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Speaker 1: Man Kate right is Dan Patrick our two on this Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Dan and the Dane's Stan Patrick Show. Pete Rose and
Speaker 1: the headlines have that story for you coming up. Dodgers
Speaker 1: Red Sox obviously in the headlines with the big deal
Speaker 1: that sent Mookie Bets and David Price to the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: So they get a former Cy Young winner and a
Speaker 1: former MVP and Bets and Pry in hopes of improving
Speaker 1: upon their one hundred and six wind total from a
Speaker 1: year ago. It's not the one hundred and six wins
Speaker 1: in the regular season you need to improve upon. It's
Speaker 1: the number of wins you had in the postseason. But
Speaker 1: you put Mookie Bets at the top of that lineup.
Speaker 1: You got Corey Seeger, you got Justin Turner, Cody Bellinger,
Speaker 1: Max Munsey, Lux Smith Pullick. You got a pretty potent
Speaker 1: lineup there. As for the Red Sox, I guess some
Speaker 1: fiscal sanity here. I just didn't think that we needed to.
Speaker 1: If I'm a Red Sox fan, trade away a guy
Speaker 1: who's about twenty six or twenty seven and you could
Speaker 1: build around. He's going to cost me a lot of money.
Speaker 1: You make a lot of money. Are you taking a
Speaker 1: year off? Here? Is that they just raised ticket prices,
Speaker 1: by the way, a slight raise on Monday, the Red
Speaker 1: Sox did, and then they trade Mookie Bets to the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: Dodgers needed pitching, in my opinion, great bat with Mookie Bets.
Speaker 1: Wonderful player, one of my favorite players. I go out
Speaker 1: of my way if Mookie Bets in the Red Sox
Speaker 1: were playing, I would watch. I thought that much of him,
Speaker 1: thought he was a great player all around. And Jack
Speaker 1: Peterson gets sent down the road to the Angels as
Speaker 1: they make way for Mookie Betts in that outfield eight
Speaker 1: seven seven three d P Show email address DP a
Speaker 1: dan Patrick dot com Twitter handle a DP show had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun with JJ Watton. The first hour
Speaker 1: he hosted Saturday Night Live, and he had one skit
Speaker 1: that was a little racy, and he called ahead to
Speaker 1: his mom to give his mom a heads up to
Speaker 1: tell Grandma that this was going to be a little
Speaker 1: sexual nature. And once that skit came on about him
Speaker 1: being a pizza delivery guy to take Grandma too the bathroom.
Speaker 1: There pull question for the first hour, Nick Love, and
Speaker 1: what do you have for me? Are you four or
Speaker 1: against fiscal sanity? So do you like it when your
Speaker 1: team overpays for a superstar or lets him go before
Speaker 1: the big contract? Say let him go before the big contract?
Speaker 1: People are upset and Dodger fans are upset with you,
Speaker 1: Todd wearing the Dodger jersey because you root for the
Speaker 1: cheating Astros. I do kind of cheating Astros. And this
Speaker 1: because today was a Newsy day with Mookie Bets going
Speaker 1: on Dards, not about being a fan. I had a
Speaker 1: nice Dodger jersey in the close. I just passed the
Speaker 1: information on. Still an Astro fan, Okay, not turning my
Speaker 1: back on the Asters. There's nothing to do with the Astros.
Speaker 1: Is just wailing the Dodgers because of the bench because
Speaker 1: you stick by your cheaters. I do, yes and whatever
Speaker 1: thing stick by those astros. Are you going to change
Speaker 1: the poll question? McClement? Sure, which directions could we? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't know if you had another suggestion there,
Speaker 1: but um I did remember I asked what's the most
Speaker 1: exciting offseason thing going on right now? The NBA trade deadline,
Speaker 1: the MLB hot stove or the NFL Draft, And you guys,
Speaker 1: I love MLB hot Stove. I feel like it's a
Speaker 1: better issue than the actual MLBC. But it's over. Well
Speaker 1: I know, but there was a trade last night that
Speaker 1: was okay, is it really over? Byvise? Bryce Harper signed
Speaker 1: in like late February. Well that's because they said there
Speaker 1: was collusion. But do you is there somebody else out
Speaker 1: there that I'm missing? Not unless or the Dodgers is
Speaker 1: going to get a pitch or was wondering about that.
Speaker 1: We got some tweets at saying pointing out they didn't
Speaker 1: give up anyone so they can then mortgage the young
Speaker 1: guys for pitching. Yeah, yeah, I mean you got I
Speaker 1: don't know what the Red Sox hall is because it's
Speaker 1: you know, you're getting minor leaguers there, You've got a
Speaker 1: young team there. It feels it feels like J. D.
Speaker 1: Martinez is the next guy out in Boston. He might
Speaker 1: make too much money, but you got you got a
Speaker 1: young there's a nucleus there. It felt like I think
Speaker 1: the Red Sox probably looked around and said, we got
Speaker 1: a bloated payroll and we're not better than the Yankees,
Speaker 1: and we might not be better than the Rays. And
Speaker 1: that's why you know, they seemed hell bans on getting
Speaker 1: rid of Mookie Bets because he was going to cost
Speaker 1: them four hundred million dollars. Yeah, we were discussing and
Speaker 1: pretail like, I really don't think buying a World Series
Speaker 1: has really worked at all. The Yankee Is only won
Speaker 1: one with their expensive teams. They won all those with
Speaker 1: the core four, right, and yeah, but they also bought
Speaker 1: it back then. If you think about it, that they
Speaker 1: did raise those prospects, they were able to keep them.
Speaker 1: How many teams were able to keep that kind of quality,
Speaker 1: that kind of talent, that nucleus because they're too expensive.
Speaker 1: So the Yankees did have to spend, it was just
Speaker 1: they didn't acquire anything. They just kept what they had. Normally,
Speaker 1: teams will lose those kind of prospects. Tampa does it
Speaker 1: all the time. Cincinnati or Pittsburgh, they can't keep those
Speaker 1: teams together. The Yankees were able to do that, Yes
Speaker 1: to club. Yeah, but the Cubs were homegrown, the Royals
Speaker 1: were homegrown. The Nationals are kind of homegrown, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like. And the other question was, isn't it
Speaker 1: really pitching in October more than anything like these starting
Speaker 1: You were all high on Cole coming into both teams.
Speaker 1: I told you it was the best. I said that
Speaker 1: the start of the year. It's when they the astro
Speaker 1: has got Garrett Cole. I go, oh my god, he is.
Speaker 1: But you had to go out of your way to
Speaker 1: watch him. I watched him with Pittsburgh and I thought,
Speaker 1: this guy is a beast, and then we saw just
Speaker 1: how great he was. Now you put him with Verlander,
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, that's pretty impressive. Yeah. There's an
Speaker 1: article from Forest magazine that does payroll equate winning in
Speaker 1: MLB and it says it doesn't. It equates competitiveness. You're
Speaker 1: more likely to be at the above eighty five wins
Speaker 1: if you're a top ten in payroll, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: equate necessarily world Series. They said, ignore the payroll of
Speaker 1: your team and look at the actual stats of the
Speaker 1: players on the roster before the season, and do those
Speaker 1: players equate winning? They said, it doesn't always work out
Speaker 1: that the payroll equals World Series. Yeah. I look at
Speaker 1: gian Carlos Stanton and the amount of money he cost.
Speaker 1: You man, the Yankees, the Yankees would like to have
Speaker 1: a couple of those. Back right to Kobe Elsberry. He's
Speaker 1: still getting paid? Is he still there? I think I
Speaker 1: think he's still getting paid. I think he's owed like
Speaker 1: twenty seven million, and I don't know the last time
Speaker 1: he played. But see, the Yankees can make a mistake
Speaker 1: like that. How many teams in baseball can make a
Speaker 1: mistake like that? Very few? Yes, because very Even with
Speaker 1: all those mistakes that cost him a billion dollars, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, they still went to the Alcs and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean they're still a game away from going to
Speaker 1: the World Series. Yeah, so I'll take that all day. Oh.
Speaker 1: If I'm a Yankee fan, I love the fact they
Speaker 1: spend money. Absolutely. If I'm a Red Stock fan, I'm
Speaker 1: going wait, are we a mid market team here? What
Speaker 1: happened to us? What happened in the stock market that
Speaker 1: I don't know about. Yeah, on the club, how about
Speaker 1: the Mets? They're still paying all these guys. They can
Speaker 1: go drastically wrong, right, like the Mets, Which franchise is
Speaker 1: paying the most players for not playing or that don't
Speaker 1: play for them? The Knick's gotta be still paying Alan Houston,
Speaker 1: Henny Hardaway. Yeah, I'm guessing. I'm guessing. But you know,
Speaker 1: basketball team, there's less people on the roster than a
Speaker 1: baseball team. But I don't know which team is still
Speaker 1: spending the most money on players who don't even play
Speaker 1: for them? All right? I mentioned Pete Rose news. Pete
Speaker 1: Rose has asked the Commissioner Rob Manfred, and this was
Speaker 1: earlier this morning, to remove his name from Baseball's ineligible
Speaker 1: list would allow him to be considered for induction into
Speaker 1: the Baseball Hall of Fame. So the petition was sent
Speaker 1: to the Commissioner's office. It was obtained by ESPN. Rose
Speaker 1: and his lawyers argue the commissioners recently opted not to
Speaker 1: punish players guilty of major game changing rules in fractions,
Speaker 1: and as a result, should end Rose's thirty and a
Speaker 1: half year ban for gambling on baseball while he was
Speaker 1: a manager of the Reds. The lawyers say that Rose's
Speaker 1: lifetime ban is quote vastly disproportionate when compared to Baseball's
Speaker 1: punishment of players who took performance enhancing drugs and the
Speaker 1: players involved in the sign stealing schemes of the twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen Astros. There cannot be one set of rules for
Speaker 1: mister Rose and another for everyone else. Rose's twenty page
Speaker 1: petition for reinstatement says no objective standard or categorization of
Speaker 1: the rules violations committed by mister Rose can distinguish his
Speaker 1: violations from those that have incurred substantially less severe penalties
Speaker 1: from Major League Baseball. Rose is seeking a meeting with
Speaker 1: the commissioner. Rule twenty one d any player, umpire, or
Speaker 1: club league official or employee who shall bet, as some
Speaker 1: whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the
Speaker 1: better has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.
Speaker 1: He would have to remove that rule from the rule
Speaker 1: book forever to reinstate Pete Rose what the Astros did.
Speaker 1: There's no rule that says what a specific punishment is.
Speaker 1: This is one of the shortest rules in the entire
Speaker 1: MLB rule book. And i'd like to know if and
Speaker 1: I don't have lockdown proof, but I certainly have what
Speaker 1: would be circumstantial evidence that Pete bet on baseball while
Speaker 1: he was a player. You're trying to tell me that Pete,
Speaker 1: who's been known to be a gambler, that he waited
Speaker 1: till he was the manager of the Reds to bet
Speaker 1: on his team every single night. I don't believe that's
Speaker 1: the case. And even if he bet on his team
Speaker 1: to win every single night, he's still betting on his
Speaker 1: team while he's a manager. As a player, I believe
Speaker 1: Pete bet on baseball. I don't know. I'm sure Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball knows this. My guess is that they're like,
Speaker 1: let's just we're gonna suspend him. And definitely he's on
Speaker 1: the ineligible list because he bet as a manager. And
Speaker 1: not even get into did he bet while he was playing?
Speaker 1: Did he bet against his team while he's playing? How
Speaker 1: often did he bet as a player. I just don't
Speaker 1: think you go all of a sudden, he wakes up
Speaker 1: one day and he goes, you know, I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: betting on my team. That's not how gambling works. It doesn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: going back to rule twenty one D. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if Pete Rose bet four or against the team, doesn't differentiate.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if he's a player, an umpire, a
Speaker 1: league official, or a manager. But it does not say
Speaker 1: anything in there. He's permanently ineligible for working for an
Speaker 1: MLB ball club. That's what he's ineligible. It has says
Speaker 1: nothing there about it being ineligible for the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame ballot, the Hall of Fame eliability. The Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame added that in later, So it's interesting he could
Speaker 1: be on the Hall of Fame ballot without actually being
Speaker 1: reinstated to participate in baseball. Yeah, because Baseball's Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame has chosen to align itself with Major League Baseball. Here,
Speaker 1: that's my choice because we've spoken to the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame before, and the Hall of Fame says we could
Speaker 1: put him on the ballot if we wanted to, because
Speaker 1: it's their museum and they could do what they want
Speaker 1: to do. They just chose to align themselves with Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball and the rules and regulations there. So Pete
Speaker 1: Rose is on the outside looking in. I still maintain
Speaker 1: Pete has gotten far more attention, notoriety, made far more
Speaker 1: money by not being in the Hall of Fame. Because
Speaker 1: if you said, twenty five years ago Pete Rose got
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame, this isn't a story. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1: We care because we saw Pete Rose play and you go,
Speaker 1: that's a Hall of Famer, and there with you. I
Speaker 1: went to see him first game I ever saw in person,
Speaker 1: Pete Rose mid sixties, got his autograph. He didn't charge
Speaker 1: me either back then. Yeah. See. But part of Pete
Speaker 1: Rose's problem is that the people who actually do care
Speaker 1: about this are slowly being replaced by a bunch of
Speaker 1: people who never saw him play that probably don't care. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if Pete Rose getting
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame. It's really a hot button
Speaker 1: topic for a certain age group, for the younger younger
Speaker 1: group that yeah, maybe so, But they can't those writers
Speaker 1: can't do anything. This is mazing. This is the commissioner.
Speaker 1: So the writers can go, we're gonna put Clemens in
Speaker 1: or Bonds in. They can't put Pete Rose in unless
Speaker 1: he's on the ballot. Then you'd find out what these
Speaker 1: younger writers think about Pete Rose. The commissioner, I think
Speaker 1: wants to uphold the integrity of that decision by Bartsia
Speaker 1: Matti and Bud Seelig didn't want to go against that.
Speaker 1: Faye Vince didn't want to go against that, and this
Speaker 1: commissioner doesn't want to go against that either. When we
Speaker 1: had him in Washington, DC, when he joined us at
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, and the Commissioner and we talked,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to compromise what we said off
Speaker 1: the air, but I got the same feeling that I
Speaker 1: got from Bud seeing this is never happening. While I'm
Speaker 1: the commissioner of Baseball. It's just not yeah, I'm a club.
Speaker 1: But still like thirty years ago, having every league partnering
Speaker 1: with a casino sea like MLB and MGM are gigantic partners.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gambling so different now, but you can't
Speaker 1: be a part of something that gives the illusion you're
Speaker 1: fixing a game that maybe even more so now because
Speaker 1: it's so open. Yeah, but now I would rather have
Speaker 1: Vegas involved in this right than I would where it's
Speaker 1: you know, kind of offshore and who knows what's going
Speaker 1: on here, shady characters where you could get to somebody.
Speaker 1: Vegas is the one that protects, you know, the betting
Speaker 1: part of this, the integrity of this. I did notice
Speaker 1: around Super a week a lot of players are answering
Speaker 1: questions about spreads, and like it was, I feel like
Speaker 1: we're did we talk to some football players, like yeah,
Speaker 1: telling about this betting thing? Like I think it's could
Speaker 1: be hard to keep players from betting now because it's
Speaker 1: such a big thing now. I mean, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know you can't, right, Like I know that you could say, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, everybody's doing it, then I want to
Speaker 1: do it. But I mean Tony Romo three years ago
Speaker 1: is penalized for having a fantasy football. Now there's a
Speaker 1: team in Vegas. You know, well, look, you know, these
Speaker 1: leagues are all hypocritical. And I said this before. As
Speaker 1: soon as they figure out how to make money, it'll
Speaker 1: be legal. I mean, the ethics go away. This is
Speaker 1: about how do we make money? And how many years
Speaker 1: ago did I say that? I said that to this audience.
Speaker 1: As soon as the leagues decide how they can divvy
Speaker 1: this up and every all these owners get their money,
Speaker 1: that's when you're gonna have gambling, legalized gambling, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think this legalized game. I know it's in the open,
Speaker 1: but it does risk this more money coming into this. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe players will compromise. Happen throughout history. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: feels like Vegas keeps a closer eye on this. And
Speaker 1: if you're the leagues, your leagues are only like, you
Speaker 1: have to have somebody keeping an eye on this, people
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on this because your sport, the integrity
Speaker 1: of your sport, the validity of your sport is based
Speaker 1: off of what you're seeing is real. You know, Baseball
Speaker 1: got hurt because all of a sudden, you're watching, You're going,
Speaker 1: those guys are cheating, those guys who are using steroids,
Speaker 1: those guys are you know, cheating with surveillance cameras. Remember
Speaker 1: the Tim Donaghee situation, you know with the NBA that
Speaker 1: hurt the NBA not in a long long term, but
Speaker 1: it did immediately where people went the sea. I told
Speaker 1: you those officials. I think people have this conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: when it comes to officiating. All they're on the ticket,
Speaker 1: how do they miss that call? Like we've all thought,
Speaker 1: how did you miss that call? I don't go, I
Speaker 1: don't take that leap where I go. Yeah, they're on
Speaker 1: the take. Oh they're cheating. Oh, they want them to win.
Speaker 1: But I think that if you if you don't have
Speaker 1: that integrity, then you've really lost something because then you
Speaker 1: lose the confidence in your audience that what they're seeing
Speaker 1: is it real. And there's gonna be billions and billions
Speaker 1: and billions of dollars bet legally in these sports. I mean,
Speaker 1: we got a hockey team in Vegas, we got a
Speaker 1: football team in Vegas. The curtain's been pulled back all
Speaker 1: of these owners. Oh, we'll never go for it. It
Speaker 1: goes back to the BCS. Oh, we'll never go for
Speaker 1: a playoff. Wait, how much money can we make? Let's
Speaker 1: do a playoff here. That's what happens. These guys are phony,
Speaker 1: Like the transparency is. They just want to make money.
Speaker 1: I don't care about it. Oh you know we can't
Speaker 1: have gambling attached to this, can't we? Yeah, I'm think
Speaker 1: glothing for the NFL. Well, I couldn't have to play
Speaker 1: footballs up like their matter about that. Then you know somebody, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be gambling on it. So we don't care
Speaker 1: if you have a gambling They're trying to keep everything
Speaker 1: above board, you know, with the injury lists and everything
Speaker 1: By the way, you know, the Patriots thing is still
Speaker 1: being yes, look into yeah, yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're I don't know what they found. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find this out, Like what did you find that? Now
Speaker 1: keeps this open and I haven't found that out too.
Speaker 1: We're talking about it or whatever. Yeah, that make some
Speaker 1: good offseason content. By the way, it couldn't be. We
Speaker 1: could use that. It could be. You know, now we
Speaker 1: got enough to talk about, you know, Brady to the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, those kind of things. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: in Mark if he resize that the Pats will eat another,
Speaker 1: will lease sub kind of scandal get us through. If
Speaker 1: you're the Niners, would you trade Jimmy Garoppolo for Tom
Speaker 1: Brady right now? White hot? Yeah? I would. Good. You
Speaker 1: imagine if that happened, if the Niners go, hey, Bill,
Speaker 1: you love Jimmy Gee, We'll send him back. Jimmy g
Speaker 1: makes more than Tom. You know that seems like an
Speaker 1: even samp. I love the story, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any truth to it at all. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's sort of thrown out there by Skip Bayliss to
Speaker 1: troll everybody finalize. Yeah, yeah, like they it's so reaction there.
Speaker 1: I you know, I would trade Garoppolo right now and
Speaker 1: get Tom Brady Shannon, what do you think? Yes, I
Speaker 1: worry that they're gonna be just good enough to keep
Speaker 1: Jimmy g win twelve games every year, but not quite
Speaker 1: good enough to win a su They almost won a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We stopped with this that he could have
Speaker 1: if they had two first downs, they win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: I know, but are you confident that he's going to
Speaker 1: get him back there? Confident? I'm not confident that Mahomes
Speaker 1: will get back there. As much as I love him
Speaker 1: and they got talent there, it's really hard to get
Speaker 1: back there and then win again. It's been fifteen years
Speaker 1: since we've had back to back. Yeah, club, it's like
Speaker 1: you mentioned Bill O'Brien earlier. Deshaun Watson's gonna get you
Speaker 1: eleven wins every year. It's to eternity, but you're never
Speaker 1: gonna win a Super Bowl with bild Ryan is your coach.
Speaker 1: It's like the good limbo in the NFL. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: against the grain is back. That was very against the grain.
Speaker 1: I love it. All right, we'll take a break here.
Speaker 1: I want to read some of the tweets. Some of
Speaker 1: the tweets that I can read from Bengal fans. They
Speaker 1: were upset at me yesterday because I had the audacity to, Oh,
Speaker 1: Todd mcshay's joining us now, Is that right? Yeah? We
Speaker 1: got time? Oh okay, all right, So we'll get to Todd.
Speaker 1: Mcfade's got his mock draft out, and I want to
Speaker 1: know the team. Is it the Lions or the Giants?
Speaker 1: That could be the gatekeeper too? Do you want to
Speaker 1: come up and get a quarterback? Is anybody gonna go
Speaker 1: up and get Tuma? Can anybody go get Joe Burrow?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm curious about with Todd. So we'll we'll
Speaker 1: talk to him and I'll read these mean tweets from
Speaker 1: Bengal fans, edited in my direction. Twenty one after the hour.
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Speaker 1: I talked about the Bengals yesterday, and I was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, with what Joe Burrow said to me last
Speaker 1: week at the Super Bowl, you know, does he really
Speaker 1: want to go there? You know, you might want to
Speaker 1: say all the right things. It doesn't feel like that
Speaker 1: his side has said all the right things. Now, I
Speaker 1: didn't say didn't want to go there. He just said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd love to go number one, but I
Speaker 1: want to go to a team that's going to be
Speaker 1: competing for Super Bowls. Okay, that's not Cincinnati, at least
Speaker 1: not now and historically. All Right, So I got bashed
Speaker 1: by Bengal fans. Here's a few of them. Dan mentions
Speaker 1: quarterbacks from twenty five years ago as a reason, since
Speaker 1: he's had two quarterbacks in fifteen years. Where was all
Speaker 1: this don't go to that team talk? When Cleveland took Baker,
Speaker 1: if you would have said to me, hey, if you
Speaker 1: talked to Baker Mayfield, I'd say, be wary of going
Speaker 1: to the Cleveland Browns, certainly with that ownership. But I
Speaker 1: didn't talk about him forcing a trade, and I don't
Speaker 1: know how what leverage he had. I think at the
Speaker 1: Browns surprised a lot of people. I'm the one that
Speaker 1: told you they were taking Baker before anybody else did so.
Speaker 1: I'd heard that he was moving up and the Browns
Speaker 1: loved him. But you know, if I'm Joe Burrow, do
Speaker 1: I want to go to Cincinnati right now? Cleveland has
Speaker 1: more talent there than Cincinnati has. In my opinion. They
Speaker 1: had some pieces on defense and felt like they had
Speaker 1: some offensive weapons as well, and it felt like that
Speaker 1: might have been a better situation, didn't The coaching situation?
Speaker 1: Not sure the Bengals coaching situation right now, And if
Speaker 1: you're a Bengal fan, you're not sure either. Here's another one.
Speaker 1: Are you confused how the draft works? Why have thirty
Speaker 1: two teams? Then if all the good players went to
Speaker 1: all the good teams, then what's the point. There are
Speaker 1: certain situations where quarterbacks have forced their way out of
Speaker 1: a situation. Do you think Eli Mannings happy he did it?
Speaker 1: Do you think John Elways happy he did it? They
Speaker 1: got one chance. If Joe Burrow was coming out of
Speaker 1: high school and he had three hats in front of him,
Speaker 1: are one of those three hats Cincinday Bengals And the
Speaker 1: answer is no. I love the draft that you get
Speaker 1: a chance to restock, but you know Cincinnati is not
Speaker 1: going to be competing for a little while. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: that's all. I have nothing against Cincinnati. Love the city,
Speaker 1: That's where I grew up. But it's not about this city.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at if the Bengals were a stock.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all I'm doing is analyze in the stock.
Speaker 1: There here's another one. I love how Dan references the
Speaker 1: Dolphins is a model franchise where Joe Burrow will likely
Speaker 1: win and succeed. What decade is Dan exactly? Living in
Speaker 1: Miami is a QB spin cycle with two playoff appearances
Speaker 1: in the last eighteen years. Last time I checked, Don
Speaker 1: Shula isn't on the sidelines. Well, first of all, I
Speaker 1: didn't say they were a model franchise because they're not.
Speaker 1: But I looked at how Brian Flora's got them to play.
Speaker 1: They got a lot of They got a lot of
Speaker 1: draft picks here. And even when I brought up Miami
Speaker 1: to Joe Burrow, go back and look at it. His
Speaker 1: eyes lit up, like, Yeah, yeah, I could go there.
Speaker 1: Brian Flores appears to be a good coach there for
Speaker 1: this team. And I'm not talking about a different decade
Speaker 1: here where Dan Marino was there with Don Shula. Here's
Speaker 1: another one on guys. All all those guys you mentioned
Speaker 1: are playing for the Bengals next year. If Burrows the
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, he'll flourish with Green, Boyd, Mixing, Geo, etc.
Speaker 1: This is low hanging fruit to take shots at the
Speaker 1: Bengals knowing they won't fire back in the media. I
Speaker 1: wasn't concerned about that even if they did. Are you
Speaker 1: sure that Aj Green's going to be healthy enough to
Speaker 1: play for you? Mixing and Geo are nice complimentary backfield.
Speaker 1: That's fine, What do we have a tight end? Aj
Speaker 1: Green gonna be healthy? Here? Here's another one to me.
Speaker 1: Nobody in the national media wants the Bengals to be
Speaker 1: a good team. I don't where do you come up
Speaker 1: with that? If the If the Bengals go to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl in the next three years, that's a great story.
Speaker 1: If Joe Burrow leaves them, great, I'm happy for you.
Speaker 1: This is just analysis, it's not personal. Here's another, mister Patrick.
Speaker 1: The Bengals made the playoffs five straight years from twenty
Speaker 1: eleven to twenty fifteen with Andy Dalton. If you look
Speaker 1: at the past decade, none of the other teams drafting
Speaker 1: in the top five or even clothes close. Miami, Washington
Speaker 1: and the Jets have been bad. Giants not much better recently.
Speaker 1: So why are you getting rid of Andy Dalton? Howl's
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton thirty one thirty one? So why do not
Speaker 1: keep Andy Dalton? I mean, how about you trade the pick,
Speaker 1: keep Andy Dalton, get Chase Young something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: and it's nothing. I grew up a Bengals fan, went
Speaker 1: to games where all the fans, by the way, at
Speaker 1: the Bengal games. That's I'm curious about. Two. If everybody
Speaker 1: loves the Bengals and they're all in on this team
Speaker 1: and the young talent and their coach, and all right,
Speaker 1: you should be packing the place, right It's like Jacksonville. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not rooting for Jacksonville to leave. I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you what I was told years ago, and I told you,
Speaker 1: and it's happening now. You've got two games in London.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're stopping it too. I don't bring
Speaker 1: in Todd McShay ESPN NFL draft analyst. Come on in, Todd.
Speaker 1: How are you you're all worked up this morning? Huh? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, be interested. Incinnati people think that, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: you kick us when we're down. I'm just analyzing this situation.
Speaker 1: And let's think you're Joe Burrows agent. What would you
Speaker 1: tell your client right now? What would you consider? Personally?
Speaker 1: I would tell him just to get drafted where you're
Speaker 1: drafted and go play. Okay, but I could understand if
Speaker 1: if you looked at the big picture and tried to
Speaker 1: try to force something else. I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to happen, though. I really don't, especially with Joe being
Speaker 1: from the state of Ohio. I think I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: think about a year ago. I've had him as a
Speaker 1: fourth fifth round pick and he was transferring to LSU
Speaker 1: and he felt fortunate to just get from Ohio State
Speaker 1: to LSU. He was like fifth on the depth charter
Speaker 1: at Ohio State and now to have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: be the first overall pick and to be a player
Speaker 1: that's going to wind up getting guaranteed thirty three thirty
Speaker 1: four million dollars over the next five years. It kind
Speaker 1: of doesn't matter where you go, and especially if you're
Speaker 1: going to be in the state that you grew up in.
Speaker 1: I think he should take some pride in that and
Speaker 1: go and try to be the guy that turns around
Speaker 1: the Bengals and brings them to, you know, back to
Speaker 1: the playoffs and has success with them. But who knows
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. And I'm all for that though. Todd
Speaker 1: hope he I hope he honors that and goes number
Speaker 1: one and goes to Cincinnati. I mean, I like that.
Speaker 1: I admire that if you want to go when you
Speaker 1: want to start something, you would to create something, you
Speaker 1: would have build something on all for that. It's just
Speaker 1: I don't know what his mindset is. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you know, the people behind him are, you know,
Speaker 1: Lee Steinberg are going, yeah, of course he gonna go there.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're thinking. I'm just I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: is there a team that would want to go up
Speaker 1: and get Joe Burrow. Is there a team with the
Speaker 1: draft capital that would say we're gonna would Miami go
Speaker 1: up and get Miami's interesting because they've got three picks
Speaker 1: in the first round obviously, so they have the capital
Speaker 1: to do it. But if you're the if you're the Bengals,
Speaker 1: why do you make that deal? And I thought about
Speaker 1: this last night because I mean, everyone knows that they
Speaker 1: try to save money, right, and they try to run
Speaker 1: it as a business and make money off of this organization.
Speaker 1: And apparently making money is just as important, if not
Speaker 1: more important, than winning. So if you have a quarterback
Speaker 1: that you can pay thirty three thirty four million dollars
Speaker 1: over the next five years versus you know, some guys
Speaker 1: are making thirty million close to a year, you know.
Speaker 1: So I don't know why you just don't stay at
Speaker 1: home at number one and take Joe Burrow and see
Speaker 1: where it goes from there and hope, hopefully he can
Speaker 1: bring you a lot of success. Why move back and
Speaker 1: then and play around with it and wind up with
Speaker 1: three first round picks or two first round picks in
Speaker 1: the second round pick whatever the deal would be, and
Speaker 1: still not have their quarterback. So if I'm the Bengals,
Speaker 1: the only thing to me that makes sense is to
Speaker 1: draft Joe Burrow. And you know when teams talk about,
Speaker 1: well they got a lot of draft picks, I want
Speaker 1: to know who's making the picks. There's only one Ozzie
Speaker 1: Newsom here, and you can have these draft picks like
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. Boy, they got all these draft picks
Speaker 1: and then they didn't do well with those draft picks.
Speaker 1: That's where I would get nervous. Even with Miami, you know,
Speaker 1: they it feels like they may have something there with
Speaker 1: their head coach, Brian Flores, and they played hard for him.
Speaker 1: They got rid of their big stick, you know, big
Speaker 1: ticket items there. Now, what are you going to do
Speaker 1: with the draft? You know? So I understand, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of this scenario with a lot of these teams.
Speaker 1: But just because he got great, you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of draft picks, doesn't mean you're gonna have a great
Speaker 1: football things true. But I do think Miami is tough
Speaker 1: because because of the market. But um, but but Fours
Speaker 1: is a really good coach and and Chris Greer is
Speaker 1: a really good evaluator, and so I think they have
Speaker 1: the right people in place to to try to put
Speaker 1: it together. You're picking it five and maybe you get
Speaker 1: two a tongue of iolo that at that spot if
Speaker 1: he medically checks out, and then you've got two more
Speaker 1: picks you know later in the first round. This is
Speaker 1: an opportunity as an organization to turn things around. And
Speaker 1: the Raiders are in the same same place, and we
Speaker 1: would you rather have the Bengals future or the Dolphins future? Um?
Speaker 1: I would rather have the Dolphins future. Yeah, because of
Speaker 1: the people, the people making the decisions and knowing that
Speaker 1: the people in Miami want to win, and they want
Speaker 1: to spend money and they want to do the right things.
Speaker 1: And you've got three first round picks. We're talking to
Speaker 1: Todd mcsay's latest mock draft two point zero, now available
Speaker 1: on the ESPN plus. If Twa was healthy, it would
Speaker 1: be a great debate. It would be a great debate, Dan,
Speaker 1: I mean it really would be. I personally would take
Speaker 1: Twah over Joe if if there's no medical concerns, if
Speaker 1: they were both clean medically, I really would. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is He's Drew Brees from the left side, That's
Speaker 1: what he is. And who wouldn't take Drew Brees number one.
Speaker 1: You know, he's just But what I'm concerned about is
Speaker 1: and what everyone in the league is concerned about. And
Speaker 1: I spent a week at at the Senior Bowl talking
Speaker 1: to gms and head coaches and you know, scouts and
Speaker 1: everyone else and medical people. The concern is and nobody knows.
Speaker 1: You can. Anyone who tells you that they know what
Speaker 1: the answer is right now is lying. Nobody knows how
Speaker 1: he's going to recover because he's young enough to recover,
Speaker 1: but this is an injury that it could take a while,
Speaker 1: and it could also six seven years down the road,
Speaker 1: it could be degenerative. So is he going to be
Speaker 1: the same quick twitch athlete that he was at Alabama
Speaker 1: when he was playing at the highest level, And is
Speaker 1: he able going to be to be healthy and available?
Speaker 1: You know, availability, We always talked about that, it's the
Speaker 1: most important ability. But if he does get back to that,
Speaker 1: you're talking about one of the best quarterback prospects we've
Speaker 1: seen in the last five six years coming out of
Speaker 1: the draft in terms of accuracy, efficiency and today's game
Speaker 1: just quickly processing, knowing where to go with the football
Speaker 1: and being able to move around and create passing windows.
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is the perfect top for him, but is
Speaker 1: he going to get back to that because the hip
Speaker 1: is just such a big, big concern. I'll leave you
Speaker 1: with this question. The team between Detroit and New York
Speaker 1: that may move down to allow somebody to go up
Speaker 1: and get to a because it feels like it's been
Speaker 1: Miami that was gonna get to and nobody, of course
Speaker 1: is going to play their cards and show you their cards.
Speaker 1: But is somebody moving up to get somebody you don't?
Speaker 1: So I think since he's going to sit at home,
Speaker 1: I think they should and just take Joe Burrow. I
Speaker 1: think it two of the Redskins are just going to
Speaker 1: take Chase Young, and that's exactly what they should do.
Speaker 1: He's the best player in this year's draft. Then Detroit
Speaker 1: would be the team to me if if there was
Speaker 1: interest from let's say, the Dolphins at five, the Chargers
Speaker 1: at six, the Panthers at seven, even going all the
Speaker 1: way down down to I don't know, the Cults at thirteen,
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers at fourteen. I think if you're the Lions,
Speaker 1: you're and you're not looking to draft a quarterback, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that they need to at this point.
Speaker 1: I think that number three spot is the most interesting
Speaker 1: because you can get ahead of the Dolphins and you
Speaker 1: can go basically line yourself up to get to if
Speaker 1: the medical report is right, and that's the guy you
Speaker 1: believe in. And the other thing is I don't I'm
Speaker 1: not a huge Justin Herbert fan, but I've talked to
Speaker 1: enough general managers and head coaches in the league that
Speaker 1: really like the Oregon quarterback because of his size and
Speaker 1: his ability to be developed, and his intelligence and everything
Speaker 1: that he brings to the table. There are some teams
Speaker 1: that really like him, and I think, do you know
Speaker 1: how it goes? All three of these guys are going
Speaker 1: to be off the board in the top ten when
Speaker 1: it's all said and do a lot of time before
Speaker 1: then though, that's the fun part of all of this.
Speaker 1: You've got a few more mock drafts, don't you. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Kiper keeps adding, I think we're gonna have like nine
Speaker 1: point at some point. He would do a mock draft
Speaker 1: every single days. I love him, but I think you
Speaker 1: guys should put money in a pool like like like
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars okay, and most wins like five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for charity. Most correct picks in the first time.
Speaker 1: So make it interesting where there's something attached to it.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea. We're gonna do that. Here you go, Stewarts,
Speaker 1: I get to I get right. All right, we'll pick
Speaker 1: our own charities and that's what we're gonna do. Done. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's the best idea I've heard all week. There
Speaker 1: you go. That's all I do is good. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Todd, take care of that. That's Todd McShay.
Speaker 1: I don't know if mel Kiper's got that kind of money.
Speaker 1: Oh he does. I think he spends it all on
Speaker 1: hair product. Is wife to his hair So you didn't
Speaker 1: spend any money there. All right, we'll take a break here,
Speaker 1: we'll come back. Get to your phone calls after this.
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Speaker 1: connecting with body blows there not good. I had a
Speaker 1: couple of phone calls Aaron and Dayton joins us, Hi, Aaron,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hey, you guys are talking
Speaker 1: about Burrow. I live in Dayton, Cincinnati area here and
Speaker 1: he should know better. The Bengals have been a dumpster
Speaker 1: fire for three decades. He should know not the one
Speaker 1: to play here. And you know somebody around town is
Speaker 1: buying billboards up and down seventy five right after LSU's
Speaker 1: Lynn think, congratulations Joe Burrow. They're trying to woo him here.
Speaker 1: And you asked who's got the draft capital? The Raiders do,
Speaker 1: Khalil Mactrade. They have two first round picks a second
Speaker 1: round pick. I'd love to see Chucky take Burrow and
Speaker 1: put him under his wing and you know, make him
Speaker 1: something great instead of Chely Smith part you know, part two?
Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you, thank you er. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was there for the Achille Smith ra or David Klingler.
Speaker 1: You know, I love Dalton. You got Dalton and uh
Speaker 1: Andy was second round pick. Mclovin. Yeah, came in with
Speaker 1: AJ Green. Yeah, and he came out of TCU, had
Speaker 1: the big Rose Bowl performance against J. J. Watt and
Speaker 1: UH and UH Wisconsin and and then you know, I've
Speaker 1: had Bengal fans say, hey, look at what Dalton did
Speaker 1: for five consecutive years and you're moving on from Dalton. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you did make the playoffs, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if you look at that team right now and say,
Speaker 1: well they just underachieved that they're really a five or
Speaker 1: six win team, I don't know. Yeah, mclub, they had
Speaker 1: some good players, but never they couldn't keep everyone healthy,
Speaker 1: like AJ Green. Remember I heard and Gino Atkins got
Speaker 1: hurt a couple of times. But Aj Green I think
Speaker 1: is a free agents. Feel like he should go to
Speaker 1: a Patriots team or somebody who can win be He's
Speaker 1: not gonna win even with Burrow wait didn't stay healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and as great as he's been, you just can't count
Speaker 1: on him. And I think Mixon and Geo are nice
Speaker 1: running backs. I don't think they're great running backs. But
Speaker 1: you know, are you even sold on your head coach
Speaker 1: right now? And I don't think you can say that.
Speaker 1: But if you're the Bengal though, I mean I would
Speaker 1: take Joe Burrow, yeah, I would, but I would listen
Speaker 1: to an offer. Somebody may give you something crazy. You know,
Speaker 1: we look at these teams and you know, the Eagles,
Speaker 1: did they do the right thing? They got Carson Wentz,
Speaker 1: they got their franchise quarterback. You know that the Texans
Speaker 1: moved up, the Chiefs moved up. Trying to think, the
Speaker 1: Rams moved up. Now, did you get your guy? But
Speaker 1: then the Bears moved up. Yeah, mcclen did you agree
Speaker 1: with Mickay by the way about he would take two
Speaker 1: over Burrow? A healthy two over Burrows, pure hypothet if
Speaker 1: completely healthy. You know, Suton, Well, we don't have enough
Speaker 1: time for it now, but that those three first rounders
Speaker 1: from the Dauphins sure have to I mean that's pretty tasty,
Speaker 1: pretty tasty. You just have to have really good draft people.
Speaker 1: I got all these draft picks just like the Browns did,
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