1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: A nice lady posted on X quote, I'm at a 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: point where I need to admit that I have postpartum anxiety, 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: but to describe it in those terms feel stupid to me. 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: I don't need a therapist. I need a mom that 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: helps me, and like three old friends or relatives who 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: are moms who live within six. 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: Blocks of me. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: She followed this up with two more tweets. Maybe a 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: therapist would help that, but the idea of paying a 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: sitter to find someone I need to pay to listen 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: to me just feels like making a mockery of my 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: problems here lol. And then she said, from the outside, 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: I look like a person with a very vibrant social life. 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: My friends would be very shocked if they knew how 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: I was feeling, but I haven't answered. How are you 17 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: doing with anything approaching honesty in like a year? I'm 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: an emotional mountain man. I completely understand her. People see 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: messages like this and think there's regret for having the 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: kid or something like that. I think that's it at all. 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Having a child is an indescribable experience. Just little things. 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: I like to say there are five people in the 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: room and then they're a suddenly six. It's magic. It's 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: a miracle, but it's like a bomb exploding in your life, 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: but a good bomb picture, like a bomb of roses. 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: It's gorgeous, incredible, But now there are flowers everywhere, and 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: eventually they have to be cleaned up. I tweeted quote, 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: I don't know where life will take my kids, but 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: I stress to them that if they stay somewhat near me, 30 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: I commit to being there for them in any capacity 31 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: they want when they have kids. My mom and in 32 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: laws are a giant help in my life, and their 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: involvement is so good for the kids too. Even after 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: we move to Florida, my mom and in laws come 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: visit for weeks at a time to spend time with 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: the kids. They love the day to day stuff with them, 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: giving them breakfast, taking them to school activities. Obviously it's 38 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: a huge help to me, but it's also good for 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: everyone involved. There's this new line that people aren't told 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: how difficult having a baby will be, and I think 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: that's untrue. I thought my life would end if I 42 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: had kids, and it was very much just the beginning, 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: but I had it easier than most because I lived 44 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: near my mom and my in laws and both played 45 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: an outsized role in helping me raise my kids. A 46 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: lot of people say they want this, but then you 47 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: know they move away from their families, which sometimes can't 48 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: be helped. But sometimes even when they are close by, 49 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: new parents can't let go of the control enough to 50 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: let their families help. This was very much not me, 51 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: and I think it was because of the example I 52 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: had had. I had been very close to my grandmother 53 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: and her sister. They had helped raise me. I actually 54 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: tell their story in the first chapter of Stolen Youth, 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: the book I co wrote with Bethany Mendel a year 56 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: and a half ago, almost two years ago. Now, they 57 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: meant a lot to me, my grandmother and her sister, 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: and I wanted my kids to have their grandparents in 59 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: the same way I did, for it to be natural 60 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: and just a part of our family. Was it always easy? 61 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: Did I never have disagreements with my mother and my 62 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: mother in law and how to raise the kids. Of 63 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: course I did. I still do. 64 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: My mom and I. 65 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: Have a big glow up once a year about it. 66 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: But big picture, my kids have a real relationship with 67 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: all three of their grandparents and it's beautiful. And you know, 68 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: I get a bunch of help too. I was able 69 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: to work or travel with my husband, which helped our 70 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: relationship because I knew they were not just in good hands, 71 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: but the hands that I trust most of all. Thanks 72 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: for listening. Coming up my interview with Gates Garcia. 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That's one word SUPPORTIFCJ dot org or 87 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: call eight eight eight four eight eight IFCJ that's eight 88 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: eight eight four eight eight IFCJ eight eight eight four 89 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: eight eight four three two five. 90 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 91 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 3: guest today is Gates. Garcia Gates is a businessman, media personality, 92 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: and Claremont scholar and host of the upcoming show We 93 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: the People. Hi Gates, So nice to have you on. 94 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 2: Hey, Carol, I'm glad to be here. Thanks, thanks for 95 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 2: doing this well. 96 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: I'm really happy to be one of your you know, 97 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: kind of first interviews lunch launching your show. I think 98 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: that what you're doing is amazing. Do you want to 99 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and how 100 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 3: you got from being a businessman very successful in the 101 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 3: world of finance to giving that up and going into media, 102 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: which US media people think is crazy, but you know, 103 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: we'd love to see it. Tell us all about it. 104 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little bit of a full circle moment 105 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: for me. 106 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 4: So I studied media and broadcasting in college and I've 107 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 4: always been fascinated by that world and how you know, 108 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 4: messages are are not just delivered to the nation or 109 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 4: the world, but also how they're consumed. And over the 110 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 4: last call it fifteen years, which has been a wonderful, enjoyable, 111 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 4: rewarding career in finance for me, I've watched the evolution 112 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 4: of the news and how much it's changed, and this 113 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 4: last election cycle and really the last two years motivated 114 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: me to sort of start thinking about things differently and 115 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 4: see if there was a way that I could contribute 116 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 4: to the conversation in meaningful ways and sort of fight 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: the culture war on behalf of conservatives and elevate some 118 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 4: voices that I think need to be elevated. So that 119 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 4: was sort of sort of what brought me here, and 120 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 4: I'm jumping in full speed with the launch of the show. 121 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: Soon do you have a particular beat on the show. 122 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 4: It's it's really elevating conservative voices. So what I've realized 123 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 4: is that two years ago, conservatives were canceled. If they 124 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 4: came out and we're sort of outed as a conservative, 125 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 4: they were canceled. 126 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: And what's that, I said, pre cancels exactly at it, 127 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: I know. 128 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 4: But I've noticed that over the last year or two 129 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 4: something's changed where conservatives are now celebrated. You could look 130 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 4: at a lot of popular, famous stories, but it seems 131 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 4: like now when the public finds out that someone famous, athlete, entertainer, 132 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: any sort of celebrity with a platform is a conservative, 133 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 4: they're now celebrated. 134 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: It's been good for their brand and it's been rewarding. 135 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 4: But what I've realized is that there aren't many shows 136 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: that are a specific landing place for that. They will 137 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: go on other shows, but my show is going to 138 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 4: invite those voices to come tell their stories, both why 139 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 4: they're conservative and how they are conservative in their day 140 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: to day lives. And the reason it's called We the 141 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: People is because I want to make these people relatable 142 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: to the everyday American sitting on their couch that maybe 143 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 4: it was afraid to put that Trump sign in their yard, 144 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: maybe is afraid to wear the name of their church 145 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: or synagogue on their shirt or put a bumper sticker 146 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: on their car. When they see people with actual platforms 147 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: that they're willing to risk to live out their values, 148 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: it will motivate, hopefully my viewers and my listeners to 149 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 4: do the same. 150 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: Do you feel like you're in that cohort, like you're 151 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: risking something to be out in the conservative world and 152 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: the conservative movement. I mean, you don't have to You 153 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: don't have to do this. 154 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: Why are you no? 155 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: I want to represent my listeners, So I want them 156 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: to when they watch the show feel like they're sitting 157 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 4: on the back porch watching or participating, participating in a 158 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 4: conversation with their friends. And these are conversations that I 159 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 4: have been willing to have with my friends on my 160 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: back porch for years, but not so much publicly. You know, 161 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 4: I've been sort of closeted when it comes to my 162 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 4: social media or just media in general. And I said 163 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 4: no more. I'm tired of it. If I'm not willing 164 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: to do this, I can't, you know, expect others to 165 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 4: do this as well. So it's time for me to 166 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 4: come join the party and leave a what has been 167 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 4: a wonderful career. But I'm willing to put that on 168 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 4: the line and dedicate the next forty years of my 169 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: life to making meaningful progress in the conservative movement. 170 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: What kind of questions are you planning for people who 171 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: are outspoken for the first time, Like are you going 172 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: to push them on anything or is it more like 173 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: just letting them tell their story? 174 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 4: Well, they're definitely going to tell their story, because I 175 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: think everybody, even if we're talking about sort of the 176 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 4: same thing, everybody's story is different. 177 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: For instance, one thing I really. 178 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 4: Want to get into with them is why they've decided 179 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 4: to come out with their values, because a lot of 180 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: the people that are going to be coming on my 181 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: show are going to be newly outed, and it's right 182 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 4: hopefully going to be people that have made an active 183 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: decision to out themselves. And I want to walk through 184 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: sort of what took so long, why weren't you out before? 185 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: And what has changed? Is it this presidency? 186 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 4: Is it presidencies of the past, whether we were four 187 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 4: or against that candidate or not. But then the other 188 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 4: thing I want to do is I want to humanize 189 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 4: these people. I want to actually get into their day 190 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 4: to day lives. We talk a lot about why we 191 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 4: believe things, but can we give real concrete examples of 192 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 4: how we manage smartphones in the home for our children 193 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 4: or how often we attend our church. I actually want 194 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 4: to demonstrate to people this is how they're living their lives, 195 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 4: and I want to walk through very specific circumstances around 196 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: those situations. 197 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: It's interesting that you say, like, why did it take 198 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: them so long because I've had people on the show 199 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: like Drea de Matteo, she was on the Sopranos. You know, 200 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: she was Adriana or Jennifer Say she was an Olympian, 201 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 3: and then she was an executive Levi's, and they didn't 202 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: have to come out and talk about their politics. In fact, 203 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: they could have just either you know, pretended to be 204 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: liberal or just not said anything at all. They could 205 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 3: have just stayed quiet their whole lives. And so it's 206 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 3: kind of I have to say, it's kind of a 207 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 3: mystery to me why people do it. I don't get 208 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: why people take the risk to their livelihoods. Again, I'm 209 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: pre canceled. I'm a lifelong conservative. I'm open and out 210 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: in media. There's no way for me to get you 211 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: know that Genie back in the bottle. But for people 212 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: who don't have to do it, I do wonder why 213 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: they do it? 214 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: Do you, well, Well, so I noticed, well I have. 215 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 4: I have wondered a lot. And when I think, I 216 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 4: think two things have happened. So One, the media has changed, right, 217 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 4: there are now so many more options available for people 218 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 4: to tell their story than there was before. I mean, 219 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 4: if you go back ten years ago, yeah, even five 220 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 4: years ago. I mean there were a few networks where 221 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: that was your only option to go on and they 222 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: weren't going to let you tell a story if it 223 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 4: was courageous or conservative or anything like that. We now, 224 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 4: as you know, Elon Musk was famous for saying when 225 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 4: he bought X, we are the media. 226 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: Now. We now have given control. 227 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 4: We've been given control of the message back to us, 228 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 4: and we can communicate the stories we want to on 229 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: the platforms and to the audiences we want to. 230 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: We can sort of curate the media now. 231 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: So there's that, And then what I think has happened 232 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: is there's sort of two groups that were closeted. 233 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: Right. 234 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 4: There's the person with the platform and then sort of 235 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 4: their fan base. And I've noticed that every time someone 236 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 4: has come out or been outed, it's sort of. 237 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: A compound effect. 238 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 4: Oh she did, she's a conservative too, and so is 239 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: he and the consumer. If we just draw just even 240 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: lines fifty to fifty, let's just say half the country's conservative. 241 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: We can play with those numbers all we want. 242 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: At least half the country is begging to know who 243 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 4: they can support when they stream their song, when they 244 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 4: buy their Jersey. They know that those dollars that they're 245 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: investing in that platform are being recycled back into their 246 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 4: values and not going to some woke nonprofit or Planned 247 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 4: Parenthood or something like that. So I think that these 248 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: people with platforms have realized that, I mean when they're 249 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 4: When a conservative musician gets recognized as a conservative, his 250 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 4: or her song goes to number one. 251 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: Watch what happens with Carrie Underwood. 252 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 4: Now that now that she's come out and said that 253 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: she's going to perform at Trump's inauguration, She's going to 254 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 4: be celebrated. 255 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: She already is. 256 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, is that attributable to the vibe shift? 257 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: And I think there has been a vibe shift, right, 258 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 3: It's gotten cool to support Trump. It's it's different than it. 259 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: Used to be. 260 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: But does that last? Do you think that? I just 261 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: I in my life, I have never seen conservatives kind 262 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: of live openly and be open about their politics. In fact, 263 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 3: when I lived in Brooklyn, how I knew somebody was 264 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: a non leftist was when they didn't talk about their 265 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 3: politics like you're you're with. 266 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: Me, aren't you, Carol. I'm a I'm not a glass 267 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 2: half full guy. 268 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 4: I'm sort of a glasses gushing, an overflowing type guy. 269 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: I'm very optimistic about this. There has been a total 270 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: vibe shift. 271 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 4: It is cool to be a conservative, and I don't 272 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 4: know if it's ever been cool to be a conservative. 273 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 4: It's sort of been, you know, kind of wonky and 274 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 4: policy and all that we've we have, we have turned 275 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 4: the tide in the culture war. And to get back 276 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 4: to the first part of your question, I think that's 277 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 4: what changed. 278 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,119 Speaker 2: I think. I mean, look, I'm not naive. 279 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: Enough to think that we've never been in a culture 280 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 4: war before, but I think that the culture war we've 281 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 4: been in recently has been so amplified by social media 282 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: on the Internet, and so it's been so this culture 283 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 4: war has been so much more in our face that 284 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 4: it finally pissed people off enough to say no more. 285 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 4: Because I'll tell you what, what did it for me? 286 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: Having kids? I sort of, you know, didn't you know? 287 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 4: Social issues were important to me? But you know, now 288 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 4: when I go out into when my kids leave the home, 289 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 4: they go out into society, and I can't raise. 290 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 2: Them when they're at school or at the park or whatever. 291 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 4: So I have to ensure that I'm doing everything I 292 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: can to make society and culture align with my values 293 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 4: so that it has an end a positive influence on 294 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 4: my kids. 295 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 2: Right. 296 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 3: I talk about that a lot on this show, where 297 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: you have to lay the foundations at home, and a 298 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 3: lot of people struggle with that because they just they 299 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 3: think that they're not supposed to brainwash their kids or whatever. 300 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: But if you're not teaching them your values, somebody else 301 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 3: is filling in that conversation. It's not like they're going 302 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: to go and not absorb what's going on out in 303 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: the world. If you're not laying it down at home, 304 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: they're filling it in elsewhere. 305 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: Carol. 306 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 4: If you don't brainwash them, somebody or something else is 307 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: going to brainwash them. There's only one way for information 308 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 4: to get into a head, and it's from the outside. 309 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: And so as a parent, I think it's our highest 310 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 4: responsibility to raise our children appropriately that you know, you 311 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: hope that the parent has the right values, but it's 312 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 4: it's the parent. 313 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: They're the parent. There's a book called Be the Parent, Lead. 314 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: Be the Parent. Yeah, Naomi Schaeffer Riley, she's on the 315 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: show exactly. 316 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 4: And I'm working on an op ed right now about 317 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: all these sort of apps and tools that are giving. 318 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: It's therapy and all that. 319 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 4: I'm all for mental health and improving children's mental health, 320 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 4: but it shouldn't come through a smartphone. It should the 321 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 4: first conversation should come come from the parent. 322 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely. We're going to take a quick break and be 323 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What do you 324 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: worry about? 325 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I sort of already mentioned this. I'm 326 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 4: like this overflowing optimistic type guy. But that can get 327 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 4: you in trouble, so I try not to do it 328 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 4: to a level that you know, I'm sort of I 329 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 4: sort of put blinders onto the forces that are the 330 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: negative forces in the world. We've talked about some of 331 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 4: this stuff already. I mean, I'm very passionate about the 332 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 4: attack on the nuclear family. I think, other than maybe 333 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 4: the church, the family is the most important institution in society. 334 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 4: And if the nuclear family thrives, American culture and American 335 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 4: society will thrive. 336 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: And we've sort of gotten into. 337 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: This abortion glorification, you know, the devaluing of life. I'm 338 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 4: in Florida and we had an amendment on the dock 339 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 4: at this past election, and luckily the Conservatives succeeded, But 340 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: it was just The talk around abortion in this state 341 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: was horrific. Just the way people look at life as 342 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 4: just a light switch just to be able to. 343 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: Flick on or off. That that really worries me. 344 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 4: And you could sort of go back, go through, you know, 345 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 4: all the other things that attack in the nuclear family, 346 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 4: whether it's gender ideology, the fact that men can have 347 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 4: babies now which I don't believe but some people do. 348 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: There's an attack on masculinity. 349 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 4: I'm gonna raise my hand and you know, be risk 350 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 4: the canceling that I talked about and say that we 351 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 4: need strong men in society. There's a role for women 352 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 4: to play, and there's a role for men to play. 353 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 4: And when you when you change the name of the 354 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: Boy Scouts to the Scouts, we remove an awesome what 355 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: used to be an awesome organization that I participated in 356 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 4: growing up, that taught me things that only a man 357 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 4: can teach a man. 358 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: That's that's what I worry about. 359 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 4: That's sort of like existential And then you know, personally, 360 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 4: it gets within some of these things we've already talked about. 361 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: In my home, raising my kids, who I surround them with. 362 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 4: We have our values and I'm trying to implement you know, 363 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 4: Kelly and I, my wife and I talk about certain 364 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 4: values in our home. Courage, hard work, faith in God, humility, 365 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: intellectual curiosity. 366 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: These are things that have to be taught, but not 367 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: only but. 368 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 4: It's our job to teach them and then our job. 369 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: To model them for our kids. 370 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 4: And I worry that, you know, I'm not always the 371 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: best model of those things. And I know that my 372 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 4: kids are watching and if I want them to be 373 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 4: living these values at twenty thirty forty years old, then 374 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 4: now's the time, because because we have a captive audience 375 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 4: with kids in our home right now. And so I 376 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 4: worry about am I doing a good enough job as 377 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 4: a father to model, you know, my example for who 378 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 4: I want my kids to be. 379 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 3: When people are concerned about this as you are, like 380 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 3: let's say the crisis of masculinity, what should they do? 381 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 3: How can they help their kids along with it? When 382 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: society is clearly kind of sending them opposite message that 383 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 3: masculinity is bad or masculinity is something that should be 384 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 3: tamped down. Do you have any kind of advice for people? YEA, 385 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 3: worry about the same things you do. 386 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, give them people to emulate. 387 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 4: Give your kids heroes, Ideally, your mom and your dad 388 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 4: should be your hero. But there are only so many 389 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 4: messages that a kid will take from their mom or 390 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 4: their dad. And there's also only a certain way that 391 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: they'll sort of interpret something from their mom and their 392 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 4: dad when they see it modeled in others hard working women. 393 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: I'm writing. I just wrote an op ed that'll be 394 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: published soon about four women trying. I'm trying. 395 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 4: I'm trying to fight this culture war. It's it's about 396 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 4: for women that you know. I want my daughter to emulate. 397 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: She's ten years old. She always tells me what she 398 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 4: wants to be when she grows up. That's going to change, 399 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 4: you know, what I wanted to be at ten. 400 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: I'm not. 401 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 4: But what what shouldn't change is not what she wants 402 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 4: to do, but how she does it. And so I 403 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 4: think we need to give our kids good examples outside 404 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 4: of the home for them to emulate and model a 405 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 4: good life after. So with men, I mean, it could 406 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 4: be football players, it could be executives, it could be 407 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 4: Jesus Christ in our home. That these are examples of 408 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 4: men to emulate. Masculinity is a good thing. We are 409 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 4: masculine for a reason. Everything has downside you have to 410 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 4: control your masculinity. But there are forces in society that 411 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 4: need good men, just like we need good women, and 412 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 4: so giving our kids and society examples of good men 413 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 4: and good women to model it. 414 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: Were you always this guy like optimistic and like thinking 415 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: things through like this? 416 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 4: I remember the first time I learned the word optimist. 417 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 4: We were driving around and I was a kid, and 418 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: I was talking about something and. 419 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: My dad goes, yeah, you're just like your grandfather. We 420 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: called him G. Paul. He goes, he is an eternal optimist. 421 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: And I said, well, what the hell does that mean? 422 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 4: He goes, He's never had a bad day in his life. Now, 423 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 4: I've had plenty of bad days in my life. 424 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 3: But you don't seem like you've had bad days. You 425 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: seem like you just wake up every day like and 426 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: ready to embrace the day. 427 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 4: Well, attitude's a choice. Attitude is a choice, and there's 428 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 4: tons of books on it. But I just look at 429 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 4: the world and it's certainly our country, and I mean, 430 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 4: what's not to be a I mean, we have we're 431 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: as prosperous as we've ever been. We're living as long 432 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 4: as we've ever lived. If you're a conservative, we have 433 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: the most supreme court, most conservative supreme court we've maybe 434 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 4: ever had. I just find the good in life because 435 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 4: you have a choice every day when you wake up 436 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 4: good and bad, and there's a lot of both out there, 437 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 4: but you focus on what you want to focus on. 438 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: And it's sort of I realize that, you know, happiness, 439 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 4: attitude is contagious. So if I can bring that into 440 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: a room or into a into a building, I feel 441 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 4: other people, you know, feeding off of it, and then 442 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 4: me feeding off of their positive energy. I just I 443 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 4: can't imagine living any other way. 444 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: Right. 445 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 3: I was out with you last night. My positive energy 446 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: was a bit much, and I'm a little bit hurting today. 447 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: I'm not laming you, not blaming you for the you know, 448 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: being old and not being able to have two drinks 449 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: not feeling it the next day. But you absolutely you 450 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: have this thing about you where it's a good time 451 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: wherever Gates are seeing. 452 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: Oh, that's very nice of you to say. 453 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 4: I don't know if my wife agrees with that all 454 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 4: the time, but uh, you know, it takes two to 455 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: bout lets each other out. 456 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: What advice would you give a fifteen year old or 457 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 3: sixteen year old Gates Garcia, like, what would you tell 458 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 3: your teenage self? 459 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 4: So I'm seeing a lot of like a lot of 460 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 4: things we're talking about sort of flow together. I would 461 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: say that you know, what you're doing right now probably 462 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 4: does it matter as much as you think it does, 463 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 4: but how you're doing it does. 464 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: So. 465 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 4: One thing that my parents always impressed upon me growing 466 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 4: up was to do hard things. 467 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 2: We have this funny thing. 468 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 4: I have a brother and a sister, and my brother 469 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 4: and I had to wrestle in high school. 470 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 2: It was non negotiable. Really, yeah, it was non negotiable. 471 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 4: My dad wrestled in college, and he said, the hardest 472 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 4: thing you'll ever do in life physically is wrestle. He said, 473 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 4: wrestle or swim team. I was not a swimmer, and 474 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 4: so he forced us to wrestle. He said, you have 475 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 4: to do it for at least one season if you 476 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 4: hate it, and you never have to do it again. 477 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 4: But you did it for one year, and I'll tell 478 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 4: you that there is nothing more humbling than stepping out 479 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: in tights in front of your whole high school gym 480 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: and getting pinned on your back by another man and 481 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 4: the ref raising his hand in front of all your friends. 482 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 4: I mean, it was that was my first wrestling match, 483 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 4: and it was I had never had a humbling experience 484 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: like that. So I learned a lot through doing hard things. 485 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 4: We always had to have a summer job. I would 486 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 4: tell every fifteen year old and sixteen year old, get 487 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: a summer job. And if you want to motivate and 488 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: me tell them, it's because they're going to make money. 489 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: But what you learn the most. 490 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 4: At that age is how to handle authority, how to 491 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 4: take authority from someone else. 492 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: There's nothing better for a fifteen or sixteen year old 493 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: than a. 494 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 4: Crappy boss, because you're going to have plenty of crappy 495 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: bosses throughout your life. And the younger you can learn that, 496 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 4: the better. So your first one isn't you know, your 497 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: first job out of college. So I would say work, 498 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 4: I would say do hard things. I would just say 499 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 4: start building a value set now in your life that 500 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 4: you can use forever. Because it's one thing to identify 501 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: your values. It's another thing to sort of hone them 502 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 4: and craft them and apply them the more. It's one 503 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 4: thing to say I'm a hard worker. Here's a better example. 504 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: It's one thing to say I have courage. Okay, Well, 505 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 4: It's very easy to say you have courage, It's very 506 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 4: hard to apply courage in the necessary situation. So the 507 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 4: earlier you can identify those values that you want to 508 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 4: live out the rest of your life to do so, 509 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 4: so you can start practicing them and learning how to 510 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 4: apply them more effect. 511 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: I love it. Do you get this message across to 512 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 3: your kids or is it harder when you're talking to 513 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: actual kids versus theoretical yourself? 514 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 2: That well, I. 515 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 4: Mean you asked me about a fifteen or sixteen year old. 516 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 4: My kids are ten, seven and four. I think we 517 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: definitely talk about our values a lot. So we around 518 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 4: the dinner table will say, you know, give me an 519 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 4: example from today of how you were courageous, or what 520 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: was something you did today that was hard, or what 521 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: was what did you do good today? 522 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: Because you need, by the way, you need to celebrate 523 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: the good as well. 524 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 4: But failure and success are all things we talk about 525 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 4: at a ten, seven and four year old level right now, 526 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 4: don't We don't use You're not allowed to use the 527 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 4: word can't. 528 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 2: In our house now they do, they still do, but 529 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: we hate that word. So things like that. 530 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 3: I love that, well. I've loved this conversation leave us 531 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: here with your best gates Garcia tip for my listeners 532 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: on how they can improve their lives. 533 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll just sort of I'll just sort of sort 534 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 4: of And I'm not qualified by the way to give. Well, 535 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 4: I'm a much better receiver of advice than giver. And 536 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 4: so what I like to do is again model after people. 537 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 4: So I'm obsessed with happiness and joy and not just 538 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 4: having it, but studying how you can have more of it, 539 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 4: how you can find it, how you can give it 540 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 4: to others. And I think the best authority on happiness 541 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 4: is probably Arthur Brooks. I've read a lot about everything 542 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 4: he said about happiness, and he he, he talks about 543 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 4: sort of a four legged stool, faith, meaningful relationships, meaningful work, 544 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 4: and family. And so you should be managing those four 545 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 4: things in your life at all four times if you 546 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 4: want to maximize your happiness. Because you can have a 547 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 4: thriving family, you can have a great job, and you 548 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 4: can great friends. But if you don't have faith in God, 549 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 4: then you're missing a key piece there. Or you can 550 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 4: be going to church or synagogue every week and have 551 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 4: a wonderful relationship with God or temple and uh, and and. 552 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 2: Have no friends. 553 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 4: That's not a that's not a way to go through 554 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 4: life joyfully. So I study that a lot. I would 555 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 4: encourage your listeners to, you know, get their nose in 556 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 4: a book and study happiness and then go study, go, 557 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 4: go actually apply it and try to have more happiness 558 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 4: in their life, because happiness is contagious. In the conservative 559 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: the conservative movement could use more happiness. There's that old saying. 560 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: I'm a conservative. I'm just not angry about it. 561 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: We need we need more of that. And so, uh, 562 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: I'm all about that. 563 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: I love it. He is Gates Garcia his news show 564 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: has called me the people. Check it out. He's fantastic. 565 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: Thanks so much Gates for coming on. 566 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Carol, thanks so much for joining 567 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: us and the Carol Marco would show. Subscribe wherever you 568 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: get your podcasts.