WEBVTT - Five Players from the Fall and Golf in England 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.200 And when I find my ball in a bright egg. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.840 Friday Egg and dreaded Frida Egg, Friday, Fridagg, Fridagg, Brian egg. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:38.120 Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the Welcome 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.600 back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I am your host, 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.120 Andy Johnson, and today I'm really excited. I am joined 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:47.199 by a couple guests here, all Friday Golf members. I 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.440 At first, we will be joined by Joseph Lamanna. He 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.159 does a ton of pro golf coverage. I wanted to 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.600 just debrief on what's going on in the fall. Who 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:59.720 are five UH players to watch from this fall? I 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.080 think Joseph had had some great notes. Great it was 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.360 a fun, fun chat, and we talk about that as 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:11.080 well as the kind of new live rules and regulations. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.720 No more fifty four holes, they're just seventy two. So 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.520 we talk with Joseph, and then I'm joined by our 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.160 very own Garrett Morrison and Matt Rushes, both of whom 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:23.920 do a lot of golf course and golf architecture content 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:29.120 for us. Obviously, Garrett has his Designing Golf podcast. We 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.959 talk about their recent trip to England, so kind of 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.679 about golf in England, the highlights of their trip where 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.360 they kind of hit the Surrey area as well as 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:44.640 the southeastern coast of England. 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I think this is 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.159 a lot of time where a lot of people tune out, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.360 but you know, in a way, a lot of stars 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.080 are born at this period. Maybe not stars, but good 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.960 PGA tour players start to gain traction and you know, 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.560 get their winning chops contention, and a lot of times 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.960 a good fall leads to a breakout year on tour 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.680 the following year. So you have been, you've had your 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.800 eyes glued to the TV. You've been, you know, go 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.360 just haven't missed a beat with the Bay Current. I 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.200 was in Austin a couple of weeks ago and I said, 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.760 do you want to go out to dinner? And he said, no, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.920 the Bag Current is coming on. I can't miss it. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.240 So anyways, I figured there's no better person to talk 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.800 to you about the Fall and what's going on. I 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.880 gave you the task. Let's talk about five players that 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:18.480 you've been impressed with this fall. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:24.600 Yeah, Don Henley Russell's father didn't realize that it could 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.360 be so relevant to the golf in twenty twenty five. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.440 Now this is sick oh hour, We're talking about fall golfers. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.080 The way I was thinking about this, Andy is like, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.760 if people haven't been watching any golf since the Open 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.560 or you know, maybe the Ryder Cup, but largely probably 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.159 unplugged since the Open, Like who are the players that 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:44.880 they need to keep an eye on going into next year. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:46.400 So that's kind of the way I've been thinking about it. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:47.880 And most of these are going to be young names. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.720 Think about think about there are a lot of people 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.960 that don't even know who Michael Brennan is. And you know, 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.880 Michael Brennan just came into my life and I'm already thinking, 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.400 is this life after Michael Brennan? Is this how we're 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.920 gonna remember it? Life before and after? 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:06.960 Are we going right into one of the names? Because 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.600 Michael Brennan, in all seriousness like that is I think 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.440 if we talked about nobody else today, that'd be the 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:13.640 golfer we need to talk about. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.840 Let's talk about him, all right? 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:20.599 So wins the Bank of Utah Championship, right, that is 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.279 his He had went won three times in six PGA 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.640 Tour America's starts came in really hot. 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.240 The Pika Tour of Americas is what used to be 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.720 Canada and Latin. They combined that tour a couple of 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.919 years ago, so it is a tour below the Corn 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.599 Faery Tour, which obviously is like Triple A and Baseball 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:40.719 for golf. 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.680 And now he's skipping the corn Fairy Tour, right because 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.640 he's won on the PGA Tour. And I think there's 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:49.880 a lot to chew on with Michael Brennan. First of all, 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:54.560 he's twenty three, he's young, he has the pedigree. He 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.600 was a good, very good college player at wake Forest, 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.080 went back to back ACC championships. I was texting a 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.920 little bit with a Mini tour player asking if he'd 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.400 ever played with Michael Brennan, and he was like, yes, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:11.080 that guy is a machine like he hits driver very well. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.120 And I think that's the part of the Bank of 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:18.080 Utah Championship performance that will resonate and will stick with 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:19.840 me the longest is that he didn't do it by 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:24.040 gaining ten shots with his putter. He smashes the ball 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.360 off the tee like high one eighties ball speed, elite speed, 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.160 strong command, like he was changing up his trajectories. I 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.080 don't know how much you watched at that tournament, Andy, 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.560 but he was hitting the low bullets like some of 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.360 the high launch drives. The guy has a lot of game, 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.000 apparently has a really strong work ethic. Like I think 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.280 this is somebody that we could be talking about as 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.560 a top twenty player in the world this time next 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.640 year potentially, right, it's hard to say, but he actually 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.600 he has the game in the skill set that looks 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.239 like it could translate to the next level. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.680 I mean, he's played in I think this was his 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.680 third PGA Tour start, but you know, first since the 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:04.520 Mayor because he's he's number forty two in the world 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.920 now after this, like which shows how good he was 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.960 in America's and I think, like in the world the 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:17.440 PGA Tour, you we get like hyper fixated on the 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.760 first three or four names on that PGA Tour list, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.640 every U list every year, and it's like, these are 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.880 the guys. I think Michael Brennan was like twelve, but 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:32.520 it is not inconceivable, like to see the twelfth player 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.640 in an NBA Draft, be the best player in the 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.880 NBA like Tyrese Haliburton I think went twelve, Giannis went 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.360 fifteen or sixteen, nicolea Jokicic went in the second round. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.559 You talk about baseball, you look at the top one 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.040 hundred prospects lists, it's not always the number one prospect 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.360 that ends up the best player. I think if if 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.880 I were going to make a comparison, not and this 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.680 is not a meant to be like an Apple's apples 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.199 compared if you were going to put Scotti Scheffler on 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.520 a PGA tour U list when he was at Texas, 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.240 he would have been in the eight to twelve range. 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.360 He was a He was kind of one of the 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.000 last players selected onto the Walker Cup team at LACC, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.680 which gives you an idea of like where he fell 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.480 in the grand scheme of things. And this is like 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.480 projecting prospects in any endeavor is almost is so difficult 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.400 and so challenging. There's obviously can't miss people that come up, 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.000 but there's there's no reason why Michael Brennan doesn't end 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.120 up being the best young player in the game. That's 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.640 it's conceivable and based off what he did in Latin America. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.600 I think it's like it's like he has real results 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.640 on a real tour, which you know, not a lot 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.840 of people have ever played on that tour as well 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.439 as as he has. You know, he I think he 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.120 played in fifteen events and had twelve top tens. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.679 Yeah, you know, it's a great conversation around why certain 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.560 players make it and others don't. But I do think 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.000 a through line in professional golf is not getting bored 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.440 is the players who are willing to just plot it 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:15.280 out year after year, and from what I understand anecdotally, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.320 like Michael Brennan is a very very hard worker, so 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.680 I'm excited about him. Who knows golf so hard to predict. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.439 I think it's really hard to say that Michael Brennan's 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.120 going to be ex player in the world within the 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.120 next two years. But he's twenty three, and we are 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.360 seeing all of the best golfers in the world play 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.960 their best golf between twenty seven and thirty five. He's 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.280 got three four years to develop now has his PGA 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.800 Tour card. I'm excited about what he could do next year, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.080 let alone three years from now, when he's had a 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.000 little time to develop and he has that proven track 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.720 record he won eight times in college. Andy like he's 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:48.920 not coming out of note stud. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:51.960 I mean, back to back ACC Player of the Year 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.960 is like pretty crazy. I think the you know, the 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.800 other thing that I like about the Michael Brennan story 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.720 is he wasn't. I think like one of the challenging 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.600 things that the Leuke Clanton's of the world, the Gordon 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:10.120 Sergeants of the world that are just handed a PGA 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.440 Tour card are going to have to deal with is 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:17.079 that they have faced zero adversity generally, and they get 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.800 to the PGA Tour and all of a sudden, you know, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.080 their entire life, they've been this big fish in a 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.240 small pond type thing and they go there and it 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.559 might take a couple of years to work out and 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:32.200 that adjustment of not being necessarily the guy. We saw 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.079 Clanton and I think, like I'm not selling Clanton stock 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.280 or anything, but you saw he had this meteoric rise 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.559 as an amateur where like expectations are low, like you 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.640 you're playing in these events and it's like, well, whatever 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.840 happens happens, and you know, since then, it's bet he's 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.600 cooled off a bit. He's been a good not great 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.280 player on the PGA Tour, and I think that is 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.960 going to be some a normal cadence for this number 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.360 one player on PGA Tour. You similarly, it feels like 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.960 Michael Thorpjordson, after a year and a half on the 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.000 PGA Tour is starting to put it together. And that 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:14.000 is like an example of that. Michael Brennan. He went 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.440 from being the guy you know in the acc A 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.320 Great Golf Conference, a one of the bona fide top 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.880 players in college golf, and you get shipped off and 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:25.959 you got to go figure out life in Latin America 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:30.240 and Canada, and that is like that's work. That's a 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.440 huge adjustment. And he went down there and just dominated. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:37.320 And I think that that experience will lend him a 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.839 lot of benefits where he doesn't necessarily take things for 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.440 granted like someone who has just handed a PGA Tour card. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.360 And another point on that, you don't get to hit 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.280 driver everywhere on a lot of those golf courses and 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.320 PGA Tour America's, which is one of Michael Brennan. It 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.200 is his biggest strength. He tears the cover off the 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.000 golf ball. So I think seeing the consistent results from 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.560 him on the PGA Tour Americas is some indication that 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.680 he's got more game than just bashing driver over and over. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.120 You reference somebody like Luke Clant, like I think what 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.800 we're seeing andy a lot of these golfers who are 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.720 struggling their first few years on tour, and even like 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.920 Ludwig has not been as consistent as I think a 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.360 lot of people expected him to be, myself included. I 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.840 think often what happens there is when golfers aren't on 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.960 they don't necessarily have the well rounded skill set and 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.120 they haven't learned all of the other shots they can 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:34.160 go to to produce consistent results. So when you're twenty 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.600 four to twenty five, you're somebody like Luke Clinton, you're 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.720 feeling a little bit off with your swing, you're suffering 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.440 some adversity, you see some of those poor results. So 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.560 I'm eager to see what Michael Brennan again, give him 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.640 a couple of years, but I don't think we should 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.080 expect much until he is twenty six or so anyway. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.360 So I'm just very optimistic about what we've seen from 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:50.920 him so far. 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:54.680 I'm excited. They're obviously playing this week. I can't wait 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.559 to watch and see what he does this week. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:57.760 Good set up for him too. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.760 Yeah, and one last thing with Brennan. You talked about 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:08.680 the driving prowess. What's extra I think impressive about what 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.280 he did in Utah was that iss a golf course 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:15.840 that it has heavy, heavy penalty for missus. He hits 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.720 it really hard, which promotes, you know, kind of bigger 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.040 foul balls. The harder you hit it, the more offline 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.320 it can go. And what I was like so impressed 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.880 with was it's like Sunday, he's leading by four or 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.680 five basically all day and he is still just all 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.160 out assault with the driver on that golf course where 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.880 I think so many people would have put it in 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.400 neutral and been like okay, like I'm just gonna avoid 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.480 penalty strokes and try and like kind of plot my 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.040 way around the golf course. He just kept doing what 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.560 he was what he planned to do. It was hyper 0:14:55.600 --> 0:15:00.040 aggressive on a golf course that punishes over aggressiveness. I 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.520 thought that was what impressed me the most was he 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:07.880 dismantled a golf course that with with long drives, on 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:13.480 a golf course that penalizes generally the bomb and gouge methodology. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:14.960 Yeah. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.760 Fair, I mean there's a lot of room out there. 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.000 But yes, he continued to keep the throttle down basically 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.360 until the last hole, and he led the field in strokes, 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.080 gained off the tee, put up a huge number. So yeah, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:26.920 very optimistic about him. He's got a game that seems 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.640 to translate. Do you want me to move to my 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:29.480 second name here? 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.040 Well, I mean we could just keep talking about Michael Brennan. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:32.800 I'm down to. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.680 The story of fall right now. What's the number? What's 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.600 the number two? For you? 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.320 You may know this in doing prep for this pod, 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.680 but there's one golfer andy who has at least two 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.640 starts on the PGA Tour this fall and has finished 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.880 top ten in every PGA Tour event he's played. And 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:51.920 do you know who that is? 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:58.800 Wow? Wait, he's He's got at least two starts this fall, yep, 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.480 and finished top ten and all top ten in every 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.840 PGA Tour event he's played in. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:05.920 This fault Yeah, I mean it's a little bit of 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:10.320 a sickoh stat, but I'll throw it rico. Ho that 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:11.040 is close. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.040 I believe he missed the cut at one event. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.600 He's three of four that's another player we may get to. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:16.360 But no, there's a. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.440 Player because I was ready to talk Rico Hoey. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.000 We can talk Ricoh. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:22.160 I want this one though. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:24.200 Garrick Higgo. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.680 Hey, that Garrick Higgo. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.240 Is an interesting name. I think he's flying so far 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:32.040 under the radar. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.400 And a lot of that's that he's going to cut 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:34.760 his hair. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:37.800 You know, I don't know the current length of his hair. 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:39.000 I overlooked that, and. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.120 I think cut his hair, which could be could be 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.440 part of it. You can't those beautiful locks. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.880 Yeah, maybe that is part of it. But with Garrick, 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.760 he's he's an interesting name. I'd be curious what you 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.640 think of him. He's basically been struggling in obscurity the 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:00.160 last couple of years after a pretty successful start to 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.480 his professional career. He won I think three or four 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.000 times in twenty twenty one, including on the PGA Tour. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.680 He won that Palmetto Championship yeah at Conngrey, yeah, back 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.280 in June. And that wasn't a super strong field, but 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:13.879 it wasn't a weak field either. I mean he won 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.960 a legit PJ Tour event. Now he's put up three 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.440 straight top tens hits the crap out of the ball 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.800 like a high one eighties ball. Speed guy. I don't know. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.840 He has put together a pretty decently He won on 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.679 the Challenge Tour, he won on the DP World Tour. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.600 I want to say he has something like eight wins worldwide. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.040 He's twenty six. Andy Like, I don't know that I 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.480 expect this guy to be a top thirty player on 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.840 the PGA Tour next year. But sometimes, like you're mentioning, 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.159 stuff develops on its own timeline. Garrickkgo t seven at 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.960 the Pro Corps, second at Sanderson, fourth at Bay Current, 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:52.400 another good opportunity this week at al at El Cardinal. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.280 I don't think it's crazy that we see a leap 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.080 from him and he's a pretty good PGA Tour player 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.080 next year. Not a superstar, but he's somebody to keep 0:17:59.080 --> 0:17:59.520 an eye on. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:05.160 Obviously. I think like he has the ingredients of what 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.119 you look for for somebody to play well. And along 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.080 the lines of Brennan is a young player who had 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.360 like tremendous success four years ago. You know, I mean 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:19.480 it was you know, we joked about life after Michael Brennan. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.879 You could say the same thing what happened with Garret 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.760 Kigo when he won that event, Like everybody is like, 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:32.760 you know, and I just think again, adversity struggles. People 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:36.479 paint them as bad things for golfers. I think if 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.639 you look at like the longevity of a career, if 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:43.240 you're able to come through where things don't go your way, 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.399 it leads to a better, you know, career in the 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.000 long run because you have handled that kind of stuff. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.240 And I think it's just like an important aspect of golf. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.960 Like it you know, you'll you'll look at like Kyle 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.200 Moore Kawer right now that's struggling right up into Bill 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.560 this year. He's never had any of that in his life, 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.280 and it I think it probably gets more difficult to 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.480 deal with the longer you go without it. And I'm 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.560 very you know, Higo. I remember, you know, there are 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.160 a lot of Ryder President's Cup buzz around, Higo, and 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.680 I think like it's an interesting aspect of next year. 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.080 And obviously the President's Cup is not the Ryder Cup, 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.960 but these guys like the more there there's more international 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.600 talent than ever before, and most of it's young, and 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.919 it's like if some of these guys could take a step, 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.680 it makes that competition a lot more interesting. 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.959 He's twenty six, just to put that out there, right, 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.320 So now you're talking about a golfer with a good 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.359 track record in college and he turned probably after his 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:49.440 sophomore year. Was a good college player. One Challenge Tour, 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.960 DP World Tour. Now he's gone through some of those struggles, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.800 has traveled the world, probably has a lot of experience 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:56.639 under his belt that he can draw up on finding 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.520 his game again at twenty six, entering the sweet spot 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.280 of his career. So yeah, I don't again don't think 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:02.679 this is a top ten player in the world, but 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.080 I'm keeping an eye on him. Anything else with Higo 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:06.000 Andy or should we move? 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.359 I you know, he's got to bring back the flow. 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:10.840 Okay, I like that. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:12.800 Who's an act. 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.680 Let's go, Let's go Rico Hoey. You touched on him, 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.520 some great reporting from Sean Martin back at the NAPA Tournament. 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:25.080 Appropriate when Rico put the broomstick in the bag. I 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:26.840 don't I don't know if you can overstate how bad 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.080 of a putter Rico Hoey is. He is like dead last, right, 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:34.040 dead last, dead last and bad. And when you have 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.840 a great ball striker, which Rico Hooey is. I believe 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.600 he's second on tour strokes, haining off the T eighth 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.399 strokes gained approach. Some of that is because he's not 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.560 playing the strongest field, so you can, you know, lower 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.720 those numbers a little bit. But he's a very good 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:49.760 ball striker. When you have a great ball striker who 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:53.919 stinks with the putter, you see a lot of you 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.159 see some missed cuts, you see some T eights, some 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.199 T fifteen's, they struggle to break through because obviously the 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.800 putter is just you know, negative four for the week 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:07.080 is really hard to recover from, especially under me, Like. 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:11.760 It's more hard to recover mentally than the score ford all. 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:15.520 Of those things. Yeah, so the broomstick. How good of 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.840 a putter can Rico Hoey become with the broomstick? Like, 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:22.040 I think expectations should be, uh there, I think he's 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.600 but yeah, if he is average, all of a sudden 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.800 he's in. He's probably winning PGA toward non signature events 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.760 and you know, maybe getting into some of those signature 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.560