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I got can't get j nothing. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:15.360 What I'm thinking about, can't get well, I'm thinking about guys. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.640 Um you know this. This has been a messy season 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.919 in professional golf. We can all agree with that. But 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.440 yesterday this is a list of people who won big 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:30.400 time golf tournament. Tony fine Now, Tommy Fleetwood, Padrick Harrington, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:34.440 Nellie Korda personally four of my favorite folks in the game. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:39.120 I mean we all know that. And Roe he should CoA, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.280 that's right, I mean held back from the dead. I 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.120 mean that he's only thirty one years old, like the 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.720 guy feels like he's had three careers already. Um, we don't. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.080 We don't have to celebrate every victory so much as 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.960 just acknowledged that it's nice when good things happen to 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.200 good people. I mean, especially Tommy Fleetwood has been a 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.240 little lost in the wilderness. It hasn't won in three 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.360 years with a golf swing that beautiful, and um, you know, 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.440 he's just he's he's almost too nice to be a 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.760 professional athlete, right, He's such a sweetheart. Maybe that's part 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.240 of the issue, but I was delighted to see him breakthrough. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.080 Fee now has now reached the magical threshold of five victories. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.440 As when we talked about last week, Russell Henley, you 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.480 know that's um, it seems like all in the last month. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.040 What are our thoughts on, just just a very pleasing 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:28.240 weekend in professional golf, what a week, huge week and 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.320 all kinds of like juiciness that will get to as well, 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.799 But let's start like on the golf course for a change, 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.600 we had good things happen on the golf course. I 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.720 will say if I had to rank them in most important, 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:43.120 I would put Nellie Korda as first because she's just 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.560 so important to the women's game, right, Like she's a 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:51.680 bona fide superstar, like obviously had some very serious health issues. Uh. Yes, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.200 it was like a relatively nondescript LPGA event end of 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.440 the season. But I just think she's so important to 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.120 the women's game, the court of Sisters in general, I 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.800 think if I had to rank them in importance. Uh, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.840 It's great to see Tommy Fleetwood win again. Like you said, 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:11.160 good dude, Tony is obviously very well liked and and 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.240 and has moved up to like star ranking on the 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.240 PGA tour as they lost have lost some. But I 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.719 think Nelly Corda's just like from an important standpoint, she 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.120 is such a huge part of what the LPGA is 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.080 going to be going forward. It's awesome to see her back. Well, 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.400 I I would I would agree with that, Um, but 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.320 I would put I would put Tommy Fleetwood first. Uh. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.920 I mean, it doesn't seem that long ago that there 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:41.320 was a magical combination of of Tommy Fleetwood and Francisco 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.359 Molinari in the uh in the Ryder Cup, and you 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.799 kind of hope that maybe that could go on forever. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.560 Of course, nothing really does. But sometimes these partnerships in 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.000 golf to like like seven A Loaf the Ball and 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:58.480 Alaball and Sergio uh and uh to me Tommy Fleetwood, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.039 just you know, I'm I'm happily surprised for the Putre 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.000 Tours benefit that he did not go to live. He 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.680 seemed like he might be the kind of candidate who 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:12.320 could um and uh when he plays well, it's great, 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.080 great for golf. And I would say the same of 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:16.640 you know, my big three Alan would know this well, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.279 Ryan might not, but my big three for the last 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.839 five years have been Tommy Fleetwood, Jordan's Speech and the 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:28.400 Italian detective Mulinary. So I'm always reading for those three. Yeah, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.719 and of course we're now less than a year from 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.680 a Ryder Cup in Rome. I mean, wouldn't be wonderful 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.760 Francesco could rediscover his form, but definitely, you know, this 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.880 European team is very much in transition and they're looking 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.800 at a lot of rookies and unproven players coming through 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.920 as as this entire generation of great players has been 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.479 swept out to live. And so a guy like Fleetwood 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.960 who has experienced who's he's kind of in that he's 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:57.479 not old, he's not young. He's kind of in that 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.920 sweet spot. If he's on his game, aim like that, 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.480 that becomes a big deal with or without Francesco as 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.200 his wingman, and um so a a revitalized Tommy Fleetwood 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.000 is a big deal when it comes to the Wryder Cup, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:10.760 And it's never too soon to start thinking about that 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.000 for me, Alan, do you have any insight as to 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.320 why he didn't go to live? Was he high on 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.320 their list? So I would imagine he would be. Yeah, 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.200 he was. I mean, I think he's a very simple 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.719 guy and he he loves his family, he loves playing 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.440 the European Tour. He's found a nice home, you know, 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.560 moonlighting on the PGA tour. And I think there's a 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.760 small subset of humans that the quality of life and 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.360 routine and comfort and familiarity kind of Trump's money. I mean, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.960 Tommy Fleetwood already made a lot of money, and I 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.280 think he realized that's a lot more money is not 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.320 going to really change my life. But he just likes 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:50.880 how how things are and he's he's just kind of um. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.719 He doesn't he doesn't overthink things, doesn't overcomplicate things, and 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.760 it's admirable trait. I mean, um, going to live has 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.720 certainly has his benefits, but you know you're gonna take 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.360 a lot of rapnel. You're gonna lose out on all 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.919 the places you've always enjoyed playing. Um, you might be 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.159 given up the Ryder Cup. And I think Fleet was 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.440 just was content. You know, one thing I've always enjoyed 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.760 about him is he just even as if the game 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.800 kicks him around, and he's had a lot of a 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.800 lot of near misses and he's he's blown a couple 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.680 of majors, and but he does sort of exude gratitude 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.600 and contentment like like, hey, I'm playing golf for a living. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.720 How great is this? Like that's always energy I get 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.120 from him, no matter what, you know what, heartbreak gets 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.600 dished out. And so I think he's he's one of 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.520 those guys who's just happy with where he is, and 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.960 so why why blow everything up professionally? And you do 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.400 raise a very good point because with this dual citizenship, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.840 he has, you know, on on two very very prominent tours, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.720 the European Tour and the US Tour. Um for years now, 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.920 he's played where he wants to play, and uh, a 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.680 live golfer can't really say that we can't say that, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.760 you know, it's it's an interesting thing. I mean, he 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.320 comes from a pretty scrappy part of England and I 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:04.120 don't know that much about his his family growing up, 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.320 but he's always struck me as a guy who's, you know, 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.800 very middle class sensibilities. And it becomes a philosophical thing. 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.600 He's averaging what three to five million dollars a year. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.600 That's a phenomenal living and if I live, maybe he 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.960 could make eight or ten. But some people are happy 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.200 with three or five, right, I mean, like that's not 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:28.440 a living alan that is one year more than ten 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:33.679 families exactly. So I think in some small way it's 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.959 obviously what's a rebuke to the excesses of professional golf 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.200 right now, and I salute him for it. Uh just 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.800 a quick note on on not knowing his family. I 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.320 don't know his family either, but uh, one year, my 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.600 friend Burtus Downs and I and others were we're having 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.760 teen downtown Berkedale the year that that that speed one, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.360 and Tommy's aunt was at the table next to us, 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.559 having just come back from church, and we chatted her 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.800 up and she was delightful. That's why I think that's 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.840 maybe where my whole Tommy Fleetood And you know, my 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.400 thing with Tommy Fleetwood began at a Marriott, the saw 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.640 Grass Marriott, where he was just like hanging out the 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.280 entire week in the lobby, talking to whomever about anything. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.040 Uh So he just has an easy going nature and 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.880 ut he is well. Yeah, and of course you know 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.559 the Wryder Cup in Paris where where he was such 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:28.280 a star. And um, some people remember that I had 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.560 written a column a year ahead of that basically predicting 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.160 long term American dominance and large because of Tommy Fleetwood 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.520 didn't happen in Paris. It's still gonna happen going forward, 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.680 and I will vindication will be mine eventually, but certainly 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.600 was not a great start. And so many people were 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.240 so mad about that, and I got so much trapple. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:50.600 But Fleetwood and his caddie do. He's great Ian. They've 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.200 always had a great set of humor about it. And 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.880 they see me and they laugh and they wind me 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.199 up and like they were never mad about it, Like 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:58.760 they took it from what it was, which is just 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.520 a little bit of a little bit of track, as 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:04.240 they say in Ireland. And um, actually so so you 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:08.160 finish his Tommy's cat, who is great dude, so garrulous, 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:09.839 and you know he's just a mountain of a man, 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.240 but he's he's as sweet as his boss. He sent 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.319 me a d M said, I'm gonna I'm at the airport. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.320 I'm gonna buy the philm book. I need something to read. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.720 I said, I'll send you on don't be readulous Like no, no, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.480 I'll buy it, like I'm excited. And it was like, 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.520 really cute. You know, just DM me for no reason 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.240 other than to share that. So uh, Anyway, I think 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.360 we need to talk about I mean, I would love 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:34.079 to hear what you guys about Roe Chicawa, the dude. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.400 I mean, every time he wins, and it has been 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.400 three years since he's one, he's thirty one years old, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:44.200 he's eighteen wins on the Japan Tour. His first win 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.199 came when he was fifteen years old. It's just ridiculous. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.320 It's insane. His career prior to that, and I wonder 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.240 Someone tweeted like, do you think you'll ever come back 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.200 to the PGA tour at me? And I was like, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:57.400 if he was ever, this would be the time to 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.720 do it. Because a Headecki is to can you know 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.079 a lot of the pressure that he was the maiden 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.280 son off of him. It would be very interesting to 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.280 see what his career would be if he ever came 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.760 back to the PGA Tour, because the first time he 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.760 came here, he played okay, not obviously didn't win or 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:15.280 anything like that, but he kept his card a few 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.800 a few years in a row. But the entire nation 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.360 was like he was the maiden son. I think it's 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:30.040 the prod yeah, prodical son. Okay, uh whatever. I don't 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.600 know these words, but but we don't know. He might 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.880 he might view the US Tour like uh, like an 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.120 American player might view the live tour. In other words, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.400 he's got a home tour. He's happy there, he's been 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.760 very successful there, and uh, you know what, why does 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:49.240 he need to chase the US Tour necessarily to uh 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.720 uh for any reason? Really? Uh? But I do remember 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.200 when he played in that two thousand ten I think 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.120 I have that year correct, Alan creck me if I don't. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.080 He got paired with Tom Watson for this first two rounds, 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.880 and and Watson is nobody's full when it comes to 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.440 assessing talent. I remember Watson saying the brooks Kepka early on, 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.280 It's like this guy is absolutely the real deal. And 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.320 then Watson said that week that this Roy Chikao was 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.319 was the real deal. So u uh, but maybe he's 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.000 just very happy doing what she's doing. Well, you know remember, um, 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.480 of course you remember this Ryan because you're a barn 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.400 Rat completest. But you know, whatever, it was a month 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.199 ago when um cur Desk, you know, had that those 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.520 very moving comments about how lonely he's been over here 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.480 and how hard it's been as kind of a stranger 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.040 in a strange land. And I think that's maybe something 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.480 Issie cow has had to weigh. I mean, you can 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.720 actually accrue pretty good world ranking points on the Japan Tour, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.120 at least in the old formula, and um, the Asian 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.120 Tour is becoming more and more important in the grand 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.160 scheme of things. I mean it just maybe that um, 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.120 he doesn't love it over here and doesn't feel comfortable 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.720 and the golf courses are different. I don't know, but 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:54.319 he did have a great nickname and re leased to 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.600 call him the Bashful Prints. That's tough to yeah. John 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.079 Peterson tweeted about the Bashful Prince and said he played 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.079 probably the most two rounds. Uh, well of anybody he 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.800 played with, it was with Row and uh and he 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.680 just loved him. And I mean everybody that I talked 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.679 to loves him. And uh. I remember seeing him at 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:18.600 some event, I'm sure the Bubi Open, but he had 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:23.120 he always had club covers. His his driver cover was 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.559 of himself and it matched and matched what he was wearing. 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.319 Do you remember that, Like if he was wearing pink 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.040 and Advisor, his head cover was him in a pink 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.480 outfit with Advisor. I mean it was ridiculously. I mean, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.360 you have made it when you you have made it 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.240 when you have a club cover of yourself, but it 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.640 also matches what you're wearing that day. A suitcase full 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.920 club covers for every outfit. Yeah, he's like, I gotta 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.520 do this. Oh and I gotta bring his scripting like 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.079 the guys that do scripting on the the Masters includes 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.200 a head cover for his driver. That's the next level. Yeah, 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.320 well I would I would, you know, if it's in 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.000 if it's in his heart, I would love to see 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.480 and make another go at it because he there was 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.520 so much promise there. And you bring up a really 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.680 good point about um. You know Headeki is, he's the 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.880 master's champ, he's the man and the crush of Japanese 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:20.120 media around ishikaw his first time around was suffocating just 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.760 to watch I could imagine what it was like to 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.760 be him in the middle of it. So there would 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.440 definitely be a lot more relaxed um, and I think 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.760 that would certainly serve him well. And it's different. He's 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:34.360 a he's a hardened tour pro now versus a teenager. So, um, 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.000 they'll be interesting to see how he builds on this. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.680 And of course, you know, Live famously kind of open 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.720 the vault for Adeki and he turned them down. I mean, 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.520 I'm sure now there'll be more they'll is Sheiko is 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.160 on the radar screen like that's always a subtext when 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.040 a player has success. Now what does that? What does 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.760 that mean in the context of live recruitment. But one 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.880 quick note, especially for for our younger members over audience, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:14:59.960 but Soevy by Stir has become one of the great 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.880 just golfers of all time, one of the most charismatic 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.440 offers of all time. By sticking to his home tour, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.280 the European Tour, and and playing major championships. Um, he 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.360 came to the United States, he never really liked to hear, 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.440 never really made his mark here. Um. But there is 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.920 more than one way, of course, to the World Golf 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.240 Hall of Fame. Uh, But just to becoming an iconic 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.960 figure in world golf aside from the U S Tour. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:27.880 It's and it's always been the case. That's right. And 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.200 even I mean Jumbo ZACKI, who's going back many generations now, 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.360 but really pioneer Japanese golf. He hardly ever left Japan. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:36.760 I mean, he was skipping the Masters because you don't 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.920 want to. He don't want to leave Japan, so um, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:43.720 and he remains a revered figure. So you're right, Michael, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.840 I mean, especially in through social media and all interconnected world. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.720 I mean, if if Cows start winning regularly in Japan, 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.520 that'll be felt elsewhere. So it'll be really interes to 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.800 see what he does. Let's talk about Tony Fine now, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.520 because the guy has been on an absolute heater. I 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.680 mean he is for half a decade considered. First of all, 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.080 it was it was an amazing story he made to 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.880 the tour given his humble circumstances, but you could see 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.400 the physical talent and then he was kind of an 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.240 underachiever who couldn't quite win despite all the top ten 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.320 and now he's he's winning at a furious clip. Um. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.080 You know, he's working on his golf swinging, he's done this, 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:20.520 that and the other. But it just seems like a 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:24.680 comfort level and and and a confidence thing. And it 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.880 is fun to see him in full flight, and it 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.720 makes you wonder like, how is this really? Is he 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.680 on a tear or is this going to become his 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.040 standard of play? Which would be awesome to behold? So 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.320 what are our thoughts on Tony Fine? I use a 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.840 I mean, you said it, Allen, but the fact that 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.840 he's on the PGA Tour is ridiculous. Turn pro seventeen. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.480 Uh played many tours his whole life. A couple of 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.480 side notes on the my side of the golf that 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:53.600 I UH covered He um was a leading money winner 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.840 on a tour called the All Pro Tour. I believe, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.440 I don't know know that that doesn't matter. He was 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.880 a leading money winner and the tour went bankrupt and 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.440 uh he never got paid, or he eventually did, but 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.959 it was only part of it. And UH, I remember 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:12.040 people I caddy down that tour. Uh when a couple 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.960 of players stayed. There was an event in Chicago, and 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.800 I caddy on the tour and everybody's like, oh my god, 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.720 this Tony Final guy is great. Um. And and second 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.359 of all, uh, I tweet out often when Tony wins, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.359 and I didn't do it this time. But it was 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.680 a Genesis Monday qualifier what what whatever it was called 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:35.280 before the open, referring to yeah maybe yeah, and uh 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.240 he uh finished dead last in the Monday qualifier, dead 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:43.160 freaking last shot two with an eagle, by the way, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.399 And it's just like no one knew who the hell 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.480 Tony Final was back then, you know. Uh, he was 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.120 a mini tour player forever. Now, granted he turned young 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:57.400 pro very young, but um, I mean his path is ridiculous. 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.480 The fact that he is a top player in the 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.040 world right, it just shouldn't be. His story is not 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:06.320 told enough that he has gotten to this point well. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.080 And I mean it's a detail I love that, Like 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:12.760 in his basically unheeded garage in Utah to hit balls 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.120 in the winter, his dad just hung a mattress on 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.520 on on the off the ceiling and Tony was just 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.919 hit it into a mattress like that. That's about as 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.120 no frills as it gets. And remember you know he said, yeah, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:24.760 I like maybe a little space here, but my hands 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.560 would be numb by the end. And um, it's a 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.159 great story. It's a great image. Like you can just 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:33.199 imagine that that sound like, you know, flap in the 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.879 ball and the mattress over and over. It reminds me 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.000 of Rocky like hitting the big you know, meat carcasses 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.600 in in the freezer. It's kind of analogous and that 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.720 will definitely harden an athlete. So it's cool that that 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.680 Tony's access that and you know in winning time now 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:56.639 and and his his place in tournament golf. Oh's the 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.320 most to the emergence of tiger Woods and the and 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.800 the late seve he's in the early two thousand's. Tony's 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.840 place does more Jordan's speed than Justin Thomas. They would 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.119 have found their way to golf even if there had 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:12.119 never been a Tiger Woods. But Tony fine really needed 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:17.040 tiger Woods to emerge, uh, to make golf cool interesting 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.720 and you know, something he aspired to do because otherwise 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.120 some of Tony Finell's athleticism is going to pursue one 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.479 sport basketball That was the that was the sport and 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.199 he I mean I know this because he's told me this. 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.200 I'm sure he sold to many others as well. Uh 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.680 So it's a significant nod. His whole career and path 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.639 is a significant nod to uh to Tiger. And I 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:39.520 was just just one of the quick note. You know, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.000 of course we're all obsessed with the golf and we're 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:43.800 all trying to get better at golf. But I think 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.920 Tony Finel's actual golf swing like John Rom's, but it's 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.040 but it's different as well. Show it's so different from 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:55.080 Phil Mickelson's, and it's so different from Sam sneeds Um. 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.119 And it's just further proof that for all of the 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.760 advancement in golf instruction him, there is no one way 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:03.639 to go about this business of how to hit a 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.680 golf ball and how to shoot the lowest scores over 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.200 over seventy two holes. And I find that very inspired 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.400 part of me very inspiring as well as well said, 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.560 and you know, one of the first people who really 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.080 encourage Fenee to go for it and and game a 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.040 pep talk like son, you can do this was Lee Trevino. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.240 And they crossed paths when Feene I think it was 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.600 still a teenager and and and Lee Buck saw something 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.879 special in this kid. And like you were saying, as 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.640 Tom Watson has an eye for talent, probably Lee Trevino 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.800 might be the greatest talent scout there is. Like he 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.400 he just understands the game and it's such a visceral 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.159 sort of instinctive level. And um, you know, female is 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.399 talked about how important that that was was to have 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.639 as Lee as a mentor and obviously talk about in 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.560 some ways, Lee Trevino was tigraphed for a Tiger in 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.159 that he was a public course golfer. He did not 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.879 look like the typical tour player. Uh, you know, he 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.879 had he had to break through various stereotypes. And so 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.119 I think, you know, people, any golfer of color is 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.440 gonna feel a certain kinship. And for Trevino to reach 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:12.000 out to to Fee now is really cool and that 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:15.640 that's part of his journey as well. That is really neat. 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.080 And just one quick thing that that triggers. Last year 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.080 at the Father's Son Tournament, Uh Trevino was there. It's 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.920 just he's in his early eighties, he looks great. It's 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.680 just a total pleasure to watch Lee trevinoll play golfery 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.439 golf balls beyond the range of Tiger Woods as he was, 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:32.520 and Roger Malty the course whisper was there for for 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.400 Golf Channel or NBC Sports And uh And I said 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.640 to Roger that anymore. And I said to Rodge, does 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:42.440 anybody know more about the golf swing than Lee Trevino? 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:47.440 And Roger said, no, nobody knows more about his own 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.480 swing than Lee Trevino knows about his. If I don't know, 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.560 if I made that, just could followed it. It was 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:54.760 a long road to a small house. But can we 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.960 follow what? No, No, it's big in the end because 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:02.040 in other words, he knew his thing, and as you said, 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.000 he had a great eye for for other things. But 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.400 so I would distinguish a little bit between Lee Trevino 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:11.120 and and Tiger What you said about golfers of color 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.240 and not being welcome in public. Off, of course, that 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:17.440 well said all completely true, but it would be completely 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.719 unimaginable for Lee Trevino coming off of driving range at 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.479 Gusta National, as Tiger allegedly wins did and saying, you know, 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:27.560 Tiger said, hey, Kenny, you better give me something right now. 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:30.919 Lee Trevino just like had to look inside himself to 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.120 figure out what he needed to do. And of course 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.280 that's why, that's why Lee Trevino was held in such 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:40.359 awe by generations of players who came his generation and 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:45.399 generations that came after him. Real quick, real quick about 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:50.479 the Houston Open, because this is Tyson Alexander, son of 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:56.880 famous Florida coach Buddy Alexander. Uh finished second, and I 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:02.399 I tweet this often, but like no one saw Tyson 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:07.280 Alexander's results and didn't think it he should quit. Three years, 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.320 he took him to uh seven years to get the 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:16.480 Corn Ferry Tour. In three years, he missed at first 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:20.920 stage by combined thirty nine strokes. He missed by twelve, 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.200 he missed by fifteen, and he missed by twelve again 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:28.920 like he was not He would never talking about people 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.480 who are not supposed to get here. Uh. I mean 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.440 eleven years into his pro career, first time on tour 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:40.280 and four events into his his BJ Tour career, finished 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.280 the second and I mean basically as his card locked 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.399 up for next year. It's ridiculous. Uh, no way he 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.720 should be here. And Tyson is a good dude that 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:51.199 I've talked with you know some but ridiculous. I mean, 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.240 the guy missed a billion times at first stage and 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:59.160 somehow is now you know, kept his card. It's ridiculous. 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:05.240 Do you remember his mother, Joan? Of course? Yeah. For 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.760 those who are wondering where Michael's mind is, Joan Alexander 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.160 was a media official for the PGA tour, A very 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.480 nice person. But is that is that did she marry 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:17.720 into the family or is that his actual mother. I've 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.800 never been clear on that. I can't I can't say 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.840 I got No, it's not that I can't say. I mean, 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.720 I don't know. Good Lord Mike class An NBA with 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:32.720 Joan Alexander, we don't know about it. Yeah, well, we'll 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:34.399 tide you this up after the pod and make a 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:38.320 few phone calls. But okay, one second, one second, but 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.000 I think this is I was. You'll love this ran 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.800 because when I was on the Latino Americans who Are 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.600 in early two thousand eighteen doing that big story for 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:50.320 Golf magazine, he was he was playing the tour and 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.280 we talked and I found him very engaging. But even 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.879 then he was kind of pondering his his future. You know, 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:59.920 we were we were like in this in this crazy journey, 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:02.399 turns out to get from Jamaica to Costa Rica is 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:06.040 almost impossible. And that that was we're all on this 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.960 this flight. A lot of people flew um back into 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:10.919 the US. And then when you went went north to 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.240 go south, and one guy went through Toronto to save money, 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:15.760 Like if you look at a map to go from 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.200 Jamaica to Toronto to go to Rica's absolute insanity. But 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.240 he saved like three so he did it. And anyway, 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:25.200 but even Tyson back then was like I don't know, man, 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:27.200 like I have a question what I'm even doing here. 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:30.560 And it was dark times. And so now four years later, 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.480 as you said, he's he's now a legit PGA tour player. 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:37.560 It's awesome to see and and everybody knows that Tyson's 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:46.440 paternal grandfather was a drinking buddy of and golf partner of. Yes, 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:50.040 holy sh it, I mean, this is why I'm on 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.679 this spot. Is so crazy that like what who, Like 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:56.479 only Michael Bamberger and Allen ship Nick would just come 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:57.800 in and we're like, oh, I hung out with him 0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.399 at the altin American Tour and then his ample was 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.439 drinking buddies with Arnold Palmer. I was just like, I 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.560 don't know, man, I have some Q School stats. I 0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:08.800 always feel so dumb on this podcast. Don't even go there. 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:11.440 Just wait, I'm just fine. I'm hearing from people who 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.119 aren't buying this bullshit. So don't even just like, I 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.480 put up some Q School stats and you tie it 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:18.960 back to Arnold Palmer, Like what we would even be 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.840 want about Tyson Alexander if you hadn't brought him up? Ryan? 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.200 Fair enough, fair enough, I've done my I've done my Jenna. 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.560 But we also need to talk about the fact that 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:31.000 Michael Michael Bamberger for those not watching on YouTube, Okay, 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:35.439 Michael Bamberger has a perfectly pressed white dress shirt on 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.320 a very nice card again probably from I'm gonna guess 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:42.679 Ralph Lauren or something you know. And and and before 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:45.399 the pots started he got off and he has p 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:50.200 J pants on. Is like, I mean, it's a Ryan. 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.000 I love his business on top party on the bottom. 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:56.960 Everybody knows this. I love it. I mean people watching 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:58.440 on YouTube, but like, oh my god, he has a 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.359 he has a h he has a nice look at him. 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.560 You get a sweater and a dress shirt on. Man, 0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.840 just got out of bed a couple hour minutes ago 0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:09.160 before we started this. Indeed, I would never go down 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:10.840 this road, and I'm not going on this road, but 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:16.720 I would never buy rock that Ryan apologized. But you 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.960 know that Michael has some deep affinity for the hard 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:23.760 collar polos, to the point that if you see them 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:27.000 at some Florida pro shop, he'll like clean the whole 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.119 joint out. He has like a lifetime supply. Tell us 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:31.960 that your tell us about this, Michael, you have a 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.719 history with these shirts. Well, no, no, we're not going 0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.119 to do a whole thing on that, but will appreciate this. 0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:41.240 I once, many years ago, had I was playing golf 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:44.399 at Cypress Point Club and I was I was playing 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:48.000 with the gentleman named Chuck Winston. Um. It was just 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.200 a great gim and you had to wear a coat 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:53.880 and tie at lunch at Cypress Point in those days. 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:56.920 And he had a hard collar golf shirt on that 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.760 would accommodate the tie so he wouldn't have to change 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.880 for lunch to the first two. And I think that's 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.360 maybe where my thing started. Like this really actually makes 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.960 sense now, of course, nobody works to tie a lunch anymore, 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:12.359 but it's a whole thing. Yeah, that's funny. Um, alright, 0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.639 one one last winner. Let's just do a little a 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:16.720 little chit chat about Padrick Harrington, who was one of 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.840 the real originals in the game and had a terrific 0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:24.960 year on the Senior tour. UM. I absolutely love Padrick. 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.920 He's so much fun. And one story that makes me 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:30.320 laugh is if you remember what he won. He won 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.800 the British Open and he won the PG Championship, So 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:34.679 he was going into Augusta trying to win three majors 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.520 in a row. And I got to sit down interview 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:41.640 with him, uh maybe six weeks ahead of the Masters, 0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.480 to do a big Master's preview story. And I've done 0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:46.360 all these stats, and I showed up with a big 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.440 like yellow legal pad and I really wanted to like 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:53.120 talk through his how he's gonna attack Augusta. And you know, 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.680 I had stat upon stat and he looked at my 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.440 notebook and he said, put that away. I said, what 0:28:58.480 --> 0:28:59.880 do you mean. He said, I don't want to see that. 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:01.560 I get that out of here. Like he was like, 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:05.280 really like somewhat exercise. I said why, I said, It's 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:06.960 just a bunch of stats. He's like, I know you're 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.480 gonna ask me all these questions about how I've played 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.720 this hole and this shot. He said, I don't want 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.040 to be standing out there during the Masters thinking about, oh, 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.320 the fourteenth hole is where I have my highest stroke average, 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:18.880 and you're the one who put that thought in my head. 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:23.200 He's like, he's like, banish that notebook. I was like, okay, Pudrick, 0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.200 but like this is I had a whole thing here, 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.200 and he's like, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be mean. 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.440 He's like, that's how fragile I am. I cannot be 0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.040 standing over a shot and I guess national thinking about 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:34.840 a statu you put in my head six weeks earlier. 0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:37.400 And that amazed me. But I thought it was like 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.760 so much insight into the guy. And we had a 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.800 very cordial conversation after that. But I just had totally 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:44.920 had to wing it because my months of preparation went 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.400 out the window because he's so He's like a cat 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.880 on a hot tin roof. Absolutely one of the funniest, 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.120 smartest people in golf. And we know, you know it's 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.080 funny Alan when we and and Ryan when we said, 0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:55.680 when we come up with lists of people who would 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.160 be good TV commentators when we often say Phil of 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.280 course and Calumn Montgomery of course, but Patrick would be 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:04.840 the best of them all. I've never really had that 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.720 thought before, but he would be absolutely fantastic. I think 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.320 this is a different conversation. I mean, he just fascinates me. 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.200 And I said, what you've been working on, you know, 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:15.880 in your golfwak? I know you're always working on something. 0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:18.880 He's like, I've been thinking about the position of my tongue. 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.880 Like I was like, like it was like a record scratch, 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:26.120 like he said. He said, yeah, because where are you 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.400 position your tongue affects your jaw, and if your jaw 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.160 can affect your entire spine, He's like, so I was, 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.240 you know, I've been experimenting hitting shots with my tongue 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:39.000 in different positions and and with different um levels of 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:43.960 force against my jawline. And I was like, man, that's 0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.640 some next level stuff there. But he was dead serious 0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:50.560 along those lines. When you when you look at stop 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.440 action photographs of like even Ernie els Uh, when you 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.760 see him at impact, speaking of their jaw, their veins 0:30:57.760 --> 0:30:59.600 are always sticking out of their neck and they're all 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.680 clenched and they're all tight and it's it's just such 0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.160 a reminder of what an athletic act hitting a golf 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:09.480 ball is. Even if the overall picture is smooth and relaxed, 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:13.080 that moment an impact takes. So I think he's probably 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.680 it's if I need another thing to screw up my golf. 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.840 I got enough, yeah, Michael. But Michael will have his 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:24.520 tongue out when we're playing next. Alright, So UM a 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.560 victory that was that was overlooked by many golf fans 0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:30.440 but has meaning to us. What was Andy Ogletree winning 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.360 in Egypt um as part of the International Series on 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:38.040 the Asian Tour. And Andy Ogletree has accidentally become a 0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.200 very important person in the world of golf. You know, 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:44.960 he played one live event in London finished I believe 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:52.320 dead last UM by a lot, but that he if 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:55.480 If you're talking about this antitrust lawsuit between the PGA 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.360 Tour and Live Golf, which could blow up the entire 0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:01.560 landscape but professional golf, Andy ogletree experience is going to 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:05.959 be exhibit A because he was basically suspended by the 0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.280 tour and this is a guy who had no status, 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.880 had nowhere to play um more or less, and that's 0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.720 why he He he lunged at the first opportunity that 0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:18.760 was available to him, which was live golf and UM. 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.280 And now he's you know, he's he's been he's been 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:23.840 banished by the tour. Now he wasn't suspended for life, 0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.880 it's basically till the end of this year. And his agent, 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.160 Mac Barnhart, who's appeared on this podcast a few times, 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:32.560 feels like they're going to be in position to get 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.960 get Andy back on the PGA Tour um and if 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.360 not that there, they will have a very strong case 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.440 that the tour is coluding against him because he was 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.840 not a PGA Tour member. He was not a lifetime 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:45.800 member like a Dustin or Philmicholson. This this this is just 0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.920 a young player desperate for a place to play. So, Ryan, 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:50.920 what are your thoughts on on ogle Trees victory and 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:55.080 what it means? Yeah, I mean huge, huge to him. 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.680 I mean it's his first professional victory. He's just I 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:02.240 mean the podcast, UM, you know, I I encourage a 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.280 lot of people to go back. Uh, you know, I 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.640 tweeted about him all week. He he led from the 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:11.960 second day on UM and I mean he shot twenty 0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:16.440 three under and I mean stared down, burned. Uh, I 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:21.240 mean the Winsburger Wiseburger made an eagle on ten, hold 0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:23.240 out for ten, like got it within two and Andy 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:28.440 just played well. Um but I tweeted about it a weekend. 0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:30.960 It really felt like Andy was at the like I mean, 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.720 he was at a point of I'm not sure you 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.200 know how many more years he can go on, even 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:40.840 as the US Amateur champion. Just hasn't played well and uh, 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:42.760 you know, finally get over some injuries. But I just 0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:45.160 encouraged people to go back and listen to that podcast. 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.040 It's easy from the outside to say he made a 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:50.240 stupid decision to go to Live and get suspended and 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.840 all those kind of things, and it's just not that simple. 0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:56.120 It's complicated, and he didn't have a place to play, 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:59.000 and he was out of money and all the things 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.680 that a lot of pro is go through. And no 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.240 matter how he felt about Live, and I mean, he 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.080 seems to be supportive of it, which is understandable. He 0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.760 went there, but a lot of players in his position 0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.320 would have taken the one start even and he was 0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.520 hurt and not playing well at the time, obvious by 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.719 his score. Um, but I think it's it's huge in 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:23.120 the pro golf landscape. As you said, Alan, that that 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:27.200 the Asian Tour is a viable option. Today starts UH 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.360 Asian the first Asian Tour Q school in the United States. Um, 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.319 it's only going to grow from here if if Live 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.160 continues to grow. Asian Tour is a huge part of it. 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:42.480 The guy one seventy dollars, it's almost double what you're 0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:45.440 going to win on the corn Ferry Tour UH for 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:49.719 an event. It's a huge part of this story in 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.520 pro golf, and I think Andy kind of just proved 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.080 that it's a viable way to do it going forward 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:56.440 through Live Golf. You're gonna be able to play your 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:58.680 way on to Live through the Asian Tour. It may 0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.120 only be a handful of spots, but um, it's an 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.480 actual road to a big time golf tour where we 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.560 know the persons are huge and so yeah, we've talked 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.600 about this previously. We don't have to go really deep again, 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:14.320 but um, there's it's quite likely the Asian Tours is 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:17.560 gonna surpass the European Tour and it's importance in the 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.719 scheme of of global golf, and especially if you're a 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:24.000 young player, and a young American. Ryan's whole career has 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:28.279 been built on on highlighting how cutthroat it is to 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:30.880 try and make it from Canada or Latin America to 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.160 the corn ferry to to Monday, to try and just 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.680 get on the PGA Tour where it's so hard to 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.560 keep your card, and if Asia Asia is turning out 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:44.280 to be a very viable option, and for a young American, 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.360 the United States Amateur champion, to go over there and 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:51.000 and highlight that for his other colleagues, it's I think 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:56.880 that's powerful and and quick thought about that on UM. 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:58.600 I don't think a lot of people would appreciate the 0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.160 fact that live is of all being very quickly here. 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.239 And and one of the things that I think it's 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.160 been a very legitimate criticism is that it's an invitation 0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:10.839 only series of of of tournaments. And of course where 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.560 you're establishing here, where you're where you're describing here, is 0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:15.640 that that's not the case. So you can play your 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:19.680 way onto the Lift Tour via the Asian Tour, which 0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:21.440 I mean it's very different how it's done on the 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:24.799 PGA Tour, but still proves that there there there is 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.880 a merit path there's a lot of different there's a 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:29.640 lot of different ways to define merit, but there is 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.960 one very concrete, numbers only path via Asian Tour success 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:35.719 that will get you on the Lift Tour. Is that. 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:38.480 I mean it may only be three spots, it may 0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.640 only be one spot week to week. You know, it 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:44.759 fluctuated as as this season went on. But um, you 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:50.760 know there's there's definitely going to be a path, and UM, 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.000 you know that that is significant. It's also important from 0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:57.120 the World Rankings because that's one of the criteria that 0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:00.279 the World Rankings has set out, is that you need 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:02.000 to be able to essentially play your way onto the 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.439 tour if you want if you want world ranking points. 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.480 So um that you know live Is is trying to 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.960 check those boxes. I mean they they're trying to barge 0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.120 their way in. Um when it comes to ranking points. 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:14.400 I think they're realizing that it's not going to be 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:16.520 that easy and so they're going to have to abide 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.799 by some of the pre established criteria and that that's 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.360 an important one. Is there has to be you know, 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.359 there's there's a you're gonna love this Ryan. There's there's 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:30.600 strong conversation about adding a Monday que Um however, yeah, 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.880 so um, you know again, even if it's only one spot, 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:38.719 it's like that could change your career. So um so yeah, 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:42.400 as you're you're right, Michael Live is adapting to the realities. 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:44.920 They try to do it their way. Nothing wrong with that. 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.919 I think they've realized that Okay, it's um, it's gonna 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.640 be more complex and they're gonna have to make some 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:54.040 tweaks and that that's ongoing. So uh, if Greg Norman 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.359 is listening, Um, I think I tweeted out that I'll 0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:01.880 take twenty million, uh to I'm covered the Monday qualifiers, 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.759 but I talked to my non existing agent and he said, 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:10.320 fifteen seems more reasonable. Soft million. Greg, if if you're listening, 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:14.640 probably gonna accept ten. If we're being a Ryan, the 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.920 agents supposed to ask for more than what the So 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:24.360 I don't know something about about Aiogle Tree. Of course, 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.520 it takes enormous talent to make it in golf. But 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:29.759 I think just the fact that he won this tour 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:32.560 me here's a kid from smalltown, Mississippi's father owned to 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:36.160 Piggley Wiggly there and now he's playing in Egypt, and 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.560 it just is another demonstration of you have got to 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.279 have the grit gene to make it in golf. Um 0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:44.880 and uh. And it's neat to see. And it's a 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.719 tremendous testimony to him. I remember when, of course we 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.480 all remember if we followed golf closely winning one the 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:51.880 U s Am and then and then many of us 0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.920 would remember how well he played when Tiger was the 0:38:54.960 --> 0:39:01.160 defending Master's champion in that was the postponed Masters in November, 0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:04.520 when Dustin Johnson won and he played beautifully the Thursday 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.560 Friday rounds in the presence of Tiger Woods. Not easy 0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.040 to do. And then he fell off the earth, and 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.399 it would be easy to say, like we'll never hear 0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:15.160 from this kid again. And uh. And I watched it, 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.000 just a brief clip of him yesterday, was like I 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:22.000 didn't even I almost literally would not even recognize him. Uh. 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:25.320 But it's a great testimony to to what's deep inside 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.400 him without even really knowing. Just the fact that you 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.480 saw his name in the agate listing of a tournament 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:35.040 in Egypt and that he won is phenomenal. And I 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:39.960 always think that top top amateurs like that. Um. You know, 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.360 I see a lot of them in many Tour events. 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:46.200 I think it's just so hard mentally guys to get 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.520 back right. Like I mean, Andy was the US Open champion, 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.520 you know, played at Georgia Tech, had uh, you know, 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:57.280 exemptions into PGA Tour events, and and not that long 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.400 after that, you know whatever, two years he is playing 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:02.799 the g Pro. Listen, the g Pro is a fine 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:07.719 mini tour, but it is miles and oceans and countries 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:12.160 away from PGA Tour events, and mentally, it's just got 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:15.280 to be so hard. The guy had, you know, exemptions, 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.680 and I'm sure sponsors and those kind of things, and 0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:23.480 golf people forget quickly, and sponsors forget and people don't 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.960 give a shit about you anymore when you start to 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:31.960 play poorly. And Andy, you know, and he had points 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:35.600 that he said about about live and and the PGA Tour. 0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:38.400 But Andy went wherever he could play. I saw him 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:40.719 at the Colorado Open, played on the Golden State Tour, 0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:44.280 played on the g Pro Tour, played where he could play. Uh, 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.920 and now it's back. It's just it's a I love 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.719 the fight part of it because uh, he was at 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.839 the top of the world literally and uh and fell 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.880 too near the bottom. Yeah, I mean, and look at 0:40:57.880 --> 0:40:59.920 look at these players were talking about. You know, Nell 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.960 Corda obviously tremendously gifted, but blood clot in her arm. 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:07.880 Her sister just heard her back and is out, Um 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:13.000 like there's adversity there. Um. Tommy Fleetwood, I've been kicked 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.080 around the last three years. He comes back and wins 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:19.040 in Africa of all places. You know, Um, we talked 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.080 talked about fee now, I mean I like that the 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.879 grit gene, Michael, it's it's it's a real thing. And 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.480 you know, even Padrick like he was, he was a 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:31.040 good European tour player, and he knew he had more 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:33.360 inside of him, and he dedicate himself to blown up 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.680 his entire golf swing in his game because he felt 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:37.960 like there was another level there for him. And it 0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:40.320 was a gamble, right, I mean he this is a 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:43.360 guy who famously took like an accounting degree because he 0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:44.840 wasn't sure he could make it as a as a 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.920 touring pro. But he knew he knew what he had 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.480 inside of him, and of course it paid off, winning majors, 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.239 can be Hall of Famer, and now he's's having a 0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.400 great final act on the on the senior tour. So 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.560 I mean, we talked so much about talent, that's the 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:02.520 word that gets thrown around so oh much. But grit 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:06.080 is probably the delineator, and at that at the professional 0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:10.360 golf and uh, I've said this a million times, but 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:13.160 the greatest grinder I've ever seen in golf there the 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:17.439 two guy caddy for named Billy Britten, who's um uh, 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.320 who played in the eighties. But the single greatest grinder 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.560 in the history of golf is Tiger Woods. There's no 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.000 question about him. I thought so hard for every stroke. 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:30.120 I mean, it's it's true. Yeah, Well, this would be 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:31.680 a great place to end the podcast, but we have 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:33.960 there's some other things we should talk about because everyone's 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:36.680 talking about them, and we were just talking about Live Golf, 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.160 and the big news out of Live this week is 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:43.960 is Pat Prez's war on Phil Mickelson. You know he Um, 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:48.719 he had some very spicy comments, and of course people 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:52.480 have been asking me about them, so I will say this. Um. 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.800 I knew there was history there, and in the writing 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.960 of the philm book, I went to Perez and I said, 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:01.200 I've I've heard this part the rumor from a lot 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:05.040 of people. Um, And he didn't want to talk about 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:06.839 it and then when he when he when he signed 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:08.359 up with Live I went back to him. I was like, 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:12.280 I mean, you know, you're now in a very closer environment. 0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:15.160 And Phil, I mean, come on, He's like, I'm not 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:19.799 going to talk about it. And UM, in this very 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:23.640 litigious moment in in golf, let me choose my words carefully, 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.600 I will just say that it involves Mrs Perez. Phil 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:32.920 did something that that deeply offended her and Pat and um, 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:36.840 you know it's Phil did some of your Phil is 0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:39.279 alleged to have done correct well, according to Pat, you know, 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:44.279 Phil apologized for it and um, and you know, so yes, 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.520 he He's alleged to have just something. He's alleged to 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:50.200 have apologized for it. Um. This is an open secret 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:54.440 in the world of golf. Many people know the details. Um, 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:58.560 some claim to have seen evidence of whatever happened. UM. 0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.319 So I think we we'll leave it vague for the 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:07.919 listeners to try and connect. Not Live Golf in some 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.359 aspects has become like the w w E. It's like 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:15.759 they have I mean, like the w w E. If 0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:18.319 you said, hey, two of our best players are name 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:22.000 players would have some sort of like fight like that 0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:25.399 it's great. That's great. I mean, like they are kind 0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:29.360 of like, it's so wild what is going on on 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:33.160 the live tour, Like it's just crazy. I mean, it's insane, 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.960 and it's obviously been bubbling up inside of Perez for 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.200 a while. It's funny that he would make it public, 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:43.440 and by making it public but not adding any real details, 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:45.840 of course, they're just gonna touch off all kinds of 0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:51.319 rampant speculation and um, and someone's gonna ask him about 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.319 it again, So ione's gonna ask Phil about it, Like, 0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.400 you know, the I would say it was not masterful 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:58.319 public relations, Like if you want to get off his jesse, 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:00.880 you should have just put it all out there. And 0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:04.000 now this is gonna have multiple news cycles. But you're right, Ryan, 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:08.200 I mean, it's the personalities on that tour are so fascinating. 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.480 And man, what I love to be in the room 0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.319 when when Pat and uh Phil get together at the 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.839 first event next year. You know, obviously they avoid each 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:22.400 other socially, it seems, uh, but man, would I love 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:24.520 to be at the first live event when when those 0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:26.879 two are in the room together, especially as you said, 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:30.200 it's eventually all the details are eventually going to come out. 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.279 He's open a cannon worms. Somebody's gonna put it out there, 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:37.000 as you know better than anyone, Like the story. I 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.200 heard the story way before I started with fire Pit, Like, 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:48.279 I mean, it's relatively known, and so it's like it's 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:50.959 gonna come out and then they're gonna have to meet 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.160 and there's only fifty four players. It's not like there's 0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.799 wave different waves or whatever. They're going to see each 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:59.480 I mean, I've always described the pg Tour as high 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.960 school with money. You know, it's this very insular world. 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:07.400 It's very gossipy and live. It's times at times three 0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.360 because it's a third of the size, so it's like 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:12.560 everything's more intense. It's a small group of people and 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:16.200 they're they're really bound together their their fortunes and their livelihoods. 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.239 You know, in a way on on the PGA Tour, 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:22.520 it was it was every man himself. Live is different. 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:27.680 It's an interconnected network of of golfers who need each other, 0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:31.279 not only through this team element, but you know, they 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:34.320 know that the future of this thing is is not set. 0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:38.440 Like you know, the Crown Print. If he could just 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:40.239 wake up tomorrow and be like this is a bad 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:44.279 idea and um, and pull the plug, right, I mean 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:48.200 that that's an actual possibility. Um, it's not. It's not 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.799 a self subtaining, sustaining entity like the PGA tour. So 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.280 like these guys are bound together, their professional fortunes are 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.120 are linked, and so it makes it all that much 0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:01.359 more intense, and so any little, any little feuding like 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:05.440 this takes on more important. So yeah, it's how come 0:47:05.480 --> 0:47:08.080 we haven't heard anything about the Dustin Johnson Brooks cup 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:10.880 good relationship for a while. How are those two getting along? 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:14.640 They're getting along fine. I mean you know they had 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.920 they had this this dust up Sunday night in in 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.359 Paris after the Ryder Cup. The story I heard, which 0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:24.520 is so lame. I don't know even It's like I've 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:26.600 tried to fact check it. I've never gotten anywhere but 0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:31.600 that they were all hanging out and um some and 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:34.600 of course you've got you've got the wives slash girlfriends 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:36.480 in the mix. And that's a whole other subtext to 0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:39.920 live is like if you look at in all of golf, 0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:44.480 which significant others have the biggest profiles and love the 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:48.480 attention the most and are the thirstiest. To use the vernacular, 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.759 I mean they're all on live golf now. It's just unbelievable. 0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:55.800 And so you have you Brooks, and you have Jenna, 0:47:55.960 --> 0:48:00.239 and you have Dustin and Paulina and supposedly this is 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.319 what I've heard. I can't say it's true, but it 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.040 makes me laughing. This is actually it that some group 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:06.920 wanted to go go out in the town in Paris 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.400 and some other group didn't want to and there's an 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:13.360 argument and it was something about who was responsible for 0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:16.239 calling a car and Brooks and Dustin got into it 0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:20.040 like it was like so prosaic, and um, you know 0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:24.200 who knows? And uh, as I said last week about 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:28.480 the Reds having their own reality show, uh, it should 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:31.080 be filed up directly by just the you know, real 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:35.480 Housewives of lip Goff right, like a hundred percent the reads, 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:39.720 the reads, Yeah we didn't men talk about just then? Yeah, 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:45.960 I mean the personalities over there, Mrs Perez, Uh, Jenna, Justine, 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:48.960 Holy Molly, there's a lot of room. There's a lot 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:52.359 of personalities. I think. I don't do you even mention 0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.440 this on a podcast. I tweeted it when I was 0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:59.720 at the live event in UM Chicago. Um, Jenna drove 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:04.439 by in a cart with their dog this black laugh things. 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:06.960 His name is Cove. I've seen on social media right 0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:10.640 like it was so funny. I love dogs, I have 0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:13.160 I love dogs on the golf courses in the UK, 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:17.240 but I've never seen a dog on the tournament grounds 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:20.080 like it was just so funny. Um, once saw a 0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:23.880 very charming thing in a Marriott parking lot Brooks Jenna 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.240 and dog going for a walk early in the morning 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:30.320 before Yeah, I mean you're devoted that dog. Listen probably 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:32.040 others nobody loves her dog with it. I love my 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:35.200 dog so well traveled dog. Yeah. Well yeah, when you 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:37.960 got on play and it's not a big deal, but um, 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:41.879 it's just as to the point of I mean, there's 0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:46.759 an element of absurdity to all of this. And um, hey, Jake, 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.600 if you don't put the the uh the little clip 0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:51.799 that I put up on Twitter of Mrs Perez going 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:55.239 this new tour is gonna be I kindact right here, 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:57.919 you've missed out. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. I mean, 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.520 anyone who follows Ashley Peret on social knows she's she's 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:09.920 not a shrinking violet. So um anyway, it's wild. Is 0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:12.280 is Amy Michelson up to playing the role of Barbara 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:15.680 Nicholas for this new tour. I mean she's well positioned 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:20.880 and that she's so beloved and respected. Um, but I 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:24.239 have not seen Amy Michelson at any tournament since the 0:50:24.280 --> 0:50:29.960 November Masters. That's two years ago now. Um, just have 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:31.840 not seen her a major championship. You know, there was 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.160 a she wasn't. She wasn't at Kioa when Phil won. 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.960 What about what about the Ryder Cup in uh in Wisconsin? 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:42.600 She was there. I guess I that's a different deal. 0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:45.719 That's such a team thing and and you know they've 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:48.680 got to have an actual procession of wives in the 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:51.680 opening ceremony. I'm accepting that, but just just a regular 0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:54.319 whether it's a tour event, a live event, or a major. 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:55.920 I haven't seen her. I'm not saying she hasn't been there, 0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:59.759 but usually she's very easy to spot and um so 0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:03.400 she's definitely her tail, her travel or at least her 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:06.560 public profile. So I don't know if she wants that 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:08.759 role or not. I mean she kind of had it, 0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:13.280 um even up until Phil Phil left the PGA Tour, 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:18.080 but uh, yeah, it is it's so funny in golf, 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:22.160 and like I've been reading this, this biography of Greg Norman. Um, 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:27.839 they've written in the nineties, and Um, Lauren Laurence st. John. 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:31.279 Maybe that's a great pull by you, Michael. Um, it's 0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:33.359 a it's a good book actually, and she she did 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.920 a really nice job. And there's so much Laura Norman 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:41.440 in the book and all this talk about she's she's in. 0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:44.080 She's just there after every round, she's on every plane flight, 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.760 she's part of every business meeting. And it's just funny 0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:50.280 how in in golf the wives have such public roles, 0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:54.680 Like I know Lebron James is married and and it 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:56.840 seems like she's a very nice person, but you never 0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:01.280 hear anything about her in any context of his professional life. Um, 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.640 whereas you know when Harold Varner goes to live the 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:07.439 headlines where Harold Varner's wife encouraged them to go to live, 0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:09.799 like it's just a whole thing in golf that's so 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:12.960 interesting because they don't really have teammates, right and so 0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:17.239 um and the effect of Justine reid On on Patrick's 0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:19.920 career we know has been significant, not just catting for 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:23.120 him in the Mondays where we know nothing untoward happened 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:25.719 because we've spoken about this in the past, UM and 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:30.280 UM on down the line. So it's just it's amazing 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.080 the prominence of these wives. They are definitely gifts from 0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:37.000 the content gods. I agree with that. What is your 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:39.640 insight too, whether Greg Norman is going to be moved 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.160 and whether somebody knew might be coming in, namely Mark King. 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.279 As of right now, I don't think it's gonna happen. 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:48.200 It doesn't mean it won't happen next year. UM. I 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.279 think that they're trying to They're trying to hold the 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:54.880 line and keep everything cohesive, um going into next season. 0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:58.279 Like clearly we've talked about this before. Live is way 0:52:58.320 --> 0:52:59.960 ahead of where any of us thought it would be. 0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:02.839 His acquisition of players. Now they're trying to bake out 0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:06.520 the team elements and trying to get better tournament venues. 0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:09.920 And this is not the moment to blow things up. 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.600 But you know, Norman is working really hard on all 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:17.160 the details, Like he's involved on a granular level, and 0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:19.719 the guy's almost seventy years old. I'm not sure how 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:23.719 much he wants that grind. Clearly, UM, if there's ever 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:27.560 gonna be a reapproach it with the tour, Norman's got 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:30.680 to go because he's been he's been such a thorn 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.759 in the side of the PGA tour and Jay Monahan. 0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:35.920 Um so I could see a year from now he 0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:39.319 will declare victory and and he will um, he will 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:42.040 exit stage left. And and you know Mark King, the 0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.439 former tailor Maids are he's been. He's been talked about 0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:48.560 quite a lot as as a potential successor. Um, you 0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:50.279 know him very well, Michael. I mean I think he 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.200 would be he'd be well suited for the job. Whether 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:56.360 he wants or not unknown, But um, I think I 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:59.400 think that right now that that Norman's on pretty solid 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:02.120 footing and he had some public misteps. He said some 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:06.239 dumb things early on, but um, they kind of they 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:08.319 kind of put him on ice. Like Greg, Norman took 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:11.280 a much lower media profile the second half of the season. 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:17.759 That was by design. Um you know he's um you 0:54:17.800 --> 0:54:19.439 have to give him a lot of credit. I mean, 0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:23.479 he helped build this thing and um so it's his baby. 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:27.000 I don't think he's going anywhere in the short term. 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:28.960 The real question about Live is how do they fix 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:32.759 the nibblicks. It's kind of one of my regrets is 0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:34.360 that I didn't lean into that, like you could have 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:37.080 been a bit at every press conference, like so many 0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:42.919 questions about the teams didn't just like you know, yeah, yeah, 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:46.440 it's like, is there strife among the nibulicks? You know? 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:50.960 How is the team crabberd camaraderie and the nibblicks? Well, 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.200 I mean that that's That's a real part of this 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:56.120 offseason is what Lives is gonna how they're gonna bake 0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:59.160 out the team element. And I really think that just 0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.239 a side note about that. Here how here is how 0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:04.640 Live has changed the world of golf. And this is 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:08.440 not a parody or a joke. There's a guy, his 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:13.719 name is Lendon Michaelson Landon Michelson, Uh ironically that has 0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:15.680 played many tours for a long time, and it is 0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:17.640 trying to start a new mini tour and it is 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:22.560 based off of the team concept and it's basically a 0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:27.000 mini tour of Live. It's like a little for person 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:31.440 They're trying to get uh investors to purchase little teams, 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:34.120 you know, at a very minimal cost for people that 0:55:34.160 --> 0:55:37.680 basically want to gamble on mini tour golf and uh, 0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:43.360 it's wild like Live has had so far reaching effects 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:46.279 on the game of golf. It is literally reached the 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:48.680 mini tour level. Now, it seems like that's that's tough 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.239 to do because all your players ultimately just want to 0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:52.880 leave that tour like I want to move up, like 0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:55.399 how you can have any cohesion. But I guess that's 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:57.520 part of the fun, as you just keep bringing new bodies. 0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:00.719 And Okay, well we're talking. We barely mention this like 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.799 half an hour ago. Let's just before we go, let's 0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:06.440 pour out a little um almond milk or whatever it 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:10.439 is for Roger Malpi and Gary Coke. Like they they've 0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:11.880 been a big part of our lives. They've been in 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.040 our in our living rooms for many years now, and 0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:17.680 NBC is part of ways. I mean, we all love Roger, 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.960 especially such a character and uh Michael tell tell us 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:23.319 a good story about one or both of them. Well, 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:27.040 you know, everyone knows when Rodge won the UH when 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:29.920 he won the Memorial Tournament. I think in seventy five. 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:32.239 I think the first place check was for d K 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:33.960 and they really gave you a check back then, not 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:37.280 the cardboard thing. Roger went to a bar and lost 0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:42.400 the check at the bars. Do not know that one out? 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:44.520 I mean, I I thought it was apocryphal. I've never 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.960 heard the details that that's fantastic. I think it's true. Uh. 0:56:49.000 --> 0:56:52.279 Uh Roger very very very insightful golf guy. And just 0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:56.000 a quick note about Gary Coke, very very insightful golf guy. 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:58.799 And you know, totally different personalities. But they did their 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:01.719 jobs really well for long time. And uh and I 0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:05.080 think they you know, like like like Venturi, Uh, they 0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:06.719 brought a lot of comfort to people for a lot 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.400 of years because they were just so uh familiar and 0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:13.239 good at their job and and uh and and and 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.640 they were a presence uh in the game obviously, and 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:18.960 uh and just you know, to those of us have 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:21.120 been around the game. I never knew Gary, but but 0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:23.120 Roger was always you know, I've been a lot of 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:26.320 hotels with them in other places or some hotels, and uh, 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:30.560 just a warm, endearing person. And uh. The year that 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:36.840 when Tiger won uh the US Open at at Tory 0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:40.360 Pines that week, particularly spent a lot of time with 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.760 uh with Roger and when I picked up a lot 0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:44.800 that week. But one thing I would say in particular 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:49.120 was that the Tiger has very very high standards and 0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:53.360 I could see that he obviously respected Roger and uh uh, 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:56.600 that's that's a lot to me about Roger as well. 0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:59.240 But anyway, they'll be missed. Have a funny Roger Mulvey story. 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:02.520 It's inappropriate, but you know this is for mature audience. 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:06.120 Is this podcast anyway? Um? Flying home from the Open 0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:09.400 Championship one year, I got upgraded to the pointy end 0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:12.439 of the bird and multi happened to be seated next 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.040 to me, and so you chit chat or whatever. It's 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:17.400 a long flight, and so I was. I was cued 0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:18.760 up a movie to watch, and I was watching The 0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:21.320 Devil's Advocate and I could see him. You know, you 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:22.840 can kind of feel the person next to you like 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:25.600 watching your screen. It's like a weird thing because you 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:27.640 could have watched it himself on his own screen. But whatever, 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:30.880 I didn't really care. But I've never seen the movie before. 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:34.280 And at some point that Charlie's their own appears on 0:58:34.320 --> 0:58:38.000 the screen topless, and I just couldn't resist. I looked 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:41.280 over at Roger and he's watching, and he gave me 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:45.800 this huge grid and like two thumbs up, like it 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:53.040 was so great, I've never forgotten. Oh that's amazing. This 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:56.120 is a this isn't a serious question. Do you think 0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:59.640 that Live had anything to do with them being replaced? 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:02.760 Meaning like they are kind of old school, right, I 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:06.720 love both of them, as you know, like, but you know, 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:10.440 Shane Bacon's out there, Smiley starting to get into it, 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:13.840 Colt knowst is making a name for himself, Like, I mean, 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:16.800 he's very good, and he's already made a name for himself, 0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:19.960 but maybe moving up to like a bigger role at NBC. 0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:22.400 I don't know that, I'm just throwing out names. Do 0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:25.560 you think that, like trying to make the game younger 0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:30.240 that Live has kind of pushed Not that it had 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.960 any big thing to do, but just like on a 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:36.600 smaller scale, do you think that golf is more cognizant 0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:39.920 of the product they put out? The PGA Tour is 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:43.040 more cognizant of the product they put up. Yes, in 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:46.600 a word, absolutely, And even before Live was on the scene, 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:49.360 you know, the CBS was very aware that that Master's 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:52.680 telecast was getting older and older by the year. And 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:56.200 I don't know this for for sure, but I believe 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:58.920 it's well north of sixty the average age of the 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:03.480 person watching the Master. Uh So you know, now I'm 1:00:03.520 --> 1:00:05.200 the oldest person in this group, but we all have 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:08.440 some attachment to Roger I remember very well as a player, 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:10.200 but even if you never knew that part of him, 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:13.400 just as a persons in your lives. But there's a 1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:16.360 lot of people under twenty five just like, who's this guy? 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:20.120 Uh uh so sure, I don't think there's any question. Yeah, 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:22.520 in the world where dude perfect is kicking beach balls 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:26.080 and amen corner Like, clearly it's on the minds of 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:30.320 of the golf decision makers. And you know, there's there's 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:33.480 this whole generation that that is getting replaced, and I 1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:35.200 don't think it's really an indictment of any of them 1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:37.560 as individuals. I think what you said is bang on. Ryan. 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:40.160 It's like we have to reinvent ourselves a little bit 1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:44.360 and um there this this is just one more step 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:45.840 and it will be I agree, it'll be interesting to 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:49.760 see who fills those roles. Um, you know what, I 1:00:49.800 --> 1:00:51.480 was going to release the listeners, but there's one more 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:54.680 thing we have to talk about, which is Ryan, You're 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:59.120 you're Alex fit Patrick Scoop and the story that created 1:00:59.120 --> 1:01:03.760 a lot of conversation ation on on social media and elsewhere. Um, 1:01:04.040 --> 1:01:05.680 for the listeners who have missed the story and we 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:07.439 will direct them towards it, but give give a brief 1:01:07.480 --> 1:01:09.640 summary of of what it means and then what the 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:13.200 reaction has been for you personally. Just like Monday Qualifiers, 1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:15.560 we bury it at the end of the podcast, you know, 1:01:15.760 --> 1:01:19.440 I mean, jeez, I'm just kidding. Um, I mean the 1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:21.760 quick summation of the story, and it does get a 1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:27.040 bit complicated, But p G A tour you is um 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:30.520 the rankings for what used to be college seniors, and 1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:32.560 if you've finished in the top five, you've got corn 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:35.280 Ferry status at the end of the year after n 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:37.520 t S and then you go to spot in the 1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:42.840 um finals of Q School. Alex Fitzpatrick, brother of US 1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:48.280 Open champion Matt Fitzpatrick, finished sixth and according to I 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:51.720 hate to say, according to multiple sources because that it's 1:01:51.760 --> 1:01:55.160 just awkward, according to multiple sources, and my voice is 1:01:55.240 --> 1:02:01.080 gone at this point. But um he um. He had 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:05.400 lawyers involved. The Fitzpatrick family had lawyers involved, arguing about 1:02:05.440 --> 1:02:09.880 the ranking one particular event held during COVID in particular, 1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:15.480 and the tour UH gave him an exemption. This special 1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:18.840 exemption the first in PGA twour history that I know 1:02:18.920 --> 1:02:21.560 of and anyone else I've talked to uh, and he 1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:24.560 got a spot in final stage and in the grand 1:02:24.640 --> 1:02:26.560 scheme of things. I think you said it perfectly on 1:02:26.720 --> 1:02:29.880 in your tweet, like, is a special exemption for Alex 1:02:29.920 --> 1:02:32.760 Fitzpatrick that big a deal in the golf world. No, 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:35.080 but does it set a precedent that the PGA Tour 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:38.240 is bending its rules and and not having this hard 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:42.400 line in the sand? Um, it is becoming more and 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:48.080 more uh, that players have leverage and they've never had 1:02:48.160 --> 1:02:52.680 leverage before. Um My, my opinion is had this happened 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:56.000 two and a half years ago, pre live the pg 1:02:56.120 --> 1:03:00.000 twour would have told them to go pound sand and Uh, 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:03.520 this year they made some sort of deal. It seems 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:05.560 that both have an n d A because the tour 1:03:05.600 --> 1:03:09.240 won't say anything and Alex can't say anything. Um. And 1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:11.360 it seems he has a valid point about the rankings, 1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:16.640 but it's just, UM, it seems that you know, we're 1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:20.200 getting closer and closer to hand picking the players that 1:03:20.240 --> 1:03:22.640 are out on the BG Tour. I mean that's really 1:03:22.640 --> 1:03:24.600 been happening in sports in general. I mean you look 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:28.120 at the NBA, the players have never had more power. 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:30.680 They basically create their own teams, and they broke with 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:34.360 their own trades and they formed these super teams. Um. 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:36.200 You see it in college sports now with the n 1:03:36.200 --> 1:03:39.600 I L deals. Um, the power is flowing back to 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:43.840 the players. Um. And so maybe golf with its you know, 1:03:43.880 --> 1:03:48.680 it's old traditions. Was it was time, But it is 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:52.479 interesting and it does reveal the specter of Live because 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:55.160 you know, if it Alex, while Matthew Fitzpatrick has been 1:03:55.160 --> 1:03:57.960 honest that he got an offer from Live, whether that 1:03:58.000 --> 1:04:01.560 was before after the US Open, Alex Lex just Alex 1:04:01.600 --> 1:04:04.560 has been too. He said he turned down two million dollars. Yeah, 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:05.840 well there you go. I mean this is a kid 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:08.280 who he's a walker cup. He's a good player, but 1:04:08.640 --> 1:04:12.160 he's not a marquee player. But the Chase and Brooks 1:04:12.240 --> 1:04:14.400 Keptica playbook. You know, it's kind of like you get 1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:16.760 the little brother on tour and then it becomes that 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:21.040 much more attractive for the older brother who's got the credentials. So, um, 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:23.480 you know, Alex has value to Live because of his 1:04:23.520 --> 1:04:25.919 brother and because maybe he'll blossom into a player. Who knows. 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:32.160 But so it it does reveal some larger truths and um, 1:04:32.200 --> 1:04:37.160 it's another interesting footnote in how things are changing professional golf. 1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:41.840 What are your thoughts, Michael, Uh, if the tour loses 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:47.360 its way, that it's not completely doing things by the book, Uh, 1:04:47.480 --> 1:04:49.840 then it's not the pH Tour that that well we 1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:53.200 know one respect. Uh So I think this is, you know, 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:58.400 potentially a very serious moment in golf. Ryan and I 1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:00.840 we're talking about this the other day. Part of me 1:05:00.880 --> 1:05:02.720 for not remember the young man's name. But a fourtune 1:05:02.760 --> 1:05:06.080 year old kid from China played in the Masters and 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:10.400 they game running you know, the gentleman's same gun Yang 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:14.880 and uh uh and he got a two stroke penalty. 1:05:14.920 --> 1:05:16.680 The whole world wanted this kid to make the cut, 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:19.280 but he got three bad times and they gave him 1:05:19.280 --> 1:05:21.520 two shot penalty. What are they gonna do not give him? 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:24.400 I mean they have nobody ever gets add times and 1:05:24.400 --> 1:05:26.640 nobody ever gets to penalized for it. But this kid 1:05:26.680 --> 1:05:28.560 did what was the what was the what were the 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:31.800 Master's officials gonna do ignore their own rules? We clocked 1:05:31.840 --> 1:05:34.360 him for three bad times. It's in the rule book. 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:35.680 We're gonna give it to him. So, I mean, that 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:40.080 really is golf, you know, equal opportunity under the law. 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:43.280 So if you get away from that, you get away 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:45.960 from a golf really is all about what what serious 1:05:46.000 --> 1:05:48.560 tournament golf is all about. This is also of a 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:51.640 piece you know Bubba Watson at public that he's um, 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:55.320 you know, to our tour events have been low key 1:05:55.360 --> 1:05:57.680 paying appearance fees for a long time. To the players, 1:05:57.680 --> 1:06:02.040 they're just not called that. It's like the corporate sponsor 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:04.040 wants you to come speak at a cocktail party, will 1:06:04.040 --> 1:06:06.880 pay you three hundred thousand or five thousand dollars for 1:06:06.960 --> 1:06:08.920 half an hour of your time. I mean, it's essentially 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:11.919 an appearance fee. We we It's been known in the game, 1:06:12.000 --> 1:06:13.960 but Bubba kind of blew the lid off of it. 1:06:14.120 --> 1:06:16.480 And I wrote something about it in my mail bag 1:06:16.560 --> 1:06:18.160 last week, and then I've had two people reach out 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.840 to me because I had heard I had three dollars 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:22.240 a few times as a number. I put that in 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:24.479 my column and some guy wrote to me and said, 1:06:24.520 --> 1:06:28.360 you're he clearly was, you know, looking at his bio 1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:30.760 and and talking to him. He knows his stuff. He 1:06:31.040 --> 1:06:32.280 was like one of those guys was in the room. 1:06:32.280 --> 1:06:34.440 He said, you gotta add a zero to that. He's like, 1:06:34.440 --> 1:06:37.840 I know, he's like he's like, I know one superstar 1:06:37.880 --> 1:06:39.720 asked for four million dollars, So do you wanted something 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:44.560 during the week, he said. Another Hall of Famer Icon 1:06:45.000 --> 1:06:49.000 wanted eight million dollars for his foundation. Um. Now whether 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:52.160 these were paid is less clear, but um this this 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:53.760 is a thing in golf. It always has But we 1:06:53.760 --> 1:06:55.760 know that they pay appearance fees around the world. So 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:58.760 the tour has always tried to put itself above it, 1:06:58.800 --> 1:07:01.240 but it has In reality, they've been doing the same thing. 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:05.520 He here's the here's the way. I think that it's 1:07:05.560 --> 1:07:08.320 different in those standpoints, and yes, I agree, but Q 1:07:08.560 --> 1:07:13.520 School has always been the place where tour pros don't 1:07:13.560 --> 1:07:19.040 have any power and and the tour rightfully so uh 1:07:19.240 --> 1:07:22.480 has had a no like no excuses. Talked to a 1:07:22.520 --> 1:07:25.200 pro whose mother in law had a stroke and passed 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:27.400 away a week before Q School. He asked for a 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:31.920 different site. They said no. A guy this year, uh, 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:34.200 you know, missed the deadline for final stage by a 1:07:34.240 --> 1:07:37.200 couple of hours. They said no. And I understand it 1:07:37.240 --> 1:07:39.960 because then you opened Pandora's boxes. Alan Shipnik has a 1:07:39.960 --> 1:07:42.800 bomb ankle and he wants to get moved. And Michael 1:07:42.800 --> 1:07:45.520 Bamberger has a sore shoulder and his mom is in 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:48.440 the hospital. You open yourself up to endless stuff. Q 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:50.720 school has always been the place that I was on 1:07:50.920 --> 1:07:54.360 with the Pulson's today. Q School has always been the 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:56.600 most you know, those guys have a problem with PG 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:59.320 two or you as a problem and as a as 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:02.800 a concept in general. Now with Live, I understand it. 1:08:02.920 --> 1:08:04.480 You know you want to keep your young players. But 1:08:05.080 --> 1:08:08.000 Q School has always been the most democratic part of golf. 1:08:08.160 --> 1:08:10.920 Right there is no anything you tee it up. Norman 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:15.320 Young was the best college player, and that in almost 1:08:15.360 --> 1:08:18.920 like he wasn't the next Tiger Woods. And he lost 1:08:19.120 --> 1:08:21.840 and he didn't get through and that's okay, that's how 1:08:21.880 --> 1:08:26.600 golf works. And uh and and I think that is 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:29.320 the leap that we've made that Q School. Yes, those 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:31.519 back deal door deals have been made, but Q school 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:34.640 has always been the place where nothing happens. There is 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:38.600 no The tour never cared about those players enough to 1:08:38.680 --> 1:08:42.120 make any deals. There was no deals. It's just like, yeah, 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:43.960 go get through first stage. Dude, I don't know what 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:47.400 to tell you. And now it's it's not and and 1:08:47.439 --> 1:08:50.960 we are sliding quickly down a hill that is going 1:08:51.000 --> 1:08:53.160 to be a lot of handshake deals and lawyers and 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:55.519 all those kind of things. It's just it's it's not 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:58.080 a great place. But if the tour is not really 1:08:58.120 --> 1:09:01.920 careful here, they they will ld the goose because all 1:09:01.960 --> 1:09:05.120 of corporate America is so way way into golf for 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:07.559 a lot of reasons, in one of which is, you know, 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:11.639 these fine young men are such you know, principles and show. 1:09:12.320 --> 1:09:15.000 It doesn't mean to be spoken, it's just said. Uh, 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:19.320 it's a merit based system. Uh. The rule book does 1:09:19.400 --> 1:09:24.040 whatever can to eliminate ambiguity. To your point, Ryan, you know, 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:27.599 there are some areas like metal exemptions and major medical 1:09:27.640 --> 1:09:30.560 extensions where they've got to read tea leaves and it 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:32.720 gets very difficult for the tour and there's always a 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:35.680 lot of fussing about that. But this sort of and 1:09:35.800 --> 1:09:38.000 even Bubba getting paid to go to a cocktail party, 1:09:38.000 --> 1:09:41.080 and whether it's three million or three thousand, yeah, it's 1:09:41.080 --> 1:09:43.519 it's shady and it's in the gray area, but it 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:47.799 doesn't really affect two central things here is what actually 1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:51.240 happens in the tournament. Are the are the scorecards directly accurate? 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:52.840 And how do you get into the tournament in the 1:09:52.880 --> 1:09:56.160 first place? That those two things are the underpinning of 1:09:56.160 --> 1:09:58.040 what makes the pH A Tour the pH A Tour. 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:02.000 That's why it matters. Access has never been more important. 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:05.320 And when you start cluttering that up with agendas and 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:09.400 handshake deals, it uh, it gets very messy, very quickly. 1:10:09.439 --> 1:10:11.240 So I would encourage any of the listeners if you 1:10:11.240 --> 1:10:14.599 haven't seen Ryan's excellent story, go to um fire Collective 1:10:14.640 --> 1:10:17.960 dot com check that out. We also we will make 1:10:18.000 --> 1:10:22.240 sure that Andy Ogletree's earlier Fire Drill podcast is prominent 1:10:22.520 --> 1:10:24.000 so you can find that as well, because it is 1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:26.439 a great It's a great background on on how the 1:10:26.439 --> 1:10:29.320 professional game is changing, and actually a really interesting kid 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:33.320 who has become an unlikely protagonist in this whole golf season. 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:37.439 So um, we covered a lot of ground on this podcast. UM. 1:10:37.479 --> 1:10:39.080 I want to thank all the listeners from making it 1:10:39.160 --> 1:10:41.120 this far. Do you guys have any final thoughts before 1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:43.960 we go? Well, I get to do a podcast with 1:10:44.000 --> 1:10:47.280 Michael Bamberger his pajamas, That's my final thought. In in 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:49.840 the in the group thread, Ryan was gonna call he 1:10:49.880 --> 1:10:51.960 was gonna call it this his this was his Willis 1:10:52.040 --> 1:10:54.840 Reed game or his his Jordan Flew game, because he's 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:58.200 clearly under the weather, but he powered through um an 1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:00.640 hour and fifteen minutes of po ding, So it's a 1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:06.600 heroic effort. You've entered, entered the animals. Articles will be 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:11.719 written about this, but they might be by me anyway. 1:11:12.560 --> 1:11:16.080 I might my own own article about my own plant heroism. 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:19.719 All right, Well, if you've enjoyed this podcast against all odds, 1:11:19.920 --> 1:11:22.920 we have another podcast offering in our network that's gonna 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:27.600 drop here in two days. Michael Bamberger, myself, Jeff Ogilvie. 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:30.800 It's called Nita Fourth. As the title might hint, um, 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:34.200 we bring on a mystery guest every week. One of 1:11:34.240 --> 1:11:36.360 the host is responsible for that. The other two don't 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:38.360 know who's coming on, and so at least to some 1:11:38.520 --> 1:11:43.720 very freewheeling, fund spontaneous conversations, we have a really interesting 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:48.920 mix of of guests, some hardcore golf people, some folks 1:11:48.960 --> 1:11:51.439 who are golf adjacent but just really love the game 1:11:51.479 --> 1:11:55.600 and have a different perspective. So that will be that 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:58.000 will be coming to your ear soon, and we hope 1:11:58.040 --> 1:11:59.920 you'll check it out because Michael and I have had 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:04.880 great time in recording these conversations, as has Jeff Um. 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:06.840 But uh, all right, I can. I can sense the 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:09.000 fatigue for my co host, so we're gonna go. This 1:12:09.040 --> 1:12:12.600 is This has been another Fire Drill podcast. Thank you 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:16.519 for listening. We'll do it again. They're usually Sunday evenings 1:12:16.560 --> 1:12:19.240 because there's some some travel issues. We this one's going 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.880 up Monday afternoon, but we are committed to doing this 1:12:21.960 --> 1:12:25.080 every week, so thank you for listening. At the end, 1:12:25.760 --> 1:12:30.840 that Big played to win, made a fortune with my 1:12:30.920 --> 1:12:35.120 ship game. I ran the table and never thought I 1:12:35.200 --> 1:12:38.479 could fall them, and winter time hit me like a 1:12:38.600 --> 1:12:45.280 cannon ball. And now I can't shake this losing the street. 1:12:46.120 --> 1:12:51.280 Every road I take is a dead end street. I 1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:56.920 got thoughts in my head. Can't get John not think 1:12:57.160 --> 1:13:01.920 what I'm thinking about. Go sit my head, can't get 1:13:02.000 --> 1:13:06.200 him out trying not to think what I'm thinking about.