1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: So I want to start, you know, with with with 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: sports fans. So I want to have a sports conversation 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: if we can, sure. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: You where you're at right now? La since rest? You 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: know what, God not this that. 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: The level of disrespect that Lebron has received is pretty 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: historic when you really think about it, right from Dylan 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: Brooks saying he's the most overrated player in the league, 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: the dude in Cleveland saying that it's Donovan Mitchell City. 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: Now, I don't know. 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: I just feel like this is Michael Jordan when he 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: was at the tail end of his career playing with 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: the Washington Wizards. He was They had so much reverence 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: for Michael Jordan or even Kobe's last season. I feel 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: like it's just why are the why are people so 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: disrespectful to somebody that's in the tail end of his 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: career and has only done. 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: Great things in the league asking for a friends? Asking 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: for a friends? You know, you know what's weird this happened? 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: Well, you got to think about how the history of 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: the league and Magic and Bird and Michael, they kind 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: of made it mainstream. So I can't be I can't 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: make anyone on their villains just yet. I have to 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 3: have people fall in love with the story. So Larry Bird, 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: Mazie Johnson, East versus West, white boy, black guy. Then 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: Michael flies in the air. So it was marketing more entertainment. 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: So to speak. 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 3: And then now that they got you hooked and they 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: got good versus evil kind of thing, and whatever city 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: you're from, I believe that now kind of like reality 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: show Kardashianis and all the housewives and all this other stuff, 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: they like drama. So I think advertiser said scratch and 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: his said, ah, it's an entertainment. Drama sells better than 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: just the good old keeping everything cool. So when you 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: go on these talk shows, as far as the sports ones, 36 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: I can bash bash bash. Oh that's more ratings, okay, cool, 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: bash bass Oh that's more ratings. 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: Okay cool. 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: Because if everybody say all good stuff, it's boring to 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: the entertainment world. 41 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: That's just my you know, my thing. 42 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: And I think that started kind of like late two thousands, right, 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: so you didn't hear it about Mike or Charles or 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: Robin kind of thing where it was like everybody's a villain, right, 45 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: someone's always saying something negative about only five thousand of 46 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: us that ever played this game right. 47 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: And then another thing too is it's like you go 48 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: to any park. 49 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: It's no other sport in the world where everyone thinks, 50 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 3: even when they just know basketball, that they can play 51 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: to their level that we played at. There's no other 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: sport like that, No baseball, no tennis, no nothing. Everything 53 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 3: is man, I get me five or ten on him. 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: This guy's trash, you know what I mean. And you're 55 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 3: looking like, yo, come on, don That's how it works, 56 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, like, guys are pretty good open here. Yeah, 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: are we in a scary time for the NBA? 58 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 4: Because I look at the ratings and they say, like, yes, 59 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 4: you know, Christmas wasn't all time high and the ratings 60 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 4: and I'm a fan, a diehard fan, you see. I'm 61 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 4: in my Bulls Derry Rose retirment jacket tonight and I'm 62 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 4: thinking to myself, I can't tell you where the games 63 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 4: are right like, they're streaming everywhere, all over. 64 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: The place, which makes it tough. 65 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 4: The other part of it is that and we gotta 66 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 4: be careful with Lebron because he's a mega star in 67 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: this space. Curry's a megastar. I put Durant right on 68 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 4: that level. But if we're not careful, we won't be able. 69 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: To have another mega star. 70 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: I don't who's the next mega star that they can 71 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: build that story around. 72 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: A great question. I would say, who's my favorite? Who 73 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: can be the mega mega megastar? Is Anthony Ewards? His 74 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: his character, the way he he's a dog, all of 75 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: that is just like phenomenal to me. 76 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: About Winby, I don't know if he's a megastar because 77 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: see Winby. Listen. 78 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: I love Winby, and please I don't want him to 79 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: no one to take inside of contest. He's kind of 80 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 3: like he's very French. He's very it's very like snooty 81 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: kind of thing. So it's like he he's moody, you 82 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like he's a moody individual. Now 83 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: I love him, right, the guy is on point, especially 84 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: at such a young age. But Anthony Edwards has a 85 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: lot more character at the moment to be that right, 86 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: because you know he's from the hood and he can joke, 87 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: but he'll come back at you and it's I mean, 88 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: it's just it's just a little something different. Now I 89 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 3: would I would say Winby, yeah, but I haven't seen 90 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: his personality. We've seen Anthony Edwards, every phase of him. 91 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 4: I think the interesting part with because I would agree 92 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 4: with you with Aunt, is just that we live in 93 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 4: the world of social media, so it's not just the 94 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 4: onder court things, like the marketing is great, but then 95 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 4: we got the a court things. 96 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: I feel like when of the league thought Zion was 97 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: going to be that guy, and. 98 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: Now we hear the court things when Joe was supposed 99 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 4: to be the guy, then we see the off the 100 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 4: court things. It becomes a little tricky right to say, like, hey, 101 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 4: go support this is going to be the face of 102 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 4: the league. 103 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: That's right. 104 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: So now think about it, Mike, Charles, Dennis, everybody. This 105 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: was no social media, so they couldn't gauge it of 106 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: what the fans wanted to see. 107 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: More of drama, cleanness, this. 108 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: That, and then the league is just starting, so I 109 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 3: can't put all your business out there in the streets 110 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: because we need the fans. Now it's NBA is solidified, 111 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: so I can because of social media, I can put 112 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: that out there if I really want to. Because the 113 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: the you know, the the polls are showing that drama sells. 114 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: So Anthony Ever's with the baby mama, So this person 115 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 3: with this, this person with d oh yeah, but he's 116 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: still playing hard. 117 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: It's like it's a lot of fluff. 118 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: So, I mean, I think that's why they promoted it 119 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: like that, because that's what the world want to see 120 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: more as much as they don't want to see it. 121 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: They want to see drama, they want to see noise, 122 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: they want to see reality show type of stuff also 123 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 3: at the same time. But you know, I me personally 124 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: between Wenby and Anthony Evers, I would pick Anthony Evers 125 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: because he's maturing slowly, but he's still that's megastar. 126 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: So you was a hell of a player in your 127 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: in your day, and you know, you came up traditionally, 128 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: right like as far as high school, college, NBA, we're 129 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: seeing a change and that happen now where Nil has 130 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: really changed the dynamic, where like Rick Patino said, he's 131 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: no longer recruiting college high school players. Yeah, and you've 132 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: got kids that's twenty five years old playing in college 133 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: and kids, some kids in college are making more money 134 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: than professional athletes. 135 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: I couldn't have did it. 136 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: I couldn't have did it. I could twenty years old 137 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: brom getting six fast, seven figures. I'm out of control. 138 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 3: Were you out of mine. 139 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: You're gonna be the mayor. You're gonna be the governor 140 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: of Rhode Island. Well man, listen, you hear me. 141 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now I had boats all just 142 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 3: govern run out. 143 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: Do you think that it's ruining Do you think that 144 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: it's ruining basketball? I don't let me tell you why. 145 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: I don't. 146 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: Fam is because this transition happened in the eighties with 147 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: NBA players. Okay, there was guys that were drinking still 148 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: at halftime or smoking cigarettes and you know, maybe doing 149 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: drugs wherever it is. And that's every sport that wasn't 150 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: just no basketball. But my point is it was like 151 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: it was new money, and it was new environment, it 152 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: was new situations. 153 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: So it's going to be an ugly little. 154 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: Situation that's going on for these college guys getting that 155 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: bulk of money in their families and everything like that. 156 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: I think it's a blessing. 157 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: The silver lining behind it kind of like the Trump thing, right, 158 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: The silver lining behind it is someone has to sacrifice 159 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: for us, for us to see what we should not. 160 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 3: Do you understand, So as bad as it may look, 161 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: it's not gonna stop in il deals, not gonna stop 162 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: kids getting paid now, it's already started. So now the 163 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: kids in the future will say, Okay, you know what, 164 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna get ira, I'm gonna 165 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: do this. 166 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: I'm on it. I'm gonna live off of two thousand 167 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: a month. 168 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do It's gonna they're gonna see it the 169 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: Russell Westbrooks of the world of Chris Paul's, the. 170 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony's, Lebron James. 171 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: You know, you see it become It's not just Michael 172 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 3: and Larry Bird and you know Isaiah Thomas and you 173 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: know Magic Johnson. It's a whole bunch of guys that 174 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: are businessman now. So it's gonna be ugly for sake. Second, 175 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 3: until it gets to that point where guy's a lot more. 176 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: You know, money is money, and let's figure out how 177 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: we can make it last.