WEBVTT - Episode 259 "The Spice Suite" 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.600 A word with me here. You know, BT's so low 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.560 shout of O C T. No what we see whole 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:10.840 game read the butler something. Oh you can't stand on 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.080 their own, Susie. I already know you can't involved with 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.480 me because with the squad of me, they get a 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:16.960 little they called me. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:25.360 Love boiler alert. Is O T T with that? 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:27.319 bestI Sola, it is. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.160 Your boy BT. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.280 Prayers up for Jasmine Sellivant, who recently just lost her mother, 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.519 and also prayers up for Brownie James, who suffered cardiac 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:42.919 arrests during his workout at USC. 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.839 Yeah, that was that was pretty shocking. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:51.400 You know, I definitely don't like people's speculations on what happened. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.040 Are the speculating, I mean people. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.480 Are speculating, you know, just crazy stuff that I've that 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.960 I've been seeing on the internet about like the VACS 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.800 scene and stuff like that, and you know how people 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.319 are saying like the vaccine is creating like blood cloths 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:09.319 and stuff like that that's causing people, young people to have, 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:13.360 you know, health issues. So I mean, just prayers up 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.080 to you know, Bronnie James, man, damn man. You first 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.640 practice and you know something like that happened you know, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.640 I can only imagine how Lebron and Savannah feels, you know, 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:23.440 hearing some. 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:23.920 News like that. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.160 I mean, it's terrible that people would assume anything. I 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.560 am one of those people who does feel like the 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.880 COVID nineteen vaccine was out too quickly. There was there 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.160 weren't enough studies on it. We do not know how 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.000 people's bodies are going to react to this until later 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.440 on down the line. I don't know that it's associated 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:44.600 to that, that his incident is associated to that, But 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.800 I also understand why a lot of people are fearful 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.600 of the effects of the COVID nineteen vaccine. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:56.920 We speaking of prayers of Jamie Fox has finally thank Yeah. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.160 Now, when I said this, When I brought this up, 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:00.640 y'all thought I was crazy. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.320 It's not a y'all situation. It's just that some people 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.120 hadn't heard that. People were upset about him not thanking them. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.920 I was not upset. I felt that if you were 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.840 mad at him, then you should have kept your prayers 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.400 because clearly it wasn't authentic. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.880 But is he a call? Is that him? 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:16.720 Man? 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:17.639 That's Jamie Fox? 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:18.840 It's BASICOK, A lot different. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.760 It looked longer I mean, he could have lost he 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.280 could have lost a little bit of way, you know, 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.160 been in the hospital, you know, for the time that 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.440 he was there. I just don't like the fact that 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:34.359 people feel like celebrities owe us something just because we're 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.480 sending prayers and because we're fans. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:38.800 That man still has a private life. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.120 He's still you know, he's Jamie Fox to us, you know, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.160 and he's somebody's dad, you know, he's somebody family members. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.560 So people got to keep in mind, man, these celebrities 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:49.520 don't owe us anything. 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.480 I mean, it's common decency to say thank you, you know, 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:56.679 when people send you love and prayers, thank you. The 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.760 story for people to have been in an uproar like 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.840 they word, like to not like give the man a 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.960 minute to come outside and enjoy himself. Like I promise 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.160 that man was gonna say thank you, Like relax, h 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.600 they got he's okay. I'm glad he's okay. And I'm 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:11.440 about to watch the movie. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.720 On Nesis, I watched the movie and it's really good 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:14.959 that movie. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.880 Man, you know, then I only saw the first like 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.720 fifteen minutes. It's crazy, Lawren, just because I was. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.040 Well, I'm a big fan Paris. I love that she 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.720 has been able to stretch her acting. She's been in 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:29.600 The Candy Man. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.680 You know, she's the main lady right in the movie. Oh, 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.040 she's hilarious. I love her away Now I got to 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:36.600 see it a. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.400 Movie. I just like, uh, what was it? What's the 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:42.200 old main character? 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.440 Yeah, the dude John boyeg yep, John Boyego. He is 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.680 hilarious on it. And you know he has such a 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.440 thick accent. But like when you see him in a movie. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:51.600 It's the dude. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.440 I mean that's the part of accent. You gotta throw, 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.600 you throw your voice, you gotta switch it up. He's 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:59.480 an amazing actor though, Like that man really molds into 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.560 any roll that he gets. Like I thought he was 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.120 a real thug, Like I thought he was a gangster 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.360 and American gangster at that. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.440 What about that? What about that chicken scene? 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:08.640 See, I don't know what you're talking about. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:10.760 It. 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.080 Yeah, but yeah, man, if you haven't seen They Clawed Tyrone, 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.320 definitely check it out. It's definitely I say, it's kind 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.880 of like Jordan peel Esk. It makes you really think, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.560 you know, watch it tonight, Yeah, it makes you really think. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.680 Let us know what you think about it. Check it out. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:33.440 It's on Netflix. 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.719 Carly Russell, y'all. I refrained from speaking about this story 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.120 or bringing it to this platform because it was so 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.880 many moving parts at the time, and now it's just 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:47.559 all coming together and making sense. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.080 She lied, y'all, Carly Russell, girl, let me tell you 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.919 how much I love you, how much I care about you. 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.360 I almost packed up the Mini well. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.000 For herd On souf can you give him a breakdown 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.360 or what happens? Okay? 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.880 So apparently Carly had called the law. She called her family. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.440 She was driving on the interstate and said that she 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.200 saw a time. I don't know what she was driving, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.880 whatever it was, she was driving a car saw toddler, 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.320 decided to get out to help the toddler, and then disappeared. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.000 Her personal belongings were still in her car. Her wig 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.240 was snatched up off her head and left in the car, 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:26.359 which furthermore led us to believe that she did get abducted. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.760 Somebody took this woman. So now everyone's looking for her. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.200 Her family's going crazy. Social media done got a hold 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.400 of it. Black folks want her to come home. I 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.599 almost packed up the Mini and drove to Hoover to 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.360 go find you girl, and you was at a hotel. 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:44.000 You was checked in at a hotel while the world 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.359 was going crazy looking for your sorry ass, and you 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:48.320 was okay. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.440 And real women missing out here, real women. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:55.400 Well, something's not right now. It could be just for Cloud, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.240 it could be for men in a in a different 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.560 type of way, like maybe she's not together all the way. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.040 Maybe she wanted to make her boyfriend mad or something. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.880 I don't know what it was, but I don't think 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.360 that she intended for it to get this big. I 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.159 think she thought it was gonna be a local, little thing. 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.520 She was just making her family mad, her boyfriend mad, 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.000 and the thing went global. I don't think she meant 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:17.880 for it to blow up like that. 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.320 You know what made me mad? If she sent the 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.039 damn lawyer to tell. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.800 Us she was lying, she was gonna tell you herself. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.160 She should apologize to the whole world. 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.240 For her to feel that shame, Yeah, feel that shame 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.280 because she has so many people supporting her. I've seen 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.440 so many blogs posting about her, so many people that 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.240 I follow posting about her like this. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:39.320 Did you call you girl? 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:39.800 Ooh? 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.080 Did you post about her? 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:41.800 No? 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:46.200 I mean, it's just really unfortunate. There are so many 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.000 people lost in real life. I mean I lost, but 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.520 have been abducted in real life. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.360 And you took the taxpayer's money. 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.320 You know, the people got paid taxes for those resources. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.000 Now now she she may be looking at the criminal tale. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.400 I hope she don't go to jail, man, I hope she. 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:03.920 I don't want to see nobody go to jail. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.760 I don't think she should go to jail before they 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.960 do an evaluation, like, let's make sure she's okay mentally. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.520 Let's see what's going on with her jail. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.440 She's obviously not there mentally. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.800 If you come up with a lie to say that 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.000 you got kidnapped and got to be there. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.600 She could be together mentally and just made a bad decision. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.760 A lot of people are saying it has to do 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:25.400 with her boyfriend. She was trying to get his attention. 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.840 What do you guys think your boyfriend got your back? 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.160 He still got your back till this day. Okay, he 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.760 will he offended. He defended you the first time, the 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.720 first day one he defended you again the other day. Y'all, man, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:39.160 I don't know how. It seemed like he gives you 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.080 a lot of attention. It seems like he gives you 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.160 unconditional love, because the way my man would have left 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.680 me if this was me her, that man love you. 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.840 I don't know what money you want from him, Jesus, 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.840 I'm just gonna hope that's not the reason why she 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.520 said that she was kidnapped. He's gonna pop up at 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.920 the house two days later after enjoying home service while 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.680 the whole world was going crazy about you, girl, I 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.320 almost drove to Hoover, Alabama on your pie. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.560 Think about it. You know what, the cops probably was thinking, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.200 we don't show up. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.360 But you know what, the sad truth is, the sat 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.080 truth is, that's probably what she thought. You know what's 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.120 gonna happen. They was gonna ignore it, and it'll just 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:21.520 be like a little family. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.920 A woman missing that They don't care about girls. 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.160 You said, she thought it was gonna be micro small. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.440 Yeah yeah, and she could just give her a boyfriend 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:31.240 a little heart attack. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:36.360 Yeah up. We don't all lied before. Okay, we don't 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.000 all lie before. Now, sometimes we have told a big lie, 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.080 but it was to a small group or a small scenario. 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.080 It didn't blow up. She lied. It blew up. Now 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:45.800 look at you. You know lost your damn job. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.400 Well, speaking of more ruckers in the social media streets, 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:55.640 just hilarious. You know, in this whole trends community, have 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:56.760 you all been keeping up with that? 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:01.200 The audacity and just the arrogance for SIS women to 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.640 believe that they own periods, that they own womanhood. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:06.959 You don't. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.160 Okay, you don't own periods. 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:10.680 You don't own womanhood. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.720 You experience both and both are different for every person, 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.280 but as a SIS woman, it doesn't belong to you, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.120 so you can't gatekeep it gay. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.440 Wait wait wait, wait, whoa whoa whoa whoa? 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.920 Okay, who the fuck stands up for us? And us? 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:28.520 I mean women, real women, biological women, women who were 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.800 born with all the parts that you, guys wish that 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:31.240 you were. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:33.880 When does the delusion stop? 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:34.199 No? 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.280 Really, who is protecting women? Because we just all out 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.400 here getting our ass handed to us, fighting for our life. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:44.240 I don't have a problem with the way anybody chooses 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.760 to live their life. If a transgender wants to be 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.080 known as something other than what they were born as, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.080 I don't have a problem with it. If that is 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.120 who you believe that you are, I support that. I 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:00.520 don't support the community calling now natural born women's women. 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.640 I'm not a CIS woman. I'm just a woman. Sorry 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.959 that I have a natural period. I cannot help that. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.439 And I promise you I'm not gatekeeping no period. If 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:12.679 I could switch with you, I would, okay, Like I. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.040 We don't want no period. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:13.960 We don't want to. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:18.240 Plead everyone pms, the cramps, like come on now, and 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.439 to be disrespected at that too, like come on, we 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.920 don't want that. But gatekeeping is a reach to say 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.079 that we're gatekeeping periods is a reach. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:29.120 The whole gatekeeping periods through me, Like, I'm like, huh. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.800 Just because you're a woman and you bleed, you possess 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:37.000 both those things. You don't own womanhood. I don't think 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.080 anybody is trying to say that we own anything. But 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.559 we are natural born women. We're going to have what natural? 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:46.320 That's it? 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.120 Like we accept I accept you for who you are, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.040 respect me. That's it. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:56.640 So what is I heard this? I was just That's 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.240 exactly what I was about to ask. What is what 0:10:58.280 --> 0:10:59.160 assist woman means? 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.160 I don't know the only transgender people called natural women 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:03.720 CIS women? 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:07.080 Like what the so? Then tis Madison goes into it 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.040 and she says, there are so many real women, they 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:14.040 get mistaken for being transgender women, and that's where a 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.360 lot of the anger comes from. I do hope they 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.400 take a good look at how transphobia affects all women. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.200 For you to make that comment, you are completely disregarding 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:29.120 the hurdles and the challenges that natural born women go through. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.640 You are doing to natural born women what you don't 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.800 want done to you. You are discrediting our experience, you 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.280 are belittling who we are. You're literally doing to us 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:39.440 what you don't want done to you. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.600 That's crazy, I think, just like how they have so 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.959 many rules, you know, that we have to follow and 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.000 make them feel comfortable, like we should be okay with 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:50.640 saying I don't want to be called sis. 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.160 That's it, and I'm not. I'm not a I'm just 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.560 a woman, that's it. Like I never heard of the 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:02.400 term CIS women prior to the revolution, essentially, you know, 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.040 being as big as it is. I don't have a 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:08.200 problem with you fighting for representation because you matter. Representation matters. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.680 There are millions of other people that are going through 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:15.360 identity crisis. They're trying to find themselves. I respect your journey. Cool, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.920 no problem, Do not call me a woman. I'm just 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.080 a woman. Don't call me anything to appease what you 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.559 want to do or be for yourself, Like don't And. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.440 This revolution kind of like as you just stated, kind 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:31.040 of happened for you know, posts growing up because I 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:32.800 didn't grow up learning that. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.880 I don't know anything about it. That's another thing. So 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.240 many people within that community, not everybody obviously, but so 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.360 many people in that community are mad at what we 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.480 don't know. We're learning right now. We're open to learning, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.600 We're open to receiving who you are and understanding your world. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.000 But you not gonna slam me every single chance that 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.280 you get and disrespect me for just being a woman. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.520 I am just that, That's all I am. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.640 And maybe we can get a little bit more clarity 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.960 on it, like we invite to as in any other 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.520 trans gendered people to come and educate us here on 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:06.320 the Baller Alert Show. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.800 Open dialogue, just open, respectful dialogue. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.080 Well we about to have some open dialogue because Angel 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.840 from the Spice Sweet stop about the Bailer Alert Show 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.280 even get spicy right here. 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.480 We'll be right back with more of the Baller Alert Show. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.640 You're listening to a special edition of the Baller Alert Show. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.960 Te Se, y'all, this is Angel Gregorio and you are 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:32.839 now tuned into the Baller Alert Show. Miss Angel in 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.400 the building of the Bler Alert Show. Let's take it 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:39.559 back to the beginning. So I started in education randomly. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.560 I started working at a youth jail, and I thought 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.440 that I wanted to become a forensic psychologist. I have 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.160 multiple degrees in psychology, and I knew I wanted to 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.240 work before I talk to crazy people, not crazy, talk 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.720 to folks impacted by mass incarceration, okay, right, And I 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:54.840 knew that I wanted to do that. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:56.520 The audience. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.080 Forensic yeah, no, Forensic psychology is working with folks who 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.320 were impacted by the justice system. And I knew I 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.800 wanted to work in the justice system because I have brothers. 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.240 My mother and father have all been incarcerated. I have 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.680 brothers to brothers serving life in prison, and so for me, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.480 I wanted to go back and hopefully be the person 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.120 that I wish they had saw that could have changed 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.800 their trajectory. And when I went into the prison thinking 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.240 I was on this path to psychology, I met this 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.080 girl who became my best friend, who was a math teacher, 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.240 and I saw her teaching, and it made me realize 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.720 that I wanted to impact the kids like that, and 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.040 so I went back and got certified to teach, and 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:31.920 then I ended up becoming a teacher dean and then 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.600 an assistant principle and stayed in education and thought I 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.160 would be in education forever until you know, I became 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:38.880 a spice girl. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.280 How many siblings do you have. I have four siblings, 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.480 and two out of the four are both server licenses. Yes, wow, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.280 how is that affected your family? 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.160 I mean it's lost, right, so it's grief. I think 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.760 that folks don't realize that having folks who are incarcerated 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.280 is a lot like losing them. And I don't want 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.480 to pit pain against pain, but it almost feels like 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.880 even more difficult because they're here. So it's like you 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.320 can see them, but you can't touch them in a 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.240 way that you want to. You can talk to them, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.000 but the conversations are very different. Where you're watching them 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.560 grow up there watching you grow. But you guys really 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.000 still don't understand each other. Right, Like my brothers and 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.960 I have a very nuanced relationship because we've grown so 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.680 much over the years that they've been incarcerated. And they 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.680 think they know me, but they don't. And it's same 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.200 for me. I think I know who they are, but 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.600 I don't really know them. But those are my brothers. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.920 So there's some like real intense grief around not being 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.360 able to love your siblings the way you want to 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.640 love them due to the circumstances impacking them. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.960 Are you the only person in your immediate family who 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:37.280 has not been arrested? 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.600 I am the only person in my immediate family that's 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:40.520 not been in prison year. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.960 So what's the difference between you and everyone else in 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:43.360 your family? 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.360 I think I tell people that all the time. We 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:45.920 are the same. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.720 My brothers and I have the same We have the 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.560 same mentality, we have the same hustle, we have the 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.960 same drive. We just have a different product. Right, Like 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.920 where they chose cocaine and weed, I chose you know, 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.720 other things. And I also was attached to different people, 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.640 my friends. My circle of friends was very different. Education, 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.080 which is why I went into education treats boys and 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:07.000 girls very different. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:07.200 Right. 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:08.600 I had a smart mouth and still do. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.520 But when I had a smart mouth, it was just 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:13.120 you know, a note on a report card talks too much. 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.200 But when my brothers got smart. They went to the 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.320 office because they were aggressive, and then that led to suspensions, 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.360 and then there's the school to prison pipeline that starts 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:21.920 to happen. So I think it just makes me think 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.400 about how we need to treat boys and girls more 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.480 similarly when it comes to how we redirect behavior, because 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:29.760 we don't know the path that we're putting them on 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.760 when we started punishing them, you know, too harshly, too early. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:35.480 That's an interesting statement. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.120 It makes me want to bring up about what Florida's 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.560 doing with the educational system. How do you feel about, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.200 you know, what their governor is doing and trying to 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.600 you know, a race. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.440 Yeah, I mean it's so it's criminal period. It is 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.480 also exactly what white people have been doing in this 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:54.560 country for centuries. 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:54.920 Right. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.720 So it's almost like how we talked about Trump when 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.800 Trump was in office. I think every black person talked 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.240 about how he's just put in a spot on, you know, 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.720 the issues of racism that have always existed, what the 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.160 Santus is doing and Florida is not foreign to any 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:09.040 of us, right Like, And the the part of it 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.480 that is difficult is we can keep the black history 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.399 in the textbooks, but the educator is still not teaching 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:18.040 it right, so he's just saying, let's take it out, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.680 which is trash, right, and it's trifling. But we still 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.960 have educators who look like us, who aren't teaching our 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:24.919 kids the history that they need to line in school. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.119 So we just need to do a whole reform of 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.439 the education system, the prison system, all of it. But 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.359 I'm also an abolitionist. I don't believe in the prison system. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.720 I believe in reform and abolishing it completely. So my 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.720 views are really radical around things like. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.000 That, because it just seems like Florida is making it 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.240 a big deal. Like it doesn't seem like people in 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.600 Florida really making it a big deal. It's kind of 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.679 like something that you actually got to go read about 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.440 and like actually go do your own research to see 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:51.159 what's going on. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.480 And I think that's the issue with us relying on 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.600 our media to tell stories about things that are impacting 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.600 us the same way. You know, I spoke to a 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.399 group of kids who came to the Spice sweet to 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.840 visit me last week, and we were talking about travel, 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.439