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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with Me,

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Speaker 1: Tommy de Dario, travel back in time with me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's two thousand and three. What Not to Wear debuted

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Speaker 1: on TLC, and it turned today's guests Clinton Kelly, and

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Speaker 1: Stacy London into household names. I mean, this show was

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Speaker 1: the hottest show on television and people couldn't get enough

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Speaker 1: of it. It took pop culture by storm, and it

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Speaker 1: was on air for an incredible ten years. It's something

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Speaker 1: that rarely happens in today's media landscape, so that shows

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Speaker 1: the power of the show What Not to Wear and

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Speaker 1: fame well. It hit fast, and it hit hard for

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Speaker 1: Clinton and Stacy and their lives forever changed. But behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes, while things weren't as perfect as they seemed,

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Speaker 1: and a feud was brewing between Stacy and Clinton that

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Speaker 1: became very very public.

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Speaker 2: They're falling out.

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Speaker 1: It sparked massive amounts of clickbait headlines that honestly have

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Speaker 1: disappointed Clinton and Stacy for years. But today they join

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Speaker 1: me in one of their only joint interviews since their

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Speaker 1: big recent reconciliation to share their story. These are their words,

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Speaker 1: these are their true feelings, and their truth no headlines

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Speaker 1: are being made up. In today's interview, you're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: directly from them, and it's a beautifully moving and hopeful

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Speaker 1: conversation in which they open up about the difficulties of

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Speaker 1: navigating that rapid fame and being thrust into the spotlight

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Speaker 1: in a booming reality television landscape which was, you know,

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Speaker 1: some uncharted territory. Then they talk about reuniting and taking

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Speaker 1: the next chapter of their friendship on the road. We

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Speaker 1: dive into the healing power of forgiveness, and we finish

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Speaker 1: off by talking about taking control of their careers while

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Speaker 1: not relying on anybody else but themselves. It is such

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Speaker 1: a powerfully moving conversation that I really think can help

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Speaker 1: heal many people who are faced with the choice of forgiveness.

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Speaker 1: Oh let's see if today we can get Clinton and

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Speaker 1: Stacy to say something that they've never said before. Clinton

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Speaker 1: and Stacy, how are you too. It's great to see you.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you, Tommy, great to see you, great

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Speaker 3: to meet you, great.

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Speaker 1: To meet you Stacy. Before we were recording, I think

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Speaker 1: we have to share with everybody we were talking about,

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Speaker 1: So that's a good way to meet.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry I'm sure your fan base is

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Speaker 3: just as curious as I am, Like, what is your

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Speaker 3: diet and what is your exercise regime to keep like

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Speaker 3: an eighteen package at all time?

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Speaker 2: Do you eat solid food?

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Speaker 3: Tom?

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Speaker 1: Liquid diet only. No, I'm just kidding, But that's that's

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Speaker 1: quite a way to meet, So appreciate the question, and

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to finally meet you, Stacy and and have

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Speaker 1: you both on you too. You too have been making

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Speaker 1: a lot of headlines lately, lots and lots of headlines.

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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, fans of your show Went

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Speaker 1: Not to Wear that, you know, hosted together on TLC

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Speaker 1: for ten years, they might be surprised to see you

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Speaker 1: guys back together and on the zoom with me right

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Speaker 1: now after you know what was a pretty public feud

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Speaker 1: and falling out. But here we are, Here we are

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Speaker 1: showing the world that forgiveness is a beautiful thing and

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Speaker 1: it is possible and sometimes it is very very very

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Speaker 1: much worth it. But let's set the stage for a

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Speaker 1: minute for everybody listening. So back then, what was it

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Speaker 1: that kind of happened to create that few to begin with?

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Speaker 3: I think that there are different parts of this right

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Speaker 3: given a timeline or sort of been specifically clear. There

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Speaker 3: I think that I brought a lot of my own

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Speaker 3: Michigas to the show and to my friendship with Clinton,

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Speaker 3: and at one point realized that I was really causing

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Speaker 3: season five, right when I was like, it dawned on

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Speaker 3: I kept thinking, Oh, I don't want to see this person.

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Speaker 3: I in fact might be the problem, which was you know,

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Speaker 3: own behavior, responsible for my own behavior, accountable for my

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Speaker 3: to like, let's make most of this, like you know,

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Speaker 3: and for the rest of the ten years that we

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Speaker 3: work together, we really had a great working relationship. And

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Speaker 3: when you talk about forgiveness being possible, it's really important

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Speaker 3: forgiveness is necessary. It's not just possible, and that doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean the other person is going to forgive you, right.

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Speaker 3: I'm lucky in that Clinton and I were able to

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Speaker 3: even if I hadn't really been behaving like one.

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Speaker 4: But not everybody gets that opportunity at some.

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Speaker 3: Point, though, When you recognize your own behavior, when you

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Speaker 3: recognize your accountability, when you talk to people about that accountability,

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Speaker 3: then I think it is whether or not they forgive you,

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Speaker 3: You must forgive yourself.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise there's no way to.

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Speaker 1: Go on absolutely and Clinton. When this was all going

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Speaker 1: easy for you to kind of move past everything, continue

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Speaker 1: at some point you came out with the book, right,

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Speaker 1: and that created another little ruffle in your relationship.

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Speaker 5: It did when Stacy apologized, I accepted her apology, and

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Speaker 5: we had it a great five years after that working together.

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Speaker 2: We were friends at work.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that we were best friends for those

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Speaker 5: five years, but we really enjoyed each other's company. Stacy

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Speaker 5: and I will always make each other laugh, We will

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Speaker 5: always agree on so much like we have so much

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Speaker 5: can sometimes get into disagreements. You know, you don't want to,

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Speaker 5: you know, spend all of your time with somebody who's

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Speaker 5: We were fine, And you know, the book thing drives

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Speaker 5: years after What Not to Wear had ended, and I

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Speaker 5: didn't even want to include a chapter about What Not

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Speaker 5: was just a book of humorous essays about my life.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I included or What Not to Wear

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Speaker 5: And I said, is this being fair to Stacy? As

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Speaker 5: am not going to tell any tales out of school.

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Speaker 5: I did not mention in the book anything that Stacy

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Speaker 5: we had a complicated relationship. It was a love hate

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Speaker 2: When they were great, they were great. When they were bad,

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Speaker 5: And so I said something along the lines of we

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Speaker 5: up certain phrases from the book, taking them out of context.

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Speaker 5: Clinton Kelly said he hated Stacy London. That's not the truth, Okay,

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Speaker 5: I never you know, It's like I was saying that

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Speaker 5: writing a story about your relationship with your mother and

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Speaker 5: you said, like one time, when I was eight, I

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Speaker 2: And then it's like all of a sudden Tommy hated

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Speaker 5: The whole book thing was, what is that when I

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Speaker 5: know what, let me get ahead of it. They're taking

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Speaker 5: But there was a little voice in my head that was, like,

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Speaker 5: Stacy knows that I wouldn't talk shit about her in

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Speaker 2: She knows that.

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Speaker 5: But you know what, our story is not only just

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Speaker 5: want of forgiveness. It's one of realizing that you can't

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Speaker 5: read another person's mind. Okay, you have to like check

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know about those headlines in the beginning

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Speaker 3: had blocked Clinton on Twitter after that because I thought, well,

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Speaker 3: I've already sort of lived through that, and I thought

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Speaker 3: what Clinton said it occurred to me like his publisher

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was pissed.

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Speaker 4: He was really mad.

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Speaker 3: But what I didn't realize was like nobody knew right

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Speaker 3: and posted that I blocked him which again started another

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Speaker 4: And is this your fault? Is this Clinton's fault? Whose

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. I did not respond

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Speaker 5: At one point, it was the end of my fifth

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Speaker 2: I'm quitting when this is over. We had twenty six

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Speaker 5: is great, Like I can I can make this happen.

439
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,600
Speaker 5: When did you, Stacy feel like you had to leave?

440
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,879
Speaker 3: Well, definitely after season six that you know, or was

441
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 3: it season five?

442
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was my FI season technically.

443
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was my sixth season, right, So it was

444
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 3: the same time for similar reasons, I think. Again, you know,

445
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 3: everybody makes this about just Clinton and I sort of

446
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 3: not getting but there was an incredible amount of pressure.

447
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 3: There was a ton of shit stirring going on, and

448
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 3: you know that there was a ton and there was

449
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 3: also just a work environment that wasn't just set up

450
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 3: by us, that was set up by you know, the

451
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 3: people that we were working with behind the scenes that

452
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 3: made things more difficult than they had to be. You know,

453
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 3: things of us that required infinitely more time than was necessary.

454
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 3: And it just started to feel out of control, like

455
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 3: we were sort of spiraling out of control in terms

456
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,120
Speaker 3: of the work environment and in terms of what our

457
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 3: work day looked like, in terms of what the priorities

458
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 3: for that work day were going to be. So that

459
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,919
Speaker 3: was definitely one time where I wanted to quit. And

460
00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 3: then the very last season, I did not know that

461
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 3: I was sick. I knew that something was wrong with me,

462
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 3: but I had no idea what it was. And Amy

463
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 3: Winter was the head of TLC at the time, and

464
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 3: I went to her and I was like, I can

465
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 3: do no more than thirteen episodes.

466
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:51,959
Speaker 4: That's it.

467
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 3: That's like all I can do for you. I don't

468
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 3: know what's wrong with me, but I have got to

469
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 3: figure this out.

470
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 4: And it was weird. It was like terrible fatigue or.

471
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 3: I would you know, one day I would fit into

472
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 3: my shoes and the next day I would be so

473
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: swollen I couldn't fit into them. I just I had

474
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 3: no idea. I felt insane. I was like, I don't

475
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 3: know what's happening to me. And Amy was like, nope,

476
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 3: we need you to do twenty six. And I was like,

477
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 3: I am quitting. She was like nope, we need you

478
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 3: to do twenty six.

479
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 4: There was like no there.

480
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 3: Literally I was sort of, you know, kind of left

481
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 3: without options.

482
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 4: But it didn't turn.

483
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 3: Out until maybe two or three years later that I

484
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 3: found out I had soriatic arthritis, which is an autoimmune disease,

485
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 3: which caused all of these symptoms. And so you know,

486
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 3: even if I had known that, I would have had

487
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 3: the opportunity to manage it a little bit better.

488
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 4: I would have understood what was going on with me.

489
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 3: But it was like, if you look at me during

490
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 3: season nine of the show as opposed to season ten,

491
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 3: I looked like a different person. I gained a ton

492
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 3: of weight, I looked bloated all the time.

493
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 4: I just did not.

494
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 3: Know what was happening to me. So I felt like

495
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 3: very incapable of doing this show. Like physically, I found

496
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 3: it so demanding. Running in heels was always depending, but

497
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 3: it was really demanding that last season. And you know,

498
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: in some ways, I'm really grateful that it ended when

499
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 3: it did, because ten years and twelve seasons in one

500
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 3: something was going to have to change about the show.

501
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the great thing about a format

502
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 3: show is that people love a format until they don't

503
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: love it anymore, right until they're board of it.

504
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 4: So I think we sort of had this perfect run.

505
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 4: There are very few shows that are ever going to

506
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 4: run that long.

507
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: Again, we don't have that kind of attention span anymore,

508
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 3: not since social media.

509
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 4: But I felt like we were.

510
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 3: Going out on the highest note possible, Like there was

511
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 3: nothing that we hadn't done. There wasn't anything that we

512
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: hadn't explored. You know, I feel like I wish we

513
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 3: could have done more with vintage, but we did do

514
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 3: a whole show about vintage and sustainability.

515
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 4: There were things that I would have loved to.

516
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 3: Have done older women, and we never They wouldn't really

517
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 3: let us because they said that wasn't our target audience.

518
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: But for the most part, I feel like we gave

519
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: all of the foundational, basic building.

520
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: Blocks of how you create your own style. That was

521
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 4: pretty rewarding.

522
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, what you guys created is so iconic. It's cemented

523
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: now in pop culture history forever. It's a show that

524
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: means so much to so many people for so many

525
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: different reasons. And you know, you went through a lot,

526
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: the both of you, throughout the ten years on this show.

527
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: But there were a lot of highs, there were a

528
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: lot of lows, and here we are today, which is

529
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: the coolest part of it all. It's you were able

530
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: to come back so Clinton, you reached out over the pandemic, right,

531
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: So Were you responsible for this reunion? Would you say?

532
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say it was wholly responsible, but I did

533
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 5: make the first move.

534
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: We can say that. I had my people called Stacy's people,

535
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: and then there was a lot of back and forth.

536
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 5: And I got it.

537
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I think I emailed you and I said,

538
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 3: can we just talk to each other?

539
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

540
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 5: It was really it was getting a little ridiculous, but yeah,

541
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 5: we ended up talking. We had we had some great conversations.

542
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 5: And that was actually two and a half years ago.

543
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 5: Just for the record, I mean it was everybody thinks

544
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 5: that our appearance on Hoda and Jenna was the first

545
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 5: time we had seen each other since What to Where

546
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 5: it did, But we've been friends now for the past

547
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 5: two and a half years, and so I think we

548
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 5: decided at one point We're like, you know, we really

549
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 5: enjoy each other's company, we enjoy working together. We have

550
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 5: a chemistry that really can't be denied. That's really rare

551
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 5: in television for two people to have. And so we're like,

552
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 5: let's just take our show on the road, you know, like,

553
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 5: what are we going to do? Wait for like TLC

554
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 5: to come knocking on our door to for what not

555
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 5: to wear? Reboot, which we wouldn't do anyway. So we're like,

556
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 5: let's just take our friendship out on the road and

557
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 5: like do it on our own terms.

558
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: So what point did you get to that? Because you

559
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: meet back up, you sort through your issues, you form

560
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: your friendship again, you form that trust. Right, it takes

561
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: all of that again to form that relationship. I'm sure

562
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm speaking out of term, and I'm sure

563
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: there was caution on both ends to make sure this

564
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: was really going to work out, and then you decide

565
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: to go on tour, Like how did that all happen?

566
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: How do you go from not speaking to speaking to

567
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: going on tour?

568
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 4: Like?

569
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: Did you have to work your way out?

570
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that a little bit like that we

571
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: went from not speaking to speaking to being like, let's.

572
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 4: Go on tour. But you know, I mean part of

573
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 4: this also was that the.

574
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 3: Show was twenty years ago it started, and it's been

575
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: ten years since it ended, and it is undeniable that

576
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: that show still has an effect on people. Right, we

577
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: are still recognized for that show. That is what is

578
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 3: going to be on my tombstone, no matter what else

579
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 3: I do in my life, what not to where is

580
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: what I am known for. And I think that when

581
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: Clinton and I really started talking again, one of the

582
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: things that we realized is that our philosophies are so

583
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: Our life philosophies, not just style philosophies, are so aligned

584
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: that even after not speaking for a long period of time,

585
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: it was bizarre to see that we had kind of

586
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: evolved our thinking in the same way. And I remember thinking, well,

587
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: that's really interesting. Right, that says something about who we are.

588
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: And I think that also says something about what we

589
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: can say now as opposed to what we could say

590
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: on the show. Right, we were still limited by that format.

591
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 3: We were still limited by saying, hey, you have to

592
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: look like this, you have a pencil skirt and an

593
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: a line skirt.

594
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: Whatever it was.

595
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: It was all geometry and rules, and it wasn't about

596
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 3: you know, being a creative spirit or you know, sort

597
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: of watering the flower so that it blooms to be

598
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: the flower that it could be. And this kind of

599
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: individualized style attention was not something that we were truly

600
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: able to give on the show because we did have

601
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: to meet certain requirements. Right, we had to have the

602
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 3: most appealing look for the largest number of audience members,

603
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: So it's different now that we think about A lot's happened,

604
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: certainly since social media, and you don't really see as

605
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: many style experts because we don't talk about teaching people

606
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: how to wear what they should wear.

607
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 4: Right.

608
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 3: We've come a long way since that, and there are

609
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: a lot of movements that I think have really.

610
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 4: Contributed to that.

611
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: But it gave Clinton and I the idea to talk

612
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: about those things and to talk about how our philosophies

613
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 3: have changed and what we've been up to since that time.

614
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: That's also, you know, helped inform and change who we.

615
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 4: Are as people.

616
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: I love what's on your website when you described this tour.

617
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to read it. It's it says, despite some

618
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: rumors to the contrary and several bullshit clickfait articles, we

619
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: don't actually hate each other's guts. We just needed a

620
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: little alone time and now we want to share our

621
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: God given chemistry with you. So you're barking upon a

622
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: nationwide tour.

623
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: I really do believe that connection is God given. You know,

624
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: fighting or no fighting. You know what Clinton said before.

625
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: I think sometimes we do have very similar personalities, you know,

626
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: which is why Clinton describes our relationship as a brother

627
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: and a sister on a very long card trip, right,

628
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: you know, like sometimes you're like, let's play a game,

629
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: and other times.

630
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: I can hear you breathing.

631
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: Stop touching me, Stop touching me.

632
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: Stop touching me.

633
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 5: I challenge anybody to take even their most favorite person

634
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 5: in the whole world and chain yourself to them for

635
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 5: ten years, twelve hours a day every day, travel around

636
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 5: the country with them, and not be sick of them

637
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 5: after a while. Like it's just even your most favorite

638
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 5: person in the world, it's it's going to happen. And

639
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 5: so we had a natural up and down in our relationship.

640
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 5: That's you know, It's like people just love to focus

641
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 5: on the down, and there were much more ups than

642
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 5: there were downs.

643
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it really makes me left because when you say,

644
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: you know, I dare you to change yourself. Can you

645
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 3: imagine we've been like ore, Like we've been chained, you know,

646
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: like in shackles by our uncles.

647
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: I feel like we were even one man. We even

648
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: shared a dressing room. It's like we had to go

649
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: next to each other every day.

650
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: We've seen everything there is.

651
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: Everything, seen each other naked. But that was twenty years ago.

652
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: It looked a lot better.

653
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: But actually because because of Clinton's gardening hobby, he still

654
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: has rock hard glutes.

655
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: It's crazy nice.

656
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: Nice do you show off the glutes during your tour?

657
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: So can we expect I'm getting a taste of what

658
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: the tour is like.

659
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: But what else?

660
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 4: A little like this?

661
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Speaker 2: It's a little like that, Yeah, I know. I make

662
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: Stacy field them in front of the line.

663
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 5: All day.

664
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Speaker 2: It's literally squatting. You squat working things and then you

665
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: stand up. You squad to pull weed and then you

666
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: stand up.

667
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, people could say it's an

668
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 5: old lady's hobby, but I'll say my ass is.

669
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: Still like that of a thirty year old. We talk

670
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: about all.

671
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 5: The crazy things that happened to us during What Not

672
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 5: to Wear, and some crazy things happened to us, you know,

673
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 5: the stories that we have with the contributors who were

674
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 5: on the show, the things that they said, the things

675
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 5: that they did. We talk about our new style philosophies,

676
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 5: which we really didn't get a chance to talk about

677
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: on What Not to Wear because the world has changed

678
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 5: so much since the show was canceled, and we've evolved

679
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 5: so much. And then we do audience. We played games

680
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 5: and audience Q and A. We say you can ask

681
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 5: us absolutely anything. Doesn't mean that we will answer it,

682
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: but we will you can ask us any questions. We've

683
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 5: gotten into some fun, weird stuff, Like Phoenix was the

684
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: weirdest audience.

685
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: I think I ever had.

686
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 5: They were like, have you.

687
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: Guys ever slept with anybody on the show before?

688
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: And we were like, okay, what, yeah, I mean yeah,

689
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: we were like, there is there there is a line,

690
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean we've had some One of the

691
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: nicest things about it, right, is that I think everybody

692
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: always thought that the show It's Help qu Not to Where,

693
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: was meant to be entertaining, right, even though it was

694
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: a learning channel, Like everybody assumed that it would be entertaining,

695
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: we didn't realize how educational it was going to be

696
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: for people that people were actually watching us on Friday

697
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: night and going shopping on Saturdays, paying attention to our rules.

698
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: And I don't think that anybody counted on it being

699
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: as emotional as it became.

700
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 4: And that transformation really became so hopeful.

701
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: Right, And we never got to interact with our audiences

702
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: on that level to be able to do that.

703
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: Now, well, Clinton, you got to do that a little

704
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 4: bit with Macie's.

705
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: But you know, I think one of the nicest things

706
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: is to be able to interact with people who really

707
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: understood the show, who really understood what we were trying

708
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: to do on the show.

709
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: We really still have questions about style.

710
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: Also, just that they get to interact with us in

711
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: real life, not just this imaginary like you're in our

712
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 3: homes on Friday, Like we're there. You know, we can

713
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: give you a hug, we can like tell you how

714
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 3: much we like your blouse, like we can very yes,

715
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: we can curse exactly, so you know, to me, watching

716
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: audiences get so excited about it is really much more.

717
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so exciting for me and I'm clinton

718
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm speaking for you as well, because it's like we

719
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: it's like and think of an interactive version of What

720
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: Not to Wear without so many rules, right, That's that's

721
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: a pretty exciting thing to be able to do with fans.

722
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's also and maybe this is

723
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: just because I'm a sappy Italian, but it's emotional because

724
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: people are so invested in the two of you and

725
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: in the show, and they followed your journey for so

726
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: long and here you are putting on this amazing tour

727
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: back together reunited during a time when the world is

728
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: so crazy and you're just bringing joy and showing people

729
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: that there are miracles that can happen in life. And

730
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: I think all of it is such an important thing

731
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: that we need right now more than ever.

732
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: You know.

733
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were like, let's just spread a little joy,

734
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 5: Like let's just show the world that we are friends,

735
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 5: that we can laugh at our cells, laugh at each

736
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 5: other a little bit, you know.

737
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: And just have a good time with our audience. That

738
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: was that's everything.

739
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 5: There is no negativity in our show at all, like zero,

740
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: Like on what not to where weeds to have to

741
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 5: like lob critiques and make jokes, but there's none of that.

742
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 5: There's plenty of jokes now, but nothing is mean spirit

743
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 5: or could even be taken as mean spirited.

744
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: It's just a good time, you know.

745
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 5: That's like, the world is a really rough place to

746
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 5: be living in right now, so like when you can

747
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 5: laugh and celebrate friendship and forgiveness, why not do that.

748
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: That was sort of the first thing that Clinton and

749
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: I talked about, like there is so much negativity in

750
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: the world, Like sometimes it's just it's too much, and

751
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: you know, you can scroll doom, scroll on social or

752
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: you can turn on the news or whatever it is,

753
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: and you're bound to feel anxious or said or whatever.

754
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: What can we put into the world that doesn't cause

755
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 3: those feelings, that actually brings some you know, modicum of

756
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: joy where for an hour and a half, you don't

757
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: have to think about the tough things that are going

758
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: on in life and you can just have some fun.

759
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: And especially being able to celebrate for ship and forgiveness

760
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: at a time where it doesn't feel like anybody is

761
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: doing that really actually is incredible. I'm going to get emotional,

762
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: but it actually is really meaningful to me.

763
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I see that. I see that, I see

764
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: that on your face. I see how meaningful it is

765
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: to you. It's it's something that I think is honestly,

766
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: not to sound corny, but it's a blessing that you

767
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: two could come back together and do this and bring

768
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: joy in this tour and maybe maybe, just maybe there's

769
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: some other TV or streaming show in the works with

770
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: you too. I'm just saying, who.

771
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: Knows, who knows?

772
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 5: What I do know is I'm not going to sit

773
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 5: around waiting for a television executive to decide when it's

774
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 5: time for us to go back on TV or back

775
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 5: sharing ourselves with the world, we're just gonna you know,

776
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: It's like we took our own narratives back into our

777
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 5: own hands. That's what I feel like we're doing with

778
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: our career in a certain way.

779
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

780
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean, we were like, we can do this, we

781
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: can do this, so that I you know, I think

782
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: that's also it's not it wasn't even just controlling the

783
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: narrative like I was like, you know, we were like,

784
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: let's steer the ship.

785
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: And I appreciate the fact that very much.

786
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: The Clinton was like, you know, let's not wait because

787
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: I think, you know, even whether you're an actor or

788
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: it's reality or you know, you're you have some modicum

789
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: of fame or being known in a public way. I

790
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: think there is that sort of dependency on waiting for

791
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: somebody to choose you and not having to do that

792
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 3: and deciding to say, you know, we're going to choose

793
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: ourselves was also really empowering.

794
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I couldn't love that message more. You're

795
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: making your future what you want it to be, and

796
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: that is such an empowering thing. You guys, the name

797
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: of the show is I've never said this before, and

798
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: I feel like you both have been so gracious and

799
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: open today and talked about a lot of things that

800
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: probably you haven't talked about much before as well. But

801
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if there's anything else that you can think of,

802
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: whether it's silly or whether it's deep, that you haven't

803
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: said before.

804
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: I love those crocs on you.

805
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 5: I was thinking about this, I think that I have

806
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 5: never said I just recently was speaking to some college

807
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 5: students from BC, my alma mater, and you know, I

808
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: was talking to them about the future, and I realized

809
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 5: that what I never said was I've never said I'm

810
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 5: afraid of what comes next. I've always been excited about

811
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 5: what comes next. I like that about myself that, you know,

812
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 5: Like I I don't get me wrong, I am like

813
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 5: I have a hard time sitting in the present and

814
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 5: just being cool with what's happening in the present. I'm

815
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: always thinking about what's next, But like, I've never been

816
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: afraid of what's next, Like I'm really excited about doing

817
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 5: all the things, and so that's I'm just sort of

818
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: like patting myself on the back for that recently, Like yeah,

819
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, like I'm not afraid. I don't

820
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 5: live a fear based life. And I've decided that, like,

821
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 5: that's really one of those qualities that I have that

822
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 5: I've not appreciated in myself, and so I've just started

823
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 5: appreciating that.

824
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: Good for you.

825
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: I love That's that.

826
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that too. I don't have you know,

827
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: I was going to be like, what have I never said?

828
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I was thinking about what I've never thought right,

829
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: and what I it was a little bit what I

830
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: alluded to before is I can dress anybody except myself.

831
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: Sometimes I actually don't think I know what my taste is,

832
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: and that's something I have never really talked about. And

833
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: that does come from knowing yourself, right, Like knowing what

834
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: your taste is or how you want something to look

835
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 3: or how you want to be styled.

836
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 4: Really does come from knowing who you are, what your

837
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: likes and your dislikes are.

838
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: And I realized, like I was thinking about this in

839
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: terms of interior design, I have a house Upstate that

840
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: is like I wish there was like botched home addition

841
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: for a reality show for this to be on, because

842
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: it's like we started construction and basically the house fell apart,

843
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: and I keep thinking, well, I love French country, but

844
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: I also like Italian Modernists nineteen, you know, seventy to

845
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: seventy nine, And I'm like, how.

846
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: Does that work? How does that? Pick an aisle, pick

847
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 4: a lane, Stacey.

848
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: But it's like when you like so many things, sometimes

849
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: it's kind of hard to see the harmony. And so

850
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: I'm trying to train myself a little bit to like

851
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: understand my taste in a way that is cohesive. And

852
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: if you came to my apartment in Brooklyn, you'd be like, yeah,

853
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: has she decided like what her taste is or is

854
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: it just a mishmash? And that it's very interesting because

855
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: it's very easy to do that for other people, Right,

856
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 3: It's almost like giving advice, like when a friend comes

857
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: to you and says, like, what do I do about this?

858
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 3: It could be very easy to have an opinion, But

859
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: I guess when it's yourself, sometimes you're not looking at

860
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: it with the same objective lens. Right, It's very hard

861
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: to look at yourself as an objective lens. And I

862
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: did notice recently that, like, my.

863
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: Taste is scattered.

864
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: I like a lot of well, I'm a Gemini, so

865
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 3: I like a lot of things that don't necessarily go together,

866
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: and I've been really focusing on how to synthesize my

867
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: taste in a way that is more cohesiven understandable to me.

868
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: Well, I can say, from an outside perspective, it looks

869
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: like you have all the good tastes.

870
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: In the world.

871
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: So you both are killing it. I'm so excited for

872
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: you with this tour. I know you have a bunch

873
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: of November dates coming up. How can people get tickets

874
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: if they haven't yet?

875
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: Stacyanclinton dot com. There's no Ian Stacy.

876
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly, there's no Ian Stacy and there's no

877
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 3: Ian Clinton.

878
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: Right, beautiful, Well, guys, get your tickets. It's a hot show.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it. And I'm just so

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Speaker 1: excited you took the time to hang out today. And

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Speaker 1: I'm really really excited for this episode to air because

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are going to pull

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Speaker 1: so much from it, no matter what they're going through

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Speaker 1: in their own lives, professionally or personally, because we covered

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Speaker 1: a lot and it wasn't just about your falling out.

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Speaker 1: It was about so many other things today, and I

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Speaker 1: think that you both gave such important and interesting and

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Speaker 1: really deep introspective answers to a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: people are going through in their daily lives. And for that,

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Speaker 1: I truly thank you. I look forward to more from you,

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Speaker 1: who knows, maybe even a holiday show. I'm throwing it

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Speaker 1: out there.

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Speaker 4: Manifost Away.

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Speaker 3: I'm totally into this, and tell me, I just want

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Speaker 3: to say thank you for giving us the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Because you know, there are people who.

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Speaker 3: Have been like, ah, let's interview you and.

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Speaker 4: For a gotcha moment.

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Speaker 3: And I really appreciate the fact that, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: what we've been talking about today feels really hopeful and

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Speaker 3: really lovely.

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Speaker 5: So thank you, yes, and letting it breathe a little

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Speaker 5: bit rather than like squeezing it into a five minute

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Speaker 5: or a three minute segment where a lot of people

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Speaker 5: want to do, you know, so thanks for letting us

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Speaker 5: give you the full timeline and the full story. And

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Speaker 5: also I just want to say congratulations on your career.

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Speaker 5: It's a pleasure to watch your career taking off the

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Speaker 5: way it is.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, good good work on those apps.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have to write a book about your apps now.

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Speaker 1: I feel the pressure. I gotta go.

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Speaker 5: I gotta go.

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Speaker 1: Hang up and go to a thousand crunches because now

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Speaker 1: the pressure's on. You.

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Speaker 5: Have a sandwich, Have an ice cream, Tommy, John, have

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Speaker 5: the wine.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, I'll see what I

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Speaker 1: can do. Thank you, guys, Thank you so much. It's

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Speaker 1: been such a pleasure. Thank you. I've Never Said This

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Speaker 1: Before is hosted by Me Tommy Didario. This podcast is

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Speaker 1: executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by Me Tommy,

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Speaker 1: with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before

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Speaker 1: is part of the Elvis Duran podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and

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Speaker 1: if you liked this episode, tell your friends. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: I'm Tommy di Dario.