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Speaker 1: What's up, Bachelor Happy our listeners, welcome back, And before

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Speaker 1: we get into everything, because we have a lot to cover. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: big things have happened, you know, since the last time

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Speaker 1: but I just want to start off pop off this

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Speaker 1: podcast by saying thank you all so much for the

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Speaker 1: outpour of messages on our last episode. We can't tell

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Speaker 1: you how much your insight means to us. We see you,

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Speaker 1: we hear you, even if we're not responding to you.

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Speaker 1: Last week was a very difficult conversation to have, especially

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Speaker 1: when it's between two friends. You know, like it's one

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Speaker 1: thing if I can, you know, just like tell you

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Speaker 1: about yourself and I don't really know you like that

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Speaker 1: or have a relationship with you, But it's very hard

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Speaker 1: to have honest and open conversations when it's two friends

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Speaker 1: talking to each other. But Becca and I really felt

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Speaker 1: it was important to do because we felt it was

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Speaker 1: necessary in spite of every in light of everything that's

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Speaker 1: going on right now, and we just want to thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for tuning in and for being receptive

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Speaker 1: to what we both had to say. So today we're

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Speaker 1: going to continue that conversation, but we're also going to

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Speaker 1: continue it with a special guest, our good friend, Kaitlyn Bristow. Yes, Rage,

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Speaker 1: So I am really excited to have Kaitlyn come on

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Speaker 1: and to continue this discussion with us, because it can't

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Speaker 1: just be a one and done thing. But before we

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Speaker 1: to take a step back, jump back to last week's

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Speaker 1: podcast for a minute, and like you said, it was

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Speaker 1: a difficult conversation. It was a heavy conversation. It was uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: but because of that, it just shows the importance of it.

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Speaker 1: And so I want to address some things because I

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Speaker 1: feel like I did come up short on it and

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Speaker 1: listening to it back, I felt that I definitely I

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Speaker 1: want to express some things which I have, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's been sitting very heavy with me for this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: And so if you don't mind, Rage, before we do

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Speaker 1: get Kaitlyn on the line, and I want to share

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Speaker 1: like I said, it can't just be a one and

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Speaker 1: start by saying, I need to take a moment to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge a place in which I've done wrong and I

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Speaker 1: realize where I can do much better. If there's one

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Speaker 1: thing I've learned, it's that you can always learn and

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Speaker 1: grow and move on from a place that you might

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Speaker 1: listening to myself back last week on the podcast, I

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Speaker 1: feel like I didn't personally recognize myself, or maybe I

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Speaker 1: don't want to accept and be. It was hard for

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Speaker 1: want to first start by saying, Rachel, I owe you

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Speaker 1: an apology. I would like to first start there. And

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Speaker 1: I fell short last week because this conversation and that

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Speaker 1: conversation truly deserved my complete undivided attention. It deserved much

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Speaker 1: more care and thoughtful thoughtfulness on my end, and you

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Speaker 1: delivered all of that and more, and I did not.

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Speaker 1: I was gutted to listen to it back and not

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Speaker 1: to be able to express a deeper empathy with the

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Speaker 1: struggles that you have lived for. And it's something that

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Speaker 1: you've been fighting for and have been so vocal about

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Speaker 1: within this franchise for years now, for three years, and

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Speaker 1: I hear you when you say that things need to change.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, and you know, playing on top

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Speaker 1: of Matt James now being announced our Bachelor, we still

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Speaker 1: let it not stop there. We need to see not

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Speaker 1: only leads of color, but contestants, people behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: people on the team, as the Bachelor franchise as a whole.

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Speaker 1: And so I feel like when I was trying to

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Speaker 1: and it goes far beyond that. And you have continuously

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Speaker 1: I believe we both went into last week's conversation wanting

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Speaker 1: able to see two women come together of different races,

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Speaker 1: We wanted that conversation to be impactful. We wanted it

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Speaker 1: take a change in our listeners hearts. And so Rachel,

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Speaker 1: I struggled so much last week. Besides the fact that

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Speaker 1: midst of this modern day civil rights movement, I was

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Speaker 1: I don't want this to be an excuse to justify

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Speaker 1: you know I'm a human being. We're all humans, we

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Speaker 1: all have parts of us that fuck up a lot sometimes,

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Speaker 1: and I did that. I don't always know what to say.

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Speaker 1: so I've talked a lot with others this past week,

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Speaker 1: I saw clearly that because of that, I had been

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Speaker 1: You know, sure, I watched the news. I knew enough

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Speaker 1: then why the hell was Matt James the right person?

433
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: Did y'all break the rules for him? Is it because

434
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: he is popular friends? Because that's the only thing that

435
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: I've seen at this point. I'm sure there more to him,

436
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: which is why I say if I were him, I'd

437
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: be upset. They need to show another side of him.

438
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: Who is he? I have a question and playing into

439
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: when you say you know, all we really know of

440
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: him is that he's friends with Hannah and Tyler. Obviously

441
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: Hannah and Tyler just based upon Instagram for instance, have

442
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: a huge, huge following, and let me try to explain

443
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: or ask us the best way. So you know, when

444
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: we discussed last week on you or on the podcast

445
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: about your season, you had mentioned the ratings were low.

446
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: Do you think this is a way for them to

447
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: kind of say, oh, well, he already has a following.

448
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: He already as two influential people with a huge following,

449
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: so maybe this will help boost the ratings in some way.

450
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: Do you think they were coming at it in that regard?

451
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: I think that I think Matt James is an extremely

452
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: safe choice, not because you know who he is, because

453
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: he's already comes in with a following and attached to

454
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: two of the most popular people social media wise, at

455
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: least in the franchise. It's a it's a very safe choice.

456
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: To me. Oh, I had another point about why it

457
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: was a safe choice, but I forgot it. Dare we request?

458
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean, well, we don't know anything about him. Could

459
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: we potentially get him on our podcast to get to

460
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: know him and to ask him how he feels about this?

461
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. Also, I'm gonna tell

462
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: you also why he's a safe choice. When Hannah Brown

463
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: set the inn word and I did a video holding

464
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: her accountable and saying how it feels. I would also

465
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: like to say that Hannah Brown has apologized to me,

466
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: and you know, like there's no there's no ill feelings

467
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: towards her, and she doesn't have any towards me. But

468
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like making a point here. When Hannah Brown

469
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: said the N word and all that happened, and I

470
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: made my video, do you know what her fan said

471
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: to me? Why can't you be more like Matt James.

472
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: Matt James hasn't called Hannah out. James hasn't said anything.

473
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: If Matt James thinks it's okay, why are you speaking out?

474
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: That's a problem that is extremely problematic that they felt

475
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: he was okay with it by his silence. And I'm

476
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: telling you, and I don't know if Matt James is

477
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: going to hear this or not. We are in a

478
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: different time right now, and it is one thing to

479
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 1: be the first black lead and deal with pressures with that,

480
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: you are also going to have pressures for what is

481
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: happening right now in our society. And if you have

482
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: a group of white people who think that you don't

483
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: speak out about things that are done towards black people,

484
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: or you make them feel comfortable because you don't ruffle

485
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 1: any feathers. That's a problem. And the fact that what

486
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: I did, holding her accountable was wrong, but his silence

487
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: made it okay is also another problem. So I lied.

488
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: I actually do know something else about him, because I

489
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: cannot tell you how many people came to me and

490
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: asked me, as one black person, why can't you be

491
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: more like that black person? That's an ablem Yes, and

492
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: I agree. I no one should ever be compared to

493
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: someone else. You know, we all have our points of view,

494
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: we all have our opinions, our ways of handling things,

495
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: But that's not a fair statement or judgment to put

496
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: on someone else to say, well, if he's okay with it,

497
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: why aren't you, Because that's not how life works. That

498
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: should make him upset. And he doesn't know this. So

499
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm not like saying he heard it and it was fine.

500
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you need to understand that people have

501
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: that perception of you, and in our current climate, you're

502
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 1: almost going to be feel the pressure to speak out,

503
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: not be political, because he shouldn't be, and no lead should.

504
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: That's not what this is about. But almost more to

505
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: speak out to represent who you are as a black man,

506
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: which is what I also would have appreciated. What is

507
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: your experience like as a black man? You know, we're

508
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: hearing all these experiences. What is it like for you?

509
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: But I guess what's also just so hard? And I

510
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: said I wasn't gonna say anything, and here I am

511
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: ten minutes later, You're still talking about the shit. So

512
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: obviously I do feel some kind of way. I think.

513
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: What is so disheartening to me though, about the timing

514
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: of this announcement. It's two things. One, it shows me

515
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: how easy it was for you to make this happen

516
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: because you rushed this announcement like you. You could have waited.

517
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: You could have not put him on Clare season. You

518
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: could have put out a statement that said, we hear you,

519
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: we are actually making changes and we're putting things in

520
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the work, and then announced him at a closer time

521
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: to win that season's going to start. You announced right

522
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: now in response to exactly what is happening. There no

523
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: if ants or butts about it. You don't have to

524
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: be a genius to figure that out. What bothers me

525
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: is that it was so easy for you to make

526
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: that announcement. It was quick, it was fast, you put

527
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: it together. Two that what took you to finally make

528
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: that announcement and be rushed to make that announcement is

529
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: that a black man died in the most gruesome public

530
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: way and set the country on fire about the racial

531
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: issues that exist within it. And then your response to

532
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: that is to give us a black bachelor because of

533
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: the tragedy that happened it. I hate that. I hate that,

534
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: I really do. And if you were already working on

535
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: this or whatever, then just wait to announce it. But

536
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: you to announce it. We're watching all these organizations and

537
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: how they're responding to what is happening in our country,

538
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: and we're seeing Confederate flags be ripped down and people

539
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: get canceled from shows and TV shows and all this stuff.

540
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: Your response is, here's your black bachelor. I don't like it,

541
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: and now I'm done. Yeah, and I totally hear you.

542
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: I think something that I've learned a lot and tried

543
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: to reflect on and that I really want to hold

544
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: at the forefront of my mind in anything moving forward

545
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: in life is to be much more thoughtful about everything.

546
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what I'm putting out for

547
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: the world to see in my actions and so playing

548
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: into that. It feels like because it was rushed, there

549
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: wasn't as much thought put behind him, much thought put

550
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: behind like having the world see who he is. And

551
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: so I hear you in that regard. Yeah, yeah, well

552
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: we'll see. There's still time to make some changes. But

553
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: you gotta come quick with it. You gotta come quick

554
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: with it. But if we did have the opportunity to

555
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: have him on, what would you say to that? Oh,

556
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: I more than welcome him to come on the show.

557
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: I got a lot of questions. I have a lot

558
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: of questions. Just because I don't know Matt James doesn't

559
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: mean I haven't heard a lot of stuff about him.

560
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: So I got a lot of questions to ask. Cuff cuff,

561
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: everyone seeing behind the scenes, let's make this happen. Speaking

562
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: of friends, it's friendship. Friend Have you ever if you want,

563
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm a big I love Lucy fan. Put collect things.

564
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, Are you really? Because I think

565
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: I used to have like a media teacher back in

566
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: the day who was obsessed with I love Lusten too.

567
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: I've seen them all. I know a song I was

568
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: singing as a song that Lucy and Ethel sang, but

569
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: then they end up wearing the same dress and they

570
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: just like rip it apart on stage. That's not us, Becca,

571
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: We're just singing the song Friendship, Friendship. But I'm using

572
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: that as an introduction for another person who's our friend,

573
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: our sister, who I want to bring in. Because if

574
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: you've been keeping up with Bachelor Nation and you know

575
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: the recap of Caitlin season it just aired last night

576
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: on ABC. We both love Caitlin. We have a relationship

577
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: with her outside of this show, outside of Bachelorettes, and

578
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: she's just an overall lovely person. And watching her season

579
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: last night, I know one thing that really drew me

580
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: in is her honesty, her openness when it just came

581
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: to talking about being a woman in her sexuality, and honestly,

582
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: up until her season, it was something that we really

583
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: didn't see on The Bachelor. It was a little taboo

584
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: to talk about. So I've always respected her for just

585
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: who she is and being unapologetically herself. She's one of

586
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: those people who's always willing to push the boundaries. A

587
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: girl after my own heart. She talks about the subjects

588
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: that just aren't the easiest to talk about, but it

589
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: is who she is, and let's be honest, she's a trailblazer,

590
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: Like she paved the way for us to talk about

591
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: a windmill and sex, and for the Bachelor franchise to

592
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: recreate the windmill that was sexualized for people to go

593
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: and have an open tour it. I mean, who would

594
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: have known that would have happened after Caitlyn's season. So

595
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: with that said, I'm just really excited to have her

596
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: on and here not only what she has to say

597
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: about her experience as a bachelrette, but just also her

598
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: take on everything that's going on right now in the

599
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: world and what she's learned from it. All right, everyone,

600
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: Well we have Caitlin with us, and Caitlin, we're so

601
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: excited to have you today to catch up on everything. Obviously,

602
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: we've rewatched your season, and before we get into it,

603
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: I just want to say this. You know, watching your

604
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: season a few years ago, it was obviously so entertyn

605
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: you just owned who you are. But one thing that

606
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: I've wanted since then is like a compilation of your laugh.

607
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: Has anyone ever told you that before? Like my laugh

608
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: it's so outrageous, but it's so funny. It's like, you

609
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: know how they do the bloopers at the end of

610
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: every season. Like, I just want a compilation of Caitlin's

611
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: cackles for like three minutes three minutes a minute a

612
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: fan if I can pop laughing and like send it

613
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: to you in a voice note and you can use

614
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: it as your alarm clock and then you can just

615
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: wake up laughing every day. Just about it, Ben, please

616
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: do Oh my god, I would share it with the world. Actually,

617
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm not the only one who

618
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: would want that. A guy to laugh is part of

619
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: someone's charm. I really feel I feel that. Yeah, that's

620
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: a big compliment. Okay, you got it. You got it, Caitlin.

621
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: I'm like a very heavy man when I laugh. But

622
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: that's okay. It's from It's from a right from the belly,

623
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: and I mean it. You feel it exactly, and I

624
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: think we feel it too, as as the listeners who

625
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: hear it. But one thing that well, first, I want

626
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: to start out, I just need to ask how you're doing.

627
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: How is it watching everything back? You've been doing so

628
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: much in these past five years, I mean your world

629
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: has changed like crazy, so overall, how have you been doing.

630
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: I mean, overall, like no complaints. The watching back has

631
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: been a little bit of a rollercoaster because I have

632
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: this mindset of being so grateful, and when I first

633
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: came off the show, I was just in a weird

634
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: funk of being like depressed, happy in love, going through

635
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: hard times Matt at the franchise, but so grateful for

636
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: the opportunity that I was just like a mess. Now

637
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: five years later, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm so

638
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: lucky to have had that. I love everybody there. I'm

639
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: just like in a different place in life because so

640
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: much has happened that watching back is like bittersweet. It's

641
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: obviously hard because I'm reliving relationship chips and things that

642
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: I went through during the show that we're really heavy,

643
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: and then reliving something of a relationship where I got

644
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: engaged at the end of it and it didn't work

645
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: out is always like a weird thing to relive. So

646
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to stay positive and again grateful for everything,

647
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't be where I am now without it.

648
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: Than you got It was only three hours, so you

649
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you know, like you thank goodness,

650
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: it's just you don't have to relive everything. It's like, oh,

651
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: it's just a three hour season. Yeah, but the stuff

652
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: that I don't want to relive is three So I

653
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: was gonna ask, did you feel like you had to

654
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: fast forward through some of those parts or like turn

655
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: it off or be like Jason, like let's go in

656
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: the kitchen for a hot second. Yeah, there are times

657
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: I had to step away and come back because there's

658
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: so many fun moments too, and there's so many memories,

659
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: and then there's so many heavy emotional memories that just

660
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: puts me right back into that moment. And yeah, a

661
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: few a few breaks. I have to ask, maybe you've

662
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: talked about this before, but did has Jason ever seen

663
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: your full season? No? He hasn't. His mom has, which

664
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: I don't know which one is worth. She still loves

665
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: you though, she does, and she's so so she's actually

666
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: been so cute and supportive during this, being like, you know,

667
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: it is what it is and it happened, it was

668
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: so long ago and you're here now and all these

669
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: days that she's so sweet. But no, he's never watched.

670
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: And he's funny because he goes back and forth because he's,

671
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: you know, such a confident person as you know, and

672
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: so happy, go lucky. And at the same time, it's like,

673
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: who in the right mind would want to watch, you know,

674
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: their girlfriend make out with a bunch of different dudes

675
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: and you know, be intimate. That's not something. But he's

676
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 1: also like, you know, this is great and it's gonna

677
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: be good for you, and you know this is it's

678
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: just reliving and we wouldn't have what we have now

679
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: without it. So he's mister positive and that helps. Yeah,

680
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: do you ever have the conversation of what it would

681
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: have been like if he was on your season? Yeah,

682
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: I've thought about that and talked to me about that,

683
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: because you know how you go through different phases in

684
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: life where you kind of accept the love you think

685
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: you deserve and you grow and evolve, and that's why

686
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: some people go through different relationships and I've learned from

687
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: each one. I don't know if I would have been

688
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: in the position to accept the kind of love that

689
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: he gives at that point in my life and at

690
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: the and this is nothing against Sehn, but we were

691
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: both kind of insecure and had some demons that we

692
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: both were working through, and it was exactly you know

693
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: what I needed at that time and now from the

694
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: three and a half year engagement and you know, therapy

695
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: and life, I've just involved so much and that now

696
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I was in a place when John and I broke up,

697
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I know what I deserve and I

698
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm looking for, and I know that it's

699
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: like that kind of love that you see on TV,

700
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: almost like where you're like, I can't believe he treats

701
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: me this way. I knew I deserved that. And then

702
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: that's when he magically appeared on my podcast, Thank you, Beckay.

703
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: I will always you know, O God about that. I

704
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: really didn't put that together until now. Wow. And I

705
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: will say, I mean, obviously I do not know Jason

706
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: as well as you, but from the time I did

707
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: spend with him on my season, like, he just is

708
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: so full of life and you are too, and so

709
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: for two people who are so evenly matched to find

710
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: each other, I mean, it sounds so cliche. I hate

711
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: saying this every time I do, but I truly think

712
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: that everything happens for a reason, when it happens for

713
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: a reason, when it's supposed to. And so I mean,

714
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: you guys are like a match made in heaven. If

715
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 1: I see if I watch anything back from you guys

716
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: on social media. It's a good fit. It is a

717
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: good thank you. Yeah, I agree with you. One of

718
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: the things I want to ask you about is I

719
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: didn't watch your season prior to this. And you know this,

720
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: this is no secret, but you know, as you get

721
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: a part of the journey, whether it's through the Bachelor

722
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: or as the lead, you start to learn so much

723
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: about different seasons and about different people within the franchise.

724
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, in your downtime you're talking to

725
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: producers about certain people, and You're somebody that would always

726
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: come up. And what I would always hear is how

727
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: producers and just other people talking about you, like the

728
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: other girls who have seen the show, would commend you

729
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: about the way you handled your season and how you

730
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: openly would address sexuality and just being a strong woman

731
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: and embracing that. Why when you were going through your season,

732
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: or maybe you just didn't realize it. It's just who

733
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: you are or who you are, But why did you

734
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: feel it was so important for you to talk about that. Yeah,

735
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: it's so funny to me because I think back on

736
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: that time and during it, I remember being confused. Why

737
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: it was such a big deal. Why it was like

738
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: so frowned upon or like celebrated by different people, but

739
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: mostly frowned upon in that time. I was so confused because,

740
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, you you surround yourself with people that love

741
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: you your whole life and who encourage you, and just

742
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: as long as you're like, you know, happy, doing the

743
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: right thing, they support you no matter what. That's who

744
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: you choose to surround yourself with. You would never choose

745
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: to surround yourself with people that don't agree with you,

746
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: don't don't like you, you know. And then you go

747
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: on a national television show and you're opening up your

748
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: world to so many people who can either love or

749
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: hate you, and you're so used to the support system

750
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: your whole life. Then overnight you've got you know whoever

751
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: I think they're calling them parens in you know, saying

752
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: yes they are, yeah, Karen saying like how dare you?

753
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: You are a terrible role model for my daughter and

754
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, And I was like, whoa, what this

755
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: is who I am in a relationship? To me? If

756
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm picking a husband, you damn right, I'm going to

757
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: have sex with them, like especially if it gets to

758
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: that point where I'm like, I've met your family, you know,

759
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: and it didn't make sense to me why you would

760
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: be a friend, why it would be friend upon it

761
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: either way if you're a virgin, I didn't understand if

762
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: people would, you know, criticize you for that if you're

763
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: having sex. And oh no, it was before the fantasy suite,

764
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: because that's where we draw the line. Apparently, It's like

765
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: these people have so many opinions, and it just confused

766
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: me because I wasn't used to feeling shame around my

767
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: decisions in a relationship, so it did confuse me. And

768
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: then I just saw the amount of women that came

769
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: forward saying thank you, and that meant more to me

770
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: than you know, these people who didn't understand me. So

771
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: I just was like, Wow, I see the power in

772
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: my voice and using it and standing up for who

773
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: I am. And that's somebody that I've always tried to

774
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: be is just authentic. And I just knew I would

775
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: lose myself if I tried to people please and it's

776
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: just not who I am. So I just I had

777
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: to have the mindset that, like people are gonna hate me,

778
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: buy food to myself longevity success will come, whether that's relationships,

779
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: brand deals, different opportunities like no matter what it is,

780
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: if you're if you're just who you are, you'll have

781
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: better success in life and they're common for you. You're

782
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: getting no it paid off. Yeah, I'm feeling good, which

783
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: I know Rachel, what you're hinting that. I want to

784
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: get into that. But before that, because you talk about

785
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, owning who you are, standing your ground, you know,

786
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: doing what you know in your heart is right for you.

787
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: And so with that, you know, of course it's all

788
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: about honesty. And in this same age when we're seeing

789
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: so many things take place in our world and so

790
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: much divide and you know, playing into the whole topic

791
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: of sexuality and knowing who you are and standing up

792
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: for that, there's harder topics that need to be talked

793
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: about that we're seeing. You know, you've talked about everything

794
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: going on with this modern day civil rights movement on

795
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: your podcasts and Instagram, and so we want to know

796
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: from you and your take, what has it like been

797
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: having these uncomfortable conversations I'm sure you know, in private

798
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: with your family, with your friends, with the world on

799
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: Instagram and your podcast what has that been like for

800
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: you personally, well again, and I will give my family

801
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: credit for this too, is that I've always been able

802
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: to talk to them about anything, and we have had

803
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: conversations about race growing up, and I have just been

804
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I will not take anything away from this.

805
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm able to step back and educate myself

806
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: and learn and listen and take a few days. And

807
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: that's how I know I'm privileged because I can do that.

808
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: It's not something I've had to think about every day,

809
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: but it's something that I have been I think aware

810
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: of my whole life. It's just that's not enough, right,

811
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: That's not enough to just be aware. And so it

812
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: was really hard for myself to zoom out and look

813
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: in and say I've been part of the problem, because

814
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to even say that out loud,

815
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: because I don't want I would never think of myself

816
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: as part of the problem. But of course I am.

817
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: We all have been, and it's just we as white people,

818
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: have not been conditioned to talk about race, especially not

819
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: this much. And I think for my for me personally,

820
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: I am loving these conversations. I'm loving learning, I'm loving

821
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: listening to Your Guys podcast that you talked about it.

822
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm feeling privileged to learn and I know

823
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: it's too late, but is it ever too late. I'm

824
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: just I'm just grateful for the conversations that we're having,

825
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: even if they are uncomfortable, Like even right now, it's

826
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: like you don't want to say the wrong thing and

827
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: you don't want to like come across a certain way,

828
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: But that's okay if you do. You know, I'm not

829
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: a bad person. I just I just want to be

830
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: open to having any kind of conversation, especially having a

831
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: voice in a platform that I do that's important to me.

832
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: I've been so behind women's rights, I've been so such

833
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: an advocate for women empowerment, and I've seen so much

834
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: growth on that side of things that I'm like, great,

835
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: I can now use my platform for this as well.

836
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: And again, I just feel very grateful to have a voice.

837
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: And I have been doing a lot of educating myself

838
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: because I do believe I have been part of the problem.

839
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: You know, Beckham Martinez said that it's the only thing

840
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: if you're because you brought up a point about, you know,

841
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: people being scared to say something, and I do understand.

842
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: I understand and the thought of, you know, somebody, some

843
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: people will jump down your throat for saying the wrong thing,

844
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: and there are other people who are a little bit

845
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: more patient. Mega Martina said, if the only thing that

846
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: you have to worry about is what people are going

847
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: to think based on what you say, that is privilege.

848
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: And I thought that that was so powerful when she

849
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: said it, because it's so true, like that's all you

850
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: have to worry about is saying the wrong thing as

851
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: opposed to living it. What I you also brought up

852
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: like really really good points because one thing I noticed,

853
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: and I think that this is just human nature. You're

854
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: affected by the things that directly affect you, right Like

855
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: I am black, so I am affected heavily by what's happened,

856
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: what's been happening in our country, and what's currently happening.

857
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: But I might not be as outspoken on immigration issues

858
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: because that doesn't directly impact me. And I think it's

859
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that I don't care about it, that

860
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: I don't believe in fighting, you know, for those rights,

861
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: it's just it doesn't I don't see it every day.

862
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: I don't feel it or experience it every day. So

863
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: when we talk about your season, and we talk about

864
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: what you were passionate about fighting for being a woman

865
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: in your sexuality, that is because you were directly affected

866
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: by it. And then you spoke out just now about

867
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: how you feel about Black Lives Matter and these conversations

868
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: we're having about race. But one key thing in what

869
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: you were saying is we're having these conversations and we're

870
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: educating ourselves and we're learning. How important vote is it

871
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: to take action? Because awareness and learning is the first step.

872
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: But then you know, it's trendy right now, and at

873
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: some point it's it already is it's dissipating a little bit,

874
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: So what can How important is it for you to

875
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: act on the things that you're learning? Yeah, it's it's

876
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: action and having impact, right, So I totally understand what

877
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: you're saying with like it being this trend on social media.

878
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: That's what something I said to Taylor Nolan is I'm like,

879
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: that's what I don't want it to be. Right. It's

880
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: great that that's, you know, in the forefront of everybody's

881
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: mind right now and we're being aware, but that can't

882
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: we can't go back now work here, and it's only

883
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: it's a it's it's a shift in everybody that you

884
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: have to put into action. And I've had you know,

885
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: conversations with the DO team and Spade and Sparrow's about,

886
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, making the team more diverse, the models, the

887
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: black models. Yes, absolutely, And you know you said because

888
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: because it is impacting you right now, and we speak

889
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: out on things that impact us. And I know there

890
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: are you know, people that could say, well, we've never

891
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: seen an Asian lead and that too, and so I

892
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that it's you know, it's impacting you

893
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: and you're speaking out on it, and we all should

894
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: speak out on things that we're passionate about, especially that

895
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: directly impact us. But saying like I have, I have

896
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: diversity in my teams and in my models, but I am,

897
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, now taking that next step to kind of

898
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: like how they just announced the first black back. People

899
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: will you know, say well why now? Why not now?

900
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: And And that's you know what we're doing moving forward

901
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: with all of my teams and having more diversity on

902
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: the podcast, and you know, moving forward, it's just something

903
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: that we're really going to focus on because I don't

904
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: want to go backwards. I'm like, you know, I want

905
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: foot foot on the gas, like let's go this is

906
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 1: this is um. It's been a movement right for how long?

907
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: But now it's like, we can't go backwards? Yeah, I

908
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: think I think what's key is what you and what

909
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: you said is is that you're not just trying to

910
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: put a black model or a person of color. It's

911
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: about making internal changes. And I think that that's key

912
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: for everybody to realize it's not just about doing something

913
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: that's a symbol of it. It's about taking a look

914
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: within and fixing what the problem is so that on

915
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: the outside then it exudes from within and your your

916
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: changes are shown and they're genuine. Yes, And I like

917
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: how you said you we can't go back and let's

918
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: be honest, like seeing everything take place in our country.

919
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: I hope that. I mean, I'm alongside you, Caitlin where

920
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 1: I am digging deeper and trying to educate myself more

921
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: and grow from that and you know, take action and

922
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: hopefully have a positive impact. And it's like Rich, I

923
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: think you said this on the podcast. You either said

924
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: it on the podcast or when we were talking. It's

925
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: like when you know, you know, and you can grow

926
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: from there and do better, and you don't want to

927
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: go back. You don't want to go back to the

928
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: way if things were easier for you or more simple

929
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: for you because you didn't have to have as much

930
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: of a voice and as much of a say. And

931
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: for me internally, it's like, once I feel like I

932
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: am learning more and seeing more and educating myself and

933
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: kind of my brain is trying to soak up everything

934
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: that's been taking place in our country at such a

935
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: deep level, it's like that wasn't good, Like for me

936
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: now that I know, it's like, why would I ever

937
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: want to go back to that? And so I think

938
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: it's good to hear from you two to get that

939
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: point of view, and I hope our listeners too, you know,

940
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: hopefully we're all learning and growing. Hopefully. It's not okay

941
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: for anyone to sit back and say, oh, you know,

942
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: like like this is trendy, it's going to go away.

943
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: But once you see something you can move forward and

944
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: have that action and have that impact. Whether the world

945
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: is going to see it or not, you still have

946
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: to move forward internally and know that you're doing hopefully

947
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: the right thing. Yeah, it's just something that has to

948
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: be consistent now till the end of time. That's just

949
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: it's just what it has to be. And I hope

950
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: listeners hold me accountable and I hope we all have

951
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: the conversations that continue to make us grow. And I

952
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: just like I think about, you know, how many people

953
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: fall us and listen, and we are we are lucky

954
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: to have a voice and to be a part of

955
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: a change, you know, And it's just it's unfortunate that

956
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: it has taken this long. And again I will say

957
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: that I have been part of the problem just by

958
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: not knowing all this before, you know, not doing the

959
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: search in the education before, you know, like Rachel, I

960
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: was listening to you talk about you know, that's great,

961
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: that's a step that but like again, we need to

962
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: see that continue. This can't just be you know, grand

963
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: gesture in the time. It has to be yes, okay, great,

964
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: move forward now, and like you said, find people that

965
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: have had that relationship before, not just girls that are

966
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: experiencing a relationship for the first time on national television.

967
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: In that way, you know, like it's find the right people.

968
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: And like you said, it's tough. It is a business,

969
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: but this is where things have to change and it

970
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: can be a very big impact with having the Bachelor

971
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: be a part of this movement, and I think as

972
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: long as it is and it isn't just you know,

973
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: look we did it, then that's they can be part

974
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: of the change. Yeah. Yeah, And I think going into

975
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure we've all seen on Instagram to

976
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: petition that was started to have more diversity, to have

977
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: a lead of color, but it playing into that, it

978
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: goes beyond that. Now it's have more contestants who are yeah,

979
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: the people behind the camera and even I'm thinking there's

980
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: so many offshoots to what the Bachelor and Bachelor is.

981
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: Obviously you have the offshoots with Bachelor in Paradise and

982
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past Winter Games and now listen

983
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: to your Heart. But I'm thinking, like, what's part of

984
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: my life, which is the Bachelor live on Stage two?

985
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: And when we did that for the short amount of

986
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,479
Speaker 1: time that it ran this year, for the most part

987
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: it the majority was people who looked like me and you,

988
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: Caitlin it and so even within that, it's like, how

989
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: in all these facets of Bachelor Nation, in the Bachelor franchise,

990
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: where can this now trickle down to and be a

991
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: lasting just keep it lasting. Don't don't just say Okay,

992
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Matt James the next Bachelor and then

993
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: after that season kind of go back to the way

994
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: things were, like how they were after your season, Rachel.

995
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: It's you have to keep the momentum going and keep

996
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: it at a consistent level. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, No, I

997
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 1: mean we shall see. I got my opinions on that,

998
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: like and how you say it's moving forward and like

999
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: how it will continue to be important to me. I

1000
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: really listen to what you said about who are you

1001
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: aligned with? Right, like who are you affiliated with? Who

1002
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: are you aligned with? And that's something that I sat

1003
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: back and said, that's someday and I need to look

1004
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: at and think about moving forward to. And I really

1005
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: liked that. No, well, thank you. I mean it's I

1006
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: and I did it. That's why I decided to. I've

1007
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: been speaking out, but speak out in a deeper way

1008
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: because of what I'm connected to. And we all should

1009
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: do that, no matter what the color of your skin is.

1010
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: I think it's just a life lesson. And it started

1011
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: with the pandemic and quarantine. I mean we were all

1012
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: like what matters in life? And then now you have

1013
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter movement and you're like, okay, even more.

1014
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: I mean, twenty twenty is one. I can't wait to

1015
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: see how they write about this in history. Right now.

1016
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: I keep forgetting that there's still COVID nineteen in the world.

1017
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: There's still in June. We are halfway through this year,

1018
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: you guys, and we touched on in The Black Bachelor.

1019
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: But and that is, in my opinion, a reaction to

1020
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: what is happening in society, and there's a lot of

1021
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: that going around. We're seeing a lot of reactions to

1022
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 1: what has happened this societal pressure from the Black Lives

1023
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: Matter movement where you're either on the wrong side or

1024
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: the right side. And similar to the Me Too movement

1025
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: and how things were sweeping across the industry. I hate

1026
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: cancel culture, but I'm going to go ahead and use

1027
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: that phrase because we are seeing a lot of things

1028
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: get canceled in light of this current movement. Like we

1029
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: did with Me Too, if you had any type of

1030
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: history related to sexual harassment, sexual misconduct, sexual assault, you

1031
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: were canceled. That's what's happening right now with racism. And

1032
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: it isn't just black people, it's just people of color.

1033
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: Like people are getting losing their job. Shows aren't streaming,

1034
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: movies aren't streaming my favorite show, one of my favorite shows,

1035
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: And I'm using past tense now at the is Vander

1036
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: pump Roles. I don't know if we all watch the show,

1037
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: but we in light of what has happened, we have

1038
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: seen four people get fired, four cast members, two of

1039
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: which have been there from the beginning. We're talking eight

1040
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: seasons in I think it's eight seasons got fired from

1041
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: the show based on a despicable act against another cast

1042
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: member who was a black female. How do you feel

1043
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: about everything that's going on as far as the cancel

1044
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: culture in response to racism in America? Do you feel

1045
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 1: like it's a bit much? Do you believe in it?

1046
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: Do you? Or do you think that there's some other

1047
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: solution that can be done. Well, it's hard because it's

1048
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: hard to say one I agree with you on the

1049
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: cancel thing. I hate saying that too. You have to

1050
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: accept it's a thing. I can't say I disagree with

1051
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: it because when I see, like when when these things

1052
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: come to light, I'm like, yeah, like get rid of

1053
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: them and teach them a lesson. But I also think

1054
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: of like you know, when somebody said something ten years ago,

1055
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, shame on them, of course, and like, yes,

1056
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: they should get fired from certain jobs. And but there's

1057
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: you grow so much as a person and you can,

1058
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, make so such a change moving forward and

1059
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: from learning a hard lesson that it's hard to look

1060
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: back on people who make mistakes so many years ago.

1061
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time I agree with it. Like

1062
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, when I when I read that

1063
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: vander Pump stuff, I was like disguised. I was like, yeah,

1064
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: like get out of here. And you know, I've unfollowed

1065
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people on Instagram due to certain situations

1066
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: like where things come to light, and I'm like, I

1067
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be aligned with that. Oh I get it,

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00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: But I also am like, man, I've said some dumb

1069
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: stuff ten years ago and grown so much as a

1070
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: person that I mean not anything that I should be

1071
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: worried about like that, but you know, like I just

1072
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: hope they are able to grow from it and like

1073
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: move forward without do you know what I'm trying to say? Yeah, no,

1074
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: I think no. And I For example, there were two

1075
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: cast members that were involved in like a despicable act

1076
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: against a person of color, and then there were two

1077
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: other cast members they got fired for as tweets that

1078
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: some were seven years ago. I think that's what you're

1079
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: saying in regards to that. It's like, okay, you set

1080
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: you how old were you seven years ago? Not that

1081
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: it's okay, but it might have been a dumb teenage

1082
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: mistake that was made, as opposed to the Saci and

1083
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: Kristen thing, where you purposely knew what you were doing,

1084
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: you bragged about it in a public way. And there's

1085
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: such a contentious relationship between black people people and the police.

1086
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: It's just the fact that you call it to cops

1087
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: on your black cast member. It's just it's so disgusting.

1088
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: So I think that there are levels to it. I

1089
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, but I agree with you and this.

1090
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think that you should just cancel everybody,

1091
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: but there has to be if there's good reason for it,

1092
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: let it go, move it. Let's not perpetuate this thinking

1093
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: moving forward into twenty twenty. Let's cancel it. Yes, because

1094
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: no one said this and I will never forget. She said,

1095
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: it's not rocket science, like to align yourself with the

1096
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: right people to not be racist. To go forward. You know,

1097
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: it's not rocket science, right exactly, It's it's just not

1098
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: that's why. It's like, it's just about being a good,

1099
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: a decent human right. And that's why I heard someone

1100
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: say this it's a heart issue. It's it's you wanting

1101
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: and wanting to be willing to be on the right

1102
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: side of this. It's really that simple, you know. It

1103
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: really is one thing since we're talking about this, because

1104
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: I have a question too, because I want to hear

1105
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: your points of view. And this has nothing to do

1106
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: with reality TV. But I was listening to a podcast

1107
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: last night and I think it was with best Buy.

1108
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: But best Buy was going through and now firing some

1109
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: of their employees for like tweets and posts that their

1110
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: family members had posted out that and I don't know

1111
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: what they included. I'm you know, I'm assuming they had

1112
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: parts of racist comments. I don't know enough about it.

1113
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: But I'm listening to this podcast and it's it was

1114
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: very divided. Someone's like, well, you shouldn't be held accountable

1115
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: for what your family is doing, but also playing into

1116
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, you still are aligned with these people in

1117
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: some way, and yes, at times we can't always pick

1118
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: our family but what are your thoughts on that? Cool?

1119
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: I think it depends who the family member is. Yeah,

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: it would depend on who that was. If that was

1121
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: my mom, I feel like, first of all, I'll never happened,

1122
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: but hypothetical if she was, I just don't think i'd

1123
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: have a good relationship with my mom anyways if she

1124
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: was tweeting these kinds of things. So, I don't know.

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01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: That's so hard to answer. Yeah, like it depends. That's why.

1126
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not responsible for something, you know, to

1127
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: be fired from your job. I just that's really hard

1128
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: for me. Imagine they had to have liked it, retweeted itself.

1129
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: That's insane for me to think that my cousin, my

1130
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: brother's sister tweets something racist and I get fired from

1131
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: my job. I mean, that's that's crazy. Like that's a lawsuit,

1132
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I don't understand how that

1133
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: can be the basis of of firing. But yeah, they

1134
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: had to have done something more. I think the closest

1135
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: way that it happens is if it's I don't know, No,

1136
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't agree with that. You can't

1137
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: control what somebody else. Yeah, well, well I take that back.

1138
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: It depends what type of job you have. If you're

1139
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: working at best Buy where you're not a pub figure

1140
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: and you're not you don't have that type of platform

1141
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: and nobody really knows. It's different. But if it was

1142
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: your mom, like you said for an example, you're an

1143
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: extension of that. So unless you publicly call your mother

1144
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: out and denounce yourself from that type of thinking, then

1145
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: because you are on a public platform, people will hold

1146
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: you to another standard. It's just what comes with the

1147
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: territory of being known. So I think, yeah, it's just

1148
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: it's just you just have to denounce yourself from that

1149
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 1: type of thinking and then I think people can accept it. Oh,

1150
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: Like I had to unfollow a few people who were

1151
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: standing up for the all Lives Matter thing, and I'm like,

1152
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: how stupid do you have to be to not understand

1153
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,439
Speaker 1: the phrase black lives matter? How can you argue that?

1154
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and I forget what comedians and he goes,

1155
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: we're just asking to matter? Yeah, how if statement we

1156
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: just want to matter like that? You know, Like it's

1157
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: it's like saying, you know, you're you sadly have to

1158
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: stand up at your child's funeral and something tragic has

1159
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: happened and your child has died, and somebody come up

1160
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: and grab the mic and go, actually, all children matter.

1161
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: Like it's just how do you not get that? I've

1162
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: heard that same point of view. I think it was

1163
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: yesterday on the same podcast, and like to put it

1164
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: in the easiest, most childlike terms With that example, I'm like,

1165
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: that is the same thing. Like you're at a funeral.

1166
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 1: Somebody else barges and said, oh, but you know, my

1167
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: family member died too. It's like, Okay, we get that,

1168
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: and we'll grieve at the right time, but right now

1169
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: you need to focus on this one. Not right now, Karen,

1170
01:04:56,080 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: Not right now. That's basically what you're saying. Oh, Becca,

1171
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: I'll let you because I know what anyone to say. Yeah.

1172
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm so happy that we've had you

1173
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: on Caitlin to talk about this and kind of what

1174
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: we were trying to get at last week between the

1175
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: conversation with Rachel and I and just it's always good

1176
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: to have more people to see all different sides and

1177
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: so even to be able to ask different questions like

1178
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: playing off of best Buy. I love hearing your sides

1179
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: of things, So thank you plane into the changes that

1180
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: we want to see within the Bachelor franchise, and you

1181
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: know steps are being made. But watching your season back,

1182
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: is that Roman or Pino, Hi, buddy, it's just air,

1183
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: but he gets scared even at the red can because oh,

1184
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: just bring him in here. But you know, obviously steps

1185
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: were made in your season. Conversations were being had from

1186
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: your season regarding sexuality and we're seeing this take place now.

1187
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: So watching your season and moving forward, what do you

1188
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: hope to see within the Bachelor franchise? Well, okay, here's

1189
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: what's you know, we've seen the show evolve with the times. Okay,

1190
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: five years ago when I had sex on The Bachelor, Bet,

1191
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: it was so like, oh my gosh, I can't we

1192
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: can't believe she did that. Bus yes, and like now

1193
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: we're celebrating it four times in a windmill. Yeah. Yeah,

1194
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: So it's you know, that's the show is evolving, and

1195
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: I just hope to see that with everything. You know,

1196
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: like it it's hard like I even think about, um,

1197
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: like two bachelorettes to me, pitting two women together from

1198
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: a man to pick who they want. Everyone knows that

1199
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: really bothered me. Um. Now I can look back at

1200
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: it differently, but at the time, you know, and I

1201
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: think the show is able to you know, read the audience,

1202
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: and I think the audience is gonna, you know, want

1203
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: this now too. I hope, and I just hope that

1204
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: the show can keep growing away. It has over the

1205
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: last well, I mean, however many seasons, but over the

1206
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: last five seasons, I've seen it evolved with the times,

1207
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,959
Speaker 1: you know, we had Demi and her girlfriend, We've had

1208
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: sex being celebrated. So hopefully we can now have you know,

1209
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: more people of color in the lead and behind the

1210
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: scenes and everything. They can grow in that way too. Yeah,

1211
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: speaking of celebrations, when you finished your season, you were

1212
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: quite vocal about we share this in common, vocal about

1213
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: certain things with the franchise and how you felt like

1214
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: you had been wronged in certain ways. And so here

1215
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: we are five years later, and it seems like, I

1216
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: don't know, people are getting their ship together and are

1217
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: trying to right wrongs. Okay, yeah, I'm so excited to

1218
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: announce that I am going to be on the season's

1219
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: Dancing with the stuff. Yeah, Oh my gosh, it feels

1220
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: so surreal to say that, just because it has been

1221
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: such a full circle moment and like I just I

1222
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: still can't when I say it out loud, I'm like,

1223
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: now something's gonna happen. I'm not gonna be on it

1224
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: like something's gonna go wrong. But yeah, that's I'm just

1225
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: so so honored. I was just gonna say. I mean,

1226
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: I think I don't want to speak for anyone else,

1227
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: but I think I'm hoping I can speak for all

1228
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: of the bad shrets that we are behind you. We're

1229
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: so excited to see you. I think the first time

1230
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: I ever met you in person, when I did your podcast,

1231
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: we went out to dinner, and that was something we

1232
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: had talked about. Is that that is what you have

1233
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: been wanting to do. That was a goal in the

1234
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 1: dream of yours for so long, and I truly think

1235
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: like it is going to one of the most deserving

1236
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: people ever to be on that show. So I support you.

1237
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to watch every night. I'm going to

1238
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,759
Speaker 1: be making posters at home if I'm not there in person.

1239
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: But congratulations, from the bottom of my heart, I cannot wait.

1240
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you. Seriously, congratulations. I have to ask,

1241
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: I have to want to When I found out that

1242
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: you got this, I wanted to know what was your reaction.

1243
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: It does come out of the blue. When you found out,

1244
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: what was your reaction? It is twenty so you probably

1245
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: were like, okay. I was like sick joke, Okay, Um,

1246
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: well no, because they told me on the end of

1247
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: this of the episode, so Harrison told me, you know,

1248
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing my interview with Jason and no, I'm thinking

1249
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: about your reaction. How great it was. I honestly was.

1250
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm in there with Jason and Chris Harrison's like I've

1251
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: got something, like I'm one hundred percent serious, and that

1252
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars didn't even enter my brain. I

1253
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he's going to ask me to take

1254
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: over his job and he's retiring, Like what other thing

1255
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: could it be? Like, I just couldn't think of anything.

1256
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: I was. I thought either Jason was proposing or Chris

1257
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: Harrison was retiring and I was going to audition to

1258
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: take his place. I was like so shocked and like emotions,

1259
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: and I was like I didn't want to be like

1260
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: too crazy about it, so I was like stay cool,

1261
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: Caitlin like stay cool, and then I couldn't stay cool

1262
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: and I cried and like I think I told Chris

1263
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: Harris and I loved him like ten times. It was

1264
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: a little embarrassing, but that's just how in shock I was. Well,

1265
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: we are excited for you, And what I want to

1266
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: recognize is that there's a lot going on in the world.

1267
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 1: You know, we're in the middle of a race war,

1268
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: we're in a pandemic. But I think that what's so

1269
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: important to remember is that there are still great things happening,

1270
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: and it's okay for you to be happy and excited

1271
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: about this. This is five years in the making and

1272
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: we should celebrate great things that are still happening for us.

1273
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't take away from anything that's happening in the world.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so excited for you, and I know Becca

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: already shared that she is too. And what it also

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01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: gives me hope for is that you can speak out,

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01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: you can call out certain things, and it might take

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01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: five years, but you eventually get what you want. So

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01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: you're given me hope that. So I'm three years in

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01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: this franchise, in two years, it's gonna come back around,

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01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: like I'm not dancing with the stars. But just the

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01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: things that I've been saying are deserved and that I want.

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01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: It gives me hope to know that things are gonna

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01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: get gonna happen in this franchise. Yes, I think that's

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01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: a good way to look at it too. Yeah. Absolutely,

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01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: it's it's you fight for what you believe in and

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: what you want and what means something to you, and

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: no matter what, good things always come from that. You know,

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: if you're a good person with good intentions and you

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01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: fight for what's right, good things will come. Well said, Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to end this on a high note, a

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01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: fun note, because obviously, Caitlin, pretty soon you're gonna have

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01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: to be sharing with the world all of your moves.

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01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: So have you been prepping, have you been stretching, have

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01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: you been busting out the ballet or the tab shoes?

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01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: What have you been doing that? Funny? My mom is like,

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01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: I think, just as excited as I am. She was

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01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: a professional ballerina growing up, and she has been sending

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01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: me YouTube videos on ballroom dancing, and I was like, Mom,

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01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go into it, like I'm

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01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,799
Speaker 1: already a little bit like I'm lucky that I danced

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01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: my whole life. I was like, I've never done ballroom dancing.

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01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: I've never even tried, and I kind of want to

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01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: go in blind and learn. So I will tell you though,

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01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 1: I have been doing some personal training and I can't

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: even walk right now because I've been doing so many squats.

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01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to feel strong going into it and

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: get in my best shape so I can feel good

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: going into it. Good for you, so happy. Thank you

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01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: guys so much. You're so supportive and sweet. I love

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01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: you guys, and thank you for just being open and

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01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 1: honest and just like letting us have this conversation talking

1313
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: about from what's going on in the world to how

1314
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: we want to do better and make a difference, to

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01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: celebrating achievements of our fellow sisters. So kudos to you.

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01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: We're excited. I know bats Nation is excited too, so

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01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: I just can't even believe it. Thank you guys so

1318
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: much for having me on and thank you for having

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01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: important conversations and doing what you do. And I just

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01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: adore you both. Thank you for being with us. It's

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01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: always fun having Caitlin. I always good time talking to her. Well,

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: you know what I was thinking, as like, I feel

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01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 1: like I talked to Kaitlin. I've done things with Kaitlin.

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01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: We have our group chat, and I was thinking, this

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: is the first time she's been on our podcast, I

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01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: was just thinking that, you know, we've done hers, so

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01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: the first time we've had her, and it was great.

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01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to book her because she's so busy. She's

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01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: so freaking now's been busier. I know that well, I

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01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: was thinking about that today. She has so many brands,

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01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: she has her podcast, she has nine to wine show,

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01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: and now this. It's like she better have like three

1333
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: managers behind her scheduling her time. But yes, I'm so

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01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: glad we were able to get her. It's just the

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: more I talked to Kaitlyn and get to know her,

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01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't see her all that often

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01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 1: because she's in Nashville. It's She's just one of those

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01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: people who I feel like anyone can talk to, feel

1339
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: comfortable with, open up to. She's she's got that good soul.

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: So I'm glad she was here. It's always good having

1341
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: another woman's point of view on the show. Yeah, there's

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01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: a reason that Caitlin has success. And you know, I'm

1343
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: not taking away from her talent or her hard work,

1344
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: but it's also the type of energy that she gives

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01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: off in the type of person she is, and she's

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01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: truly a girl's girl, and you know, we called her

1347
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: up last minute asked her if she could do this.

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: She was more than willing to be a part of it.

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 1: And what I also love, and what I think is

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01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: important because it's what we talked about too, is that

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01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn is somebody who's extremely influential and has a really

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01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 1: big platform in a voice on a number of levels.

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01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: So the fact that she's been very honest about the

1354
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: fact that she hasn't been as outspoken on certain issues,

1355
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: but she recognizes it and wants to learn and grow,

1356
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: and her platform and even reflect that in her business

1357
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: as well is huge, and I know it's going to

1358
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: set an example for so many other people. So I

1359
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 1: really appreciate her giving that to us and just being

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01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: an example in that. And she said we can hold

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01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: her accountable, and I know I will, yes, but I

1362
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 1: also won't have to. She'll be fine. Yeah. I have

1363
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: faith that she's she is someone who stands by what

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01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: she says, and when she says she wants to learn, grow,

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01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: have positive action and impact. I believe her. Yeah, So

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01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: it was good to have her. You know, Rachel, I

1367
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: feel like we've been talking for so long. You guys

1368
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 1: are probably sick of hearing from me at this point,

1369
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: So I just want to thank all of our Bachelor

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour listeners for tuning into another episode today. And

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 1: don't forget Bachelor Greatest Season's ever is airing every Monday

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01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: night at eight seventh Central on ABC, and next week

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01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 1: we're going to recab Ben Higgins. He's like a brother

1374
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: to me, but we're gonna be recapping his season, so

1375
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: we can't wait to watch. It's one that I actually

1376
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: have never watched his full season. I feel like it's

1377
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: going to be a little bit weird watching it back because,

1378
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: like I said, he is like a brother. But we

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01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: also love hearing from all of you guys, all of

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01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: your thoughts, your comments, concerns, questions, So keep writing to us,

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01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: keep commenting, please follow Like DMUs you can find us

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01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,599
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Speaker 1: Hour on both Facebook and Twitter.