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Speaker 2: The the amount of con conference realignment is never ending,

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Speaker 2: I missed the Pac twelve. I'm not gonna lie, but

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well, man. Rick new Heisel told me at

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Speaker 5: They're going to break off. It'll be a super conference.

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Speaker 4: Dennis Miller told me that he's looking to expand that relationship.

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Speaker 5: Work them into the schedule.

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Speaker 5: It gives the ability of the ACC to.

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Speaker 2: So when you talk to all these guys and you're

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think everyone sees it, and you know,

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Speaker 5: They were built like those forty nine.

435
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Speaker 4: Ers teams you grew up watching that had, you know,

436
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 4: Randy Cross, you know, playing guard right. It was these

437
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 4: were very athletic offensive linemen. The guys they have now

438
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 4: make Dylan Gabriel look small and you know, and he's

439
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 4: not a real tall guy, but he's not like five

440
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 4: nine five ten, and that's how he looks back there.

441
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 4: And so I initially thought, gosh, how small is Dylan Gabriel?

442
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 4: And then I stood next to Gabriel and I was like,

443
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 4: that's not it. It's his offensive line is bigger than ever.

444
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Speaker 2: Well, when you look at Dan Lanning, I looked at

445
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: his five losses. One to Kirby Smart in the first

446
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 2: game of his career, which he was a heavy underdog. Yeah,

447
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 2: he's lost to Debor three times and two of them

448
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 2: could have gone either way, and de bores at Alabama,

449
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: so that one age pretty well. And two years ago

450
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Speaker 2: to Jonathan Smith, who I think would be the Washington coach. Right,

451
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Speaker 2: do you agree with that if everything hadn't happened Jonathan

452
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Speaker 2: Smith's stud So, I mean those I would say those

453
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Speaker 2: five losses are pretty good losses. The pressure on him clearly,

454
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Speaker 2: Bama sniffed around. He's making a ton of money. I mean,

455
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Speaker 2: I looked at the odds. They have the third best

456
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Speaker 2: odds to win the national championship behind Ohio State. They

457
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: have the second best odds to win the conference they have,

458
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Speaker 2: I mean, they have better odds than Michigan obviously going

459
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 2: through a little transition with Harball leaving and Penn State,

460
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: who's a consistent nine to ten winner. I mean, it's

461
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: pretty strong going to this conference is viewed as not

462
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 2: quite an equal to Ohio State, but pretty darn close.

463
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Speaker 2: So the pressure on this coach seems pretty high.

464
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's set up that way. Isn't it.

465
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Speaker 4: And and it's funny that you mentioned the coaches, and

466
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 4: those are good losses, right, but we kind of look

467
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Speaker 4: at them differently because he got out coached in that

468
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,199
Speaker 4: game at Washington, that first game where he went for

469
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 4: it and went for it and went for it and

470
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 4: didn't get anything. And you know what, I saw him

471
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 4: in the hallway after that game. He looked sick. I mean,

472
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 4: he just he looked like he knew. But I also

473
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 4: think that's kind of his brand and it's kind of

474
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Speaker 4: what makes him a good recruiter. The kids love that

475
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 4: he's a little bit of a gunslinger and a little

476
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 4: bit you know, out He's a fun guy to be around,

477
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 4: and he'll go for it and he believes in his guys.

478
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 4: But you know, I talked to him this offseason and

479
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 4: he said, you know, he's really he knows now. He knows,

480
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 4: like the decisions he makes have huge impact on what

481
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Speaker 4: happens to Oregon and football. And you're not at a

482
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 4: blackjack table like deciding to double down here. You gotta

483
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 4: be within reason, take the points when it's there. And

484
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Speaker 4: then the Oregon State game, Jonathan Smith just out foxed him.

485
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Speaker 4: I mean, Oregon State at halftime, was down two scores

486
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Speaker 4: in that game. Third quarter, they're down two scores in

487
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 4: that game, and Oregon State figured something out and they

488
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 4: ran the ball like seventeen straight times and Oregon couldn't

489
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Speaker 4: stop him.

490
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Speaker 5: And it was just it was Oregon.

491
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Speaker 4: State's run game and Jonathan Smith knowing, Hey, when I've

492
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Speaker 4: got something, I just go back to it. And so

493
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Speaker 4: it's I think Dan Lannings had, you know, he's if

494
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Speaker 4: he were a first year head coach with this kind

495
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Speaker 4: of expectation in this roster, I would think differently. But

496
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 4: I'm seeing a guy who's more locked in, seems to

497
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 4: have the program buttoned up in ways that he didn't

498
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 4: before his off season I think was very busy. He

499
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: knows that there's a little bit of a team chemistry,

500
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Speaker 4: team culture question. When you have as many as maybe

501
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: thirteen transfers starting among your twenty two, you've got to

502
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 4: really work hard and fast to get them kind of

503
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 4: all on the same page and make them real teammates.

504
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Speaker 4: And so, you know, the offense went off to the

505
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Speaker 4: Oregon Coast and the defense went off on a retreat,

506
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Speaker 4: and Dylan Gabriel took the receivers down to Southern Oregon

507
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 4: kind of did a retreat. They're trying to do some

508
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Speaker 4: things to really kind of get some cohesion. And I

509
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 4: don't think they're alone. I think that's a question with

510
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: the Portal in general, if you're taking that many transfers. Hell,

511
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 4: I've seen it with the Trailblazers back in the day.

512
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 4: Like you can't just assemble like all the best players,

513
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 4: regardless of character, regardless of personality. You gotta have some cohesion.

514
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 4: So I think Oregon's trying to find that pretty rapidly.

515
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: And here comes October twelfth in Ohio State.

516
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Speaker 2: Well, he hit a Grand Slam taking bow Knicks, which

517
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: at the time was not viewed as some can't miss

518
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: transfer portal guy. And I'm sure you've seen him play

519
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: for Denver. He looks pretty darn good now. Dylan Gabriel,

520
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: who I knew he played well last year, but looking

521
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: at the stats, Oklahoma was good and he was really good.

522
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: So he was available, not because he can't play. Partly,

523
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: they have this super hype guy Jack Arnold at Oklahoma.

524
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: He comes here. He's been playing a lot like bo

525
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: Nicks for a long time. I mean it's college career

526
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: started in twenty eighteen. So the hype on Dylan Gabriel

527
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: trying to fill in bo Nix's shadow, it's kind of

528
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: a tough spot. Though this guy, older player, had a lot,

529
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: played a ton of games, had a lot of success.

530
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: Coming from Oklahoma has to make it a much easier

531
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: transition for him.

532
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he you know, he got here early, even

533
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 4: though he's only got eight months to make this happen.

534
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 4: I mean, bo Nickx took two years, and Knicks was

535
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 4: a better player that second season than he was the

536
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: first one.

537
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Speaker 5: And I think that's that's a real interesting distinction.

538
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: Is Gillan Gables got to do it, and he's got

539
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: one year of eligibility. So but you know, Nicks set

540
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 4: the all time NCAA record for starts by a college quarterback,

541
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 4: you know, And I wrote when he was leaving, Hey,

542
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: nobody will ever do this again. And Dan Lanning told

543
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: me on media day he goes bad take because here

544
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 4: comes Dylan Gabriel, who's going to break that record if

545
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 4: he stays healthy.

546
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 5: So it's no secret what they're doing.

547
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 4: They're finding an experienced, older quarterback who's got a ton

548
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: of snaps, and they're putting him in an offense where

549
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 4: he's got great receivers, great backs, great offensive line. Will

550
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 4: Stein's a real creative offensive coordinator. And I think it

551
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: was interesting to watch Knicks in Denver in that last

552
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 4: preseason game because you know, by the way, you know,

553
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 4: out of the gates after the draft, he was sixteen

554
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 4: to one to be the rookie offensive Rookie of the year.

555
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams was two to one. Probably a pretty good

556
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 4: best at BO Nicks at sixteen to one. But it

557
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: was interesting to me because it didn't look like Nix

558
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: was unprepared for anything. And it was the same at Oregon.

559
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 4: You know, he went from two offensive coordinators. Kenny Dillingham,

560
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 4: who's now at Arizona State was his first coordinator, then

561
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: will Stein. Both of those guys had him just distributing, distributing, distributing.

562
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 4: I expect the same for Gabriel, And it's probably unfair

563
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: because you know, to put Bo Nix's numbers and project them,

564
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 4: you know, you talk about Gabriel would be in the

565
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 4: Heisman conversation.

566
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 5: He might be a finalist, he might win it.

567
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 4: But you know, I think that's kind of the stakes

568
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: right now, and a lot of pressure on landing a

569
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 4: lot of pressure on Dylan Gabriel to perform.

570
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: Can we go on bo Nicks really quick? Because I

571
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: was scouting actually when Mariota was playing, and clearly he's

572
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: from a character standpoint, I mean, like a twelve out

573
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: of ten just physically doesn't quite have the talent. But

574
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: he was the number two overall pick. Herbert, who physically

575
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: is much more gifted but was nitpicked in weird ways,

576
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: went six bo Nix was. I mean, it was a

577
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: historic quarterback draft, six guys in the top twelve, and

578
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 2: he was last. And it like, I'm not trying to

579
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 2: overreact to two preseason games, but looks like he's a

580
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: pretty good spot and gonna work. Do you see similarities

581
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: in those three guys? Obviously super high character guys, hard workers,

582
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: love football, people love him, But you know, bo Nick's

583
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 2: a little like Herbert, little underlooked and just nitpicked in

584
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: ways like are we sure that we're not overthinking this one? Yeah?

585
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 4: And I remember when the questions about Herbert were there

586
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: about you know he is he's too soft spoken and

587
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 4: like gosh, he's yeah, too nice of a guy. But

588
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: the thing that I loved about Herbert was, you know,

589
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: he played for Mark Helfritch, he played for Willie Taggert,

590
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 4: he played for Mario Christobal. It was like all of

591
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: this transition. He's gone to the NFL, and what's happened

592
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: Transition transition, transition, and.

593
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 5: With his head coaches.

594
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: That's why I'm looking at Jim Harbaugh and Herbert together

595
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: and I'm like, this is the first time justin Herbert

596
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: has had a guy who he knows is going to

597
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 4: be there. It's gonna be kind of cool to see

598
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 4: what he can do. But I think the common thread was,

599
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: you know, you look at the maturity of Herbert. He

600
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: was at Oregon for all those years and played for

601
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: all those coaches and dealt with it. You look at Nicks,

602
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 4: he goes from Auburn to you know where he was

603
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 4: boot out of town. He goes to Oregon, plays for

604
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: multiple coordinators, very mature. Mariota had a real maturity about

605
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: him right when he arrived, even as a freshman. You know,

606
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: he was out handing out granola bars to homeless people

607
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 4: and doing things like, you know, really just had a

608
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: great heart, you know, And so I.

609
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 5: Think there's a maturity to those guys.

610
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: And then when you combine that and you know this like, look,

611
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: I covered the NFL before coming to the state of Oregon.

612
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 4: I was around the Niners and Raiders a lot. And

613
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: Rich Gannon was the quarterback in Oakland when I was there,

614
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: and Jeff Garcia was in San Francisco.

615
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: Neither one of those guys were high draft picks.

616
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: They had lived a little, they had flown under the radar,

617
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: and they were the highest rated passers.

618
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 5: That season for the AFC in the NFC. And I

619
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 5: asked Bill Walsh, I said, what is this about?

620
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 4: And he goes, so much of being success well as

621
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 4: a quarterback is being mature and the system you're in

622
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: and the opportunity and the coaching staff coming together. So

623
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: when I saw Sean Payton draft bow Knicks, I immediately

624
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 4: went to DraftKings and looked at the odds and went, Okay,

625
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: what are the odds here on bow.

626
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: Knicks as the rookie of the year. And I was

627
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 5: like sixteen to one. Not a dumb bet.

628
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 4: Like you know, Caleb Williams has got a lot of

629
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: weapons around him, but I don't You don't know what's

630
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: gonna happen. But I just think it was Sean Payton

631
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: bow Knicks together. And then when even when the in

632
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 4: the preseason, when he was put on the third team

633
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: depth chart, I thought, what a smart thing for Sean

634
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 4: Payton to do. There's there's no downside and putting your

635
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: rookie and saying I'm taking all the pressure off him

636
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 4: until I need to put the pressure on him. And

637
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 4: so even at this point, you know you got bow Nix,

638
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: who will turn twenty five this NFL season. It's not

639
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 4: like having a very young, inexperienced quarterback.

640
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 5: I'll look at comparison.

641
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: I like to make his brock Purty, who started like

642
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: forty eight games at Iowas. By the time brock Perty

643
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: got into the forty nine ers offense, it wasn't his

644
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: first thing, like he had been a starter for like

645
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: four years. Bow Knicks has that experience between Auburn and Oregon.

646
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: I think there's something too. I've started, I've played, I've

647
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: seen some stuff.

648
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I think we learned with bo Nicks

649
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: and Penix when they showed up two years ago to

650
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: Washington Oregon. Not a soul if I would have said

651
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: one guy's gonna go eight and the other guy's gonna

652
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: go twelve, and they're both gonna be pretty damn good,

653
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: no one would have believed you. So when you look

654
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: at Dylan Gabriel, who's on this loaded team, will Stein

655
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: to me is a name I have circled that if

656
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: they have a big year, he's gonna be interviewing everywhere.

657
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: A young offensive genius. I mean, could we be looking

658
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: at a first round pick? I mean a Heisman Trophy winner.

659
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: You talk about odds, I mean, this guy's gonna put

660
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: up stupid numbers, is he not? If he stays on

661
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: the field.

662
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, I got I spend a little

663
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 5: bit of time with Dylan.

664
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: You know in Indianapolis during the Big Ten media day.

665
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 5: He's very He's just chill.

666
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 4: I mean, and he's from Hawaii and he kind of

667
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: has that island vibe to him, and.

668
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 5: I just I left that going.

669
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: It's far more impressed with him because you watch him

670
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: play and you kind of go, okay, but who is

671
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 4: he really? And Kenny Handle to transition, Kenny Handle kind

672
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: of the glow that Oregon's gonna have this season, and

673
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: particularly look, you know, as much as you want to

674
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: circle October twelfth, it's like the way that Oregon season

675
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: schedule unfolds, they play a big Sky opponent in week one.

676
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: Then they get Boise State, who could be the Group

677
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: of five champion who goes to the playoff. Like that's

678
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: gonna be a really interesting test that comes in week

679
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: two for Oregon, and I like that that game's position there,

680
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 4: and then you know, it becomes the Oregon State game

681
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: the Civil War.

682
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 5: They should they should blow Oregon State off the field.

683
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: They have far more talent, even though the game's at

684
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: Oregon State. Then you get UCLA as a conference opener.

685
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: That's a very manageable first Big Ten Conference game, weird

686
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: Big Ten game at the Rose Bowl. Then it's Michigan

687
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: State and Jonathan Smith back at home. It's like Dan

688
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: Lanny's getting to avenge some of the ghosts of his past.

689
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 4: And then you get the October twelfth game with Ohio State,

690
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: and I kind of think there's gonna be such a

691
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: frenzy around that game. Rick Neuheisel told me he thinks

692
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: Oregon's gonna win that game because just because the electricity

693
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: and the enthusiasm around it, and they're at home and

694
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 4: they're talented. But that'll be the biggest game in Oregon's history.

695
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 4: Like you look back to the late eighteen hundreds. They

696
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: haven't played a game that is going to be that

697
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: exciting in that big they had.

698
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: Were they both top five? Maybe it was David Shaw's

699
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: first or second year in Oregon. I think David Shaw

700
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: beat him. They're both pretty highly ranked. But if both

701
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: these two teams are undefeated come into that game, I

702
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: guess if George is undefeated, two, it'd be one or

703
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: two verse three, which now with the playoff has a

704
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: little different meaning, it's not like this could chock you out.

705
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's really exciting. On the quarterback thing,

706
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: Is it safe to say that Oregon moving forward is

707
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: just going to play in this free agency thing every

708
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: year and try to get one of these plug and

709
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: play players or is that something you talked to Dan Lanning?

710
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: Would they like to just have like their red Schert freshman,

711
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: be a three year starter Eventually?

712
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 4: I think eventually they would. He doesn't want to close

713
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: the door on that. He was real careful when I

714
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: talked to him about that the last time, because I

715
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: look at his quarterback room and I can tell you, like,

716
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 4: it's not just Dylan Gabriel.

717
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 5: You've got Dante More.

718
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: Who was highly recruited out of high school, went to

719
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: UCLA and you got Austin nova Sad, And they continue

720
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 4: to kind of chase high school quarter the best high

721
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: school quarterbacks that they can sign. But I think there

722
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: is a little bit of a pushback from the high

723
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 4: school guys who were looking at Oregon and going, hey,

724
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: wait a minute, do I want to go there? Or

725
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: can I get there by going to somewhere else first?

726
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: I want to play right away, and so it'll be

727
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: interesting to see. Like, you know, I asked Dan Lanning

728
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: about the room and I said, okay, how do you

729
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 4: keep those guys happy? And he said, you have to

730
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: really sell the idea that they see the long play.

731
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: The Austin Novasad in the spring game was the best

732
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 4: passer of the three quarterbacks. Mike Riley, the former Oregon

733
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 4: State coach you know, snuck over to the Oregon spring game.

734
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 4: He watched it. I said, what'd you think of the qbs?

735
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 4: He said, I kind of think Novasad's the best pure thrower.

736
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 4: And so, I, you know, I could see spots.

737
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: Well see a high school recruit, yeh, Like did they

738
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: get him out of high school?

739
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

740
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: And so they you know, they've got him in there,

741
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: But I could see spots like if they're trying to

742
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: keep Dante Moore or Austin novasad kind of feeling like

743
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: they're part of it. I could see like they're going

744
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 4: to get some playing time in the early part of

745
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: the season, particularly because look at this, I mean, there's

746
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: the potential that you're going to play sixteen or seventeen

747
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: games if you get to the National Championship, and.

748
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 5: You need to have depth, and you don't want to

749
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 5: have Dylan.

750
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 4: Gabriel out there, you know, in a game you're leading

751
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 4: against you know, your Big Sky opponent or Boise State

752
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 4: or Oregon State for the whole game. And so I

753
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 4: think it'll be really interesting to see how they manage

754
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 4: that room in the early part of the season and

755
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 4: then games that kind of get away. Do they leave

756
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: Gabriel in there to kind of pile up numbers the

757
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 4: way LSU did with you know, Jayden Daniels, or you know,

758
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 4: do they kind of pull the reins back a little?

759
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 4: And I know, I think bo Nix came out at

760
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: halftime last year of their game against Portland State, and

761
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 4: I kind of expect that's what they'll continue to do.

762
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: You've been around these programs for a long time. Obviously,

763
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: the change of when you lost out on a huge

764
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: recruit to USC or to Texas or to whatever he

765
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: was gone. I mean, I don't fall high school recruiting

766
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: that closely, but I remember Dante Moore. I mean that

767
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: was a big deal. They wanted him. Goes to u

768
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: c l A, Plays up and down, Chipley's boom. He's

769
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: right to Oregon. So you could argue, now, when you

770
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: lose out on a big recruit, you keep that relationship

771
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: because that thing can change, and it can change fast.

772
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the kids are aware of it, and you

773
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: can kind of see the way that you know when

774
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 4: they when they choose a school. Now it's almost like

775
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 4: you know, you don't you don't close that door ever,

776
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: you don't blow the bridge up behind you. Degan rose Is,

777
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: you know, a highly recruited quarterback, came out of Central California.

778
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 4: He's playing at Clovis High School this season. He had

779
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 4: offers from Auburn, Oregon, Utah.

780
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 5: You know, all these schools wanted him. He's committed to

781
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 5: Oregon State.

782
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: He wants to play and he knows he can go

783
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 4: to Oregon State and he can play right away.

784
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 5: Now, Oregon State's.

785
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 4: Job is to try to retain that kid, and everybody

786
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 4: else's job is to see what he turns into in

787
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: a year or two and see if they can try

788
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 4: to get him in the portal.

789
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 5: And that's the game, the name of the game.

790
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: And Jonathan Smith, who's at Michigan State, now he's got

791
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 4: Aiden Childs. I asked him, I said, kind of to

792
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 4: your earlier point, is this just gonna be how it is?

793
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: And he said yes.

794
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 4: He said, you're going to see the major programs that

795
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 4: are going to kind of look around and try to

796
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: cherry pick lower college football, the mid majors, the group

797
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 4: of five schools. You know, you're gonna see a lot

798
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: of activity in the portal, and then you're going to

799
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 4: see other schools that are going to go out, like

800
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 4: you know, Washington State did something interesting, you know, twenty

801
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 4: three of the twenty five signees and we're high school seniors.

802
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 5: It was strange because everybody else is going in the portal.

803
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: And Jake Dickard said, hey, I can get him now,

804
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 4: and I can get him and I can try to

805
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: sell them on the idea that this is where they

806
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 4: need to be, you know, and if I recruit out

807
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 4: of the portal.

808
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 5: I'm never gonna see those kids. I'm never going to

809
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 5: get him.

810
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: At least I get a year or two with them

811
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: to try to convince them this is the right place.

812
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: And he got a kid from your old neighborhood out

813
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 4: of the Sacramento area.

814
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 5: Way.

815
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 4: Shawn Parker is a fresh true freshman running back who

816
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: is going to be a star. And he was electric

817
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: in the spring game. He may start for Washington State,

818
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: but now the job is can you keep that kid?

819
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? See to me what gets tough? And I was

820
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 2: a ga at Fresno State. I mean, how do these

821
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: programs that guy? What Cal did with their running back?

822
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: They got pretty lucky, right, He's they obviously paid him,

823
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: but he was pretty loyal to them. I would imagine

824
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: everyone was calling him. And so this running back that

825
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: goes to Washington State, let's say he has a huge year, Well,

826
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: who do you thinks on the phone with him? Washington, Oregon,

827
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: Hell Texas? Who knows the old country is fault. It's

828
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: like you have these scouting departments. I don't know if

829
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: you saw the story Debores guy that he took his

830
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: GM is making eight hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.

831
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: So because he and he probably has fifteen twenty people

832
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: working for him, So it becomes very, very challenging, which

833
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: is I'm a huge Jonathan Smith guy. I mean, I

834
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: just think he's I was a Pat Hill guy. He

835
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: reminds me of that old school slammed the ball. He's

836
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: a throwback for being a younger guy. Clearly, he freaked out,

837
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: which I don't blame him. The move and he goes

838
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: to Michigan State, who paid him a lot of money,

839
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: but he coached at Washington under Peterson. He's a Pasadena guy,

840
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: UCLA Washington's do you think he said, oh my god,

841
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: I mean it was hard to turn down whatever he

842
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: got eighty million dollars. But do you think he regrets that.

843
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 5: One hundred percent?

844
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 4: He's not gonna say it, but you know, I talked

845
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: to him at Big ten media day, and I've I

846
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 4: talked to him after, you know, before and after he left.

847
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 4: And it was interesting, two or three days before he

848
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 4: had that he was going to Michigan State, I asked him,

849
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 4: are you in contact with other schools?

850
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 5: As your agent? In contact with other schools?

851
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 4: He was on my radio show and he did something

852
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 4: that no coach would have ever done. He said, my

853
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: agent better be on the phone talking to other schools.

854
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: That's what I'm paying him for. And he said, I'm

855
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: not trying to be like you know, tried about this.

856
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: He goes, but that's the guy's job to get out

857
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: and see what opportunities.

858
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: There are for me.

859
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: But I think he got scared and he took that

860
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 4: kind of any port in a storm mentality, and he

861
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: chose the Michigan State job because it was safe and secure.

862
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: I think if he doesn't go to Michigan State, probably

863
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 4: Michigan State goes after Jake Dickard at Washington State.

864
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 5: So you know, I think, you.

865
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: Know, those two schools were left in a lurch, so

866
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 4: to speak. But if Smith waits, he either gets Washington

867
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 4: or UCLA. And he was a Pasadena kid who you know,

868
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: grew up going to USC games. Those two jobs were

869
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 4: better jobs than the job he took because he's in

870
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: the Big ten. Much like at Oregon State, it's not

871
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 4: going to be Ohio State or Michigan. It's got Oregon

872
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: and USC and Washington to deal with. Now, you know,

873
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: what's a good season at Michigan State anymore like his

874
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: best season is it, you know, being third or fourth

875
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: in that conference.

876
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 5: So I do think he probably regrets it. He'll never

877
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 5: say it.

878
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: Do you think it's safe to say that Washington's just

879
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: a better job in this current landscape than Ucla?

880
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 5: Yes, a better football job for sure.

881
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, even look back when was you know,

882
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: UCLA's last success and like you look, I worked at

883
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 4: the Fresno b many moons ago, Okay, so I was

884
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: covering those Pat Hill teams. Those Fresno State kids wanted

885
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 4: to play Ucla. They had a chip on their shoulder

886
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 4: because they said, you didn't recruit me.

887
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 5: I was good enough. You didn't even drive to my

888
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 5: house to see me.

889
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 4: And you know they play him in a Freedom Bowl

890
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: or you know, or a conference game, that Reggie Bush

891
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 4: game where Presno State throw haymakers and so you know

892
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: there was a chip on your shoulder mentality there. But

893
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: look look at UCLA football historically, when have they ever

894
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 4: really in the last twenty years had success. They're a

895
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 4: basketball school going into the Big Ten Conference. They're gonna

896
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: get their teeth kicked in. That could be a three

897
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 4: or four win season for Deshaun Foster. But two I'm

898
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: looking at Washington and I'm going look even in a rebuild,

899
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: even with the Boar leaving, you know, they're gonna have

900
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: a nice start to their season. I think in about

901
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: week five or six it'll turn on them because their

902
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 4: schedule gets tough. But you know, I'm not gonna be

903
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 4: surprised if Washington wins seven in a transition year and

904
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: UCLA also in a transition year.

905
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 5: I think is looking at three or four.

906
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: I think they needed a guy like Jonathan Smith to

907
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 4: kind of who knows how to kind of overcome. And

908
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 4: you know, Oregon State hadn't had real success except for

909
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: Dennis Erickson one season and Mike Riley had a little

910
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 4: run where there was an uptick.

911
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 5: Jonathan Smith kind of.

912
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: Brought some stability there and was doing things that nobody

913
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 4: really before him had consistently done.

914
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is when I was at frisone State,

915
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: we played Rick new Heisel's UCLA team, and Pat Hill

916
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: on the Sunday of that week hit the way he

917
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: opened the meeting, He said, raise your hand if you

918
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: had a skull off from this school. Ryan Matthews was

919
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: the only guy that raises and then we beat him.

920
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 2: And you know, I think Washington State, Oregon State, Fresno State,

921
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: Boise State always had that mentality and it served them

922
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 2: for a lot of success, and they've had a chip

923
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: on their shoulder Washington. You know, I'm from Davis, so

924
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: that that Ballatti, Chris Peterson, that group, my dad always

925
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: took a lot of pride in he was a UC

926
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: Davis guy. I was texting with a scouting buddy who

927
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,959
Speaker 2: was at Washington within the last week and a half,

928
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 2: and he said, Steve Belichick the practice I was at,

929
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: Bill was right by the side the entire practice, and

930
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: Brendan Carroll Pete was right by the side the entire practice.

931
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: So major transition year. I think I read was it

932
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 2: three or four guys from the too Deep returning? But

933
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: they do have some star power in name, even if

934
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: it's the kids. The dads aren't working. And if you

935
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: ask me, do you think Bill Belichick is advancing every

936
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 2: opponent for them, I would say I would bet he does.

937
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: So they do have an advantage of those two guys

938
00:43:59,440 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: being around.

939
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they've got some master chess players in

940
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: the room and you can talk all you want about

941
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: hey who has extra assistance and who has extra analysts.

942
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 4: But if you give me Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick

943
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 4: in the room, you're gonna figure some stuff out and

944
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 4: you're gonna you're gonna do some things that others aren't

945
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 4: thinking about. And it's just what Jedfish needs, right, I mean,

946
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 4: he's an offensive guy, he's an offensive mind. Their offense

947
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 4: at Arizona was dynamic because of Jedfish.

948
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 5: I just love that he's kind of.

949
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 4: Leaning into his weakness and then he's selling, like with

950
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: no shame, the idea that we've got NFL experience, you know,

951
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: come here and you can be part of an NFL program.

952
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: And by the way, these guys are at practice, and

953
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 5: so I.

954
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: Don't blame him for doing that. And I think they're

955
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 4: gonna have a real nice.

956
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: Start to their year. Week three is dicey.

957
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: They have to play that Apple Cup game against a

958
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: very ticked off chip on your shoulder Washington State team

959
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: that's got a lot of returners, So that one's gonna

960
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 4: be a little dicey. But beyond that, I could see

961
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 4: them being like five and one to start the year

962
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: and having, you know, maybe be ranked at bottom of

963
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 4: the top twenty five.

964
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: But you look at their back into their schedule.

965
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 4: It's brutal and it finishes with Oregon, but the back

966
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 4: end of their schedule has them at Penn State. There's

967
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 4: Oregon in there. I think it's going to unravel for

968
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 4: them down the stretch. But I think Jed will be

969
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 4: able to sit, you know, stand tall and go, hey,

970
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 4: we won seven or we won eight, and we feel

971
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: good about year one, and that's a that's not a

972
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 4: bad place to be after your first year.

973
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: Do you think as this obviously the Civil War now

974
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: is going to be moved up. It was clearly a

975
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: huge rivalry if you went to Oregon or you went

976
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: to Washington played there, you live in that area. Do

977
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: you think nationally this rivalry is going to get put

978
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: on steroids over the next decade, given that it's going

979
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: to be at the end of the year now and

980
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: has a chance to really really grow and be something

981
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: cool on a bigger picture scale. Yeah.

982
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: And I think you know, the Oregon fans would would

983
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: always say, you know, they that Oregon State's their rival

984
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 4: in state, but it was the Washington game that had

985
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: a little extra for them because for a while their

986
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 4: Oregon State wasn't competitive. And I think this year's game

987
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 4: with Oregon State's not going to competitive. Everyone's pointing to

988
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 4: end of the year and Fox is gonna blow.

989
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 5: That thing up.

990
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 4: I mean that is going to be Yeah, it's they're

991
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 4: gonna They're gonna do everything that the Pac twelve should

992
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 4: have done to make that game bigger than ever.

993
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 5: And they they'll understand them mart they're invested in it.

994
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: They'll understand how to market and how to brand that

995
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: game and how to make it feel and look bigger

996
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 4: than than ever.

997
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: But I know, you know, Oregon fans.

998
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: Are I think interested and excited to try to finally

999
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 4: win that game. I mean, Landing has not won that game,

1000
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 4: and I think Washington's going, hey, if we can go

1001
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 4: and go to uh Ottson Stadium and win that game, well,

1002
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: Dan Lanning ever beat us? Like you know, I think

1003
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: there's just a lot of intrigue at the end of

1004
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 4: the season. And by the way, with the expanded playoff,

1005
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 4: that could be a pretty pivotal game from seating standpoint,

1006
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 4: or you know, does Oregon already have a loss? You know,

1007
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 4: I think the expanded playoff because it's lowered the bar

1008
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 4: for how you know, how many losses you can have.

1009
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: It is gonna create all this interesting kind of of

1010
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 4: down the stretch appeal with jocking for position, jocking for seeding.

1011
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 4: Who are in those top four seeds that don't have

1012
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: to play that first playoff game on a campus or

1013
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 4: do you want to play that first playoff game.

1014
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 5: On your campus because you know it's bigger. I just

1015
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 5: think it's going to be really funky.

1016
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: Let's end on this. When the news was announced they

1017
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: gave one hundred and twenty million dollars and they stole

1018
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley away, it was like, geez, USC is back,

1019
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: and then you watch him last year, You're like, can

1020
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 2: Lincoln build a defense? Can he build a tough team?

1021
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: He inherited a pretty good thing from Bob Stoops in Oklahoma.

1022
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm not sure they're going to be very good relative

1023
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: to the expectation. Just your thoughts being around these programs.

1024
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: Obviously Oregan's rolling now the way that they're discussed when

1025
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: it comes to the USC because it feels, I don't

1026
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: want to say irrelevant, but nowhere near where they thought

1027
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: they would be three years into Lincoln Riley getting one

1028
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty million dollars and getting them back to

1029
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: I would say national prominence, that that was the mindset

1030
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: and giving the guy all that money, right.

1031
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, when his ad introduced him, he said, we're going

1032
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 4: to change the landscape of college football with this hire.

1033
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 4: And you know, the song girls were there and the

1034
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 4: band was there, and Mario Christbaul told me at the

1035
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 4: time and he said, not so fast, he goes. You know,

1036
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 4: he he hasn't be us. He hasn't been able to

1037
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 4: recruit the big guys. Remember, Oregon was recruiting the biggest,

1038
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 4: baddest players out of the LA market. Oregon was going

1039
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 4: to the coliseum and beating USC with you know, southern

1040
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 4: California kids, and so it was, you know, can Lincoln

1041
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 4: Riley get those guys? And then oh, by the way,

1042
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams comes in. Dynamic player, probably the MVP of

1043
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 4: college football in the last two seasons. Really, if you

1044
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 4: look at everything he did, like, you know, how much

1045
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 4: how many deficiencies at USC did he cover up by

1046
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: just running around and you know, playing techmobile back there.

1047
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 5: I mean, it was phenomenal to watch him play.

1048
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: But now he doesn't have him and so I'm kind

1049
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: of I'm in an interesting position with this because I

1050
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: talked to Lincoln Riley in Indianapolis Big Ten Media Day.

1051
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 4: He seemed a little humbled, and that were me because

1052
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, if we don't need him humbled,

1053
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 4: we need you know, the rest of this conference needed

1054
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 4: Lincoln Riley walking around thinking like he was the best

1055
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 4: thing ever. But suddenly, you know, he was getting beat

1056
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 4: up a little bit by the questioning people were saying.

1057
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 5: Are you an upper tier team?

1058
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 4: You know, these were questions USC doesn't get and so

1059
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 4: you know, they didn't pay him one hundred and twenty

1060
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 4: million dollars to go in there and win seven or

1061
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 4: eight games, So there's a lot of pressure on him.

1062
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: And I'll be really interested to see the new defensive coordinator.

1063
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 4: Can anybody put a defense together with the way that

1064
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 4: offense plays.

1065
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 5: It's a little Mike Leech like can you you know,

1066
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 5: can you?

1067
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 4: Or Chip Kelly like even too, because they put a

1068
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 4: lot of pressure in your defensive coordinator when you play

1069
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 4: the way they play on offense. But here's the thing, like,

1070
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 4: there's something about this season, John where I'm a little

1071
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 4: looking at USC going could they be a little bit

1072
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: of a surprise like ooh, now that.

1073
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 5: We're not directing anything, you know what I mean?

1074
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 4: Like the trend is usually your friend, but every once

1075
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 4: in a while it'll bite you. So I kind of

1076
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 4: look at this and I go, is this the year

1077
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 4: the USC is sneaky good all of a sudden when

1078
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 4: we don't nobody's expecting them. I don't know, they still

1079
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 4: have some talent. I think Lincoln Riley can coach offense

1080
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Speaker 4: like crazy. He's just about as good as anybody. If

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Speaker 4: they find anything on defense, could they be a little

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Speaker 4: more balanced, and therefore could they be better?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Will they sneak up on anybody?

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Speaker 2: You know? I always have the theory in college football

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Speaker 2: pre transfer portal that you know the head coach if

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00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: he's from that overall region. It's much easier when you

1087
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: look at the West Coast Jeff Tedford COW West Coast Guy,

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00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll, LA Guy, USC, Chris Peterson, UC Davis Boise,

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Speaker 2: you know, Oregon ballatty West Coast guy. Maybe now with

1090
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: transfer portal it doesn't matter as much. I mean, Dan

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Speaker 2: Lanning is a good example. I do think the Lincoln fit,

1092
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: though small town Texas guy Oklahoma is a little weird.

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Speaker 2: In LA. Yeah, I'm sorry, it just is.

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Speaker 4: I saw, you know, not to be stockersh But I

1095
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 4: saw like a picture of his house, and you know

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Speaker 4: that Lincoln Riley buys a house was the headline, and

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Speaker 4: here's the photos of the and I was looking at

1098
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 4: all the bedrooms and the backyard had a pool, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, this is not kind of what he

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Speaker 4: came up in and it's not at all him. And

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Speaker 4: you bring up Mike Leach, like, you know, he was

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Speaker 4: a fit at you know, Texas Tech, and he was

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Speaker 4: a fit at Washington State, and he was a fit

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Speaker 4: at Mississippi State.

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Speaker 5: Like Mike Leach at Oregon, you know wouldn't have worked.

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Speaker 4: And so I do kind of wonder if that is

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Speaker 4: a little bit of the problem. The identity of the

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Speaker 4: school doesn't fit the identity of the coach. Lanning is

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Speaker 4: another example though, too. He's a Kansas City guy, rural

1110
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Speaker 4: Kansas City guy.

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Speaker 5: He went to William Jewell College. He doesn't have an

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Speaker 5: alma mater calling him home.

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Speaker 4: He you know, I think a lot of people believe

1114
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 4: he'll stay at Oregon unless it's the NFL. Like if

1115
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Speaker 4: the Kansas City chiefs call him ten years from now,

1116
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 4: and maybe he goes like but you know, Lanning grew

1117
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: up on like five acres and is kind of a

1118
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Speaker 4: country kid and now he's at Oregon, but there's enough

1119
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 4: of the woods in Eugene and kind of like it's

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Speaker 4: you know, still beautiful country. Like he's not completely you know,

1121
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Speaker 4: out of out of his element there, and so I

1122
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Speaker 4: think it works to a certain extent. Jonathan Smith pointed out,

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Speaker 4: like when I was telling him, hey, Michigan State, like

1124
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Speaker 4: he goes, it's really just Oregon State in the Big Ten,

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Speaker 4: he goes with a lot like Oregon State, the fan base,

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Speaker 4: you know, And I was like, you would have looked

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Speaker 4: so much.

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Speaker 5: Better at UCLA, but you know, who knows.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's a good point on Lincoln Riley,

1131
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 4: like maybe maybe the act just doesn't fit the stage.

1132
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I got that thing just red flagged,

1133
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: especially if it gets weird this year. So I'll end

1134
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Speaker 2: on this. Actually, what's a successful season for Oregon? Do

1135
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: they have to win the national championship? Can they make

1136
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: the final four? If they are in the Big Ten

1137
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Speaker 2: Championship game against Ohio State, Like, how would you view

1138
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: it to be? Like, you know what, that was his

1139
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: third year that went well?

1140
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think look he won ten games in year

1141
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 4: one he won, you know, went to a bowl game.

1142
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 4: I think he won twelve last year with the postseason

1143
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 4: in the championship game involved. But I the expectation right

1144
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 4: now is that they're a top three, top four team. So,

1145
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 4: you know, even though making the playoff would be nice,

1146
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: I think he's got to get to the semifinal and

1147
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 4: show that like there's a shot in another year or

1148
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 4: two that they could win a national championship. Phil Knight

1149
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 4: put a billion dollars into the University of Oregon. He

1150
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 4: and his wife have donated a billion dollars in you know,

1151
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 4: tutoring center and a library and a law school and

1152
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: the Ottson Stadium and the football offices. And you don't

1153
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 4: put a billion dollars into something to you know, see

1154
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 4: your team just make the playoff or you know, play

1155
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: in a holiday Bowl or whatnot. So I think the

1156
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 4: disappointment would set in if they're not playing in that

1157
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: semi final weekend. They've got to play in that semi

1158
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 4: final weekend. If they get to the title game, great,

1159
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 4: they win the national championship. Phil and I will have

1160
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 4: everything that you know he's invested in. He's never gonna

1161
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 4: say it, but I think Oregon really wants to get

1162
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: him a national title. So I'll say this, if they

1163
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 4: don't get to the final four, it's a disappointment.

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Speaker 5: Tell everyone where they can find you, John Canzano dot com.

1165
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 5: If you want to read me, get a free subscripe

1166
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 5: or a paid subscription.

1167
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 4: So I tell people and you can find uh find

1168
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 4: me on the radio or a podcast or the radio show.

1169
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 5: Just just google me, and I'd love to hear from people.

1170
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 2: John, You're the man and uh exciting times in the

1171
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest because I can't I think like most people

1172
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: can't wait to watch this Oregon team play. Yeah.

1173
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 4: Well, I'm a big fan of your work over the years,

1174
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 4: so I appreciate you having me on.

1175
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Speaker 5: It was I was excited to do this one. Thanks John,

1176
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 5: talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: Okay. John Cazano is the man. Now to the lead

1178
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Speaker 2: anchor for the SEC Darry Noka. Okay, very very excited

1179
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: to have the lead dog over at the SEC Network,

1180
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: which is a channel that I watch a lot. I've

1181
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: watched more SEC Baseball than I have Major League Baseball

1182
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years. You turn it on,

1183
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: there's twenty five thousand people at these games, Darry Nokau,

1184
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: Who's Who's Oklahoma? Sooners are are joining the big boys

1185
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: and coming to the SEC. So how's everything going, Darry?

1186
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: It's great, man, It's it's great. Hey, you're listen. You're

1187
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: right about SEC baseball too. It's I I fell out

1188
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: of love years ago with with Major League baseball. It's

1189
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: just too many games and frankly, SEC baseball is so

1190
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: dog on exciting and it feels like there's something on

1191
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: the line all the time. So I'm glad you're watching, man,

1192
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're watching. But yeah, everything's good. It's funny.

1193
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: I actually literally we just taped an interview with Brent

1194
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: Vennables and it was the first one we've had with

1195
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: him on SEC now and it'll be on a little

1196
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: bit later. But he's fired up. I'm fired up. But

1197
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: we just, you know, finally we're less than two weeks out.

1198
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: It feels like it's been a long time coming. But

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Speaker 1: we say that every August.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, obviously it just means more. And you know,

1201
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: from Texas, East college football has always been a really

1202
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: big deal. And listen, I'm a West Coast guy, so

1203
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: I remember when those rumors about Texas and Oklahoma joining

1204
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: the past, which obviously did not happen back twelve doesn't exist.

1205
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: But what's you know, being an SEC media days now

1206
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: that Venables has really kind of settled into his job, obviously,

1207
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: sark last year, does it feel even bigger? The twelve

1208
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: team playoff has changed college football? But it feels like

1209
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: this conference is in the peak of its powers, does

1210
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: it not?

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00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? And I think like where we're gonna see it

1212
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: and maybe feel it the most is every single Saturday,

1213
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: especially when you get into conference play because with those

1214
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: two teams, we just have one more big game, you know,

1215
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: Mississippi State Texas is a big game that we didn't

1216
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: have before. You know, I'm using anybody and anybody against

1217
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: anybody in this league. It feels like we've got one more,

1218
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, big game. So you know, it's not just

1219
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: the Red River game in October. That's gonna be huge, obviously,

1220
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: and it's awesome that you know, it's that's an SEC

1221
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: game now, But it's just it's just it adds to

1222
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: the depth. Right We're in a sport where depth is important.

1223
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: Depth in the difference is important, and we're going four

1224
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: or five, six seventy in regular season games that you

1225
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: don't want to miss. So I think every single Saturday

1226
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: we're going to feel it. Every single Friday night when

1227
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: we do our SEC Now show, we're going to feel

1228
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: it because we got one more big game to preview,

1229
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: we got one more big game to talk about. So

1230
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: Saturdays are going to be pretty amazing around here.

1231
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: You know, before we dive into some specific questions about

1232
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: obviously the high end of the conference, I kind of

1233
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: have a theory with the SEC. Obviously football has always

1234
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 2: been a really big deal in that region, but Nick

1235
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: Saban to me made the conference cool nationally, and obviously

1236
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: the finances of the success and listen, I'm from the

1237
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: Sacramento area and I can't tell you how many parents

1238
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: of family friends I know that have sent their kids

1239
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,919
Speaker 2: to ole Miss, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida. I mean, these kids

1240
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: that historically would have gone to San Diego State or

1241
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: Arizona State are now going to the South. Obviously, financially,

1242
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: I'm a big golf guy. I'm sure you guys have

1243
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: talked about that Alabama golf facility. The other programs that

1244
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: the money they're paying college basketball coaches separate from just Kentucky,

1245
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: right and so Saban the money that he's brought in,

1246
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: but the coolness factor of making it like NFL light

1247
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: it's kind of not really debatable at this point, is it.

1248
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: No? No, And it's just like I think that it's

1249
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: a league that, Yeah, there's a coolness factor for sure.

1250
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, and anybody that ever wanted to complain about

1251
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 1: the amount of money that Alabama played paid him John

1252
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: over the years is out of their mind because what

1253
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: he's brought the University of Alabama and the state in

1254
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: itself is one hundredfold what they've paid him. But it

1255
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's a league that's full of really kind

1256
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: of fun, cool characters. And it's not just football, you know,

1257
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: you talk about that influx from the West coast here,

1258
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: look at softball, Look at baseball rosters in the SEC,

1259
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: especially softball, mean used to be the Kings or the

1260
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: Queens of college softball. And now not only is the

1261
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: pack gone, but that hasn't been applicable for a decade

1262
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: or more. It's here now. And you look at rosters

1263
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: and you see all of these great players from the

1264
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: state of California and Arizona and so on and so

1265
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: forth that have made their way here. One of my

1266
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: best friends, cayleb Brow, is an assistant at Alabama. She

1267
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: was an analyst with us on the SEC Network for

1268
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: a number of years after she was a three time

1269
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: All American at Bama. She's from Eugene, Oregon, and the

1270
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: Shipman's sisters, Maddie and Ali both ended up one at

1271
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: Tennessee and then one at Tennessee and then Alabama. They're

1272
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: Southern Californians. Like it's a cool place to come play sports.

1273
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: It is because the coaches are great, the characters in

1274
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: this league are great. The weather doesn't suck, not that

1275
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: it does on the West Coast either, I understand that,

1276
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: but there's a level of importance. And I mean they

1277
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: put so much into this, like the resource or just

1278
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: it seems infinite, even in sports like baseball and softball.

1279
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you come? And then, oh, by the way,

1280
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: if I can like toot our own horn just a

1281
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: wee little bit, you can leave mom and dad in

1282
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: Orange County. They'll still see every damn one of your

1283
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: games because of ESPN, the SEC Network, SEC Network Plus

1284
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: or ESPN Plus. They're not gonna miss you. They won't

1285
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: be here in person all the time. But you're gonna

1286
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: get to see mom and dad are gonna get to

1287
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: see you play whatever sport it is nine times out

1288
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: of every ten games you play because they can find it.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of reasons I think people are

1290
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Speaker 1: coming this way.

1291
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Speaker 2: Well, obviously, you know the yell fan in the room

1292
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: in this conference of Saban retires du Bore. His resume

1293
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: speaks for itself. I mean, the guy's like less than

1294
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: fifteen career losses, but he's not from the South. You

1295
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: know that. I've known Jim mcawain for a long time.

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Speaker 2: He was a non Southern guy, went to Florida, was winning,

1297
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: and got run out of town. You want to be

1298
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: the guy following the legend, they say, But do Bor

1299
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: just wins everywhere he goes. You've talked to him, obviously,

1300
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: follow that program closely at the SEC network. What's the

1301
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: I saw a picture of the two offices, Saban's office.

1302
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: He completely remodeled it. Did you see that door's new office?

1303
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: It's you know, Saban had this kind of regal, old

1304
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: school just like mob look in office. Do Bores is

1305
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: like modern. It just looks completely different and it's just

1306
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 2: clearly a different vibe he's a different person, but he

1307
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: can coach. So that's at the end of the day

1308
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: what matters most down there, right, Can you win?

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01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah, And if he wins, it'll be fine.

1310
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I don't necessarily, but I think, you know,

1311
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: we thought the fit was weird. Look Dan Mullen at

1312
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: Mississippi state number one in the country at one point,

1313
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: and the dudes from New Hampshire.

1314
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: Brian but he had coached at Florida for a while.

1315
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Speaker 1: He that's true, No, he did, he did. Uh, you know,

1316
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody in Baton Rouge is running Brian

1317
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: Kelly out because he's a Northeastern or you know, from

1318
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: Massachusetts or wherever. Like I understand to some degree the

1319
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: idea of fit, but Nick Saban's West Virginia by way

1320
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: of Kent State, Ohio, and so on and so forth,

1321
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: and so he wasn't necessarily from this neck of the woods.

1322
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: I get why people would say that, but ultimately, if

1323
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: you win, you win. I don't think that'll be an issue.

1324
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: And look to Boor, I think became a fan Alabama's

1325
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: became a fan of Kaln de Boer, the second Jalen

1326
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: Milrose stayed the second he kind of slammed the brakes

1327
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: on the departures. He got a whole bunch of people

1328
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: to decide to stay. And when you look at you,

1329
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: like you said, twelve losses in ten years, it's just

1330
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't care where you are. You're still beating your

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01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: own peers at whatever level you are. It's no. The

1332
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: record is accomplishment speak for itself. He'll be just fine

1333
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: as long as he wins, and I don't have any

1334
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: reason to think he won't. I mean, I don't know

1335
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: about you, Like, were you surprised at all that Alabama's

1336
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: sitting in the top five in the AP polls? That

1337
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: they were what third in the in the preseason SEC

1338
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: standard Like expectations haven't really diminished at all, and they shouldn't.

1339
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just hiring a guy that, you know,

1340
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: beat Texas in a final four games, beat Dan Lanning

1341
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: three straight times. I think the question from a football

1342
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: standpoint is at Fresno State is last year he had

1343
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: Jay Hayner, who's an NFL guy, throws the ball, you

1344
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: go Obviously Penni's prototypical pocket passer. Jalen's not really that.

1345
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: So the question is how he's run his offense. Ryan Grubb,

1346
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: who was a huge part obviously gets stolen away from Seattle.

1347
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: Now he had a guy that was also with him.

1348
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 2: They kind of took that spot, I think, But that

1349
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 2: to me is the question mark, at least on this

1350
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 2: specific season. I think big picture he'll be fine. What

1351
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 2: are there some question marks with him and Jalen Milroe

1352
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: From a just an on the field standpoint, I don't

1353
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: think so.

1354
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: I think I mean it's you know, it's crazy. When

1355
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: Milroe came out of high school, he was considered a

1356
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: quote unquote pocket passer. If you look at the ratings,

1357
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: you know it's it's PP it's I didn't, which surprised

1358
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: me a little bit when I looked at that. Obviously,

1359
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: what he does with his legs is what makes him Jalen.

1360
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: But I do think Milroe can be a very good passer.

1361
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: He's a very accurate long ball passer. You know, the

1362
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: question is going to be a lack of experience in

1363
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: some ways at receiver with Isaiah Bond obviously at Texas,

1364
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:20,959
Speaker 1: but there is talent galore in that receiver room offensive line.

1365
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily get overly concerned about I think I

1366
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: think Alabama's going to I think defensively, they're probably going

1367
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: to be a little bit ahead of the offense for

1368
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, in the early part of the season. But

1369
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: I think they can win games with Jalen Milroe. And

1370
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: I think they win games because of Jalen Milroe. And

1371
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: and you know, Jalen had the opportunity to leave, Jalen

1372
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: could have very well gone somewhere else. But he met Kaylen.

1373
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: He liked Kaylan. He had made the determination, like I've

1374
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: told my parent, my mom, I'm going to get a

1375
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: degree from Alabama. Obviously that fluctuated a little bit with

1376
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: Saban's retiring, But the second he met Caylen to Boor,

1377
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: he said, I'm gonna give a sky a chance, and

1378
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 1: they're really really tight now. And no, I think he'll

1379
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: thrive in his system.

1380
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: You know, with Sabing gone, with Dabbo hitting a little

1381
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: bit of a lull. As clear, Kirby's kind of the

1382
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: king of college football. And it was crazy. I was

1383
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 2: looking Carson Beck in this modern day football, you know,

1384
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 2: sat behind Sets and Bennett for a couple of years. Guys,

1385
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 2: that doesn't really happen as much anymore, and a lot

1386
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 2: of people think he can be the number one quarterback Georgia.

1387
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: It's weird. Obviously they were either two national title teams

1388
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 2: that the NFL players speak for themselves, but the schedule

1389
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 2: sometimes wasn't great. This year open with Clemson at Bama,

1390
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: at Texas at all miss Uh. I mean, there's a

1391
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: decent chance they're damn good still could lose a couple

1392
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: of games, right, what's your what's your what's your thoughts

1393
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: on the program and their their vibes headed in as

1394
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: the preseason number one.

1395
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I I totally get them being

1396
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: number one, you know, and that goes into what Kurt Obviously,

1397
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: when you have a quarterback that could be the number

1398
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: one pick in the draft and he's he looks the

1399
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: part of a of an NFL of a really successful

1400
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback, and he's got the of a successful NFL

1401
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: quarterback and he proved himself a year ago. I have

1402
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: no doubt that they're that they're capable of winning a

1403
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: national demperonship again. But it's not gonna be easy. Like

1404
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: if they if if Georgia runs the table, that's the

1405
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: best season in the history of college football. I mean,

1406
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, they got to go to ole Miss. I

1407
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: think they're gonna see ole Miss twice, like I got

1408
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: ole Miss in Atlanta this year, right, could you imagine

1409
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: like if if Georgia has to play them twice and

1410
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: Texas on the road and Alabama on the road, it's

1411
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: almost unfair. So but they're really really good. And again,

1412
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: twelve team playoff, if they go ten and two, do

1413
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: you keep them out? I don't think anybody would keep

1414
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: them out. And once they're in, look out right, I

1415
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: mean they could get in as a ten seed that

1416
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: lost two games and you know, and and and run

1417
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: the table. So yeah, I would expect I don't. I

1418
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: don't think they run the table this year. I think

1419
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: they lose a game or two, but I still think

1420
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: in the end they're one of the last two standing.

1421
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: What you guys talk about this a lot? I mean

1422
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: over under between the Big ten and the SEC. To

1423
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 2: me's like eight teams, but specifically on the seced you

1424
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: if you had the preseason gal, you're going four? Do

1425
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: you think five's inconceivable? Seeds? Four is more likely than three? Right?

1426
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: I feel four is the right number to guess at

1427
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: this point. I mean it's hard for five. One I

1428
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: think the committee would have a hell of a hard

1429
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: time putting five in because I don't think they want

1430
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: to hear it from everybody else. That seems, you know, tough.

1431
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: But I think four is a good number. It also depends,

1432
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: like does the Big twelve just eat each other alive?

1433
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people think they would, right, I mean,

1434
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: how many how many Big twelve teams with three losses

1435
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: could you put in?

1436
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 2: Well? To me, the Big twelve preseason is getting one.

1437
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 2: I have been chocked for one.

1438
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so then you've got acc what are you looking

1439
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: at there?

1440
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 2: Best case two?

1441
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: Two? So now you've got nine spots open. You give

1442
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: a group of five to one. Now you've got eight

1443
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: spots between those two leagues. I'd have a hard time

1444
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: not thinking it would be four and four. But if

1445
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: that's the case, Like, if there are eight spots between

1446
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: those two leagues, then five becomes very conceivable. I don't

1447
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: think want it, but it becomes conceivable.

1448
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the four right now? Obviously Georgia, everyone would put

1449
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: in Ole, miss very sexy team to put in Bama,

1450
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 2: LSU kind of that group, Tennessee, potential Missouri. Like if

1451
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: you're picking a four h yeah, Texas. Yeah, I would say, yeah,

1452
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: Georgia and Texas. Most people would put in Yeah. Then

1453
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: it's kind of the group of that three or four teams, right,

1454
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: I kind of.

1455
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: Like Georgia, Texas, Old miss Missouri. Missouri's got this incredibly

1456
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 1: manageable schedule, but one that they'll they'll be highly punished

1457
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: if they lose more than two ballgames. Yeah, because it's

1458
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: a schedule that they should absolutely be able to make

1459
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: their way through with ten or eleven wins. So I

1460
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: think Georgia, Texas, Old miss and Missouri would be the

1461
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: if I had to pick four, now, those would be

1462
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: the four Alabama on the on that cusp LSU. I

1463
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: don't know how much I buy them yet. I'd like

1464
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: to see them play de first, and I think Blake

1465
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: Baker was a great hire, and we know they've got

1466
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: personnel over there Tennessee. Let's see. I kind of think

1467
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: they get popped in Norman in their first conference game,

1468
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll see, we'll see. I know people love Nico.

1469
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to see a little bit more Nico before

1470
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: I start anointing them a playoff team.

1471
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 2: Won't BK take a little shit if he's not in

1472
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 2: this twelve. I mean, this is what you're going into

1473
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: year three. They're paying him ninety five million dollars. They

1474
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,560
Speaker 2: hired him and he said to win national championships. He

1475
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: can't make a twelve team playoff at LSU.

1476
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: That How big is that game in Vegas on that

1477
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 1: Sunday night.

1478
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that big because I think they're.

1479
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: Gonna kill him. Okay, all right, they should. They better

1480
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: kill him or kill him.

1481
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you win it, win it by fifteen to twenty,

1482
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: you know, well that's care.

1483
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: If they win it by one, yeah, I think they

1484
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: win there. Stings in a big, big way. I think

1485
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: a win there. I mean, neither team has shown us

1486
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: that they're going to play defense. I like LSU's personnel better.

1487
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 1: But you got two unproven quarterbacks, you know, and Miller

1488
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: Moss on one side and Nuss on the other who's

1489
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: been waiting his turn like Carson Beck did a lot

1490
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: of people in this league, like Garrett us Meyer a lot.

1491
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: I think they are mirror images of one another, with

1492
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more depth on the LSU side.

1493
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: But I think it could I think it could go

1494
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: either way. Like I mean, I'd like to think like

1495
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: you do that. LSU kind of goes in and wins

1496
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: by two three touchdowns. But I don't know if they

1497
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: can't stop anybody, and they've got this scoring pressure with

1498
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: Garrett nus Meyer having to produce on every drive. I

1499
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm ready to say that yet.

1500
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, I was texting with a scouting buddy today. He

1501
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: likes nuss I mean, he's been a practice. I think

1502
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: there's a lot of positive vibes. I mean, Lincoln bagged

1503
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 2: out of that game and Brian said no, which I

1504
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 2: think is I mean, is that a substantiated story that

1505
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 2: sounds that sounds in a lane. I was texting when

1506
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: I was texting the scouting buddy about the SEC, knowing

1507
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 2: you were coming on, I said, to my talented team

1508
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: in the SEC or beside Georgia in Texas, and he said,

1509
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 2: Ole Miss is right up there. You know, Jackson Dart

1510
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: a lot of people like him, obviously the transfer portal king.

1511
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the stat right. First time in Old

1512
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: Miss history back to back double digit win seasons. Lane

1513
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: beat Brian Kelly last year, and I thought one of

1514
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: the more entertaining games of the year. It almost feels

1515
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 2: like is there too much hype behind the squad. You

1516
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 2: like me, like most people like Ole miss playoffs.

1517
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: I love them. I love them, I love them, I

1518
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: love them, I love them in the playoff. I love

1519
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: him getting to Atlanta for the very first time. I

1520
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: love them.

1521
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 2: I love they win the SEC.

1522
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: I think they could. I absolutely think they could. Let's

1523
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: see when Georgia plays them in the regular season. That's

1524
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 1: gonna tell us everything we need to know. I think,

1525
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: I think. I think Old miss is I love like.

1526
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: I love Dart's demeanor, his relationship with Lane. Like you know,

1527
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: Trey Harris is a stud on the outside. I know

1528
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: it hurts losing his stud tail back to Columbus, but

1529
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: I think Bentley is more than capable of being the

1530
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: lead guy there on that side. I like the offensive line. Defensively,

1531
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: you talked about the portal and the additions that he's

1532
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: made all over the defensive front and that front seven.

1533
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: I think they're really, really, really good. And this isn't

1534
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: like you know I would. They're more talented than Missouri.

1535
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: They've got a tougher schedule than Missouri. I put it

1536
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: both in the playoff. The difference is Ole Miss to

1537
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: me has been tested and Lane has been tested for

1538
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: years now and understands what it's like to go week

1539
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,879
Speaker 1: in and week out and have a level of success

1540
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 1: in this league. Drink hasn't yet. Last year, they kind

1541
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere. So for that reason, I

1542
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: like Old Miss a little bit more if I'm kind

1543
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: of comparing two schools with high expectations that they've never

1544
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: really had before. But it's also why I think Old

1545
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: Miss is a conference and frankly national championship contender because

1546
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: Lane understands that grind Lane has been there, He's lived it,

1547
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: he gets it. I think Dark has lived it and

1548
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: gets it. And it's a team that isn't back in

1549
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: from anybody. They're not nobody's gonna walk in there just

1550
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: because you know you have that G on your helmet.

1551
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: They don't. They couldn't care less if you got a

1552
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: number on your helmet. They don't really care. Like they

1553
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: know they're good. And I feel like Ole Miss is

1554
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 1: that team that I wouldn't be shocked at the end

1555
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: of the year if they're raising a droke.

1556
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 2: You know, me and Coward were talking about it. He's

1557
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 2: kind of established himself as a top five coach and

1558
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: he has a lot of success. To me, he wins

1559
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 2: ten plus games and they're in the playoffs, it won't

1560
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 2: even be you can't even argue it. And then the

1561
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 2: question starts. Weirdness already going on in Florida. There's just

1562
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 2: you know, who knows how that thing plays out. The

1563
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: Arkansas situation. Clearly they got a lot of money. Do

1564
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: they get to a position or now all these schools

1565
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: have so much money that if he feels comfortable there

1566
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: he can stay or is just gonna be start being

1567
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: a conversation because it feels like school's not scared off.

1568
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 2: But you know, clearly not been super aggressive based on

1569
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 2: his resume. Does that change if he just hammers an

1570
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: eleven win season, he's in the playoffs, and it's just

1571
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna fend people Ole Miss got to fend people

1572
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 2: off to keep them.

1573
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: I think they're always going to have to. I mean,

1574
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: I think they're always going to have to write. I mean,

1575
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: his his track record says he's kind of always kind

1576
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: of looking maybe for that next thing. I hope not

1577
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: man like I you know, fun at Ole Miss. What's that?

1578
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 2: It's fun at Ole Miss with him?

1579
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: Man, he's got he's got everything. He could ever want there.

1580
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: He's got Clearly, they've got resources. They clearly are better

1581
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: positioned in ANIL than maybe people assumed that they were.

1582
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't know the numbers, I don't know where they

1583
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: rank in the SEC. But they've got more than enough

1584
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: to get the job done clearly. Right, that's a special place,

1585
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: like it really is that that has never experienced what

1586
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: they could potentially experience now. I hope he never goes

1587
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: anywhere like I hope he never goes anywhere. It's hard

1588
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: to understand. It's hard to really know like the level

1589
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: of interest of other places. When Auburn was looking right

1590
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: and they ended up with Freeze and there was all

1591
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: this talk about laying this and laying that. I don't know,

1592
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: Like I talked to a lot of like people in

1593
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: that Auburn program and decision makers, and they were never

1594
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: really as interested in Lane as the as we were

1595
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: made to believe. So, you know, are people scared about

1596
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: a lack of loyalty? Are people just kind of being told, look,

1597
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere. I don't know what the answer is,

1598
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: but I'd love to see Lane stay there for ten

1599
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: years and get them to six six playoff berths and

1600
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: make them nationally relevant every year because he's a lot

1601
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 1: of fun in that place. He'd be fun anywhere, but

1602
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: that's a pretty cool place to have Lane Kiffin.

1603
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: I think I would agree. Okay, I get you out

1604
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 2: of here on this Texas and Oklahoma. We'll start with Texas.

1605
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: You know, obviously with the money they have support in

1606
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 2: that program and sar if they've been recruited. I mean,

1607
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: their rosters loaded, but they come into this conference kind

1608
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: of with a bullseye on their back of like okay,

1609
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: let's see guys, and they're going to get everyone. It's

1610
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 2: like almost I mean obviously they were right there to

1611
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: win a national championship last year right till the end

1612
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: in the final four. How do you think that's going

1613
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 2: to go? Because there's a ton of hype that the

1614
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 2: rosters loaded, but they are going to get even the

1615
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,440
Speaker 2: random teams they play on their schedule in the SEC's

1616
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 2: best shot and the the atmospheres on the road for

1617
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 2: them is gonna be bananas.

1618
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: Right well, I think they they probably should be a

1619
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: playoff team. I'm real careful to to have some national

1620
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 1: championship expectations for them. They are really talented, but man

1621
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: oh Man John like this grind in this league. They've

1622
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: never seen it. Same with OU, They've just never ever

1623
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: experienced what they're gonna get week in and week out.

1624
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: And yeah, the game in ann Arbor in week two,

1625
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: Michigan might have the best defense in America. So like,

1626
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be a walk in the park. Are

1627
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: they going to have a loss on their schedule before

1628
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: they can get into conference play? They certainly could. But

1629
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's just a grind, Like I need

1630
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: to see Texas navigate it before I anoint them too much.

1631
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: I need to see OU navigate this first, you know.

1632
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: And that's that's the that's the you know. You remember

1633
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: when when Utah was in the Mountain West and they

1634
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: made a transition to the PAC twelve. And we know

1635
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: where Utah left the PAC twelve. They were obviously the

1636
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,799
Speaker 1: most consistent program over probably the last three or four seasons,

1637
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: but it took some time the Mountain West to the

1638
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 1: PAC twelve. Then I'm not gonna sit here and say

1639
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,799
Speaker 1: that that's not what I see in the Big twelve

1640
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: to the SEC. I think it's a similar type move

1641
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: and there's just some I just think it's going to

1642
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: take a little bit of time to navigate it to

1643
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: the point where we say sark is a net where

1644
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: Texas is going to be a national championship team this year.

1645
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm just not ready to go there. But they have

1646
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: all thes and they have all the resources, and they

1647
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: have all the talent, and I get that, it's just

1648
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: something else that it takes to be able to navigate this.

1649
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you. And that's where I think

1650
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 2: on the flip side, Oklahoma kind of gets to fly

1651
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 2: in under the radar, not everyone's anointing them, and they

1652
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: get to kind of come with a little chip on

1653
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 2: their shoulder. You know, Oregon so high right now on

1654
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel, but didn't Oklahoma kind of tell them we're

1655
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,560
Speaker 2: gonna go to Jackson Arnold now, you know anytime you

1656
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 2: get a first year quarterback. But I think Oklahoma, listen,

1657
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 2: you go eight and four, but you knock someone off

1658
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 2: or on the way, Like that's kind of what I expect.

1659
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 2: Where everyone's gunning for Texas, Oklahoma kind of gets to

1660
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: cruise in like their Mississippi state or something.

1661
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: They're really good, Like they're really good. They Oklahoma might

1662
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: have a top three group of receivers in the SEC.

1663
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: They've got a quarterback that nobody talks about because he's

1664
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: relatively unproven, but he's got as much talent as anybody

1665
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: in this league that plays that position. And defensively, like

1666
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't Lincoln Riley, Alex Grinch defense. Brent

1667
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: has done a wonderful job through the portal and in

1668
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: just in general high school recruiting, but mostly through the

1669
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: portal of building a unit that is going to be

1670
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: I think top half of this SEC. And you want

1671
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: chip on the shoulder. When was the last time OU

1672
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: was picked eighth in a conference? I was in college

1673
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: there in the late nineties when they were got awful

1674
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 1: with John Blake as a coach, like they have not.

1675
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,680
Speaker 1: He had sixteenth in the country in the AP. It's

1676
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: pretty wild to see that. But they're really talented, Like they'll, oh,

1677
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: they'll beat a couple of teams they're not supposed to beat.

1678
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be in Oxford early in

1679
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 1: the season. I don't know if it'll be in Dallas

1680
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: against Texas, but they certainly could. They've beaten Texas teams

1681
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: that are better than them on paper. Dozens of times.

1682
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, and they know you. I think is going

1683
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: to be better than people think for sure.

1684
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 2: So on that quarterback, Carson back obviously, Jackson Dharr, Jalen Milroe,

1685
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 2: a lot of hype. We've seen Oklahoma rattler, a ton

1686
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 2: of hype, didn't live up to it. Caleb opposite ton

1687
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 2: of hype. Clear he was a star. Yeah, kind of

1688
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 2: feel somewhat similar of hype machine behind this young guy.

1689
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: You follow the program closely. I think you were there.

1690
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: I saw some on YouTube. You were at the program.

1691
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the hype machine behind this

1692
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 2: young quarterback?

1693
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: Well, he's I think one thing is he doesn't buy

1694
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 1: into the hype. That dude's really humbled, Like, he's really humble.

1695
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: He will work, he's in early out late. He has

1696
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: an incredible relationship with his receivers. Watch for a guy

1697
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 1: Dion Burks Purdue transfer that that's at Oklahoma. Now that

1698
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: guy is he could be an all he could be

1699
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: a first team All SEC guy. He and Jackson have

1700
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: a really good relationship to this particular point. You know,

1701
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: the question is can he get the protection he's going

1702
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: to need? And the offensive line is probably their biggest

1703
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: outstanding question right now. But that dude himself that he

1704
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: has grown. He's really really smart, he works really really hard,

1705
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: and he's as accurate as you know. I've heard people

1706
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Speaker 1: compare him in his accuracy to Sam Bradford, who to

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01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: me is the most accurate quarterback that ever went through

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01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 1: that program, but one of the most accurate I've ever seen.

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: So I think he's got all the tools and all

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01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: the makings, and he's in the right head space. So

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01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was thinking about going to a big

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01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: time college football game this year and the easiest one,

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01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 2: you know, in the SEC can be hard to get

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 2: to coming from Scottsdale, but the Red River rivalry in Dallas, Yeah,

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01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 2: I would imagine you'd recommend that game, wouldn't you?

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01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: Anytime I would recommend that I you know, in this league,

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01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: in the SEC, there's a little bit of arrogance, you know,

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01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: like I should be observed. There's the Iron Bowl, there's

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01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 1: the Egg Bowl, and there's Georgia, Florida, and in many ways,

1721
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: people don't think there's anything else. There's gonna be real awakening,

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01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 1: I think to people when they get a good up

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01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: close look at Oklahoma Texas. I think it's awesome. Yes,

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01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: I would say go to U Texas. You know what,

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01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: you want to go experience something in Norman. I'm sure

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01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: you probably have before. But the first conference game with

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01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: Tennessee coming in and Josh Heipel coming back to Norman,

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01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: that's gonna be special, man, like that. That's one on

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Speaker 1: the schedule. I'd put a little circle around.

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Speaker 2: To Okay, Darry. I appreciate your time and exciting times

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01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 2: you know in the SEC, so enjoy it and watch

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 2: Oklahoma take down some people along the way.

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01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: I would love to John good talking to you man.

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01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate you reaching out.

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01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 2: Oh, no problem, have a good one. See if

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Speaker 1: The volume