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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, what's the stuff to Blow your Mind?

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb. Hey, I'm Christian Seger and

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe McCormick, and all three of us are in

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Speaker 1: the same room at the same time. First time. It's

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Speaker 1: first Yeah, and it's a good time for us all

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Speaker 1: to get together because the mail bot that we use

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Speaker 1: on this show has been out of service for a

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Speaker 1: couple of months now, Old Arnie, Yeah, Arney, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to reboot the robot. We're going to have to

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Speaker 1: make sure that it imprints on you guys as as

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Speaker 1: new hosts, because we want to avoid any unnecessary, uh complications. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: except didn't I hear that We're gonna have to reboot

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Speaker 1: it under the new name Carney, with the C standing

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Speaker 1: for Cartesian doubt, the newest feature of the mail bot. Yes, yeah, because, uh,

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Speaker 1: I mean enough programming has changed on it. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: reject its old name. I'm not a roboticist. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the poticulars on it, but but yeah, we need it,

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Speaker 1: and we also need to make sure that it has

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Speaker 1: all three of the laws of robotics. Installed this time.

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Speaker 1: I've heard enough about this around the office that I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of nervous. I mean, hasn't attacked other podcasts before. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is why Scott Benjamin had to have all his

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Speaker 1: limbs sewn back one, that's why. Okay, well then that's

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Speaker 1: where he got the tail. Well, there were extra pieces

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Speaker 1: of and it's like ikea, you know, you could assemble it,

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Speaker 1: there's something missing what you need to you can't put

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Speaker 1: it back in the box. I'm always afraid to ask him.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's just a personal guy, doesn't doesn't like

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Speaker 1: to talk about stuff like that. Yeah, alright, so let's uh,

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Speaker 1: let's see flip the switch. Okay, Joe, can you get

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Speaker 1: that one? Yeah? All right, now, Christian can you pull

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Speaker 1: that back? That metal contraption to the big one? Yeah? Okay, okay, whoa,

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Speaker 1: what is with this sall blade? Well? Well that's um,

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Speaker 1: that's a different feature. Okay, push that back in, okay, okay, alright, okay,

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Speaker 1: Now see this metal flower thing opening up there like

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Speaker 1: an iron Maiden. Why is it presenting us pills? Um?

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Speaker 1: Those are optional, but you do need to stick your

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Speaker 1: face into this contraption real quick. This reminds me of

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Speaker 1: those robots in that movie R Runaways. Oh well that

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Speaker 1: that's a predecessor. Okay, prototype for Arnie. But hold on,

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Speaker 1: so you put your face in the flower. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then it's going to imprint, and then we can be

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Speaker 1: able to actually deliver the listener mail to us and

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Speaker 1: we can read through some of them. I think you did.

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Speaker 1: If you think I got to oh wait, didn't do

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Speaker 1: it again? Well, that's perfect, that's perfect. I'm not putting

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Speaker 1: my face in that thing. Well you wipe it down first,

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Speaker 1: the spray. Oh all right, I think they got to. Look,

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Speaker 1: it's folding up and everything. Uh, seems to be coming online,

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Speaker 1: all right. Now, we just have to see if Arnie

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Speaker 1: responds graciously or if it activates its latest Okay, are

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Speaker 1: you ever going to explain the sol blade or um?

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Speaker 1: That feature may become necessary later on right now, No,

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Speaker 1: don't worry about that. All right, there, he is all right,

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Speaker 1: you're accepted. Arnie seems to be operating, uh more or

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Speaker 1: less a long design parameters. Carney Carney, Yes, sorry, Carney,

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Speaker 1: I got your name wrong. All right, Carney, you're online,

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Speaker 1: bring us some listener mail. What do you got for us? Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm a newer listener of HSW and a big fan

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Speaker 1: of your podcasts and all the HSW shows. You get

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Speaker 1: me through long, lonely train rides to and from New

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Speaker 1: York City and where I live in New Jersey. I

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Speaker 1: just listened to your episode on Stigmata and heard you

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Speaker 1: reference the wound on the side of Jesus as happening

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Speaker 1: Christian myself, but raised in such a manner with a

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Speaker 1: Bible hungry aunt that's sounds awful. I have always known

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Speaker 1: the story different. After my punch and some quick research,

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Speaker 1: I think the wound was given after he had been

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Speaker 1: that he had been hanging for hours and hours, long

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Speaker 1: after typical people who are crucified would live. The Roman

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Speaker 1: centurion was seen as a do gooder, giving Jesus mercy

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Speaker 1: and making sure he was dead after his marathon of torture.

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Speaker 1: The unnamed soldier is also credited with saying, quote, truly,

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Speaker 1: keep up the great work, thanks for reading, Michael. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: hate to call it canon, but I suppose it is canon.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the final blow to make sure everybody knows, okay,

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Speaker 1: he's really, really, actually dead. So it's like it's a

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Speaker 1: compassionate thing from the way that Michael's making it sound

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Speaker 1: if the gospel narrative is is much No, not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Gospel narrative is much trying to

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Speaker 1: it's more serving the purpose of demonstrating to the reader

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Speaker 1: wondering like, oh, maybe he wasn't dead, Oh, like he

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Speaker 1: game of thrownes spoiler. I'm going to keep that to myself. Yeah, now,

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Speaker 1: I I also want to point out Bible hungry aunt

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Speaker 1: that's what was going on there. All right, Michael, thank

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Speaker 1: Philosophical Society in Philadelphia. It is basically an astrolabe manufactured

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Speaker 1: in the mid sixteenth century in Germany. The gnomon of

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Speaker 1: the sundial aspect of the object is a turbaned man,

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Speaker 1: indicating either the intention or origin as a timetelling in

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Speaker 1: in Isaiah where God turns back time. The device purports

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Speaker 1: in the Miracle and Isaiah. This was, however, before the

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Speaker 1: as the Schlisser Dial, after the smith whose name was

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Speaker 1: and adds that he will miss Julie. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: for that email, Jonathan. This is really interesting, indeed, and

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Speaker 1: us from from listener art Art rights in and says,

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Speaker 1: stop eating octopy because of their intelligence? Maybe a little

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Speaker 1: octopi are not shay shy about cannibalism. They are very

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Speaker 1: But honestly, can you still feel bad about eating octopuses

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Speaker 1: now they eat each other? You're welcome, enjoy your sushi

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Speaker 1: these amazing, if occasionally gruesome observations revealed that octopus has

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Speaker 1: in the other podcast about people cutting off literally sting

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Speaker 1: off their nose, despite their face, because of the term

425
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Speaker 1: despite your face. It just seems to me like we

426
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Speaker 1: we sat down and we looked at the stigmata as

427
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Speaker 1: a actual occurrence, what could possibly have caused it, whether

428
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Speaker 1: it was disease, self mutilation, uh, psychosomatic situations, what have you. Uh,

429
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Speaker 1: And yeah, let's do it. We should for for Nick,

430
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Speaker 1: I think we should do something on DC comics. I'd

431
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Speaker 1: be happy with anything. Yeah, totally. I mean, yeah, Ultimately,

432
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Speaker 1: we approached stigmata, even though at the heart you have

433
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Speaker 1: a purported supernatural event, approached it from a scientific standpoint,

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Speaker 1: psychological standpoint, you know, and also just looking at just

435
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Speaker 1: the way we think about these things from you know,

436
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Speaker 1: a mythic standpoint, how it factors into worldview, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's all part of what we do here. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you know, to say too, I think that he was

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Speaker 1: disappointed that we uh respected stigmata objectively within the episod,

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Speaker 1: so that we didn't outright say this is all lies. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that that wasn't in the title. I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I do appreciate the feedback, Nick, Definitely. It

443
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Speaker 1: stirred some interesting back and forth on Facebook, and we

444
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Speaker 1: love to discuss these topics with you. So even if

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Speaker 1: it's if the topic, even if the discussion is based,

446
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, around criticism, and believe it or not, the

447
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: three of us do you know, legitimately read these and

448
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Speaker 1: talk about them amongst ourselves and sometimes we'll respond on Facebook.

449
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Speaker 1: Sometimes we'll we'll bring it here on the listener mail

450
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Speaker 1: episode talk to you about it directly. In fact, we're

451
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Speaker 1: gonna kick this hornet's nest right again by going back

452
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Speaker 1: to the podcasts that we did about the intersections of

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Speaker 1: religion and technology, so so bring on the criticism of

454
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Speaker 1: supernatural topics. So this seems to be the common intersection

455
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Speaker 1: here though, right is when we add religion plus science,

456
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Speaker 1: we stir hornets. And I mean, obviously that's a that's

457
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Speaker 1: a thing people on the internet opinions about. But I'll think, yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: people have you see, you see criticism from people on

459
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Speaker 1: the atheistic side of things. You see more religious folk

460
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Speaker 1: criticizing sometimes, and it just kind of kind of varies.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, ultimately that's because there's a lot to

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Speaker 1: discuss there, you know. Yeah, And that seems to be

463
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Speaker 1: like the fact that you're saying that it comes from

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Speaker 1: from all angles. It means that they're like, we're coming

465
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Speaker 1: close to having a dialogue, which is pretty awesome considering

466
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Speaker 1: that this podcast is broadcast a mass audience. Mass audience,

467
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Speaker 1: not mass. It's like everybody past, okay, Well, anyway, we

468
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Speaker 1: have a couple of fairly long ones, but I do

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Speaker 1: want to read them because they're really great listener mail.

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Speaker 1: So these are from Gillian or Jillian. How do you

471
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Speaker 1: pronounced that name? I think it depends because the way

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Speaker 1: that I always heard Jillian Anderson, which I believe, is

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Speaker 1: that she pronounces it, but then the woman from community

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Speaker 1: it's spelled the same. Hers pronounced Gillian. Well, I love Scully,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say Jillian. So Jillian writes in to

476
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Speaker 1: tell us, I've been following your podcasts for a few

477
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Speaker 1: years now, enjoying the eclectic mix of weird subjects. But

478
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Speaker 1: I listened with heightened enthusiasm to your recent podcast on

479
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Speaker 1: religion and technology. This is a subject that has been

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Speaker 1: of great interest to me for some time, perhaps because

481
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Speaker 1: as an atheist, religion is a fascinating anomaly to one

482
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Speaker 1: not participating, and was the focus of my dissertation at

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Speaker 1: Glasgow School of Art two years ago. She might be

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Speaker 1: at Gillian then, like in Scottish pronunciation, maybe there's a

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Speaker 1: hard g Oh, Okay, it could be it's not Glascow,

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Speaker 1: you're correct or Glasco. However you say it anyway, does

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Speaker 1: it Lionel Alasco good? Jillian continues, Uh, My research was long,

488
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Speaker 1: extensive and really enjoyable. This is, after all a complex

489
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Speaker 1: area that requires an understanding of many quirks and areas

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Speaker 1: of human behavior. But where your podcast focused mostly on

491
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Speaker 1: the historical use of religious technology, my area of inquiry

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Speaker 1: focused on cyberspace. Humans have always sought to consecrate whatever

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Speaker 1: space it is that we're currently occupying or entering. Buzz

494
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Speaker 1: Aldrin is reported to have taken self administered communion when

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Speaker 1: first walking on the moon. I think, actually, yeah, I

496
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Speaker 1: thought about mentioning this in the podcast, but we didn't

497
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Speaker 1: have time for it, I think. But anyway, she goes

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Speaker 1: on to say, and we're doing the same thing with

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Speaker 1: cyberspace characterized as a purely mined space, cyberspace does offer

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Speaker 1: a new intriguing platform for spiritual exploration. I love that

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Speaker 1: you included prayer wheels in your exploration of technology. Buddhism

502
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Speaker 1: is one of the established religions that is integrating most

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Speaker 1: enthusiastically with technology and cyberspace. You can, in fact, turn

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Speaker 1: your computer's hard drive into a prayer wheel by saving

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Speaker 1: an image of the Sanskrit. And I apologize if I'm

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Speaker 1: not pronouncing this right. Oh mamane, pod me home, allowing

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Speaker 1: for thousands more revolutions per minute than a hand can deliver.

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Speaker 1: The question you raised about where the use of techno

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Speaker 1: logical prayer wheels becomes problematic as an interesting one. And

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Speaker 1: there I think we asked the question of like, can

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Speaker 1: you just write a computer program that simulates the turning

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Speaker 1: of a wheel without even having a picture if it's

513
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Speaker 1: just like a you know, a program that executes in

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Speaker 1: the background on a computer. She She goes on. She says,

515
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Speaker 1: as prayer and prana is both unquantifiable and unverifiable, we

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Speaker 1: can't see if it is indeed more effective. Rather, what

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Speaker 1: is important is the intention of the believer, the desire

518
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Speaker 1: to do as much good as possible and to bring

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Speaker 1: their faith into every area of their life. Physical prayer

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Speaker 1: wheels can be said to act as advertising for Buddhism

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Speaker 1: or one's faith and a moving gift image of one

522
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Speaker 1: on your blog or website does the same thing and

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Speaker 1: encouraging faith. There was even a Tibetan Buddhism blessing in

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Speaker 1: cyberspace delivered in the early nineties where four months prayed

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Speaker 1: in front of a laptop, sanctifying the space. Cornell University

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Speaker 1: has been part of a project to make three D

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Speaker 1: mendala's existing digitally in cyberspace, and these can be navigated

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Speaker 1: by camera within the program. The Dalai Lama enthusiastically tried

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Speaker 1: this out and laughed when he drove the camera into

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Speaker 1: a digital statue of the Buddha. It seems like the

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Speaker 1: appropriate response, right. Uh. The reason for Buddhism's acceptance of

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Speaker 1: cyberspace is providing legitimate space for spiritual engagement, maybe because

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Speaker 1: of their dualistic understanding of reality, with consciousness and matter

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Speaker 1: being separate. Take a trip to second life and you'll

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Speaker 1: also encounter Christian churches. I thought this was really actually

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Speaker 1: one of these, really well, I was in a physical church,

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Speaker 1: but then the individual giving the sermon um gave it

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Speaker 1: in second life and we got to view this on

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Speaker 1: the screen. It was interesting, lassinating, that's really cool. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: so she says that you'll encounter Christian churches, Jewish synagogues,

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Speaker 1: and Hindu temples available to visit, some with instructions on

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Speaker 1: clothing for one's avatar. Before entering. You can also engage

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Speaker 1: your avatar and meditation and yoga practices on second life.

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Speaker 1: This asks some very interesting questions about the validity of

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Speaker 1: experience online, as I assume that while my avatar is meditating,

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Speaker 1: I cannot be one can even receive virtual communion on

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Speaker 1: second life. This seems ludicrous at first, but when we

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Speaker 1: consider that transubstantiation is purely metaphorical, allowing us to become

549
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Speaker 1: closer to our Godhead and Avatar acting as a digitally

550
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Speaker 1: mediated metaphor for our mind, imbibing a metaphor for Christ

551
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Speaker 1: isn't too hard to understand. It all asks some very

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Speaker 1: difficult questions about embodiment, what it means to be human,

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Speaker 1: and the nature of mind slash consciousness. This really is

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Speaker 1: a fascinating and complex issue, mostly because religion is an

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Speaker 1: innate human drive, and in examining how we engage with

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Speaker 1: religion and cyberspace, we can use it almost as a

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Speaker 1: litmus test to assess how we feel about the validity

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Speaker 1: of experiences online. And then she actually attached her dissertation,

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Speaker 1: which I haven't had a chance to read yet, but

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Speaker 1: I would really like to get into and and maybe

561
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: at some point we could get a chance to share

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Speaker 1: that with our listeners if if she's interested. Yeah, most

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it works at her university, but

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Speaker 1: most universities published dissertations now as open access documents, so

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Speaker 1: perhaps we can get a u r L from Jillian

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Speaker 1: and share it with everybody. Yeah, and anyway, she finishes up.

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Speaker 1: But thanks if you made it to the end of

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Speaker 1: this long ramble. I just get so excited when I

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Speaker 1: encounter someone discussing the subject. Much love from the West

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Speaker 1: of Scotland. Thanks for all the great work and keep

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Speaker 1: it up. You're too kind, Jillian, and your email was awesome.

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00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: I love to this. Yeah, so many, uh so many

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Speaker 1: wonderful things. So the mention of Mandala's and you know,

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Speaker 1: the virtual spaces of Mendala's I'd love to do an

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Speaker 1: episode just on Mandalas at some point in the future.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think Julian, you should take this subject

577
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: and do an entire podcast series of your own about it. Yeah. Oh,

578
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: it certainly sounds like something large enough that you could

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Speaker 1: you could do a whole series on it. Well, you know,

580
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Speaker 1: Robert and I were just originally planning doing one episode

581
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Speaker 1: about technology and religion, but then we got into it

582
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Speaker 1: and realized we've been talking for like two and a

583
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Speaker 1: half hour. I remember, I remember, because you win the

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Speaker 1: studio and didn't come out for a really long time,

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Speaker 1: and I and I thought, what happened? Yeah, yeah, I

586
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: mean it's the topic and we just only in it, right, Yeah,

587
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot there, so yeah, it could

588
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: easily be a podcast onto itself. So wait, before we

589
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Speaker 1: move on. Transubstantiation is purely metaphorical. That's well, I understanding

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Speaker 1: that depends I think. Okay, okay, so yeah, the idea there,

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00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: if you're not familiar, is that I think, in uh,

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Speaker 1: in the mass, if people in the Christian Mass are receiving, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the bread and the wine. Transubstantiation is the belief that

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Speaker 1: the bread and wine is becomes the body of in

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Speaker 1: blood of Christ when it's at what point I don't

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Speaker 1: maybe when it's blessed by the priest. I'm not quite sure,

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00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: but anyway, I think so some people would probably take

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Speaker 1: that literally and say, yes, in some sense, now it

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Speaker 1: is literally. Actually the body and Blood of Jesus and

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Speaker 1: then others I think would take a more metaphorical approach

601
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Speaker 1: to it. You know that that email was so good.

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00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: We actually have another one from Jillian here, she says,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to point your attention to another interest in

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Speaker 1: comparison you mentioned UFOs. I'd just like to point out

605
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Speaker 1: that Young postulated that UFOs are now filling the role

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Speaker 1: of heavenly, omniscient and powerful beings left by traditional godheads

607
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Speaker 1: that have been eradicated as their scientific knowledge has grown.

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Speaker 1: They fit the same circular mandalage shape as recognized by Young,

609
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Speaker 1: as well as the likes of Joseph Campbell and J. G. Frasier.

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Speaker 1: Artists Susan Hiller explored this in her compelling piece Witness,

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Speaker 1: in which small saucer shaped speakers were suspended on chords

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Speaker 1: from the ceiling in a large rectangle with a space

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Speaker 1: left for navigating in the shape of a crucifix. From

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Speaker 1: the speakers, the viewer could listen closely to whispered confession

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Speaker 1: like reports of individuals who claimed to have encountered UFOs.

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Speaker 1: Adding another layer, the work was displayed in a church

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Speaker 1: in England, alluding to the fact that where once we

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00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: saw angels, we now see advanced scientific beings. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you argues that this being we see in a UFO

620
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Speaker 1: is just a projection from our unconscious mind, revealing a

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Speaker 1: desire for what he calls individuation at seeking of holness,

622
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: to be close to an aspirational figure, and this desire

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Speaker 1: manifest in the circular mendola shape as seen in Halo's

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Speaker 1: ghostly Orbs, Navajo sand designs, et cetera. Anyway, thanks for reading. Again,

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Speaker 1: I promise this is the last one. Again, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be. These are so great. Yeah, they're quite good.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you know, I'd like to hear a podcast

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Speaker 1: from Jillian now also, Like I'm fascinated about what her

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Speaker 1: dissertation might be about this. This is a really interesting stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think she's referring to the part in the

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Speaker 1: second part of the of the Techno Religion podcast where

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Speaker 1: we talked about the UFO cults like Railianism, which you know,

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Speaker 1: they might not want to be a called a UFO

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Speaker 1: coult actually, but what you know, they're they're a religion

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Speaker 1: that incorporates the technology of supposed encounters with alien beings,

636
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Speaker 1: where in fact it's it's a quite literal replacement of

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Speaker 1: God in in the writings of Royal Their their leader right,

638
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Speaker 1: because he tells the story of how the Aliens went

639
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Speaker 1: through the Bible with him and said, okay, this part

640
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: here where it says God did that. Actually what happened

641
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: is the Aliens used a nuclear powered radio to do X,

642
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Speaker 1: Y and Z. Yeah. That the whole bit with Raliens

643
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Speaker 1: was it was really interesting, especially when you got into

644
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Speaker 1: the specifics of of like what Satan was doing as

645
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Speaker 1: a like cloning engineer. I can't remember there's like Satan

646
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: and Lucifer in the in the Alien take is that

647
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: one the two separate entities, one worked on on Earth

648
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Speaker 1: in the cloning facility and the other one was an

649
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: anti Earth activist on the home planet. It's wonderful stuff.

650
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Speaker 1: Here's one that we actually got about our podcast about

651
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Speaker 1: the science of incidence, the one Robert and I did

652
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Speaker 1: there about methods of analyzing coincidences to see whether they're

653
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Speaker 1: actually statistically interesting or not. So Zara writes in and says, Hi,

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Speaker 1: guys love the show. I just finished listening to the

655
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Speaker 1: episode about coincidence and it was one of my favorites.

656
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Speaker 1: I'm always trying to tell people about the law of

657
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Speaker 1: large numbers. But then I'm a math person. Well, congratulations

658
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Speaker 1: on that, Zarah. I am not, but I wish it were.

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Speaker 1: She goes on. I especially liked the bit about only

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Speaker 1: needing a group of twenty three people to find two

661
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Speaker 1: that have the same birthday. I shared it with my

662
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: fiance as soon as I heard it, and he laughed

663
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: at me and told me I'm a geek. Guilty as charged.

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Speaker 1: Don't we have a brain Stuff episode about this? I

665
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Speaker 1: believe you do, Ben does. Yeah, so if you check

666
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Speaker 1: out our YouTube channel for for brain Stuff, which is

667
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Speaker 1: one of the shows that Joe and I write for

668
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: brain Stuff listeners outside of this show, and uh but yeah,

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00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: Ben Boland did an episode on that very topic. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: Zara goes on. She says, anyways, I wanted to share

671
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Speaker 1: my own coincidence the day I was born May sixteenth.

672
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Speaker 1: What a coincidence? You want to know? A coincidence? Yeah,

673
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: that's the day I was born. That's my birthday. Wow.

674
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: So I was born on I mean July sixteen, and

675
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Speaker 1: I was born in October sixteen. What we're all sixteen?

676
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: How does the police sang? Anyway? Sarah too, Yeah, So,

677
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: so Zara was born on May sixteenth. What a coincidence?

678
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: She says. My dad was wearing a T shirt from

679
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Speaker 1: an old radio station in California, k m E L

680
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Speaker 1: one oh six. His best friend worked at the station

681
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: before I was born. Well, wouldn't you know it? I

682
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Speaker 1: was born at one oh six in the morning. The

683
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: only thing that would have made it better is if

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Speaker 1: it had been an A M station. But no coincidence

685
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: is perfect. How true that is, Sarah, She says, thanks

686
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Speaker 1: for keeping us all educated and entertained. You're welcome. Thank

687
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Speaker 1: you for writing in. Yeah, that that's a well, thank

688
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: you for that feedback. It also brings to mind we

689
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: did receive an email that we didn't read, but it

690
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: had to do with where like the coincidence and the

691
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: numerology of our placement in iTunes ranking in relation to

692
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: Glenn Beck's podcast, so that I didn't quite I didn't

693
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Speaker 1: completely understand it, and we need some clarifications on the

694
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are invisible threads between us and Glenn Beck, though, yeah,

695
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: not that I was aware that he had a podcast

696
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: until just now. Okay, so this one is from Dave,

697
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: who wrote a message to us through Facebook again, where

698
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Speaker 1: Blow the Mind on Facebook? Follow us there by the way.

699
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: We don't just post our own stuff there. We share

700
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: a lot of content that we find throughout the day

701
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: as we're doing research, kinds of weird science, weird links. Yeah, monsters,

702
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: monsters definitely are in there. Uh so, Dave says, Hi, guys,

703
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: you probably don't have time to reply or maybe even

704
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Speaker 1: read this an entire in its entirety, Boy, Dave, are

705
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Speaker 1: you in for a surprise. Nonetheless, I've out I should

706
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: send you both a message just to let you know

707
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Speaker 1: how much I love your podcast. I've been an avid

708
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Speaker 1: podcast listener for a few years when I stumbled across yours.

709
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Speaker 1: Until then, I've been listening to s gu and The

710
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Speaker 1: Reality Check. When I started listening to Stuff to Blow

711
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Speaker 1: Your Mind, I was impressed with the format of the

712
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: show and the sharing of science was done in a fun,

713
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Speaker 1: never belittling way. I really enjoyed the report between both

714
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Speaker 1: of you and look forward to my time so I

715
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Speaker 1: can listen to a few Stuff to Blow your Mind episodes.

716
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm currently going through your backlog and I'm about halfway

717
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Speaker 1: through a little more than the Seven Dead Leads. This

718
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: is a series that you did with Julia. Yeah, we

719
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: did one on each of the seven Deadly Sins. Anyway,

720
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Speaker 1: I just felt compelled to drop you this message just

721
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Speaker 1: to let you know that I really enjoy and appreciate

722
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Speaker 1: the show and wanted to thank you both and everyone

723
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: else involved. That's us Joe for putting together such a

724
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Speaker 1: great show on a regular basis. Thanks, and then he

725
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: typed out smile emoticon like that. It's clever. Yeah, thanks Dave,

726
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: thanks for writing in. Uh and you have sounds like

727
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Speaker 1: another individual making their way through the back catalog of

728
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Speaker 1: episodes and you'll find all of those episodes that stuff

729
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Speaker 1: to blow your mind. Dot com if you ever want

730
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Speaker 1: to just check out, you know, go to search there

731
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: and just see what we have. All the podcasts, all

732
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: the blog posts, all the videos everything. It's you know,

733
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Speaker 1: I'm not just saying this because I'm on the show now,

734
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Speaker 1: Like when you actually go and engage with with that site, Like,

735
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: there's just a tremendous wealth of material that Robert and

736
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Speaker 1: his various coasts over the years have produced. It's pretty awesome. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: We've got just a couple more for you guys. This

738
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Speaker 1: one is from sa Shank Sa Shank writes and says, hey, guys,

739
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: just heard your podcast this morning. Lovely stuff about the

740
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: intersection of technology and religion. More about Techno Religion podcast

741
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Speaker 1: Sashank says, I had a few thoughts I wanted to

742
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: share when I thought about technology and religion. The first

743
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: thing that came to mind was how many modern cult

744
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Speaker 1: like religious movements were centered around technological profits. I speak primarily,

745
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: of course, about the mighty Apple. I'm sure you'd agree

746
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: that Apple fandom is rather religious about their allegiance, and

747
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: it was Steve Jobs who really inspired this cult following.

748
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: I've thought about this quite often, and my guest was

749
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Speaker 1: that Jobs really fulfilled all the criteria we look for

750
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: in someone to worship slash follow When we seek religious leaders,

751
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: we look for someone who has a hold over the

752
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Speaker 1: masses and unites people based on a belief or ideology.

753
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Speaker 1: Someone who disseminates information, communication and social media, someone who

754
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Speaker 1: tells us a prescribed way to do things, and someone

755
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: who can empower people by giving them the tools to

756
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: do said things, many of which you guys mentioned with

757
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: brilliant examples, and Jobs seemed to put his products in

758
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Speaker 1: this light. He made it clear that the technology he

759
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Speaker 1: was selling wasn't simply a tool, it was a way

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Speaker 1: of life. Today, Apple fans lament the death of jobs,

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Speaker 1: jobs while still performing their annual rituals of watching w

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Speaker 1: w d C, lining up for iPhones, and submitting almost

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Speaker 1: fanatically to the Apple doctrine. And I think that is

764
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Speaker 1: something we often crave for His humans to be given direction,

765
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: purpose prescribed rituals to perform in return for affiliation, belonging

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Speaker 1: to a unified cult with a shared ideology, and of

767
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Speaker 1: course that edge over the other guys. And then Sashank

768
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Speaker 1: links to a couple of articles covering phenomena similar to

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Speaker 1: what he's been describing here. Once again, thanks for the

770
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: great podcast, guys, totally helps me wake up every day. Well,

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00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: thank you so much for that email, Sashank. So, do

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Speaker 1: you guys remember the Big Brother commercial that Apple did

773
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Speaker 1: in the eighties. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what his

774
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: his letters making me think of, is that it was

775
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: sort of prescient in its own way. I feel like

776
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: they might have done like a parody version of that.

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Speaker 1: There's been a number of over the years, and that

778
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: there was one on Futurama. Okay, okay, yeah, but certainly yeah,

779
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Speaker 1: the um And there was a book that I read

780
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: in the nineties called micro Surfs. It was about sort

781
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: of Silicon Valleys startups and and and some of the

782
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Speaker 1: people who worked out there, and and their relationship to

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Speaker 1: Steve Jobs was very much described the way that he

784
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Speaker 1: was describing it as he was almost like an entity. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was funny how in the email it

786
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: suddenly it wasn't Steve Jobs every time it became jobs,

787
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Speaker 1: like jobs is the name of like a Babylonian deity.

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Speaker 1: You've got bail, and you've got and you've got jobs, jobs, jobs,

789
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Speaker 1: the what the you know, the the winged lion. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm picturing they have the winged lion with with Steve

791
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Speaker 1: Jobs with a bite out of the side of it

792
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Speaker 1: and a single leaf. All right, and here's our last

793
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Speaker 1: bit of listener mail. This one comes in from Facebook

794
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Speaker 1: listener Good Vibes, Good Vibes Rights. I'm curious to know

795
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Speaker 1: your thoughts in the existence or non existence of extraterrestrials,

796
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Speaker 1: given thoughts and theories proposed by Eric van Duncan and

797
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: other supporters of their existence, do you think it is

798
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Speaker 1: plausible that they do exist? I'm really at at a

799
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: loss here I personally want to believe, but the only

800
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: evidence I have to go on his theory put forth

801
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: in photos and videos which may be real or not. Well.

802
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: Robert actually recorded an episode of brain Stuff, our video

803
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: series I mentioned earlier that I wrote the script for

804
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: along with I Believe You You, was with Christen Conger

805
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Speaker 1: about this very topic about whether aliens exist or not.

806
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Speaker 1: Was it the Drake equation? Maybe? I'd only vaguely remember.

807
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: It's been over a year since we did it. I

808
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: don't believe the Drake equation came into it, but we

809
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: did talk about, you know, the possibility of extra trustrial life, uh,

810
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Speaker 1: and specifically the Goldilocks zone concept of that, you know,

811
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Speaker 1: there's this particular zone in between a star and and

812
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: where a planet resides in order for the atmosphere to

813
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Speaker 1: potentially host life. So yes or no? Extraterrestrials? Oh? I

814
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: definitely think yes, definitely intelligent space faring. Yeah. Have they

815
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: visited Earth? No? Okay? Will they visit Earth? Yes, but

816
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: not in our understanding of time? All right? How about you? Oh? Yeah,

817
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, well, it's kind of presumptuous

818
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: to say either way, because we we don't there are

819
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Speaker 1: so many probabilities involved that we just don't even have

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Speaker 1: a number four, Like, what is the probability that a

821
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Speaker 1: biogenesis occurs on a on a habitable planet. I don't

822
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Speaker 1: know what that, you know. I mean, it might be

823
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Speaker 1: near one, or it might be one in ten trillion.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know, And I think even scientists don't

825
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: necessarily know the answer to that. But my hunch is that, yes,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of life out there in the universe, but

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Speaker 1: we may very well never encounter it ever. Okay, my

828
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Speaker 1: take is that domight fake kind of varies. Like there

829
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Speaker 1: was a time in um junior high where I was

830
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Speaker 1: scared to death of alien abduction. Yeah, it's pretty like

831
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Speaker 1: this unsolved mysteries had had gotten into my head. We're

832
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: talking about like early nineties. Yeah, yeah, and I was

833
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: just you just look up into the night sky and

834
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Speaker 1: they would just suck you up, you know. Um. So

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm there's definitely a strong uh uh

836
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: tendency in myself now to just dismiss extraterrestrials. But I

837
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: sometimes wonder if a part of that is was like

838
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: a defensive mechanism to that fear I used to have

839
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Speaker 1: so I found a reason to eradicate that fear through uh,

840
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: through you know, logic and common sense. But but I

841
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: still I still think there is life out there somewhere.

842
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm I'm not sure it's necessarily space

843
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Speaker 1: faring now or that ever will be. But sometimes I

844
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: do sort of think that lay there in bed at

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Speaker 1: where I fall, certainly. And I guess I would say

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Speaker 1: too that this seems like the perfect stuff to blow

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Speaker 1: your mind question to me, because this show is all

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Speaker 1: about sort of the wonder and awe. I think that

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Speaker 1: like science brings to us as people, you know, and

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Speaker 1: and that's what this says to me as well, too.

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Speaker 1: Is trying to use science or just your imagination to

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Speaker 1: theorize whether extraterrestrial life exists or not is one of

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Speaker 1: those wondrous moments that I think this show is great for. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't remember where this quote comes from.

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Speaker 1: Somebody said this and I heard it. It's that when

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Speaker 1: you think about extraterrestrial life, either there is extraterrestrial life

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Speaker 1: or there isn't and no matter which option is true,

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Speaker 1: that's mind blowing, right, Like the fact that we're alone

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Speaker 1: in the universe is scary and awe inspiring, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that there's other life out there is scary and

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Speaker 1: awe inspiring. Totally scary and inspiring. That's what we go

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Speaker 1: for here. So hey, we want to thank the robot

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Speaker 1: for a coming online, not destroying anybody. Um really just

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Speaker 1: pleased that that machine is up in morning? Is Let's yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: well we better wrap we better wrap it up. Um Hey.

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