1 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Godlie. This is all ball. 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: We've got a great uh part two for you. Jordan Schultz, 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: of course, who um, he is a media magnet. He 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: is uh well, I mean he was a D three 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: hooper who turned basketball analyst and now he's breaking football stories. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: I want to talk to him about the difference in 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: the two. You know, we're we're getting close here with 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: with colleges back reporting and having their first practice, I think, 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: and I tweeted about this, but it's interesting. I talked 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: to coaches all the time, and I know a lot 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: of you guys are listening, and you know this is 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: not a trade secret, but I've been asked by several 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: I think high profile coaches. I hate you got any 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: ideas for how he gets students here, And you know, 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: you get idiots on social media like you know, there's 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: all these all these tickets, and you know it's not like, 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: look what's in students section. Sometimes five to a thousand 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: maybe students, which doesn't seem like a huge number for 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: the gigantic schools, but it is. And it's hard to 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: get kids in the building. And as we we kind 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: of professionalized college athletics and you know, you guys know 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: where I stand on it. I think there are so 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: many pitfalls to it. I think in many ways you're 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: ruining the college experience for young, young student athletes. Right. 25 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: And but another part that's ruining that I think the 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: college experiences so many of the classes being online and 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: now look we we had. I mean, do you guys 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: remember correspondence classes where you do it just on paper. 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: You don't have to show up like I'm I'm old 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: enough to have done that in my last class, my 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: senior year, which dragged on four years. Right, So I'm 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: actually a two thousand four graduated oaklom State, not two 33 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: thousand grads. That's a real story. Uh, I'd listen, Lee Manser. 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: I respect him. He didn't just give me a grade. 35 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: I had to do all the work and I had 36 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: to do it well. And even then, I think I 37 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: gotta be. I think I gotta be. Anyway, if you 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: want kids to show up to games, they gotta feel 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: like they know and the kids that the players have 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: to be kind of tangible. They can't just be guys 41 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: that were uh Michigan uniform or uh Oklahoma State or 42 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: Oklahoma uniform or a Florida uniform. They got it. Like 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: one of the things that I felt like added to 44 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: my college experience is like, if you play good, you 45 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: go to the class next day and people you get 46 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: the audi boys. You play bad, you get the stink guy, 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: but at least they care. Right, How many guys go 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: to a college because now some go to from an 49 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: I L. But mostly like schools are where they are 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: because people care. But you care a lot more about 51 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: people you know. Anyway, here here's the I believe one 52 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: of the big things that hurt student attendants at college 53 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: basketball games is the fact that many, a very high 54 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: percentage of college basketball players barely if ever step foot 55 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: on campus. And that's a mistake. You don't have to 56 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: have every class in person, and there is a convention, 57 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: There is a convenience to it, and you can get 58 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: more done, they can be around you more. They can't 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: get more work in changing by like all of that stuff, 60 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: but they also need to experience student life. And if 61 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: you want to promote your program, your best promotion is 62 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: the guys themselves. And we we we know we know 63 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: this from covering it, and I know you know this 64 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: from coaching. It is most of them and we sit 65 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: down with they go, I've got great kids. I've got 66 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: great kids, got no problems. And I believe most of 67 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: that is true. But you saying that doesn't do nearly 68 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: as much good for their popularity and for the popularity 69 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: of the team at the school as people getting to 70 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: know him. Man, I had that dude in my club, 71 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: my site class. He was awesome, so cool. That's one 72 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: of the reasons Karl Anthony Towns is one of those 73 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: guys that when he was a Kentucky only one and 74 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: done like he was famous for. Like you have like 75 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: an a to him, and he'd be there next day. 76 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: They play on road, they fly back and he was 77 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: the first one in class next day. And that's why 78 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: he was beloved when he was at at Kentucky by 79 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: the student body. He's not the only one. It's just 80 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: an example. Anyway. All right, here's part two on my 81 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: discussion with Jordan Schultz. All right, Tom, I want to 82 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: get to UM. I want to get to this the 83 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: sonics stuff and more hoops stuff. But as you said, 84 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: as you you talked about UM in the previous pod, 85 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: like the lane that you really want to drive in 86 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: right now is the NFL newsmaker Lane and like, so 87 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: how does how does it for for me? I mean, 88 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: obviously you're not gonna give away like all of your sources, 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: but the Dallas Tyrn Smith goes down by the way, 90 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: this this Tyrn Smith might be back to the playoffs. Dude, 91 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: he's not coming back for playoffs, Okay, Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, 92 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: And he broke and and it it caused the evulsion 93 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: fracture in the knee, so you gotta rehab the hamstring 94 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: and the knee same time. And he's a giant of 95 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: a man. And he's in his thirties, like he's not 96 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: playing this year. Yeah, I think he's actually yeah, I 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: think I think it's late thirties. Yeah, he's a great player. 98 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: He's always kind of missed time. Um, what I was 99 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: told from Dallas was basically, you know, despite the reports 100 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: that could be December, Doug that that is an absolute 101 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: best case scenario, and I don't think they're particularly optimistic 102 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: that he will come back, even if it's for the playoffs. 103 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: You know, he started to think about who could they 104 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: go out and get to replace him at left tackle. 105 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: Jason Peters, maybe Andrew Whitworth, who recently retired. Maybe they 106 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: try to get Isaiah Win from the paths, but um, 107 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: that's a big loss for them. It's a really big 108 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: loss in terms of a lot of different factors. Their 109 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: passing game with Dak, the running game with Polar and Zeke. 110 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: Everything they want to do really starts and ends on 111 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: that left side. Yeah, and I mean people are struggling 112 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: up on the right side, let alone left tackle. Like 113 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: that's well, they drafted this at a Tulsa. Yeah, and 114 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: Tyler Smith, they're really high on him, but they drafted 115 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: him almost to be like a swing tackle the first 116 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: two or three years and eventually, you know, move him 117 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: outside with the thought that he could play left guard. Um, 118 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: you know, some of the criticism I like him. Some 119 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: of the criticism that I had heard was struggles with 120 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: really twitchy guys. That's why you want to put him 121 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: inside where he can get a more help and doesn't 122 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: have to go up against those super athletic dudes on 123 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: the on the perimeter. But um, this this is going 124 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: to press him into more responsibility as well. But they 125 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: didn't invest the first round pick picking him. They obviously 126 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: like him. Jerry Jones obviously really likes him, so we'll 127 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: see how hard is it to getting in that space. 128 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: For me, it was tough because I was such a 129 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: basketball guy and I thought that that was gonna be 130 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: my my, my lane, if you will. And when I 131 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: started to pursue the football side of it, I realized 132 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: really quickly that just like the NBA, agents are established, 133 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: agents are established with with gms. Gms are established with 134 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: agents back and forth, so that you see a lot 135 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: of those deals happen with people that are comfortable together, 136 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: they have a working relationship. That's why certain teams trade together. 137 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: It was really interesting for me to see that because 138 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: I had really only experienced the NBA, which just feels 139 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: smaller because there's the rosters are so much more contented. 140 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: And I think with the NFL. As I started to 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: pursue it and really go all in on it, I 142 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: realized that my end was gonna be through the lens 143 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: of the players. Did I talked about this important, Yeah, 144 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: My my my lane was gonna be in the NFL, 145 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: and specifically through the lens of the player because I 146 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: felt like I had a different perspective based on my 147 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: upbringing when it comes to players, and I thought that 148 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: if I could show show what's under the helmet as 149 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: much as anything else, and provide more depth and advance 150 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: the story that that would go along with. Um, it's 151 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 1: interesting because I would say, and I would say, based 152 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: upon your stories, they look like they're from the player's side, right, 153 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Like It's like Lamar Jackson's perfect example. Right players side 154 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: is hey, dude, Deshaun DeShawn got two fifty guaranteed, Oh Lamar, 155 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: But DeShawn got two fifty guaranteed. He's never been a 156 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: league a VP. Lamar has Lamar has no offer Kyler. 157 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: Lamar has no off field baggage. Deshawn's torns a c 158 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: L twice once in the pros, once in college. Right, So, 159 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: like I understand the argument from the outside, from the 160 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: outside or from the yours, I would be like, look, 161 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: if Deshawn's worth that, I'm worth that plus one dollar, right, 162 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: that's a The difference would be one de Shawn has 163 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: been the league longer. It's just third deal. Um, yes 164 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: he is. And usually you gotta get a deal before 165 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: you get to that deal. But the bigger thing is 166 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: if you're gonna extend Lamar for that deal plus a 167 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: couple of dollars, that's this year plus five years. That's 168 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: six years guaranteed to a guy who runs the football 169 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: more than anybody's ever run the football in the modern 170 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: history of the NFL. And I'm sure you met Cam Newton. 171 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: Kim Newton blocks out the sun. He's a big, gigantic 172 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: human being. So if that he TechEd can shorten his career. 173 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: If I'm the I'm Baltimore, and it was like, dude, 174 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: that's not I'm not using that as my camp. That's 175 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: that's a one off. That's not that the camp is 176 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: all of these other deals. And I will gladly pay 177 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: you three years guaranteed. We can put some other years 178 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: on it as well and go more in the short 179 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: term then in the long term one because of injury. 180 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: And then to the other part is like, hey, look, 181 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: he he wasn't great last year. Now it's not all 182 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: his fault. Didn't have his running backs Ronnie Stanley's hurt, right, 183 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: but at some point like he was not nearly the 184 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: guy he was two years previously, and you wonder what 185 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: he's sealing is. So if I'm the ravens um, I 186 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: want to do a deal with him, and I think 187 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: they want to do a deal with him. It's more 188 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: than Kyler Murray. It's just not more than Deshaud Watson. 189 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: So one of the it's a great point about Cam 190 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: because he's not only pushing six six, but he's thick 191 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: and broad and he's just enormous. Lamar is a slight guy. 192 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: One of the things that because I've asked other scouts 193 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: and executives about Lamar, one of the things they've said is, 194 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't take the same beating as a 195 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: lot of the other one quarterbacks because he's really good 196 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: at getting down and getting out of bounce and he's 197 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: just so elusive. He's so Yeah, not only that, but 198 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: like he's so elusive, he's like he's one of the 199 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: almost he's like a it was like a figure skater 200 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: the way he pirouets around the field. He's just so talented. Uh, 201 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: his throwing mechanics have gotten better. This is not me talking, 202 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: This is scouts that have told me, I think you're 203 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: gonna see a big push from Batman this year. They 204 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: drafted my guy is a likely out of Coastal Carolina. 205 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: They have two big time tight ends. They drafted Lindar 206 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: bomb At of Iowa, the best center in the draft. 207 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: It's his running backs back, Sandley's back. He'll put up 208 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: big number. He's actually my sleepermy p pick. I'm all 209 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: in on paying him. And a big reason why is 210 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: he has no baggage. You never hear anything almost two 211 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: to not a fault. But you're even he doesn't, I 212 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: have just pay him, move on, hardball loves him, you got. 213 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying really, basically six years guaranteed money that 214 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: they're they're in, Like, that's fair, that's fair, But that's 215 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: fair that I might. I don't necessarily disagree with that, um, 216 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: but it's interesting, like you're you're not you're not telling people, Hey, 217 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: we're doing I'm I'm doing all sides whatever you're like, Look, 218 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: my my insight is from the player's perspective or the 219 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: agent perspective. I think that's a very unique way to 220 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: approach it. I think players no best Doug, how many 221 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: times have you been in I'll pick up run or 222 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: Hey this guy can play and he comes in, he 223 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: ship and you know it within two This is a 224 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: great It's actually a great thing. Okay, So this is 225 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: what I do with my friends, and you can do 226 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: this is what which is you go to a gym, 227 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: you go to an up and run, and then you 228 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: try to decide within the first game the level that 229 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: every guy played at. And you can almost always love that, 230 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: right you know, it's always tell be like you know 231 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: how you can tell. The most basic thing is does 232 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: he pass the screen away? Does he pass and screen away? 233 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: If he does it, then he didn't. Unless he's so 234 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: talented as a score, he probably didn't playing. I don't know. 235 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: There's just a bunch of different it's just first the 236 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: movement that you have. The movement, so like, also what 237 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: what what kind of shoes are you wearing if you're 238 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: if you're not wearing basketball shoes obviously right right, like 239 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: you're playing in running shoes. Like no, bro, yeah, I 240 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: don't even if you're playing running shoes. Oftentimes actually won't 241 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: play because I'm like, this guy doesn't know how to play. 242 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get hurt. Well, that's that's that's the thing 243 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: about the movement. When guys just move awkwardly, when they're 244 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: just like you didn't play anywhere? You know. Um, And 245 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think I think what happens is 246 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: some people believe what you're saying is they can't play 247 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: that they stink. Like I'll give you a guy who, um, 248 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: he would probably surprise you, which is like Jason McIntyre 249 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: J mack. Al Right, so J Mack never played in 250 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: high school, doesn't look like no, now he's actually in 251 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: pick up all. He's not a bad dude to have. 252 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. He's an incredible shape. Yeah 253 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: he canna really shoot. You can really shoot. But what 254 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't understand, like his movements are just a little 255 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: different than like the fluid movements of guys that played. 256 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: So so if you watch you watch him shoot, watch 257 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: the ball go in, You're like, oh, that do play 258 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: in high school? And I'm sure he brought like late bloomer, 259 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: he probably played a ton of basketball whatever. So he's 260 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: not He's like a good dude to have, Like if 261 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: I went to open runs and I want a guy 262 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: that can just stand and shoot and he plays hard, 263 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: like he never gets tired and he's not a he's 264 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: not trying to like win games on his own, like 265 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: great dude to happen. That's a great guy. Yeah, absolutely, 266 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: but you can tell in his movements you're like he 267 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: didn't No, Now they'll be there'll be like one guy 268 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: that fools yet, But I guarantee if you and I 269 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: next time I'm in New York, we're gonna go to 270 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: an open run and we're gonna Actually, I think it's 271 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: a really good I think it's good TV. I would 272 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: love I would love to play with you because you 273 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: can shoot and have you transformed? Yeah, I was gonna say, 274 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: have you become in your in your older years more 275 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: of a short Yeah? I mean like, well, Okay, So 276 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: I tore my a c L last summer. So I've 277 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: played pick up a total of four times since being back, 278 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: and um, I will go through stretches where I'm like, 279 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: I've passed the rest of my life. I don't want 280 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: to pass anymore. I'm just or or Or. When I 281 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: was at ESPN, we used to play in West Hartford, 282 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: and I would I would tell some of these dudes 283 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: we we played at um the school that Calhoun has 284 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: been at, at St. Joe's College that Shall. We play there, 285 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: me and Donnie Marshall and a couple of guys who 286 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: play there. But we have there's a group of guys 287 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: that played, there's a group of guys that play with 288 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: Donnie and me that we're just terrible but great guys. Right. 289 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: And there's a guy named Gary. And Gary was like 290 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: the worst guy to have on your team because he 291 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: wasn't a good player, but he thought he was like, 292 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: you cannot be a good player. Just do what you 293 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: do best and stay out and stay on the way. Anyway. 294 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: I used to tell Gary, like Gary, a miss shot 295 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: by me is honestly a better shot than a made 296 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: chat by you. That's so true. That's just just because 297 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: the likelihood of mind going in is much stronger than you. So. 298 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: But now when I'm we're playing with a pick up game, 299 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm playing with a big up game. But I got 300 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: dudes that are better than me around, they're getting the ball. 301 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: It's just a it's just a k y B thing. No, 302 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: your guys. My college coach I mentioned yesterday, my first one, 303 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: Joe Coleo, was a big fan of KYP. Know your personnel. 304 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget my freshman year. So I was 305 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: red shirting, wasn't even playing my freshman year. Uh. I 306 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: would always find a way two try to incorporate our 307 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: best player, um, you know, in three on two, two 308 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: on one, or any situation. And one time his backup 309 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: said to me. You know, it'd be nice if you 310 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: gave me a look every once in a while. And 311 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, you're right, you're right, 312 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: And so I gave him a great pass, beautiful pass. 313 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: It was god just like a little on a two 314 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: on one or three and two. And he dropped, He 315 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: dropped it, he dropped. He didn't even catch it because 316 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: it was almost like a no look. And I'll never forget. 317 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: I'll never forget, Hilaro, Ky, why fucking you know your personnel? 318 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: Say what we used to came up? You know you 319 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: know your boys or the best just when like you're 320 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 1: right down the court and the guys like, dude, I 321 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: was open, Like I know, yeah, you're open for a reason, 322 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: open for a reason. I know you would. You would 323 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: love you would. You're gonna love playing with me. You're 324 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: gonna love it, and I'm gonna love playing with you. 325 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a great Jewish sympathico. I like it. 326 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: I like it. We could get a good old ald 327 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: you run and then go good. I have a good 328 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: ald you run. I'm not allowed in it half the 329 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: time because I don't get off the court. So when 330 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: I do play, I'm only allowed to play only. I'm 331 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: only allowed to play three games in a row because 332 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: otherwise I'll never leave. You know, who's a fun guy. 333 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: It can be fun to play with. But he definitely 334 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: thinks he's the Michael Jordan's of older Jewish basketball. Do 335 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: you know Jamie Horowitz? All? Obviously, of course I played 336 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: with Jamie at this at my where I am right now. 337 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: I played threes with him. He's much better in a 338 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 1: in a three on three than a five on five. Okay, 339 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean he's just he's just I want to score 340 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: every time I get the ball guy. Yeah, I'm just 341 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: saying in throround three it's a little more manageable. Yeah, 342 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, he definitely, he definitely does like that. He's 343 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: an f G A guy. He's trying to get those 344 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: he's trying to get those out. He thinks, he thinks 345 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: he's like t Mac Where Where did you? Where was 346 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: the place where you grew up? Playing in Seattle? Where 347 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: was like the it was all it was? Uh we 348 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: used to play sat with grammar school gym. Capitol Hill 349 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: from Seattle. Uh some not not to that extent. So 350 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: so Capitol Hill right by Seattle, Prap right by o 351 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: day right by Garfield, which is all the powers. We 352 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: play there every day, go there after school. Uh, that's 353 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: where my a youth team played Youth Education in Sports, 354 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: which has disbanded. Yes, and that was our spot every night, 355 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, every night you'd have Jamal Crawford in there, 356 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: Name Robinson, Brandon Roy, Aaron Brooks, Spencer Has, John Brockman, 357 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: Marvin Williams, Terrence Williams. Oh my god, it was unbelievable. 358 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: It was just unbelievable. I'm forgetting me. There's so many 359 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: Rodney Stuck, he was there all the time. Great player, 360 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: Peyton Siva. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk 361 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at 362 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart 363 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: Radio app. Search f s R to listen live. What 364 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: why has it been so long since you doub has 365 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: really been good? You know what if you go back 366 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: to their history at least what I grew up on 367 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: that great team in ninety eight Ghost six they lose 368 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: to Rip Hamilton on the buzzer beer, you know, by 369 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: the bust of that teams that really yeah, or remember 370 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: you played them? Dean Lewton was Dean Lewton was from 371 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. He smoke Okahoma. He smo Oklahoma home. So 372 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: they brought him home and they had Dick al was 373 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: that Dick was a baller. He was at the time 374 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: though he was a freshman backup or he d Yeah. 375 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: And um, so they had Donald Watts. Watts, h who's 376 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: there four I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you, 377 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: Chris Walcott, Um, Dean Lewton. We said, oh, um, Chris Thompson, 378 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: little little white point guard. Yeah, he was just he 379 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: was a starter. Huh. Jan Wootten, little point guard. Yeah. 380 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: Those they had maybe Pelo Green was on that team. Um, 381 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: and they were a good team, really good team. They 382 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: came to still want to we kicked the fucking ship 383 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: out of them and they go that then the Gallagher 384 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: but yeah, they they had, they had. That was one 385 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: of those. It was my first that was my first year, 386 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: now you seven. Yeah, that was my first year and 387 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: we were picked like dead last in the Big twelve. Um, 388 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: and we were supposedly had this like super soft schedule, right, 389 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: and then the schedule ends up being Arizona State. Arizona 390 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: State was like really really good and Don Newman was 391 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: the interim coach because that was when they got caught 392 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: with the headache Smith stuff. Yeah, and then Washington was 393 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: supposed to just be okay and they end up and 394 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: then tc we played them in Fort Worth and they 395 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: were like top ten the country and we we we 396 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: beat TCU at the I actually made a free throw 397 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: to win the game, and we survived five miss layups 398 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: and then uh no, we beat SUH Why the A? 399 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: S U stories an all timer? This. I don't know 400 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen this happen. So we'd only played 401 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: games in still Water supersoft schedule, right A S You 402 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: had just played I think in the pre season, and 403 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: I t and played pretty well. They had Bobby las 404 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: Or they had Yeah, they were good. Yeah, they had 405 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what the name of the scorer is. 406 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: Wasn't Isaac Burton? I'm trying to think anyway, I think 407 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: about so, Um, they play us in Oklahoma City at 408 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 1: the Merriam and um, my two strongest memories of that 409 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: game were it was like our first time out and 410 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: we went out in bricktowns my first time in Bricktown 411 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you ever been in Oklahoma City. Now, 412 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: I've never been. I don't know what Bricktown is really nice, 413 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: tons of good restaurants, you know, there's some retail, all 414 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: kinds of hotels. Now, it's like hopping. It was just 415 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: kind of infancy. There was no thunder. Obviously, there's no 416 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: hornets yet, there's no NBA team. There was no arena 417 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: there that you played in the old arena. So we 418 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: go to the We go to the spaghetti factory the 419 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: night before the game, and um and my boy Mike Johnson, 420 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: who end up transferring to William and Mary four point students, 421 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: and we all got drive. Huh go tribe. Yeah, so 422 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: Mike is he's super successful in Kansas City now doing 423 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: financial stuff. So we all took out our predem and 424 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: put it on the table and we bet. I think 425 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: it was but it was probably less than that because 426 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: we they were feeding his dinner, right, so they gotta 427 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: take out whatever dinner was, so you know, it could 428 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: be fifteen bucks. So we'll put our burd m on 429 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: the table and we had to bet whether or not 430 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: Mike we had five secondary breaks because all we did 431 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: was we ran the Kansas Secondary brakes. He's a freshman 432 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 1: four point student I couldn't remember secondary breaks, just couldn't. 433 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: So we go like, hey, all right, here's the here's 434 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: the bet. And if you remember, if you've ever been 435 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: to a spaghetti factory, they have the crepe paper on 436 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: the table. So we give him a crayon. We're like, 437 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: if you can draw all five secondary brakes, you get 438 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: all that money. And he didn't. Can't do it. He 439 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: didn't get any money. He seconds there in transition is 440 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: so easy, there's barely any it's not the guy's a 441 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: brilliant guy with numbers, not great with his last practice 442 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: a year and a half later because he transferred midway 443 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: through his sophomore year. UH Coach Sutton he forgot something 444 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: in Coach Setton's like, my, you're the dumbest smart kid 445 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: we've ever had, which is true. Like just some people's 446 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: some guys can't do it and they're and they're they're 447 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: not dumb people, Like that's really like, and we have 448 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: people that we have. There's guys that I played with 449 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: that they couldn't they couldn't do school, like they weren't. 450 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: They weren't great with money, maybe even their English there 451 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: they had syntax issues whatever, but you put them on 452 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: a basketball court and you tell them where to be 453 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: and what to do and how to do it and 454 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: read the defense whatever. Savant, you're absolutely right. And I 455 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: always thought that was so fascinating to see how someone 456 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: who was not very bright was so uh innately intelligent 457 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: from a basketball acumen standpoint, not only understanding your plays 458 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: or where he's supposed to be, but understanding where the 459 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: center or the point guard is going to be. Everything. 460 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: That stuff, to me was was baffling. It still is. Yeah, 461 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: they understand why they understand. It's it's you know, I say, 462 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: it's called teaching them. Now, you got teaching. We teach 463 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: them the why now right, not what you're doing, why 464 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: you're doing it. But if somebody instinctively knows the why, 465 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: that's it's a tremendous advantage. It's it's really hard. It's 466 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: really hard to have to It's really hard to discuss 467 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: or explain to someone who hasn't played basketball at a 468 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: relatively high level, because once you start getting to college 469 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: and you start running a lot of different stuff, even 470 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: a secondary transition break it it will look seamless to 471 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: the fan, but there's a lot that's going on there. 472 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: And I remember We used throw in flex in high school, 473 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: and that's a pretty old school half the eyes couldn't 474 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: couldn't do it, and I never understood it. And until 475 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: you played, you really don't understand the value of just 476 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: understanding the offense. Yeah. Well, the other part about flex 477 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: is there's like there's a level to where you just 478 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: run it and you can get a live it out 479 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: of it. But if you really really know top and 480 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: you can do the push cat and I mean you 481 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: can get all kinds of get like you can get, 482 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: you can get twenty three points a game on especially 483 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: in high school. Yes, yes, um, okay, So let's let's 484 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: talk Brandon Roy. When did he initially hurt his knee 485 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: when he first heard it? So the misconception with Brandon 486 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: is that he had all these knee problems or he 487 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: had a specific knee surgery. It was degenerative knees. So 488 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: he got I think I think he did tears a 489 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: c L his sophomore junior high school. But he came 490 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: back really quick and he had a he had a 491 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: really good recovery and he was fine. And I remember 492 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: he was trying to qualify academically for you, dub And 493 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: we'll be in the gym every day together, and before 494 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: he would play, he would spend an hour or two 495 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: studying And I remember asking him, Um, at one point, 496 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, how how you feeling, Like how's your knees 497 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: and him saying, you know, it's not it's not when 498 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: I play now, it's if I play really hard for 499 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: four or five days in a row and then then 500 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: I need to come play. It's like that fifth or 501 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: sixth day that's really hard for me. And as he 502 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: got older, Doug then you started to see that become condensed. 503 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: Maybe not so much in college, but by his like 504 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: early on in his NBA career, you know, he was 505 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: all NBA. He was like a Dwayne Wade kind of player. 506 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: By the time he was like twenty three, that's when 507 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: you started to see those really bad degenerative neees really 508 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: come to really become a problem. And what happened would 509 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: be he'd be playing, they played back to back and 510 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: then they travel and that like next day he was 511 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: in a tremendous amount of pain, couldn't play. And so 512 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: with the NBA schedule and practices they were, they they 513 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: tried Portland's tried to to keep him fresh. Now, practice um, 514 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: every possible treatment, but as he got older, it got worse. 515 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: And I remember him telling me a few years ago 516 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: even I think it was in Seattle, you know, me saying, 517 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: would you ever try to come back? Because he was 518 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: still in great shape? And he said I would because 519 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: he would play in the pro ams and he killed. 520 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: He said I would, but I just can't because I 521 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: cannot play sustained amounts of basketball without having tremendous pain 522 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: the next day or two. Um. That league, obviously it's 523 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: been in the news, right, Uh Jamal Crows crossover yep 524 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: um one because you know previously it's been the highlight 525 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: factory for him and other guys would come in and 526 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, drop fifty, drop sixty. Yeah, but then then 527 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: you get Lebron there and yet there and then they 528 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: have to stop the game because of the court and 529 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: breaks his foot. Um, I don't know, Like, look, I 530 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: think you can break your foot anywhere. You can break 531 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: your foot. Work out the idea that a basketball player 532 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: is not gonna play basketball in the offseason. The only 533 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: difference is and even the idea that that was the court, 534 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: Like is that a high school or or your hunhry 535 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: So that's SPUs Cores. I've been playing there since I'm 536 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: twelve years old, and I played there in college as 537 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: It's SPU Seattle Pacific University. The Falcons really good. It's 538 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: a strong. Yeah, it's a college court. It's a really fun, 539 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: intimate arena. I think it seats max three thousand. It's 540 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: a glorified high school gym. It's nice, Jem, Yeah it is. Yeah, 541 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: it is. Can't break his foot because the court, Like 542 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: what do we know? If you watch it, it's because 543 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: he's going full speed backward, or Lebron is going full 544 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: speed and he's he's on his back foot with probably 545 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: not great balance, and Lebron steps on it and he 546 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: has all the a movement in weight that goes one 547 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: one way and his foot goes to the other. I 548 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: don't think. I mean they stopped the game in the 549 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: second quarter. That court. That court is so old, dog, 550 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it has dead spots. They've always had 551 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: an issue with um. You know, obviously it rained so 552 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: much in Seattle. They've always had an issue with the 553 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: pipes and house. Sometimes the floor we get wet. I 554 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: remember in college I got wet and we had to 555 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: stop the game. Or was it for a little bit 556 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: if it's raining outside. Was it raining that night? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 557 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 1: it wouldn't. Oh in Seattle, Uh, I'm sure. I mean 558 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: it's always in Seattle. Maybe in the summer it wasn't. 559 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: I don't even think it was actually now that you 560 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: say that, because it was like, yeah, maybe it's it's 561 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: it's inexcusable, not only because it's a college sport, because 562 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: because you have I mean, Jason Tatum and Chad and Lebron, 563 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: all these guys are there and for that not to 564 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: be in perfect condition is embarrassed, right, So what so 565 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: what happens do those guys? Are those guys allowed to 566 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 1: play in that league moving forward? I don't think you 567 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: could ever tell a guy you cannot play basketball, you 568 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: can't play in the league. I mean, look at Drew 569 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: League is another one. You guys have gotten hurt there. 570 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: But the crossover, the the unfortunate part is that it 571 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: had so much more man and they've really built it 572 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: up over the last like seven years in Jamal being 573 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: the godfather of Seattle basketball. I guess what they could 574 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: potentially do is move it over to you dub or 575 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: or see at you at Connley Center, which is a 576 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: similar arena, But I don't I don't think they would 577 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: ever tell hey, tell a guy, hey, you cannot play 578 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: in a program. I think that's crazy. I think that's insane. 579 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Can you imagine that would never happen. Yeah, 580 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: it happens. It happens. Jordan's famously had the love of 581 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: the game close right, because he liked to play. Yeah, 582 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, Like I understand saying you can't go skiing, 583 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: but to say you can't play in a pro and 584 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: it seems really far streushed to me. Did you go 585 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: skiing as a kid, Yeah, yeah, because I'm four. Yeah, 586 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: I grew up on a mountain. That's interesting because I 587 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: had never ski at all, and then like I was 588 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: at ESPN and uh yeah, I learned how to ski 589 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: at a very much much older age. Because hoopers don't 590 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: don't Hoopers don't ski jour I don't know enough on 591 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: the knees, sat hoopers, we're a different breeze. You're the 592 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: only stattle hooper that that skis. Another name, another name 593 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: me another snowboards, Brockman, stock Boards, I don't know. I 594 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: haven't talked to Johnny in a while. Um did he playing, 595 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: Did he play in the NBA? Yeah, of course, of 596 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: course he was good at a moment a moment. He 597 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: was an old freaking athletic dude. He was like six 598 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: seven Ship should have been a Hall of Fame tight end. 599 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: He would have been a great tight and he probably 600 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: had a forty two for he was a great player 601 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: before nowadays you have been a small ball five. He 602 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: could be a really good His brother played sp John 603 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: obviously when she he was a McDonald's. Uh so homeless. 604 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: I would say, there's no other Seattle Hooper. Is that 605 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: really ski? But you know I was our our school 606 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: and Seattle it's second Nates are Our school had a 607 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: ski bus on Friday nights. So I've been going to 608 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: the mount. I've been skiing some four years old. It's 609 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: it's it's something that I definitely love. Okay, Um, what's 610 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: it gonna take to bring the sun expect? Yeah, I've 611 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: never been asked to before, Doug. It's it's a it's 612 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: a tricky I think. So the biggest issue that they 613 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: have now is still the biggest issue we had, which 614 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: is there's not in there's not an NBA arena. K 615 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: Arena is now climate Pledge, which is a beautiful arena, 616 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: but it's strictly hockey. That's what the cracking are. The 617 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: best way to get a team back is to have 618 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: is to build an arena on the east side, which 619 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: will be which will be cheaper. Um for those are 620 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: not familiar, basically minutes from from downtown. Still really convenient 621 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Um no, no, the the 622 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: the arena is now outside of Key. The stadiums are 623 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: on the south side right there or they're yeah, they're 624 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: basically what's called Soto south of they just say south 625 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: of um, south of downtown uh so or south of 626 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: the Dome. There's no space there now because they used 627 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,959 Speaker 1: to be like zero yeah, the old safe go whenever 628 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: you want to call it Loumfield. They're almost right next 629 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: to each other. There's no space there. Key arenas are 630 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: right by Queen Anne, which is five minutes away. There's 631 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: no space there. Um So really the only spot to 632 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: put it would be in Bellevue or Kirkland or Written 633 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: which is where the Yeah, yeah, there's much more space there. 634 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: It's cheaper and and that's where you can see Scott 635 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: Hansen or one of these local guys say I'm gonna 636 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: personally find this or I'm gonna put a group together. Um. 637 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: I think the bigger question, don I woul throwback to 638 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: you is does the lead expand yes? Or does it 639 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: potentially move a team like Memphis or bad market? What? What? What? 640 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: What the league would consider not a good market. I 641 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: think they spanned. I think they spanned to Vegas in 642 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: Vegas and Seattle. In the Vegas and Seattle. Yeah, I 643 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: would love to see Vancouver get another team. I would too. 644 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: It was just two great city, the wrong time for 645 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: the LEA and it wasn't the right time for Vancouver. 646 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: And I don't think they had a real good feel 647 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: for how they were doing what they were doing, you know. 648 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: And then you also you had I mean the Steve 649 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: Francis thing, not I don't want to play there, just 650 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: heard him, you know. And I mean now you have 651 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: now you have guys that lived there, like this is amazing. 652 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: I don't think this is crazy, but I think just 653 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: a double down. I think Vancouver is absolutely right for 654 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: a team. It was way too early. You're absolutely right 655 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: as well in terms of guys wanted to live there. 656 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: It is a world class city. It's almost like Seattle 657 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: on steroids. It's a real international metropolis. It's like you 658 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: comin Seattle and Toronto. Yeah yeah, and Toronto go lucky 659 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: because they had evinced that really you know, developed that market. 660 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: But I think Seattle and Vegas ultimately will both get 661 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: teams and you'll see the NBA Expand your dad doesn't 662 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: want any part of getting back in. No, it's that's 663 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: like that would that that would never happen. Never, I think. 664 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: I think the chances of that are happening are better 665 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: than the chances are worth the chances of But but 666 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: bring the sonics back right, think about the story almost 667 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: like a movie. I trust me. I've asked him that 668 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: we've had that conversation. Um, but no, I don't see it. 669 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he just it's not only that he wouldn't 670 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: want to do it because he doesn't want to be 671 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: involved in a professional league, let alone the NBA, But 672 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: I just think the time and resources that would take 673 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: at this point in his life, having gone back to Starbucks, 674 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: he just a int and just too much. You know, 675 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: I think he I don't think he'd ever do it, 676 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: but we are. There's so many stories that I haven't 677 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: told about that time. I'll give you one. I have to, 678 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: but i'll tell you one because I've told the other 679 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: one real and broke my nose playing basketball. That's one 680 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: on purpose, but no, it was accident. Uh. But the 681 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: one that I'll tell you is I don't think I've 682 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: ever told the story, Um Dennis Rodmon. I think this 683 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: was probably two thousand, one thousand two. Uh, Dennis Rodden 684 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: wanted to come back or was entertaining a comeback. I 685 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 1: don't know what you're officially retired, but probably two thousand 686 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: maybe because he played after the Bowls. He played somewhere, right, 687 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: he played with the Spurs, the Lakes, the Lakers, Lakers 688 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: after the Lakers, right right, right, so I'll never forget. 689 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: We're here, We're in New York and uh, my dad says, uh, 690 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: Dennis Robins coming over today. And I was like, what 691 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: what do you mean. He goes, yeah, he wants to 692 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: he wants to play again, and he likes Seattle. I 693 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: guess he wants to maybe play for the Sonic. And 694 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, you have a side 695 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: to throb. This is amazing. Comes over and uh this, 696 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: this this is so fucking crazy. I'm sorry. It's ridiculous 697 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: looking back on it. He comes over and he's still 698 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: in great shape, looks looks twenty five years old. Um, nobody. 699 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 1: That looks like he's been working out with his agent. 700 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: And we have lunch. I remember We're sitting downstairs, were 701 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: eating fruit and lunch and very nice guy. Uh it 702 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: was it was was really nice to me as a 703 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: fourteen year old kid. Uh. We're talking and my dad says, 704 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: all right, Jordan's like, you got you gotta leave, Like 705 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: this is my cue and you're gonna talk business. So 706 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: I said, okay, And about twenty minutes later, I see 707 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: them walking around the house outside, so I go outside 708 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: to listen because I know where they are and I 709 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: could probably hear what they're talking about. No success. But 710 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: nonetheless I'm in the vicinity and about an hour goes by. 711 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: Dennis leaves. It was kind of unceremonious how he left, 712 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: and I said to my dad, it was like, what 713 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: what happened? He goes, Well, the long and the short 714 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: of it is he wants to come back. He he he 715 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: wants to play in Seattle. Oh great, you're gonna sign him? Unbelievable, No, 716 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, what is the money No, it's 717 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: it's actually not the money. It's I was like, what 718 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: is it? He goes, well, Dennis asked us if he 719 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: could come play for a year, but he doesn't really 720 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: want to play eighty two games. And I was like, Oh, 721 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: that's fine, play seventy games, play sixty five games. Yeah, 722 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: that's that's the part. He only wants to play about 723 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: ten to twelve games, and he wants to come back 724 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. And I was like, oh, what what 725 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: do you mean he's hurt, No, he wants he gotta 726 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: you gotta go to Vegas and bloss. He'll he'll he'll 727 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,479 Speaker 1: come to camp and he'll he'll play of the first 728 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: month or two and then he'll leave for like three months, 729 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: and then he'll come back for the playoffs stretch and 730 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,439 Speaker 1: he'll be ready to go by the playoffs. Done knows. 731 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: I was like, who cares, you know? But my dad 732 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: was like that will never never reply. Basically, the guy 733 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: was gonna play twenty games, yeah, and be ready for 734 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 1: the playoffs. But that was the end of the Dennis 735 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: rob and come back to Seattle store. Here's my here's 736 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: my Robbin story. So I used to do hot yoga 737 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: at a place down the street called Vibes Hot Yoga 738 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: and it became like the spot for all of our 739 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: So Scotty Brooks I've known for basically my entire life. 740 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: So Scotty lives near me. Scotty, he was an amazing 741 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: college player and then his ability to stick, with his 742 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: ability to stick, he have a four game and when 743 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: he was a right like they had dudes too, like 744 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: Wayne Englestad, they had they had pros. They could never 745 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: be Vegas to get to the tournament. That was a problem. Um, 746 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: and they shot three before it was cool to shoot threes. So, 747 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: so Scotty is the best man. I mean, he used 748 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: to kick my ass every summer and pick up talk 749 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 1: shipped to me. And now he's just like he's he's awesome. 750 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: So Scottie would be sometimes he bring an older guy 751 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: and then, uh, there's a buddy of mine named Dylan 752 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: Rigden who played at u c I in Arizona. He's 753 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,399 Speaker 1: a little bit older. Um, he played at Modern Day 754 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: and then Miles Simon when he started working the Lakers. 755 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: So we'd all do this yoga vibes at Yoga, and 756 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: it was a it ended up becoming like you start 757 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: to see a different side of the story, but I'll 758 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: tell you the story real quick. So we all do, 759 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: like I don't know, seven am yoga something. So there's like, 760 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, probably four or five of us hoopers and 761 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: you have Landry Fields would come down. He'd do with 762 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: us as well, or some of the guys. Kyle Fogg 763 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 1: Myles was workout. He blew up. So Miles is alreadys 764 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: always bringing like one of his hoopers, one of his buddies, 765 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: Me and Dylan and sometimes Scotti. So we get done 766 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,359 Speaker 1: doing yoga, we'll sit outside talk and then we leave. 767 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 1: And then like later on in the day, I get 768 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: a text like du went down with Vibes. I was like, no, 769 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: Like Dennis Robin came in with two women and they 770 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: got caught like shoplifting something from from the store part 771 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: to it. Right now, I don't think anything came of 772 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: it because I think what happened. So Vibes closed down 773 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: and apparently closed down because the guy who did it 774 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: was like not paying his rent and that that's like 775 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: so they got off right, So he was like, well no, 776 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: no, no no, So they were like he were like not 777 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: paying the rent, like the classes were dope. The setup 778 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: was dope and they and you know, you buying like 779 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: a class pass whatever, but they weren't paying any of 780 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: their bills. And then you know, you just close us 781 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 1: up shop and you go to go to somewhere else. 782 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: So again, a guess is that I don't know if 783 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 1: you owe Dennis money or what happened, but I know 784 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: nothing came. But that was like my only like you know, 785 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: Dennis Robbin lives. Hear you, yeah, like do you hear he? Yeah, dude, 786 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: I heard he shoplifted it like a hot yoga doesn't 787 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: make any sense. And it was like a Buddha statue 788 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: or something right right, it was something that they felt. 789 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: It felt like they were taking it as as as collateral. 790 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: That's what That's what really, that's what it did. Rest 791 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: in Peace vibes sounds like a great Yeah. No vibes 792 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: just just is absolutely no more. Um okay, uh last 793 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: thing last year Jordan or Lebron Jordan. I it's not 794 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: even I am close from me, I'm not even close. No, 795 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: I just I'm not. I'm with you. I didn't say 796 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: argue with you. But when you say that, why is 797 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: not close? Because because I grew up on Jordan's and 798 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen to this day, with respect to Lebron 799 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: and Kobe and anyone else you want to throw in 800 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: that conversation, I've never seen anyone have the combination of 801 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: skill power, athleticism and grace and competitiveness that Michael had. 802 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: Kobe was the closest thing to do it. But Michael, 803 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,399 Speaker 1: it was just unbelievable to watch him. Literally, I don't 804 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not with the other guys, but 805 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: there was a certain karash that that Mike had that 806 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 1: nobody else has to go six and oh in the finals, 807 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: to retire in the peak of his sorry to retire 808 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,360 Speaker 1: at the peak of his powers, and then come back. 809 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: We're in the forty five, they lose to the Magic 810 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: and Horse and then he says fuck you. He was 811 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: in the day the next day with Grover and they 812 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: win three more titles in a row. I remember that 813 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: series series against the Sonics very well. That was Seattle's 814 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: best team that that series went to six and that 815 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: was Gary and camp In, Della Percy Hawkins. A great team. Um. 816 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: I remember thinking as a young guy as that was 817 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,399 Speaker 1: ten Michael Jordan's is I asked my dad something like, 818 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: does Michael Jordan's have a certain power over other players. 819 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't even understand it because I remember thinking this, 820 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: this Sonics team was unbeatable, and then watching what Michael 821 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 1: did to Gary Payton, who was the best defender I've 822 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: ever seen. Remember when he said in the last dance, 823 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: I had no problem with the gloves. He he killed them. 824 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: So to me, Michael Jordan's is the best ever. I agree. 825 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I understand. I think part of 826 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: it is we a lot of the younger guys, you get, 827 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,919 Speaker 1: they haven't seen it. They didn't see it, they can't 828 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: experienced it. They didn't know it, you know, and they 829 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: say silly stuff. And he's a different player like this 830 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: is not to take away from the totally different Lebron. 831 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: Lebron is like a point for athletic magic Johnson, you know. 832 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: And the rules are different, you know, so Lebron is 833 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 1: able to be downhill more, more shoots, more threes. Um. 834 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: I think if you put Jordan in this era, he'd 835 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: be a forty point shoot an average points. There's no 836 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: power forwards and sometimes no centers, nobody at the rim, 837 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, Oh my god, think about think about the 838 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,919 Speaker 1: the clear path stuff at the Ram the way the Queen. 839 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: If you go back and watch, go back and watch 840 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: like the ninety three finals against Phoenix with Kevin Johnson 841 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 1: and who was fucking awesome. Jordan just destroys him, Marley. 842 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: These guys were great players. He had to match up 843 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: against your era, and what he did against the best 844 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,560 Speaker 1: players in his era was unbelievable. I don't know if Lebron, 845 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,400 Speaker 1: what would it take for for Lebron to for you 846 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,359 Speaker 1: to think Lebron was better? If you want like three 847 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: more titles. It's just it's like I've seen enough, Like 848 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: I think he's awesome, but I think he's awesome, but 849 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: I think, um, I don't know, I don't hold I 850 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 1: would even hold Dallas against him, Like the Dallas thing. 851 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,399 Speaker 1: There's a lot more that went into them losing than 852 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 1: just Lebron choked, which is what people are like. I 853 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: do think eventually he was. He was kind of like 854 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: k D when when they were up three games to 855 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: one on Golden State where in Game six, Clay's lighting 856 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: him up and k D forced it right, Like I 857 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: do think late in that series. But you know, like 858 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,439 Speaker 1: not discussed is Jason Williams was a starting point guard 859 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,760 Speaker 1: for the Miami Heat games one through five. He didn't 860 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: take off his sweats in game six because he was 861 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: so he was so bad, right, you're playing four on five. 862 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: Umo was the point guard like north Cole uh another 863 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: before Norris Cole I tho, No, I think it was 864 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 1: before Mario came in. But remember they also their center 865 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: was the kid from from UNLV that year, John Right. 866 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: So he didn't have a good he didn't have a 867 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:49,400 Speaker 1: good team, and Dirt was Dirk was amazing. But but 868 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: they did. They talked ship to Dirk, you know after 869 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: game one and yeah, that's bad. Um. Who is one 870 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: of those like college shots? And did it where a Lebron? 871 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 1: I feel like Lebron. I think he did the Seattle 872 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: thing for example, because I just think he likes to 873 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 1: be liked. Yeah, and I don't think Jordan's and Kobe 874 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: ever gave a shit about anybody liking him. No. I 875 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: think the bigger question is either who's two is a 876 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 1: Kobe or Lebron or someone else? And also who's the 877 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: best center ever? So you could say Kareem world a shot. 878 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 1: The problem with that is, like, again, the game has 879 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 1: changed so much. Yeah, I probably say Kareem, but I 880 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: know what you mean, Russell or whoever. It's hard. It's 881 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: also hard when we didn't see guys playing. Like I 882 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,439 Speaker 1: don't love talking about a guy that I didn't see 883 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 1: play live, you know, because my my thing with Chamberlain 884 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: is my dad was like he was a dog. He 885 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: was a sooker. You know, Bill Russell was in his head. 886 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,880 Speaker 1: He was he wasn't a good teammate. You know, he 887 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,280 Speaker 1: won with the Lakers. He was a shell of himself. 888 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,399 Speaker 1: Wasn't it wasn't his team whatever. But again that's from 889 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: my late father, who I can't plug for him. But 890 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: that's what people said and say about, right, But now 891 00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 1: you get the people just look at the stats and 892 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: well the stats is guy average thirty fifty game and 893 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: thirty rebounds, crazy crazy, All right, you gotta go break 894 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: NFL stories. This is awesome and I appreciate it. We're 895 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: gonna do some jew hoops up coming and you love that. 896 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: Can I ask you this, who is this safe to 897 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 1: say that Wilt is the He's got a He was 898 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: like the first NBA unicorn, though probably right, because nobody 899 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,279 Speaker 1: else was that big or athletic or coordinated, not even 900 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,560 Speaker 1: close he was a complete freaking nature, freaking nature. But 901 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,879 Speaker 1: but like so many freaks of nature, those guys often 902 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: don't develop skill because they don't have to, because they 903 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: still can be really, really effective then you get to 904 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: the top. I mean, it's what happens a lot of 905 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: a lot of high school prospects that are great, is 906 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: they don't develop all the other little things. You know. Yeah, yeah, 907 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: I would love to get some some Jewish hoops going. 908 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: Let me know. When you come to New York, open invite, 909 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: I'll get you. We can get like a good Jewish 910 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,399 Speaker 1: game and then like a little bit higher level game. 911 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 1: I like that. I I like being on a court 912 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: where I'm like the second Bevan, like the fifth to 913 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: seventh best guy, Right, I don't want to be every 914 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,840 Speaker 1: time they get it, they're like, yeah, I don't want that. Okay, 915 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,279 Speaker 1: I have a game for you. But the game where 916 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: like I'm the best player, that's not fun because I'm 917 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: not going in France though, right he played France. Who 918 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: you Yeah, I played in in Russia? Israel? Yeah yeah, yeah, 919 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: you know you're you're ready to go. That was twenty 920 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,359 Speaker 1: years ago, dude, I'm in good shape. I gotta get 921 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: in great shape. I gotta get what are you? What 922 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: are you weigh? What are you? Tough question? I'm at 923 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 1: like one nine five played, I played, so I'm like, 924 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: huh are six one? No? I mean with shoes so 925 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,600 Speaker 1: six f Yeah, dude, I'm I'm I'm a little swoll, 926 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: but a little too swoll in place that. But I 927 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: played like like I'm I gotta stocky kind of thick build. Yeah, 928 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,320 Speaker 1: I know, I've seen it highlight. Yeah. So so anyway, 929 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: all right, Jordan, you've been so calm with your time. Okay, dude, 930 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,719 Speaker 1: we'll talk soon, Yes, sir,