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Speaker 1: three of us talking golf. I got can't get j nothing.

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Speaker 1: What I'm thinking about, can't get well, I'm thinking about guys.

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Speaker 1: Um you know this. This has been a messy season

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Speaker 1: in professional golf. We can all agree with that. But

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Speaker 1: yesterday this is a list of people who won big

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Speaker 1: time golf tournament. Tony fine Now, Tommy Fleetwood, Padrick Harrington,

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Speaker 1: I mean we all know that. And Roe he should CoA,

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Speaker 1: mean that he's only thirty one years old, like the

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Speaker 1: guy feels like he's had three careers already. Um, we don't.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to celebrate every victory so much as

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Speaker 1: just acknowledged that it's nice when good things happen to

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Speaker 1: good people. I mean, especially Tommy Fleetwood has been a

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Speaker 1: Fee now has now reached the magical threshold of five victories.

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Speaker 1: As when we talked about last week, Russell Henley, you

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Speaker 1: all kinds of like juiciness that will get to as well,

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Speaker 1: But let's start like on the golf course for a change,

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Speaker 1: will say if I had to rank them in most important,

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Speaker 1: I would put Nellie Korda as first because she's just

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Speaker 1: so important to the women's game, right, Like she's a

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Speaker 1: I I would I would agree with that, Um, but

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Speaker 1: to hear what you guys about Roe Chicawa, the dude.

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Speaker 1: I mean, every time he wins, and it has been

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Speaker 1: Tiger said, hey, Kenny, you better give me something right now.

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Speaker 1: Lee Trevino just like had to look inside himself to

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Speaker 1: figure out what he needed to do. And of course

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Speaker 1: that's why, that's why Lee Trevino was held in such

428
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Speaker 1: awe by generations of players who came his generation and

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Speaker 1: generations that came after him. Real quick, real quick about

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Speaker 1: the Houston Open, because this is Tyson Alexander, son of

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Speaker 1: famous Florida coach Buddy Alexander. Uh finished second, and I

432
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Speaker 1: I tweet this often, but like no one saw Tyson

433
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Speaker 1: Alexander's results and didn't think it he should quit. Three years,

434
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Speaker 1: he took him to uh seven years to get the

435
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: Corn Ferry Tour. In three years, he missed at first

436
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: stage by combined thirty nine strokes. He missed by twelve,

437
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: he missed by fifteen, and he missed by twelve again

438
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 1: like he was not He would never talking about people

439
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: who are not supposed to get here. Uh. I mean

440
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: eleven years into his pro career, first time on tour

441
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: and four events into his his BJ Tour career, finished

442
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Speaker 1: the second and I mean basically as his card locked

443
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Speaker 1: up for next year. It's ridiculous. Uh, no way he

444
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Speaker 1: should be here. And Tyson is a good dude that

445
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: I've talked with you know some but ridiculous. I mean,

446
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Speaker 1: the guy missed a billion times at first stage and

447
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: somehow is now you know, kept his card. It's ridiculous.

448
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Speaker 1: Do you remember his mother, Joan? Of course? Yeah. For

449
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: those who are wondering where Michael's mind is, Joan Alexander

450
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: was a media official for the PGA tour, A very

451
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: nice person. But is that is that did she marry

452
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Speaker 1: into the family or is that his actual mother. I've

453
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Speaker 1: never been clear on that. I can't I can't say

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Speaker 1: I got No, it's not that I can't say. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Good Lord Mike class An NBA with

456
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Speaker 1: Joan Alexander, we don't know about it. Yeah, well, we'll

457
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Speaker 1: tide you this up after the pod and make a

458
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Speaker 1: few phone calls. But okay, one second, one second, but

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Speaker 1: I think this is I was. You'll love this ran

460
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: because when I was on the Latino Americans who Are

461
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Speaker 1: in early two thousand eighteen doing that big story for

462
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: Golf magazine, he was he was playing the tour and

463
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: we talked and I found him very engaging. But even

464
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Speaker 1: then he was kind of pondering his his future. You know,

465
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Speaker 1: we were we were like in this in this crazy journey,

466
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: turns out to get from Jamaica to Costa Rica is

467
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Speaker 1: almost impossible. And that that was we're all on this

468
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: this flight. A lot of people flew um back into

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Speaker 1: the US. And then when you went went north to

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Speaker 1: go south, and one guy went through Toronto to save money,

471
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Speaker 1: Like if you look at a map to go from

472
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Speaker 1: Jamaica to Toronto to go to Rica's absolute insanity. But

473
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Speaker 1: he saved like three so he did it. And anyway,

474
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Speaker 1: but even Tyson back then was like I don't know, man,

475
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Speaker 1: like I have a question what I'm even doing here.

476
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Speaker 1: And it was dark times. And so now four years later,

477
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Speaker 1: as you said, he's he's now a legit PGA tour player.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome to see and and everybody knows that Tyson's

479
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: paternal grandfather was a drinking buddy of and golf partner of. Yes,

480
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: holy sh it, I mean, this is why I'm on

481
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: this spot. Is so crazy that like what who, Like

482
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 1: only Michael Bamberger and Allen ship Nick would just come

483
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: in and we're like, oh, I hung out with him

484
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Speaker 1: at the altin American Tour and then his ample was

485
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: drinking buddies with Arnold Palmer. I was just like, I

486
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Speaker 1: don't know, man, I have some Q School stats. I

487
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: always feel so dumb on this podcast. Don't even go there.

488
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: Just wait, I'm just fine. I'm hearing from people who

489
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: aren't buying this bullshit. So don't even just like, I

490
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: put up some Q School stats and you tie it

491
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Speaker 1: back to Arnold Palmer, Like what we would even be

492
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Speaker 1: want about Tyson Alexander if you hadn't brought him up? Ryan?

493
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Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, I've done my I've done my Jenna.

494
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Speaker 1: But we also need to talk about the fact that

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Speaker 1: Michael Michael Bamberger for those not watching on YouTube, Okay,

496
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Speaker 1: Michael Bamberger has a perfectly pressed white dress shirt on

497
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Speaker 1: a very nice card again probably from I'm gonna guess

498
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Speaker 1: Ralph Lauren or something you know. And and and before

499
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Speaker 1: the pots started he got off and he has p

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Speaker 1: J pants on. Is like, I mean, it's a Ryan.

501
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: I love his business on top party on the bottom.

502
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: Everybody knows this. I love it. I mean people watching

503
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Speaker 1: on YouTube, but like, oh my god, he has a

504
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Speaker 1: he has a h he has a nice look at him.

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00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: You get a sweater and a dress shirt on. Man,

506
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: just got out of bed a couple hour minutes ago

507
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: before we started this. Indeed, I would never go down

508
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: this road, and I'm not going on this road, but

509
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: I would never buy rock that Ryan apologized. But you

510
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: know that Michael has some deep affinity for the hard

511
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: collar polos, to the point that if you see them

512
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Speaker 1: at some Florida pro shop, he'll like clean the whole

513
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: joint out. He has like a lifetime supply. Tell us

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Speaker 1: that your tell us about this, Michael, you have a

515
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: history with these shirts. Well, no, no, we're not going

516
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: to do a whole thing on that, but will appreciate this.

517
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: I once, many years ago, had I was playing golf

518
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Speaker 1: at Cypress Point Club and I was I was playing

519
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: with the gentleman named Chuck Winston. Um. It was just

520
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: a great gim and you had to wear a coat

521
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: and tie at lunch at Cypress Point in those days.

522
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: And he had a hard collar golf shirt on that

523
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Speaker 1: would accommodate the tie so he wouldn't have to change

524
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Speaker 1: for lunch to the first two. And I think that's

525
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Speaker 1: maybe where my thing started. Like this really actually makes

526
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Speaker 1: sense now, of course, nobody works to tie a lunch anymore,

527
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: but it's a whole thing. Yeah, that's funny. Um, alright,

528
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: one one last winner. Let's just do a little a

529
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Speaker 1: little chit chat about Padrick Harrington, who was one of

530
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: the real originals in the game and had a terrific

531
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: year on the Senior tour. UM. I absolutely love Padrick.

532
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: He's so much fun. And one story that makes me

533
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Speaker 1: laugh is if you remember what he won. He won

534
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Speaker 1: the British Open and he won the PG Championship, So

535
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Speaker 1: he was going into Augusta trying to win three majors

536
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Speaker 1: in a row. And I got to sit down interview

537
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Speaker 1: with him, uh maybe six weeks ahead of the Masters,

538
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Speaker 1: to do a big Master's preview story. And I've done

539
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: all these stats, and I showed up with a big

540
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Speaker 1: like yellow legal pad and I really wanted to like

541
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Speaker 1: talk through his how he's gonna attack Augusta. And you know,

542
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: I had stat upon stat and he looked at my

543
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: notebook and he said, put that away. I said, what

544
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: do you mean. He said, I don't want to see that.

545
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: I get that out of here. Like he was like,

546
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: really like somewhat exercise. I said why, I said, It's

547
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: just a bunch of stats. He's like, I know you're

548
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: gonna ask me all these questions about how I've played

549
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: this hole and this shot. He said, I don't want

550
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: to be standing out there during the Masters thinking about, oh,

551
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: the fourteenth hole is where I have my highest stroke average,

552
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: and you're the one who put that thought in my head.

553
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, banish that notebook. I was like, okay, Pudrick,

554
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: but like this is I had a whole thing here,

555
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be mean.

556
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: He's like, that's how fragile I am. I cannot be

557
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: standing over a shot and I guess national thinking about

558
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: a statu you put in my head six weeks earlier.

559
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: And that amazed me. But I thought it was like

560
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: so much insight into the guy. And we had a

561
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: very cordial conversation after that. But I just had totally

562
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: had to wing it because my months of preparation went

563
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: out the window because he's so He's like a cat

564
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: on a hot tin roof. Absolutely one of the funniest,

565
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: smartest people in golf. And we know, you know it's

566
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: funny Alan when we and and Ryan when we said,

567
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: when we come up with lists of people who would

568
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: be good TV commentators when we often say Phil of

569
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: course and Calumn Montgomery of course, but Patrick would be

570
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: the best of them all. I've never really had that

571
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: thought before, but he would be absolutely fantastic. I think

572
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: this is a different conversation. I mean, he just fascinates me.

573
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Speaker 1: And I said, what you've been working on, you know,

574
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: in your golfwak? I know you're always working on something.

575
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Speaker 1: He's like, I've been thinking about the position of my tongue.

576
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: Like I was like, like it was like a record scratch,

577
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: like he said. He said, yeah, because where are you

578
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: position your tongue affects your jaw, and if your jaw

579
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: can affect your entire spine, He's like, so I was,

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00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, I've been experimenting hitting shots with my tongue

581
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: in different positions and and with different um levels of

582
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: force against my jawline. And I was like, man, that's

583
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: some next level stuff there. But he was dead serious

584
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: along those lines. When you when you look at stop

585
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: action photographs of like even Ernie els Uh, when you

586
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: see him at impact, speaking of their jaw, their veins

587
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: are always sticking out of their neck and they're all

588
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: clenched and they're all tight and it's it's just such

589
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: a reminder of what an athletic act hitting a golf

590
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: ball is. Even if the overall picture is smooth and relaxed,

591
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: that moment an impact takes. So I think he's probably

592
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: it's if I need another thing to screw up my golf.

593
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: I got enough, yeah, Michael. But Michael will have his

594
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: tongue out when we're playing next. Alright, So UM a

595
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: victory that was that was overlooked by many golf fans

596
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: but has meaning to us. What was Andy Ogletree winning

597
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: in Egypt um as part of the International Series on

598
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour. And Andy Ogletree has accidentally become a

599
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: very important person in the world of golf. You know,

600
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: he played one live event in London finished I believe

601
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: dead last UM by a lot, but that he if

602
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: If you're talking about this antitrust lawsuit between the PGA

603
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: Tour and Live Golf, which could blow up the entire

604
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: landscape but professional golf, Andy ogletree experience is going to

605
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: be exhibit A because he was basically suspended by the

606
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: tour and this is a guy who had no status,

607
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: had nowhere to play um more or less, and that's

608
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: why he He he lunged at the first opportunity that

609
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: was available to him, which was live golf and UM.

610
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: And now he's you know, he's he's been he's been

611
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: banished by the tour. Now he wasn't suspended for life,

612
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: it's basically till the end of this year. And his agent,

613
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: Mac Barnhart, who's appeared on this podcast a few times,

614
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: feels like they're going to be in position to get

615
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: get Andy back on the PGA Tour um and if

616
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: not that there, they will have a very strong case

617
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: that the tour is coluding against him because he was

618
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: not a PGA Tour member. He was not a lifetime

619
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: member like a Dustin or Philmicholson. This this this is just

620
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: a young player desperate for a place to play. So, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on on ogle Trees victory and

622
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: what it means? Yeah, I mean huge, huge to him.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's his first professional victory. He's just I

624
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: mean the podcast, UM, you know, I I encourage a

625
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: lot of people to go back. Uh, you know, I

626
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: tweeted about him all week. He he led from the

627
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: second day on UM and I mean he shot twenty

628
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: three under and I mean stared down, burned. Uh, I

629
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: mean the Winsburger Wiseburger made an eagle on ten, hold

630
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: out for ten, like got it within two and Andy

631
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: just played well. Um but I tweeted about it a weekend.

632
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: It really felt like Andy was at the like I mean,

633
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: he was at a point of I'm not sure you

634
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: know how many more years he can go on, even

635
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: as the US Amateur champion. Just hasn't played well and uh,

636
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, finally get over some injuries. But I just

637
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: encouraged people to go back and listen to that podcast.

638
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: It's easy from the outside to say he made a

639
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: stupid decision to go to Live and get suspended and

640
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: all those kind of things, and it's just not that simple.

641
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: It's complicated, and he didn't have a place to play,

642
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: and he was out of money and all the things

643
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: that a lot of pro is go through. And no

644
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: matter how he felt about Live, and I mean, he

645
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: seems to be supportive of it, which is understandable. He

646
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: went there, but a lot of players in his position

647
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: would have taken the one start even and he was

648
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: hurt and not playing well at the time, obvious by

649
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: his score. Um, but I think it's it's huge in

650
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: the pro golf landscape. As you said, Alan, that that

651
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour is a viable option. Today starts UH

652
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: Asian the first Asian Tour Q school in the United States. Um,

653
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: it's only going to grow from here if if Live

654
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: continues to grow. Asian Tour is a huge part of it.

655
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: The guy one seventy dollars, it's almost double what you're

656
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: going to win on the corn Ferry Tour UH for

657
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: an event. It's a huge part of this story in

658
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: pro golf, and I think Andy kind of just proved

659
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: that it's a viable way to do it going forward

660
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: through Live Golf. You're gonna be able to play your

661
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: way on to Live through the Asian Tour. It may

662
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: only be a handful of spots, but um, it's an

663
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: actual road to a big time golf tour where we

664
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: know the persons are huge and so yeah, we've talked

665
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: about this previously. We don't have to go really deep again,

666
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: but um, there's it's quite likely the Asian Tours is

667
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: gonna surpass the European Tour and it's importance in the

668
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: scheme of of global golf, and especially if you're a

669
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: young player, and a young American. Ryan's whole career has

670
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: been built on on highlighting how cutthroat it is to

671
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: try and make it from Canada or Latin America to

672
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: the corn ferry to to Monday, to try and just

673
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: get on the PGA Tour where it's so hard to

674
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: keep your card, and if Asia Asia is turning out

675
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: to be a very viable option, and for a young American,

676
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: the United States Amateur champion, to go over there and

677
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: and highlight that for his other colleagues, it's I think

678
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: that's powerful and and quick thought about that on UM.

679
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people would appreciate the

680
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: fact that live is of all being very quickly here.

681
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: And and one of the things that I think it's

682
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: been a very legitimate criticism is that it's an invitation

683
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: only series of of of tournaments. And of course where

684
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: you're establishing here, where you're where you're describing here, is

685
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: that that's not the case. So you can play your

686
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: way onto the Lift Tour via the Asian Tour, which

687
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's very different how it's done on the

688
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: PGA Tour, but still proves that there there there is

689
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: a merit path there's a lot of different there's a

690
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: lot of different ways to define merit, but there is

691
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: one very concrete, numbers only path via Asian Tour success

692
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: that will get you on the Lift Tour. Is that.

693
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean it may only be three spots, it may

694
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: only be one spot week to week. You know, it

695
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: fluctuated as as this season went on. But um, you

696
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: know there's there's definitely going to be a path, and UM,

697
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: you know that that is significant. It's also important from

698
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: the World Rankings because that's one of the criteria that

699
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: the World Rankings has set out, is that you need

700
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: to be able to essentially play your way onto the

701
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: tour if you want if you want world ranking points.

702
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: So um that you know live Is is trying to

703
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: check those boxes. I mean they they're trying to barge

704
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: their way in. Um when it comes to ranking points.

705
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: I think they're realizing that it's not going to be

706
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: that easy and so they're going to have to abide

707
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: by some of the pre established criteria and that that's

708
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: an important one. Is there has to be you know,

709
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: there's there's a you're gonna love this Ryan. There's there's

710
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: strong conversation about adding a Monday que Um however, yeah,

711
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: so um, you know again, even if it's only one spot,

712
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: it's like that could change your career. So um so yeah,

713
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: as you're you're right, Michael Live is adapting to the realities.

714
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: They try to do it their way. Nothing wrong with that.

715
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: I think they've realized that Okay, it's um, it's gonna

716
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: be more complex and they're gonna have to make some

717
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: tweaks and that that's ongoing. So uh, if Greg Norman

718
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: is listening, Um, I think I tweeted out that I'll

719
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: take twenty million, uh to I'm covered the Monday qualifiers,

720
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: but I talked to my non existing agent and he said,

721
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: fifteen seems more reasonable. Soft million. Greg, if if you're listening,

722
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: probably gonna accept ten. If we're being a Ryan, the

723
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: agents supposed to ask for more than what the So

724
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't know something about about Aiogle Tree. Of course,

725
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: it takes enormous talent to make it in golf. But

726
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: I think just the fact that he won this tour

727
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: me here's a kid from smalltown, Mississippi's father owned to

728
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: Piggley Wiggly there and now he's playing in Egypt, and

729
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: it just is another demonstration of you have got to

730
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: have the grit gene to make it in golf. Um

731
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: and uh. And it's neat to see. And it's a

732
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: tremendous testimony to him. I remember when, of course we

733
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: all remember if we followed golf closely winning one the

734
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: U s Am and then and then many of us

735
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: would remember how well he played when Tiger was the

736
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: defending Master's champion in that was the postponed Masters in November,

737
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: when Dustin Johnson won and he played beautifully the Thursday

738
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Friday rounds in the presence of Tiger Woods. Not easy

739
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: to do. And then he fell off the earth, and

740
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: it would be easy to say, like we'll never hear

741
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: from this kid again. And uh. And I watched it,

742
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: just a brief clip of him yesterday, was like I

743
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: didn't even I almost literally would not even recognize him. Uh.

744
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: But it's a great testimony to to what's deep inside

745
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: him without even really knowing. Just the fact that you

746
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: saw his name in the agate listing of a tournament

747
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: in Egypt and that he won is phenomenal. And I

748
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: always think that top top amateurs like that. Um. You know,

749
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: I see a lot of them in many Tour events.

750
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: I think it's just so hard mentally guys to get

751
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: back right. Like I mean, Andy was the US Open champion,

752
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, played at Georgia Tech, had uh, you know,

753
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: exemptions into PGA Tour events, and and not that long

754
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: after that, you know whatever, two years he is playing

755
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: the g Pro. Listen, the g Pro is a fine

756
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: mini tour, but it is miles and oceans and countries

757
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: away from PGA Tour events, and mentally, it's just got

758
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: to be so hard. The guy had, you know, exemptions,

759
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: and I'm sure sponsors and those kind of things, and

760
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: golf people forget quickly, and sponsors forget and people don't

761
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: give a shit about you anymore when you start to

762
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: play poorly. And Andy, you know, and he had points

763
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: that he said about about live and and the PGA Tour.

764
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: But Andy went wherever he could play. I saw him

765
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: at the Colorado Open, played on the Golden State Tour,

766
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: played on the g Pro Tour, played where he could play. Uh,

767
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: and now it's back. It's just it's a I love

768
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: the fight part of it because uh, he was at

769
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: the top of the world literally and uh and fell

770
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: too near the bottom. Yeah, I mean, and look at

771
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: look at these players were talking about. You know, Nell

772
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: Corda obviously tremendously gifted, but blood clot in her arm.

773
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: Her sister just heard her back and is out, Um

774
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: like there's adversity there. Um. Tommy Fleetwood, I've been kicked

775
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: around the last three years. He comes back and wins

776
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: in Africa of all places. You know, Um, we talked

777
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: talked about fee now, I mean I like that the

778
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: grit gene, Michael, it's it's it's a real thing. And

779
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, even Padrick like he was, he was a

780
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: good European tour player, and he knew he had more

781
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: inside of him, and he dedicate himself to blown up

782
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: his entire golf swing in his game because he felt

783
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: like there was another level there for him. And it

784
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: was a gamble, right, I mean he this is a

785
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: guy who famously took like an accounting degree because he

786
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: wasn't sure he could make it as a as a

787
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: touring pro. But he knew he knew what he had

788
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: inside of him, and of course it paid off, winning majors,

789
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: can be Hall of Famer, and now he's's having a

790
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: great final act on the on the senior tour. So

791
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked so much about talent, that's the

792
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: word that gets thrown around so oh much. But grit

793
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: is probably the delineator, and at that at the professional

794
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: golf and uh, I've said this a million times, but

795
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: the greatest grinder I've ever seen in golf there the

796
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 1: two guy caddy for named Billy Britten, who's um uh,

797
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: who played in the eighties. But the single greatest grinder

798
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: in the history of golf is Tiger Woods. There's no

799
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: question about him. I thought so hard for every stroke.

800
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's true. Yeah, Well, this would be

801
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: a great place to end the podcast, but we have

802
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: there's some other things we should talk about because everyone's

803
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: talking about them, and we were just talking about Live Golf,

804
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: and the big news out of Live this week is

805
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: is Pat Prez's war on Phil Mickelson. You know he Um,

806
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: he had some very spicy comments, and of course people

807
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: have been asking me about them, so I will say this. Um.

808
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: I knew there was history there, and in the writing

809
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: of the philm book, I went to Perez and I said,

810
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: I've I've heard this part the rumor from a lot

811
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: of people. Um, And he didn't want to talk about

812
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: it and then when he when he when he signed

813
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: up with Live I went back to him. I was like,

814
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you're now in a very closer environment.

815
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: And Phil, I mean, come on, He's like, I'm not

816
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: going to talk about it. And UM, in this very

817
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: litigious moment in in golf, let me choose my words carefully,

818
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: I will just say that it involves Mrs Perez. Phil

819
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: did something that that deeply offended her and Pat and um,

820
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: you know it's Phil did some of your Phil is

821
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: alleged to have done correct well, according to Pat, you know,

822
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: Phil apologized for it and um, and you know, so yes,

823
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: he He's alleged to have just something. He's alleged to

824
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: have apologized for it. Um. This is an open secret

825
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: in the world of golf. Many people know the details. Um,

826
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: some claim to have seen evidence of whatever happened. UM.

827
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: So I think we we'll leave it vague for the

828
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: listeners to try and connect. Not Live Golf in some

829
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: aspects has become like the w w E. It's like

830
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: they have I mean, like the w w E. If

831
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: you said, hey, two of our best players are name

832
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: players would have some sort of like fight like that

833
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: it's great. That's great. I mean, like they are kind

834
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: of like, it's so wild what is going on on

835
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: the live tour, Like it's just crazy. I mean, it's insane,

836
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: and it's obviously been bubbling up inside of Perez for

837
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: a while. It's funny that he would make it public,

838
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: and by making it public but not adding any real details,

839
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: of course, they're just gonna touch off all kinds of

840
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: rampant speculation and um, and someone's gonna ask him about

841
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: it again, So ione's gonna ask Phil about it, Like,

842
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, the I would say it was not masterful

843
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: public relations, Like if you want to get off his jesse,

844
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: you should have just put it all out there. And

845
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: now this is gonna have multiple news cycles. But you're right, Ryan,

846
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the personalities on that tour are so fascinating.

847
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: And man, what I love to be in the room

848
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: when when Pat and uh Phil get together at the

849
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: first event next year. You know, obviously they avoid each

850
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: other socially, it seems, uh, but man, would I love

851
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: to be at the first live event when when those

852
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: two are in the room together, especially as you said,

853
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: it's eventually all the details are eventually going to come out.

854
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: He's open a cannon worms. Somebody's gonna put it out there,

855
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: as you know better than anyone, Like the story. I

856
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: heard the story way before I started with fire Pit, Like,

857
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's relatively known, and so it's like it's

858
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 1: gonna come out and then they're gonna have to meet

859
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: and there's only fifty four players. It's not like there's

860
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: wave different waves or whatever. They're going to see each

861
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always described the pg Tour as high

862
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: school with money. You know, it's this very insular world.

863
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: It's very gossipy and live. It's times at times three

864
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: because it's a third of the size, so it's like

865
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: everything's more intense. It's a small group of people and

866
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: they're they're really bound together their their fortunes and their livelihoods.

867
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: You know, in a way on on the PGA Tour,

868
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: it was it was every man himself. Live is different.

869
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: It's an interconnected network of of golfers who need each other,

870
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: not only through this team element, but you know, they

871
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: know that the future of this thing is is not set.

872
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: Like you know, the Crown Print. If he could just

873
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: wake up tomorrow and be like this is a bad

874
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: idea and um, and pull the plug, right, I mean

875
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: that that's an actual possibility. Um, it's not. It's not

876
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: a self subtaining, sustaining entity like the PGA tour. So

877
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: like these guys are bound together, their professional fortunes are

878
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: are linked, and so it makes it all that much

879
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: more intense, and so any little, any little feuding like

880
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: this takes on more important. So yeah, it's how come

881
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: we haven't heard anything about the Dustin Johnson Brooks cup

882
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: good relationship for a while. How are those two getting along?

883
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: They're getting along fine. I mean you know they had

884
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: they had this this dust up Sunday night in in

885
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: Paris after the Ryder Cup. The story I heard, which

886
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: is so lame. I don't know even It's like I've

887
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: tried to fact check it. I've never gotten anywhere but

888
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: that they were all hanging out and um some and

889
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: of course you've got you've got the wives slash girlfriends

890
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: in the mix. And that's a whole other subtext to

891
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: live is like if you look at in all of golf,

892
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: which significant others have the biggest profiles and love the

893
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: attention the most and are the thirstiest. To use the vernacular,

894
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: I mean they're all on live golf now. It's just unbelievable.

895
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: And so you have you Brooks, and you have Jenna,

896
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: and you have Dustin and Paulina and supposedly this is

897
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: what I've heard. I can't say it's true, but it

898
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: makes me laughing. This is actually it that some group

899
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: wanted to go go out in the town in Paris

900
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: and some other group didn't want to and there's an

901
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: argument and it was something about who was responsible for

902
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: calling a car and Brooks and Dustin got into it

903
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: like it was like so prosaic, and um, you know

904
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: who knows? And uh, as I said last week about

905
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: the Reds having their own reality show, uh, it should

906
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: be filed up directly by just the you know, real

907
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: Housewives of lip Goff right, like a hundred percent the reads,

908
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: the reads, Yeah we didn't men talk about just then? Yeah,

909
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean the personalities over there, Mrs Perez, Uh, Jenna, Justine,

910
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: Holy Molly, there's a lot of room. There's a lot

911
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: of personalities. I think. I don't do you even mention

912
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: this on a podcast. I tweeted it when I was

913
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: at the live event in UM Chicago. Um, Jenna drove

914
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: by in a cart with their dog this black laugh things.

915
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: His name is Cove. I've seen on social media right

916
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: like it was so funny. I love dogs, I have

917
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: I love dogs on the golf courses in the UK,

918
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 1: but I've never seen a dog on the tournament grounds

919
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: like it was just so funny. Um, once saw a

920
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: very charming thing in a Marriott parking lot Brooks Jenna

921
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: and dog going for a walk early in the morning

922
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: before Yeah, I mean you're devoted that dog. Listen probably

923
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: others nobody loves her dog with it. I love my

924
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: dog so well traveled dog. Yeah. Well yeah, when you

925
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: got on play and it's not a big deal, but um,

926
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: it's just as to the point of I mean, there's

927
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: an element of absurdity to all of this. And um, hey, Jake,

928
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: if you don't put the the uh the little clip

929
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: that I put up on Twitter of Mrs Perez going

930
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: this new tour is gonna be I kindact right here,

931
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: you've missed out. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. I mean,

932
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: anyone who follows Ashley Peret on social knows she's she's

933
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: not a shrinking violet. So um anyway, it's wild. Is

934
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 1: is Amy Michelson up to playing the role of Barbara

935
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: Nicholas for this new tour. I mean she's well positioned

936
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: and that she's so beloved and respected. Um, but I

937
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: have not seen Amy Michelson at any tournament since the

938
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: November Masters. That's two years ago now. Um, just have

939
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: not seen her a major championship. You know, there was

940
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: a she wasn't. She wasn't at Kioa when Phil won.

941
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: What about what about the Ryder Cup in uh in Wisconsin?

942
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: She was there. I guess I that's a different deal.

943
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: That's such a team thing and and you know they've

944
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: got to have an actual procession of wives in the

945
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: opening ceremony. I'm accepting that, but just just a regular

946
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: whether it's a tour event, a live event, or a major.

947
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: I haven't seen her. I'm not saying she hasn't been there,

948
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: but usually she's very easy to spot and um so

949
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: she's definitely her tail, her travel or at least her

950
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: public profile. So I don't know if she wants that

951
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: role or not. I mean she kind of had it,

952
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: um even up until Phil Phil left the PGA Tour,

953
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: but uh, yeah, it is it's so funny in golf,

954
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: and like I've been reading this, this biography of Greg Norman. Um,

955
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: they've written in the nineties, and Um, Lauren Laurence st. John.

956
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a great pull by you, Michael. Um, it's

957
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: a it's a good book actually, and she she did

958
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: a really nice job. And there's so much Laura Norman

959
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: in the book and all this talk about she's she's in.

960
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: She's just there after every round, she's on every plane flight,

961
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: she's part of every business meeting. And it's just funny

962
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: how in in golf the wives have such public roles,

963
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: Like I know Lebron James is married and and it

964
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: seems like she's a very nice person, but you never

965
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: hear anything about her in any context of his professional life. Um,

966
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: whereas you know when Harold Varner goes to live the

967
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: headlines where Harold Varner's wife encouraged them to go to live,

968
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: like it's just a whole thing in golf that's so

969
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: interesting because they don't really have teammates, right and so

970
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: um and the effect of Justine reid On on Patrick's

971
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: career we know has been significant, not just catting for

972
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: him in the Mondays where we know nothing untoward happened

973
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: because we've spoken about this in the past, UM and

974
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: UM on down the line. So it's just it's amazing

975
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: the prominence of these wives. They are definitely gifts from

976
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: the content gods. I agree with that. What is your

977
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: insight too, whether Greg Norman is going to be moved

978
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: and whether somebody knew might be coming in, namely Mark King.

979
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: As of right now, I don't think it's gonna happen.

980
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it won't happen next year. UM. I

981
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: think that they're trying to They're trying to hold the

982
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: line and keep everything cohesive, um going into next season.

983
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: Like clearly we've talked about this before. Live is way

984
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: ahead of where any of us thought it would be.

985
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: His acquisition of players. Now they're trying to bake out

986
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: the team elements and trying to get better tournament venues.

987
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: And this is not the moment to blow things up.

988
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: But you know, Norman is working really hard on all

989
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: the details, Like he's involved on a granular level, and

990
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: the guy's almost seventy years old. I'm not sure how

991
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: much he wants that grind. Clearly, UM, if there's ever

992
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a reapproach it with the tour, Norman's got

993
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: to go because he's been he's been such a thorn

994
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: in the side of the PGA tour and Jay Monahan.

995
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: Um so I could see a year from now he

996
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: will declare victory and and he will um, he will

997
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: exit stage left. And and you know Mark King, the

998
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: former tailor Maids are he's been. He's been talked about

999
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: quite a lot as as a potential successor. Um, you

1000
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: know him very well, Michael. I mean I think he

1001
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: would be he'd be well suited for the job. Whether

1002
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: he wants or not unknown, But um, I think I

1003
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: think that right now that that Norman's on pretty solid

1004
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: footing and he had some public misteps. He said some

1005
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: dumb things early on, but um, they kind of they

1006
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: kind of put him on ice. Like Greg, Norman took

1007
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: a much lower media profile the second half of the season.

1008
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: That was by design. Um you know he's um you

1009
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: have to give him a lot of credit. I mean,

1010
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 1: he helped build this thing and um so it's his baby.

1011
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going anywhere in the short term.

1012
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: The real question about Live is how do they fix

1013
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: the nibblicks. It's kind of one of my regrets is

1014
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: that I didn't lean into that, like you could have

1015
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: been a bit at every press conference, like so many

1016
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 1: questions about the teams didn't just like you know, yeah, yeah,

1017
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: it's like, is there strife among the nibulicks? You know?

1018
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: How is the team crabberd camaraderie and the nibblicks? Well,

1019
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that's That's a real part of this

1020
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: offseason is what Lives is gonna how they're gonna bake

1021
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: out the team element. And I really think that just

1022
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: a side note about that. Here how here is how

1023
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: Live has changed the world of golf. And this is

1024
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: not a parody or a joke. There's a guy, his

1025
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: name is Lendon Michaelson Landon Michelson, Uh ironically that has

1026
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: played many tours for a long time, and it is

1027
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: trying to start a new mini tour and it is

1028
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: based off of the team concept and it's basically a

1029
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: mini tour of Live. It's like a little for person

1030
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: They're trying to get uh investors to purchase little teams,

1031
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, at a very minimal cost for people that

1032
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: basically want to gamble on mini tour golf and uh,

1033
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: it's wild like Live has had so far reaching effects

1034
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: on the game of golf. It is literally reached the

1035
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: mini tour level. Now, it seems like that's that's tough

1036
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: to do because all your players ultimately just want to

1037
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: leave that tour like I want to move up, like

1038
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: how you can have any cohesion. But I guess that's

1039
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: part of the fun, as you just keep bringing new bodies.

1040
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: And Okay, well we're talking. We barely mention this like

1041
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: half an hour ago. Let's just before we go, let's

1042
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: pour out a little um almond milk or whatever it

1043
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: is for Roger Malpi and Gary Coke. Like they they've

1044
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: been a big part of our lives. They've been in

1045
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: our in our living rooms for many years now, and

1046
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: NBC is part of ways. I mean, we all love Roger,

1047
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: especially such a character and uh Michael tell tell us

1048
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: a good story about one or both of them. Well,

1049
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, everyone knows when Rodge won the UH when

1050
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: he won the Memorial Tournament. I think in seventy five.

1051
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: I think the first place check was for d K

1052
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: and they really gave you a check back then, not

1053
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: the cardboard thing. Roger went to a bar and lost

1054
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: the check at the bars. Do not know that one out?

1055
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I I thought it was apocryphal. I've never

1056
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: heard the details that that's fantastic. I think it's true. Uh.

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00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: Uh Roger very very very insightful golf guy. And just

1058
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: a quick note about Gary Coke, very very insightful golf guy.

1059
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: And you know, totally different personalities. But they did their

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00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: jobs really well for long time. And uh and I

1061
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: think they you know, like like like Venturi, Uh, they

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00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: brought a lot of comfort to people for a lot

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00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: of years because they were just so uh familiar and

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00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: good at their job and and uh and and and

1065
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: they were a presence uh in the game obviously, and

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00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: uh and just you know, to those of us have

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00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: been around the game. I never knew Gary, but but

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00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: Roger was always you know, I've been a lot of

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00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: hotels with them in other places or some hotels, and uh,

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00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: just a warm, endearing person. And uh. The year that

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00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: when Tiger won uh the US Open at at Tory

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00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: Pines that week, particularly spent a lot of time with

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00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: uh with Roger and when I picked up a lot

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00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: that week. But one thing I would say in particular

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00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: was that the Tiger has very very high standards and

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00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: I could see that he obviously respected Roger and uh uh,

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00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot to me about Roger as well.

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00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: But anyway, they'll be missed. Have a funny Roger Mulvey story.

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00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: It's inappropriate, but you know this is for mature audience.

1080
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: Is this podcast anyway? Um? Flying home from the Open

1081
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: Championship one year, I got upgraded to the pointy end

1082
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: of the bird and multi happened to be seated next

1083
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: to me, and so you chit chat or whatever. It's

1084
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: a long flight, and so I was. I was cued

1085
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: up a movie to watch, and I was watching The

1086
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: Devil's Advocate and I could see him. You know, you

1087
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: can kind of feel the person next to you like

1088
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: watching your screen. It's like a weird thing because you

1089
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: could have watched it himself on his own screen. But whatever,

1090
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: I didn't really care. But I've never seen the movie before.

1091
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: And at some point that Charlie's their own appears on

1092
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: the screen topless, and I just couldn't resist. I looked

1093
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: over at Roger and he's watching, and he gave me

1094
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: this huge grid and like two thumbs up, like it

1095
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: was so great, I've never forgotten. Oh that's amazing. This

1096
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: is a this isn't a serious question. Do you think

1097
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: that Live had anything to do with them being replaced?

1098
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: Meaning like they are kind of old school, right, I

1099
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: love both of them, as you know, like, but you know,

1100
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon's out there, Smiley starting to get into it,

1101
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: Colt knowst is making a name for himself, Like, I mean,

1102
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: he's very good, and he's already made a name for himself,

1103
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: but maybe moving up to like a bigger role at NBC.

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that, I'm just throwing out names. Do

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00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: you think that, like trying to make the game younger

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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: that Live has kind of pushed Not that it had

1107
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: any big thing to do, but just like on a

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00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: smaller scale, do you think that golf is more cognizant

1109
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: of the product they put out? The PGA Tour is

1110
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: more cognizant of the product they put up. Yes, in

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00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: a word, absolutely, And even before Live was on the scene,

1112
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, the CBS was very aware that that Master's

1113
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: telecast was getting older and older by the year. And

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't know this for for sure, but I believe

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00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: it's well north of sixty the average age of the

1116
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: person watching the Master. Uh So you know, now I'm

1117
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: the oldest person in this group, but we all have

1118
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: some attachment to Roger I remember very well as a player,

1119
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: but even if you never knew that part of him,

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01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: just as a persons in your lives. But there's a

1121
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: lot of people under twenty five just like, who's this guy?

1122
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: Uh uh so sure, I don't think there's any question. Yeah,

1123
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: in the world where dude perfect is kicking beach balls

1124
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: and amen corner Like, clearly it's on the minds of

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01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: of the golf decision makers. And you know, there's there's

1126
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: this whole generation that that is getting replaced, and I

1127
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: don't think it's really an indictment of any of them

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Speaker 1: as individuals. I think what you said is bang on. Ryan.

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01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: It's like we have to reinvent ourselves a little bit

1130
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: and um there this this is just one more step

1131
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: and it will be I agree, it'll be interesting to

1132
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: see who fills those roles. Um, you know what, I

1133
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: was going to release the listeners, but there's one more

1134
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: thing we have to talk about, which is Ryan, You're

1135
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: you're Alex fit Patrick Scoop and the story that created

1136
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation ation on on social media and elsewhere. Um,

1137
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: for the listeners who have missed the story and we

1138
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: will direct them towards it, but give give a brief

1139
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: summary of of what it means and then what the

1140
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: reaction has been for you personally. Just like Monday Qualifiers,

1141
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: we bury it at the end of the podcast, you know,

1142
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean, jeez, I'm just kidding. Um, I mean the

1143
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: quick summation of the story, and it does get a

1144
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: bit complicated, But p G A tour you is um

1145
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: the rankings for what used to be college seniors, and

1146
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: if you've finished in the top five, you've got corn

1147
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: Ferry status at the end of the year after n

1148
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: t S and then you go to spot in the

1149
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: um finals of Q School. Alex Fitzpatrick, brother of US

1150
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: Open champion Matt Fitzpatrick, finished sixth and according to I

1151
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: hate to say, according to multiple sources because that it's

1152
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: just awkward, according to multiple sources, and my voice is

1153
01:01:55,240 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: gone at this point. But um he um. He had

1154
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: lawyers involved. The Fitzpatrick family had lawyers involved, arguing about

1155
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: the ranking one particular event held during COVID in particular,

1156
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: and the tour UH gave him an exemption. This special

1157
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: exemption the first in PGA twour history that I know

1158
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: of and anyone else I've talked to uh, and he

1159
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: got a spot in final stage and in the grand

1160
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: scheme of things. I think you said it perfectly on

1161
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: in your tweet, like, is a special exemption for Alex

1162
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick that big a deal in the golf world. No,

1163
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: but does it set a precedent that the PGA Tour

1164
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: is bending its rules and and not having this hard

1165
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: line in the sand? Um, it is becoming more and

1166
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: more uh, that players have leverage and they've never had

1167
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: leverage before. Um My, my opinion is had this happened

1168
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: two and a half years ago, pre live the pg

1169
01:02:56,120 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: twour would have told them to go pound sand and Uh,

1170
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: this year they made some sort of deal. It seems

1171
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: that both have an n d A because the tour

1172
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: won't say anything and Alex can't say anything. Um. And

1173
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: it seems he has a valid point about the rankings,

1174
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: but it's just, UM, it seems that you know, we're

1175
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to hand picking the players that

1176
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: are out on the BG Tour. I mean that's really

1177
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: been happening in sports in general. I mean you look

1178
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: at the NBA, the players have never had more power.

1179
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: They basically create their own teams, and they broke with

1180
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: their own trades and they formed these super teams. Um.

1181
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: You see it in college sports now with the n

1182
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: I L deals. Um, the power is flowing back to

1183
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: the players. Um. And so maybe golf with its you know,

1184
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: it's old traditions. Was it was time, But it is

1185
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,479
Speaker 1: interesting and it does reveal the specter of Live because

1186
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, if it Alex, while Matthew Fitzpatrick has been

1187
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: honest that he got an offer from Live, whether that

1188
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: was before after the US Open, Alex Lex just Alex

1189
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: has been too. He said he turned down two million dollars. Yeah,

1190
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: well there you go. I mean this is a kid

1191
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: who he's a walker cup. He's a good player, but

1192
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: he's not a marquee player. But the Chase and Brooks

1193
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: Keptica playbook. You know, it's kind of like you get

1194
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: the little brother on tour and then it becomes that

1195
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: much more attractive for the older brother who's got the credentials. So, um,

1196
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, Alex has value to Live because of his

1197
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 1: brother and because maybe he'll blossom into a player. Who knows.

1198
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: But so it it does reveal some larger truths and um,

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Speaker 1: it's another interesting footnote in how things are changing professional golf.

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01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, Michael, Uh, if the tour loses

1201
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: its way, that it's not completely doing things by the book, Uh,

1202
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: then it's not the pH Tour that that well we

1203
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: know one respect. Uh So I think this is, you know,

1204
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: potentially a very serious moment in golf. Ryan and I

1205
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about this the other day. Part of me

1206
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: for not remember the young man's name. But a fourtune

1207
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: year old kid from China played in the Masters and

1208
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: they game running you know, the gentleman's same gun Yang

1209
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: and uh uh and he got a two stroke penalty.

1210
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: The whole world wanted this kid to make the cut,

1211
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: but he got three bad times and they gave him

1212
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: two shot penalty. What are they gonna do not give him?

1213
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean they have nobody ever gets add times and

1214
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: nobody ever gets to penalized for it. But this kid

1215
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: did what was the what was the what were the

1216
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: Master's officials gonna do ignore their own rules? We clocked

1217
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: him for three bad times. It's in the rule book.

1218
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna give it to him. So, I mean, that

1219
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: really is golf, you know, equal opportunity under the law.

1220
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: So if you get away from that, you get away

1221
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: from a golf really is all about what what serious

1222
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: tournament golf is all about. This is also of a

1223
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: piece you know Bubba Watson at public that he's um,

1224
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, to our tour events have been low key

1225
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: paying appearance fees for a long time. To the players,

1226
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: they're just not called that. It's like the corporate sponsor

1227
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: wants you to come speak at a cocktail party, will

1228
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: pay you three hundred thousand or five thousand dollars for

1229
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: half an hour of your time. I mean, it's essentially

1230
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: an appearance fee. We we It's been known in the game,

1231
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: but Bubba kind of blew the lid off of it.

1232
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: And I wrote something about it in my mail bag

1233
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: last week, and then I've had two people reach out

1234
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: to me because I had heard I had three dollars

1235
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: a few times as a number. I put that in

1236
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,479
Speaker 1: my column and some guy wrote to me and said,

1237
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: you're he clearly was, you know, looking at his bio

1238
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: and and talking to him. He knows his stuff. He

1239
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: was like one of those guys was in the room.

1240
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: He said, you gotta add a zero to that. He's like,

1241
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: I know, he's like he's like, I know one superstar

1242
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: asked for four million dollars, So do you wanted something

1243
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: during the week, he said. Another Hall of Famer Icon

1244
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: wanted eight million dollars for his foundation. Um. Now whether

1245
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: these were paid is less clear, but um this this

1246
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: is a thing in golf. It always has But we

1247
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: know that they pay appearance fees around the world. So

1248
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: the tour has always tried to put itself above it,

1249
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: but it has In reality, they've been doing the same thing.

1250
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: He here's the here's the way. I think that it's

1251
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: different in those standpoints, and yes, I agree, but Q

1252
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: School has always been the place where tour pros don't

1253
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: have any power and and the tour rightfully so uh

1254
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: has had a no like no excuses. Talked to a

1255
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: pro whose mother in law had a stroke and passed

1256
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: away a week before Q School. He asked for a

1257
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: different site. They said no. A guy this year, uh,

1258
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, missed the deadline for final stage by a

1259
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: couple of hours. They said no. And I understand it

1260
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: because then you opened Pandora's boxes. Alan Shipnik has a

1261
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: bomb ankle and he wants to get moved. And Michael

1262
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: Bamberger has a sore shoulder and his mom is in

1263
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: the hospital. You open yourself up to endless stuff. Q

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Speaker 1: school has always been the place that I was on

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Speaker 1: with the Pulson's today. Q School has always been the

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Speaker 1: most you know, those guys have a problem with PG

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Speaker 1: two or you as a problem and as a as

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Speaker 1: a concept in general. Now with Live, I understand it.

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Speaker 1: You know you want to keep your young players. But

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Speaker 1: Q School has always been the most democratic part of golf.

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Speaker 1: Right there is no anything you tee it up. Norman

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Speaker 1: Young was the best college player, and that in almost

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01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: like he wasn't the next Tiger Woods. And he lost

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01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: and he didn't get through and that's okay, that's how

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Speaker 1: golf works. And uh and and I think that is

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Speaker 1: the leap that we've made that Q School. Yes, those

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Speaker 1: back deal door deals have been made, but Q school

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Speaker 1: has always been the place where nothing happens. There is

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Speaker 1: no The tour never cared about those players enough to

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Speaker 1: make any deals. There was no deals. It's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: go get through first stage. Dude, I don't know what

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01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: to tell you. And now it's it's not and and

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01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: we are sliding quickly down a hill that is going

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01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: to be a lot of handshake deals and lawyers and

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01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: all those kind of things. It's just it's it's not

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Speaker 1: a great place. But if the tour is not really

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01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: careful here, they they will ld the goose because all

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: of corporate America is so way way into golf for

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, in one of which is, you know,

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01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: these fine young men are such you know, principles and show.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean to be spoken, it's just said. Uh,

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01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: it's a merit based system. Uh. The rule book does

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01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: whatever can to eliminate ambiguity. To your point, Ryan, you know,

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01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 1: there are some areas like metal exemptions and major medical

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01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,560
Speaker 1: extensions where they've got to read tea leaves and it

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: gets very difficult for the tour and there's always a

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: lot of fussing about that. But this sort of and

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01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: even Bubba getting paid to go to a cocktail party,

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Speaker 1: and whether it's three million or three thousand, yeah, it's

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01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: it's shady and it's in the gray area, but it

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01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:47,799
Speaker 1: doesn't really affect two central things here is what actually

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01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: happens in the tournament. Are the are the scorecards directly accurate?

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: And how do you get into the tournament in the

1304
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: first place? That those two things are the underpinning of

1305
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: what makes the pH A Tour the pH A Tour.

1306
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: That's why it matters. Access has never been more important.

1307
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: And when you start cluttering that up with agendas and

1308
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: handshake deals, it uh, it gets very messy, very quickly.

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Speaker 1: So I would encourage any of the listeners if you

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01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: haven't seen Ryan's excellent story, go to um fire Collective

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01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: dot com check that out. We also we will make

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01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: sure that Andy Ogletree's earlier Fire Drill podcast is prominent

1313
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: so you can find that as well, because it is

1314
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: a great It's a great background on on how the

1315
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: professional game is changing, and actually a really interesting kid

1316
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: who has become an unlikely protagonist in this whole golf season.

1317
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: So um, we covered a lot of ground on this podcast. UM.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank all the listeners from making it

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Speaker 1: this far. Do you guys have any final thoughts before

1320
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: we go? Well, I get to do a podcast with

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01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: Michael Bamberger his pajamas, That's my final thought. In in

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01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: the in the group thread, Ryan was gonna call he

1323
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: was gonna call it this his this was his Willis

1324
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: Reed game or his his Jordan Flew game, because he's

1325
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: clearly under the weather, but he powered through um an

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01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 1: hour and fifteen minutes of po ding, So it's a

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01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 1: heroic effort. You've entered, entered the animals. Articles will be

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01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: written about this, but they might be by me anyway.

1329
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: I might my own own article about my own plant heroism.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, if you've enjoyed this podcast against all odds,

1331
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: we have another podcast offering in our network that's gonna

1332
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: drop here in two days. Michael Bamberger, myself, Jeff Ogilvie.

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Speaker 1: It's called Nita Fourth. As the title might hint, um,

1334
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: we bring on a mystery guest every week. One of

1335
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: the host is responsible for that. The other two don't

1336
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: know who's coming on, and so at least to some

1337
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: very freewheeling, fund spontaneous conversations, we have a really interesting

1338
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: mix of of guests, some hardcore golf people, some folks

1339
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: who are golf adjacent but just really love the game

1340
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 1: and have a different perspective. So that will be that

1341
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: will be coming to your ear soon, and we hope

1342
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: you'll check it out because Michael and I have had

1343
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: great time in recording these conversations, as has Jeff Um.

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: But uh, all right, I can. I can sense the

1345
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: fatigue for my co host, so we're gonna go. This

1346
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 1: is This has been another Fire Drill podcast. Thank you

1347
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: for listening. We'll do it again. They're usually Sunday evenings

1348
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: because there's some some travel issues. We this one's going

1349
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: up Monday afternoon, but we are committed to doing this

1350
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: every week, so thank you for listening. At the end,

1351
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: that Big played to win, made a fortune with my

1352
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: ship game. I ran the table and never thought I

1353
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: could fall them, and winter time hit me like a

1354
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: cannon ball. And now I can't shake this losing the street.

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01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: Every road I take is a dead end street. I

1356
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: got thoughts in my head. Can't get John not think

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. Go sit my head, can't get

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Speaker 1: him out trying not to think what I'm thinking about.