46:40.280 --> 1:46:44.080 there's just like calculating people. They act different with different 1:46:44.080 --> 1:46:46.600 people they want to, I mean, and it takes a 1:46:46.600 --> 1:46:48.040 while to learn. I feel like you have to get 1:46:48.080 --> 1:46:51.719 burned time and time again before you like figure it out, 1:46:52.000 --> 1:46:54.680 because yeah, or who to trust? But I think we 1:46:54.800 --> 1:46:59.040 deal with a lot of shady people. Yeah, and show 1:46:59.120 --> 1:47:03.400 business kid, But I guess you know in higher education too. Yeah, true, true, true, 1:47:03.760 --> 1:47:06.040 don't trust anyone. But there's that book one in four 1:47:06.040 --> 1:47:10.320 people are sociopath like the sociopath next door? Oh really yeah, 1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:12.759 I think the theory is like one in four people, damn. 1:47:13.600 --> 1:47:15.400 And so then it's like, you know, you have to 1:47:15.439 --> 1:47:17.360 like think about that when you're dealing with someone. If 1:47:17.400 --> 1:47:19.599 like your boss is purposely fucking you all the time, 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:24.000 it's like, oh, that might be a socio yeah yeah, yeah. 1:47:24.439 --> 1:47:28.439 Like my like, we have a friend who's got a 1:47:29.240 --> 1:47:32.599 step child with her partner, and like the biological mom 1:47:32.760 --> 1:47:36.360 is like just a powder keg constantly about to go off. 1:47:36.400 --> 1:47:39.800 Like whenever something bad happens in her life, they know 1:47:39.880 --> 1:47:41.840 that they're going to start to get something from her, 1:47:41.880 --> 1:47:42.400 do you know what I mean? 1:47:42.439 --> 1:47:45.120 Like she's going to start to give them static. 1:47:44.760 --> 1:47:46.920 Because like it's something that happened to her, and so 1:47:47.000 --> 1:47:48.879 now she's like got to take it out on everyone 1:47:48.880 --> 1:47:49.439 around her. 1:47:49.680 --> 1:47:53.200 What's this powder? What's powder? Powder? Would you say? Powder? 1:47:53.280 --> 1:47:54.040 Like a powder keg? 1:47:54.600 --> 1:47:57.519 Never, I don't know, like a powder keg, like like 1:47:57.680 --> 1:48:01.040 I think, like an explosive base. A powder keg is 1:48:01.040 --> 1:48:03.240 like an explosive Yeah, oh I love it. I love 1:48:03.320 --> 1:48:06.439 getting a little word teaching to you, like a little phrase, 1:48:07.320 --> 1:48:09.920 turn a phrase, Hannah, Are you here to tell me 1:48:09.920 --> 1:48:10.360 that I'm wrong? 1:48:10.520 --> 1:48:12.479 Absolutely not, I'm here to have Lisa do a pickup. 1:48:12.600 --> 1:48:15.519 It's four percent of ordinary people one in twenty five, 1:48:15.960 --> 1:48:17.479 not one and four, which I feel like is an 1:48:17.520 --> 1:48:19.320 important thing to do a pickup of. 1:48:20.000 --> 1:48:22.560 I'm like, I think I just like make up or 1:48:22.600 --> 1:48:23.519 something like that. 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:27.040 It's like not one and four, And I was like, 1:48:27.080 --> 1:48:28.439 I'm going to make sure that's correct. 1:48:28.600 --> 1:48:31.679 But four one in twenty five, but one in twenty five. 1:48:31.760 --> 1:48:34.120 We all know twenty five people. We all know multiples 1:48:34.160 --> 1:48:34.880 of twenty five PEPs. 1:48:34.880 --> 1:48:36.960 So you all know a few sociopaths in your life 1:48:36.960 --> 1:48:37.599 for sure. 1:48:37.880 --> 1:48:40.799 Yeah, nar like we're all I mean, yeah, the older 1:48:40.840 --> 1:48:42.599 you get, I mean, I can't wait to get more 1:48:42.640 --> 1:48:45.360 and more wise and understand more of the world. Like 1:48:45.560 --> 1:48:47.760 what I see now verse ten years ago is just 1:48:47.840 --> 1:48:52.640 such a difference about just like how to react. I 1:48:52.640 --> 1:48:55.000 don't know how to see things, like I can't wait 1:48:55.040 --> 1:48:57.880 to see what I learn in ten years. Yeah about 1:48:57.880 --> 1:49:00.760 all that. And you'll be dating Joe KOI, yeah, I'll 1:49:00.840 --> 1:49:06.920 be dating Joy No I who knows? Who knows? But 1:49:07.040 --> 1:49:09.120 that's funny. No, I want them to beat together. 1:49:09.200 --> 1:49:12.160 I know, I know you'll you'll be dating your Jokoy, 1:49:12.320 --> 1:49:14.439 your Jokoy, like whoever your JOKOI is. 1:49:15.160 --> 1:49:17.760 Yeah, I wonder. I think I did one episode of 1:49:17.840 --> 1:49:20.000 Chelsea with him, for sure. I did. Well. 1:49:20.040 --> 1:49:21.880 We probably don't have a picture of probably you and 1:49:21.960 --> 1:49:24.320 him and Margaret that you don't even remember. Oh no, 1:49:24.360 --> 1:49:26.560 it was you and Margaret and Ross Matthews. 1:49:27.000 --> 1:49:28.240 I can't believe you don't remember. 1:49:28.520 --> 1:49:30.320 But now you're so obsessed with drag Race you don't 1:49:30.320 --> 1:49:33.200 even remember that you've fully met him. 1:49:34.240 --> 1:49:37.400 Anyway. No, but someone on my Twitter was like, oh, 1:49:37.400 --> 1:49:39.439 are you going to be Ross Matthews for Halloween, and 1:49:39.439 --> 1:49:42.680 I'm like, is this shade or what? What are you doing? 1:49:42.720 --> 1:49:45.439 I don't know what that means. I don't know. Wait 1:49:45.439 --> 1:49:45.880 what is this? 1:49:46.040 --> 1:49:46.240 Yeah? 1:49:46.840 --> 1:49:48.519 Always wait, we're looking at Oh, it's me. 1:49:50.439 --> 1:49:52.919 I'm looking at a photo of a guy named Jeff Wilde, 1:49:53.040 --> 1:49:56.840 Liza Jokoy and Chewie Bravo, who was uh who has 1:49:56.960 --> 1:49:59.560 since passed, but I'm so jealous that Lisa got to 1:49:59.560 --> 1:50:02.320 meet him. I'm with you and that guy Jeff is 1:50:02.360 --> 1:50:04.280 who I wrote on white Out with Oh no way, 1:50:04.320 --> 1:50:07.559 Jeffy pot Jiffy call him Jiffy goes by jeff Now again, 1:50:07.600 --> 1:50:09.559 I think he only went by Jiffy because Chelsea called 1:50:09.600 --> 1:50:09.840 him that. 1:50:10.680 --> 1:50:15.000 And it was twenty fourteen everybody and twenty four boys Facebook. 1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:16.519 How did you find that so quick? 1:50:17.640 --> 1:50:19.960 I mean, that's why she's making the big books. And 1:50:20.000 --> 1:50:23.360 then all the comments are like, I love you, and 1:50:23.400 --> 1:50:25.320 then one of the comments is she's such a dick 1:50:25.400 --> 1:50:30.800 to you, Joe, Lol, guess what you're fucking now? 1:50:31.040 --> 1:50:35.479 Well, in the interview, she or they were like on INSTALLA, 1:50:35.520 --> 1:50:37.120 I don't know, I saw them talk. I'm like obsessed 1:50:37.120 --> 1:50:40.040 and on every content about Chelsea and Joe Koy, but 1:50:40.439 --> 1:50:42.200 she was just like, You've always had a crush on 1:50:42.200 --> 1:50:44.559 me and he's like, no, I did n't, and she's like, hiss, 1:50:44.560 --> 1:50:47.320 you did, but we had a Riffin wrap. I don't know, 1:50:48.080 --> 1:50:49.240 it's just it's cute. 1:50:49.320 --> 1:50:53.800 Yeah, let's segue into this week's what would Sister Peg Do. 1:50:54.080 --> 1:50:56.879 I just wanted to highlight I found this Instagram account 1:50:57.800 --> 1:51:00.479 a while ago and I still fall of them. 1:51:00.960 --> 1:51:03.519 It's Her Whole Truth is what it's called. 1:51:03.560 --> 1:51:06.800 It's Instagram dot com forward slash Her Whole Truth w 1:51:07.120 --> 1:51:11.040 h O l E Truth, and it highlights stories and 1:51:11.160 --> 1:51:14.400 challenges of women on death Row and it's basically aiming 1:51:14.439 --> 1:51:18.120 to end the cycle of trauma and find out women's truths. 1:51:18.200 --> 1:51:20.800 So I just they were doing a lot to try 1:51:20.800 --> 1:51:22.920 to get a stay of execution for this woman that 1:51:23.000 --> 1:51:25.880 I've mentioned before who committed a horrible crime but also 1:51:25.920 --> 1:51:30.040 had a horrific upbringing. And there they're constantly sort of 1:51:30.040 --> 1:51:32.679 trying to end this cycle of violence that leads women 1:51:32.720 --> 1:51:35.720 to commit crimes that then they are punished for with 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:39.960 capital punishment. So I think it's a good follow and 1:51:40.520 --> 1:51:42.719 they have more resources over there. 1:51:43.439 --> 1:51:48.559 Thank you for that. Yeah, this podcast is not for 1:51:48.680 --> 1:51:53.080 capital punishment. If you were wondering, So next week's episode, 1:51:53.120 --> 1:51:54.920 we're doing one of the best, one of the faves, 1:51:54.960 --> 1:51:57.320 one of the classics. I can't believe we finally get 1:51:57.360 --> 1:52:02.479 to talk about it. Taboo Seasons, episode fourteen fourteen divided 1:52:02.520 --> 1:52:06.519 by two is seven. 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