WEBVTT - Biden’s Pandemic Response Overhaul

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Prognosis. I'm Laura Carlson. It's day two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty three since coronavirus was declared a global pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's main story. One of Joe Biden's first acts as

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<v Speaker 1>president elect was to announce a COVID nineteen advisory Board,

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<v Speaker 1>putting the fight against the pandemic front and center in

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<v Speaker 1>his presidential plans. Today, a member of that advisory board

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<v Speaker 1>talks to us about how a Biden White House plans

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<v Speaker 1>to overhaul the government's coronavirus response. But first, here's what

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<v Speaker 1>happened in virus news today. The UK became the first

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<v Speaker 1>Western country to approve a fully vetted COVID nineteen vaccine.

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<v Speaker 1>The region's regulator cleared FIGHTSER and bio En text shot

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<v Speaker 1>this week, sooner than the US and the European Union.

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<v Speaker 1>The emergency authorization clears the way for the deployment of

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<v Speaker 1>a vaccine that Fightser and its German partner have said

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<v Speaker 1>iscent effective in preventing illness. The shot will be available

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<v Speaker 1>in Britain starting next week. INTERPOL issued a global warning

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<v Speaker 1>to law enforcement that organized crime will target COVID nineteen vaccines.

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<v Speaker 1>The International Crime Fighting organizations that authority should expect an

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<v Speaker 1>onslaught of all types of criminal activity linked to the shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Interpol said some criminals have already begun advertising, selling and

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<v Speaker 1>administering fake vaccines. They added that ensuring the safety of

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<v Speaker 1>the supply chain and identifying illicit websites offering fake products

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<v Speaker 1>will essential. Finally, the World Health Organization has updated its

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<v Speaker 1>guidance on wearing masks. People should wear masks indoors and

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<v Speaker 1>outdoors where physical distancing of at least one meter can't

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<v Speaker 1>be maintained. The organization said that's especially true in areas

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<v Speaker 1>with community or cluster transmission. At home, people should wear

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<v Speaker 1>a mask when receiving visitors in case of crowding or

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<v Speaker 1>poor ventilation. The WHO recommended against wearing a mask during

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<v Speaker 1>vigorous workouts, as well as against the use of valved masks.

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<v Speaker 1>Face shields provide a level of eye protection only in

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<v Speaker 1>our inferior to masks when it comes to droplet transmission

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<v Speaker 1>and prevention. And now for today's main story, Tackling the

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<v Speaker 1>surging Corona virus outbreak in the US is priority number

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<v Speaker 1>one for President elect Joe Biden and Vice President elect

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris. Last month, by named a thirteen member team

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<v Speaker 1>of doctors and scientists who will advise the new administration

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<v Speaker 1>in responding to the pandemic. Dr Selene Gownder, an infectious

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<v Speaker 1>disease physician and epidemialogist, is one of those doctors. Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>Gospore spoke with Dr Gownder about the makeup of this

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<v Speaker 1>COVID nineteen Advisory Board and how a Biden White House

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<v Speaker 1>will approach the pandemic very differently from the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the difference between the advisory board that you

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<v Speaker 1>sit on and the Coronavirus Task Force team? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>a difference between those two designations. Yeah, So it's really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting you ask that, because I actually had to ask

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<v Speaker 1>for some clarification around some of this language myself. So

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<v Speaker 1>you have the current White House Coronavirus Task Force, which

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<v Speaker 1>has led by Vice President Mike Pence. We're all familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with many of the members, which include Dr Deborah Brooks,

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Tony Faucci, Dr Robert Redfield, Dr Jerome Adams, and others.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the current administration task force. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>have the Biden Harris Transition Team, which has actually been

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<v Speaker 1>working on these issues for months now, even before the election.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have to really develop your policy and

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<v Speaker 1>plans well in advance so that you are ready if

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<v Speaker 1>you are elected. And so there's a very deep bench

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<v Speaker 1>of scientists and doctors and public health and policy experts

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<v Speaker 1>who have been working on these issues for months, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the transition team. Then you have the Advisory Board,

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<v Speaker 1>which was recently named, which I suppose you could say

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the counterpart to the task force. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think part of the reason for calling it the Advisory

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<v Speaker 1>Board is that our job really is to provide advice

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<v Speaker 1>to the Biden Harrassed transition team and to the President

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<v Speaker 1>elect and vice president elect, and to function as sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a second set of eyes on the plans that

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<v Speaker 1>the transition team has been developing, to be thinking creatively,

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<v Speaker 1>to be thinking big and providing our feedback, and then

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<v Speaker 1>also to function as something of a liaison between the

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<v Speaker 1>transition team and the public that could be in the

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<v Speaker 1>form of interviews like this, and then also to help

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<v Speaker 1>liaise if we're asked. And then there's a need to

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<v Speaker 1>liaise with state and local officials, including governors and public

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<v Speaker 1>health officials, as well as with the private sector. So

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<v Speaker 1>that could be with the vaccine companies or with the

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<v Speaker 1>retail pharmacy chains who are going to be really important

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<v Speaker 1>with distribution of vaccines. So we function as sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a layer on top of the transition team. You could say,

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<v Speaker 1>what role will the CDC and the World Health Organization

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<v Speaker 1>play in this task force? You're going to see the

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<v Speaker 1>establishment of a new task force under the new administration,

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<v Speaker 1>and there will no doubt be representation from the CDC,

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<v Speaker 1>including whoever is the the director of the CDC at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. We are planning to re establish normal relations

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<v Speaker 1>with the World Health Organization. That's you know, really a

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<v Speaker 1>return to normalcy. They will not be on the task

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<v Speaker 1>force per se. They are not now, but you will

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<v Speaker 1>see a normalization of relationship with the World Health Organization

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward. What will be considered an essential service once

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<v Speaker 1>Biden is in office in January. I think the way

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<v Speaker 1>to think about what is a frontline or essential worker is,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, what are jobs that can only be

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<v Speaker 1>done in person? And what are services we really cannot

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<v Speaker 1>live without? So we can't live without food, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>live with our prescription medicines, and you know, some basic

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<v Speaker 1>hygienic supplies and schools really are important, not just for

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<v Speaker 1>the education in an academic way, but also for the

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<v Speaker 1>social and emotional supports that they provide, the social work

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<v Speaker 1>supports that they provide, and schools are also a really

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<v Speaker 1>important provider of food to kids. Unfortunately, many children in

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<v Speaker 1>this country live in poverty, and so that is an

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<v Speaker 1>essential service that schools are also providing. I found a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of of the interviews that you've done, um, the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you've said around how the task Force is

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<v Speaker 1>going to help communities that are unequipped to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>outbreaks very fascinating, specifically with Indigenous populations and Rule populations,

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<v Speaker 1>and so wanting to to pick your brain a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit here about how the task Force is planning to

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<v Speaker 1>help those communities, in particular Rule and Indigenous populations. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that has to start with how you collect

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<v Speaker 1>your data, because you can't address disparity without knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a disparity, the nature of the disparity, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>One common problem with indigenous populations is that they're often

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<v Speaker 1>misclassified in terms of their race and ethnicity. This is

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<v Speaker 1>something as somebody who's a brown person I have experienced myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not indigenous, but I am a I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>could say, non specific looking brown person, and in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>that means you generally get classified as Hispanic. My dermatologist

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<v Speaker 1>here in New York City classified me as Hispanic, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am not Hispanic in the medical record. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the problem with that is if an indigenous person gets misclassified,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not actually able to properly assess and study what

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<v Speaker 1>the risks and outcomes and so on are in that population.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a really important starting point, is just getting

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<v Speaker 1>the data right. You know, another issue that we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>with communities of color, and this is really throughout the country,

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<v Speaker 1>including in urban areas as well. We've seen fewer number

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<v Speaker 1>of coronavirus testing sites in poorer communities of color than

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<v Speaker 1>in wider, wealthier communities, which means that it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>easier to get tested if you live in a white,

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy community then in a community of color. The lines

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<v Speaker 1>have been longer at testing facilities and communities of color.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're being paid by the hour on your

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<v Speaker 1>your job, if you're a wage worker, that means every minute,

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<v Speaker 1>every hour that you're standing in line is also income lost.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, this is something that really does need

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<v Speaker 1>to be addressed. We need to be decentralizing as much

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<v Speaker 1>as possible some of these services, especially to communities that

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<v Speaker 1>are underserved, whether that's a community of color in urban

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<v Speaker 1>areas or out to rural areas. Will there be an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for free testing once Biden gets into office. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think free testing free vaccination are both very high priorities.

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<v Speaker 1>The current administration had promised free testing and access to

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<v Speaker 1>testing to every American who wanted testing, and that simply

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<v Speaker 1>has not been the case because it's not just the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of the test, it's also the cost of everything

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<v Speaker 1>that goes into providing somebody with a test. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the collection of the specimen, the swabs, the nurse time,

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor's office visit, or hospital visit, and so a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people got surprise bills for their coronavirus tests

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of that, and that is something we

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<v Speaker 1>really want to make sure does not happen. That all

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<v Speaker 1>of those costs are covered, whether that's for a test

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<v Speaker 1>or for a vaccination. And so my final question is

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<v Speaker 1>around mandatory mask squaring. How will the Task Force implement

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<v Speaker 1>mandatory mask wearing? It is this is something that's still

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<v Speaker 1>being discussed. Yeah, I think there is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with the states, with the governors around MASK mandates

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<v Speaker 1>at the state level. But I think big picture, the

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<v Speaker 1>most important thing is to try to get people to

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<v Speaker 1>do the right thing on their own. I think people,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the United States, really don't like to be

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<v Speaker 1>told what to do, and that's the honest Enforcement of

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<v Speaker 1>a mandate is going to be a challenge, and so

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<v Speaker 1>to really have people understand, look, mass or effective, they're cheap,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't shut down the economy. If what you care

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<v Speaker 1>about is keeping the economy open, this is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most important things you can do right now. Not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention that it will save many lives. This is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the politicization of mass is like politicizing toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 1>You know this idea that based on your political party,

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<v Speaker 1>you would or would not use toilet paper. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a basic hygienic measure. And so we just

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<v Speaker 1>need to to reframe our thinking about it and understand that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, big picture, this is not a hugely burdensome

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<v Speaker 1>thing that can have tremendous impact. How would you get

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<v Speaker 1>someone in these these communities too that are refusing to

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<v Speaker 1>wear masks? I mean, would you need to implement a

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<v Speaker 1>fine or some sort of punishment. I mean the the

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<v Speaker 1>challenges of course enforcement again, and that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to have local law enforcement agreeing to work with

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<v Speaker 1>you on that. I'm not sure that local law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>would work with you on that. So in general, I

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<v Speaker 1>prefer the carrot versus the stick approach. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>makes behaviors stickier and more acceptable. And I think the

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things I would suggest in terms of how

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve behavior change, The fact is, if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the most recent surveys, over nine of Americans are

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<v Speaker 1>now wearing masks. They may not be doing it perfectly,

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<v Speaker 1>they may not be doing it all the time, but

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<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of Americans are doing this, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>really small pockets a very strong resistance to this where

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<v Speaker 1>you're not seeing that. And so I think one to

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<v Speaker 1>say this is becoming a social norm. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>helpful people tend to behave based on what is the

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<v Speaker 1>behavior around them. I think another thing you can do

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<v Speaker 1>is in a more personal situation, like say you're in

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<v Speaker 1>line at the grocery checkout and somebody is not wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a mask. I think it would be helpful for all

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<v Speaker 1>of us to have mass on us extra ones, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe you reach out to them and you say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the here's you know, you seem like a carrying

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<v Speaker 1>kind in person. Would you be willing to wear this

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<v Speaker 1>mask to protect me? Because what you're doing there is

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<v Speaker 1>you're framing, you're labeling them as a something positive, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you're giving them the opportunity to live up to

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<v Speaker 1>that and reinforce that positive label. So I think that's also,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, depending on the situation, something else you can try.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally, I think we need to be reaching

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<v Speaker 1>out to local leaders, community leaders in these pockets of resistance,

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<v Speaker 1>and they should really be the ones leading the charge

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<v Speaker 1>on this. And so you really need to be working

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<v Speaker 1>in collaboration with people from the community, identifying those who

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<v Speaker 1>might be at least somewhat sympathetic, educating them, providing them

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<v Speaker 1>with the science, empowering them to be the leader on

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<v Speaker 1>this issue in their community, and then let them really

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<v Speaker 1>run with it because they're the ones that are more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be trusted on this. That was Jordan Gaspoure

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<v Speaker 1>in conversation with Dr Selene Gownder, and that's it for

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<v Speaker 1>foreheads Jordan Gaspoore, Magnus Henriksen, and me Laura Carlson. Today's

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<v Speaker 1>main story was reported by Jordan Gaspore. Original music by

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<v Speaker 1>Leo Sidran. Our editors are Rick Shine and Francesca Levi.

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<v Speaker 1>Francesco Levi is Bloomberg's head of podcasts. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Let