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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I have never said this before

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Speaker 1: with me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is the brilliantly

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Speaker 1: talented Ed Westwick. Now you may know Ed from his

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Speaker 1: breakout role of Chuck Bass in the pop culture phenomenon

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Speaker 1: known as gossip Girl. You know you love me xoxo

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Speaker 1: gossip Girl. Yeah, I had to do it just once. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm mortified, moving on. The show is based off the

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Speaker 1: tremendously popular book series which catapulted ed into international stardom.

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Speaker 1: Now Ed and I we are around the same age,

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Speaker 1: so I grew up watching the show and loving every

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Speaker 1: single second of it. It really was iconic, and because

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Speaker 1: of streaming, younger generations are falling in love with the

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Speaker 1: series as well, which I know for Ed is pretty

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Speaker 1: cool to see. Ed has gone on to play so

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Speaker 1: many other incredible characters in film and TV. But out

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Speaker 1: now is his new movie Dark Game. He plays a

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Speaker 1: determined detective who was in a race against time to

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Speaker 1: stop a twisted game show on the dark Web where

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Speaker 1: captives are forced to compete for their lives. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: movie is gonna have you at the edge of your seats.

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Speaker 1: It is so well done. It's everything the more that

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Speaker 1: you want in a suspenseful, thrilling, semi horror type of film.

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Speaker 1: And today we dive into the movie. We're gonna revisit

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Speaker 1: his old friend Chuck Bass from Gossip Girl, of course,

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Speaker 1: and we even get a little philosophical. So let's see

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Speaker 1: if today we can get Ed to say something that

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Speaker 1: he has never said before. Ed Westwickman, Man, how you

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Speaker 1: doing today?

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Speaker 2: Tell me?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing so good. It's great to be with you, man.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so psyched to have you. We have so much

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Speaker 1: to talk about. You have a lot going on right now.

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Speaker 1: But before we jump into your brand new movie, I

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Speaker 1: gotta say, I feel like you just set the Internet

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Speaker 1: on fire and you knew what you were doing.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any idea what I'm referring to.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to take a wild guess here. He's talking

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Speaker 4: about my engagement.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good guess, and that could be wrong, but that's

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Speaker 1: actually wrong?

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Speaker 4: Holy cow? Okay, no, what is it? Tell me?

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Speaker 1: You were in New York, you put up a post,

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Speaker 1: you visited the Palace Hotel, and you kind of slipped

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Speaker 1: back into your character of Chuck Bass's shoes. You knew

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Speaker 1: what you were doing with that post, didn't you?

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent? I knew what I was doing, And

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Speaker 3: you know what it is, Tommy. The reason why I

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Speaker 3: said the engagement because it's the biggest thing in my life,

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Speaker 3: of course, but we just had so much going on

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Speaker 3: right now. It's been such great period in my life.

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Speaker 3: There's amazing stuff. I feel super blessed, super grateful with

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Speaker 3: so much support out there.

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Speaker 4: It's really cool. But I mean, yeah, I went to

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Speaker 3: I was doing promotion for the movie we're probably going

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Speaker 3: to talk about, and I thought.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm here, let's go buy an older

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Speaker 4: stomping ground as it were, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I went back over to the Palace, which was

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Speaker 4: I had all of these flashback what's happening.

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Speaker 3: It was like it was like a scene in a

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Speaker 3: show where the character has a flashback. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: somebody in real life who actually has flashbacks, but I

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Speaker 4: It was a TV show. And the weird thing is

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Speaker 4: I had flashbacks on the TV show. So I h.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were there and we were like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: we've got to take a picture. We got to, you know,

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Speaker 3: play with people in a good way and let them

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Speaker 3: know that I'm back and was thinking about these old times,

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Speaker 3: and so many good memories from New York, so many

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Speaker 4: It was wonderful.

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Speaker 3: And do you know what, People still watch the show,

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Speaker 3: They still talk about it. I still take pictures with

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Speaker 3: It's got a real legacy. Wow, what are things to

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Speaker 1: People are crazy over that post and that was so

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Speaker 1: much fun. And we'll reflect back on that a little

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Speaker 1: bit later. But let's get into Dark Game, because man,

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Speaker 1: the movie is terrifying. It's gruesome, it has you at.

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Speaker 2: The edge of your seat.

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Speaker 1: It's horror, it's mystery, it's all the things. So what

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Speaker 3: I mean, first and foremost, I'd never played a detective,

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It seems to be like a type of character that

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Speaker 3: Right, because it's this very individual, specialized thing that not

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Speaker 3: You know, you're going to see some traumatizing stuff, You're

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Speaker 4: You're going to experience that.

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Speaker 3: So look, as an actor, maybe it's a safe way

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Speaker 3: but it's just interesting to get to play in that world.

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Speaker 3: I find that as a movie fan and as a

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Speaker 3: True Detective, I love Heat, I love Seven. These are

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Speaker 3: that's what drew me in. I'd worked with the producer

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: We made this movie for not a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: It's always a great challenge making movies. This was a

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Speaker 3: all the feedback I'm getting on social media people that

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Speaker 4: But that's what drew me to it.

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Speaker 3: It was the genre, the fact I had not done

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Speaker 3: anything like that, and knowing that I have an ease

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Speaker 1: So playing a detective live up to your expectation since

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Speaker 1: you've always wanted to step into that kind of role.

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Speaker 3: One D plus, I just come off a movie where

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Speaker 3: of cause his family are brutally murdered, essentially, and that's

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Speaker 3: the movie. But I was drawn to it in that regard.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to do something different, right, just come from

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Speaker 3: play something darker. It's always a nice way to do

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Speaker 3: was great, It was great. It was really moody, and

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Speaker 3: I like doing Moody, and people like it when I

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Speaker 3: I do Moody.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: So you give good Moody, you give good my.

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Speaker 4: Fiance, I'll tell you I'm pretty moody.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm jo.

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Speaker 4: We're all mood I'm a Ktsarian, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's one of those things

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Speaker 4: I'm an actor, I'm an artist.

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Speaker 2: You get it, you know, Yeah, I get it, man,

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Speaker 2: I get it well.

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Speaker 1: And what's so cool about this movie is, you know,

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Speaker 1: even if you're not the biggest horror fan or you

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent would. I think it's got a

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Speaker 4: You know, these crimes are.

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Speaker 3: Taking place on the dark Web, right, and we're all

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Speaker 4: I mean it's sad, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure they always have, but now there's

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Speaker 4: It's something really, really bad. It is a gruesome movie.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's in the title dark Game. It's a

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Speaker 3: Dark, so, you know, not for the squeamish, but you

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Speaker 4: Eyes for this part.

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Speaker 3: But look, it is a cat and mouse thriller. It

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Speaker 1: And honestly too, something I kind of got out of

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Speaker 3: Real thing going on, isn't there, with the whole bystander

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Speaker 3: how many times do people actually then watch those videos

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Speaker 3: unless you're posting like a couple of seconds clip or something.

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Speaker 4: This is in my experience anyway, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Make loads of videos, put our video loads of stuff.

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Speaker 3: But then Also with the instances you're talking about where

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, I find myself not with this

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Speaker 1: And I like your story because there's not one path

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Speaker 4: It was just this weird thing I got in my mind.

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Speaker 4: Go for it. You know, anything can happen, man, anything.

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Speaker 1: Can happen, and especially as an artist, all of that

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Speaker 3: Right one hundred percent. I couldn't agree with you that more.

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Speaker 4: In that business, you're creating a product, if.

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Speaker 1: You strike me as someone who is very much an optimist.

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Speaker 1: From chatting with you up until this point. You know,

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude.

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Speaker 3: So I have done probably five thousand auditions in my life,

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Speaker 3: you've tried putting a lot of efforts to make an

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00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 3: audition tape and you don't get the job, or when

443
00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 3: you have in a shitty day and you don't in

444
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 3: a lot of effort and you don't get the job,

445
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 3: And then you're like, why did I not put in

446
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 3: more effort that day? What was going on with me?

447
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,960
Speaker 3: Why am I feeling demotivated today? So, of course, you know,

448
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 3: right now I feel great. I had a great night's sleep,

449
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,920
Speaker 3: i had a great workout. I'm pumped for this interview.

450
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 3: It's wonderful. So everything's good. But yeah, of course I

451
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 3: have bad days. You know, I lost both my parents

452
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 3: to cancer eleven years ago, one a year and a

453
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 3: half ago. These are terrible things, These are difficult things,

454
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,159
Speaker 3: and I've dealt with them differently because I was at

455
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 3: different points in my life. You know, I used to

456
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 3: party too much.

457
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 4: Now I don't party at all.

458
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 3: You know, It's like it's one of those things and

459
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 3: that helps with feeling good, you know, because you're not

460
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 3: messing yourself up.

461
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 4: So it's one of those things, man. I mean, life

462
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 4: is a continuous work in progress. But of course, man,

463
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 4: I have stressful moments. I have overwhelming moments.

464
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 3: I have anxious moments, and I have moments where I

465
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 3: just don't feel great. But I get back in the game,

466
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 3: and you know, and I think, now, what I'm more

467
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 3: aware of than ever is that, look, we're on a

468
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 3: not a roller coaster, but we're on there's waves. Man,

469
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 3: there's waves, you know, and you're gonna have good times

470
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: and some bad times. And ultimately, I think, especially in

471
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 3: my in my kind of career, and I mean the

472
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: acting and all the other stuff, it's about kyd of

473
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 3: catching a bus. You might sit around and you've got

474
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 3: to wait for the bus. You catch the bus, you

475
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 3: get on that bus.

476
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 4: But sometimes you're.

477
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: Waiting around for a while, and it could be pretty

478
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 3: boring in the bus stop, you know, it could be

479
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 3: quiet you could be the only person there. But yeah,

480
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 3: it's it's just life. Life is amazing. But I think

481
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 3: if what I've worked to do is cultivate a mentality

482
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 3: that it's an adventure, and when I embrace that, things

483
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 3: should turn out.

484
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Speaker 4: Okay, they've been pretty good so far. Let's carry on.

485
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you put one foot in front of the other.

486
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,640
Speaker 1: That's that's the only way to do it, in my opinion.

487
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: And I like that people like you share that with

488
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: the world and interviews like this, because it's very easy

489
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 1: to get caught up in your own ship cycle and

490
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: think life sucks sometimes and then you just have to

491
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Speaker 1: have that ground and grounding again.

492
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 2: So I love that mentality so much.

493
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Chuck Vass at the beginning of this interview.

494
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: I brought him up too.

495
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: I get the sense that you kind of miss him,

496
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: but you slipping into his shoes from time to time.

497
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Speaker 4: I do. Do you know what, here's my whole mentality

498
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 4: on it. I'll track my thoughts for you.

499
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 3: I was nineteen when I started Gossip Golf finished when

500
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: I was twenty five and thirty six now, and what

501
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: happened was this we were thrust.

502
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 4: It into this show. You know, I chose to put

503
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 4: myself in it. I got the part. It was great,

504
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 4: and then it exploded and it was amazing.

505
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 3: And we were in New York and I was young,

506
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: and I had money and I had fame, and it

507
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 3: was wow, you know.

508
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 4: And I had also people telling me, oh my god,

509
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 4: you're doing such a great job. You're doing a great job.

510
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 4: You'll killing it. Oh yeah, thanks, yeah, yeah, all right,

511
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 4: I am great. And you know, you.

512
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Speaker 3: Develop a little bit of ego around that. You're moving quick.

513
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: And it was New York. We were partying hard, we

514
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 3: were having fun, we were working hard.

515
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 4: It was a good time.

516
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: And then the show ends and a sense of your

517
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 3: identity kind of is put into question because you have

518
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 3: identified with this show, this character, this lifestyle so much.

519
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: And I moved out to LA and I'm just like, huh,

520
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: what's going on? Because I felt LA was the natural progression.

521
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: Then my dad died, which obviously I was twenty six.

522
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: It was crazy. It was very difficult to deal with,

523
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 3: and they went through this period of not feeling great,

524
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: you know, and then kind of coming out of that

525
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 3: in my early thirties for about thirty and just continuing

526
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 3: to evolve and to grow and become a very positive person,

527
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: I guess in general. And then I was able to

528
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 3: have hindsight and reflect on this amazing period and this show.

529
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Speaker 3: And the one of the reasons for that is because

530
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 3: I was constantly reminded of it because so many people

531
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Speaker 3: love it, and.

532
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 4: I thought, this is incredible. This has been years now

533
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 4: we're talking about this. This is what? Wow? What is this?

534
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 4: And it is somewhat of Promena And because of streaming

535
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 4: and all of these things that have conspired in order

536
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 4: for this to take place. The invention of streaming means

537
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: the show can live on this platform.

538
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 3: The invention of social media means that this thing can

539
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 3: be talked about in this commentary on it, and people

540
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 3: communicated the message past say have you seen this?

541
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 4: Have you seen this?

542
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 3: So all of this stuff happens. That means that this

543
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: stuff can happen. And I just reflected on it. I

544
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: was like, huh wow, because in the beginning I was

545
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: a little bit like, oh, I'm done with it.

546
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 4: You know, I want to move on Like.

547
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 3: I was young, you know, you want to feel like

548
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 3: there's more to life, there's more you want to get

549
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: on with. But now I just I'm so fascinated by

550
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: what that show achieves. I'm so fascinated by the impact

551
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 3: it's had. And then, of course, naturally, because I am

552
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 3: you know, storytelling is a I said, part of my

553
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: life and my existence, and because I know the fans

554
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: have such an.

555
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 4: Enjoyment for it, of course I think, hey, could there

556
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 4: be more?

557
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 3: Now there's not going to be more, there's no spoiler

558
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: alert there.

559
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: I would love to have done something. Unfortunately that's not

560
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: on the cards. I've been told, which is fine.

561
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 3: But you know what, I think, what we've discovered, and

562
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: what I've discovered in my career is that people probably

563
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 3: mostly enjoy me playing certain types of characters, and I'm

564
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: not forgiving them more of those types of characters if

565
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: I get given the opportunity.

566
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens.

567
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: It's so cool because I'm thirty eight.

568
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: I grew up with the show and watched it, and

569
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: at that time, I felt like I was watching a

570
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: lot of shocking never before seeing things on television, and

571
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, and it was like, oh my god,

572
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe a show is showing.

573
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: Something like that.

574
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: And now it's so cool because like you said, there's

575
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Speaker 1: all new generations twelve thirteen, fourteen year old watching it,

576
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: and I'm so curious in this day and age when

577
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: so much more is on TV, so much racy things

578
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: and topics that weren't really talked about, Like how how

579
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: it still captivates them is fascinating.

580
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 3: I think, Look, I haven't seen Euphoria, but from what

581
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 3: I've heard, some of the storylines were pretty extreme. And

582
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: I think there's a line again with people like, you

583
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: know that old thing your mum used to say to

584
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: you when you'd watched something violent, and like you can

585
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: talk about it with like porn for example, Like people

586
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 3: were like, don't look at certain things. It will it

587
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 3: kind of messes you up, or it's like too much

588
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: or you know. And so I think the majority of

589
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 3: people maybe don't want the most extreme storyline in the

590
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: history of mankind on their TV show. They just want

591
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: to be entertained in an intelligent way that's fine and witty,

592
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 3: and Escape is a bit and doesn't have to kind

593
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: of really make them feel a little bit dare I

594
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: say dirty? So Gossip Girl at the time was edgy,

595
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: but now because of other stuff that's out there, it's

596
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: not edgy, but.

597
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: It resonates probably because.

598
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: Of its other assets, which are, hey, it was witty, Hey,

599
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: the great fashion. Hey, they had characters that you could

600
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: relate to because maybe they weren't doing like super super

601
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: crazy stuff.

602
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 4: You know, maybe it's just a little bit more. You know.

603
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 4: It was warm instead of burning hot, you know.

604
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: And people loved the love stories.

605
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean a million people have written that your love

606
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: story with Blair Waldorf, of course in the show, is

607
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: one of the greatest love stories in any television series

608
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean, when you hear things like that,

609
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: that must feel pretty damn good.

610
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 4: It feels amazing. You know that again, you were part

611
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: of this thing.

612
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: But that's testimony to the writers, you know, and late

613
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: in the night doing our thing. But we had great writers,

614
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: you know, we had great editors, We had great music supervised.

615
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: Is that put a whole package together with kick ass music,

616
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: you know, that makes as anyone knows.

617
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: If you've ever watched a movie.

618
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 3: Which not a lot of people have unless you're in

619
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: the business, you probably have of course, with no score

620
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: on it, with no music.

621
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 4: It's like what am I watching?

622
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Then you put that stuff together with the music

623
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: and it comes alive and you get the chills and

624
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: it's fantastic.

625
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 4: That's what it's about. That's the full package.

626
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: That's why it's about a big team that goes into

627
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: making these productions. That's why there's so many names at

628
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 3: the end of a movie or a show, you know,

629
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: because a lot of people involve.

630
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's cool that you'll always hold that

631
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: special place in your heart for that role and for

632
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: that show. Because I talk to a lot of people who,

633
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, don't necessarily feel the same way about past projects,

634
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: and I don't.

635
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: I don't always quite get it.

636
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: I get wanting to move on and expand your arrange

637
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: and do different things, but to kind of almost act

638
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: like something didn't exist, I'm always like, huh, it's.

639
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: The weirdest thing in the wild man, because like, look,

640
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: in all honesty, like I still make a living off

641
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: a gossip girl, you know, so why would I hate

642
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: something that still helps me pay my bills aid? And

643
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: then like it's still I'm still essentially working on it, do.

644
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? It's ongoing.

645
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: And then something that's brought so many people like joy,

646
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: like hello, you were involved in something really positive here,

647
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: Like what are you talking about? You know, I get

648
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: it with actors, like they don't want to be known

649
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 3: for one thing or like, but you know when I

650
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: mean at least anybody who knows you for anything. Man,

651
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: it's like that old Sinatra thing, like I'm going to

652
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: butcher the quote, but it's like about, well, look, they

653
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: could be yelling at you instead of applauding you or

654
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: like whatever it is. You know, if you've done anything

655
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: that people have seen, you've been lucky to give that opportunity.

656
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: Try and be grateful for it. But who knows. Some

657
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: people have a really bad time as an actor on

658
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: a show.

659
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: I didn't. I had a great time.

660
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: I know, life happens and you can't keep in touch

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Speaker 1: with everyone. But is it kind of like the gangs

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Speaker 1: back together when you all see each other or check in.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to see Chase Brawford on March the thirtieth

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Speaker 3: in Paris, France.

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Speaker 4: We're doing a convention together.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: And we did one in North Carolina about two years

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Speaker 3: ago and I hadn't seen him in ages and it

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Speaker 3: was just like the last day on set, you know.

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Speaker 3: But he'll always if I love those guys, they'll always

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Speaker 3: have a very very special place in my heart, and

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Speaker 3: of course time has passed. Of course we've all moved on.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be great to see him, and it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be good.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say it again because it keeps coming

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Speaker 1: to mind throughout this interview. I just so love your

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Speaker 1: grounding and your gratitude for everything you've accomplished, where you've

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Speaker 1: been and where you're going. It's refreshing to hear. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that's probably why you're someone who.

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Speaker 2: Is continuing to achieve so much.

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Speaker 1: Success as you're really seemingly I mean, what do I know,

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Speaker 1: but you seem to be very in touch with yourself

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Speaker 1: and in the life that you want, in the life

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Speaker 1: you've created.

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Speaker 2: I think that's really cool.

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Speaker 4: Well, dude, do.

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Speaker 3: You know what, man, it's a pretty I actually put

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Speaker 3: a dark thought into the mix up. One day there

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Speaker 3: won't be a day. One day everything will be gone.

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Speaker 3: It will all be gone. And these legacies that men

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Speaker 3: try or women or whoever try to hold on to,

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Speaker 3: these fights and these spats and this bitterness and this

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Speaker 3: suing each other or.

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Speaker 4: Whatever it is that we all get caught up.

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Speaker 3: In, none of it will matter, And you have to

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Speaker 3: ultimately say what is the point.

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Speaker 4: What is my point? You know, what is the point

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Speaker 4: in me actually being here?

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Speaker 3: And mine is to try and be happy, man, because

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Speaker 3: that's when everything good happens for me, everything good happens

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Speaker 3: for those around me, and there's no point in really

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Speaker 3: wasting your time in the other direction.

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Speaker 4: It's a difficult notion.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people don't want to think about the

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Speaker 3: end of humanity, the end of this planet. But you know,

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Speaker 3: if we believe in science, which I do, that day

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Speaker 3: is coming. I mean, it's going to come a long way,

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Speaker 3: thank god, you know, but it's a reality, and it

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Speaker 3: just kind of frames the fact that, look, man, it's

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Speaker 3: all impermanent, and stop taking everything so seriously, the good

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Speaker 3: and the bad.

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Speaker 4: Don't take it so seriously.

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Speaker 3: And I know that's sometimes easier said than done because

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Speaker 3: we have emotional people when we get attached to things.

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Speaker 3: But if you could just try and have a little

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Speaker 3: bit of perspective. And I'm not this guy all.

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Speaker 4: The time, and I'm not sounding pre chy, probably i am,

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Speaker 4: but I don't mean to.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully if that my mentality can kind of set you

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Speaker 3: a bit free and you can chill. But I did

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Speaker 3: have a great night sleep and I did have a

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Speaker 3: workout today, so I've done some good things that make

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Speaker 3: me make me feel good.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because I usually end these conversations in

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Speaker 1: my show with a question based off the title, which

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Speaker 1: what is one thing you've never said before? But I

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Speaker 1: feel like you kind of just answer that like that

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Speaker 1: felt like a great answer unless you have something else

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Speaker 1: for me. But I feel like you've been so open

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Speaker 1: during the whole conversation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the only other thing to say is that

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Speaker 3: I know pretty much every lyric to every song to

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Speaker 3: Parc wrote so and I've never said that before. I've

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Speaker 3: never openly admitted it, but.

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Speaker 2: There every so you would go on record and say every.

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Speaker 3: Lyric, I said nearly every lik nearly okay.

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Speaker 4: Every song, nearly every song, nearly every song.

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Speaker 3: There's some songs I know every lyric too, you know,

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Speaker 3: but I've never really spoken about my love affair with

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Speaker 3: the two puts your openly so my metaphorical love affair,

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Speaker 3: of course.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for clarifying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome, well cool, unexpected, but I love that

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Speaker 1: I'm here for it.

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Speaker 2: That's super fun.

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Speaker 3: Ed.

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Speaker 2: I could talk to you for hours. This has been

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Speaker 2: such a good time.

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Speaker 1: Remind everybody where we can watch your new movie and

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Speaker 1: check it out.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Tomy. So Dark Game is out now.

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Speaker 3: It is available on all demand platforms, Apple TV, Amazon Prime, Voodoo,

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Speaker 3: all of those, Fandango great, it's all of them.

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Speaker 1: It's ready to go, awesome, rock on, go watch the movie, guys.

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Speaker 1: It's so much fun and I'm going to look forward

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Speaker 1: to continuing to follow your career. I love the work

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Speaker 1: you do and after chatting with you, you're You're an

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Speaker 1: awesome guy and it's really been nice to get to

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Speaker 1: know you more.

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Speaker 4: Tommy, great to be you can read you man. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for your time.

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Speaker 1: I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Dederio.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Piblisi at iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and by me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've

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