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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast O.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Tramas Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: all of you hanging out with us. We are here

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Speaker 2: on Debate Eve as we prepare for the almost like

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Speaker 2: the JV Debate Squad to take the stage tomorrow at

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Speaker 2: the Reagan Presidential Library. Donald Trump will not be involved

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Speaker 2: in that debate. Yet again, it appears that he is

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Speaker 2: not going to be involved in any of the Republican

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Speaker 2: primary debates, and it does not appear to have hurt

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Speaker 2: him in a big way. We've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: different topics to dive into, but sometimes you wake up

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Speaker 2: and feels.

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Speaker 3: Like the world's changing.

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Speaker 2: And I know for a lot of you out there,

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Speaker 2: you remember and you may know me from I did

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Speaker 2: a sports gambling show for four years. I love to

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Speaker 2: look at the gambling markets. Where is money being spent,

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Speaker 2: where are people deciding that they want to allocate their resources?

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Speaker 3: What should we expect? What are probabilities?

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Speaker 2: I encourage everybody Buck all the time, think probabilistically. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to know exactly what's going to happen, and so

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Speaker 2: if you think probabilistically, you think, okay, I think this

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Speaker 2: is likely to happen.

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Speaker 3: This is not likely to happen.

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Speaker 2: Trump has been a real challenge for gambling markets ever

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Speaker 2: since he came down that escalator in twenty fifteen. And

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Speaker 2: many of you will remember, Buck, I know you well do,

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Speaker 2: because you were in New York at the time when

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Speaker 2: the New York Times said that Hillary what was the

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Speaker 2: percentage chance that Hillary was going to win? Buck, ninety

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Speaker 2: eight over ninety I think it was ninety seven ninety

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Speaker 2: seven percent chance that Hillary Clinton was going to win

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen presidential election. Trump wins. This is really intriguing,

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Speaker 2: and I think there's a couple of things at play

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Speaker 2: and I want to see whether you buy it, Buck,

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Speaker 2: big news here Donald Trump is now favored to win

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four presidential election in gambling markets. A

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Speaker 2: lot of you out there are gonna say, Okay, I

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Speaker 2: explain to me what that means, Clay. Let me contextualize

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Speaker 2: it this way. At no point in the entire twenty

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Speaker 2: sixteen presidential campaign was Trump favored to beat Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 2: Some of you may well have won money betting on Trump.

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Speaker 2: He was a big underdog in terms of whether or

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Speaker 2: not he was going to be elected president in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: He won.

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Speaker 2: Is an underdog that happens. Anybody who plays or is

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Speaker 2: involved in sports knows that sometimes the underdog wins.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty, Buck Trump.

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Speaker 2: Was a big favorite for reelection until COVID happened, and

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Speaker 2: in March and April he went from being the favorite

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Speaker 2: to being an underdog to Joe Biden, and he was

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Speaker 2: never favored to win the twenty twenty presidential election in

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Speaker 2: the gambling markets. There was one small period early in

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Speaker 2: the evening of election night where the gambling markets became

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Speaker 2: convinced that Trump was going to win based on some

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Speaker 2: of the returns. Some of you are saying hmm, and

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Speaker 2: then the markets flip back. Biden ends up winning. But

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Speaker 2: for most of the twenty twenty presidential campaign, Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: was favored, and for the entire twenty sixteen presidential campaign,

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Speaker 2: Trump was the underdog. This morning, for the first time

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Speaker 2: in his presidential career, Donald Trump is now the favored

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Speaker 2: candidate to be the next elected president of the United States. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that is a fact. Why yeah, I got a couple

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Speaker 2: of theories here, Buck. One, there have been several polls

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Speaker 2: that are very favorable to Trump. The Messenger poll, I know,

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Speaker 2: you know the guys that the Messenger pretty well had

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Speaker 2: Trump up five. The Washington Post had him up ten.

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Speaker 2: Trump has a lead in polling, which is very rare

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Speaker 2: top of that, this is what I really think is

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Speaker 2: moving markets, Buck. There's a lot of fear in Democrat

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Speaker 2: circles that Robert F. Kennedy Junior is going to run

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Speaker 2: as the Libertarian candidate, that he is frustrated with what

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Speaker 2: the DNC has done to try to box him out

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Speaker 2: president in twenty twenty four. And there are even quotes

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Speaker 2: make his decision Buck by October, meaning RFK Junior, as

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Speaker 2: going forward, and if that is true. The data reflects

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Speaker 2: that RFK Junior actually is a massive hit to Democrats

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Speaker 2: I think it's worth paying attention to.

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Speaker 4: Reaction right now? It's speculation, right, so it's really tough.

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Speaker 2: But in speculation with money, which is why I pay

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Speaker 2: attention to it, people are putting their real money down.

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Speaker 4: But I remember that what the betting odds were telling

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Speaker 4: us in the twenty twenty two midterms, which we talked

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Speaker 4: betting markets, I think, are just a function. This is

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Speaker 4: kind of obvious, but it's a function of what perception

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Speaker 4: the perception is Biden is at an absolute low point.

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Speaker 4: He's at a low point in terms of the pulling.

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Speaker 4: He's at a low point in terms of narrative campaign machinery,

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Speaker 4: and I think there is a real conversation going on

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Speaker 4: and entities behind closed doors. But I think there is

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Speaker 4: definitely concern. I'm to be clear. I've never thought that

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Speaker 4: just think that they this is all they got. Basically,

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Speaker 4: That's been my theory along. They wish they had another approach,

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Speaker 4: which we'll get to the did you see that Kamala

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Speaker 4: What is it called when you have the words word

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Speaker 4: app the Kamala word map that came out, Well, I

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Speaker 4: didn't see it all of a We'll talk about that

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Speaker 4: one of the next segment. But it's you know, when

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Speaker 4: mind when you ask them about Kamala Harris, The words

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Speaker 3: Those are not the words. So they've they've got themselves

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Speaker 4: The RFK Junior stuff is interesting. He would have to

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Speaker 4: national ballots for twenty twenty four if you launch a

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Speaker 4: This is the eleventh hour of a big switch. I

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Speaker 4: believe it was on our good friend Sean Hannity Show.

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Speaker 4: I think this just happened last night. So I hate

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Speaker 3: But I think, Ted Cruz, that happens me all the time.

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Speaker 4: You see a circle yeah news, Yeah, do you see

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Speaker 4: this amazing story I sent into the team.

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Speaker 3: They're like, Buck, that's from twenty twenty. I'm like, damn it.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, Ted Cruz raised at some point in recent

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Speaker 4: history the Michelle Obama possibility as well.

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Speaker 3: I view that as almost more.

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Speaker 4: I think that a candidate that is a Democrat consensus

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Speaker 4: super delegates, and they had to get rid of it

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Speaker 4: because it was so obviously rigged in twenty sixteen against Bernie.

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Speaker 4: Democrats are very good at this. They have a real

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Speaker 4: capability to move. As the hive mind declares, I think

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Speaker 4: it's much more likely they would effectively drop in somebody

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Speaker 4: for Biden than to have an open primary, Clay, an

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Speaker 4: open primary would be an abject mess for Democrats.

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Speaker 3: I mean that to me is crazy and for us,

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Speaker 2: It'd be great for amazing for us, Yeah, but it

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of these of these pieces that

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Speaker 2: matter what perception is right now.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what the polls are right now. We

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Speaker 4: have not seen what the campaign will be and we

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Speaker 4: are entering a year. People usually overstate this stuff, Clay.

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Speaker 4: They'll say, there's just the most important election in the history.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna say this is the most important election,

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Speaker 4: although maybe the country's over if we lose. But what

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Speaker 4: I will say, what I will say is we are

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Speaker 4: heading into the unprecedented situation of an election where the

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Speaker 4: or not. We've talked about this. I think one two,

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Speaker 4: So so whatever we think the roadmap, there is no roadmap.

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Speaker 4: There is no precedent for this, and so that's why

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's it's almost more helpful to

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Speaker 4: we're in a different universe.

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Speaker 2: Well, the what I would say is significant in the

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Speaker 2: next month is RFK Junior said if he's going to

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Speaker 3: Can I can?

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Speaker 4: I ask you not to, But yeah, to your logic

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Speaker 4: about Pritzker, Why wouldn't r FK Junior run? You asked

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Speaker 4: he wants to run next time.

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't RFK Junior. Run give him what he's already done.

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Speaker 2: So I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: He's already taken, you know. And again a lot of

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Speaker 2: this is just logic in game theory, in my mind,

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Speaker 2: you've already suffered all the slings and arrows of being

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Speaker 2: your point, they have found every relative of RFK Junior

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Speaker 2: on the planet, shoved a mic in their face and said,

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Speaker 2: do you hate your uncle? Do you hate your brother?

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Speaker 2: Can you believe that your dad would do this?

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Speaker 3: They? You know what he's married to? You watch Kirby

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Speaker 3: your enthusiasm, right, Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's married to Larry David's. Yeah, Cheryl Hines. Is that

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Speaker 2: a real name? Or I can't remember, but but they've

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Speaker 2: even gone after her too.

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Speaker 4: In that respect, we do have the Ted Cruz talking

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Speaker 4: about Michelle Obama SoundBite from Seawan show I was right.

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Speaker 3: I did not misremember the time, the date play it.

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Speaker 5: I think the odds are very significant that next summer

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Speaker 5: at the Democrat National Convention that the Democrat Party will Jennison,

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden will throw him off the ticket and they

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Speaker 4: Now, I think that's a long shot still for reasons

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 4: They just tell the pleebs, you know, tell the the

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Speaker 4: Them Clay they I mean, I think, what you gotta get?

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Speaker 1: Today Kleay, Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody, We're joined by our friend Morgan or Taegis.

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Speaker 4: She's the founder of Polaris National Security, former spokesperson for

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Speaker 4: intelligence analyst. You see her, You've seen her a lot

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Speaker 4: in the past on Fox News. Morgan, thanks for being

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Speaker 3: People. Everybody tell us about this.

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Speaker 4: Story because I think you've got to lay it out.

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Speaker 4: This this crosses over into the realm of major Iranian

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Speaker 4: nuclear policy? What went on here? Like, tell everybody about

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's pretty breaking news this morning. I will say,

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Speaker 6: You know this stuff really well, Buck, So what was

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Speaker 3: Morgan, thanks for coming on with us.

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Speaker 2: I saw your tweets this morning which was what which

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Speaker 3: We just gave six billion.

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Speaker 2: Dollars to Iran, I think for five prisoners to be

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Speaker 2: Because am I correct to remember that basically we just

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Speaker 6: Cash and that happened, right, That absolutely happened. That was reported,

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Speaker 2: While we've got you, Morgan, I saw a story and

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Speaker 6: Well, Listen, I lived in Saudi Arabia at the US

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Speaker 6: that it's the first time many Americans are hearing it,

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Speaker 6: and we should be very concerned because there is no

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Speaker 6: plan from the Biden team to stop Iran from getting

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Speaker 6: a nuclear weapon. We were very clear in the Trump administration.

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Speaker 6: We ripped up to JCPUA. We said, this is not

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Speaker 6: a treaty, right. The Obama team did not go to

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Speaker 6: the Senate to get it ratified as a treaty. It's

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Speaker 6: a political document. By the way, they didn't go to

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Speaker 6: the Senate because they knew they couldn't get the votes. Also,

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Speaker 6: not even from their own party. Chuck Schumer and others others.

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Speaker 6: Meninda's well, Menandaz isn't a great example, but at the time.

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Speaker 6: But you know, so we've never believed that we instituted

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Speaker 6: the maximum economic pressure campaign. And President Trump stated very clearly,

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Speaker 6: by any means necessary, Iran is not going to obtain

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Speaker 6: a nuclear weapon. And the Iranians knew that Trump was

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Speaker 6: serious because he took out costoms to the money. You know,

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Speaker 6: they're world leading terrorists. The person who was in charge

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Speaker 6: of the IRGC and so, which is the Iran Revolutionary

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Speaker 6: Guard by the way, Sara to use the acronyms, so

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Speaker 6: not to think what we're missing from Team Biden is

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Speaker 6: they have tried for three years now. They chased the

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Speaker 6: Iranians around the world, tried to negotiate, begged, cajoled, pleaded

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Speaker 6: for them to get back into the deal. The Iranians

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Speaker 6: haven't done that because the Americans, the current administration is

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Speaker 6: not enforcing the sanctions on Iran, so like, why would

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Speaker 6: they make a deal with us. There's sanctions placed on

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Speaker 6: them that no one respects or enforces. There's no there's

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Speaker 6: no credible threat of force. And the Biden team saying,

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Speaker 6: if you do this we're going to stop you. So like,

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Speaker 6: what's in it for them to get a deal. There's

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Speaker 6: nothing really good in it for them.

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Speaker 3: Morgan Ortegas everybody, Morgan appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, our number three.

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Speaker 3: We are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program.

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Speaker 2: We talked about the fact that Donald Trump has now

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Speaker 2: moved to the top of the overall odds markets to

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Speaker 2: be elected president of the United States in.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of different storylines to follow and

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Speaker 2: be associated with there, but a big part of this

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Speaker 2: is what's gonna happen with the third party process. And

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Speaker 2: we say this, by the way, on the eve of

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Speaker 2: the second Republican primary debate, which will be taking place

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Speaker 2: in California at the Ronald Reagan presidential library and that

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Speaker 2: we know Donald Trump will not be involved in. But

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Speaker 2: big story out there is that there may be a

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Speaker 2: third party, and in particular, Robert F. Kennedy Junior may

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Speaker 2: be entering as a libertarian. Buck is of the opinion,

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Speaker 2: and I think I would maybe sign on with this

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Speaker 2: that at RFK junior libertarian candidacy could be a challenge

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Speaker 2: to Trump as much or more than it would be

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Speaker 2: to Biden. That will be a huge topic of debate.

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Speaker 2: But I've got to pull up right now and among

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Speaker 2: my group of Twitter followers out there, about thirty percent

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Speaker 2: of you said that you would vote again. This is

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Speaker 2: on Twitter. You can go vote at Clay Travis. About

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Speaker 2: thirty percent of you said that you would vote for

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Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy Junior over Donald Trump. Sixty some odd

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Speaker 2: percent say for Trump, five percent say for Biden. Again,

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Speaker 2: that's people who follow me on Twitter. Anybody can go

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Speaker 2: vote in that poll, and that would suggest that that's

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Speaker 2: not a ridiculous proposition. That Buck may well be right

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Speaker 2: about this overall impact. But I think the biggest storyline

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Speaker 2: is Joe Biden's incompetence. And when I woke up this morning,

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Speaker 2: I saw this thing This is the headline of Axios,

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Speaker 2: which does a good job with a morning newsletter. One

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Speaker 2: big thing Scoop and Buck. This is not the kind

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Speaker 2: of scoop that you want associated with Joe Biden. So

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Speaker 2: this is not something where sometimes you're like, Okay, they

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Speaker 2: leaked this. They want this story out there, Scoop Biden's

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Speaker 2: don't trip plan, And I thought, well, certainly this is

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Speaker 2: a metaphor.

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Speaker 3: It can't actually be what it says.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, the opening paragraph, President Biden and his

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Speaker 2: staff are working on an urgent project to protect his

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Speaker 2: re election bid, a don't trip strategy.

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Speaker 3: Democrats, this is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Democrats, including some in the administration, are terrified Biden will

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Speaker 2: have a bad fall, with a nightmare scenario of it

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Speaker 2: happening in the weeks before the twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 3: So what are they doing?

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Speaker 2: Remember Biden tripped and fell on the stage at the

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Speaker 2: Air Force Academy. Biden is working every day with a

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Speaker 2: physical therapist to try to improve his balance since his

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Speaker 2: stumble in June.

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Speaker 3: Buck, they put him in tennis shoes, with.

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Speaker 2: The idea being it's better for him to be walking

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Speaker 2: in tennis shoes, I guess, than dress shoes. Which tend

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Speaker 2: to be slicker. I'm guessing that's the theory. And they have

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Speaker 2: change and this is a big story that I don't

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Speaker 2: think has been talked about enough. They change the stairs

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Speaker 2: on Air Force one so that the steps are shorter

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Speaker 2: so he doesn't have to climb as many stairs in

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Speaker 2: order to get on the plane. Now, the worst case

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Speaker 2: scenario here, and this is sad to even think about,

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Speaker 2: is when Biden gets off Air Force one, you know,

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Speaker 2: and he stands up at the top of the parapet

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Speaker 2: there buck and waves as he starts to walk down.

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Speaker 2: He could trip and then there's a lot of stairs

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Speaker 2: and you bang and fall and like break a bone,

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Speaker 2: And I mean, he could kill himself falling down as

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Speaker 2: many stairs as there are on Air Force one, which

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Speaker 2: is crazy, But the fact that Democrats have a top

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Speaker 2: story coming out a little bit over thirty a little

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Speaker 2: bit less than fourteen months thirteen and a half months

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Speaker 2: from the election, where the story is Biden is training

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Speaker 2: to try to fall less. They're putting him in tennis shoes,

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Speaker 2: and they've had to change the steps on Air Force one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they escape this story line, but

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Speaker 2: it ain't a good storyline. That they're terrified that he's

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Speaker 2: going to fall and what it could mean for the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four election. Can you believe this is real?

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Speaker 2: Like would you have ever believe that this was possible?

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is crazy. I mean it's this is

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Speaker 4: a recognition of reality. There's nothing about this that's that's strange.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is I mean I shouldn't say there's

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Speaker 4: nothing about them writing this or this being a story

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Speaker 4: that's strange, because we can all see it. Of course,

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Speaker 4: it's strange to have a president who's stumbling around in

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Speaker 4: this way. But I think, man, if this were this

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Speaker 4: is my my baseline assumption here for everything that we're

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Speaker 4: talking about, is if this were September of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: I think the Democrats would be in a lot of

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Speaker 4: trouble with these numbers and Biden everything else. But it's

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Speaker 4: there's so much time here that they may be able

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Speaker 4: to at some level normalized Joe Biden uh and and

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Speaker 4: meaning normalize his physical infirmities. I'm not convinced that Democrats

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Speaker 4: remember what they did with Fetterman. If you criticized his

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Speaker 4: cognition issues, you were being an You're you were criticizing

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Speaker 4: a man for his disability and that he's strong and

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Speaker 4: and you should encourage him to come forward and talk

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Speaker 4: about you know, the severe depression, all all of these things,

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Speaker 4: and they turn that around pretty effectively at the time.

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Speaker 4: I'm not convinced that Joe Biden, Uh, I mean this,

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Speaker 4: this is gonna sound crazy, and uh, this will probably

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Speaker 4: be you know, used against me at some point in

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Speaker 4: the future. I'm not convinced that if they wheeled Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden out in a wheelchair and they're just like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 4: he's gotten a little bit weaker or whatever, that that

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Speaker 4: Democrats would necessarily say he can't. They just say his

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Speaker 4: mind as sharp as attack. I mean, this is what

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Speaker 4: they've been saying behind closed doors. We all have to understand, Clay,

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Speaker 4: We're operating in a world where for four years Democrats claimed,

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Speaker 4: but there was a with Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and

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Speaker 4: the Kremlin that involved tapes of prostitutes urinating on the

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Speaker 4: then president of the United States. Sorry, but that's what

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Speaker 4: the allegation was, that there was a Kremlin Putin Trump

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Speaker 4: plot with zero evidence to steal the twenty sixteen election.

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Speaker 4: Every person who is on TV talking about Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: who's a Biden partisan, went along with that. So the

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Speaker 4: notion that I mean, I just think we've entered an

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Speaker 4: era of political mass hysteria. I think that, you know,

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Speaker 4: if you want to get a sense of where we are,

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Speaker 4: forget about Axios. Read Gustave Lebon the you know, the

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Speaker 4: French political philosopher who just talked about how mobs just

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Speaker 4: wants slogans. They want to be around other people, they

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Speaker 4: want chance, they want to feel like there's meaning to

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Speaker 4: their lives whatever. All this other stuff we get into,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, the marginal tax rate and manufacturing,

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Speaker 4: and I don't know if it really moves the needle.

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Speaker 3: Is this too crazy for you?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's crazy at all, which is

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Speaker 2: why I think there's going to be probably tens of

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars spent over the next thirteen and a

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Speaker 2: half months to get ready for twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 2: I think almost all that's going to be wasted because

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Speaker 2: I don't think there are that many people that have

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Speaker 2: not already made up their opinion, which is why I say,

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Speaker 2: and this has been my argument for a while, and

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Speaker 2: if it's Trump Biden, it's going to stay my argument

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Speaker 2: Trump can win three ways.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: One is a third party, although third party could cut

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Speaker 2: against him. Two but I think in general a third

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Speaker 2: party could help Trump. Another is and I think this

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Speaker 2: is going to be true. I think a lot less people.

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Speaker 2: We've got a stake, bed I think on this. I

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Speaker 2: think a lot less people are going to vote in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four than voted in twenty twenty. Yes, we

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Speaker 2: do have a stake that on this. I wrote this.

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Speaker 4: I wrote this one down. I think the turnout will

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Speaker 4: be higher than it was in the last election. You

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Speaker 4: think it will be dramatically lower.

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Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, I think that a lot of people bought

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Speaker 2: into Iden will make America normal again.

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Speaker 4: Just to be clear, we're talking aggregate turnout across the

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Speaker 4: board totally.

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Speaker 2: There're one hundred they counted one hundred and fifty six million,

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Speaker 2: and I'm votes in twenty twenty. I think fewer than

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty six million people will vote in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have Clay cut up my Filet Mignon into

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Speaker 4: little pieces, you know, and I'm.

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Speaker 3: Gonna have him call me like, you know, lord lord

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Speaker 3: buck or something.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, And then the third here is exactly what

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Speaker 2: they're talking about. I think that Biden could have such

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Speaker 2: a debilitating moment that it's impossible for anyone with a.

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Speaker 3: Functional brain to vote for him.

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Speaker 2: And that could be he's coming down Air Force one

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Speaker 2: and he just trips and falls and he just bounced.

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Speaker 3: Like boom boom boom boom boom, he falls.

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Speaker 2: It could be at the at the debate, to the

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Speaker 2: extent that we have a debate, that he has a

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Speaker 2: Mitch mcconalls moment on.

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Speaker 8: The president tripping and falling. Are you aware of this?

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Speaker 8: I mean, this is the whole the Axios bug. This

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Speaker 8: is what I'm saying, their whole story. I mean, I

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Speaker 8: couldn't you are you are?

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Speaker 3: I'm falling and I can't get up to Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: right now? You are? You are doing that to him?

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Speaker 2: I think that Joe Biden is so incompetent and I

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Speaker 2: hate that the Democrats have even made this a reality.

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Speaker 3: No one has ever had a discussion about.

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Speaker 2: They had to change the president shoes to try to

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Speaker 2: make it less likely that he's gonna fall. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is crazy talk that we're in this scenario. And

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Speaker 2: this is the analogy that I was gonna make with

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Speaker 2: you Buck, Sometimes you get so close.

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Speaker 3: To an issue.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna find this with your book and some perfect

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Speaker 2: example when you write a book. At some point you've

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Speaker 2: read your book so many times that you can't see

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Speaker 2: it with fresh eyes. And this is This is an

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Speaker 2: analogy that I've made before. It's a good one. You

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Speaker 2: guys steal this, all right. If you are married or

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Speaker 2: you have a long term girlfriend, you steal this. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: they don't listen to the show, but you can steal

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Speaker 2: this and claim it's yours. And I wonder, I bet

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Speaker 2: this has happened to you. Every now and then, Buck,

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Speaker 2: you're a newlywed. Every now and then, you are out somewhere,

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Speaker 2: if you are a man, this has been my experience.

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Speaker 2: I've been married almost twenty years. You are out somewhere

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Speaker 2: with your wife. Maybe it's a grocery store, maybe it's

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Speaker 2: a mall shopping mall eight, and you're separated, right like,

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Speaker 2: maybe you go to get the milk and she's going

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Speaker 2: to get the chips or the cereal or whatever else.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you're in a bookstore and you're looking in different

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Speaker 2: sections of the bookstore and you come around a corner

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Speaker 2: and you see your Wow, wife, I hope this happens

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Speaker 2: to some of you and for a moment you think, Oh,

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Speaker 2: who's that pretty girl, and then you're like, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: my wife because you aren't expecting to see her, and

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Speaker 2: you see her again in a way that you did

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Speaker 2: for the first time, right, because you're used to it.

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Speaker 2: If you're in your house, you're used to seeing your wife.

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Speaker 2: And maybe women do this for husbands.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm that good looking. I doubt my

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Speaker 2: wife is like, Oh, that's my husband. He's attractive. But

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Speaker 2: I know this happens for.

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Speaker 3: Me with my wife.

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Speaker 2: You see your spouse as if you are not used

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Speaker 2: to seeing them. It takes you out of the relationship

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Speaker 2: that you're in and you see it somewhat more objectively.

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Speaker 2: The Democrats not realize because they're so close to this

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Speaker 2: reelection campaign. You're changing the president's shoes because you're afraid

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Speaker 2: that he can't walk in normal shoes and that he's

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Speaker 2: going to fall. You're changing the steps on Air Force

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Speaker 2: one because you're afraid that he's going to trip. That's

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Speaker 2: a sign if you pull yourself out of the campaign,

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Speaker 2: that you are working to elect someone who is unable

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Speaker 2: physically I'm not even talking about mentally unable physically to

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Speaker 2: do the job. Pull yourself out of this crazy myopic

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Speaker 2: view where you're writing a book and.

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Speaker 3: You're so close to it that you can't see it. Crazy. Fuck,

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Speaker 3: they're crazy. If this all maps in.

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Speaker 4: The way that it matters to you, you wouldn't meaning,

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Speaker 4: if this was as cut and dry and clear of

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Speaker 4: an impact on the electorate, you wouldn't have Trump and

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Speaker 4: Biden effectively tied in all the national.

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Speaker 3: Polls right now.

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Speaker 4: Now, that's not good for Biden. I know you can

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Speaker 4: look deeper in the data and there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: things that indicate weakness, and they want different candidates and

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Speaker 4: all this. But you know, every every Democrat who voted

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Speaker 4: from last time is going to vote from this time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is that is not changing with Trump

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Speaker 4: as his opponent. There is not a single person that

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Speaker 4: I can think of that I have ever spoken to

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Speaker 4: in real life who was like, yeah, I voted for

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Speaker 4: Biden in twenty twenty. This time around, I'm voting for

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Speaker 4: Donald J. But see, what they're not going to do

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Speaker 4: is show up. That's my theory.

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Speaker 3: You're right.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people because they're so invested.

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Speaker 2: They may even say I'm voting for Biden, but then

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Speaker 2: they're going to be like, I'm not going to go

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Speaker 2: stand in line on election.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even going to fill out this ballot.

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Speaker 4: No one really believes who's casting a ballot for Biden

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Speaker 4: next year. No one really would believe that they're voting

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Speaker 4: for four years of Biden. They're voting for the continuation

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Speaker 4: of Democrat control with Obama advisors and policies to be implemented.

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Speaker 4: That's you know, remember in the beginning with Joe Biden,

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Speaker 4: it was he was a trojan horse, and now we

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Speaker 4: see he's like a figurehead, right, I mean, the trojan

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Speaker 4: horse component was I'm going to unify the country. I'm good,

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Speaker 4: old Grandpa Joe, you can trust me. Now he's just

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Speaker 4: the vessel through which the Democrats can continue to pursue

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Speaker 4: the policies they want. I really think. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: one of the most important political essays I've read all year,

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Speaker 4: was that Obama factor essay that we talked about on

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Speaker 4: the show, where it was just this is a de

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Speaker 4: facto continuation of Obama's third term with some you know,

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Speaker 4: old befuddled white dude as the president. You know, you know, technically,

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Speaker 4: but the advisors around him, and the apparatus of the

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Speaker 4: Democrat Party and the cabinet members and all the rest

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Speaker 4: of it is effectively Obama three point zero. And so

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Speaker 4: if that is what you're getting for a lot of Democrats,

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Speaker 4: they're like, well, let's just do Obama four point zero

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Speaker 4: in essence, without it necessarily even being Michelle Obama who's

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Speaker 4: on the ticket. It's just Joe Biden as the guy.

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Speaker 4: When was the here's a question for you, when was

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Speaker 4: the last time you think Joe Biden pounded the table

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Speaker 4: in the Oval Office and made a decision that overrode

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Speaker 4: his advisors that didn't have anything to do with Hunter Biden. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: take that off the table, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean. I don't think it's happened. This

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Speaker 3: is why the ultimate question is who's the decider?

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, when you vote for president of the United States,

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Speaker 2: they are putting the most in you know, because you

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Speaker 2: walked into the Oval Office and briefed George w You're

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Speaker 2: giving the most difficult decisions, things that no one else

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Speaker 2: can figure out. You're putting them on that resolute desk.

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Speaker 2: Biden is not the decider in chief. It's actually making

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Speaker 2: decisions right now. It's a collective man.

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Speaker 4: It's it's like it's like the Paris communes, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's a bunch of it's a bunch of people coming

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Speaker 4: together and around in the corridors of power and pushing out. Well,

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Speaker 4: let's we gotta we got to bounce for a second. Here,

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Speaker 1: Sanity in an Insane World. The Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. So, I

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Speaker 2: I bet a huge percentage of you are not on TikTok.

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Speaker 3: I am.

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Speaker 2: I have a TikTok account. I've never posted anything. I'm

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Speaker 2: mostly there to make sure my kids don't post crazy things.

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Speaker 2: But we've got a Clay and Buck TikTok account. So

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Speaker 2: if you are interested in TikTok, Bucket spent more time

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Speaker 2: there than I have. A lot of people evidently are

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Speaker 2: now following us on TikTok. Like you said, we've got

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Speaker 2: like fifty thousand followers or something on TikTok.

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Speaker 4: I mean there are girls who do makeup tutorials who

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Speaker 4: have like six million, but we do have fifty thousand.

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Speaker 2: So's that well, this is why I could barely spend

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Speaker 2: any time on Instagram, because you know, I'm out there

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Speaker 2: grinding away every day for.

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Speaker 3: However many hours I'm working.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, some random hot chicken a bikini

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Speaker 2: has like four million Twitter followers, and I'm like, this

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Speaker 2: is probably not my probably not my place to die.

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Speaker 2: Instagram followers probably more than Twitter followers. Yes, yes, oh

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Speaker 2: did I say Twitter. I'm in Instagram.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she's a scholar as well, but yeah, I post

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Speaker 4: from my own Twitter account.

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Speaker 2: Instagram. You know, I have people who post things and

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Speaker 2: everything else. But we have got a smart social media team,

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Speaker 2: and we have a take that we put up of

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift, and we I was ripping

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Speaker 2: Travis Kelce for taking money from bud Light, but worse

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Speaker 2: than that, taking money from Pfizer and trying to encourage

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Speaker 2: young people out there, which is the target market that

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Speaker 2: they're using and trying to reach by using Travis kelcey

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Speaker 2: to get the COVID shot. My argument is, certainly, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're a teenager twenty thirty, certainly, if you're younger

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Speaker 2: than twenty, the idea that you would get the COVID shot,

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Speaker 2: to me is crazy. You actually have far more risk

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Speaker 2: as a young man than you do any benefit. So

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Speaker 2: they put up a clip and it wasn't about the

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Speaker 2: COVID shot necessarily, and we got like five hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: Twitter fallow, i mean views on TikTok, and then we

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Speaker 2: got a strike because the Taylor swift people evidently were

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Speaker 2: upset because we weren't being nice enough to Travis Kelce.

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Speaker 4: Clay Clay got dinged by the Swifties for hate's speech

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Speaker 4: against Kelsey. That's how this all went down.

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Speaker 3: These stories are crazy, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Would you have ever believed that you would be on

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Speaker 2: this show saying Clay got dinged by the Swifties for

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Speaker 2: hate speech about Travis Kelce.

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Speaker 3: It's a crazy world we live in.

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Speaker 2: Or and you just watched this clip, and I'm about

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Speaker 2: to play a historian clip I shared with you. Biden

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Speaker 2: went spent twelve minutes with the UAW in Michigan and

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Speaker 2: then turned around and got back on the plane. But

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Speaker 2: we mentioned that this Axios lead story was about the

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Speaker 2: fact that they have changed the steps for Air Force one.

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Speaker 2: You watch this video Buck the news like they're basically

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Speaker 2: putting him in the very bottom of Air Force One.

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Speaker 2: If you have ever seen that sort of majestic scene

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Speaker 2: where the president lands, comes out on Air Force one,

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Speaker 2: or walks up the steps, turns, almost always waves right

881
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Speaker 2: president comes out, it's a very staged affair. Hey, let

882
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Speaker 2: me wave. I'm at the very top of this huge staircase.

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Speaker 2: Every single one of you listening right now has seen

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Speaker 2: that at some point in time.

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Speaker 3: The idea is it's majestic.

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Speaker 2: Air Force One conveys the pomp, the circumstance, the power

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Speaker 2: of the United States of America. They now buck when

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Speaker 2: you see this staircase that they're putting him on. They're

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Speaker 2: basically having him walk up like fifteen stairs and go

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Speaker 2: into the bowels of the airplane because they don't think

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Speaker 2: he can walk the stairs anymore. Again, I just say

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Speaker 2: to everyone out there, if you are a Democrat and

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Speaker 2: you are doing all of this, pull yourself out of

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Speaker 2: how close you are watching this and think what.

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Speaker 3: Are we doing?

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Speaker 4: Every Democrat is thinking the choice is between Biden and

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Speaker 4: his walker and his sippy cup and the end of democracy. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's what they've convinced themselves. Here is historian Jean Mitchim

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Speaker 4: saying that this is basically the end. If we don't

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Speaker 4: have a Biden Democrat victory, play.

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Speaker 3: Ten this whole election.

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Speaker 9: The Constitution. Think about this, The Constitution, if the numbers

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Speaker 9: are even remotely true, is going to come down to

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Speaker 9: a couple one hundred thousand people in five states.

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Speaker 3: Rights. That's where we are.

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Speaker 9: And so to some extent, the appeal has to be,

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Speaker 9: if you are one of these folks in Michigan, in Pennsylvania,

908
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Speaker 9: in Arizona, if you're there, do you want to terminate

909
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Speaker 9: the Constitution? And if you do, you better be sure

910
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Speaker 9: your team's always going to be in power.

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Speaker 4: Let me make it just a quick wait, just a

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Speaker 4: quick case here on the terminate the Constitution argument. Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump at various points when he was president, many points,

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Speaker 4: and I think it was an abuse of the law.

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Speaker 4: Had federal judges who put forward these universal one federal

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Speaker 4: judge would say Nope, sorry, President, can't do that. And

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Speaker 4: then you know what Trump's response always was, It's not

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Speaker 4: what the Obama response was, It's not what the Biden

919
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Speaker 4: response was. They would always try to just do it

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Speaker 4: and make someone stop them from doing it. The Trump

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Speaker 4: response was all right, well, we'll see you in court

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Speaker 4: and we'll see if we can make it up through

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Speaker 4: the appeals process and take it to the Supreme Court. Remember,

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Speaker 4: Obama lost the Supreme Court eleven out of thirteen times

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Speaker 4: on issues of basically abuse of power. That's one part

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Speaker 4: and the other part. You and I both made this

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Speaker 4: point many times. It's a critical one. Trump was given

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Speaker 4: in the biggest invitation to straight up autocracy in certainly

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Speaker 4: in living memory in this country. I mean nothing else

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Speaker 4: I think even comes close. I mean even much more

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Speaker 4: so than even in the aftermath of nine to eleven.

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Speaker 4: We were united to face an enemy. When you're looking

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Speaker 4: at a pandemic and everyone's scared of their neighbor, the

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Speaker 4: opening for autocracy there is enormous. And while I have

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Speaker 4: some criticisms of everybody involved in COVID, including Trump, at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day he left it to states

937
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Speaker 4: to make their own decisions and did not take it

938
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Speaker 4: as an opportunity to be a tyrant. And Joe Biden

939
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Speaker 4: did take it as an opportunity to be a tyrant.

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Speaker 4: So this notion and an unconstitutional one. Yeah, the notion

941
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Speaker 4: that Trump is the end of the Constitution is hysterical nonsense,

942
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Speaker 4: and people who say it should should honestly, take take

943
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Speaker 4: a walk, calm down.

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Speaker 2: I think from a historic perspective, Trump had an opportunity

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Speaker 2: the likes of which we have not seen since World

946
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Speaker 2: War Two, act sweeping federal power. And obviously Roosevelt did

947
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Speaker 2: it during World War Two. To even use Japanese internment

948
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Speaker 2: camps as an example, that was how sweeping his power

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Speaker 2: was during World War Two. Since then and your point,

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Speaker 2: I think it makes sense. In the immediate aftermath of

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Speaker 2: nine to eleven, when we were unclear whether there might

952
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Speaker 2: be more attacks coming, the president to protect the country

953
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Speaker 2: did enact many different policies, but that was a relatively

954
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Speaker 2: short lived process other than World War Two. Most of

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Speaker 2: us right now, and I know there are some of

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Speaker 2: you out there that in living memory can recall the

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Speaker 2: World War Two process. Most of us cannot. You're right,

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Speaker 2: and these historians really and this particular clip we're playing

959
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Speaker 2: as John Meacham, but also Michael Beschlos said, do you

960
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Speaker 2: remember what he said if Republicans win in twenty twenty two,

961
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Speaker 2: there's going to be firing squads. I'm paraphrasing, but he

962
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Speaker 2: went on MSNBC and basically said people are going to

963
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Speaker 2: be lining up and shooting people who disagree with them politically.

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Speaker 2: These people are uniquely indefensible to me, Buck, because I look,

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Speaker 2: if you're Karine Jean Pierre and you are a partisan

966
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Speaker 2: political shill and you go on and you make arguments

967
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Speaker 2: that are untrue, I don't appreciate it, but I understand

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Speaker 2: that it's part of the game. You always talk about

969
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Speaker 2: Senator Harry Reid lying about miss Romney Romney and it worked,

970
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Speaker 2: And so it's unfortunate to have lies at the heart

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Speaker 2: of the political process.

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Speaker 3: But if you're a rabid partisan, that often happens.

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Speaker 2: The whole point of being a historian, and certainly one

974
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Speaker 2: of these public historians who goes on and talks about

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Speaker 2: the context of American history and are a unique experiment

976
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: as a republic is that you have perspective.

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Speaker 3: And aren't a prisoner.

978
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Speaker 2: Of the moment to say that the Constitution won't exist

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Speaker 2: if Donald Trump is elected president?

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Speaker 3: Do we I mean?

981
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Speaker 2: I would love to hear John Meacham say, okay, so historically,

982
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Speaker 2: can you point me to a moment in time where

983
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Speaker 2: any president has been trying to put his chief political

984
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Speaker 2: rival in prison for the rest of his life.

985
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Speaker 3: This's never happened before. So he wouldn't be able to

986
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Speaker 3: point to a historic moment.

987
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Speaker 2: Isn't that a bigger threat than anything that Donald Trump

988
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Speaker 2: might do if he were elected president?

989
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Speaker 3: These people, these historians.

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Speaker 2: Frankly Buck, I mean, I get really fired up about this,

991
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Speaker 2: the fact that they would go on because they're leaning.

992
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Speaker 2: They're using their imprimature of legitimacy to argue something that

993
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Speaker 2: isn't entirely without defense from a historical basis.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like I wrote a big, dusty book

995
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Speaker 4: about Rutherford B. Hayes, so listen to me now on

996
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Speaker 4: the future of democracy in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of how this goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're treated as if they are above reproach.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Bechelo's saying people are going to

1000
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Speaker 2: get shot, lined up and shot. If I think he

1001
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Speaker 2: said I'm not sure we'll have another pre election after this,

1002
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Speaker 2: this should.

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Speaker 3: Be credibility destroying immediately. But this, Clay, this is all

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Speaker 3: going to.

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Speaker 4: Why you know, I think we have to be so

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Speaker 4: careful about analyzing the feelings and the mood of the

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Speaker 4: country from a right of center perspective. People democrats on

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Speaker 4: the left when it comes to Trump, I mean, they

1009
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Speaker 4: we're going now into eight years of this. They have

1010
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Speaker 4: been conditioned in like Pavlovian fashion, they have been conditioned

1011
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Speaker 4: to be terrified at the prospect of Trump being in

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Speaker 4: office again. Yeah, and and that means that, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's a very different calculation than it would be

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Speaker 4: in a normal, you know, normal election year. You know,

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Speaker 4: would would some random Republican up against Joe Biden doddering

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Speaker 4: around do better? You know, I don't think we're going

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Speaker 4: to get to find out. We'll see.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's switch gears here for a second.

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