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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season three, episode five

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Speaker 1: of The Daily Zeitgeist four October two thousand seventeen. It's

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Speaker 1: the season finale, another season. My name is Jack O'Brien

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Speaker 1: coole J my A. I am screen name rest in Peace,

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Speaker 1: uh and I'm joined by my co host, Mr Miles Gray.

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Speaker 1: I just want to start off with a little fact

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Speaker 1: people may or may not know, and I want to

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Speaker 1: pose this guy's to you, true or false. Elton John

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Speaker 1: helped Eminem get clean. True? Okay, yes, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that, and that is crazy. Eminem called when he

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Speaker 1: was addicted to Viking and called Elton John and he

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Speaker 1: got him to his addiction recovering drug addict. Right, it

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Speaker 1: was crazy. I didn't think, Hey anyway, I just want

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Speaker 1: to throw facts out. That's my new thing. You should

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Speaker 1: have said, Billy Joel. That would have been like just

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Speaker 1: weird enough. Oh, I got a Billy Joel fact. How

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Speaker 1: about this? Did you know that he he buys up

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Speaker 1: the front row of every one of his shows gives

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Speaker 1: them to people who have cheap seats because he wants

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Speaker 1: real fans in the front room. Hell yeah is the man,

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Speaker 1: and we're thrilled to be joined in our third seat

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Speaker 1: by the hilarious stand up comedy writer, just all around

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Speaker 1: great person Teresa Lee a k Larisa t on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: What's up? How are you good? What's up? Do you know?

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Speaker 1: I've never I don't know what Billy Joel looks like

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Speaker 1: to this day because people have said that he's ugly,

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Speaker 1: and I like his music, and his music makes don't

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see Okay, that's no. I've like

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Speaker 1: actively gone out of my way to not look him

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Speaker 1: up because I don't want to see an ugly man.

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Speaker 1: Uh and connected to these songs, I like, have you

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Speaker 1: seen Star Wars? Yes? Have you seen Darth Vader with

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Speaker 1: his mask on? He's not really what yo? He's not that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not it's that bad. I'm just saying. There's a

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Speaker 1: Twitter A picture on Twitter recent went around surprisingly similar.

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Speaker 1: I don't want not to ugly shame. I think it's

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Speaker 1: fine if you're ugly. I just hear the music and

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Speaker 1: think of him as this, like handsome Harry Connick Jr.

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Speaker 1: Like I want to imagine this like piano Man. That's

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Speaker 1: just like, just picture a piano with arms. That that's

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Speaker 1: what we had. My favorite T shirt that we we

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Speaker 1: had a brief T shirt store cracked and uh. The

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Speaker 1: one T shirt that I was like adamant was going

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Speaker 1: to be a hit was the cover of Billy Joel

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Speaker 1: Piano Man. And it was just a transformer that was

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Speaker 1: like a piano and nobody bought it except for me.

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Speaker 1: I bought three people's tastes trashed. I would have bought

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Speaker 1: the piano Man shirt. That's fucking awesome. Uh, Teresa, what

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Speaker 1: is a search from the past few days that is

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Speaker 1: revealing about who you are as a human being? Oh? Um?

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Speaker 1: I search? How do you wake yourself up from a dream?

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Speaker 1: Because I had one of those like dreams within a dreams.

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Speaker 1: You know when you go to sleep in the morning,

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Speaker 1: like you go back to sleep, that's usually it happens,

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Speaker 1: and then you dream you woke up and had a day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I had a dream like that, but it was

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Speaker 1: like so many layers and it didn't I didn't know

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Speaker 1: once I figured so in the dream, I woke up

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Speaker 1: oh great, I put my wig on to sleep so

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Speaker 1: I can get in character. That's more perfectly reasonable, keep

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Speaker 1: a lucid dream like you kind of became where we're where.

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Speaker 1: you ever lucid dream? Do you know how to lose it?

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Speaker 1: write shut down. Yeah, that's what they say, like every time.

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Speaker 1: If you can start building that memory, you'll start to

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Speaker 1: see the patterns in your dream and be like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing like I don't have my shoe on because

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Speaker 1: lucid dream more. Yeah all right, well I'm gonna start

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Speaker 1: doing that, all right. What's something that you believe is overrated? Overrated?

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Speaker 1: I think adult birthdays are overrated. I just had a birthday,

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Speaker 1: should celebrate birthday's past eighteen Wait? Why? They just feel

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Speaker 1: because as an adult, you have to tell people it's

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't want to tell people

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Speaker 1: in person it's my birthday. But then you start feeling

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Speaker 1: and just feel bad for dumb things, right, and I

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Speaker 1: think they're dumb. Yeah. I don't like to tell people

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Speaker 1: about Mike. I know, we had a we were in

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Speaker 1: to the Coke Museum. We just go on a little

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Speaker 1: fun uh no, that's where the corporate headquarters are, and

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Speaker 1: we spent an entire day with Miles not knowing it

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Speaker 1: was his birthday. Yeah, that's real. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's like an Asian thing I just didn't want. Yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Like all my no, actually, a lot of

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Speaker 1: my Virgal friends are kind of like, I mean, some

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Speaker 1: get that, but also it is it is good to

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Speaker 1: Well happy birthday, Happy birthday. Yeah, it's something that's underridden.

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Speaker 1: same week. Jamie Loftus, who also has a weird connection

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Speaker 1: to you. So Jamie was our guest on Tuesday's episode.

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Speaker 1: Uh and she said weird Al was overrated because she

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Speaker 1: It was like a weird yeah. Uh No, I love Jamie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do have a weird connection. What what's something that's underrated? Um?

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Speaker 1: Theresa Lee. Now you're very lucky. So what is the dailies? Like, guys,

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Speaker 1: we're trying to take sample of the ideas that are

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Speaker 1: We talked about politics, the president, news, but we also

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Speaker 1: talked about movies in supermarket tabloids. We talked about Mohanna

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Speaker 1: CNN that day. We're just trying to kind of help

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Speaker 1: you get to know the sort of national shared consciousness

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Speaker 1: General Kelly, I think it's just been sort of a

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Speaker 1: we should be obeying military generals. It was all very strange. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And apparently so when ICE was doing raids on illegal immigrants,

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Speaker 1: whether or not you are trustworthy or upstanding person. Uh,

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00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: and that will like that will determine your access to

427
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: things like internet heed like how quickly you can check

428
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: into a hotel or a flight, how like how freely

429
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: you can travel abroad. Um so, these these whole kinds

430
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: of things are like basically we're now beginning to quantify

431
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: and rate human beings. Like that Black Mirror episode from

432
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: the season three episode one is basically about that. Um

433
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: so yeah, and then like also the kind of things

434
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: you post on social media will will also affect your score.

435
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: So like if you are obviously like being critical of

436
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: the government right now is like a no, no, but

437
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: if you even do something, if you're if you have

438
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: anything like remotely resembling like a criticism, that could affect

439
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: your score. Not only your score, but people within your

440
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: social network, Like your score is also tied to the

441
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: people that you associate with. Um And this sounds like

442
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: some you know, like just Orwellian ship, but this is

443
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: like one, this is actually in the process of happened.

444
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: They I think they already have some version of it,

445
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: but it's voluntary and it's yeah, and people are like

446
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: our a like bragging about how good their scores are,

447
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: and like because now like we're starting to feel like

448
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: they're they've gamified your obedience to the system. Essentially. The

449
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: creepiest thing about that articles they talk about the black

450
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: market that's gonna come out of that, and it's just

451
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: like people are gonna start selling reputations as different layers

452
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: to that, right, Yeah, because we already buy bots and followers,

453
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: like people do that on Twitter and Instagram, like so

454
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: that that could that's naturally an extension if you need

455
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: to up your credit state like they're and they're like

456
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: NBA players who have writing teams who write their twitters

457
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: and I'm sure lots of celebrities do. Yeah, And I

458
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: mean the economists just had this whole thing about facial

459
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: recognition technology, uh, which I know about because I read

460
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: the Economist, you guys, but they were saying that a

461
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: lot of the forward movement on this technology is happening

462
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: in China because they have every one of their citizens

463
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: faces in a database, so they're able to like run

464
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: all these algorithms that can basically both identify faces and

465
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: also like predict certain things about the people, uh that

466
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, who knows how accurate it is. Uh, but

467
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I don't know. I think people think of

468
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: China's like this huge economy and yeah, we're vaguely aware

469
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: that they're communist, but uh, you know, it's just this

470
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: huge successful economy. But I think more and more as

471
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: we go forward, we're going to be looking at them

472
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: as sort of this place that is showing us like

473
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: how badly some of this technology can go. And well,

474
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't even feel like the borders are as clear

475
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: as we think, like we think, oh so far away,

476
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: but the Internet, a lot of Chinese developers are making

477
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: the apps that we use, and just even like I

478
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: don't think snapchest Chinese, but just using that as an example,

479
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: like how much time we spend looking at our faces

480
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: on a phone on a daily basis, And if Chinese

481
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: app launches here, which they totally can, and if it

482
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: gets popular, like we're now putting data, American data into

483
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: that app, they're collecting our faces. So I feel like, uh,

484
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: this kind of thing can blow up so much faster

485
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: than we think. But I also think it's important to

486
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: like a version of that is already happening just in

487
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: culture in general, right, like everything is we rate things

488
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: on Yelp or whatever, we get rated on Uber, and

489
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: think about even that, like and Jack, we've all talked

490
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: about this, like how we get our Uber score up.

491
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: We get all hurt when we're like Yo used to

492
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: be a five or like a four or nine. I'm

493
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: like now I'm before seven, Like, no, would be really

494
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: nice to these drivers to start getting so like passive

495
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: aggressively nice where I'm like but still like right, but see,

496
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: like even how but like we're even seeing how scores

497
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: these like scores are not even really meaningless and don't

498
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: even affect our ability to like get a bank loan.

499
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: How we're even subtly changed modifying our behaviors based off

500
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: this like number? Can I write every podcast I go on?

501
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: So you guys are going in a book? Do you

502
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: need more coffee? Do you need some more? Um? Yeah,

503
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: it can be really addictive, Like even checking your credit

504
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: score can be a little bit addictive checking your uber score.

505
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: I got real into that. It was unfortunate. Um do

506
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: you think people are going to start because in China,

507
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: what you're saying is you're going to have a totally

508
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: different living experience based on your score. Do you think

509
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: in a way people are going to start developing? Um,

510
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: like different, Like there's gonna be like communities of like

511
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: lower score, bigger or higher who knows? I mean like

512
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: because it's sometimes they're saying, like on some dating websites,

513
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: like if you have a higher score, like you'll be

514
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: ranked higher in a dating website. You're like to be like,

515
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: oh these are you know, do good or people or

516
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: like people within your score. So I think it's like

517
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: it'll even create a more defined cast system even just

518
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: based off of like what what the things the products

519
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: you buy, or who you talk to, the music you

520
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: listen to. I couldn't imagine what my social credit score

521
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: looks like right now, because like I play a lot

522
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: of video games and I have a lot of scumback friends. Yeah,

523
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: thank god, we don't have that here in a good place. Um,

524
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: it's like after they die, but they have you come

525
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: up points during your life, but you don't you don't

526
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: see them until you die. But it's sort of like this,

527
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: like based on if you're a good person. It is

528
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: another uh fictional reality where there is a central ranking system. Yeah,

529
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: so basically all these different shows are like predicting it

530
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: in one way or another. Um, and yeah, the I

531
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: mean in the Black Mirror episode, I won't spoil what

532
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: happens in the end, but just the thing that they

533
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: suggest is just everybody is doing these superficial interactions that

534
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: are sort of partially based on fear because you're where

535
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: you have to be outwardly pleasant because you're worried that

536
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: they so you're like giving them a high ranking, so

537
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: they'll give you a high ranking, and like that's how

538
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: you interact with people, which is also what I found

539
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: happening to me when my uber score started dipping and

540
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: I was like, hey man, so how you doing? What's

541
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: going on? I like that hat man? So how long

542
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: you have this car, He's just like, yo, you're sweating

543
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: all over my an't feel like it could be very liberating.

544
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: Early on you just decide you don't care. But I

545
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: don't know, and if it sucks you up, like you're

546
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: ability to access things like the internet, like how you

547
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: if it's like if you go low enough, you're gonna

548
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: come out on the other side. Maybe I like that theory,

549
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: y know. I think there's different. Yeah, there's kind of

550
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: plane into a system and then there's kind of like breaking.

551
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: But the thing is that but the reason why you

552
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't is because this score actually determines your access to

553
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: things that like you need in your day to day life.

554
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: So you couldn't just be like folk. The system will

555
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: be like okay, fan, well then you can get slow

556
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: internet speed, you don't have to go anywhere, you don't

557
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: have to get alone. Yeah maybe, but that's what privilege is, right,

558
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: and people that's invisible and people live with different levels

559
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: of privilege and you can either just like feel bad

560
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: about it or you can kind of try to like

561
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: get woke or whatever. I don't know, this is a

562
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: little different, but I just mean, like I think there's

563
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: gonna be. It's not it's not going to be a

564
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: two way street. There's gonna be all these other layers.

565
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean when you think about it too, like people

566
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: will find a way like people always do to gain

567
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 1: the system no matter what it is, Like we do

568
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: that all over the planet. So yeah, black market score

569
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: inflating will will be another thing that they'll probably have

570
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: to deal with. Or like, honestly, if it's all about

571
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: the books I buy or whatever what I'm buying, like

572
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: then fine, I'll buy whatever books I need to. My

573
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: score will help crazy out my mouth when you see

574
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: me in the street or Okay, here's a crazy But

575
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: now it is very fictional. But I feel like because

576
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm you know, people who are uh more educated and

577
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: trying to like combat the system will probably not have

578
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: as high of score because I'll probably be like questioning authority.

579
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: So maybe the secret code will develop where like if

580
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: you have a certain low score, you like try to

581
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: get to a number, like I don't know what's out

582
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: and let's say it's out of a hundred and you're like, okay,

583
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: thirty three. If you have a thirty three, that's like

584
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: you're in this club of like we're resisting, so maybe

585
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: they're a secret code will come out of this. Yeah,

586
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: and then you like it's kind of like the you know, yeah,

587
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: a little like code. I feel like stuff like that

588
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: comes out of crazy. We'll see, I mean it starts.

589
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure within a few years of that. Yeah, that's

590
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: what I would hope, because people used to be anti establishment,

591
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of that has gone

592
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: away with social media. Feel like people just are now

593
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: bought in, like to the system to to a large degree. Like, uh,

594
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: like nobody's punk rock about their credit score, you know,

595
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: because credit score really determines what you have access to

596
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: and so like it's nobody's like I didn't bother establishing

597
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: credit and people are like, man, that's cool because it

598
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: just affects your ability to have a life. I wonder

599
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: how much how possible that's gonna be. Hopefully possible, because

600
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: it's the carrot and the stick. But then there will

601
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: be lenders who are down who will like, you know,

602
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, not like their score. They'll be like, hey,

603
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: you're like commerce is halting or is it gonna be? Yeah,

604
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 1: I think that would be a maybe. I don't know.

605
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not there so I don't know it

606
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: look come back with it will probably season two and

607
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: we'll see where we're at. All Right, We're gonna take

608
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be right back after these

609
00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: messages and we're back. Uh So, yesterday a bunch of

610
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: JFK assassination records were dumped uh into the National Archives.

611
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: But I did wanna since the JFK assassination is in

612
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: the news and this is one of my favorite things

613
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: to talk about. Uh, I wanted to talk about the

614
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: theory that I read that I think is most convincing

615
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: as to as to what happened. Is well, to start off,

616
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: is there a theory that is like most popular? First,

617
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: because I've first, I've not really heard the one that

618
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: you talked about a lot. But is there one that

619
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: most people tend to believe in a lot of people

620
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: believe the CIA was involved. A lot of people believe

621
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: that Cuba and Russia colluded to like do it because

622
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: Oswald had defected too uh Russia and lived in Russia

623
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: for like a year or so. Um, but he like

624
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: tried to sort of it involved with the Soviets and

625
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: they were like, yeo, man, you're like clearly a maniac like,

626
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: we're not we're not interested. Were even like yo, yeah,

627
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So he like did not have did not

628
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: gain access to the higher levels of power. Um, there

629
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 1: are some weird meetings supposedly with the CIA or weird

630
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: coincidences where he was like in the same building as

631
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: the CIA office. Um. But so I did an episode

632
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: of podcast, I did three episodes of called good Question,

633
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: uh where I looked into this. And so there's this guy,

634
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Bill James who invented, uh moneyball. He invented basically baseball

635
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: saver metrics, which I don't care that much about baseball,

636
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: but it's interesting in the in the sense that he's

637
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: this sort of poly math, self taught guy who was

638
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: a night security guard at some factory and just sat

639
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: there and read and read and read and like, uh

640
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: watched baseball and like just analyzed statistics. And so this guy,

641
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, just with not much going on,

642
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: starts sending out this baseball prospectus where he's like, hey,

643
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: all the assumptions about baseball are wrong everyone, and it

644
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: like slowly catches on with a bunch of different people

645
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: and eventually catches on with Billy Bean, who is the

646
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: GM with the Oakland A s which is where the

647
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: whole Moneyball story kicks off. But that whole theory is

648
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: started by a guy named Bill James, who is just

649
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: at the time was a night guard in the middle

650
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: of nowhere. And he's not even in the movie Moneyball. Uh.

651
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: He now is in the front office for the Boston

652
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: Red Sox. But Uh, the other thing that he is

653
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: obsessive about besides baseball is true crime. And he wrote

654
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: a book called Popular Crime I think a few years ago,

655
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: where he went through his theories on what happened in

656
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: all these different crimes. He basically he doesn't have any

657
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: like special access. He's just read every single document that

658
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: has been released and has read like every single book

659
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: that puts forth the theory on what happened. Uh, And

660
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: basically he thinks this is what happened. He has He's like,

661
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: either Oswald acted alone or this theory is the only

662
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: one that I've heard that was plausible. First off, to

663
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: set up what we do know is that jfk with

664
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: two bullets. Yes, so he he was hit with two shots.

665
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: There was a shot from Oswald that struck the curb

666
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: next to the car, and some Cement jumped up, and

667
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: that's where you see, Uh JFK kind of touched the

668
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: side of his neck because I think Cement like hit

669
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: him in the side of his neck. Uh. Then there

670
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: is a second shot that goes directly through his like

671
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: sort of upper back, lower neck and comes out the

672
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: other side. You see JFK's arms kind of go up,

673
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: which is this standard human response when your spinal cord

674
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: is severed, which is what happened. The bullet went right

675
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: through a spinal cord um, so he would have actually

676
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: been paralyzed and potentially a vegetable even if this third

677
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: shot hadn't happened. But the one there's a third shot

678
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: that is the gruesome one that makes like the Zapruder film,

679
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: the footage of the assassination that we've all seen almost unwatchable.

680
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: That it's a shot that takes off the right half

681
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: of his skull, basically in his brains like go everywhere.

682
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: And so this theory comes from a guy named Howard

683
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: Donahue who was a gun store owner in Texas who

684
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: was like sort of an expert on ballistics and guns,

685
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: and he first got involved in just the JFK assassination

686
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: coverage because CBS News was investigating the theory that you

687
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: couldn't get three shots off with the gun Oswald was

688
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: using in like as quickly as he did. And I

689
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: think that's even in like the movie JFK that like

690
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: you can't get those shots off quickly enough. Um. And

691
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: this guy Donahue, who's like a gun expert and just

692
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: bad asset with guns, Uh, both gets three shots off

693
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: quickly enough with the exact gun and also hits a

694
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 1: target that is moving in the same place that JFKs would.

695
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: So he proves, no, you could get those shots off. Uh.

696
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: The thing that he can't figure out though, is that

697
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: so JF so Oswald was using, uh this rifle that

698
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: shoots a heavy, slow like relative to other bullets, a

699
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: full metal jacket bullet UM that tends to stay intact. Uh.

700
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: And for instance, when the second shot that he shot

701
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: hit JFK, it went through him and like went all

702
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: over the place. It's the magic quote magic bullet that

703
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: Oliver Stone talks about, because uh that that whole theory

704
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: is based on just miss aligning, like the two people

705
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: in the car. It's not a magic bullet. It's if

706
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: you just like move the people to where they were.

707
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: The guy sitting in the front seat who it also struck,

708
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: was just sitting below JFK. But um, so it's a

709
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: straight line. This bullet just is very heavy and it

710
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: goes all the way through him, goes through another guy,

711
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 1: and ends up somewhere in the car. Um. But that's

712
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: how that bullet behaves as it stays together. And the

713
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: third shot that takes off half of Kennedy's head is

714
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: the way of bullet would behave if it was one

715
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: of those disintegrating bullets from an assault weapon that is

716
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: spinning so fast that the bullet actually comes apart when

717
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: it strikes something. And that's how you get like this

718
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: just Rusalem is devastating and devastating, huge uh wound, like

719
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: a clean shot, like just through and through. It's just

720
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: as a ballistics expert and as a you know, expert

721
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: on guns, he's like, those are two separate bullets that

722
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: are behaving in completely separate ways. So he started looking

723
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: into it and he's like, the third shot that takes

724
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: off half his head doesn't seem like it's even coming

725
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: from the same place that Oswald was shooting from. It

726
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: seems like it's coming from like an a R type rifle, like,

727
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: which are these assault rifles that are not full metal

728
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: jacket bullets. They're spinning so fast that when they strike something,

729
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: they come apart um and that's how the bullet behaves

730
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: when it hits JFK. He is like, but I mean,

731
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: obviously somebody would have seen a person who's standing right

732
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: behind JFK, which is where it seems like the bullet

733
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: is coming from, and carrying an A R like that. Like,

734
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: so he was like confused, but he, you know, put

735
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: this out there and was like it it just doesn't

736
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: make sense, like from a ballistics perspective. And then two

737
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: years after he realizes this, he sees a photograph taken

738
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: from in front of the motor kid and right where

739
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: he thinks the third shot should have been coming from.

740
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: There's a secret Service agent holding an A R fifteen

741
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: um and he's like standing up in the car trailing

742
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: JFK's car. So he comes up with this theory that basically,

743
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: when JFK is hit with the second Oswald shot with

744
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: the bullet, that this full metal jacket stays intact and

745
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: goes through him and all over the car. That the

746
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: cars slowed down because they realized that everybody's being shot,

747
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: and the Secret Service agents in the car behind JFK

748
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: are like freaking out, and one of them stands up

749
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: to turn around to you know, look at where Oswald

750
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: is shooting from, and because the car slowed down, he

751
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: falls forward that the guy who's standing up with the

752
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: a r and accidentally lets off a shot and that's

753
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: the third shot that takes off half of JFK's head.

754
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: You heard it here, folks. So that music up, oh,

755
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: is this different one? It's the music they play to

756
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: mock me when I when I actually that wasn't That

757
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: is very very interesting. So the idea would be there

758
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: are some pretty suspicious things about the aftermath of the assassination.

759
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: Um Kennedy's body is immediately whisked away onto a plane,

760
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: and his brother, uh Robert, who is the Attorney General

761
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: I think at the time Attorney General is is like

762
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: adamant that they get the body back to him, and

763
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: the Secret Service like basically steals his body from where

764
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: it was pronounced dead, and the doctors are like, what

765
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: are you doing, Like that's this is not how autopsies happen,

766
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: and they basically like push past him, get it on

767
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: a plane back to Washington. Eventually his brain disappears. That's

768
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: like a weird thing that nobody has ever really been

769
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: able to explain. And so so and he was buried there.

770
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: He had no there was no brain. I think that's right. Um,

771
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: And so the the idea would be that this is

772
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: why there's a cover up, because they're trying to protect

773
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: the Secret Service agent from you know, and also trying

774
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: to protect JFK's uh sort of legacy, because it's it's

775
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: less strange if like if you if you die by

776
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: a gruesome accident, it's less sort of I don't know,

777
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: noble mythic quality. And then like dude accidentally shooting you. Yeah,

778
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: And there are a couple other things that happened at

779
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: the hospital, something like a witness who was there remembers

780
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: distinctly hearing a Secret Service agent on the phone with

781
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: RFK saying there's been a terrible accident. Um. So the

782
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: theories that that's where the cover up is coming from,

783
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: just protecting the Secret Service agent, and um, that's where

784
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: a lot of the weird, sort of mysterious, confound thing

785
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: details come from. Is there there is a cover up,

786
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: but it's just to protect the reputation of this guy

787
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: who was just trying to do his job and had

788
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: basically the worst day of work that anyone has ever

789
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: had history of the universe. But you wouldn't. So when

790
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: you first said that, I was like, Oh, does that

791
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: mean there's some inside like secret service? But it's straight

792
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: up just an accident. It just seems like it would

793
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: be too because it wouldn't make sense if they already

794
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: had Lee Harvey Oswald shooting. Why would they wouldn't have

795
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: set it up that one right exactly? And it also

796
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: seems like, if you're going to hire an assassin to

797
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: like shoot from the window, why would you then have

798
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: a secret Service agent like in the car right behind

799
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: him be like I'm shooting him too U. And so

800
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: one of the questions I had is like, why didn't

801
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: anybody see this gun go on? Like wouldn't there be

802
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: a muzzle flash? And apparently there wouldn't be a muzzle flash.

803
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: And also a weird thing that happened on the ground

804
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: is that people smelled gun smoke and the place that

805
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: they were, they were on a bridge that the cars

806
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: were going under when they smelled gun smoke, and the

807
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: they would never have been able to smell gun smoke

808
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: from all the way up where osriad was if the

809
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: gun smoke was coming from the cars driving under them,

810
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: then it makes more sense. Um, So I did this.

811
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: I did. I did this conversation with I interviewed both

812
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: the author who wrote the book with Donahue about this theory,

813
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: and I also interviewed one of the leading JFK conspiracy theorists,

814
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I've looked at all a

815
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: lot of different theories and this is the only one

816
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And it was so interesting how this

817
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist responded. He just got so mad at me

818
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: for bringing up this theory. And I was like, but like,

819
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: so what's wrong with it? He's like, Jack, it's been disproven.

820
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous theory, and frankly, I just want to

821
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: move on. And I'm like, okay, but like, so, do

822
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: you have some reason that you just believe it. He

823
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: would not give me a reason. He would just say

824
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: that it's been disproven and then move on. And I

825
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: was like, all right, so what do you think happened?

826
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: And he was like, I can't say what happened, but

827
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: there's a lot of mysterious stuff that points to some

828
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: connection between Oswald and the CIA. It was just like

829
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: so strange, and I think I think it's probably that

830
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: it's not fun, it's not sexy. Yeah, I think like

831
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: some guy arrantly shot him, right, and also that generation

832
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: like wanted there to be like a government like conspiracy.

833
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm sure this go around, they'll find

834
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: a way to put this on Hillary Clinton. Right. Yeah,

835
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying that eventually they're going to reveal

836
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: the documents and yeah, they're gonna be like, oh, what's this?

837
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: I mean, because yeah, that's the other thing too, is

838
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: this these documents, like long awaited documents that that are

839
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: like linked to one of them, like the country's greatest

840
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: mysteries is coming out that Trump was like, yeah, let's

841
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: let's put these out. Let's do a little distraction. I

842
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: mean hopefully it's not a distraction. It's five million pages,

843
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: So if anyone has some really good reading skills, let

844
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: us know, come through there. Teresa, you're saying that we're

845
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: gonna like look up from the archive and oh yeah,

846
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: he's totally distracting something. I mean, we're gonna look up

847
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: and our flag's gonna be the Russian fire just we've

848
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: but we now know, but we know that nothing. It

849
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: was five million pages of just yeah, the most dry ship. Yeah,

850
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe by the time people are

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Speaker 1: listening to this episode, there the documents have been dropped

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Speaker 1: and it was secretly. I don't know. I mean, that

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Speaker 1: would be the craziest ship if these documents actually had

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Speaker 1: some like, you know, game changing information. I doubt there

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Speaker 1: would be. If they're going to release that that could

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Speaker 1: like fundamentally father that would be told. My bet is

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Speaker 1: still that there will be something in there like Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton has someone who's this Rodom Fellow is involved. Um oh,

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Speaker 1: another weird detail and then we'll end the show is that, uh.

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Speaker 1: Immediately after LBJ took over office, he seemed terrified that

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Speaker 1: the Secret Service was going to accidentally shoot him and

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Speaker 1: kept saying that, kept being like, these guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: shoot me one day. Like there's a story from the

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Speaker 1: night of the assassination where he's like walking around and

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Speaker 1: the Secret Service like thinks he's an intruder and like

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Speaker 1: turn their gun on him. But and he's like I

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Speaker 1: could just see that being a thing that because he

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Speaker 1: knows they just accidentally shot Kennedy like seemed more terrifying

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Speaker 1: him than like they might have just been like, oh

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Speaker 1: thank god, it's it's just you. Um. But yeah, he

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Speaker 1: specifically there is a quote from him saying, I swear

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Speaker 1: to God, the sec Res service agents are gonna shoot

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Speaker 1: me accidentally. Wow. When you guys can download all this

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Speaker 1: from Jack's manifesto that he's been writing, we'll have that

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Speaker 1: in the footnotes. I'm so glad I just got that off.

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Speaker 1: My cha. None of that is true, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I just like all of that up, you know. Uh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's from a book called More at All Error by

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Speaker 1: Bonner Manager written with I want to say Phil Donahue

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Speaker 1: because obviously not very different don Yes. Earlier Miles is

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Speaker 1: playing the audio of that, and I thought it was

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Speaker 1: like an official video. But the video some guy mad

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Speaker 1: I was just looked over and it's just like images

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Speaker 1: of like Illuminati. Like it's like this really throws me

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Speaker 1: in with like some people. No, No, I'm sure the

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Speaker 1: documents will will confirm all of this. Well, it's a

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Speaker 1: fun thing to believe until it's completely disproven by this

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Speaker 1: document dump. Uh, that's gonna do it for today, Teresa,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. This was super

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Speaker 1: fun finale of all of all of all options with

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Speaker 1: the what was your favorite what was your favorite memory

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Speaker 1: of season three? Is it really a finale? Guy? Yeah? This,

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Speaker 1: and then we take a mid season well we have

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Speaker 1: to take a we're on a hiatus for so this

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Speaker 1: is the finale of season three. We take a two

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Speaker 1: day hiatus revamp, and then we have our Hawaii was great.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of going to Tibet or something. Just get

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Speaker 1: my mind right. Yeah, just meditate for a little while.

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Speaker 1: My dog is a Tibetan spaniel, so nice shout out

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Speaker 1: to your dog. Okay, but yeah to your dog. Where

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Speaker 1: can people find you? We can find me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Larissa t and when oh come to my stand

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Speaker 1: up shot? Can I plug it? Yeah? November five at

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Speaker 1: the Friend Good Show Free show in Los Angeles and

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Speaker 1: l A. Yeah, if you live in l A. You

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Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter. You can find the info awesome miles.

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Speaker 1: Where can people follow you? You can follow me on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. You can follow

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien very private about

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Speaker 1: my Instagram. You can follow us on Twitter at Daily

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Speaker 1: Zeitgeist on Instagram at the daily Zeitgeist, or we have

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Speaker 1: a Facebook page called the Daily Zeitgeist and you can

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Speaker 1: check out our footnotes on daily zeitgeist dot com. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Super producer Anna is putting them up as we speak.

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Speaker 1: There's links to all all the different articles that we're

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Speaker 1: pulling facts from in this episode of and yeah, oh

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Speaker 1: and the Daily Zeigeist is produced and engineered by Nick

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Speaker 1: Stump you heard on yesterday's podcast, but we don't do

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Speaker 1: credits usually. And you know then to season three which

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Speaker 1: probably mentioned Nick is the man that makes it happen,

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Speaker 1: and the dailiesis is also edited by Lawrence Stump. It

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Speaker 1: is a Stump family affair, Stump production. Uh, and that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. We will be back on Monday. Talk

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Speaker 1: to you guys then,