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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, March third, twenty twenty one, Season sixteen,
Speaker 1: episode number ninety nine. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break. We are live from the SWBC Morga Studios
Speaker 1: at the Star. We are presented by Geico, and for
Speaker 1: second week in a row, we got our whole crew here,
Speaker 1: so getting used to this. Hopefully this show this week
Speaker 1: it's as good as it was last week because it
Speaker 1: was a really, really good show. It's good to have
Speaker 1: everybody in studio. Today. We're going to continue our defensive review.
Speaker 1: We talked about the defensive line last week, and this
Speaker 1: week we're going to dive into probably the most interesting
Speaker 1: position on the Cowboys right now with the linebackers. And
Speaker 1: we got a lot of questions. We got to talk
Speaker 1: about a lot of things we got to try to
Speaker 1: fix for this team. Hopefully this is a show where
Speaker 1: Jerry and Steven and Will are listening in, because my
Speaker 1: expectation is that you guys are going to give them
Speaker 1: lots of great advice on how they need to handle
Speaker 1: this position. And it was hopefully not because I don't
Speaker 1: have much good to say about That's why they need
Speaker 1: to be That's why we want them to hear what
Speaker 1: you guys have to say about this linebacker crew. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm just laughing thinking about my relationship with Will McClay
Speaker 1: and how heavily he probably weighs my opinion. I actually
Speaker 1: love I actually love the relationship you will have. It's
Speaker 1: it's kind of a It's like, if you don't know
Speaker 1: the two of you guys, you would think we'll hate you.
Speaker 1: But I know because of Will and how he is like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, we'll like you, Like he wouldn't take time
Speaker 1: to rib you the way he does if he didn't
Speaker 1: like you. I tell myself that to make myself feel better,
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure. I'm not sure that's true. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's dive right in. We're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: linebacker position later in the show. We are going to
Speaker 1: take some questions So if you have questions, you can
Speaker 1: hit us up. Just tag at Cowboys Break on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Amber can get those. But I think Amber has some
Speaker 1: questions already. Starry getting calls now that we're back in studio.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we absolutely can. You know what, Let's talk
Speaker 1: to the producer in the break, Chris Beam, and see
Speaker 1: what that's like next week or whatever. Like, no, in
Speaker 1: the in the break, let's see if we can actually
Speaker 1: get phone calls. And if we can, we will literally
Speaker 1: take a phone call here in the final segment of
Speaker 1: the show today. That's like saying, like at the pit stop,
Speaker 1: let's see if we can fix this, this and this. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we got a break in our break. It's three minutes.
Speaker 1: We can figure it out, all right. Um, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the linebacker position. I want to start with a
Speaker 1: big question about this position, and I think, honestly it
Speaker 1: is the big question of the Cowboys from a standpoint
Speaker 1: of the linebacker position. What is the bigger problem at
Speaker 1: the linebacker position for the Cowboys? Is it Jalen's play
Speaker 1: or is it Layton's inability to play or be available
Speaker 1: to play. Let's start with you, Nick, Well, they're both
Speaker 1: the same. They're both I mean they both have the
Speaker 1: same problem or they both have the same result. It's
Speaker 1: not the same problem, the same result, and that they're unreliable.
Speaker 1: So I mean it's all the still sounds the same
Speaker 1: to me, because I mean Layton, yeah, he's he's he's
Speaker 1: a good player when he's healthy, but he's not always healthy,
Speaker 1: the same as Sean Lee really and and you know,
Speaker 1: you just don't know what you're gonna get with with
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and he's not he's not playing at the
Speaker 1: level and that the price tag that they put on him.
Speaker 1: So um, I'll say it's the same because I think
Speaker 1: they're both kind of unreliable. But I have more confidence
Speaker 1: that Layton can stay healthy, which I think that's really
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do. That it is like which
Speaker 1: one is a like? Which one is a bigger problem
Speaker 1: because you can't fix it is essentially where I'm going
Speaker 1: with that. I don't I don't know. That's a tough one.
Speaker 1: I'll say Layton, all right, Amber, I get I get
Speaker 1: nick nixt logic there, But to me, I think it
Speaker 1: would be Jalen because I've been more excited of Layton
Speaker 1: at times. You know, he's shown especially in his rookie year,
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate that he's been dealing with these injuries
Speaker 1: and every year, well at least last year, he came
Speaker 1: back talking as if he that wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: a problem again, and it wasn't necessarily the neck itself,
Speaker 1: but it's still an injury in itself. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, how do you fix someone that
Speaker 1: isn't just performing well at all without an injury on
Speaker 1: the field. So that's my issue with Jalen And it
Speaker 1: wasn't something that it was just last year. To me.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a fan of what he was doing prior
Speaker 1: to that year, and I was very surprised at the
Speaker 1: contract that they gave him. So I just I feel
Speaker 1: that you're not really gonna get much more out of him,
Speaker 1: you know. It's just hard to envision him becoming any better.
Speaker 1: And I know with dan Quinn there's a lot of
Speaker 1: hope and and talks about him having the ability to
Speaker 1: develop guys and all that, but I've just I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see it happening. I'm not a
Speaker 1: huge fan of what I've seen of Jalen Smith, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to not be to not talk so bad
Speaker 1: or anything, to just be very political and all that.
Speaker 1: But Dave, take it over, Take it over. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's Jalen Smith. I think we all know that.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's an uncomfortable thing to admit because he's, you know,
Speaker 1: the one of one of the few faces of his defense.
Speaker 1: The team identified him as a cornerstone piece. They paid
Speaker 1: him like it. I mean, you know, it's a it
Speaker 1: was a discount compared to the top of the market,
Speaker 1: but he's still a seventy million dollar player and he
Speaker 1: did not play like it. And honestly, it's way more
Speaker 1: concerning because I was trying to pull up the snap count.
Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me, but I
Speaker 1: know Jalen Smith played a ton of snaps like. He
Speaker 1: wasn't hurt, he didn't miss any games, he wasn't limited.
Speaker 1: He was out there all the time, and we got
Speaker 1: to see the good and mostly the bad of that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, you can bring up dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: You know, they're going back to a scheme that they've
Speaker 1: played before, but Jalen played in that scheme in twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen and he didn't look awesome either. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: I have concerns that you know, I'm not a doctor,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't. He doesn't look as explosive or as
Speaker 1: fast to me as he used to, Like he did
Speaker 1: not make plays in twenty twenty that he could have
Speaker 1: made in twenty eighteen. Like we've brought up the Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson play a million times. It's a it's just a
Speaker 1: it's a very perfect example of the type of play
Speaker 1: he was capable bull of making at one time that
Speaker 1: we didn't see him make last year at all, or
Speaker 1: at least not often enough. It seems like he doesn't
Speaker 1: change direction very well. It seems like teams know that
Speaker 1: they can exploit that, and that's a problem if you're
Speaker 1: the centerpiece of a linebacker corps and so and it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's also alarming because what are you gonna do.
Speaker 1: I mean, you probably can't trade him because you know
Speaker 1: at you know, Jalen said turn on the tape and
Speaker 1: other teams can do that too, and that's probably not
Speaker 1: gonna go great for you. And if you cut him,
Speaker 1: you're gonna incur a cost, like it's gonna hurt your
Speaker 1: bottom line to get rid of him. And I mean
Speaker 1: there's ways you can. You can always get rid of
Speaker 1: somebody if you absolutely want to do it. But it's
Speaker 1: as we've seen in the league, this ship and always
Speaker 1: I think it's just getting started, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: because the salary cap is a problem for people. So
Speaker 1: you can always do it, but you gotta pay your quarterback.
Speaker 1: You gotta make all this stuff work. You got to
Speaker 1: come in under the cap, and you need to add
Speaker 1: players to a bad team, not get rid of them.
Speaker 1: And so that's a that's a puzzle that they've got
Speaker 1: to figure out. And I don't think there's a great
Speaker 1: answer to it because I don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: confidence that Jalen's gonna get better. And of course we
Speaker 1: can always be wrong, but that's just my opinion I have.
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of confidence that he's going
Speaker 1: to get better, and I don't know how they get
Speaker 1: out from under his contract. I think they can do it.
Speaker 1: They can do it pretty easily next year, but you
Speaker 1: got to carry him for another year before you can
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I think that. You know, there's talk
Speaker 1: of this new I mean, it's not a new defense,
Speaker 1: it's the same scheme, but he might have a new position.
Speaker 1: But what that's gonna do is that that that will
Speaker 1: just devalue um what he is. I mean, if they
Speaker 1: move him to the strong side, and that's been talked about,
Speaker 1: he'll play thirty percent of the snaps, maybe some one nickel.
Speaker 1: That's not going to justify as contract. You know, that's
Speaker 1: only gonna make it worse when you're looking at how
Speaker 1: much you're paying a guy, and you know, and so there's,
Speaker 1: like Dave said, there's just not a great answer. You
Speaker 1: can try to protect him and try to protect yourself,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't help you unless he's willing to take
Speaker 1: a pay cut, and I have this feeling he's not. Well.
Speaker 1: You know. The one thing that does interest me a
Speaker 1: little bit here is in twenty and eighteen, which I
Speaker 1: think we all agree was the best that of what
Speaker 1: we've seen from Jalen, he still had those same issues
Speaker 1: of change of direction, like the things that you talk
Speaker 1: about about him. Now, those things were present in twenty
Speaker 1: and eighteen. The difference was, for whatever reason, they didn't
Speaker 1: show up as much because there were plays he made.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was because of the role that they asked
Speaker 1: him to play, he was able to maybe hide some
Speaker 1: of those deficiencies and do things he was better at doing,
Speaker 1: which is straight line running, get him to the ball
Speaker 1: and make a play. So it makes me wonder if
Speaker 1: you take it from that standpoint, and Nick, you'll remember this.
Speaker 1: Back when Parcels came in at the time, everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: was saying Flozo Adam needs to go, like he needs
Speaker 1: to go. Parcels. First thing he said when he got
Speaker 1: here is he gotta resign. You gotta sign Flozo Adams,
Speaker 1: and and to and right. And what we found out
Speaker 1: was after they signed him, he became a really, really
Speaker 1: and by the way, he was probably a good tackle
Speaker 1: before that. But I do believe that some coaches just
Speaker 1: have a way with certain players of being able to
Speaker 1: bring the best out of them. And so the one
Speaker 1: thing that I'll go back to is, again, if we
Speaker 1: talk about twenty and eighteen, and we all agree that
Speaker 1: was his best year, and we all agree that some
Speaker 1: of the deficiencies we've seen over the last two years
Speaker 1: were still there back in twenty and eighteen, but he
Speaker 1: was playing at a different level. It does make me wonder,
Speaker 1: can a guy like Dan Queen come in here and say,
Speaker 1: you know, I have a vision for this player that
Speaker 1: will take into account all the things he doesn't do well,
Speaker 1: take into account of things he does do well, and
Speaker 1: put him in those positions more frequently. And if they
Speaker 1: can get that kind of value out of Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: that's his way to be valuable to this team. And
Speaker 1: that's I think the hope. Obviously we don't know if
Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen, but to me, that is the
Speaker 1: hope of what you expect from Jalen Smith. Translation from
Speaker 1: the people on Twitter, Derek Comparis dan Quinn to Partment
Speaker 1: no Sting. I hear it just stop hopefully hopefully that's
Speaker 1: it's not just the coach, it's the team. It's that fits.
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with what you're saying, and that
Speaker 1: is I mean that that has to be the hope.
Speaker 1: Jalen salary becomes guaranteed on the fifth day of the
Speaker 1: league year, so I mean, if they're gonna do something
Speaker 1: with him, it would have to be really soon. And
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really expect that to happen. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't. I think the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry and Stephen Jones love Jalen Smith. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think they want him to go anywhere, and
Speaker 1: I think they'd rather try to fix him, and that's
Speaker 1: what we'll see. I would guess um. You know, I
Speaker 1: am curious. You know, people talk a lot. I brought
Speaker 1: this up when dan Quinn got hired. You know, he's
Speaker 1: famous for this Leo Leo thing, which is just a
Speaker 1: weak side pass rusher. It's like it's the most overblown
Speaker 1: it's a it's not special. It's you're just a designated
Speaker 1: pass rushing linebacker on the weak side. Basically, Bruce Irvan
Speaker 1: did it for him in Seattle. Vic Beasley has done
Speaker 1: it before, so and I'm here. You know, Jalen's got
Speaker 1: straight line speed. He can do stuff like that. Maybe
Speaker 1: you use him more in that role, try to add him,
Speaker 1: you know, get some pass rush out of him, don't
Speaker 1: ask too much of him in coverage. I don't know, though,
Speaker 1: And I hope dan Quinn can help reclaim him a
Speaker 1: little bit. I just if he's gonna play off ball linebacker.
Speaker 1: Some of the things you see on tape just make
Speaker 1: you dubious that it's ever gonna be amazing. But the
Speaker 1: other thing, too, is dan Quinn's been here since January
Speaker 1: tenth or twelfth, and I haven't talked to him, have y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about what he wants to do
Speaker 1: with this defense. So that's a little bit annoying, but
Speaker 1: not much we can do about it. Right, Hopefully that
Speaker 1: changes here in the next couple of months. No, it
Speaker 1: would be cool, and it would be cool to know,
Speaker 1: like what the defensive coordinator wants from his defense and
Speaker 1: like who he might want to try to draft, all
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. He also works for McCarthy, so
Speaker 1: even if he was talking to us, well, of course
Speaker 1: he's not gonna doesn't mean he's gonna say anything, but
Speaker 1: or what he says actually is true, Like, hey, but
Speaker 1: I mean you can read between the lines. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say, even if even if they try to coach speaker,
Speaker 1: you can all always parted something out of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's better than nothing at all. Going back to Jayleen Smith,
Speaker 1: here's how I see it as you were guys who
Speaker 1: were talking about it and me remembering what it was
Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, and how I saw
Speaker 1: him as a player, which was he had the talent,
Speaker 1: he had the explosiveness in him. But my problem with
Speaker 1: him back then was that his moves were always too jerky,
Speaker 1: like he was indecisive, and that led me to think, well,
Speaker 1: he just needs to work on his instinct and that's
Speaker 1: only going to come with time and experience on the field.
Speaker 1: So there was still hope there and you saw the speed,
Speaker 1: but now it's to the point where your couple of
Speaker 1: years in and you don't see the speed anymore. He
Speaker 1: slowed down. Like his movements and the way he reacts
Speaker 1: sometimes there's confusion. He's like where should I go? It's
Speaker 1: like he to me, And I don't want to criticize
Speaker 1: him too much because I'm not in his brain or
Speaker 1: his head to really know, but but the way I
Speaker 1: see it is like he lacks focus, you know, Like
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to compare him to Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: but you look at Sean Lee, a player like him,
Speaker 1: He's a freaking focused guy. He's in the game, he's
Speaker 1: gonna know. He knows as soon as the play starts.
Speaker 1: He basically knows where the play is gonna go. Jalen
Speaker 1: not so much. He's always if you look at all
Speaker 1: his play, especially from last year, there's always a lack
Speaker 1: of hesitation and confusion that slows him down a few seconds,
Speaker 1: so that makes him behind on the play, and it
Speaker 1: just like those few seconds are super important in a
Speaker 1: game where the speed is so necessary and it just
Speaker 1: goes to buy itself fast. So to me, I don't
Speaker 1: know how as a coach you you really teach that
Speaker 1: the speed and the and the concentration and knowing, okay,
Speaker 1: where is this play gonna go and learning that you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how coachable that really is. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I would call it focus and concentration
Speaker 1: as much as I would call it preparedness because I
Speaker 1: look at a guy like Sean Lee, and the reason
Speaker 1: why I think Sean Lee is Shan Lee. The Sean
Speaker 1: leely we know is because the amount of time, or
Speaker 1: at least what we're always told about Sean Lee is
Speaker 1: the amount of time he spends really preparing for a game.
Speaker 1: I'm talking sitting and watching and watching and watching and
Speaker 1: watching film of his opponent to be able to diagnose
Speaker 1: things that he sees on film once he's in the
Speaker 1: game and quickly be able to react to them. If
Speaker 1: you're not seeing that from Jalen, my question would be,
Speaker 1: and I don't know this because I'm not with Jalen,
Speaker 1: but is he preparing in the same way that as
Speaker 1: Sean Lee prepares? Is that the issue more than focus
Speaker 1: and concentration. Is it an issue of him just not
Speaker 1: maybe preparing as much? And I don't know the answer
Speaker 1: that question hard to Yeah, the other thing too, and
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and it just seems like he
Speaker 1: guesses a lot and like that could be preparedness. I
Speaker 1: also wonder if it's compensation for like, Okay, if I
Speaker 1: wait to react act, I'm gonna be late. So I
Speaker 1: just gotta go and hopefully I'm right. And you're not
Speaker 1: going to be right all the time. Because he's a
Speaker 1: smart guy. We know this. The guy went to Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Like you don't get into Notre Dame even if you're
Speaker 1: playing football. You don't get into Notre Dame if you're dumb.
Speaker 1: The guy's smart. So it's not a comprehension issue in
Speaker 1: my opinion, which again leads me back to at least
Speaker 1: questioning if it's a preparedness problem. You know, all right,
Speaker 1: So here's the next question I have for you, guys.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Cowboys should be looking at Layton
Speaker 1: vander ash as a situation where they think they can
Speaker 1: expect different, better results than what they've gotten so far
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of his health, or do they need
Speaker 1: to and maybe not, maybe abandon is a strong word,
Speaker 1: but do they need to start looking in another direction
Speaker 1: for a more reliable linebacker? Let's start first few Dave,
Speaker 1: This is I've written about this, and it's really tough.
Speaker 1: I think I have I done the Schrodinger's Cat analogy
Speaker 1: on here before. I love that you bring that up,
Speaker 1: because that's one of my favorite books in the world.
Speaker 1: But god, I mean, I'm not smart enough to get
Speaker 1: into that. But Schrodinger's Cat's basically an experiment where you know,
Speaker 1: you release a vial of poison into a box with
Speaker 1: a cat, and you don't know whether or not it
Speaker 1: happened until you open it. So the cat is simultaneously
Speaker 1: alive and dead. Right I know, It's like different planes.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys simultaneously have two good starting linebackers and nothing
Speaker 1: at all like right now they do they have? They're like,
Speaker 1: well we got Laton Vanderesh and Jalen Smith, or like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, we need we need uh. And you know
Speaker 1: there's a subplot here. There's a subplot here too. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna keep going it's oh Sean Well, I mean
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's true, but just and I love
Speaker 1: Sean Lee, great guy, but I just I don't view
Speaker 1: him on the same level, just because at this point
Speaker 1: in his career, you know, you're probably you're not asking
Speaker 1: for a thousand snaps from you. Um, but you're right,
Speaker 1: I mean you're right, Like, as of right now, Sean,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, we got Sean leeback for one more year,
Speaker 1: or oh, Sean Lee is going to retire and probably
Speaker 1: be our linebackers coach in two years. Cool either way. Um.
Speaker 1: And and there's a subplot here where you know, you
Speaker 1: got to decide on Layton's fifth year option in May.
Speaker 1: That's probably something like ten million dollars to a guy
Speaker 1: that's missed almost a full season over the last two years.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a dicey proposition. So and if
Speaker 1: you don't do that, he's a free agent this time
Speaker 1: next year. And we just outlined everything that's wrong with Jalen,
Speaker 1: So what do you do? And I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: that there's a great answer. I think I would probably
Speaker 1: pick up Layton's contract and hope that going back to
Speaker 1: a scheme that he is excelled in having a you know,
Speaker 1: an experienced defensive coordinator, and the injuries last year, they
Speaker 1: don't they don't freak me out too much. I mean,
Speaker 1: broken collar bone, that's not a you know, that's a
Speaker 1: freak injury. Everybody rolls their ankle from time to time,
Speaker 1: like Layton would have play in the playoffs had they
Speaker 1: made it, So it's not like this debilitating thing. Um,
Speaker 1: So that's not the same to me as the neck injury.
Speaker 1: So I'd probably pick up his option and not feel
Speaker 1: great about it, but I feel a lot better than
Speaker 1: being like, well, I'm a year away from having no linebackers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and um, and i'd probably I would try to draft
Speaker 1: one somewhat highly doesn't have to be picked ten, but
Speaker 1: one of the first of those four picks, you know,
Speaker 1: two third rounders, first and second, I would try to
Speaker 1: spend one of them on a linebacker for sure. Is
Speaker 1: there's only one option to pick at ten, right, Um,
Speaker 1: maybe two? But really I mean Michael Parsons, And it
Speaker 1: sounds like from what I've heard, like none of you
Speaker 1: guys love the idea Parsons at ten. Well, oh, hold on,
Speaker 1: this is somebody that doesn't study it like them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just studying it off YouTube like everyone else. It
Speaker 1: doesn't show us bad plays, right, you're in, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I'm in. But that's all I see. Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I haven't read all the stories. I know there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of talk. He's off the field. He's been
Speaker 1: he's been in lawsuits, and he's got some maturity issues.
Speaker 1: He can get after. He's an athletic as hell, and
Speaker 1: he can get after the quarterback for sure. But if
Speaker 1: he's got maturity issues, do you think bringing him into
Speaker 1: that room is a good idea? Great question, Sean Lee
Speaker 1: in it or not? Let's assume he's not. Is that
Speaker 1: a great idea? What if he's teaching it? No? Good? Um,
Speaker 1: but go ahead. I'm sorry, No, I just took you. No,
Speaker 1: that guy that just watching his tape? And I understand
Speaker 1: Perdue in Minnesota aren't the end all be all when
Speaker 1: it comes to blocking. I get it, he's making plays,
Speaker 1: but he makes the plays that you wish Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: would make. You know, it's college, but I mean it's
Speaker 1: it's just he's unblockable. Um, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would do it at ten. But but but as
Speaker 1: what about the class from as far as second third round?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's definitely value there. I was. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think they would pick him at ten. But
Speaker 1: I love another notre damn guy by the name of
Speaker 1: Jeremiah o Wusu Coamoa. He's a that three times. He's
Speaker 1: a jack knife. He can, I mean, he's like the
Speaker 1: he's a linebacker, safety, slot corner, a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: I don't think they would draft him in tense like that.
Speaker 1: He can linebacker, yes, safety slot corner, you know who?
Speaker 1: That sounds like somebody is sitting on Nick's wall like
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys that fit that description. Linebacker, safety,
Speaker 1: slot corner. I am holy crap, I'm I mean, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't line him up in the slot and play him
Speaker 1: against Ceedee Lamb. But if he has the ability, that's
Speaker 1: just tells you a lot about his athletics. He's he's
Speaker 1: he's impressive. I don't think I'm sad a nickname joke,
Speaker 1: thank you with that, because that's what it would be
Speaker 1: or Jay okay whatever, Okay, I mean I'm sad because
Speaker 1: are you the only one that loves him? Like that
Speaker 1: or a lot of a lot of people love him.
Speaker 1: A lot of people love him, But I just I
Speaker 1: don't know that he would be a top ten picks.
Speaker 1: They're trying to sneak him at forty four now that
Speaker 1: no way. Is he one of those guys that if
Speaker 1: you trade down like that's a great pick in sixteen
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. Yes, I'm starting with David and I talked
Speaker 1: about this yesterday. I'm starting to like that idea. If
Speaker 1: it's there, if it's a trade down, and if you
Speaker 1: can get a good price for it, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good player there for you. You know, at fifteen,
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen, if you can add a second or third
Speaker 1: round pick, I would be I think I would do
Speaker 1: that less and less. You're in a seed lamp situation
Speaker 1: where somebody you thought was gone at four or five
Speaker 1: tackle is not gone. Guy, if he gets to yet ten,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you pass that up because he's
Speaker 1: he's considered to be a much better prospect than the
Speaker 1: tenth pick in the draft. Right to go back to
Speaker 1: the Parsons thing, I mean that just goes into a
Speaker 1: debate about you know, what's the value of a linebacker
Speaker 1: the same thing as running back. Right is like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you can find these guys and there's there's a
Speaker 1: million other guys. Jabril Cox, who is an LSU guy,
Speaker 1: but he's outstanding, I love, I know, I know then
Speaker 1: I hate that even bring it up. Um, there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of other guys, Dylan Moses out of Alabama, Like,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch that you could find later on. And
Speaker 1: so that's the point is like, really, you know, if
Speaker 1: all he does is tackle and kind of cover, we're
Speaker 1: really gonna draft him in the top ten. When a
Speaker 1: cornerback who can lock down the right side of our
Speaker 1: field is there for the next you know, we got
Speaker 1: we got the right side of our field taking care
Speaker 1: of for five years. If we draft Patrick's or Tan
Speaker 1: are we really gonna draft a line That's the logic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so that's why I don't think it would happen
Speaker 1: harder to find those guys for sure. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take our first break. When we come back, we'll talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about LV and that fifth year option.
Speaker 1: We'll also get into some other conversations, go a little
Speaker 1: deeper into the linebacker position and some of the players
Speaker 1: that are going to be free agents this year. We'll
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Speaker 1: of yeah, yeah, okay, one time for the Rodeo. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm worried. I'm so ready for next week
Speaker 1: for March Badness. Is gonna be fun this year. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait for March bad decision. Let's did not even
Speaker 1: you didn't realize we're there? No, it's March. I got
Speaker 1: y'all don't have a team at She was like, pretty deece.
Speaker 1: I mean, is someone gonna take over Brian's role of
Speaker 1: printing out the brackets and Nick does that? I don't
Speaker 1: don't do that. You don't haven't done that in a
Speaker 1: long time. Can you not do it this year? Yeah?
Speaker 1: At all? Yeah, Well, I'm not saying we put money on.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we do it just for fun, which
Speaker 1: is funny because Brian would ask me, oh, who's you
Speaker 1: going for ery G. I'm like, oh, let me see
Speaker 1: which name sounds better, because of course I don't know
Speaker 1: any single when when it comes down to the stories though,
Speaker 1: for brought us, I mean, everybody's got about ten. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites of all time was the year
Speaker 1: we did dating Story. I'm not I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: it at all, and just the fact, well you can't
Speaker 1: bring it up. You don't tell the whole story, the
Speaker 1: whole story, but just it's just the simple fact of
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that stupid stuff. You guys can do
Speaker 1: that if you want. I'm not doing that. So the tournament, Brian,
Speaker 1: he's like, nah, it's okay, give me a sheep, give
Speaker 1: me keep fine, I'll do it whatever. First game we
Speaker 1: go eat. First game, Ohio State is playing Dayton, and
Speaker 1: he picks Dayton because you know he probably picked him
Speaker 1: an eighty seven and anyway, and then they los to
Speaker 1: Ohio State, and I mean, he was going off. You
Speaker 1: would have thought somebody that he was Yeah, he was,
Speaker 1: just he wasn't he didn't care at first, but now
Speaker 1: that he's in, he's all in. Oh yeah, all in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was wishing bad things. It was the whole guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't tell the whole Oh yeah, don't tell these Yeah
Speaker 1: that's madness, that's what happens. Yeah, all right, let's jump
Speaker 1: back in. Let's talk some more about this defensive REVI.
Speaker 1: You were talking about the linebacker position. AG. I wanted
Speaker 1: to get your opinion on this fifth year option on
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh If you had to make the decision
Speaker 1: right now, do you take a fifth year option on him,
Speaker 1: or do you just accept the fact that he's going
Speaker 1: to be a free agent next year. I think I would.
Speaker 1: I would trust the medical staff and see what their
Speaker 1: analysis on him is and if they feel confident that
Speaker 1: he is healthy and the way he always speaks about
Speaker 1: and we know listening to him, how committed he is,
Speaker 1: and he's a hard working guy and he's going to
Speaker 1: go back in there and grind and try to get
Speaker 1: better and all that. And his issue obviously has been
Speaker 1: the health and the injury stuff. But like Dave mentioned,
Speaker 1: any none of these injuries seem to be major, And
Speaker 1: I don't believe the whole neck thing pop back Club
Speaker 1: last year that we heard, so at least I would
Speaker 1: expect him to be okay, and I would just go
Speaker 1: for it. I mean, he's I just it sucked to
Speaker 1: waste that and kind of see him go away that
Speaker 1: soon after you drafted him in the first round and
Speaker 1: you spend that money on him or you know, that
Speaker 1: pick on him and not really get that the return
Speaker 1: that you were wanting and expecting. So I would go
Speaker 1: for it. But at the same time, I definitely think
Speaker 1: they need to add more talent there, and Dave would know,
Speaker 1: and like he talked about the draft and all the
Speaker 1: that's not my area of expertise, but whether it's the
Speaker 1: draft or some a veteran guy that can come in
Speaker 1: and if they take over Jalen's role, I mean, Jalen
Speaker 1: can watch from the bench. I know he's getting a
Speaker 1: lot of money, but he can watch from over there,
Speaker 1: get upset and then maybe next time he comes in
Speaker 1: on a rotation or something he can maybe porm better.
Speaker 1: I want on the coaching Steff so bad. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. Just last segments, she was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to be politically correct. This segment is like, oh,
Speaker 1: put him on the bench. He can watch from the
Speaker 1: bench the good view over there. The harsh truth is that,
Speaker 1: like politics are a big part of it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know so aritocracy, like no, okay whatever, Like politics
Speaker 1: are a big part of it, but having a g
Speaker 1: on the sideline just be like if you want to
Speaker 1: go in, make a play next time and like because
Speaker 1: you're like no, but nobody staff is saying that to
Speaker 1: these guys, and at least not on a regular basis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be awesome, Nick, would you would you take
Speaker 1: the fifth year option? Uh? No, I'm not giving him
Speaker 1: a fifth year option because I think and if I
Speaker 1: can do this, I think I'm signing him to a
Speaker 1: long term deal. Let's try to wipe out that fifth
Speaker 1: year option. Yeah, you're going all in, Like, yeah, go
Speaker 1: ahead and give him a long term she said, But
Speaker 1: you think you gotta pay him big money right now?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. That's the thing I think
Speaker 1: you can get. I think they're at this crossroads where
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, what, help us, help you, Jerry McGuire.
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of what it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it'll be one of those situations. Let's let's don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about this. Let's don't put all this on
Speaker 1: your fourth or fifth year, and all we know you
Speaker 1: can play. I like what she said about you know,
Speaker 1: we know he's gonna work card, he's gonna grind, he's
Speaker 1: gonna do what it takes, he's gonna study, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be there. And it's the same with Shaun Lee. Shaun
Speaker 1: Lee didn't ever want to get hurt. You know, he
Speaker 1: did everything he could not to get hurt and all that,
Speaker 1: but sometimes stuff like that just happened. He's still I
Speaker 1: don't think you'd change the story at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you'd keep Sean Lee. He was good for you,
Speaker 1: he wasn't as great because of injuries. I think the
Speaker 1: same for Layton. I'm gonna start that clock. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to get a four or five year deal, try
Speaker 1: to spread it out a little bit. I will say this,
Speaker 1: and I doubt the timing of this is a coincidence,
Speaker 1: but the option deadline is always a week or two
Speaker 1: after the draft, which I you know, that's probably to
Speaker 1: allow teams to see how they can improve their roster
Speaker 1: before they have to make that decision. So you could
Speaker 1: hold off. And you know, if you come out of
Speaker 1: the draft with a badass, you know, if you use
Speaker 1: that tenth pick, then may say that's definitely even if
Speaker 1: you get I pulled I pulled up. You know, I
Speaker 1: was blanking on the names Dylan Moses, chat Serad out
Speaker 1: of North Carolina as a guy that I like a
Speaker 1: lot bar and Browning out of Ohio state, my lsu
Speaker 1: Guy cox Um. I mean, if you get a guy
Speaker 1: with one of these big picks, you can say, all right, Layton,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what happens. It's not going to
Speaker 1: pick it up, and you know, maybe we'll have to
Speaker 1: eat our words if you have a great year. But
Speaker 1: and maybe that if he does, maybe they're willing to
Speaker 1: assign him in that long term deal at that point,
Speaker 1: although it'll be market price. You can maybe they're willing
Speaker 1: to do that. Could franchise tag him if you ever
Speaker 1: get something done or by the way, or by the
Speaker 1: way at that point, as you said earlier, at that
Speaker 1: point Jalen's deal is you can depart from that, and
Speaker 1: maybe you decide we depart from the Jalen deal and
Speaker 1: we do a long term deal with with Layton, Like
Speaker 1: there there are options that you have basically if you
Speaker 1: just point for a year, if you get that guy
Speaker 1: in the draft or in free agency, right yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think this year the best way to go
Speaker 1: would probably be third or fourth round on a linebacker.
Speaker 1: I hope that you get an Anthony Hitchens. Hope you
Speaker 1: get a Damien Wilson. That Wilson didn't develop as quickly
Speaker 1: as Hitchens, but somebody like that. That North Carolina guy
Speaker 1: intrigues me a little bit. I get more intrigued a
Speaker 1: little bit with the players that I know don't have
Speaker 1: the badasses upfront. You know, the Alabama linebackers. I mean
Speaker 1: it's hit and miss something with them because you know
Speaker 1: that they're getting to play pretty clean football. But who's
Speaker 1: who's holding down the fort At North Carolina? You know now,
Speaker 1: LSU ls what they've got two or three the best
Speaker 1: linebackers in the league right now? Right Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they're not wrong, but you gotta be careful with that.
Speaker 1: Just like we don't say, oh, don't dismiss the Michigan
Speaker 1: defensive ent because Taco didn't pan out, you know, and
Speaker 1: don't compare not to name linebackers. So it's it's not
Speaker 1: don't think that either way. But I just know sometimes
Speaker 1: schemes like this scheme is translating to the NFL. And
Speaker 1: I know these fast linebackers that are coming out of LSU,
Speaker 1: I mean they're balling like they got some guys in
Speaker 1: the league right now. You look at and you like,
Speaker 1: if I can get that right, give me that. I'll
Speaker 1: take that. I don't think Jabril Cox is Devin White,
Speaker 1: but he's a pretty good player. Well, way to bring
Speaker 1: us back to earth on that starts. I was starting
Speaker 1: to say, little's go get Well, it doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: the league thinks so, either because they second or third round,
Speaker 1: but I think he's I mean, we don't have to.
Speaker 1: It's this is not the Jabril Cox hour. But he
Speaker 1: was All American at North Dakota State one like three
Speaker 1: national titles, started from the get and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want to see, like can I can I do
Speaker 1: this at the next level. Transferred to LSU and was
Speaker 1: the only good player otherwise atrocious defense. That means he's
Speaker 1: still developed. Like everything about that story, yeah me too.
Speaker 1: He was literally like I've done everything I can do
Speaker 1: at this level. Let's see how I handle the SEC.
Speaker 1: And LSU was terrible last year, but he played great.
Speaker 1: I like him. Yeah, I like that story too. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: here's the next question I got for you guys. Is
Speaker 1: linebacker position where Dallas needs and I'm going to stress
Speaker 1: the word needs to draft early or invest the quality
Speaker 1: veteran starter from free agency. Let's start first with the amber. Uh.
Speaker 1: That's a tough question just because I mean, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about it in previous weeks, just how many needs
Speaker 1: the Cowboys actually have, especially on defense. So if you
Speaker 1: find the guy that you really have a high evaluation on,
Speaker 1: I would say, go for it. It's not gonna hurt you.
Speaker 1: I know. We just talked about those two veteran guys
Speaker 1: Jalen and Layton and all that. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I just go back to watching plays from last year
Speaker 1: and it's just like, that's a really important position on
Speaker 1: the field, Like you need some help a linebacker. That's
Speaker 1: a spot where you can see how much better the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could have been had they had productive plays from
Speaker 1: their linebacker group. So to me, I do see the
Speaker 1: position as a very high need. But then again, depending
Speaker 1: on the talent and what positions, I wouldn't be opposed to. Okay,
Speaker 1: whether it's a cornerback or a safety or a defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get mad up at it either if you
Speaker 1: got someone that's a lot more talented than a linebacker.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I do see the position
Speaker 1: at a very high need right now, all right, Nick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a definite, definite need because of
Speaker 1: kind of what we said when we started the show.
Speaker 1: Do you have guys or do you have nothing? You
Speaker 1: know that wide receiver, you know you've got players. You
Speaker 1: know that, you know what you've got at other positions too,
Speaker 1: Linebackers one where it could be good, but it could
Speaker 1: be nothing. So yeah, I think, but you need to
Speaker 1: this year because of those question marks. I think you
Speaker 1: drafted them. What's early, second or third round? I'm getting
Speaker 1: one in the first two days. I think I have
Speaker 1: to have a linebacker by you know, by Friday night,
Speaker 1: you know, for the first three rounds, and that's that's
Speaker 1: four picks though right maybe we don't know yet, more
Speaker 1: than likely it could be and then you know, if
Speaker 1: we if you trade back or something like that, and
Speaker 1: in the first round. Um, yeah, I just I just
Speaker 1: think you have to get a linebacker to to add
Speaker 1: some depth. I mean, let's not forget I know it's
Speaker 1: down the list, but let's not forget that Joe Thomas
Speaker 1: and just In March are also unrestricted free agents. They
Speaker 1: may not come back this year. So if anything, you
Speaker 1: need that fourth linebacker for some depth purposes. So I'm
Speaker 1: drafting a guy relatively early that's ready to play. Dave.
Speaker 1: This conversation kind of makes me mad because like we've
Speaker 1: become we're like the We're like good cop, bad cop.
Speaker 1: We're the bad cops because like we know, you know,
Speaker 1: every year and I understand it, fans want the team
Speaker 1: to like spend in free agency and we wind up
Speaker 1: like they're not going to do that. Stop wasting your breath.
Speaker 1: And I like, I don't like saying that. I want, like,
Speaker 1: think about all the content we could create about let's
Speaker 1: the five linebackers that could make the biggest flash for
Speaker 1: the cow Like that would be great. Not gonna do that,
Speaker 1: I mean, why why why would we? Why should we? Fun?
Speaker 1: They're not gonna do it, tampering them if they're free agents?
Speaker 1: When would we do it now? They're not? Actually it
Speaker 1: might be tampering, like they are technically under cot all right,
Speaker 1: Oh the point be every year I feel like a
Speaker 1: jerk for pooh pooing on everybody's free agent dreams. But
Speaker 1: that's you know, what's the You know, Lavante David, I'd
Speaker 1: love to have him on this team. Cowboy's gonna pay
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars a year for him? No, kJ, right,
Speaker 1: of course you would. He's a great player. kJ right.
Speaker 1: You could probably even get him for cheaper. You can
Speaker 1: get him for cheaper, I think, yeah, but much is
Speaker 1: it cheap enough? And that's the point, like the cowboys
Speaker 1: typically scrape the bottom of the barrel, like is he
Speaker 1: not your Gerald McCoy kind of guy where you could
Speaker 1: get him in that kind of deal. Maybe did you
Speaker 1: think JJ Watt was gonna get sixteen million a year?
Speaker 1: Yeah you did? I actually did? Okay, well, because JJ
Speaker 1: Watts still jj Watt. There's the brand, and you pay
Speaker 1: for the brand. At this point in guy's career, who's
Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame. The point my point is, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but kJ. All it takes is somebody
Speaker 1: with a little more money to be like, hey, kJ,
Speaker 1: we'll pay you eight million a year, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the Cowboys are out, Like that's how that
Speaker 1: goes and so it's hard for me to get excited
Speaker 1: about this because they are I mean, right and and
Speaker 1: David are the big ones. But there are some other
Speaker 1: guys that are available that could improve this team. I
Speaker 1: just don't think the Cowboys will sign them. So I'm
Speaker 1: with y'all. I would I think they need a draft
Speaker 1: one by Friday Night draft. Yeah, I mean that's rounds.
Speaker 1: That's rounds one through three. One of those, you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have four picks around the top one hundred. I
Speaker 1: think one of them should be Yeah. I mean that
Speaker 1: that's not even a reach. I mean that I think
Speaker 1: in your top four picks. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think the Cowboys should trade up at all this year.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I mean I if you can get
Speaker 1: nine ten picks, pick them all because you're gonna need
Speaker 1: you need to hit on these guys. You need a
Speaker 1: sixth round pick to win on Anthony Brown, a guy
Speaker 1: like that. You need that player because Anthony Brown is
Speaker 1: still on your team, he's playing, he got a second contract.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna win on all of them.
Speaker 1: You could pick Rico Gathers, you know, you could do
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm what I'm saying is is, though,
Speaker 1: don't be trading you know your ten picks to get
Speaker 1: six or seven, No, you need ten. Yeah, you need
Speaker 1: to hit these. And that's why I love the idea
Speaker 1: of maybe trading back. You know, in fact of the
Speaker 1: matter is if you look at the areas of the
Speaker 1: team and you put them in priority order of areas
Speaker 1: where you think they need help the most, there's no
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that linebackers in the top four.
Speaker 1: So you're right by the end of Friday night. Unless
Speaker 1: you went out in free agency and you got yourself
Speaker 1: a guy, then by the end of Friday night, you
Speaker 1: absolutely need to have a guy that you drafted who
Speaker 1: is at the linebacker. Well, you know those three that
Speaker 1: three letter word that could change all of it and
Speaker 1: all of your You're we're not talking about him today,
Speaker 1: saying just saying that changes everything. Three letter I thought
Speaker 1: you said three words, and I was like, Dak deal,
Speaker 1: Like what that deal done? What is it? Rain to code?
Speaker 1: Always get that confusing rain Da coda Prescott. So that's
Speaker 1: your three words. Yeah, but that's where it all starts
Speaker 1: and ends. I think for the Cowboys, as far as
Speaker 1: you want to start talking about the roster. Yeah, you're not.
Speaker 1: This is this Uh, it's gonna be our last show
Speaker 1: without him signed. God, I hope so possible. You know
Speaker 1: something I don't know, but the deadline's coming up March. Well,
Speaker 1: but that's not really then that's that's the tag that
Speaker 1: the real deadline is obviously, what is it July? When
Speaker 1: they can when they have to stop? Yeah, you know, negotiating.
Speaker 1: You can't negotiate anymore. Like I disagree, you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: get you ain't gonna get almost be cuss, you ain't
Speaker 1: gonna get anything done if you don't. If you if
Speaker 1: he's sitting on your tag at thirty that you can't
Speaker 1: even do that right now, like right now that they
Speaker 1: couldn't do the tag. They don't have to move maneuver
Speaker 1: some things around. But I have no I'll put it
Speaker 1: to you like this, if you want to give me
Speaker 1: a if you start talking about percentage chance, I think
Speaker 1: there's personally, just again what I believe. I think there's
Speaker 1: probably a twenty percent chance they get a deal done
Speaker 1: before they have to tag him. I also think on
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, there's an eighty eighty five
Speaker 1: percent chance they get a deal done before they get
Speaker 1: to that deadline in the summer. So to me, I
Speaker 1: just again, I don't have much faith that in a
Speaker 1: week now that this is gonna get done. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. And I know these things that they can
Speaker 1: move quickly. Once you get going, you can move quickly
Speaker 1: on them. Just don't have faith in that. If that happens,
Speaker 1: then I don't see Jalen Smith on the team. I don't.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, Okay, we're back to lineback. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a way to bring it back. Wait,
Speaker 1: if Dak gets tagged, you mean yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: June first, these guys, you're gonna two guys you have
Speaker 1: to put as June first, June first cuts. Get him
Speaker 1: off the roster now and then you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: June first, that's when that's when it'll hit the cap.
Speaker 1: So I mean I I him and who else? Who's
Speaker 1: another June first? Possibility? It don't stay seventy seven. No,
Speaker 1: he's a pole. No it's possile. No, it's not possible.
Speaker 1: It's possible. You ain't got no options, Like, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do if you say we're gonna say bye
Speaker 1: by to him, like, what are you gonna do Northwestern tackle? Look,
Speaker 1: they don't have a backup tackle right now, let alone
Speaker 1: another starter. We saw how that went last year. That
Speaker 1: is not an option. That's why I just, that's why
Speaker 1: I'm just I can't understand why they're not gonna try
Speaker 1: to get this done both sides, because if I'm Dak,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I want to have some players this year.
Speaker 1: I want to try to help. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this year could be almost a wash if they have
Speaker 1: to play on thirty eight million, And I mean I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I'm sure we compete good. Sorry
Speaker 1: to go back to what you mentioned about the cut,
Speaker 1: Like on Jyle, what happens with that money? Like it
Speaker 1: does he get distributed? As far as that, you don't
Speaker 1: get that hit full when you hit right there, when
Speaker 1: you June first a guy, you just spread the money
Speaker 1: that you're losing. It spreads out over two years. So
Speaker 1: if if you cut him, I just had it pulled up.
Speaker 1: Cut him now, if you cut him, if you cut
Speaker 1: him today, just and it's just straight out cut, it's
Speaker 1: like twenty four million or something crazy like that. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a nine million. I'm sorry. I got I got
Speaker 1: Zeke and Jalen confused, I'm I'm writing I'm writing about
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'm writing about Zeke right now. So that's
Speaker 1: a huge hit. Um, if you June first, Jalen, uh,
Speaker 1: he would only hit your cap for three million this
Speaker 1: year and seven next year, and you would Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you want It's it's not hard to do it. If
Speaker 1: you want to do it, it's just a matter of again,
Speaker 1: how confident are they that he can do something? But
Speaker 1: to think about that, like, I don't know that I
Speaker 1: can't come up with another name off the top of
Speaker 1: my head of a guy that I would say is
Speaker 1: another guy like Jalen where it doesn't completely debilitate you
Speaker 1: to cut them, but you can cut them for enough
Speaker 1: that helps you be able to get Dak on the tag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right right, there's not. But then but then that changes
Speaker 1: your you know when we said, got to get a
Speaker 1: guy in the first two you know, two nights of
Speaker 1: the draft, first three rounds. Um, that changes things if
Speaker 1: you cut him, you know, now you're now you're sitting
Speaker 1: here with Layton Vanders who was banged up last year.
Speaker 1: And then well you're also begging Sean hey Man, just
Speaker 1: In case, can you just hang out for a minute,
Speaker 1: don't you know. I'm just saying, like, you gotta convince him,
Speaker 1: like I don't leave town, just hang out for a minute.
Speaker 1: We may need, we may need. He's probably on the
Speaker 1: West Coast because I know he goes there in the offseason,
Speaker 1: and he's just give me a call. Yeah back, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll meet yeah, persolutely perfect. I just want to have
Speaker 1: him on the line in case I need. But the
Speaker 1: other I mean, we've seen this too, is if they
Speaker 1: have to, they can restructure so many of these is true.
Speaker 1: I know not everybody loves that, but that's that's the
Speaker 1: world you're living in right now. Until they figure something out.
Speaker 1: All we're gonna take our final break when we come back.
Speaker 1: We got a couple more questions on linebacker. We're gonna
Speaker 1: try to get to a phone call because Chris tells
Speaker 1: us that we can make a phone call. Now. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see if I can remember this phone number. I
Speaker 1: think it is one eight eight eight eight five five
Speaker 1: two two ninety seven. Is that correct, Chris? He's not
Speaker 1: listening all right, eight d eight eight eight eight eight
Speaker 1: five five two to nine seven. We will try to
Speaker 1: get at least one call from someone who has been
Speaker 1: sitting on the line since last year this time, and
Speaker 1: hopefully we can answer the question. The questions may be
Speaker 1: the same because there were a lot of the same
Speaker 1: questions that were still doing right now. We'll do that
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Speaker 1: At the start, we're presented by Geico and we're talking
Speaker 1: about linebackers. We do have a phone caller on the
Speaker 1: on the line. We're going to get to him in
Speaker 1: just a second. I did have a couple questions real
Speaker 1: quick that I wanted to hit about linebacker, and we
Speaker 1: don't have to go too far in depth. But first
Speaker 1: question is, if you could only resign one of these guys,
Speaker 1: who would you resign? Joe Thomas or Justin March Dave,
Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Joe Thomas. I like Justin March
Speaker 1: a lot, But Joe, Joe has started and can't start,
Speaker 1: and does a decent job when he's asked to do so,
Speaker 1: and he's also just as valuable to the special teams.
Speaker 1: He's also very valuable special teams. Yeah, he's I don't
Speaker 1: know how old he is, but he's he's not. He's
Speaker 1: probably closer to the end of his career than the beginning,
Speaker 1: so I assume he wouldn't be that expensive. Sorry, Amber,
Speaker 1: I agree, and because of he has implanted more in
Speaker 1: my memory than justin So Joe Thomas, I mean he's
Speaker 1: a guy that I can easily remember more that he's
Speaker 1: done more for the team. So yeah, like they've said,
Speaker 1: if it's a good deal, affordable, why not same. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can play, and he can start. And with this,
Speaker 1: with those guys on the front, you have to have
Speaker 1: that fourth linebacker has to have starting experience. So and
Speaker 1: plus he's a big time hitter, he really does. I mean,
Speaker 1: he brings the wood on. So I'd like having him
Speaker 1: out there. And so no Thomas all the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's the key is to me, he's a starter.
Speaker 1: He's a starter that you get as a backup. So
Speaker 1: I think from that standpoint, I would I would love
Speaker 1: for them to resign him. Final question, Um, what have
Speaker 1: you seen or heard regarding the development of the two
Speaker 1: younger linebackers that we've talked a little bit on this show.
Speaker 1: They didn't play a ton last year, but they did
Speaker 1: play some. You got Luke Gifford, and you got Francis
Speaker 1: Bernard Nicholet's start with you. Um, you know, I think
Speaker 1: I think Bernard's issue is gonna be speed. You know,
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's got that speed. But you know,
Speaker 1: he makes some plays. He made some Uh, He's a
Speaker 1: guy I'd love to see in the preseason. I would love,
Speaker 1: you know, preseason games for him. I think he will
Speaker 1: be a guy that kind of he might just be
Speaker 1: a gamer. Uh, didn't do a whole lot in the
Speaker 1: in the in the games where he played some on
Speaker 1: special teams. But I think he's a guy that could
Speaker 1: really develop in the preseason. And then I'll let them
Speaker 1: talk about Gifford if no stuff, but I mean I'll
Speaker 1: just take him. I think Bernard's a guy that we
Speaker 1: saw some good things. I'd like to see him play more. Um. Well, look, Gifford,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that two years ago, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people talked about. Yeah, I loved him. He
Speaker 1: has a perfect linebacker mold that fits Shawn Lee and
Speaker 1: Layton and Jayleen type of body. So he just looked
Speaker 1: right in the group. As far as that, you know,
Speaker 1: the injuries, I forgot what kind of injuries he had.
Speaker 1: It was like leg issues apension too, so yeah, a suspension. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that affected him and it's just unfortunate. Even last year,
Speaker 1: I think he was injured during training camp a bit.
Speaker 1: Was it was it because I remember he wasn't on
Speaker 1: the field that much. I forgot for whatever reason. But
Speaker 1: the point is we haven't seen much from him, and
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. And then with Bernard, he's a guy that
Speaker 1: last year caught a lot of people's attention as well.
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily he doesn't necessarily have that mold of
Speaker 1: the linebacker and the body and the height and the
Speaker 1: you know, bulky body. But he's a guy that although
Speaker 1: his size, he was still making plays on the field
Speaker 1: and he I mean it wasn't because of his hair
Speaker 1: that you were noticing him on the field. He was
Speaker 1: out there doing stuff. So I was excited about him
Speaker 1: as well. But then again, once the season got started,
Speaker 1: we didn't really get a chance to see much of them,
Speaker 1: and then whenever we did, it wasn't necessarily anything impressive.
Speaker 1: So I think it's more of like Nick said, preseason,
Speaker 1: hopefully we get to see some of that and then
Speaker 1: just them allowing giving them more opportunities, which that's the
Speaker 1: only way we're really going to get to see how
Speaker 1: they perform on the field. I just don't think they've
Speaker 1: had enough chances for us to really get a good
Speaker 1: evaluation on our end. I'm sure they do have a
Speaker 1: better evaluation, but from us watching from the outside, it's
Speaker 1: just kind of hard to tell right now. Francis Bernard
Speaker 1: actually played in thirteen games last year. I didn't I
Speaker 1: special teams, Yeah, yeah, but I would I still I
Speaker 1: would have guessed like eight maybe, So I just you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's like a pipeline. I look at it. As
Speaker 1: you know, we just talked about March and Thomas. You
Speaker 1: probably bring one of those guys back, and you probably
Speaker 1: don't bring the other one. And like, it doesn't really
Speaker 1: matter to me that much at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: which I prefer Joe Thomas, but if they prefer Justin,
Speaker 1: that's fine. But you're not going to resign every bit
Speaker 1: player to a second contract. And that's what like, that's
Speaker 1: what Gifford and Francis Bernard are here for. They're going
Speaker 1: to step in and be your special teams gadget guy
Speaker 1: who could maybe step in and is maybe a developmental
Speaker 1: player if they go on to you know, if they
Speaker 1: catch somebody's eye and the coaches, you know, dan Quinn's like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, like we got something here that's awesome, and
Speaker 1: that happens sometimes, but you can't count on it. And
Speaker 1: that's so you know, I'm not gonna let it either
Speaker 1: of these guys stop me from drafting a linebacker highly
Speaker 1: because that's you know, that's where you find those guys
Speaker 1: and bring these guys to training camp. They'll have a
Speaker 1: role on special teams. They can round out your depth chart,
Speaker 1: and if you get anything more from them, that's great,
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't put super high expectations on
Speaker 1: guys like that. All right, for the first time in
Speaker 1: a year, we're about to go to the phone lines.
Speaker 1: We got a phone call from a fan who has
Speaker 1: a question for the crew. Steve from Virginia. Steve, what up? Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm the first caller. That's pretty impressive. Yeah, yeah, glad
Speaker 1: to have you back right to hear it from that, right,
Speaker 1: A lot of pressure exactly. I'm steel sec. I watch
Speaker 1: yourls listen to your show. I actually watch it, you know,
Speaker 1: servery day. Thank you. Um My question is I don't
Speaker 1: understand why there's no talk about transition tagging with back
Speaker 1: so you can find out. Everybody argues about what Dack's
Speaker 1: worth this and that whatever, put him out there and say,
Speaker 1: guess what, go find out what's you're worth. You still
Speaker 1: have a right for first refusal and if somebody taking
Speaker 1: you on page you get two number one. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's Well, you know you're right. Technically
Speaker 1: you are, you're right. We had a mail bad question
Speaker 1: about something similar on this too, about letting you know,
Speaker 1: lett him go and see, but it's they want to
Speaker 1: sign him and I think he wants to sign here too,
Speaker 1: So it's it's you know, it's it's just like any relationship.
Speaker 1: I mean, what if you said, hey, go out and
Speaker 1: see if you can get somebody better. If you can
Speaker 1: get someone better, then let's see. Let me wait, let
Speaker 1: me weigh my options. What if that was a real relationship,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna go well, obviously not that I'm the
Speaker 1: one to give it advice, but I'm just saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that's not gonna that's not gonna hurt
Speaker 1: that that's gonna hurt. Too many feelings on both sides.
Speaker 1: If you start doing that, he's the guy that you
Speaker 1: say is then goes sign and build do a transition
Speaker 1: tag to see if you can get a better deal. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm this is quibbling a little bit. It's it's you're
Speaker 1: actually talking about the non exclusive franchise tag because the
Speaker 1: transition tag, the transition tag doesn't offer you compensation if
Speaker 1: you lose the player. Yeah, but there's there's two. There's
Speaker 1: two franchise tags, exclusive and non exclusive. So the non
Speaker 1: exclusive would allow Dak to talk to whoever he wants.
Speaker 1: Somebody can make him an offer. You're right, cowboys have
Speaker 1: the right at first fusel if they if they don't
Speaker 1: feel like matching, they get two first round picks. And
Speaker 1: I can see the logic, honestly, Like, I get why
Speaker 1: people feel that way. I guess my point is if
Speaker 1: you do that, you're losing Dak. In my opinion, I mean,
Speaker 1: because there's somebody with more money who needs a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's going to happen in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you lose him that way.
Speaker 1: And yes, two first round picks is that's nice, but
Speaker 1: is it enough to offset losing a franchise quarterback, like
Speaker 1: the is that enough? And some people think so, I
Speaker 1: think not. I think the Cowboys probably think not because
Speaker 1: what are those picks? Like who who is? Uh? Like,
Speaker 1: who's who's offering dak? I mean if it's the San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers, so you're gonna get picked twelve
Speaker 1: and then their pick next year? Is that good enough? Is?
Speaker 1: I mean? But if he's but if he's franchise, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get not gonna get anything. Everybody agrees that if
Speaker 1: they franchise him, he's walking next year. You can't pay
Speaker 1: him nothing. And I mean when the other complaint that
Speaker 1: God is every time the players do this, the players scream,
Speaker 1: it's a business. It's a business. I gotta take care
Speaker 1: of my family. It's a business. Well, if it's a
Speaker 1: business for one side, it's a business for the other
Speaker 1: side too. And you can't worry about hurting feelings you
Speaker 1: got you gotta run this business. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what's hurt to Cay a Cowboys plan. I fifty four
Speaker 1: years old and a Cowboys fan my whole life, and
Speaker 1: and it's just like wow, the decisions they make some time,
Speaker 1: And I know that that you know everybody, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to pickle him. The guy too bad.
Speaker 1: But my brothers know there's a guy named Crawford out
Speaker 1: there and he's got he's got naked pictures of somebody.
Speaker 1: I don't know how in the world he's been on
Speaker 1: the field this moment. Oh Tyrone, Yeah, Hey, here's here's
Speaker 1: the other thing. I think you gotta remember. We appreciate
Speaker 1: the call, We appreciate the call. But here's here's the
Speaker 1: other thing. I think we got to remember here. And
Speaker 1: I want to say, this is the situation that happened
Speaker 1: with Steve Hutchinson where he was with I want to
Speaker 1: say Seattle and then went and he was a non
Speaker 1: exclusive that went to visit Minnesota, and Minnesota basically put
Speaker 1: a contract out there. And I want to say the
Speaker 1: term they use was poison bill. But essentially what happens
Speaker 1: is the team says, Okay, the money could be comparable.
Speaker 1: It could be something that the other team says, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll match that. Here's the problem. The contract could say
Speaker 1: something like you have to play three games a total
Speaker 1: of at least three games in the in the state
Speaker 1: of Minnesota every year. Right, there's no way Seattle can
Speaker 1: agree to that, Minnesota can agree to that. And so
Speaker 1: what happens is essentially, I think you have to The
Speaker 1: evaluation you got to make here as to whether you
Speaker 1: do an exclusive versus a non exclusive free agent tender
Speaker 1: is essentially, do you want the player? Because if you
Speaker 1: want the player, you better not do non exclusive Because
Speaker 1: what happens if let's let's play this out. What happens
Speaker 1: if Washington says to him, hey, man, we we'd like
Speaker 1: to have you, and and we'll pay you a little
Speaker 1: bit more, maybe it's a dollar more, but we're also
Speaker 1: going to put a poison pill in there that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can't match. And if Dad want if Dak wants
Speaker 1: to stick it to the Cowboys, which could be the case,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he does, but if if he looks
Speaker 1: at it like, hey, I take the same money to
Speaker 1: go play somewhere else because I just feel like this
Speaker 1: negotiations and the going anywhere, then you leave it up
Speaker 1: to everybody else to make the decision whether you're going
Speaker 1: to get that player. The player the other team like
Speaker 1: they can do things that basically say you cannot match this.
Speaker 1: There's no way for you to match this and essentially
Speaker 1: the player's gone. So if you don't want to lose
Speaker 1: the player, you gotta do exclusive pills. Did they They
Speaker 1: might have? But how but how do you how do
Speaker 1: you ensure that? Because there are certain things that like,
Speaker 1: there are ways to do it right. That one, that
Speaker 1: one one is just a blatant one, But there are
Speaker 1: other things you can do that makes it very tough
Speaker 1: for a team to they're able to match. There's other like,
Speaker 1: I mean, with all due respect, like I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: care about that. The thing for me is um and
Speaker 1: I think I think he makes a really interesting point,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't know if the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are always as ruthless as they need to be because
Speaker 1: the star and the image of it. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's different here, you know, well, I mean, you know
Speaker 1: you're playing on you don't think the Cowboys front office
Speaker 1: as ruthless as it needs to be, not always always.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Travis Frederick, it's well, okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying no, no, I'm saying they could go get his
Speaker 1: money if they wanted to. Oh, oh, I don't even
Speaker 1: get and I'm not thinking about the money. I thought
Speaker 1: you were talking my dis from standpoint of players, keep
Speaker 1: them or don't keep them, well, I think I think
Speaker 1: having obviously you need great players to win, but like
Speaker 1: having stars, like it matters, Michael Irvin is Michael Irvin
Speaker 1: and Emmett Smith and like that matters to this organization,
Speaker 1: and there's value in that for whatever it's worth. But
Speaker 1: maybe they should have played hardball with Zeke. Maybe they
Speaker 1: should have said, you're a running back, be here or
Speaker 1: you don't get your money. We're not paying you two
Speaker 1: years ahead of time. Like but and having said that,
Speaker 1: and people have said that sense and maybe it's fair.
Speaker 1: Maybe they could have said, you sit out at all
Speaker 1: year if you want to, but we're not paying you
Speaker 1: two years ahead of time to be a running back. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't know if quarterback is the spot to play
Speaker 1: that game. I don't know if the most important position
Speaker 1: in the game for a guy that's done everything right
Speaker 1: is the right spot, not only because you need dak
Speaker 1: to win, but also the message that it sends to
Speaker 1: the rest of your locker room. And that's a big one,
Speaker 1: I think. And then on top of it, and we're
Speaker 1: purely in the realm of fantasy here, but if you
Speaker 1: want to play hardball and deal Dak put the exclusive
Speaker 1: tag on him, and then you decide the price. Screw
Speaker 1: two first round picks. You say you're under the exclusive tag.
Speaker 1: If you want to go somewhere else, we will find
Speaker 1: us a deal and we'll get it done. But we're
Speaker 1: determining the price, not the league rules, and we're determining
Speaker 1: where you go. So don't bring us Washington. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not doing Washington, right. So, yeah, you're right, you could
Speaker 1: still get the benefits of having an exclusive while you
Speaker 1: have our exclusive. Right. There are ways, And like I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys should probably be a little bit better at
Speaker 1: playing hardball because I mean with the last few of
Speaker 1: these deals, it's been a lot of talk and then
Speaker 1: the player gets what he wants. I mean, Zeke did,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus did, all right, So but my point being is,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that Dak is the guy
Speaker 1: to play that game with. We should be ending the show,
Speaker 1: but we got a call from Philip and France, so
Speaker 1: I think we kind of got to take this call.
Speaker 1: Have anywhere to be all right, let's go what you got.
Speaker 1: I think it's good to talk to you again. You know,
Speaker 1: I got a just a simple thing to say. Since
Speaker 1: you're talking about linebackers, I do believe that's the linebacker
Speaker 1: plays would have been better. Let's sit in if we
Speaker 1: had something stronger and bigger in the middle of the
Speaker 1: d lineman, I'd like to know what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: about it? Thanks for ticking, Michael, take care and be safe.
Speaker 1: But polutely, that's a good call. It's a good question
Speaker 1: do all we are Are we undervaluing the play of
Speaker 1: the linebackers because maybe they didn't have that consistent big
Speaker 1: body in the middle of the defense to keep people
Speaker 1: off of them. Yeah, I mean I've I've said it
Speaker 1: for years. I mean, some of the best linebackers of
Speaker 1: all time. I've had those big guys up front. And
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see with this new
Speaker 1: defense that you know we keep hearing about or not new,
Speaker 1: they're going to go back to a scheme that we've
Speaker 1: seen here before. But I wonder what that means for
Speaker 1: the defensive tackles, you know, because I believe when Seattle
Speaker 1: had a Brandon Mebaine, I think he played with Dan Quinn. Mean,
Speaker 1: he's big dude, so so I think that they will
Speaker 1: have some some beef up there. I think it's a
Speaker 1: good point. I'd like to see a little bit more
Speaker 1: guys that are focused on stopping the run and not
Speaker 1: these big body guys that can get up the field.
Speaker 1: That's nice Gallimore, Tristan Hill and all that. I do
Speaker 1: want a guy that's interested in just staying right here.
Speaker 1: I'm just not getting anybody getting pushed back. I'm not
Speaker 1: really motioning a lot forward. We're just gonna hold hold
Speaker 1: the middle right here. That's the guy I want. So
Speaker 1: I think I think it would affect the linebackers for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it would help. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: would fix everything, but for sure it would help. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, they did signed on Tari Poe didn't work out,
Speaker 1: but maybe that means they're more willing to consider those
Speaker 1: types of things. I still don't think they would draft
Speaker 1: like a pure nose tackle super high. But you can
Speaker 1: get those kind of guys later too, right, you know,
Speaker 1: the big body guy that's just going to be a
Speaker 1: two down player anyway. I'll be interested to see what
Speaker 1: they do with that, because, like I, I think there's
Speaker 1: a non zero chance Gerald McCoy winds up back here. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I would like that, ye sent maybe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think there's a chance. And then you know,
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods is easy to keep if you want to
Speaker 1: keep him. And then you got the two young draft
Speaker 1: picks Hill and Gallimore. I mean, yeah, I'll be I would.
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see what they do with that.
Speaker 1: I hope that they try to add some beef for sure.
Speaker 1: Gallimore was not a little duty either, And I wonder
Speaker 1: how much an offseason of him working out with these trainers,
Speaker 1: if that gets into a point where he develops into
Speaker 1: that kind of body, well you could put him in
Speaker 1: those situations a little bit more. I don't know, that's
Speaker 1: not really been he was brought here to be. He's
Speaker 1: more of a three technique guy. But I do wonder
Speaker 1: if if you kind of bulk him up a little bit,
Speaker 1: could he do that? Yeah, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want to do that, because you know, I remember
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma said he's the quic defensive lineman
Speaker 1: they've they've seen. He's not supposed to be moving that quick,
Speaker 1: and we saw him kind of dart into the backfield
Speaker 1: several times. I like that quick. I mean, he's big enough.
Speaker 1: But then you got two guys doing that like that's
Speaker 1: what Tristan is, right, That's okay because those guys can
Speaker 1: rotate absolutely. I guess my only point though, is if
Speaker 1: he's if he's that quick and athletic, can you and
Speaker 1: these trainers wouldn't know, can you bulk him up without
Speaker 1: losing that? How much? Can you bulk him up without
Speaker 1: losing that? And if you can get a guy that's
Speaker 1: bigger and only loses a little bit of the athleticism,
Speaker 1: but he still has a little bit of that, but
Speaker 1: he can also hold up at the point, now you
Speaker 1: might have yourself a really great asset that you can
Speaker 1: go at one technique or three technique. Right. Maybe I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I don't know all that. I
Speaker 1: just think I wouldn't want to change what he is.
Speaker 1: He got a lot of pressures last year based off
Speaker 1: his snaps. I mean he didn't. He didn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of snaps, and his snaps are pressures to snaps ratio,
Speaker 1: if that's even the thing is about as good as
Speaker 1: anybody in the league, especially for rookies. Yeah, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: All right. Appreciate you guys joining us. We are back
Speaker 1: next Wednesday, normal time, eleven thirty two. Next week we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about free agency. Free agency will be starting
Speaker 1: the week after that, so we're gonna walk through a
Speaker 1: lot of different questions around free agents, not only the
Speaker 1: Cowboys free agents, but also free agents around the league.
Speaker 1: And each of these guys are going to tell you
Speaker 1: a few of the guys that maybe they are looking
Speaker 1: at that they would like the Cowboys to consider, even
Speaker 1: though Dave says, if we know they're not going to
Speaker 1: do it, but we'll at least have some fun with it.
Speaker 1: She'll see if there are some free agents. And also
Speaker 1: next week we'll have some more phone calls. It was
Speaker 1: nice to hear from some of the fans. We'll keep
Speaker 1: that going until then for Nick, even Dave, helmt amber Garcia.
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