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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants hut.

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Speaker 2: Let's Giants, get my Giants bubble, give me some jump.

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Speaker 3: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's Roll.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to our usual Tuesday episode of the Giants Tottle Podcast,

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Speaker 4: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 4: New York Football Giants. John Shl Sean O'Hara with you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Johnny. I'm I'm doing buddy.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing okay better than I was a couple of

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Speaker 3: days ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm hanging by a thread, man. I'm reading.

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Speaker 2: I'm reading the books called Don't Jump right now. That's

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Speaker 2: a that's a scene from Wedding Crashers from the movie

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Speaker 2: Buffs out there.

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Speaker 3: It is help books. Now.

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Speaker 4: We're not gonna focus very much on the Cowboys game

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Speaker 4: because you go back to the previous episode of the

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Speaker 4: Giants Tuttle Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Sean was that with Maddelin right after the game, reacting

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Speaker 3: to it.

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Speaker 4: So, uh, no need to to to rehash a lot

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Speaker 4: of those details, but I will give you a chance.

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Speaker 4: Two days off of that forty nine to seventeen defeat,

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Speaker 4: you've had time to ruminate.

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Speaker 3: To stew, to boil, to simmer.

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Speaker 4: What is your kind of overall takeaway walking away from

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Speaker 4: that game, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I'm frustrated at here we are at this point

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Speaker 2: in the season and we're still just having a hard

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Speaker 2: time with the elementary aspect of football, which is blocking.

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Speaker 2: And look the Dallas Cowboys defense. Look, they're one of

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Speaker 2: the best in the league, and we saw it in

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Speaker 2: Week one. Rear its ugly head. But in order to

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Speaker 2: be successful offensively, you've got a block and you've got

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 1: Consistent with that.

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Speaker 2: So until we get that figured out, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be tough sledding. I thought Tommy DeVito, like going

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Speaker 2: into his very first start of his NFL career on

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Speaker 2: the road against Dallas prime time, dealing with the noise,

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Speaker 2: and your very first start, you're the first drive of

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Speaker 2: your first start is on the three inch line. I

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Speaker 2: will say this, Look, there are mistakes that Tommy DeVito made,

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Speaker 2: there are good throws at Tommy DeVito made. But the

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Speaker 2: thing that I appreciate the most is this kid did

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Speaker 2: not flinch, and he did not look he didn't look

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Speaker 2: like like the stage was too big for him.

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Speaker 3: Like there was a play shown.

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Speaker 4: Just to give an example to be up here real quick,

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Speaker 4: idn't mean they drop j I apologize. But there was

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Speaker 4: a play where the first quick read I think was

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Speaker 4: like a third and five was a third of the right.

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Speaker 4: It was supposed to get slating on a little stop route. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and Stephan Gilmore baited him. He sat in the off position. Actually,

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Speaker 4: I think it was Curse because Gilmore and the man

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Speaker 4: on man covered Curse was on the safety on that side,

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Speaker 4: and he read the play and as soon as he

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Speaker 4: turned that way, Curse broke on the ball. And if

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Speaker 4: Tommy dividor throws that pass, it's a pick six the

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Speaker 4: other way. And he held it and he saw Curse.

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Speaker 4: He did not just do the what the robot program

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Speaker 4: on this play, which is supposed to do. He saw

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Speaker 4: it now he ended up holding it taking a sack.

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Speaker 4: But I feel like most other first start underredded rookie

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks throws that pass and Jayron Curse is running the

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Speaker 4: other way with with a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's definitely growth there, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's something to definitely hang your hat on. The toughness

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Speaker 2: aspect of it, Like, he took some big shots, some

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Speaker 2: it was like, oh, my gosh, like, is Barkley coming

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Speaker 2: in the game, and you know his arm looks like

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Speaker 2: his numb and dangling, and you know what, he shook

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Speaker 2: it off note like like I'm getting up, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm playing, Like like there was no look in his

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Speaker 2: you know what I want out of this game or

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Speaker 2: I don't belong here. So I thought that was big.

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Speaker 2: And then the way that they finished, like, look, I

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Speaker 1: At the end of the game didn't mean anything.

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Speaker 2: It didn't affect the spread, it didn't affect anything other

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Speaker 2: than guess what Toma Devido can he can make some throws.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that he threw for two touchdowns, like

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Speaker 2: something we've been great at for the last couple of years,

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Speaker 2: passing touchdowns. So I think that was something that you

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Speaker 2: can kind of build on, you know, hopefully that translates

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Speaker 2: and now into next week you see them kind of

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Speaker 2: layering some things. But Andrew Thomas going down was gonna

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Speaker 2: be a huge blow if he didn't make it back in,

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Speaker 2: and thankfully he came back in the game.

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Speaker 1: But what a luxury is to have a guy.

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Speaker 2: Like Justin Pugh who could slide literally seamlessly from guard

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Speaker 2: to tackle and then back into guard. So hopefully that

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Speaker 2: stay on the field on third down, string some drives

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Speaker 2: together and score some points. You look around the league

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Speaker 2: right now, there were six games one this past week

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Speaker 2: on a game ending field goal like never never done

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Speaker 2: before in the NFL. It's an NFL record, So you

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Speaker 2: kind of ask yourself, like, what's worse losing on a

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Speaker 2: last second field goal or losing the way the Buffalo

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Speaker 2: then there's a penalty in that, or losing like the

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Speaker 2: Giants did or the Dallas Cowboys. Look, losing stinks in

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Speaker 2: any way, shape or form. But you know, I think,

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Speaker 2: I think when you look around the league, like there's

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Speaker 2: hopefully the Giants can get on the right side of

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Speaker 2: all of that.

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Speaker 4: And look, if they want to play in some more

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Speaker 4: of these close games. Sewn with Tommy Devido, is you

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Speaker 4: just starting quarterback at least for two more games.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 4: Tyrod Taylor will be eligible to return after the bye week.

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Speaker 4: You have Washington, New England heading into this game against Dallas.

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Speaker 4: We knew it was gonna be tough slogging for the offense. Dallas'

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Speaker 4: defense is too good. The Giants defense had to step

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Speaker 4: and they failed to do that. And it's a second

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Speaker 4: straight week. They give up twenty points in the first

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Speaker 4: half to Vegas when they hadn't scored twenty points in

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Speaker 4: a game all year long. Then Dallas, they give up

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Speaker 4: twenty eight points in the first half, and they did

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Speaker 4: that quarto flat interception. It was a great trap coverage.

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Speaker 4: It was really well disguised. I had to go back

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Speaker 4: on tape and watch the play seven or eight times.

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Speaker 4: Then A Wink still had to explain to me when

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Speaker 4: I saw him in the cafeteria what they were trying

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Speaker 4: to do on it. But Sean, this defense has to

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Speaker 4: step up and play better, especially this week against the

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Speaker 4: Washington team. Look, they scored twenty six against Seattle. Sam

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Speaker 4: Howell leads the NFL in passing yards. But this is

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Speaker 4: not the Dallas Cowboys, this is not the Philadelphia Eagles,

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Speaker 4: this is not the forty nine ers. This Giant defense

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Speaker 4: has to play better, and they have the ability to

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Speaker 4: play better, but they certainly have in the last couple

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Speaker 2: No, it's a great point, and you know, just to

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Speaker 2: kind of says fresh on my mind. I think back

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Speaker 2: The first play of the game, James Cook coughs the

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Speaker 2: on offense to all a sudden, sudden change. Their defense

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Speaker 2: has to come out on the field and what do

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Speaker 2: they do. They make the Broncos kick a field goal,

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Speaker 2: They hold them to that and instead of it being

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Speaker 2: to nothing. They did that multiple times and it kept

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Speaker 2: good job of that all season long, defensively, with the

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Speaker 2: this last week to Leonard Williams effect of not having

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Speaker 2: able to stop the run. Josh Jacobs went off against

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Speaker 2: he basically rushed for one hundred yards against the Giants himself.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, against Dallas, they couldn't stop the

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Speaker 3: Dad had a couple of explosive runs against that.

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Speaker 2: And that, to me is the number one aspect of

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Speaker 2: a defense. Stop the run. We have to stop the run.

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Speaker 2: They have not been able to do that two weeks

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Speaker 2: in a row now. And when you do that, then

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Speaker 2: you make third down a little bit better, you make

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Speaker 2: it a little bit tougher on the offense. Now it's

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Speaker 2: third and seven, third and six, you can get after

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Speaker 2: the quarterback. We have not seen much quarterback pressure two

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Speaker 2: weeks in a row now, zero sacks against the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: It was just one quarterback pressure and was Mike mcfatten.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't even anybody up front. So things those two

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Speaker 2: to me go hand in hand. You've got to earn

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Speaker 2: get after there. You know what, That's gotta be of

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Speaker 2: utmost importance for both Winkmarin Dell and for this Giants defense.

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Speaker 4: When I went back, I thought Dexter Lawrence and a

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Speaker 4: Shot Robinson were both good against the run. They had

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Speaker 4: a couple issues when those guys weren't in the game.

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Speaker 4: Is this not having Leonard Williams there issue, Sean and

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Speaker 4: it kind of is a trickle down effect from that,

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably a little bit of both. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Leonard Williams losing him as a player in the run game,

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Speaker 2: he was a tough tackle. I mean he was a

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Speaker 2: tough defensive tackle to block. Any time you want to

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Speaker 2: run the football, well, your guards have to do a

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Speaker 2: great job, especially against guys like Leonnard Williams. So for

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Speaker 2: Ashaan robertson coming in, you know, look, it's you're not

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Speaker 2: little bit of that to the aspect. I also think

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Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys have one of the best offensive lines

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Speaker 2: in the league, so that's a big part of it

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Speaker 2: as well. This will be a different challenge against the

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Speaker 2: Washington Commanders. Obviously, Dexter Lawrence. You go back to the

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Speaker 2: Week seven matchup, Dexter Lawrence had his way with this

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Speaker 2: commander's offensive line, specifically Nick Gates, Like Dexter was just

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Speaker 3: So Nick, he's lost his job because of it. He's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so that's basically you know, if you

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Speaker 2: look at Dexter Lawrence, like he's got to have another

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Speaker 2: big game like that. Obviously, Keveon Thibodeau left that game

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Speaker 2: against Dallas due to concussion, so we'll wait and see

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Speaker 2: if his availability on that. But anytime you have a

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Speaker 5: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 5: So go to that retreat, knew you move to the country.

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Speaker 5: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 5: you ready for all that life brings?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: It shows you as a team effort too, because Sean

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Speaker 2: Push the pocket, get that quarterback under theresk, make him

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Speaker 4: get easier this week. Not to say Washington is not

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Speaker 4: what did you take away from that first matchup against Washington?

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Speaker 2: Well, certainly you go back and you look they held

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Speaker 4: And we'll see about injuries by the way, the Deontay

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Speaker 2: Dory missed the Dallas game. Tay Banks and Cordell both

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Speaker 2: Is Darnay Holmes you know another factor in this in

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Speaker 2: And defensively where the fourth he is like, keep everything

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Speaker 4: And Sean, I want to see this offense move the

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Speaker 4: ball a little bit, all right, Yeah, the Jets defense

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Speaker 3: The Giants could not move the ball well against them.

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Speaker 4: They're a really good defense, Dallas Cowboys defense, really good defense.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: They did not move the ball well enough against Vegas,

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Speaker 4: There's no mont that Sweat anymore, no Chase Young anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there should be some big chunk plays out there.

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Speaker 1: That's just not ideal.

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Speaker 2: This is a tough stretch in the schedule. Obviously a

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Speaker 3: Two the right call.

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Speaker 1: By that way, I agree wholeheartedly. It's the right call.

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Speaker 2: We saw Sean Payton do the same thing on Monday

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Speaker 3: And you don't know when you need to be back

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I saw that at least once or twice in

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Speaker 3: The whole game.

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Speaker 4: So stuff like that has to be better for sure

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Speaker 4: A couple of big picture stuff Sean here before we

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Speaker 4: say goodbye our folks, Howard and Mattamore coming in here

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Speaker 4: to do BBK. But a lot was made of what

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Speaker 4: post game show I won't give mine. I thought it

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Speaker 4: don't you want that to happen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean the head coach should probably care and that

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Speaker 3: you gave up twenty eight points.

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Speaker 2: No, I have zero concerns about that, And to be

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Speaker 2: conversation too, Hey we're down this guy, this guy and

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Speaker 2: this guy okay, and they did a yeah pot And

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Speaker 2: that affects the special teams as well. There's all kinds

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Speaker 2: of communications with Hey, do we have that package anymore? No,

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Speaker 2: I remember that blitz we put in for the Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can't run it because Tay Banks is out and

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Speaker 2: so is Cardiff floted. So there's a lot of things

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Speaker 2: you have.

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Speaker 1: To iron out.

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Speaker 2: The communication is a paramount you have to have that.

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Speaker 2: I would be more concerned if they didn't talk, if

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Speaker 2: they were like, stay a hell away from me, don't

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Speaker 2: come anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Near me, then I would be worried.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like that whole thing, like if you're married,

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Speaker 2: it's like your wife's giving you the solid treatment, Like

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Speaker 2: that might be worse than actually talking out, hashing it out.

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Speaker 2: But I don't see any issues with that. And you

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Speaker 2: know players too, same thing. Look on game day, like

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Speaker 2: everybody's fired up, everybody gets frustrated. I've yelled at coaches before.

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Speaker 2: I've a coaches yelled at me.

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Speaker 3: If you're down twenty, I want you to be mad. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: I want you to be mad.

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Speaker 2: I want you to be upset with it and be frustrated, like,

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Speaker 2: don't just take it lined down.

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Speaker 4: And again, it's not like you're arguing yelling about all

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Speaker 4: with me and me, I want the ball.

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Speaker 3: It's about me. This is about team performance.

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Speaker 2: I actually I don't have the opposite John because I

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Speaker 2: feel like I feel like this would be that would

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Speaker 2: have been the game, and that would have been the

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Speaker 2: time when you see like players just being like, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's it, tapping out And I didn't see.

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, exactly, go down.

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Speaker 1: They scored a.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown like guys were playing their hearts out. I don't

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Speaker 2: feel like this locker room has any of that dissension.

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Speaker 2: And look, I mean this locker room has been through

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Speaker 2: a lot. Like Daniel Jones was hurt, then he came back,

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Speaker 2: Now he's hurt again. Tyrod Taylor comes in, Now he's

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Speaker 2: hurt now, Tommy DeVito's in. Like the quarterback, when you

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Speaker 2: start losing your quarterback and your backup quarterback all of

482
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Speaker 2: a sudden, you start to kind of lose your identity

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Speaker 2: and your leadership offensively because your quarterback kind of needs

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Speaker 2: to be that guy. Saguan has tried to step up.

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Speaker 2: Every time they showed Saquon on the sideline. He's going

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Speaker 2: around and kind of like pumping guys up. He's trying

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Speaker 2: to really put this team on his back. And so

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Speaker 2: I actually feel like the leadership has been good from

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Speaker 2: that aspect. I think Andrew Thomas is a quiet leader.

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Speaker 2: Justin Pugh has been a great addition to that. Hey,

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Speaker 2: one of those glue guys keeping everybody together. I don't

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Speaker 2: see dissension amongst the troops. They're frustrated, they're upset, But

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Speaker 2: at no point do I look at this team and say, man,

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Speaker 2: they are yfunctional, because that's not the case.

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Speaker 4: All right, So put on your old giant's helmet. You

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Speaker 4: were a captain for this team. You're a veteran leader

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Speaker 4: in the locker room. A lot of the younger guys,

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Speaker 4: especially you come from big college programs and big high

499
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Speaker 4: school programs, have never lost like this. This is new

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Speaker 4: for them. This is like WHOA, what's happening. There's probably

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Speaker 4: been some older players like a Keavon Thibadau who's in

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Speaker 4: the second year. He's probably never lost games like this before.

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Speaker 4: So as a veteran and a captain, what do you

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Speaker 4: say to some of your teammates to make sure what

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Speaker 4: you're talking about doesn't start to happen?

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Speaker 3: What does the mindset have to.

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Speaker 4: Be and how do you kind of communicate to your

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Speaker 4: teammates about how you have to handle now these final

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Speaker 4: seven games?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really can I trust that you're gonna give

511
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Speaker 2: you all for me and I'm gonna give my all

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Speaker 2: for you, and it's that becomes we're playing for each other.

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Speaker 2: You know, the world is against you, mentality, whatever you

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Speaker 2: want to call it, it's look, I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go out there and I'm gonna play my butt off

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Speaker 2: out of respect for you because I know you're doing

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Speaker 2: the same thing. So it's that accountability factor that has

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Speaker 2: to come in. And look, you're getting paid to play

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Speaker 2: the game. You're getting paid to win the game, all right,

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Speaker 2: And I think that as a pro that's one of

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Speaker 2: the tough things as a young guy is learning like

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Speaker 2: this is a business. I will remind everybody in the

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Speaker 2: locker room, we will not be here together again. The

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Speaker 2: same group of guys will not be here next year.

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Speaker 2: There are guys that will leave via free agency. There

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Speaker 2: are guys that will be cut, there are guys that

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Speaker 2: will be traded. We will bring in new guys.

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Speaker 1: You will not make the team.

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Speaker 2: So like, don't take for granted to the locker room

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Speaker 2: right now and the guys you're playing with and the

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Speaker 2: fact that you have this time right now together as

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Speaker 2: a team. Look the record, like throw that out the window.

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Speaker 2: Every single week you get a chance to compete and

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Speaker 2: to go out there and to do something that you

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Speaker 2: dreamed about as a kid. You get to play in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. That is what's paramount, and that's what they

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Speaker 2: need to focus on.

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Speaker 4: Sean, always a pleasure, my friend, Good stuff, Thanks Sho,

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Speaker 3: Next couple of days, we're gonna have our papist perspective.

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