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Speaker 4: Hey, welcome back for yet another hour of our broadcast

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Speaker 4: coverage from the NFL Combine. Jerry Dulac along with Dale

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Speaker 4: Wawley and Max Starks. We spent our first hour together

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Speaker 4: talking about Bill Hillgrove and talking with Bill Hillgrove, the

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Speaker 4: voice of the Steelers who's retiring after thirty years with

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Speaker 4: the Steelers. Bill will continue on broadcasting pit basketball and

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Speaker 4: football for at least one more year, fifty first season

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Speaker 4: covering pit football and fifty five I think it is

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Speaker 4: with pitt basketball, So congratulations to him. We could spend

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Speaker 4: hour two talking about them, but we will move on

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Speaker 4: with what is happening here at the combine. An he

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Speaker 4: takeaways a max from yesterday that kind of caught your eye.

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Speaker 5: I mean, nothing yet, and I know today's the first

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Speaker 5: day of really field, and after we get off the airwaves,

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Speaker 5: I'm actually going to skid daddle over because they'll be

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Speaker 5: doing They're arriving on the field as we speak. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they're arriving on the field right now. And then they're

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Speaker 5: going to be mid flexibility testing some of the vertical

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Speaker 5: jump because I want to see what these d linemen because,

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Speaker 5: like you said, that's something that's of interest to us.

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Speaker 5: So I really want to see what guys are doing

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Speaker 5: and how they're showing because I want to see explosiveness

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Speaker 5: of Brian Murphy because the kid looks like in a die.

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Speaker 5: And then of course deanre Sweats is another one.

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Speaker 2: Right. I want to ask you about those two guys

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Speaker 2: because they're two different players. Yeah, yeah, they're.

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Speaker 5: Two different players to play on the same right, on

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Speaker 5: the same squad too. By the way, it's almost it's

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Speaker 5: almost like the Casey Hampton. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Sean Rodgers, Sean Rodgers, Yes, that's what Sean Rodgers.

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Speaker 5: Was the bigger guy. Yeah, he was the squarter squatter guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and they both were great pro tremendous growth. That's a

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Speaker 5: great comp and so it'll be interesting to see how

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Speaker 5: both of those guys test. I mean, I'm sure everybody's

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Speaker 5: gonna want to see that, but that's what I want

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Speaker 5: to really put my eyes and then kind of put

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Speaker 5: my eyes on some of the other guys around there, because,

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Speaker 5: like you said, d tackle is a very important position

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Speaker 5: for us, and it's something that we're going to attack

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Speaker 5: at some point, you know, as much as I'm saying

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Speaker 5: Day two being a primary zone for that. But like

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Speaker 5: you said, sometimes situations push you into a situation depending

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Speaker 5: on how the draft falls. Because we can look at

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Speaker 5: all these mock drafts out there and we can postulate

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Speaker 5: and like you said, pontificate about them, but at the

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Speaker 5: end of the day, we don't know what another team's

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Speaker 5: going to do or what team is going to trade

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Speaker 5: because they think they know what you're doing to leap

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Speaker 5: frog you. So you have to be ready and you

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Speaker 5: have to assess everybody and slot that board. So but

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Speaker 5: those are two guys of interest that I'm looking forward

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Speaker 5: to seeing before I have to do my ow my responsibilities.

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Speaker 4: So you know, we we know there's so many offensive tackles, yes,

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Speaker 4: left and right, who could go in the first round.

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Speaker 4: There's not a lot of those who are defensive tackles now,

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Speaker 4: but there are one or two, yes, And if you

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Speaker 4: could get one of them, and it might be one

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Speaker 4: of these two guys, it'll be worth your first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: It depends on what you're looking for, though, Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: depends on what these are Baltimore Ravens tackle. If there is.

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Speaker 5: Interior guy, if ever there was one, Yeah, No, he

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Speaker 5: fits their mold perfectly. And I think he fits into

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Speaker 5: the things that we want to do as a defense

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Speaker 5: which is a la Casey Hampton, that's what we're gonna

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Speaker 5: We're gonna take a hard look at that, and you

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Speaker 5: need But he's also got some passoroe to him as well.

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Speaker 5: He does, and that's what I loved, And that's why

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Speaker 5: you know what people are like, Oh, well, he's too big,

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Speaker 5: you know, and people are asking him about his weight.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday on the podium, I was like, why are we

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Speaker 5: asking Hi about his weight? I said, performance, I was

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Speaker 2: It's not the old school.

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Speaker 5: Hey, I can only play in based defense, Like this

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Speaker 5: guy can line up if you have him shaded in

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Speaker 5: need or say, hey we do some line shifts. You

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Speaker 5: gotta go out to three. I don't feel uncomfortable with

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Speaker 5: the idea. It's not like, oh, it's only Bier Murphy.

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Speaker 5: They can play the three.

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Speaker 5: You can utilize him, and he's so big to have

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Speaker 2: I watched it in a game and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I want that guy immediately.

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Speaker 5: I saw him immediately, didn't even I didn't know, you know,

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Speaker 5: I like that guy right there, and I literally texted like, hey,

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Speaker 5: Devandre sweat, I love this dude. And I just left

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Speaker 5: it at that, and I've been leveled him ever since,

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Speaker 5: and he's a guy I was like, we could pop.

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Speaker 5: We could absolutely use that type of guy because I

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Speaker 5: go call that game on Saturday, then I watched Steeler

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Speaker 5: it and how he could be utilized. I think Biyer

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Speaker 5: Murphy will probably go for for earlier because once again,

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Speaker 5: the looks department. He's all get off the bus team,

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Speaker 5: Like the kid is like three hundred plus pounds, but

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Speaker 5: he looks like he's two sixty, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no body fat on him.

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Speaker 5: But like you said, what is his use because he

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Speaker 5: didn't stand out as much as Sweat did when I

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Speaker 5: doesn't have the typical length that you look for in

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Speaker 5: want six three sixty four and they want eight hanger arms. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you want the long arms so you can get around

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Speaker 4: So you have several of those type body types of

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Speaker 4: same deal, but those maybe not aren't the exact type

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Speaker 4: You know, ideally if you can the Cam Hayward type

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no you do.

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Speaker 5: But I mean you think about how the Steelers now

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Speaker 5: that's where I think Devandre Sweat really brings in value.

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Speaker 2: Over those guys. Yeah, could have Biro Murphy do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure he could, but it would take a

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Speaker 5: year or two to get I think to he could

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Speaker 5: fit in like Keanu Bitton did. Right, You can kind

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Speaker 5: of start to wave him in there, have him as

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Speaker 5: a second wave of guys, because we know Carl Dunbar

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Speaker 5: have a double line. He's a guy that could fit

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Speaker 2: So I would love to see that, and.

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Speaker 5: That's why I think I'm kind of I'm all in

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Speaker 5: on that guy in a day two situation, But like

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Speaker 5: you said, could he do enough here that changes his minds?

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Speaker 5: And now they're like, Okay, he's day one because you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's only because there's not a lot of

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Speaker 6: What about a guy like Darius Robinson who has the

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Speaker 6: and done both well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, and like you said, I think he's

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Speaker 5: a versatili guy, especially when you think about Cam Hayward's replacement, right,

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Speaker 5: I think that's where he fits in that category. So

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Speaker 5: how you feel about the trajectory we're talking about it?

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Speaker 5: The first guy off the bus dude? Yeah, no, he

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Speaker 5: he has all the looks and more so, I mean

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Speaker 5: he would fit that.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's it's the longevity and durability in the AFC North like,

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Speaker 5: because if I'm not mistake, and he there was a

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Speaker 5: lot more pass rush on his film than a lot

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Speaker 5: a good balance, and I felt like in the Big

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Speaker 5: twelve you saw a lot of that balance.

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Speaker 2: That's why We also saw a lot of Texas on TV.

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Speaker 5: You know this this past year, so we got to

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Speaker 5: see a lot most I would have to dive in

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Speaker 5: a little bit more on Darius Robinson, but what I

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Speaker 5: saw from the past, he has the wiggle, he has

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Speaker 5: the moves, and especially for that side, it's the long arms, right,

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Speaker 5: the long arms of what matter. I saw him at

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Speaker 5: the senior of them. I'm like, he looks like a

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Speaker 5: Greek god, Like, yeah, exact. You like, you're like, wait,

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Speaker 2: So the lack of long arms.

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Speaker 4: You start looking at guys, you know NFL prototypes along

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Speaker 4: Javon Hargrave type of guy, you know, not real tall,

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Speaker 4: of can you know, they'll blend into that thirty four

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Speaker 4: if you have to. But again, because they play so

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Speaker 4: much sub package, then it's almost like they're a better

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Speaker 4: fit there. Yeah, Steelers play so much.

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Speaker 5: Steelers play so much so you don't see the base

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Speaker 5: three four that they're known for. The Dick Labo style

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Speaker 5: you get into a Cleveland game where you know that that.

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Speaker 2: Dorsey pre Kin Norsey era Cleveland.

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Speaker 5: Or even if you're looking at Baltimore because Patrick Ricard

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Speaker 5: an extra lineman. He's just he's just stubby, and he's

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Speaker 5: a he's a quick guard. So you know, those are

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Speaker 5: the games that you really see them. But then, like

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Speaker 5: you said, more more sub package sets when you get

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Speaker 5: against a Cincinnati That's what was strange about this past season, Max,

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Speaker 5: was because the Steelers played so many teams that had

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Speaker 5: they used a true full back.

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Speaker 6: Uh, they played more base this past season than they

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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean that's what they want to do.

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Speaker 6: That's a good thing to have as an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: So did did you say, are you sold on Darius Robinson?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's somewhere riding and I mean, if you you

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Speaker 5: Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: One thing the Steelers don't need uh in the draft

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Speaker 6: weigh in whoa so basically yeah what he said, I mean,

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00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,480
Speaker 6: he's if he's if he's holding that weight and maintaining it, Yeah,

436
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:02,400
Speaker 6: that's what you want to see.

437
00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,560
Speaker 2: He didn't want to see him come in, Yeah he was.

438
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,960
Speaker 2: He wasn't up and down. Yeah, yeah, he wasn't interested

439
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,480
Speaker 2: in coming in lighter. No, No, He's like, listen, I

440
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,160
Speaker 2: am what I am?

441
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 5: Right, he's Popeye said, got a little yeah exactly when

442
00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,720
Speaker 5: I yeah, I am what I am? So yeah, No,

443
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 5: that's a that's a big boy. I think I could

444
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 5: probably the most I would see. I'd probably like to

445
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 5: see him a three fifty five, probably because that's where

446
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,359
Speaker 5: I think he was. By the Big twelve Championship game,

447
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 5: he was he was it because they were like, they're

448
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 5: listed three forty.

449
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, it ain't three forty, especially in

450
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:32,600
Speaker 2: the all white jersey.

451
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,120
Speaker 5: I was like no, and I said, yeah, I said,

452
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 5: I said, I said, I said, I said that that

453
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,280
Speaker 5: is that is that is five gallons of milk and

454
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,120
Speaker 5: a three gallon jug.

455
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,359
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But like you said, but

456
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:44,280
Speaker 2: he didn't leave the field.

457
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 5: He played on the field at that weight and he

458
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 5: was He was serviceable and dynamic at that weight. So

459
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 5: you know he is what he is. And listen, I

460
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,719
Speaker 5: still I still, I still like it. Or as uh

461
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 5: as Ron wolf Lee Craig's brother would say, he's a

462
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,600
Speaker 5: butt gut all you see his button gut with him.

463
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 6: They got some other measurements coming in on some of

464
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 6: the guys here that are over there. How about the

465
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison Junior came in at six three in two

466
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 6: eight six two two nine, The arms for only thirty

467
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 6: two thirty two inches long.

468
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 2: Thought longer.

469
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's got a seventy seven and a quarter

470
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 6: inch wingspan.

471
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: So he was sending white shoulders, say, white shoulders, white chest.

472
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's nine and a half inch. I mean,

473
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 4: he's after what I saw in the field. I'm not

474
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 4: worried about how long his arms. Yeah, arms seemed to

475
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 4: be long enough.

476
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. What what's his radius anything? Yeah? Anything in

477
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 2: the area coeah exactly. Wow your arm length, Marvin long enough? Yeah, exactly,

478
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 2: what's the route?

479
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,479
Speaker 6: But some of these defensive linemen we were talking about,

480
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,360
Speaker 6: for example, Braydon Fisk comes in with thirty one inch

481
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 6: arms and that's that's troublesome.

482
00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 2: What's the problem with that man?

483
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 5: Because so the biggest problem, especially with defensive lineman, you

484
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 5: have to have a full lockout. So when we're talking

485
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 5: about the Cam Heyward lockout, the Cam Hayward long arm stab,

486
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 5: like those type of situations, or if you're asked to gap,

487
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 5: you have to be able to hold it, make sure

488
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 5: that offensive lineman can't get your inside chest, so being

489
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 5: able to come in tight and go. The problem is

490
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 5: if you have shorter arms, offensive line we can go

491
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 5: over your arms and still get your chest.

492
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 2: That's what you're trying to prevent.

493
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 5: And the long arm stab has to be dynamic to

494
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 5: create that separation. When they do quote unquote get skinny

495
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 5: with the lateral move, that's where the arm length comes

496
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 5: in and it's not so much about the wingspan of

497
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 5: the guy. It's how far can I get extension from

498
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 5: you to him to create that separation so I can

499
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 5: still see as opposed to getting engaged with the guy

500
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 5: or a lineman pulling me in close because he has

501
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 5: longer arms than a guy.

502
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 6: With thirty one inch arms rushing against Max Stark's Yeah,

503
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 6: he's still prayer, he's got he's got no chance.

504
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: Now he's got no prayer. Bigger detriment.

505
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 4: Shorter arms for a defensive tackle or shorter arms for

506
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 4: an offensive lineman offensive tackle.

507
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: Shorter arms is a problem.

508
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 5: Tackle tackle not tacklessarily guard no guard, because guard I

509
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 5: got biceps, right, you know that's where the grip strength

510
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 5: that you're talking about the fan express and everything.

511
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in the phone booth.

512
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 5: I can ragdall you because we both got short arms.

513
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna win because I'm naturally stronger than you. But

514
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 5: at tackle that link because you're creating the width of

515
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 5: the pocket for the quarterback and if a guy gets

516
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 5: into your chest, that automatically caves that with and so

517
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 5: you need to be able, if anything, to get that

518
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 5: one arm to get them messing with it creates another

519
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 5: two to three feet of width because he's still trying

520
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 5: to break into your core, you.

521
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 4: Know, because we're talking about that, not specifically, but about tackles.

522
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 4: Is Broderick Jones what you saw this past year ready

523
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 4: to be a left tackle and where do you feel

524
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 4: will they continue on with Dan Moore? Do you think

525
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 4: this will be his last year? I know that's a

526
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 4: tough one to answer, but.

527
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 5: It's a tough one answer because, like you said, you

528
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,479
Speaker 5: don't know what guys are doing in the office right

529
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 5: now to get better. I think there's a lot of

530
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 5: things that Progerc still needs to clean up that you

531
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 5: can't just athlete your way out of. And we saw

532
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 5: that the inside move at the right tackle position was

533
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 5: an issue for him, especially you think of you know,

534
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 5: a couple of games this year, you know where I

535
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 5: was like, whoa, hey, you got to cut that inside off,

536
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 5: but he was athletic enough to recover, get parallel and

537
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 5: wash a guy front. But you want to keep the

538
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 5: picket fence for a can he pickett? You want to

539
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 5: keep that fence intacted. So that's some of the things

540
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 5: where if he can clean that up, and the footwork

541
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 5: because he glides at left tackle, but he glides to depth.

542
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 5: He doesn't glide to the intersection point. So those are

543
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 5: something sounds very new and I'm getting really technical on here,

544
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 5: but it's I pick a point that I think is

545
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 5: our intersection point, and I get there and I hold

546
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 5: and I'm strong. He still kind of guides and glides

547
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 5: a little bit too deep, allowing for the secondary move.

548
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 5: Because you're always trying to prevent what is the counter? Like,

549
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 5: I know what your number one move is, you're gonna

550
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 5: give it to me, But what's your counter off of that?

551
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 5: So when you get a guy that has a long

552
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 5: arm stab and he has a swim over to the inside,

553
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 5: that's where he was susceptible run game, no questions at all.

554
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 5: I think he can play either side in the run game,

555
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 5: but I think he probably needs one more year to

556
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 5: season at right tackle before moving him over to the left,

557
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 5: just to get the base foundational principles and to become

558
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,239
Speaker 5: a guy who can be strong on either leg as

559
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 5: opposed to being a right leg dependent guy, which he

560
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 5: still is right now, I.

561
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 4: Know it sounds simplistic Max to say that, well, the

562
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 4: run game not coincidence. The run game really started flourishing

563
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 4: when Broderick Jones came in at right tackle.

564
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 2: Simplistic or is it.

565
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 5: True, simplistic attitude he brought. He brought an attitude that

566
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 5: offense the offensive line. Before Broderick Jones gets inserted into

567
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 5: the lineup, there was no identity to this offensive line.

568
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 5: Like back when I played, we knew what the identity was.

569
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 5: It was Alan Fanicut right, it was Jeff Harding's like

570
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 5: you knew what it was me and Kendall Simmons on

571
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 5: that right side. And then of course when you get

572
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 5: a pouncy and and Hartwick was in. We had Chris

573
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 5: kum Yat too, along with Willie Cologne. Like you had

574
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 5: that nastiness that was naturally a part of the identity

575
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 5: of our group. You know we finished at the end

576
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 5: of the ball. You didn't stand around the ball carrier

577
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 5: if there was a scrum because you knew one of

578
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 5: us was gonna be torpedoing over the top to finish

579
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 5: you off and clan quote unquote clean the pile up.

580
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 5: So they didn't have that. You didn't really see that

581
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 5: last year or the.

582
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 2: Year before the year before, especially the year before it

583
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: was I was like, man, these are all choir boys

584
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: out here. I was surprised at that because you see

585
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: other teams do that. But it just stood out to

586
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: me that.

587
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 5: I was begging, and I said it on the broadcast,

588
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 5: like just just punch somebody in the face. I mean,

589
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 5: just randomly punch a guy in the face for no reason,

590
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: just to set a tone, because that's what we did,

591
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 5: Like we got into fights on there because it was

592
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 5: it's a ma cheesemo thing.

593
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: When you get to the offensive line.

594
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 5: Roderick definitely, and Broderick was about to get in a

595
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 5: fight like literally seven times a game and that that

596
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 5: but that picked up.

597
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: You saw Dad More pick his game up.

598
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 5: You saw James Daniels next to him have a little

599
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 5: issue about him, and even Isaac c Amalo, who is

600
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 5: like a monk out there, he was he was willing

601
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 5: to mix it up a little bit, and I think

602
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 5: that's what you needed and that's what really gave them

603
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 5: the identity. And so nause now feeds off of that.

604
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 5: Jalen feeds off of that. Connor Hayward feeds off of

605
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 5: that when we're doing some of our some of our

606
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 5: off the ball f stuff where he was lead blocking

607
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 5: on the edges, and it just created a different mentality,

608
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 5: and Broderick was pulling on the tackle trap.

609
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: I mean Seahawk game famously.

610
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 5: That poor dB I don't know his name, but I

611
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 5: guarantee he's still running away from Broderick Jones because he

612
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 5: absolutely steamrolled him like a train on the tracks.

613
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: And how long it had it been since we've seen

614
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: the tackle trap? Yeah, forever, right forever.

615
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 5: I didn't even run it back in my day, like

616
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 5: we tried it a couple of times, so it'd been

617
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 5: talking about two thousand, two thousand football.

618
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: It was sweet music to Wolf though, to see that

619
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: tackle trip. Oh he he he, he got. He got

620
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: a little glint in his eye that he couldn't wait

621
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: to talk. The glinted he gets a nice when you

622
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: see some food.

623
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 5: Exactly, it's usually a thirty two ounce prib prime rib,

624
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 5: but I mean in that situation, it was prime rib

625
00:26:59,400 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 5: on the move.

626
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 2: You know, I'd like to see Wolf of Gierdonald's. Yeah.

627
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: I think, Mike, he might get up there with you

628
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: seven faces. He might beat you.

629
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 5: He might beat me because he's also he's been practicing

630
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 5: with Caliente Pizza, so he's he's had a little bit

631
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 5: more of a was it Porky's Revenge, I believe is

632
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 5: his favorite dish, So he would have been able to

633
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: have the meat, more meat that we had.

634
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: At our table the other night. Yeah.

635
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, we get some more measurements here from some of

636
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 6: these defensive tackles Ruke Rojo from Clemson.

637
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: So you're better at that. There we go.

638
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 5: Six four ninety four thirty four inch arms. Okay, I

639
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 5: like him big enough, big enough to ride your ride.

640
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 6: On the other hand, Gerson Newton or Johnny Dujohn Yeah,

641
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 6: six one and five eighths three oh four thirty two

642
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 6: in zo point three to eight inch arms.

643
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that.

644
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 5: He's probably right and five eighths probably right at the cutoff. Yeah, yeah,

645
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 5: of the the minimum, but you want.

646
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 6: Thirty three and longer Massan Smith Yeah, six six five

647
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 6: and an eighth three oh six thirty five inch arms.

648
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 5: Love him now, love him you kind of all the God,

649
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 5: oh my god, I mean I had him four times

650
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 5: last year. Eighty four point six two inch wingspan. Jesus,

651
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 5: that's an aircraft that's getting up into your range. Yeah,

652
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: that is, that's pretty long. I mean he's an upside guy.

653
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 5: Though he's upside, he's he's approget a couple of years.

654
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 5: He doesn't play, he doesn't have a consistent motor. He

655
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 5: does get himself out leveraged because like you said, you're

656
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 5: six foot five. He stands up, chess is exposed.

657
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: I see.

658
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 5: I've seen smaller guys kind of get into him a

659
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 5: little bit. So he's got to work on that Cam

660
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 5: Hayward type of one to two year. I gotta work

661
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 5: on and understand. My long arm stabbed so I can

662
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 5: not expose my chest. But I mean, like you said,

663
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 5: that's a that's a lot of natural uh you know,

664
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 5: surface areas.

665
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Speaker 6: There's a lot of length there to work. It's crazy

666
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 6: thing is his hands are only eight and a half inches.

667
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 6: Oh so he said, these long arms a little tiny Harney.

668
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: Smells like cabbage. Day two guy, or is he day

669
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Speaker 2: day day three? Two? Ends of two?

670
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 5: Beginning of right, Yeah, he's right, he's right there into

671
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 5: three probably four is where he goes.

672
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Speaker 2: We're gonna take a break. We're gonna come back with

673
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: more of our coverage from the NFL Combine. We're at

674
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Speaker 2: the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis. Jerry do Lack, Dalelawley

675
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: and Max Starts will be back right after this.

676
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Speaker 1: Life from the twenty twenty four NFL Combine these Steelers

677
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Speaker 1: Nation Radio.

678
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Speaker 2: What's working? This is my final segment for the week,

679
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: and the top of the hour would turn things over

680
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: to uh Dale and Max are gonna you're still here

681
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: right now? Oh you're going after this too? Yeah, you

682
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: guys terrific you too. And Matt. Yeah, I'm leaving a baby,

683
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: but you guys, are you back tomorrow? You're gone? Right,

684
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm gone, Dale is of course I am back. I

685
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: won't beat Dale. Yeah, I know you'll miss me, but

686
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: it's okay. I'll see you soon enough. Yes, you will.

687
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: Won't be very long.

688
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 5: You'll be seeing We'll all be sitting down in Orlando

689
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 5: for the owners, that's right, I mean, and I'll be

690
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: hearing about Jerry's round at my.

691
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: Favorite golf course, Shingle Creek. That's right, Shingle Creek, maybe

692
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: right behind one of several I might visit, Yeah, you know,

693
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: to go real estate hunting.

694
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, bay Hill not far away either, the neighborhood.

695
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: And then the meetings are at the Grand Lakes j

696
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Speaker 2: W and the brig Yeah.

697
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I mean that Grand Lakes is beautiful course.

698
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 5: So I played a couple of tournaments there.

699
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what a PGA tour plays a father

700
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: son event, correct, And they had Tiffany's does an event

701
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: there too? Do they do a Mother's Day tournament? Oh

702
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: that's nice. Yeah, a couple of years, taking my wife

703
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: and my mom, so yeah, take.

704
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 5: Them there for breakfast to Yeah, we do have breakfast

705
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 5: an so we sit down to have breakfast on Mother's

706
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Speaker 5: Day the day after.

707
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: The they actually they built a breakfast. They build it

708
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Speaker 2: as a breakfast. I never would have thought of that.

709
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: I won a marketing ploy.

710
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly, and then Jo sat at the table whoves

711
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 5: for the breakfast.

712
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: I got that. Yeah, So my my mother in law

713
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: was like just giddy.

714
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: She was like, oh my god, way, Joe, Hey, I

715
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: hear there's traffic and tourism in Orlando.

716
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: Is that right? Just a smich especially is it every

717
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: day or well just occasionally. We're going on.

718
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 5: Spring break, so it's every day during spring break. So

719
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 5: we're not going to get any reprieve. But if you

720
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 5: cut through, because SIMI I got a couple of back rows,

721
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 5: I can show you if you need to get into

722
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: get into town.

723
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: I've kind of figured it out after the many visits done.

724
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: My daughter is I'm getting to feel of the landscape. Yeah,

725
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: there were.

726
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: Of course, we're going to talk with Omar Khan here

727
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 4: at three o'clock and then he's coming over to the

728
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: podium at three thirty. He's going to be asked. You know,

729
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: we've already seen him move on from Mitch Trubisky took

730
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: the corps for the punter Presley Harving the third, and

731
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: there's probably maybe a few more still to come. Mason

732
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 4: Cole was released as well, thank you. There might be

733
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Speaker 4: a couple more a couple more moves in the horizon.

734
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 4: Probably the logical one because of he's due ten million

735
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 4: dollars in salary is Alan Robinson. Patrick Peterson might be

736
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 4: up there. He's gonna he's do six point eight million

737
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: in real money with a roster bonus and salary. Actually

738
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: it's more than it's slightly over seven. But those, if

739
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 4: you're looking for cap saving moves, those would be the

740
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 4: most logical to move. We'll see if that happens. And

741
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: do you think that might happen?

742
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 2: You know?

743
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 6: With for me, you know, I would at least approach

744
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 6: Alan Robinson's agent and say, hey, we like him.

745
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: He's not a ten million, but we like some good

746
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: things for us. You could you were there with him

747
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: here Donalds last night the other night.

748
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 6: Because he does he want to test free agency here

749
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 6: coming off a season which he was primarily a blocker?

750
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 6: Or does he would he like to come back to

751
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh And uh, you know, we'll keep the veteran leadership, right, Yeah,

752
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 6: we'll make that day. You know, a two million dollar

753
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 6: salary or three million dollar salary, we're we're good with that,

754
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 6: We're not good with ten million. Yeah, tenn is Tennis

755
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 6: is stretching it. And actually Allen was here yesterday.

756
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 5: I was actually talking to him, but he was up

757
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: here and you know, just asking about his time there.

758
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, obviously he loves the city.

759
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: But like you said, it's going to come down to dollars,

760
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 5: like how much do you love this? And you're being

761
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 5: an eleventh year receiver at this point? Production is not there?

762
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: The value do you think you have a greater value?

763
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 6: And honestly, you know, on the open market is a

764
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 6: free agent, you know, what do you think you're going

765
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 6: to get?

766
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

767
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 6: You know, is it going to be a one year,

768
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 6: two million dollar contract on the open market?

769
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: You know, that's probably what you're looking at. It's probably what.

770
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 5: You're looking at, and that signing bonus will probably keep

771
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 5: put you back down at bat minimum at the end

772
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Speaker 5: of the day.

773
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: So is how much signing bonus do you want? You

774
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: want to move again? Do you want to do that

775
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: kind of stuff?

776
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if you're looking at that kind of money

777
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: one year, two million dollars, you're probably not signing for

778
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 4: another couple of months because those kinds of signings come later,

779
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: not early.

780
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: They do exactly that. Those are those early April mid April.

781
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 5: The Patrick Peterson one, to me is a little more

782
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 5: interesting because he led the team in defensive snaps last year. Yeah,

783
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 5: he was one of three guys who had played over

784
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 5: a thousand snaps. And you've already gotten rid of one

785
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 5: of those guys in Mason Cole. That's that's all they

786
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 5: had that played over a thousand snaps. You know, are

787
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 5: you gonna let two guys go who played more, you know,

788
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 5: on the field a lot? Yeah, that was a face essentially,

789
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 5: you call it a face of your defense. Yeah, they

790
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 5: were a face of your defense. And Patrick Peterson offers

791
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 5: a lot of position flexibility. Yeah, because like you said,

792
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: he's open to playing in the slot, he's open to

793
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 5: playing at the safety position.

794
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: He can be in some dime dime linebacker situations for you.

795
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: So he presents a little bit more flexible. Also a guy.

796
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 5: If you draft one this year, as you did last

797
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 5: year with Joey Porter, you put him, put that locker

798
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 5: right next to his and say, hey, learn from this guy.

799
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 5: Roommate a training camp like Alan Robinson. So you like,

800
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 5: we have your roommate Patrick for next year. Pretty signed

801
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: up in the trow.

802
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: It's fourteen year guy at age thirty four. He might

803
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: say I don't need any right, it's gonna invoke that

804
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: veteran authority.

805
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 5: Yeah he might, but but he he also he respects

806
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 5: Mike Tomins. So Mike Tomlin tell him he's getting a roommate.

807
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 5: You take a roommate. And that's the kind of guy.

808
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, he's just a great guy. So he's

809
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 5: a pros pro.

810
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: Yes he is. He is.

811
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 5: And I mean I've known Pat for almost twenty years now.

812
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 5: I mean I've no right I know him before, you know,

813
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 5: because he's b Max's cousins. So I've known you since

814
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 5: before he got to l s U. And just a

815
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: great young man, brief brief training camp teammate in Arizona

816
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: with him as well, and Pat pass just a tremendous,

817
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 5: tremendous man. So I don't think he would have a

818
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 5: problem because I think he would see if there had

819
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 5: to be some type of restructure, I think he'd be

820
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 5: more amenable to it.

821
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 6: The great thing is when they signed Patrick last year,

822
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 6: I called b Mack and we were talking about it.

823
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 6: I was writing a story for Steelers dot Com, and

824
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 6: he was telling me he used to have all the

825
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 6: defensive backs would come down and work out with with

826
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 6: him in Florida.

827
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: And Ike was down.

828
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 5: There, and of course Patrick beats Ike in a race,

829
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 5: and and Ike's asking him, you know, what, what year

830
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: are you in the league, And they're like, no, He's

831
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 5: he's going into college next year. He'll be an LSU.

832
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 5: And I didn't BELI He's not. You gotta be like

833
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 5: a four year vet. What team he played for?

834
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, Pat, I mean Pat?

835
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 5: He has also remember like Pat's first four years in

836
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 5: Arizona when he was a punt and kick returner and

837
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 5: dB and also doing wide receiver.

838
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: Like he was. I mean, he was a phenomenal athlete.

839
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 5: I think at one point he had a touchdown in

840
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 5: all four phases that he participated in because he had

841
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 5: a he had a kick and a punt return touchdown,

842
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 5: interception return four touchdown, and a receiving touchdown.

843
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: So he's a Hall of Famous.

844
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's Hall of Fame status, So you kind of

845
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 5: give him a little bit more credence. And I think,

846
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 5: you know, like you said, if he is aster research,

847
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 5: I think he's the type of guy He's made a

848
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 5: lot of money in his career that if it's comfortability

849
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 5: and liking a system like he does with this, I

850
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 5: think he would be probably the most open to that.

851
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: He told me toward the end of the season that

852
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: his goal was to kind of to play fifteen years. Yeah,

853
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: and that means two more, right, because he's entering fourteen.

854
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 5: He's entering fourteen this year, so he's looking to finish

855
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 5: it out. I would love to see him finish in

856
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 5: the black and gold, because that's a heck of a

857
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 5: heck of a feather in the cap for us to

858
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 5: go get a guy like that, because I mean we

859
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 5: did that with Joe Hayden as well, and and Joe

860
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 5: Joe was Joe was a great steeler and we know,

861
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 5: I know he identifies with the Browns more because I

862
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 5: see him.

863
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: On that Browns, right, he was the majority of his time.

864
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think Pat was one that you know,

865
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: when you talk about that consideration, you have to put

866
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: Steelers in there more so than Minnesota.

867
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, I I I not only would

868
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: like to see him back, I think they will find

869
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 4: some way to bring him back for all the player coaches.

870
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 5: Those are the things in the same thing when people

871
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 5: would talk about, well they can't bring Cam back or

872
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 5: he at that point, you're not measuring what the man

873
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 5: is in the locker room, you know.

874
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: Stop with the number that's right.

875
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have intangibles and he's a he's been he's

876
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: been a for that status. I mean, he's one of

877
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: those guys that I'm not going to sit there and

878
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 4: say Cam is going to tell them when he's going,

879
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: But they give him that leadway and that respect that

880
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: they'll come to agreement and know they'll kind of you know,

881
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 4: they he'll get a little bit of the ben treatment

882
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 4: that last year, Okay, and what do you want to

883
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: do here?

884
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that'll be with Cam. Yeah. No, it's like

885
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: we're not we're not.

886
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 5: We're not going to push you out like a couple

887
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 5: of guys that you had that you thought, Ah, maybe

888
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 5: they're going to get to say it, but they'll say, hey,

889
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 5: we'll escort you out whenever you tell us you're ready,

890
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 5: and we'll make sure that that it's done the right way, because.

891
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: Like you said, he's only afforded it, but he's earned it. Well. Absolutely.

892
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 4: Somebody was saying, you know, in these chats I do yesterday,

893
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: how can they pay that guy? You're going to be

894
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 4: sixteen million cash twenty two salary cap. I go, he says,

895
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 4: he you know, he's thirty five by blah blah blah.

896
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: I go, He's earned it. He's earned it.

897
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 4: You're paying him for his past performance too. That there

898
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: are certain guys who get afforded that I intended.

899
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: They signed him to the deal.

900
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, they did, they knowing that that was going to

901
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 5: be the cap hit down the road.

902
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: Well, but they do that.

903
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 5: You know when you when you even when you start

904
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 5: to restructure those guys, when you restructure that, you say,

905
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 5: we think he's still going to be worth that when

906
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 5: he gets to that age. Yeah, and and think about this,

907
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 5: he just he took hardware away this year. Yeah, you know, yes,

908
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 5: you miss some time on the field, but the man

909
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 5: brought away, like I said, the greatest human being in

910
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 5: the NFL Award and the Walter Payton Man of the Year,

911
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 5: well deserved overdue.

912
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: On top of that.

913
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 5: But what he means, I mean, you're talking about a

914
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 5: guy that's only a year removed from his last Pro Bowl.

915
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: You know, was playing, like he said, you know, with

916
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 4: one leg, if that, if that, if that, yeah.

917
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: Two groins and a knee.

918
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, And he didn't didn't he have the elbow too

919
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 5: late that year and he didn't complain, he didn't go

920
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 5: on the injury report, but he played through like no,

921
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 5: I'm good.

922
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, when.

923
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 5: You have a warrior, literally a warrior like that, a gladiator, Yeah,

924
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 5: you give him that type of respect.

925
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 6: And you see some of those power defensive linemen play

926
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 6: late into their career and still be very effective.

927
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 2: Kalaias Campbell's what.

928
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 5: Thirty nine, Yeah, I will say I played Kalaias in

929
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl as a rookie in forty three. We've

930
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 5: now finished our fifty eighth Super Bowl. Okay, you know, so.

931
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 6: He's still going stressed and had a good season last year,

932
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 6: had a good.

933
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: Season, and he's solid.

934
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 5: I mean, those are the guys that when they have

935
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 5: that natural bility because just by your get the old

936
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 5: man game. Yeah, well you get those the Paul Pierce right.

937
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: You know it's never fast, but it looks quick.

938
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: That's two basketball references in the last three minutes for you.

939
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: I was a ball boy. I can't. I can't help it.

940
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: Real quick, we only have a minute left.

941
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: Could could you be more thrilled for a person to

942
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: win an award than Cam Hayward winning the Walter Payton

943
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: and the air word I I couldn't.

944
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't.

945
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 5: And I had Cam on our show in Vegas for

946
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 5: for Serious XM. And Cam comes on and you know

947
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 5: he's doing his promotions and everything, and I said, Cam,

948
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 5: I said, congratulations in advance for being the Walter Payton Man.

949
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: He said, Man, Max, don't jink. It's not a jinx.

950
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: It's the truth.

951
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: And what happened the next day he gets the spoken

952
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 5: into existence and like I said, couldn't have happened to

953
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: a better guy. I mean, watching this as a young man,

954
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 5: a rookie, just a couple of lockers down for me,

955
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 5: and what he what he's meant to the Pittsburgh community,

956
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 5: and what he gives of himself. I mean you talk

957
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 5: about it was his twelve Days of Christmas that he does,

958
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 5: you know, Craig's closet, the Hayward House Foundation, the stuff

959
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 5: he does in Atlanta, and that's also where my dad

960
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 5: had a lot of stuff. So just seeing what he

961
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 5: does and his genuineness to the nature that he gives,

962
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 5: couldn't have happened to a better human being.

963
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 4: You got that right? Uh well, boys, that's gonna do

964
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: it for me. Enjoyed being with you as always here

965
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: at the NFL Combine. With more of our coverage from

966
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Speaker 4: the NFL Combine in Indianapolis will continue. Wes Yuler and

967
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 4: of course Arthur Motes will be back right after this.

968
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Speaker 2: Is Matt Williamson joining us right there, Yeah, there he

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Speaker 2: is there. Hello there man, Matt joining along.

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Speaker 4: So stay right where you are and you'll get more

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Speaker 4: coverage from the NFL Combine. I'm Jerry Doulac along with

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Speaker 4: Dale Lawley and Max Starks. We will see you guys later.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio.