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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Bets on Campus Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: episodes of the New BCS. It's going to be next Thursday,

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Speaker 1: them back. But this here in G five Land is

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Speaker 1: our second part of our Draft special, as we like

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Speaker 1: to call it, graduation Day. All of our G five

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Speaker 1: heroes working their way up, hopefully hearing their name called

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Speaker 1: in Kansas City, having a team by the end of

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Speaker 1: draft weekend. Some of these guys perhaps could be undrafted

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Speaker 1: free agents, but we're going to get into all of

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Speaker 1: them in this particular episode, going through position by position

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Speaker 1: the players. We really like trying to give you a

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Speaker 1: little insight for some of those, you know, keeper leagues,

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Speaker 1: dynasty leagues, Campus to canon, whatever fantasy format you're playing,

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Speaker 1: the lifeblood of it is catching these rookies early and

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Speaker 1: making sure that you are on the bandwagon as early

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Speaker 1: as we were in some cases. You know these guys were.

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Speaker 1: We were rooting for him for many years. We had

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Speaker 1: a little pennant, you know, Jake Hayner one of them.

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Speaker 1: Let's get started there, Ianella, what are your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: this quarterback class and how much do you love Jake Hayner.

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Speaker 3: Say you're talking bandwagons, there's no better place to start

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Speaker 3: than Jake Hayner season in full effect. Look, at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, the dude is just a winner

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Speaker 3: like he he I love him. He just wins. In

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Speaker 3: three years at Fresno State, he was eighteen and four

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Speaker 3: And you know, we've talked to we talked about the

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Speaker 1: I think you can make that case. Certainly. I think

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Speaker 3: What hey. Chad Pennington had a hell of a career

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Speaker 1: And I agree. I think there's an opportunity for him

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Speaker 3: Uh Hayter. I thought you were gonna argue Tune as

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Speaker 1: And it was the Sam Darnold year when he went

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Speaker 1: So at this point, I'm I'm out on him completely,

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Speaker 1: and it's totally turnover based. He has much better physical tools,

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Speaker 1: I just don't trust him with the turnovers. What are

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Speaker 3: for five years and like, yeah, he did get better

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Speaker 3: each season, which is like a good thing. But he's

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Speaker 3: like that. You know, he's more athletic than Hayin. He's

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Speaker 3: Hater is excellent at and reading defense isn't progressing. That's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's in that developmental sixth seventh undrafted

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Speaker 3: Just let him get just let him have his name called.

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Speaker 1: All right, positivity, here we go. I am thrilled that

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Speaker 3: He's built like a wagon. It's only good looks like

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Speaker 1: I mean, he reminds me like when they would talk

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Speaker 3: If you're in a rookie dynasty draft, you know, three rounds.

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Speaker 3: honestly draft McBride and Keith Mitchell and you have yourself

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Speaker 3: a hell of a backfield. He's the perfect change of

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Speaker 3: pace back. And to me, his ceiling in the NFL

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Speaker 3: is kind of you know, Raheem Moster. You know Antonio Gibson,

432
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Speaker 3: who's another guy, by the way, and Tony Gibson basically

433
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Speaker 3: split the whole backfield of Kenne Gameo and uh college.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't really that good in college to bounce with you,

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Speaker 3: and then was great for a few years in Washington.

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Speaker 3: You know, you'll get Tareek Cohen. To me, that's another guy.

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Speaker 3: And to me, his floor is like Boston Scott, who's

438
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Speaker 3: a very productive like would you rather have Boston, Scott,

439
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Speaker 3: Keith Mitchell because to me, I'd rather have Keith Mitchell

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Speaker 3: and Scott. It's been pretty good on the Eagles for

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years, So I love Keith Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: He's a guy where, you know, with that Raheem moster

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Speaker 3: kind of threat Cohen ceiling, I'm gonna take a flying

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Speaker 3: Keith Mitchell and my Dynasty draft for sure.

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Speaker 1: In New York. I'll wrap up my running back position

479
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: with one of the best nicknames in all of college

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Speaker 1: football history, Lamborghini Leybourne from Marshall. He's the beneficiary of

481
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Speaker 1: Rasheina Lee being sidelined for the majority of the season.

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Speaker 1: He comes in as there's actually I think Rivals had

483
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Speaker 1: him as a five star out of high school and

484
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Speaker 1: FLORENSDA four stars everywhere else. Five eleven, two hundred pounds,

485
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Speaker 1: ran four five forty elite vertical and broad jump, and

486
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Speaker 1: he was a monster in the Great weight room, twenty

487
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Speaker 1: three reps on the bench press at two twenty five.

488
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Speaker 1: So that was tremendous When you pair it with his

489
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Speaker 1: production in this season at Marshall fifteen hundred yard sixteen tds.

490
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 1: He's not someone who's necessarily that home run hitter, So

491
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Speaker 1: I do think that's going to put him more in

492
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Speaker 1: a running back by committee situation and not necessarily the

493
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Speaker 1: upside of some of the backs we've mentioned earlier. You

494
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Speaker 1: know in the pod here but I think he's a

495
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Speaker 1: great guy to add, and certainly where you can get

496
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Speaker 1: him fifth, sixth, seventh round. I've seen multiple mock drafts.

497
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Speaker 1: He's not drafted at all. I think that's wrong given

498
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Speaker 1: his overall talent, the fact that he refused to give

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Speaker 1: up on this dream. He had some injuries, he had

500
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Speaker 1: a transfer, he had a weight, and when he got

501
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Speaker 1: the opportunity, he thrived. I think that speaks positively to

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Speaker 1: his overall character. And the other element of it is, yes,

503
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Speaker 1: he had spent all these years in college, but not

504
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Speaker 1: much tread on the tires, so in terms of like

505
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Speaker 1: what he had to you know, carry, in terms of

506
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Speaker 1: overall workload, he only had one season there at Marshall.

507
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Speaker 1: So I'm big on this guy. I would add him

508
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Speaker 1: certainly if he's there in the sixth round. Take a

509
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Speaker 1: shot on a player like this because I think the

510
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: name of the game is looking for those undervalued assets,

511
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Speaker 1: and I think he's top of the board in terms

512
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Speaker 1: of that category in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, it's like there's kind of three guys.

514
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Speaker 3: I was kind of like circling and be like, you know,

515
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: six seventh's it's Tim, it's Lou Nichols the third who

516
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: it was a weird case because he literally had the

517
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Speaker 3: entire country and rushing two years ago and then at

518
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Speaker 3: a really disappointing last year kind of battled injuries. Cameron

519
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: People's another one that probably gets his name called. He

520
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: kind of split a backfield at app State this whole

521
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Speaker 3: time there.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Cam People's to me, whenever I watched him play,

523
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Speaker 1: he always flashed where it's like this guy should be

524
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Speaker 1: the lead, he should be getting eighty five percent of

525
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: the carries. It was just a situation where they were

526
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Speaker 1: so deep and they could bring in different skill position

527
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: players to run the ball in waves, and Noel was

528
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: always their mindset.

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Cameron People's the guy I would. You know,

530
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: all these guys are going to need to be in

531
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Speaker 3: They're never going to be like a lead back. But

532
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: to me, you know we mentioned the first two guys,

533
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: that's kind of why I'm I'm higher on them because

534
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: at least they have an elite skill set. You know,

535
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: Mitchell with his his speed and what's his face with

536
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Speaker 3: his strength, so h McBride with his strength. So I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, Nicholson and People's are kind of in labor

538
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: and are kind of those last couple of rounds. Just

539
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Speaker 3: take a flyer on them, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, what if we switch to wide receiver. You good

541
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: on the running back room. You feel like you've said

542
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: your piece. All Right, I'm going to go with a

543
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: player that's pure tape versus measurables. Had an awful, disastrous

544
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Speaker 1: pro day. I can't imagine what it's like to set

545
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: up your pro day and you know it's going bad

546
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: and you still have like five drills to go through.

547
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: It's like his forty was below average, his vertical as bench,

548
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: his broad jump, talking pukin Nakua six to two hundred pounds.

549
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: When he was healthy, this guy was a monster, former

550
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: four star, hurt again, hurt on and off all throughout

551
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. But when you look at his highlights, and

552
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: this is what we get into when we're talking about

553
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: the Day three of the draft, you're looking at the ceiling.

554
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: So you turn on the tape for the opener seventy

555
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: five yard rushing touchdown against USF And there's plenty of

556
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Speaker 1: offenses in the NFL. It's not just gadget stuff on

557
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: a one off basis that like to get these slot

558
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: receivers and even end rounds involved in the running game,

559
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: he can do it right away. Then he plays against

560
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: Arkansas eight receptions, one hundred and forty one yards touchdown,

561
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Speaker 1: two more rushing tds against Boise fourteen receptions, one hundred

562
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: and fifty seven yards, two tds. That was when he

563
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: was making Jaron Hall look like an NFL quarterback. And

564
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: then if you go all the way back to last

565
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: season against the Big twelve champs and Baylor five receptions,

566
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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty eight yards touchdown. He's a big

567
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: play guy. He flashes great body control, he knows how

568
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: to get himself open, he knows how to fight for

569
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Speaker 1: the football, and he's a yak master pretty much. Just

570
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: like get him the ball in open space and he's

571
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: not going down on that first hip, particularly when it's

572
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Speaker 1: undersized corners. So the fact is you have to either

573
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Speaker 1: put stock in the tape or put stock in the

574
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: fact that he had a disastrous Pro Day and maybe

575
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have the physicality to play in the NFL.

576
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I think the only real

577
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: concern is his injuries. But if you drafts him in

578
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: the six or seventh round, like you're not banking on

579
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: him being a contributor necessarily to your your two d

580
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: You're hoping that he makes the team. You're hoping that

581
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: he can be that fifth or sixth receiver on your roster.

582
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: I think he's good enough to be at his very

583
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: top ceiling if he's stayed healthy. A wide receiver too

584
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL, because of his size and his playmaking ability.

585
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Nakua.

586
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's such a weird guy to me because, like

587
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: he said, I mean you mentioned it with with Ailers,

588
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: you know, the best of the abilities availability. That's why

589
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: you know he's not a bad late round flyers because

590
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: like you said, Okay, I think it's hurt who cares

591
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: seventh round, six or seventh round pick. But I do

592
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: think he has a lot more upside than a lot

593
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: of these guys. And you know, for me, this was

594
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: I think we kind of mentioned it last episode. This

595
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: is like a weird year for quarterback or for receivers, right,

596
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: I feel like it's it's not as deep as we've

597
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: seen in the past, like two three years, where you've

598
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: had like these monster classes. So even going through here

599
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: and trying to be like, Okay, who's my favorite receiver

600
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 3: I want to talk about. I kind of struggled separating them,

601
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 3: to be honest, because they're all I don't know, they're

602
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: all just kind of men, and they are kind of

603
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: in tears to me. So I honestly just run through

604
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: a couple of guys i'd written down quick because I

605
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: don't have extensive notes on any of them, because they're

606
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: just kind of like, yeah, you know, taking a shot.

607
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: We did mention Tyler Scott last week a little bit.

608
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: How he you know, he's flying up the draft because

609
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: he ran a four through seven. A couple other guys that'll,

610
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: you know, probably get drafted in that fifth, sixth, seventh round.

611
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: Trey Tucker from Cincinnati, you know, only a one year

612
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: starter exclusively played in the slot. Small guy, but fast.

613
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Speaker 1: C J.

614
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: Johnson. I actually really like c J. Johnson, East Carolina.

615
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: Big body, takes really long strides. He's not fast, but

616
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: he you know, he takes like six steps and he's

617
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: forty yards on the field. Strong hands, he's he's big

618
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: enough to break tackles after he catches the ball, which

619
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Speaker 3: I think teams will like. He's a good like thrown

620
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: up and let him go. Get a guy granted waist

621
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: from Charlotte Club lit shout out six to two, two

622
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: hundred pounds, looks like it looks like an NFL guy.

623
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: Big body, good bog skills, good route runner. He's just

624
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: not that fast. He's just really not fast enough to

625
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: get open. So he's a good depth receiver. And you know,

626
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: if you're playing against like a zone defense, he's probably

627
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: a good guy because he's he can go, you know,

628
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: get open, like get catch the ball in traffic, but

629
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Speaker 3: he's not really going to burn a guy one on one.

630
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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Dad Cropper, you know from Fresno State, similar to Hayter.

632
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: He's small, but he's slippery. He's he's very smart, very

633
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: good route runner. He's really good at getting open.

634
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Uh.

635
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: He's relationship with you know, him and Hayter had such

636
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: a good connection where he was so good at getting

637
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: open for Hainter. So I think a quarterback b I

638
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: love having him is like a safety valve.

639
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you talk about Fresno State, I wouldn't actually

640
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: be shocked if his teammate Nico Remihio ends up making

641
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: roster just because he can be returned specialist too.

642
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he makes a team as fast turn draft.

643
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was fast and also he played you know,

644
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: at the power five level at cal I like a

645
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: lot of you know what Fresno brings to the table

646
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: in terms of the draft this year. But I just

647
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: have this sneaking suspicion it's going to be root me

648
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: HEO that ends up making an NFL roster.

649
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't hate that at all. Jason Brownlee Southern missed

650
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: another one. Jalen Wayne South Alabama. I just wanted to

651
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: give a quick shout out. Michael Jefferson from Louisiana was

652
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: hit head on in a car accident by a drunk

653
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: driver and it's going to miss the entire season. So

654
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: sucks for him because he's you know, I'm looking right now,

655
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: you know, sixth round projecting on him. Probably doesn't get drafted.

656
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: Now why would you bother. He's not gonna be able

657
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,239
Speaker 3: to play all year and you know, to get hit

658
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: by you know, a scumback junk driver and pretty much

659
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: cost you your NFL career is just the worst. So

660
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: absolutely sucks for him. You know, hopefully overcovering and someone

661
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: will give him a chance, but just blows, He's not

662
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: going to here his you know name called because someone

663
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: had to be an asshole. Sucks ran.

664
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: All in this On one positive note, one player that

665
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: I think has a chance to hear his name called,

666
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: and I think he's a little bit undervalued because of

667
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: two things. One inside of his control to a certain degree,

668
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: he was banged up through his career. He had some

669
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: issues staying on the field. But also this is going

670
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: to be a little toss to you, Ianello, he had

671
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: Chevin Cordero throwing him the ball. So when you go

672
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: for nearly seventy receptions over a thousand yards and ten

673
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: tds with Cordero tossing the rock all over the yard,

674
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm impressed. Elijah Cooks, he's also and kind of like

675
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: what you were alluding to, which is when you look

676
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: through all of these players at the wide receiver position

677
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: in that rounds four through seven to undrafted range, what pops?

678
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: What's special? Who's a burner? He's at least big. He's

679
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: six four, you know, and he ran a four to five.

680
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: So when I look at his production in a year

681
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: with a quarterback that I don't think all that much

682
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: of and his overall size, I think he has a

683
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: chance to maybe hang on to an NFL roster because

684
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: he at least brings some a little bit special to

685
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: the table. Yeah.

686
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: The good news too with with the wide receivers. Just

687
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: while I'm not in love with any of them. You know,

688
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: looking at prospect rankings, there's not Power five guys that

689
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: are really in this conversation either. You know, you have

690
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: once you get past like the fourth round, like even

691
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: P five guys. You're like rakeem Jarrett from Maryland. You know,

692
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: Justin Shorter from Florida who as a Penn State guy,

693
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: he cannot catch a cold. Ronnie Bell from Michigan, Kanstate healthy,

694
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: Mitchell Tinsley, Penn State, we do have and we talk

695
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: at He's an HONORARYCHI five guy Western yahee uh.

696
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: You know, keeping the keeping the Zappi tradition alive. As

697
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: many sound guns that we can fire in this podcast.

698
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: As possible, we will. We will find any excuse to

699
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: just say the word Bailey's appy. But you remember I

700
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: was so pumped when Penn State landed Tinsley and he

701
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: was awesome for them this year. He was so good

702
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: for cliff By him and Clifford an instant connection. So

703
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: shout out Mitchell Tinsley. We will, we will fully take

704
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: credit as for him when he gets drafted as well.

705
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: We already touched on the tight end position in the

706
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: last episode. Zach Kuntz, I'm very high on him. Some

707
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: people view him as a project. I think he's already

708
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: ready as a pass catcher. To be a significant threat

709
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: in the NFL, he's gonna have to work as inline

710
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: blocker and all these other things that if he wants

711
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: to be in every down tight end, but keeping him

712
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: as your tight end two, tight end three in a

713
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: pass heavy offense, I think he could absolutely pop. And

714
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: particularly in the NFL, there's like seven or eight guys

715
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: who are just studs. They are dudes in the NFL

716
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: at the tight end position, and then there's just a

717
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: lot of regular guys, and it's like that revolving door

718
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: I think leaves it open for someone like Koontz to

719
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: come in and show what he can do. You know,

720
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, he was a monster. He was

721
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: hidden big plays all over the place. We're gonna finish

722
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: it up with two more positions. Going to look at linemen,

723
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: give a little love to the hog Molly's up front,

724
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: and then look at our favorite defensive players. I going

725
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: to go City. So from eastern Michigan, the Great White's

726
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: worth producing another one Canadian superstar six' five, three twenty

727
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: five mega. Athletic he killed it at the combined forty

728
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: vertical broad, jump AND i think that's music to the

729
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: years of a lot of these offensive coordinators and offensive

730
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: minded head coaches in THE. Nfl they want to get

731
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: people to the second. Level can he do? That he

732
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: regularly got to the second level as a run, blocker

733
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: whether he's pulling or he's in the screen game trying,

734
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: to you, know get. DOWNFIELD i think that gives him a.

735
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: Chance he played fifty six college games because of THE

736
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: covid year bonus, situation so a ton of. Experience he

737
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: got better and better as it went, on and he

738
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: played in THE Nflpa collegiateble performed well. There it's not

739
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: necessarily as prestigious as you, know The Senior, bowl but

740
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: it did give a little bit of apples to apples.

741
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: Comparison you, know you're not in THE mac, anymore how

742
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: are you going to? DO i think he's someone who's

743
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: going to hear his name in day three And i'm

744
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: excited for the. KID i Love root and. Four the

745
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: Fighting hurons Of Eastern. Michigan so good for.

746
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: Him, yeah he's a weird guy or too where he,

747
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: said six years At Eastern michigan and he had kind

748
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: of a weird. Career he was An olympic weightlifter in

749
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: like high. School he wasn't even on he wasn't online recruiting.

750
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: Services why he didn't get recruited because they don't have

751
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 3: internet In canada, apparently so like nobody knew who he.

752
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 3: Was The Eastern michigan staff was like came to school

753
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: to like see someone, else and like saw him in

754
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: the parking lot and was, like you're humongous and, like.

755
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: So you were coming with, us sir to get into the.

756
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 3: Card played d line in high. School you did even

757
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: played the offensive. Line so the fact that he you,

758
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: know took him a little more, time but he was

759
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: all macked the last two. YEARS i love that. Pick

760
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: i'm also going to give some love to the hog

761
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: mollies up. Front Uh An i'm looking at is Uh

762
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: Nick saldaveri From Old. Dominion he's the guy THAT i realized.

763
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: Obviously you, KNOW i watched More Old dominion than most

764
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: people for some, reason because the wolf pack rides On

765
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: the thing with him is a lot of times with

766
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 3: nothing by the, WAY i. Like so the same reason

767
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: is a lot of THE g five guys that could

768
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: drafted are the left tackle because they're the biggest best

769
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 3: player on their small school and they're but they're never

770
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: bigger good enough to play it in THE, nfl so

771
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: they always have to. Transition so the fact that sal

772
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: was a GUARD i. Love And salavaveri played right tackle edel,

773
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 3: dominion which is not, common BUT i like it because

774
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: he's not gonna play left tackle in THE. Nfl he

775
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: didn't allow a sack all, season six, six three hundred.

776
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: Pounds big. Guy really he has really really good, feet

777
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: but not good. Hands like that's. Guy his one airwaitis

778
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: he has to get better with his hands and get.

779
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: Tougher but he was the team. Captain he brought high.

780
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: Energy he was like one of Those raby guys that's always,

781
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: like you, know getting his boys going on the sidelines

782
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: and the the you know in the, huddle Which i'm

783
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 3: a sucker. For versatile. Guy during this you mentioned the you,

784
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: know The Singer. Bowl saladverari was the same way where

785
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: he played, tackle guard and center throughout the week and

786
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: like looked good at all, Three SO i think a

787
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: team's gonna fall in love, with you, know his, versatility

788
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: that he can kind of do. Whatever so he's another

789
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: GUY i expect to see his name, called you, know that, third,

790
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: fourth fifth round kind of kind of.

791
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: Guy all, right we'll wrap up with our defensive. Players Darrell,

792
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: ludter junior From South. ALABAMA i love this. Kid last

793
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: year he was A Pro Football Focus All, American like

794
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: they really got into just how much of a shutdown

795
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: corner he. WAS i wouldn't say that he necessarily took

796
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: a big step back last, year just sistically and the

797
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: overall evaluations on him weren't quite as. High but then

798
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: he comes back in The Senior. Bowl and WHAT i

799
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: think is interesting when you listen TO gms and you

800
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: listen to, scouts The Senior bowl game is one thing

801
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: what they really want to see is the individual, drills

802
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: particularly when THESE g five AND fcs guys go up

803
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: against The power five, guys and he performed particularly well

804
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: in those. Situations and when you impair that with the

805
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: fact that for the position he has plus, size he's

806
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: over six, feet one hundred and ninety. Pounds ran in

807
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: the four four to five range a forty point five

808
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: vertical as. Well so he's someone WHO i don't think

809
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: is going to be overmatched physically in THE. NFL i

810
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: think you're going to be able to get him in

811
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: the middle rounds AND i think he could be a

812
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: solid second corner in THE nfl within a couple of.

813
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: Years he's SOMEWHAT i watched you, know a lot out

814
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Of South alabama football with A troy future ticket last.

815
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: Year they were the team in The WEST i was worried,

816
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: about SO i ended up watching plenty Of jag football

817
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: and he clearly stands. Out he's a lockdown. CORNER i

818
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: think he got you, know a ton of experience being

819
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: the guy and shutting down half of the field in.

820
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: College So i'm pretty bullish on, him and it was

821
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: enough for me to pick him as one of my

822
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: two guys here to.

823
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: Highlight, Yeah i'm completely him and Starring. Thomas they are

824
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: kind of two corners THAT i buy both FROM. UAB

825
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: i really like both of. THEM i think both of

826
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: them will be SUCCESSFUL nfl. Guys Fro, my you, know

827
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 3: my first DEFENDER i want to. HIGHLIGHT i actually almost

828
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: brought him up last week WHEN i was trying to you,

829
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: KNOW i went With Dorian. Williams but here's another. GUY

830
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: i Think honesty could be a third round picks as

831
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: high as. THAT i LOVE Jl skinner From boising safety

832
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: From Boise. STATE i think he's got a great. SIZE i,

833
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: mean he's, around he's a PERFECT nfl, frame and his one,

834
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: weakness to, me is the easiest thing to fix in

835
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: THE nfl is that he's. Skinny it's just just put

836
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: on muscle. Mass that's literally all he. NEEDS nfl Dot

837
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: com actually has him ranked as the third best safety

838
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: in the, draft Behind Antonio johnson And Jyra. Brown so

839
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: he's super. Experienced he's played forty four games over four

840
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: years For Boise. State you mentioned, it six,' three two

841
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: hundred and, Ten pounds he's got freakishly, long arms and

842
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: he is not afraid. To tackle he had ninety two

843
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 3: tackles in twenty. Twenty one he just sticks his nose

844
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: in the, running game loves to hit his, you know

845
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: he'll miss the occasional tackle because he is. So thin

846
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: if he if he just, you know he'll kind of swing.

847
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: And miss but BUT what i love about him too

848
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: is he didn't tackle as much last year because they didn't.

849
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: Need it they had really. Good linebackers they needed him

850
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: to help with the run game in, twenty one and

851
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: he did it last, year though like we have a

852
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: really good, front seven we need you more in, the

853
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: secondary and he thrived. In that he has, excellent timing never.

854
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: Takes penalties he got called for one flag all last

855
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: year and it was targeting and it was questionable. At

856
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: best he had, four interceptions good. Ball skills he didn't

857
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 3: participate In the combine because he tore his, pack training which,

858
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: does suck and maybe that's why he falls the third. Or,

859
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 3: fourth honest he probably could be a second round pick

860
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: if he ran and did All the. Combine stuff, he's

861
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: THIN like, i said but he loves. TO tackle i

862
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: think if he bulks up IN, the nfl he is

863
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 3: A legitimate nfl starter. RIGHT away i am all all

864
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: In On. Jail skinner i'm going.

865
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: To close with someone on all. In on i'm going

866
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: to predict that he's going to hit double digit sacks

867
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: at some point IN his. Nfl CAREER and i think

868
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: the secrets Out On jose Rimris From Eastern Michigan Big

869
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: shrine bowl performance confirms what he can do against. Better

870
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: talent his measurables. Are fantastic so he ran a four

871
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: seven forty, great shuttle, vertical broad three, cone drill all

872
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: of it at. The combine he was all in that

873
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 1: ninetieth percentile or better six to two hundred and forty,

874
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: five pounds nineteen and a half tackles for loss in

875
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two in THE modern nfl where you want

876
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: to bring in those pass rushers kind of that revolving

877
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: door and rotating in and, you know maybe in his

878
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: rookie year he gets ten to. FIFTEEN snaps i think

879
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: he's going to. Be disruptive he has a lot of

880
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: creative pass rush moves, as well so he's not just

881
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: a pure speed rusher off the edge and that production

882
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: almost in twenty TFLs in a. COLLEGE season i know IT'S,

883
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: THE mac i, Understand that but this guy was just

884
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: an absolute stud who got better. And better, and really,

885
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: you know when you read some of the a bit

886
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: of its, smoke screen a bit of its, you know,

887
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: scout speaks, you know however you want to. Frame it

888
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: but more and more positive things are coming out about

889
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: this guy before, The DRAFT so i could see him

890
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: maybe in the fourth rounds and certainly being a contributor

891
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: during his. Rookie year AND like, I said i just

892
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: think he has everything that it takes from a. Physicality

893
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: perspective you want to have that short burst speed and

894
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: being able to, you know essentially lunge at the quarterback

895
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: and be disruptive putting your. Hands up he can do

896
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: all of. Those things it'd be nice if he was

897
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: a little, bit heavier, you know maybe he can put

898
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: on that weight in the proper way and not lose

899
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: that speed IN. The Nfl but i'm Big On. Jose

900
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: ramirez he's. My guy he's my defensive sleeper for.

901
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: This, DRAFT yeah i had two edgressers. Written down raeremerez

902
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: was one. Of them he, you know everyone Remembers The

903
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: harrold perkins Game Against start arkansas right. The second, you

904
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 3: know award winner for most dominant single hand defensive performance

905
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: might Go to Ramerez Against. Western michigan if you remember.

906
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 3: That game he had four sacks AT least i think

907
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: in that game, four sacks four tackles, for loss. Eight tackles,

908
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: he like they won forty five, twenty three and he

909
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: just Absolutely wrecked havoc in. THAT game i agree. With you,

910
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: you know, twelve sacks he was. A monster. He is

911
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: he's not really good at anything but getting act to.

912
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: The passer so he needs to get better in the

913
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: run defense just to kind of be out there on

914
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: more than just. Third down pin your. EARS back i agree.

915
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: With you he is like the perfect guy, of like,

916
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: you know your team has a lead and the other

917
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: team has the ball in the. Fourth quarter there's there

918
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: are as FEW players i would want on the field

919
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: more Than. Jose A ra marez is just ten your.

920
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: Years back go get the quarterback and. THE game i

921
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: think he has perd. For that alga with the similar

922
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 3: GUY that i LOVE is i never know how to

923
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: say his, First Name villiami Vojoko From San. Jose state

924
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: he was Very Similar Mountain West defensive player Of the

925
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: year nineteen tackles for lost nine sacks. Last year he

926
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: has great and six really really good. Pass moves he's

927
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 3: one of those guys THAT he, i mean, spin, moves rips.

928
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: He is he.

929
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: Does everything he has so many fun moves that like

930
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: he just. Breaks out he's got all the skill in.

931
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: The world he just, lacks that, you KNOW true nfl size,

932
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: and speed which is probably why, you know it won't

933
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: go until, the fifth. Sixth Round He's vita, vea's COUSIN

934
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: which i always love kind of having the. Blood line and,

935
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: you Know so vohoko is kind of mild guy that

936
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: would go. With him Him, and ramirez they're kind of

937
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 3: my two edge RUSHERS that i really like both.

938
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: Of, THEM yeah i agree. WITH you i Mean. SANTASE

939
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: state i remember back when we were Talking To. COLIN

940
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: wilson i think he was in a. Hotel room he's

941
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: probably at some, you know. MEDIA day i assume he

942
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: probably go to press credentials around. His neck but he

943
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: was Talking Up santase state and the defense put. It

944
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: together we were trying to talk him off of that

945
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: Because Of. Chevin cordero but was that? Was that is that?

946
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: THE pot i called him an idiot because he thought

947
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 3: he said they were gonna win. Nine, games yes so

948
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 3: in some ways you.

949
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: Were right in some ways he, was right and certainly

950
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: on the defensive side, of things, you know this guy being.

951
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: The STANDOUT so i agree. With you there was a

952
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: lot more, TO like i think in the front seven

953
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: defensively in, this DRAFT and i think there's gonna be

954
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: some real stars that are going, to merge whether they

955
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: had up here in their Name In kansas city. OR

956
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: not i think there's going to be some valuable players

957
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: they're going to make rosters from the undrafted pool. As

958
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: well just kind of one of those weird years where

959
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: you didn't see a lot of absolute burner on the

960
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: perimeter at wide receiver or running backs who were. REALLY

961
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: versatile a lot of the backs we, talked about they're

962
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: really good at, one thing and, you know that's kind

963
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: Of the achilles heel kind of getting on the field IN,

964
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: the nfl you got to be able to pick up.

965
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: Litz is you got to be at least serviceable in the.

966
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: Past game you see it with elite Coaches Like andy

967
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: reid where when he's playing running back, by committee one

968
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: of his running backs drops, the pass, it's, like, WELL

969
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: great i won't to see him for three, More weeks

970
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: like he's just basically in the doghouse kind. Of THING

971
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: and i think a LOT of nfl coaches are very

972
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: similar in. That regard they want these running backs to be,

973
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: well rounded so to. That ends THAT'S why i think

974
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: these defensive players are going to end up being sticking

975
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: in more cases than not FROM the g five level

976
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: as opposed to their. Offensive counterparts any other final thoughts

977
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: as we wrap Up are part two OF The NFL

978
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: draft G.

979
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: Five, special no, not really like, you said it's a

980
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: weird gear FOR the. G five not it's pretty, you

981
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: know nobody at. The TOP but i do, think that,

982
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: you know there's always, those gems those guys that come out.

983
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 3: Of nowhere i'm very curious. To see i'm just Don't

984
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: think like as you, WERE talking i started thinking. About

985
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: this i'm very curious if we'll see down, you know,

986
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: going forward if this year's trend continues between the combination

987
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: of the, transfer portal you have a Guy like tinsley

988
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: where It's like tinsey's NOT a g five guy because

989
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: he transferred AND he, i mean he's gonna go on the.

990
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: Seventh Round like i'm curious if we'll see in, the

991
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: future like, you know those What Would khalil mack have

992
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: Transferred from buffalo if he, could have and what, we see,

993
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 3: you know those kind of big name first round pick

994
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: guys TRANSFER to p five schools so they won't really

995
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: COUNT in G five's and then on the, flip side

996
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: which is great for us in, college football is you

997
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: also have the ADDED with nil where instead of being

998
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: a seventh, round pick go back. To school, You Know

999
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: frank harris is probably gonna make MORE at utsa than

1000
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: he will IN. The nfl, You Know. Michael pratt you

1001
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: have these guys that are, college football all studs that,

1002
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: you know not that either of them probably would have,

1003
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: come out but there's a lot more incentive now to

1004
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: stay in college if you're going to be one of

1005
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: these LATE round g five. Draft Picks so i'm curious

1006
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: that we'll start to see less AND less g, five guys,

1007
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: you know in, the draft in the top of, the

1008
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 3: draft and if that's, you knows AS a d. FIVE

1009
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: guys i do THINK the nil factor is going to

1010
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: be good for us in that sense because we'll get to,

1011
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: you know we get To See frank harris again, In

1012
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: college we get To See, Michael pratt we get to see.

1013
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: Those Guys so i'm curious see if it's just a

1014
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: weird year where there's not a ton of high, end

1015
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 3: talent or if it's a going to be a trend

1016
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: with THE between nil and, the portal we won't see

1017
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: as MANY high g.

1018
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: Five, GUYS yeah, i mean we did see It At

1019
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: western kentucky this Year With, austin reid, you know going

1020
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: in the portal and then all of, a sudden he's

1021
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: got a. NEW car i guess they threw together a

1022
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: bake sale. Or something, it's like you don't necessarily need

1023
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: sec god money to keep. One guy, it's, like hey

1024
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: can you get seventy grand together for, you know? A, Convertible,

1025
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: okay now all of a sudden things are a little

1026
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: bit more amenable between, these players and the school's a

1027
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: game of chance in the. First place, SO yeah i

1028
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: think that's an interesting story to continue to watch because

1029
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: this will be the first year in the history of

1030
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: the draft potentially that THERE'S no g five players taken

1031
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds of. The draft so is?

1032
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: That trends is? Then anomaly we're going to keep on top,

1033
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: of it but either way we're gonna Be spot gracey

1034
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: McAll is a good example.

1035
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: That, way yeah where do you think McCaul would have

1036
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: been drafted if he? Came out but he, you know

1037
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: got the back, To transfer, so.

1038
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah it is it. Is interesting, you KNOW he i

1039
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: thought there was a chance he was going to Go.

1040
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: TO liberty i thought he was going to Go the power.

1041
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: Five level it's it's now this free agent palooza every,

1042
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: single year and there's not necessarily an off switch. For

1043
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: it there's. Different windows we're now in this secondary window

1044
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: where you could see some, players transfer some quarterbacks who

1045
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: don't end up getting their starting jobs leaving after. Spring

1046
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: practice so a lots of monitor to that end will

1047
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: be back McAll, stand yeah McCall is Still At, coastal

1048
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: carolina so he probably got back and. Do, THAT yeah

1049
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: i would imagine that despite the fact that He, pisses

1050
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: teeal he probably needs a little bit of green to

1051
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: go with that.

1052
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: As well, hey McCall you want a bunch of money

1053
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: to stay on the beach or do you want to go?

1054
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: Play for, You know god knows Who The arizona cardinals

1055
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: got stand the.

1056
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,040
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1057
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,640
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1058
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1059
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1060
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1061
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,160
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