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Speaker 1: I had problems with Rashid Wallace in the past, and

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Speaker 1: It was a problem in Portland where you know, he

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Speaker 1: that don't know, and it's it's rep Picks. Explain this

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Speaker 1: about here, No. Rep picks dot com is a website

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Speaker 1: where I have a bunch of sports handy trappers that

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Speaker 1: work for me. We guide people through the sports gambling

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Speaker 1: collecting from your booky rather than paying your bookie in

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Speaker 1: And also we kind of vent people out to make

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Speaker 1: sure they're not getting themselves in too much trouble gambling

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Speaker 1: and kind of guide them in the right direction. Are

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Speaker 1: you still betting on games them? Are you still occasionally now?

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Speaker 1: I'm not betting on games my up because it was

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Speaker 1: a difficult line that I kept crossing and got me

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Speaker 1: in a lot of trouble. So I kind of stay

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Speaker 1: away from, uh, you know, betting on the games myself.

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Speaker 1: I just kind of die people in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: I got you, hey, Tim, thanks for swiming some time

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Speaker 1: with us. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Be

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Speaker 1: sure to catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show

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Speaker 1: to catch live editions of The Ben Meller Show weekdays

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