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Speaker 1: Was that? Did that create friction there? It did, But

424
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Speaker 1: it was a wonderful thing in a certain sense that

425
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Speaker 1: he was able to do that. What happened is I

426
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Speaker 1: was chosen while I was a graduate student at Harvard

427
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Speaker 1: as a White House Fellow. It's a fabulous program and

428
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Speaker 1: still exists today. For those who aren't familiar with the

429
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Speaker 1: Vietnam War. Yeve we won that one didn't know, Carolina.

430
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Speaker 1: You have to deal with him. You have to deal

431
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Speaker 1: with him as you do I understand. Anyway, what happens

432
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: is I get chosen as a White House fellow. We

433
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Speaker 1: have a big dance at the White House. He does

434
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Speaker 1: dance with me. But it's not that weird because there's

435
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: only three women. No, not not well, sort of like

436
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: you know Texas. You know, you go towards the floor

437
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: and you come up, but there are only three women

438
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Speaker 1: out of the sixteen white s wels. So it wasn't

439
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Speaker 1: weird that he asked me to dance. But while we danced,

440
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: he whispered that he wanted me to be assigned directly

441
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: to him in the White House instead of to another

442
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: cabinet officer. So that all seemed fine. But then a

443
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Speaker 1: few days later a friend of mine and I previously

444
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Speaker 1: very much involved in the anti war movement, had written

445
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Speaker 1: an article against l b J which we'd sent to

446
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: the New Republic but heard nothing, and it suddenly appeared

447
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: right after the dance with the title how to Remove

448
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Speaker 1: lb J from Power. So I was certain he would

449
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: kick me out of the program, but instead, surprisingly he said, oh,

450
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: bring it down here for a year and if I

451
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: can't win her over, no one can. So I did

452
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: eventually end up working for him in the White House

453
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Speaker 1: and then accompany him to his ranch to help him

454
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Speaker 1: on his memoirs. You know, never fully understanding why he

455
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Speaker 1: had chosen me to spend so many hours with. I

456
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: like to believe it was because I was a good

457
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Speaker 1: listener and he was great storyteller. At sabular stories. There

458
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 1: was a problem with these stories that you might understand

459
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: that half of them aren't true, but they were great

460
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: done the last and I loved listening to them. Um.

461
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Speaker 1: But also I worried that part of it was that

462
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: I was then a young woman and he had somewhat

463
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Speaker 1: of a minor league womanizing reputation. So I was constantly

464
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Speaker 1: chattering to him about steady boyfriends, even when I had

465
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Speaker 1: no boyfriends. And everything was perfect until one day he

466
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: said he wanted to discuss our relationship, and he took

467
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Speaker 1: me to a picnic on the lake, you know, with

468
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Speaker 1: red check cable cloth. No, no, this was just in

469
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Speaker 1: this normal car. We didn't get into that one. But

470
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: while we seemed to be the lake a lot in

471
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Speaker 1: these stories. Anyway, he started out with all these romantic

472
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Speaker 1: trappings around him, saying, Doris more than any other woman

473
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Speaker 1: I have ever known. And my heart sank. And then

474
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Speaker 1: he said, you remind me of my mother. It was

475
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Speaker 1: pretty embarrassing given what was going on in my mind. Goodness,

476
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: that happens to me a lot does. Were with Ron

477
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: too well, actually picnic once and I was really concerned

478
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: that I was going to get hit on. But and

479
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: he just tried to entire me. No, I said, you

480
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: remind me of my grandmother. She was a real piece

481
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Speaker 1: of work. What's fun for you two to be together?

482
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: It sounds good. We have a great back and forth.

483
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Speaker 1: I can hear it. I am Carolina's lb J to

484
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Speaker 1: her Doris Kern's Goodwin sometimes. In fact, I think you

485
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: should call me lb J from now on. Okay, that's

486
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: going to be confusing, but it might. We'll table that

487
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: for now. You'll still be wrong for a little while long.

488
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Speaker 1: I'll still be wrong for I think it's impressive though,

489
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: that at President Johnson, despite your political stance, he was

490
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: still welcoming because he thought you were a smart cookie. Yeah. No,

491
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: I mean, how much of it had to do with

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Speaker 1: the fact that I was a young woman. How much

493
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: of it had to do with the fact that I

494
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: was from that Harvard place, and he always knew the

495
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: history might be written by the Harvards. But it turned

496
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: out to be the formative relationship in my life, because

497
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Speaker 1: that's what really made me a presidential historian, because I

498
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: wrote my first book on him, and then after that

499
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: comes Kennedy's, after that comes af DR and then Lincoln,

500
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: and then Teddy and taft. I mean, I've spent all

501
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: these years, as I say, living with these dead presidents.

502
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: My only fear is that in the afterlife it's going

503
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: to be a panel of all of them, and all

504
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: of them want to tell me everything I got wrong

505
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: right or I missed about them. And then the only

506
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: fear I have after I've not answered their questions or

507
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: that haven't told them the right thing, is the first

508
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 1: person to scream will be lb J. You know. How

509
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: come that damn book on the Roosevelts was twice as

510
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: long as the book he wrote about me. So this

511
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: afterlife may not be as much fun as it's been,

512
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: but it's been great fun to study dead presidents in

513
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Speaker 1: my whole life. I wouldn't change it for anything. I

514
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: catapult back into another time era I can learn about

515
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: what it was like to live, you know, in the

516
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Speaker 1: nineteenth century and the twentieth century. It's great. When when

517
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: is your Millard Fillmore book coming out? That? How don't

518
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: you know that's next? He's my favorite character because of

519
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: his name Millard. Nobody has about that. He couldn't be

520
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: elected now with the name of Millard Fillmore. No, well,

521
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: I you should call him Millie. Maybe I don't know.

522
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he interests historians only because of his name.

523
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: But I think I have to really care about the person.

524
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: That's why I don't know who I'm doing next. And

525
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: I like them to write diaries and and keep letters

526
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: so that you can really go back into their emotional lives.

527
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: And any of our president day presidents don't do this.

528
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Speaker 1: Here's the problem. In the afterlife, Millard Fillmore is going

529
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: to be like, why didn't you write a book about me? Yeah,

530
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: there'll be a lot of them up there, or maybe

531
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: they'll be glad I didn't write about them. But no,

532
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: that's not true, because I never choose somebody that I

533
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: don't want to live with over a period of time.

534
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: I could never write about Mussolini or Hitler or you know,

535
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: one of the bad Or Buchanan, one of those crazy,

536
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: bad presidents. So I just want to wake up with

537
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: them in the morning, think about them when I go

538
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: to bed at night, and they're gonna make mistakes like

539
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: everybody does. I'll be mad and disappointed at them. Basically,

540
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: I'll respect and feel enormous affection, especially toward Lincoln. I mean,

541
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Speaker 1: he's the best. Did you Is it true that Taft

542
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: got stuck in his bath? It is a true story.

543
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean it's a story that's true enough that it

544
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 1: can be told again. And he weighed about three pounds

545
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: or you know what. There's a children's book that's probably

546
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: not true, which is adorable. However, my grandchildren loved it.

547
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: Oh that's a children's book. Yeah, that's a child No,

548
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: but there's a story that's real that he had a tub.

549
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: There's a picture of him in a tub being made

550
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: by four workmen. Oh no, I've read it. You've read

551
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: the child didn't realize it was a children's book, though.

552
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: They explode and finally out of the tub, and you

553
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: may remember and then he's like Ferdinand, you know, with

554
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: the flowers. He's sitting with nothing much on on the grass.

555
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: So you do remember these things you reading excellent, Doris.

556
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: We can't thank you enough for coming on the podcast.

557
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: We got to rehash some old ground and thank you

558
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: for being forthright. I really appreciate it. And and like

559
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: I said, I I had a ring in a box

560
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: ready for it was going to go down to a knee. Um,

561
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: oh my god. I was gonna ask your father permission. Uh.

562
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: I even had a Brooklyn Dodger hat that was going

563
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Speaker 1: to wear. Oh my god. And this is now a

564
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: vision that will be in my head. Yes, and that's

565
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: a good thing. Right. We can both imagine what might

566
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: have been. That's what historians do all the time. We

567
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: try to think what might have been if somebody had

568
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: made a different decision, if somebody had died and somebody

569
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: had lived. So just think about the both of us

570
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: living in a one bedroom apartment, just screaming at each other,

571
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: throwing plates against the wall. But I well, it's it's exciting.

572
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: It's like, who's afraid of Virginia Wolf? Oh see, look

573
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: he's he throwing these literary analogies. You see, he's gonna

574
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: surprise me. Who is afraid of Virginia Wolf? Not me? Yeah?

575
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: Same here? Not me? What fun to talk to you again.

576
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: It's really it's it's great to catch up, Doris. I mean,

577
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm telling you the one thing that I think we

578
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: need more than anything today is humor among one of

579
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: our leaders. I mean, Abraham Lincoln had it, and and

580
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: that's why we need to be able to laugh at ourselves,

581
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: you know. And somebody yelled at one point you you

582
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: were too faced, Mr line can in a debate, nil back.

583
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: If I had two faces, do you think I'd have

584
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: this face? I mean, that's what we need. These people

585
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: take themselves. He was not a no oh no, I'm

586
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: telling you. I was on John Stewart one night or Pulbert.

587
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: I think it was Stewart first. And I mentioned when

588
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: the book first came out a team of rivals that

589
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: I there's a picture of Lincoln before his beard and

590
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: his hair is kind of wild, and he looks really rugged.

591
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: And I said, he's really sexy. I've never been able

592
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: to live that down. That's not your first thought about

593
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. But look then, when Daniel day Lewis became

594
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln, I was right, and I got to know

595
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: him and he became my friend, and I half fell

596
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: in love with him, like I was in love with

597
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: Lincoln and you can't say he's ugly, and he's Lincoln right,

598
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: hottest politician though. I see Bobby Kennedy, he was pretty extraordinary.

599
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: Oh you see you like that old fashioned type. I'll

600
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: take Tip O'Neil. He's like an FDR figure. But my

601
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: husband was actually with Bobby when he died. He was

602
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: very close friends with Bobby. And um, I'm looking at

603
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: it weirdly as we're speaking. I'm looking at a picture.

604
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Speaker 1: My husband died a year ago, and he was the

605
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: most extraordinary character. He worked for JFK, lb J McCarthy,

606
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy, and he worked on the Ripples of Hope speech.

607
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: This is on Bobby's grave. He did the we Shall

608
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: Overcome speech for lb J. Anyway, I'm looking at a

609
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: picture as we're talking of Bobby and my husband in

610
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: the campaign, as they're in California right before he died,

611
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: and Bobby's looking pretty good. As you might say. Now,

612
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: he was an amazing character. He would have been, I think,

613
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: a really good president because he'd been through so much.

614
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: All presidents that are great and my judgment, have gone

615
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: through adversity. In Lincoln had a near suicidal depression. Franklin

616
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: Roosevelt abctousally lost his power to walk with his polio

617
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt lost his wife and mother on the same

618
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: day in the same house, and they all became better leaders.

619
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: And of course that that was it. Yeah, that changed everything.

620
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: And then they went away, disappeared on time, just exactly untime.

621
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Speaker 1: He had a sense of timing absolutely. Yeah. Well, Doris,

622
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: thanks again, great to catch up with you. Yeah, what

623
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: great fun for me too. I'm really glad we could

624
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: do this. I'll see you guys soon. Alright, Okay, take

625
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: care of Doris Kern's goodwin. Everyone on the Ron Burgundy

626
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: podcast will be right back after this. Edward back on

627
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Speaker 1: the Ron Burgundy Podcast. My final thoughts, Carolina, Wow, Doris,

628
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: it was a real gossip, don't you think. What do

629
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Speaker 1: you mean? I mean, oh, that t She just spilled

630
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: about her old boss Lindon and that that guy FBI. So,

631
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she's a historian, but geez, I was like,

632
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: is any of that your business? She's go and through

633
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: people's letters for grapsake? Well, you know what, that brings

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Speaker 1: up a really interesting point. I mean, what are we

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Speaker 1: Certainly their families do, but what about post humans. I

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Speaker 1: think that's all for today, folks. I'm tired, and frankly

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Speaker 1: i'm a I'm missing a friend, Ruth. Ruth, if you're listening,

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Speaker 1: I know you are. Chrince Peter Ginsburg listens to our podcast.

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Speaker 1: I love you. Please just text me back, just one

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Speaker 1: emoji will suffice it a kissy face or or the

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Speaker 1: two pink hearts. Let's see you at breakfast. And and

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Speaker 1: you know what, Ruth, if you're going to ignore me,

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Speaker 1: that's fine because I think Doris and I got it

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Speaker 1: back on track today, So you know, Ruth, don't wait

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Speaker 1: too long because I got good old DKG hot back

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Speaker 1: on my trail. Oh, Doris, thanks again. It's great to reconnect.

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Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe we I don't know. I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna wait by the phone for either one of you

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Speaker 1: because I got things to do, all right. This is

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Speaker 1: Ron Burgundy, A k Lyndon Baines Johnson signing off one

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Speaker 1: more time for the Ron Burgundy Podcast. The Ron Burgundy

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Speaker 1: Podcast is a production of I Heart Radio and Funnier Dot.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ron Burgundy, the host, writer and executive producer. Carolina

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Speaker 1: are Jack O'Brien, Nick Stump, Miles Gray, and Whitney hot Act.

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