1 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: So it's so funny the things that pop off and 2 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: that don't pop off. So let's talk about things that 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: unexpectedly pop off, which is why you ultimately always have 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: to be authentic, because if you're trying to produce products 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: or services or content that you think people will like, 6 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: it usually doesn't work. Authenticity is the name of the 7 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: game in twenty twenty four, and there are so many 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: different examples of it. But I am living proof of 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: that because I've seen this in so many different ways recently. 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: So I was on an airplane and a woman walked 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: up to me and she said, Hey, Bethany, it's Bozama. 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, hi, And she's like, I was 13 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: on your podcast. I'm like, I know you are. I 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: think the first guest on my podcast, and bo Saint 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: John was the first guest on this podcast. Asked she 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: was the CMO of Netflix. Before that, she was at Endeavor, 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: which is a big talent agency. It's now William Morris Endeavor, 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: or maybe it is. Yeah, I think it's WM ME 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: And she said hi, and she said I'm on the 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: New Housewives of Beverly Hills. I said, you are. I 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: didn't know it had just aired it had just started. 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: I don't watch the Housewives. I do talk about them 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: because of the clips that I see on social media 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: about the Housewives. But I said, oh wow, that's so 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: crazy amazing, and she said, yeah, I was negotiating and 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: I had to sign the Bethany clause. Now she's a 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: bad bitch. She's a real serious business bitch. And she 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: said she had to sign the Bethany clause, which to 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: me was like my first real Bethany clause flex. I 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: know everybody's had to sign it, and I'll explain to 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: you what it is, but that was like my first 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: real flex because she was the CMO of Netflix. Heard 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: of Netflix, and so I know that she like respected 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: my gangster, you know what I mean. I could tell 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: she like she she kind of respected my gangster, and 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: I like that. I respect hers. So anyway, we're on 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: the plane and then I talk into my phone and 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: I say, I tell a story. I just ran into 39 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: this woman. Blah blah blah. Do you want to meet her? 40 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: And I bring my phone over and I record her. 41 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: I say, she says it's okay, and she's beautiful, and 42 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: she says hello, and she's doing the show it's a 43 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: testament to a couple of things. One I remember years 44 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: ago sitting down with p K and Kyle PK from 45 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, and he said, we did the show because 46 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: of you, and we want the success that you've had. 47 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: And I've heard this from so many different Real Housewives producers, 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: not now, of course, because I'm persona on grata, but 49 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: so many Real Housewives producers that every housewive comes in 50 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: and says, I want to do what Bethany did, and 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm so humbled, I'm so grateful. I'm so moved by that, 52 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: Like I never take that for granted, and it shows 53 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: me that it's correct. I remember, like the Erica Janes 54 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: of the world coming on, and the actresses that had 55 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: a pre existing career or a Lisa Rinna started being 56 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: on the show because they had seen my success. It's 57 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: also why the show has changed, and it's also why 58 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York has changed, because the women 59 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: are beautiful and savvy and aware, and we were a 60 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: bunch of busted up train wrecks. So I'm going to 61 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: get into that we were has bins or nobody's. We 62 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: were used to be somebody or nobody's and now the 63 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: girls on the New York Housewives and are also savvy. 64 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: It's hard to go back to authenticity and it's hard 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: to go home again. And then people were saying, what 66 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: is the Bethany clause? And I was thinking, I can't 67 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: believe people don't know what the Bethany clause is. Actually, 68 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: scratch that, strike that on the record. I can't believe 69 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: why would people know what the Bethany clause is? Because 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: I've discussed it, but that doesn't mean that everybody's heard it, 71 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: and I've taken new fans on the journey. The Bethany 72 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: clause is a clause that when you go onto reality TV, 73 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: you sign saying that you'll give a piece of your 74 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: future business because of the platform that they're giving you. Now, 75 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: when I went on Two Housewives, I got a contract 76 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: and there was a small blurb that said that we 77 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: would give a percentage of our business our future business. 78 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: I was a nobody, I had nothing going on. The 79 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: fact that I didn't want to sign this is remarkable 80 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: because I'm not great at contracts, but I am good 81 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: at just like sniffing out something that doesn't work. And 82 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: in my contract I crossed that out. I said, I'll 83 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: take the shitty money, which was a lot of money 84 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: to me because I had no money, and I'm crossing 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: this part out. So this became a butt hurt moment 86 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: for Bravo when I was in the Hollywood Reporter in 87 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: a major article and on the cover of Forbes magazine, 88 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: and everybody saw the money that I made for Skinny Girl, 89 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: something that I used the vehicle of Housewives to create, 90 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: something that everyone tries to do now, something that the 91 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: Kardashians followed suit in doing their seers integration into their show. 92 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: And Kim promoted Madori after my deal. Why because we 93 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: had the same agent, the same agent named Brian dh 94 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: When called for someone to pay fifty thousand dollars to 95 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: Kim to do a small liquor deal, he said, no, 96 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: she doesn't drink, but he said, I have this girl 97 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: who has this idea for the skinny margarita, and that's 98 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: the deal that I ended up doing. After my deal, 99 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: Kim ended up doing a deal via Brian Dao with Madori. 100 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: Because that started the modern cocktail celebrity space. I also 101 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: started the TV show integration as that vehicle, meaning that's 102 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: why there was the Seers deal, and all of this 103 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: stuff with the Kardashians fueled into that show, and that's 104 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: why they're billionaires now because they learned that model which 105 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: I created, and they've been much more successful and lucrative 106 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: than I have at it. They probably work way harder 107 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: than I do. There are many more than them. They 108 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: have a Chris Jenner and give them their flowers. They've 109 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: done incredibly well. But that was a model that started 110 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: because I was on the show and the other women 111 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: were like buying diamonds and getting facials and talking about 112 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: how rich they were. I was telling the truth about 113 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: how poor I was and what I wanted, and in 114 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: real time, I was going through the experience of being hungry, 115 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: being alone, being single, being in my late thirties, being broke, 116 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: and wanting something. And I went through that with the audience, 117 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: which was an authentic experience. And now people are trying 118 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: to sort of re create that, but it's they can't 119 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: help themselves by want to act rich. And it's important 120 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: to say to you all who are in business or 121 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: budding entrepreneurs or have an idea or dreams that people 122 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: like myself and like the Kardashians have had many more 123 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: failures and successes. I had the lunch meets, I had 124 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: a nutritional shake, I had bars. I've had a bunch 125 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: of different things. The Kardashians have had tanning products, They've 126 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: had hair products, They've had credit cards, they've had diet pills. 127 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: They've had so many different failures. But it's like throwing 128 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: spaghetti against the wall and something hit. Kim's makeup hasn't 129 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: blown the doors off the way that Kylie's did. Kim 130 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Skims is what really popped it off, you know. I mean, 131 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: it's still supporting Kanye presumably now. And Kylie had this 132 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: apparel that didn't seem to do that well. And it's 133 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: not easy. J Lo has had skincare, body glow, hair, clothing, 134 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: all of it. Beyonce had Darian Jean's. I mean, people 135 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: have had major businesses that have hundreds of millions of 136 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: followers and failed. So do not be discouraged. If you 137 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: have failed, you can succeed. There are many roads to rome. 138 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: And like I said, not everybody has a Beverly Hills 139 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: Hollywood powerhouse machine like the Kardashians and a momager and 140 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: this infrastructure and the television show they got which was 141 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: a vehicle to push you through. You know. It's not 142 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: that easy. So that's why it's difficult, you know, for 143 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: the new women on Housewives to come on and just 144 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: be savvy and be that bitch and have a social 145 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: media presence and that be enough. The audience wants to 146 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: see the struggle, wants the authenticity, but they also want 147 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: the money. It's very difficult. They want to see the 148 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills backyards, but they also want to see someone struggling. 149 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: They want someone to succeed, but they also don't want 150 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: them to forget where they came from, you know, and 151 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: you just can't configure what the audience is going to 152 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: want in your small business, in your restaurant, or in 153 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: a television show or in a brand. You have to 154 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: just be authentic. And that's what most people aren't realizing. 155 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: That's why the Blake livelys and the Jennifer Lopez Is 156 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of these celebrities that were trained in 157 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: the glossed over, frosted, coached, scripted land of Hollywood have 158 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: fallen short. They just don't know how to do it. 159 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: It's not that easy to do It's not that easy 160 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: to be authentic. So the Bethany clause is something that 161 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: Bosom assigned. And once my deal happened in the article 162 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: on the Hollywood Reporter and Forbes came out, agents and 163 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: lawyers started implementing the Bethany clause because the networks were saying, 164 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: we're not going to let what happened with Bethany happened 165 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: to us, and if someone cash is out and has 166 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: a big success, we are going to want a piece. 167 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: And the thing is it's not that easily enforceable because networks, 168 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: and this doesn't happen with streamers, but networks aren't gonna 169 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: be good at auditing. Networks aren't gonna spend the time 170 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: and money and accountants to audit day and day out. 171 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: She by Chara and and you know rando businesses from 172 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: everybody on The Housewives and other shows, you know, snooky 173 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: slippers or Gretchen Rossi's handbags. Like, they're not going to 174 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: do that. It's an insurance policy. So if one day 175 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: somebody has a public cash out, they can go claw 176 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: back audit and then they can get the money. But 177 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: every day they're not just looking at what dor EAT's 178 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Beverly Beach, what happened to that? You know, I think 179 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: Dorit was also involved in nectaria wedding gowns, Like what 180 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: happened to that? You know, it's not that easy. So 181 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: they're not clawing back to see how many nectaria wedding 182 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: gowns door eats sold. They're just or Beverly Beach bathing 183 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: suits that happen back then. It's if Beverly Beach bathing 184 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: suits got bought by Monday Swimwear, what would that look like? 185 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: So what's all that's so interesting is not every that's 186 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: a model that not everybody. So like Shark Tank does 187 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: not implement the Bethany clause, Shark Tank doesn't care if 188 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Leary takes a piece of that business that makes 189 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: ten million dollars, or Mark Cuban or Barbara Corkran. They 190 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: want the show to do well. And it's an interesting 191 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: cultural discussion because they're not looking to nickel and dime 192 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: and take a piece of what everybody does. They want 193 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: a successful show. They're in the business of successful shows. 194 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: And if you want a good culture, you should want 195 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: your people to make money. You should want all boats 196 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: to rise with the tide. You should want everybody to win. 197 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 1: And that's frankly, what Bravo and other network should be 198 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: focused on, Like, they shouldn't really be focused on grabbing 199 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: everything from every person. They should be focused on treating 200 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 1: their talent really well. The reason that Shark Tank has 201 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: done so well and been like a plug and play 202 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: is because they taken care of their people. They have 203 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: a model that works, they have a good culture. They 204 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: make it very easy to shoot the show, to produce 205 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: the show, and everybody does well in a business or 206 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: a television show. It can be even a small business 207 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: or a restaurant. We have a big turnover. You're constantly 208 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: churning and burning and trying not to pay people, not 209 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: to reward people, trying to take some of people's you're 210 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: gonna bump into a lot of turnover, and you're gonna 211 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: bump into a different model. So it's been interesting to 212 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: watch the shifts in the Housewives and that culture. And 213 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: it's funny. I'll tell you this too. You know, my 214 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: publicist is like, stay away from the Housewives. We finally 215 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: rinsed it off. It's not really you and it isn't 216 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: really me. It's been so many years, but I've proven 217 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: myself in so many different ways and It's like, is 218 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian the same person as she was in the 219 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: beginning of her reality show or does her sex tape 220 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: define her? Or does Paris Hilton sex tape tape define her? No? 221 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: Is it part of her journey? Yes? Was Paris Hilton 222 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: on The Simple Life? Yes? Was Kim Kardashian wearing cheesy 223 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: bandage dresses in the beginning on her show? And have 224 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: people sort of forgotten that? Yes? But is it where 225 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: she came from? Yes? So it's like I talk about 226 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: Housewives because I know intimately about it and because it's 227 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: also a flex sometimes that like when I was on it, 228 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: it was over three million viewers and now it's got 229 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand. Like I'm only human, I'm 230 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: going to talk about that. So yeah, So sometimes I 231 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: go back and forth about why do I want to 232 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: have a show about it and like talk about all 233 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: these people and care every day? No? But am I 234 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: allowed to talk about something I was part of? Yeah? 235 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: Because talking about the Bethany clause is talking about business 236 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: and talking about the shift there, and it is also 237 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: fairly shady. You know. It's sometimes I look over there 238 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, are they still talking about the same 239 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: shit all these years later, Like, are they really still 240 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: like in that same spot doing the same shit when 241 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: you know the world has orbited so many times, you know, 242 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. So anyway, I am conflicted and sometimes 243 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. But recently I've been 244 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: talking about it a bit more because it's just there's 245 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: a big transition. So it's like the entertainment industry has 246 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: changed and it's got to be discussed from a business standpoint. 247 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: People like Gary Vee talk about it. A lot of 248 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: people sometimes like Mark Cuban talk about it. But the 249 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: way we're consuming content is definitely changing. It's a different world. 250 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: When I got into The Housewives, there was no Twitter, 251 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: no Instagram, no TikTok. There was Facebook, Okay, there was 252 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: no Twitter. I didn't want to go on. I didn't 253 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: want to tell anybody what I'm doing. Now I talk 254 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: to you about my fucking chicken salad travails all day, 255 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: Like it's insane. The world has changed so much.