1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: power through the Wednesday edition of the program. All right, 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: we've been talking about the Santis versus Trump de Santis 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: finally returns fire against Trump, and so many of you 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: are weighing in. You can email the show certainly will 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: continue to take your calls. It is going to be, 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: I believe, the story in the Republican primary of twenty 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: twenty three. Now, maybe there's going to be other candidates 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: that rise up that we don't foresee. Maybe Lynn Junkin's 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: gonna jump in, Maybe Nicky Haley's gonna catch fire, Mike Pence, 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: Mike Pompeo, whoever, the Vivic Ramaswami, whoever, somebody is that 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: might catch fire. Between now and when the voting starts 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: in the primaries and the caucuses in Iowa and New 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: Hampshire and beyond, we will continue to discuss all of that. 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: It is going to be the number one story of 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: all twenty two three. Just buckle up. There's going to 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: be a lot of twisting turns there. Part of the 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: twist in turns are going to be what might occur 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: in New York City as it pertains to Alvin Bragg 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: and the potential charges that he is going to bring 23 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. Now this is significant. I've spent buck 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: after our conversation yesterday with Andy McCarthy, which is really good, 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: I went and I did a deep dive on the 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: New York charges that could be brought against Trump. I 27 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: read as much as I could. I want to make 28 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: it clear I am not an expert in New York 29 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: state criminal law. Okay, so I'm not pretending that I 30 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: am an expert there. I'm legally licensed in two jurisdictions, 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: New York is not one of them. And I've not 32 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: done criminal law in New York. But I have spent 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: time doing criminal law, and I certainly studied campaign finance 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: law pretty extend back in the day. And what I 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: cannot get past buck, and this is going to be 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: a little bit detailed. I would also tell you out there, 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: I would love to hear from lawyers who may be 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: more experienced in analyzing this issue than I would be. 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: If you have practice campaign finance law and you think 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: that there needs to be more nuanced to the argument 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: that I'm going to put forward. I'd welcome it eight 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: hundred two two to eight eight two, love to hear 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: from you as well. But what I can't get past 44 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: buck in sort of the foundational element here of these 45 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: charges is and this may be a little bit rudimentary 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: for some of you, but I think for a lot 47 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: of people out there, this is going to be an 48 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: important discussion to understand. Campaign finance law by and large 49 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: is designed to focus on federal elections, as we typically 50 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: talk about it right Federal Election Commission, and what they 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: are trying to do in New York is used effectively 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: federal campaign laws to try to peg Donald Trump for 53 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: a state law violation. And that is an unbelievable hurdle 54 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: that I don't think they can get passed legally. And 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is what Trump did. They 56 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: investigated in the Southern District of New York to consider 57 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: pursuing him for federal charges, and they said, ultimately, we 58 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: don't like this case, and they walked away from it. 59 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: This case has been out there circulating now for going 60 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: on seven years. Buck. This initially arose in October of 61 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, So I think there's probably a statute of 62 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: limitations issue with that as well. That would be a 63 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: very viable line of legal attack for Trump. But I 64 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: don't see how they are going to maneuver a state 65 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: law violation in a federal election, because remember, Trump in 66 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen is running for a federal office. If Trump 67 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: had been running for governor of New York, Okay, if 68 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: Trump had been running for mayor of New York City, 69 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: maybe they can make these accusations stick. I think what 70 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: ultimately will end up happening if these charges are brought is, 71 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: as you talked about yesterday, when all the way to 72 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, what happened to Virginia's governor, and they 73 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: finally said, even though he had been convicted, this is 74 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: not a legitimate method by which this case could have 75 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: been tried. I think these charges, the fact that they 76 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: were filed in the first place, are going to be 77 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: tossed on appeal regardless of what Alvin Bragg ends up doing. Now, 78 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't change the political ramifications, but what is required 79 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: here is such a novel and unprecedented legal theory that 80 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: regardless of whether a jury believes that Trump is guilty, 81 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: and they might just because a lot of people in 82 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: New York City hate Trump, they have a very favorable forum. 83 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: But if you actually look at these charges, I think 84 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: they're going to be tossed out by judges. And remember, 85 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: judges decide issues of law, juries decide issues of fact. 86 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: I think this is an issue of law. I don't 87 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: believe that these charges are going to be upheld as 88 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: a legal matter as the appellate process begins now might 89 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 1: take years before we get a resolution. But in doing 90 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: my deep dive, I don't think there's any legitimate legal 91 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: basis to bring these charges. Have to look at the incentives, right, 92 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: Charlie Munger, show me the incentive, I'll show you the result. 93 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: What are the incentives at this point for Alvin Bragg 94 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: as the DA of Manhattan to not bring versus to 95 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: bring the charges in this case that could come any 96 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: day now? I think we both agree, and I really 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: haven't heard anyone who disagrees that the incentives are overwhelmingly 98 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: in favor of Bragg bringing the charges for him, for 99 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: him as an individual, and for the Democrat Party more broadly. 100 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: And so that brings us then to what's really going 101 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: on here, which is. This is just the usage of 102 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: the law as a as a political weapon. And Democrats 103 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: really believe that you can tear you can tear down 104 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: any institution in order to save it when it comes 105 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump. It doesn't matter what it is. They're 106 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 1: all basically I mean, I you saw Clay I tweeted 107 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: out this morning. There's a New York Times piece and 108 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: this is how they phrase it. Okay, this is their 109 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: their version of your legal analysis. Is the legal intricacies 110 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: that could make or break the case against Trump? If 111 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: the New York Times is coming up with a headline 112 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: like that, anybody who understands what's really happening here can 113 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: see this is bullcrap. This is obvious bullcrap. This is 114 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: the worst kinds of politicization of prosecutors. And I say 115 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: this people all the time. You know, you can be, 116 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: you know, worried about different federal agencies and the harassment 117 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: you get from them. You can be worried about the 118 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: politicization of the media and academia. In all these places, 119 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: prosecutors have the most power to ruin your life the fastest, 120 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: with the least oversight. If prosecutors start to decide they're 121 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: going to crush people because of politics, not the law. 122 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Then we are on a very very dangerous path as 123 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: a society. I mean, you see this happening in other places. 124 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: This is right up there with the intelligence agency that 125 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: actually decides who the president is, which, as I say 126 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: that allowed feels kind of weird given what happened in 127 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. But anyway, in terms of how quickly a 128 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: society will go into dysfunction and decay if you have 129 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: prosecutors that are locking people up for being associated with 130 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: the wrong ideas and trumped up pardon the phrase, charges, 131 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: we have very little to be positive about for the 132 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: future of all legal institutions in this country. So it's 133 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: a it is a big deal that he would do this, right, 134 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: It's it's not a big deal for Trump. He's not 135 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: going to spend the rest of his life in prison 136 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: when I big deal legally, I mean, obviously the political 137 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: implications are huge, but the fact that we're even having 138 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: this conversation this is absurd. And Bill Clinton lied under oath, 139 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: as we all know, it was a federal crime, one 140 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: hundred percent, no question about it. But everyone kind of 141 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: decided after a while, they're like, well, you know, I'm 142 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: not going to prosecute the former president, even if it's 143 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: under the statute of limitations. Now you can say that 144 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: you disagree with that one or the other. But there 145 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: was something of a that's what happened. I mean, we 146 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: we already straight. So let me let me talk big 147 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: picture here. So I think that this on appeal will 148 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: be taught, that this case will be tossed and whatever 149 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: the result is, to the extent that it ever gets filed, 150 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: and that a jury determines whether Trump violated this law 151 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: whatever else. I believe that it will get tossed on appeal. 152 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: But but doesn't ninety percent of the damage get dune clay. 153 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: If we even get to one jury convicting Trump on 154 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: this one charge, isn't doesn't Brag win at that point? 155 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: Does it matter? Brag wins no matter what. And this 156 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: is the challenge because Bragg's constituency is New York. And 157 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: if he's the bad guy, meaning the badass, I should say, 158 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: who finally charges Trump with a crime? He can write 159 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: a check, right, He can be the next mayor of 160 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: New York City, he can be the next governor of 161 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: State of New York. He can be the next Senator. 162 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: When there's a decision made for Chuck Schumer or somebody 163 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: like that to step down, like he becomes the baddest 164 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: guy on the planet. He's the guy who walked up 165 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: to the bully and knocked him down right for him, 166 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: it's a total win for the country. It's a disaster. 167 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: And this is the this is the problem in general 168 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: that I foresee. Buck. Do you think we have the 169 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: best and brightest representing us as Democrats or Republicans in 170 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: political office right now? Definitely not right? And why is that? 171 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: I was having a conversation with this with a friend 172 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: recently and he said his argument was, and I think 173 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: it's a good one. He said, you know, back in 174 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: the day, in like the forties, fifties, whatever, the difference 175 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: between being a CEO of a major company and making 176 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: forty fifty million dollars a year or making one hundred 177 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars as a politician, it didn't exist. 178 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: You didn't have that seismic gap between what a top 179 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: CEO could earn and what a top politician could earn. 180 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: That dollar figure was not as substantial. So his argument was, 181 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: you got higher quality talent that moved into politics. A 182 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: lot of people, probably a lot of you out there 183 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: listening to us right now. A lot of people say, 184 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm not willing to get involved in politics because I'll 185 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: get attacked and destroyed and it doesn't even pay that Well. Meanwhile, 186 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: I can run my own business, I can have a 187 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: normal life. There are a lot of people out there 188 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: who make that decision. To me, if Trump gets charged. 189 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: What this does is send the message that you if 190 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: you decide to run for president, we're going to say 191 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: the precedent that some DA somewhere is going to dive 192 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: through everything that you've ever done in your life. And 193 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: no matter how perfect do you think you may have lived, 194 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: if a DA decides to investigate you for years, they're 195 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: going to find something that they can charge you with, 196 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: and this further devalues the talent just some people who 197 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: are interested in getting involved in politics. That's all true. 198 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: The only difference here would be the presidency has been 199 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: different up to this point. It's certainly true if you're 200 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: running to be a Republican senator, governor. I sit here 201 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: and talk all the time Clay about the number of 202 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: witch hunt weaponized prosecutor cases against Republicans in the last 203 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: ten years that you can rattle off off the top 204 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: of your head, right, You can talk about Chris Christie 205 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: with Bridgegate. Oh my gosh, they said it was a 206 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: mass murder event on MSNBC. Do you remember this they claimed. 207 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it was Mattau or it was 208 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: one of the Laurence O'Donnell. I think it was one 209 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: of them. That because there may have been ambulances delayed 210 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: by Bridgegate, it could have been a multiple fatality event 211 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: by the traffic jam. I mean, that was a real argument. 212 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: The okay bridge Gate Chris Christie, nothing came of it. 213 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Scott Walker and Wisconsin John Doe investigations, nothing came of it. 214 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: Governor Bob McDonald tried to throw him in prison for 215 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: for years and years. Supreme Court had to had to 216 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: overturn it. Donald Trump Russia collusion. Obviously, Rick Perry in 217 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: Texas they were trying to bring they were trying to 218 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: bring some federal I mean some felony charge against him 219 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: for interfering in a prosecutor's office because he didn't want 220 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: some drunk prosecutor who had a dui still running his office. 221 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: You get on the list. They are all these Republicans 222 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: that have had prosecutors weaponized. I can't People probably shouted names, 223 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: are talking about Ted Stevens Older in the week. I 224 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: can't even remember all of them. What is the equivalent 225 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: to the other side, Clay, Who are the Democrat politicians 226 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: who without cause, without basis, have been hounded by criminal 227 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: investor instigations, efforts to throw them or their family members, 228 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: are close associates in prison for nothing. People might church say, oh, well, 229 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: the Clintons, the Clintons are crooks, Okay, we all also 230 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: the Clintons never have legitimately faced any charges, right, so 231 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean they've been investigated through the through I just 232 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: think in addition to taking more and more talent off 233 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: the field for politicians, it will become so commonplace the 234 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: same way impeachment. Remember back in the day, if you're 235 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: old enough to remember, like the fact that that they 236 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: considered impeachment for Richard Nixon and everything else was such 237 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: a transformative moment. I think it was the first time 238 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: since Andrew Johnson had been impeached. And now I kind 239 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: of feel like in the next decade we'll probably have 240 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: six or seven different impeachment trials before all is said 241 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: and done. I mean, it's just and people right now 242 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: are saying we should impeach Biden, and you know how 243 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: it's gonna end. I feel like it's such a standardized 244 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: political process now you have to presume that you're going 245 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: to get charged with a crime if you run. I 246 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: would just say that the maybe there's some historical perspective 247 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: here that's also useful, which is even if you go 248 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: back to the founding, it was rough Man. You know, 249 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: we people talk about Madison and Jefferson and Washington, and 250 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: we think about these these figures who were geniuses at 251 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: the construction of government, and they they were just tattling 252 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: on each other to various newspapers and oh he's a monarchist, 253 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: and know he's having an affair, and oh he's misusing 254 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: funds all the time. All the time, there was so 255 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: much Hamilton as bad as you think things are now, 256 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: like he literally killed them. Yes, I mean, as I 257 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: said before the show, I think about the two ago 258 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: James Monroe stepped in to stop a duel with Hamilton, 259 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: and later Hamilton or what was with Aaron burn now 260 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: and forgetting and then later Aaron Burr ended up shooting 261 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: Alexander Hamilton. So these guys actually shot each other. These 262 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: are the founding fathers. Like the things were getting crazy 263 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: then too. So as much as we look to think 264 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: that we're in this period of oh, politics are more 265 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: polarized in I mean, to call somebody after the Revolutionary War, 266 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: to call somebody a monarchist, it was effectively to call 267 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: them a traitor. And this was what they were, the federalist, 268 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: the antifellis Federalists. Anyway, I'm just thinking about it right now. 269 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: It's it's just amazing. We all think, oh, they just 270 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: sat around with their quill pens and wrote the Constitution. 271 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: They were trying to stab each other in the eyes 272 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: with their quill pens. 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The supply chain of smarts, sanity, and truth uninterrupted. 296 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, Welcome back to Clay and Buck. 297 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: Phone lines open eight hundred two eighty two two eight 298 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: eight two. And also, I know I just I had 299 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: like fifteen seconds I was talking about it. But since 300 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: I was discussing, Clay, the Founders and the kind of 301 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: the kind of beef the Founders would have with each other. 302 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: Everyone knows about Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton, well just 303 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: because of history, but also the play and all that stuff. 304 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was James Monroe and Hamilton we're going 305 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: to have a duel, and Monroe called upon his buddy 306 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Burr and Aaron As to be the second and 307 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: Aaron Burr stepped in and in the negotiations was like, 308 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: maybe you guys don't really need to shoot each other 309 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: over this, and then years later he shot Hamilton himself. 310 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: That is how that went down. So yeah, quite a 311 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: quite a situation of history. But we'll continue to look 312 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: very closely here at the legal ramifications and political ramifications 313 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: really of what could end up happening with this Trump indictment. 314 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: Although it's not coming down today, right Clay. It's it's 315 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: that's not happening, and it might happen tomorrow, but probably not. 316 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: That's where we are. Yeah, they canceled the grand jury 317 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: reportedly today, so there's not going to be any indictment 318 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: that comes down today, maybe tomorrow. If not, it could 319 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: run into next week. And the longer this drags on, 320 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: the more you wonder is their political pressure now coming 321 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: down not only on Alvin Bragg from the Republican side, 322 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: but our Democrats looking at some of the data and 323 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: analysis of the legal perspective here and saying we can't 324 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: bring these charges. This is not legit, this is not 325 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: throwing our best punch at Trump. I think it's worth 326 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: contemplating whether that could happen. One of the best things 327 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: you can do for your families to fortify your home 328 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: with a supply of emergency food. I've done it in 329 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: the Travis household. 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That is the Trump grand Jury in 346 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: New York City. And maybe maybe one of the reasons 347 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: is because Robert Costello testified in front of the grand 348 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: jury and basically called out Michael Cohen in a big 349 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: way as a liar, and Michael Cohen, the former Trump lawyer, 350 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: would be a star witness in any criminal charge that 351 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: was brought in New York City. Now, as I said 352 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: to start off the hour, I don't think that these 353 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: charges would be allowed to stand. From a legal perspective, 354 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: that would the Pellet Judge would strike down these charges. 355 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court eventually might we'll see whether there are 356 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: any charges brought. But if there is a pause right 357 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: now in the Grand jury, I want to play a 358 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: couple of cuts just to kind of contextualize this for you. 359 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: Alan Dershow wits who we had on the show. And 360 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: I got to give credit to Alan Dershow what's He 361 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: has been a man of principle as it pertains to 362 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: the Trump era, even though he is not a Trump supporter. 363 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: He says that the Robert Costello testimony might have been 364 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: a game changer, causing this delay. Listen, I think that 365 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: Bob Costello has changed this case dramatically. I think that 366 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: brag Note now only has two possible results. From that 367 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: number one, he can say, all right, I'm gonna try 368 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: to make the case without Cohen. He cannot use Cone 369 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: as a witness anymore. That would be unethical because of 370 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: the testimony that Costello gave. Or he could say, look, 371 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: I have to drop the case. He may not be 372 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: able to make it without Cohen. But if he can't 373 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: make it without Cohen, he can't make it. So I 374 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: think that Bob Costello it's a game changer. I think 375 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: maybe that's the reason for the delay here. Okay, And 376 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: if you're wondering, okay, who is Bob Costello? What did 377 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: he say? Here? Is Bob Costello telling the audience Michael 378 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: Cohen told me Trump had no knowledge of hush money. Now, 379 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: this is hearsay, but inside of grand jury proceedings, typical 380 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: rules of hearsay do not apply. Listen. He said he 381 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: did this on his own. He didn't mention Donald Trump's name. 382 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: He said there was a problem. Stormy Daniel's lawyer or 383 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: representative got in touch with him. He worked out a 384 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: negotiated deal, got an NDA, a non disclosure agreement one 385 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand. I asked him, I said, is 386 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump's money? No? Did you get that from 387 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: any Trump organization? No? Is that your money? Did you 388 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: take it out of one of your accounts? No? I said, 389 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: where did you get the money from? He said, I 390 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: took out a helock loan. I said, why would you 391 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: do that? He said, because I wanted everything to be secret. 392 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: I didn't want my own wife to know about this. 393 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: I didn't want Melania to know about this. I mean again, 394 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: a grand jury, for those of you out there and 395 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: my understanding in New York, just requires a majority to say, yes, 396 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: we believe charges should be brought. I believe buck. There 397 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: are twenty three New Yorkers that are sitting on this 398 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: grand jury right now, which would mean twelve of them 399 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: would need to say you could twelve to eleven that 400 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: you need twelve of them to say yes, we believe 401 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: charges should be brought. And remember, in a grand jury 402 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: proceeding typically there's no defense, right, It's a one sided 403 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: proceeding where the prosecution basically gets to make their case 404 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: and the grand juries typically not along and say okay, 405 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: we've seen enough. There can be charges that are brought. 406 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: The fact that they're not meeting today buck is really 407 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: interesting to me in the wake of the Costello hearing. 408 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: But also is there something floating around out there about 409 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg where now there's being pressure brought on him. 410 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: I just there's a lot of drama here. This is 411 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: the latest. If Bragg doesn't bring these he ends up 412 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: looking like a like a total buffoon, right, I mean 413 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: he doesn't do this, he looks Absurdum. So there's that, 414 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: and then there's also this part of me that can't 415 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: it over. It's funny you're doing the legal analysis of it, 416 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: and you know what the payments were anything. It's like 417 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: the whole country at least everym his paying attention to 418 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: the news that you know is being put out there 419 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: by various corporations, et cetera. But those of us were 420 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: who were living in this news cycle, it's like we're 421 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: sitting here arguing over you know, who bought who a 422 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 1: ham sandwich six years ago? Like this is crazy. This 423 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: whole thing is absurd. There is and I you know, 424 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's even you know, it always 425 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: sounds cool or Clay you know this, he went to 426 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: law school, always sounds cooler. If there's something in Latin 427 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: you can say, you know what I mean, then then 428 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: you sound much more serious. But there's a basic doctrine 429 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: of that that you shouldn't waste the court or the 430 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: prosecutors shouldn't waste their time on things that don't matter. Right. Yeah, 431 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: if if no one's hurt and nothing bad happened, and 432 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: no one tried to make anything bad happened, that's illegal. 433 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: You what are you doing here? This? That's why the 434 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: absurdity of this is not only is it a victimless crime, 435 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: and you have to stretch yourself into what is the 436 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: what is the thing that the City of New York 437 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: is that you wanted to hide that you're paying off 438 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: a woman that alleg you at s Exeter because you 439 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: didn't want your wife to know. And then you're pretending 440 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: that that's a business transaction and that you didn't list 441 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: that business transaction like this is so stupid, actually, it 442 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: is so absurd the fact that otherwise supposedly serious and powerful, 443 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean that district attorney can if you live in 444 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: New York City. And by the way, for anybody's gonna 445 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: go protest, this is what. Just to clarify this thing too, 446 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: We've never said don't protest any of this stuff. We're 447 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: testing the charges against Trump right now. Verbally we are 448 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: protests that were saying this is crazy. We just don't 449 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: want anyone to think, Oh, if I go like smash 450 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: a window at the NYPD, you know, I'm gonna change 451 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: some minds about this. I don't want people to do. 452 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: Is I donated money to those people who are in 453 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: prison for January sixth. The example that I gave yesterday 454 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: is you go down outside of the New York City 455 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: Courthouse and some idiot from Antifa is next to you, 456 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: and they you know, it's like a a WWF match. 457 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: You know, you never catch the first guy that they 458 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: decide they're gonna throw a punch at you you throw 459 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: a punch back, who's going to get charged? You know 460 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: this this actually happened Clay in some way. There were 461 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: I don't remember all and people are gonna you know, 462 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 1: we're doing live radio and so I can't remember all 463 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: the names and specifics. But it was outside of an 464 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: event in New York where there was a conservative speaker. 465 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: I think maybe this was during a Trump administration and 466 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: Antifa showed up and there were some Proud Boys who 467 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: were also at the event, and there was there was 468 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: a scuffle outside. There was some you know, fists were exchange, 469 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: and I believe one of the Proud Boys ended up 470 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: getting a few years in prison at Riker's Island. Now 471 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: do you think anyone at any of the Antifa guys 472 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: got even arrested. No is a surprise to anybody. No, 473 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: That's what we're trying to You know, if you go 474 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 1: into the Democrat lions Den and think you're gonna, you know, 475 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: get away with not even shenanigans defending yourself. You know, 476 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: there's that video we haven't talked to video on the show. 477 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: And it's tough because you have to see the video 478 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: to understand you saw this right on the subway. It's 479 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: gone megaviral in the last few days. You have to 480 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: see the video to really understand how verbally abusive and 481 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: outrageous it was. It's a it's a black guy shouting 482 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: at a look. I believe it's a feign. People are saying, 483 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, based on the comments, a foreign couple, they're Spanish, 484 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: they're stating at the kid and like saying really horrible 485 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: and racist things. You've seen the video, right, you know 486 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Have you not? Haven't seen? I have? 487 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: Old man. Oh, it's gone mega, mega viral. I mean, 488 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: we can't play it on air because every second word 489 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: is it's just beep, beep beep. I mean, it's it's 490 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: just all curses and you know, racial racial hatred from 491 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: this this black individual to the Spanish couple with their 492 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: small child. By the way, the kid's like five years old. 493 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: It's gotten a lot of play on social media last 494 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: couple of days and the overwhelming commentary around this and 495 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: that this is why I'm tying this inclay is because 496 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: people are saying he should have stood up and taken 497 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: a you know, the dad and you you know you're 498 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: a dad. I'm hoping to be a dad soon. You know, 499 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: you get this right, you die for your kids. You 500 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: don't even defend your kids. People are saying, why didn't 501 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: he stand up and take a swing at this guy? Well, 502 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: do you think that Alvin Bragg, do you think that 503 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: the Democrat district attorney in New York would say, you 504 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: know what, you're not allowed to yell racial slurs at 505 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: a five year old, uh, you know, hispanic kid in 506 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: front of his mom and dad and not expect something bad. No, no, 507 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: we all know how it would play out. And this 508 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: was the whole conversation. I'll send you this, you can 509 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: see it. I don't know if it's really it's really 510 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: hateful and and very It's tough to watch, I'll be honest, 511 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: it's it's tough to watch. But it's been watched a 512 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: lot in the last few days all over the internet, 513 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: and it's just interesting to me because the whole conversation 514 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: is self defense in certain circumstances in New York will 515 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: be treated as illegal. And that's what that's what everybody's 516 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: talking about. So that's what I mean by you know, 517 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: you think you can go and protest and if you 518 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: get into a scrap with ANTIFO or something something happens. 519 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna get a fair shake, You're we're gonna be 520 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: raising money for you. Here is what's gonna say. You're 521 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: gonna be in prison. That's unfortunate, and that's what we're 522 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: trying to hit on as this Trump grand jury process 523 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: plays itself out. Although it is intriguing that they're not 524 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: meeting today because it makes you wonder what else might 525 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: be out there that is causing this situation to potentially 526 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: be paused. We will take some of your calls when 527 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: we come back eight. We will link the story at 528 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: clay in box of people can see what I'm talking about, 529 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: and you'll check it out too. But it's watch at 530 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: the end of this hour. I have not seen that yet. 531 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: Of course, I just got back from Italy yesterday, so 532 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: I haven't necessarily been plugged into everything. When's the last time, 533 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: By the way, you took a look at how our 534 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: public school systems are operating. No shortage of issues, serious issues, 535 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: in fact aren't getting enough attention. Impact on our students 536 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: is substantial. While there are some excellent schools and teachers, 537 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: unfortunately they're now in the minority. It's been a focus 538 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: at Hillsdale College, so much so their president, doctor Larry 539 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: Arn wrote a informative essay on the topic. He identifies 540 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: problems offers some rather brilliant solutions. You can read his 541 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: words in a recent issue of Imprimus, the monthly publication 542 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: Hillsdale publishes and sends to more than six million households. 543 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: Hillsdale's giving out multiple copies of this special Imprimus edition 544 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: so you can share it with others to raise awareness 545 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: on a problem that needs addressing. Education as a Battleground 546 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: is the name of the essay, and it explain why 547 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: parents and teachers, not bureaucrats or activists, should guide what 548 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: our kids are learning. Claim you're ten free copies of 549 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: Education as a Battleground by visiting Clay and buckfour Hillsdale 550 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: dot com. That's Clay and Buck four Hillsdale dot com. 551 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: Act now joined the battle over education for our country's 552 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: future once more. Clay and Buck. That you didn't here 553 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: on the show, get podcast extras in the Clay and 554 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: Buck podcast feed, find it on the iheartap or wherever 555 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Welcome back to clayhan Buck. We 556 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: have so many calls We're gonna get to them in 557 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: just a moment, letting you know them. The third hour 558 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: the program going to discuss I might actually bring us 559 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: back and talk a bit about life in some big 560 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: cities like New York. And this video that we will 561 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: have up in just a few minutes at clayonbuck dot 562 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: com so you can see yourself. Clay just watched it. 563 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: It has gone superviral, daily mail covering it, you know 564 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: New York posts and if people are all over this 565 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: and this happened is much more regularly in New York 566 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: City than a lot of a lot of people I 567 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: think outside the city would realize where just unhinged and 568 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: vile verbal abuse and threats from people on the subway 569 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: or on the street, and you know what you can 570 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: do or what you should do about it. I think 571 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: it's an interesting discussion. I think unfortunately it shows that 572 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: people's day to day lives are are just problematic as 573 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: a result of this, whether you're coming in on the subway, 574 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. So I want to talk about that. 575 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: We also will follow up on you know where we 576 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: are with indictment watch on Trump and some Foucci clips. 577 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: Is it a crazy idea that they I really would 578 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: want to know if they push this back a little 579 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: bit because the clips for Fauci McClay they look so bad. 580 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Fauci's basically, yeah, you get the shot and 581 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: you'll never get the virus and you won't feel a thing. 582 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: Just not true at all, not even a little bit true. 583 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean crazy stuff that Fouci was telling people. It's 584 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: funny because those people are like, I don't trust you, 585 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: and he's like, I am science. Also, this was supposed 586 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: to make him look good, and basically they now have 587 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: all the receipts to prove how much lying he's been doing. 588 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if it just took so long for 589 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: this documentary to be put together, but it makes me 590 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: wonder what they left on the cutting room for as well. 591 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: So many people, by the way, still wanting to weigh 592 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: in on a variety of topics. Let's hit some of them, Buck, 593 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: Let's go first. Sarah in Texas. What's got for us? Sarah, Hey, 594 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: I just went a weigh in him on the name 595 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: calling of De Santis. I don't have nothing against de Santis, 596 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: but I'm a diehard Trumpster yep, and tells why well 597 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: he gets things done that he promises with one hand 598 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: tied behind his back, like Rush would always say. And 599 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: I love the way he scares the hell out of 600 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: the Democrats. And as far as his affairs, it's no 601 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: buddy's business. It's between him and God. I get it. 602 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I think most people in the American 603 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: electorate are so craving competence that they don't presume that 604 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: the most competent person is also going to be perfect 605 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: in their private life. Right, Ideally you have a saint, 606 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: But we had a saint and we crucified him. So 607 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: I don't really know that, uh, that there's anybody out 608 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 1: there in a modern era who is going to stand 609 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: up to everything being perfect, right, I just don't, And 610 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: I think the expectations of perfection are out the window. 611 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: But I do think of all the things Trump could 612 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: be attacking, the santas On calling him a groomer is like, 613 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,239 Speaker 1: it doesn't land right that that attacks that. There there 614 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,239 Speaker 1: are some attacks that just that just come across us 615 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: as flailing and pathetic. Um and I would just on 616 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: the get things done one hand behind his back line. 617 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: That Sarah's riskinks very interesting. There are obviously places you 618 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: could point to where Trump did get things done, and 619 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: we've you've talked about it. I've talked about it for years. 620 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: You could say a lot of very good things. You know, 621 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: what else is going to be is going to be 622 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: a part of this conversation. Where is that wall we 623 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: were promised? What happened to that wall? Thirty miles a 624 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: wall is not a wall, folks. I know a lot 625 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 1: about the border. I've spent a lot of time down there, 626 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: and I talked to people who work for border patrol, 627 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: and I've got contacts that there isn't a wall? Now 628 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: is there going to be a wall? Now? I'm just saying, 629 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: imagine you're Trump, You're on stage with Rohn de Santis. 630 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: Trump is gonna say we built the wall. Because we 631 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: know Trump, He's gonna say we built it. And by 632 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: that Trump means, in his Trump being way, you know, 633 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: we built some of it. We tried they you know, 634 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: the Democrats student in the way they were legally you know. 635 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: So he's gonna say we built some wall. But I 636 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: think Rohn De Santis is going to come back and say, 637 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: was it where we told that it was gonna be 638 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: like thirty miles of wall? And then the demo crats, 639 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna fight and fight beingan no, we all remember 640 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: the chance. So with the getting stuff done, that's going 641 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: to be a fight too. That's going to be part 642 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: of what is what is that the heart? I think 643 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: of this back and forth the Trump and de santists. 644 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: We got Jackie in Kentucky, next, Jacqueline in Kentucky. What's 645 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: going on, Jacqueline. Yes, Trump is an insider. Now, he 646 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: was in the belly of the beast. He's been in 647 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: the wheel room with the swamp. He knows how they function. 648 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,959 Speaker 1: And he also had dealings with the swamp that never 649 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: made the news that a lot of other candidates might 650 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: not realize that. And they'll come after the spouse, even 651 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: if the spouse is battling cancer, you know. And we 652 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: need an insider who recognizes what's going on, and an 653 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: insider of the machine knows how to dismantle or fix 654 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: the machine. So who is that for you? That would 655 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: be Trump? Okay, So look, thank you for the call. 656 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna close out the hour here. We'll continue to 657 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: take some of your calls in the third hour of 658 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: the program. Continue to update you as well on the 659 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: latest on indictment. Watch it appears today is not going 660 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: to be the indictment day. Tomorrow is a theory another 661 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: grand jury day. If it doesn't get done this week, 662 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: then I think it gets a little bit more intriguing 663 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: as it moves into the weekend. Then we start to 664 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: think about things were behind the scenes, machinations could be 665 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: going on. You don't think this is gonna like be 666 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: a thing that just keeps getting stretched out, right? I 667 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: mean well, I wonder Buck whether, like the Georgia da 668 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: is gonna suddenly jump in front and take away the 669 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: brags shine right? What if she suddenly came in and 670 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: charged Trump first first move or advantage for the deep 671 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: state is a real thing here, So we'll have to see. 672 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fascinating to play all this out. Appreciate 673 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with this Wednesday edition.