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Speaker 1: What is happening to Everybody? John Middlecoff three and out podcast.

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Speaker 1: How are we doing? It? Is Thursday. I'm about to

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Speaker 1: Where do I want to start? I obviously spend a

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Speaker 1: just I don't really see it. Not that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the physical capabilities, but they're just kind of turned

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Speaker 1: off by different things. And that's part of the scouting community.

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Speaker 1: You want to have different opinions. Not everyone should be

433
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Speaker 1: thinking the same thing. People should have different views on

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Speaker 1: different players, you know. And it's why this quarterback talked

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Speaker 1: to a guy last night that does the SEC. He's like,

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Speaker 1: I would not want to have to take Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Maybe Jade Daniels becomes a really good player,

438
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Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't. Right, these are very very risky situations.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people just trake may. They kind of

440
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Speaker 1: throw their arms up. So when you really start talking

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Speaker 1: to the scouting community, this is where I talk about

442
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Speaker 1: the difference between the hype machine, which is I guess

443
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Speaker 1: all of us and in the league, because the hype

444
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: machine on guys just grows and grows and grows and grows.

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Speaker 1: Like I'd say, the one thing that's pretty consensus, people

446
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Speaker 1: think that the three wide receivers, the LSU guy, obviously,

447
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: Harrison and Roman dudes a really good players. You're not

448
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Speaker 1: going to meet many people like, oh, those wide receivers.

449
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Speaker 1: I don't see it. That's pretty consistent. But I think

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Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks, I think Sean Payton had a quote,

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Speaker 1: it's like, we feel pretty good in our ability to evaluate,

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Speaker 1: and we also feel pretty good about other teams' ability

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Speaker 1: not to evaluate. And that's a point of difference. I

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Speaker 1: might have screwed up the quote a little bit, but

455
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Speaker 1: and he's right, right, A lot of people saw Patrick

456
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Speaker 1: Mahomes and didn't see that good of a player, right,

457
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Speaker 1: and a couple teams did. The Chiefs loved him, John

458
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Speaker 1: Payton loved him, just like several years ago. You know

459
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Speaker 1: who loved Josh Allen. Obviously the Bills did. They traded

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Speaker 1: up to get him, John Schneider. John Schneider wanted to

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Speaker 1: get rid of Russell Wilson in whatever year that was eighteen.

462
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Speaker 1: In draft Josh Allen, there were a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in the NFL like, he sucks, he's never gonna play,

464
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Speaker 1: he's awful. So it's all in the eye of the beholder,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna be right, you're gonna be wrong. Now

466
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the quarterback, you know, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the Bears taking Caleb, which I think everyone

468
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Speaker 1: believes is one hundred percent gonna happen, whoever Washington ends

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Speaker 1: up taking, and then how those other quarterbacks go from

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Speaker 1: then on out. Not all those guys are gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: And when you miss on a quarterback. Most times you

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Speaker 1: don't just kind of run into brock Purty. It usually

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Speaker 1: kind of derails you. Or even the look the Jets

474
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Speaker 1: thought they had a lifeline, right, they thought they traded

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Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, and then five plays into the season

476
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Speaker 1: he tears his achilles. So even when you know you

477
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Speaker 1: screw up and you make a decision like that, there's

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Speaker 1: no there's no sure things really in life, but definitely

479
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Speaker 1: in football, because there's no sport that quite has the

480
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Speaker 1: injury variants. At any moment, it can happen to any player,

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Speaker 1: whether it be a physical interaction like a tackle, or

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Speaker 1: just be a non contact injury. I mean, how we

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Speaker 1: saw one of the Niners better defensive players tear his

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Speaker 1: achilles running out to the huddle. I was I asked

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, I'm like, have you ever seen that? And

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Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I think he thought it happened to

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Speaker 1: one of his guys in like his first season in Philly,

488
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Speaker 1: in a similar situation. And it might have been in

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Speaker 1: a practice, or it might have been in like a

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Speaker 1: preseason game where a guy was running out he just

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Speaker 1: went down and he was out for the year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it just happens like no one fucking touched him. Think

493
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Speaker 1: about that could happen to any guy you're all pro

494
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Speaker 1: player or just like your random special teamer. And that's

495
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Speaker 1: what makes this league, I think, so intriguing, is there's

496
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Speaker 1: just so many variables that there really are. And yeah,

497
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Speaker 1: and like I said, I'm very very I'm not that

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Speaker 1: religious of a guy. So when I say this, I

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Speaker 1: do believe, you know, I'm very blessed in the sense

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Speaker 1: that my experience in Philadelphia allowed me to be able

501
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Speaker 1: to meet so many people in the NFL that I

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Speaker 1: would not have been able to meet if I would

503
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Speaker 1: have been another team, starting with the head coach and

504
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Speaker 1: the general manager who how he won a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: with Doug Peterson and he's obviously won three. But the

506
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Speaker 1: amount of other people, the amount of people that even

507
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Speaker 1: though I didn't work for, that have come through there

508
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Speaker 1: and were connected. I didn't work with Jason light, but

509
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Speaker 1: I know him through a lot of mutual people. Some

510
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Speaker 1: guys that I worked with with the Philly because he

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Speaker 1: worked in Philly before I got there, now work with him,

512
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Speaker 1: and that there is just such a connection that I

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Speaker 1: this is why whenever I try to give people advice,

514
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Speaker 1: I made a combined one hundred and twenty that excuse me,

515
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Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars. I think my three

516
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Speaker 1: years working in the NFL like twenty five, forty five

517
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Speaker 1: and fifty five or something, and the money was completely

518
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Speaker 1: irrelevant the experiences and the ability of people I know

519
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Speaker 1: and able to text for this job. I would have

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Speaker 1: paid that amount of money now looking back, and it

521
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Speaker 1: never even crossed my mind. I wasn't making that. I

522
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Speaker 1: didn't even care. It didn't matter now. I didn't have

523
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Speaker 1: a family or anything. But like that experience and those

524
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Speaker 1: people that I was, you know, lucky enough to work

525
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Speaker 1: around and get to know and call friends and be

526
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Speaker 1: able to communicate with phone text change my life. It

527
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Speaker 1: really did. Because I can, I can come to a

528
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Speaker 1: combine like I don't work in the NFL anymore. I

529
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Speaker 1: haven't worked in the NFL a long time. I just

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people from my short experience through

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Speaker 1: that and then even through this, like I'm walking around,

532
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Speaker 1: I meet Kevin Stefanski. A couple guys in the Eagles

533
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Speaker 1: know him really well, so I dropped their name. We

534
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: start bullshitting for like five minutes. It's got to introduce

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Speaker 1: to Jonathan Ganna. I'm like, hey, Jonathan, fucking let's play

536
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: some golf. So I love to I guess it's a

537
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Speaker 1: bit golfer lives probably fifteen twenty minutes away from me.

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Speaker 1: Because the guys with the Eagles love Jonathan Gannon. I

539
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Speaker 1: mean they love him. I would say every single guy

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Speaker 1: I know on that staff, the way they speak about

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Gannon, it just couldn't get any higher. And I

542
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: could see I saw him interacting with one of the

543
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: guys I just had lunch with these All these guys

544
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: are really really impressive, and the league is clearly full

545
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Speaker 1: of young like guys in their forties being head coaches,

546
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Speaker 1: you understand it like these is a pretty high level group.

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Speaker 1: He did a pretty good job at the end of

548
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Speaker 1: the year, so had a really good time. There's nothing

549
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: quite like this event. I said it. I think I

550
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: tweeted it out a couple of days ago. Everyone's in

551
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: a good mood. Whether you're Jonathan Gannon you're drafting fourth,

552
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: or whether you're Andy Read and you just won the

553
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, whether you work you know, with the Steelers

554
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: and you got knocked out in the first round, or

555
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott with the billing. Everyone is just spiritual high

556
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: people are feeling good. It's it's a very very loose

557
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: in environment. This is there's just nothing quite like it

558
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Speaker 1: that there really isn't. Everyone's interacting. You have the media, reporters,

559
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: the coaches, the gymp they're all staying at the same hotels.

560
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: Like everyone's around each other. You just turn around, there's

561
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Speaker 1: just people talking with each other. There's no I would say,

562
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Speaker 1: it's not a very secretive people just you can just

563
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Speaker 1: walk by. If you're just kind of listening and you're like,

564
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Speaker 1: I want that guy talking about what's Mike mcganniel talking

565
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: to that dude about. You just kind of hear things.

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Speaker 1: It's it's crazy, it really is. And if you if

567
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Speaker 1: you love football like I love football, it's there's like

568
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Speaker 1: a there's kind of a fan element to it. It's like, God, damn,

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Speaker 1: this is. This is pretty sweet. But in a weird way,

570
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Speaker 1: you're kind of numb to it. But I try not

571
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Speaker 1: to be too numb because I think it's it's pretty special.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad we got to come here. I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: I just this is a no brainer for me. I

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Speaker 1: realized probably a month ago.

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Speaker 5: I gotta come.

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Speaker 1: Definitely glad I did, and we'll hit the home stretch

577
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Speaker 1: here as we get ready for free agency. Let's dive

578
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Speaker 1: into current Tampa Bay Buccaneers general manager, fresh off a

579
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Speaker 1: great season, won a playoff game and Super Bowl champion

580
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Speaker 1: with Tom Brady. Jason Light here from the combine, and

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Speaker 1: I happen to run into a super Bowl champion and

582
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Speaker 1: a playoff winner this year. Hell of a season. Idiots

583
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Speaker 1: like me thought they were not going to be very good,

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Speaker 1: and they shut us up quick when the seat before

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Speaker 1: the season though, as the season went on, GM of

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jason Light, what's going on that

587
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Speaker 1: you're having me? How you doing?

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Speaker 3: Doing pretty good? Doing pretty good? What's this time of

589
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Speaker 3: year like for you? It's busy? Yeah, yeah, a lot

590
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Speaker 3: of people are busy signing our own free agents, getting

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Speaker 3: ready for free agency, getting ready for the draft.

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Speaker 5: It's our busy time.

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Speaker 1: You were telling me before we hopped on that you've

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Speaker 1: been to one was canceled, so if we count that

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Speaker 1: one thirty combine, you've been a GM now ten years.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel when you come to these Are you

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Speaker 1: pretty comfortable?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: What has to happen? Or is it like the meetings

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Speaker 1: you have obviously your quarterback, wide receiver. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: a pretty big name, guys, a potential franchise tag, A

602
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: lot of moving parts. Does it change year to years?

603
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Speaker 1: Is always kind of feel the same coming to combine.

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Speaker 3: Well, the things you have to accomplish change year to year,

605
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Speaker 3: but it's all kind of the same. It's, you know,

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Speaker 3: everything's kind of comes to a head at once here

607
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Speaker 3: and then then we leave and then actually do the

608
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Speaker 3: free agency or signing our players and then still get

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Speaker 3: ready for the draft, and it's it's it's just a

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Speaker 3: it's a cyclical industry.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this season. Obviously, the Baker Mayfield situation

612
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: was pretty cool, right he last year got his chance

613
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: in LA won that game on that Thursday night was

614
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: a pretty big eye opener. And for you guys, not

615
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: just as play, but I think the maturity the leadership

616
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: was from the outside, I mean, you were living it

617
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: seemed like a pretty awesome I don't even want to

618
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Speaker 1: call it career resurrection, but just stamping like, guys, I

619
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Speaker 1: can play a little bit in this league.

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Speaker 3: It was a little bit for him and for the

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Speaker 3: you know, he was the perfect quarterback for us. Well,

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Speaker 3: not easy to replace Tom. Not easy to replace. It's irreplaceable.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna get Tom Brady. But it was for

624
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Speaker 3: the situation we were in. He was the perfect quarterback

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Speaker 3: for us. We were the perfect team for him. Our

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00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: team had a chip on its shoulder. We still had

627
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Speaker 3: a lot of good players on it, and everybody was

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Speaker 3: counting us out, including you, and I wasn't alone, and

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Speaker 3: I know you were not alone. And we have a

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Speaker 3: quarterback that has a big chip on his shoulder that

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Speaker 3: wants to prove everybody.

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Speaker 5: So it was a perfect marriage and we hope it continues.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've drafted a lot of impact players a

634
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: ton of different positions, but that position, you know, if

635
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: Baker hadn't played as well, you would have been in trouble. Right,

636
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Speaker 1: So you can have fifteen Vitaveas and Tristan Wurf's, but

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Speaker 1: if you have a problem at that position, were you

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Speaker 1: confident going into the season, I mean there was a

639
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: quarterback competition right in training camp or is it one

640
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Speaker 1: of those things where you pleasantly surprised how well because

641
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Speaker 1: obviously he played well before in his career. Is the

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Speaker 1: number one overall pick, so It's not like an out

643
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Speaker 1: of nowhere situation.

644
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 5: Right, there was a high ceiling there. Ye, No, I was,

645
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: I was.

646
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Speaker 3: It was we knew that he had it in him.

647
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: So but I'll say that I was pleasantly surprised with

648
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: the competition that showed what Kyle was. And Kyle actually

649
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: Trask played very very well in the preseason and he

650
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: showed us some things that were reminded us why we

651
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: took him in the second round. So I'm not who

652
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: knows what the season, how the season would have went

653
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Speaker 3: with Kyle. I'm glad it worked out the way he

654
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: did because we want Baker to be our quarterback moving forward.

655
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Speaker 3: But Kyle did some things that really it was that

656
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: was that was one of the most pleasant things that

657
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Speaker 3: happened during the preseason.

658
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Speaker 1: I felt, well's talk about that. Obviously, you're famous for

659
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: signing Tom Brady that one kind of worked out. Is

660
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Speaker 1: this going to be a complicated I mean quarterback deals

661
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: typically are you know he was relatively cheap for not

662
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: civil million standards, but for quarterback standards last year GM standards.

663
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: This situation, now, how do you approach it? The constant dialogue,

664
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been on your team for a while now,

665
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: so you know him and his agent. But does it

666
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Speaker 1: start from scratch?

667
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 3: Now?

668
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: How does that work out.

669
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Speaker 3: For We've already had some conversations, so I'm sure we'll

670
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: have to continue to have conversations and try to find

671
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: middle ground if we can. You know, I'm confident that

672
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: we'll continue to work on it. So feel good. What

673
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: makes me feel good is I know he wants to

674
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Speaker 3: be abuf. I know we want him to be above.

675
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Speaker 3: So usually there's somewhere something can be worked out in there.

676
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Speaker 1: You know, one thing I always find fascinating is some

677
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: gms now have that number background or law background. When

678
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: you have a scouting background, how do you learn to

679
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: negotiate right because you become the I guess you do

680
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. When you're like the second in command,

681
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: you deal with it. But when you're the boss, I mean,

682
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: you're the decision maker. How do you learn when it's

683
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: like too much hang up or you know, kind of

684
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: to play it and when to kind of play all

685
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: your cards? Is that a learned experience? It is?

686
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Speaker 3: But you know, I have fantastic people working for me.

687
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: As a cap guy who's been with you for a while.

688
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: Mike Greenberg got Jackie Davidson and they do a fantastic job.

689
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: So they do most of the of the groundwork, most

690
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: of the leg work. They asked me to come in

691
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: at the end if it's you know, we have to.

692
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Speaker 3: I don't want to say I'm the closer, but you're

693
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: the gm so, but just having those they do most

694
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: of the work when it comes to those things.

695
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Speaker 1: So when it comes to you know, all the paragraph

696
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: five and the different numbers, you're very dependent on that guy.

697
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: Like you are here at the combine for medical right,

698
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: you can't say, hey, this is generate neat. You are

699
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: on the doctor.

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00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: I know just enough to be dangerous, but I have

701
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: but you know, I rely on them, just like I

702
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 3: rely on John Spytek and Mike bial and Rob McCartney

703
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: in my scouting department.

704
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Speaker 5: To do a great job, which they have.

705
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Speaker 1: So it's fair to say when you're negotiating some of

706
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: this information, you know it's it's based on the tape

707
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: and based on your gut feel, but also when it

708
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: comes to the numbers, it's based on the rest of

709
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Speaker 1: the league.

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Speaker 4: Ian.

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Speaker 1: It's a complicated process.

712
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: It's an complicated part process coming up with the market,

713
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: what the market is.

714
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about your wide receiver, who was

715
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: incredible this year and he's one of I mean, honestly

716
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: one of the great players of his generation, Mike Evans.

717
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: A lot of different reports flying out there. What are

718
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Mike and where it stands right now?

719
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: We've been, we've been in good faith negotiations for a

720
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: while now and will continue to do that this week

721
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Speaker 3: and next week. And I'm you know, hoping, just like

722
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: our fan base, that he stays with us, and you know,

723
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Speaker 3: I know it's got to be a good deal for

724
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: both ends. So you know, he's he's a beloved player

725
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: and he's one of the best all time.

726
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: You know that run you guys went on with Tom

727
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: it kind of showed this year the culture of those

728
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: guys know how to win, and you guys gotten some

729
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: tough games and just obviously the playoff game, I mean

730
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: kind of kick some serious ass. Let's let's call it

731
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: what it is. But those guys have been through the ringer,

732
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: right and everyone watching them for three years, playing in

733
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, playing in big playoff games. How much

734
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: do you think that helped this year with your core

735
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: guys of just feeling that that helped a lot.

736
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Speaker 3: We've talked about this in the past, the Brady effect,

737
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: and I even talked about it when we signed Tom originally,

738
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Speaker 3: that this is not just something here for the next

739
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: three years. This is something that's going to carry on

740
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: with these young players for a long time. He shows us,

741
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: he's showing them what it takes to win, and we

742
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: still see that.

743
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there anything you take away. Obviously you'd been

744
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: around Tom when you were younger with the Patriots, but

745
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: seeing him, you know, forty two, forty three, forty four

746
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: years old, that you were just like, I can't believe this,

747
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: maybe not even a throw or anything, but just something intangible,

748
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: just how.

749
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Speaker 5: Hard he works. It just it's just how focused he is.

750
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Speaker 3: And you know everybody talks about it, but when you

751
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: see it firsthand, I mean, this guy is just all

752
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: When he was playing, it's just all about getting any

753
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: advantage he can on his opponent.

754
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: So, yeah, when you guys, this year, you lose a

755
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: coordinator to become a head coach, which is a good thing.

756
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you want as as an organization.

757
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: How then involved or you when it comes to replacing

758
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. Working with Todd Bowles. Do you guys

759
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: have a list you keep lists, you know on coaches

760
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: like that to help him out because he's so you know,

761
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: coach so week to week in the NFL season.

762
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he keeps less. I keep list with my group

763
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: and we kind of compare him. We brought several people in.

764
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: UH.

765
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 5: I spent time with him.

766
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: Todd spent the majority of the time with him, but

767
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: I would spend an hour an hour and a half

768
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Speaker 3: with him as well, and then Todd would just he

769
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: and I would discuss and he would kind of.

770
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: Relied on me to help him through the process.

771
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: But I want him to make the higher So but

772
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: just one thing I love about Todd is he he

773
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 3: likes to work together and and and have.

774
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Speaker 5: That you know, that union with the with the GM.

775
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: You hire Liam Cohen, who when I think of him,

776
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: I think of a Shanahan offensive guy. Is that fair

777
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: to say?

778
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 5: Yeah?

779
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: Is that something you were specifically looking for the McVeigh

780
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: Shanahan kind of some of those offensive concepts or was

781
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: you go into a cut pretty wide open?

782
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't specific, But you know, it helps because that's

783
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: the system that we have, so it's going to make

784
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: it look a little bit easier to you know, in

785
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: the process of changing coaches to have the same terminology

786
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: and a similar terminology.

787
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: For all of our players.

788
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: I don't care who what offense you run, you need

789
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: good players. But why do you think that offense is

790
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: so player friendly?

791
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 3: That's a good question, I think. I think one of

792
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 3: the things it is that it takes the tough a

793
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: lot of the tough decisions away from the quarterback, so

794
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: you're not depending on the quarterback to make a lot

795
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: of those tough decisions.

796
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 5: It's quarterback friendly. Yeah.

797
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: And defensively, now you've worked with Bulls for a while,

798
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: you got you got to have a pretty good feel

799
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: in your scouting staff specifically what he likes on defense.

800
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 3: We know he likes the blips, so guys that can run.

801
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: Is that fair to say, guys that can run? But

802
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 3: I mean he makes it easy in one regard. He

803
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: just likes good players. I mean, normally he would like

804
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: big players on the front, but you know, he was

805
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: a big fan.

806
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 5: Of Elijah, so he likes good players.

807
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that jumped out when

808
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: we were talking to Liam is players overplays. So it's

809
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: that's a big philosophy of his so you know he's

810
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 3: going to change things to adapt to the players.

811
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Speaker 5: It's not about the scheme.

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00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: We'll get you out of here on this. Obviously. You

813
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: know you have Bruce, who you know, an all time

814
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: personality and a great coach. So whenever you have a

815
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Speaker 1: transition to Todd, even when you know a guy, when

816
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: he becomes a head coach, that relationship is different for you.

817
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: Explain how that has gone and how that has grown

818
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: over the course of your guys working together in this capacity.

819
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's like it's a different that. Like you said,

820
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: it's a different relationship. Todd and I have known each

821
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: other for a long time, but then when you have

822
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: to talk to him every day, I mean, I may

823
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: he may have liked me then, but now it's like, oh,

824
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: he's hitting me up with this again again. No, but

825
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: over time he and I have grown a lot closer

826
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: and we can read each other's minds. Now finish these

827
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: other sentences. That whole thing, it's we just we just

828
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: have a we have a great we have a great

829
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: working relationship.

830
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Speaker 1: Cal I want to end on this actually because obviously, Bruce,

831
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure you felt comfortable to get into an argument

832
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: over a player or whatever. It's easy personality to do

833
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: that with. Todd's personality is a little bit different from Bruce's,

834
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: at least on the apt I've been around it when

835
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: I was in Philly. Do you get more comfortable when

836
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: you have disagreement? And I would imagine usually on players,

837
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, do we hate each other now?

838
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: But that's just healthy in the in the business. It's

839
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: part of just not always going to see ey to eye.

840
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

841
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: No, I find that with Todd. He and I have

842
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: these healthy arguments and we do them at night, and

843
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: then we the next day when we see each other,

844
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 3: then we'll see how each other feel. Sometimes I'll change,

845
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: sometimes he'll change and say, you're right, so both it's

846
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 3: about fifty to fifty. So who's the number one player

847
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: in the draft board?

848
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: Nice? Try take an the jacent banks man? Okay? Here

849
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: with I would say one of the uh, the founding fathers.

850
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: Maybe that's too bold of at least the popularity of

851
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: fantasy football. Like many people, I'm sure my age and

852
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: younger have listened to you for a long time. With

853
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: Bill Yeah, and the explosion of fantasy football. Matthew Berry

854
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: is now part of Sunday Night Football. You can see

855
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: him on television. It just happens to be the biggest

856
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: television show in America. Matthew Berry, how you doing.

857
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: I'm good. Life's great, man. I'm at the NFL combine

858
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,479
Speaker 4: talking to people having friends. It's great.

859
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: When did you how long you've been playing fantasy football?

860
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: Since I was seventeen years old. I've been playing fantasy

861
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 4: since I was fourteen, but I started in fantasy baseball,

862
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: so I think seventeen or eighteen, so over three decades.

863
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: From a gambling standpoint, obviously we bet football and like

864
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: any other sport, same thing with fantasy fasturts. Yeah, yeah,

865
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: Why why do you think fantasy football is so big?

866
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: I think it's partially because the NFL is so big. Like,

867
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: I think there's a couple of reasons why. Right, So,

868
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 4: first off, the NFL is the most popular sport, so

869
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 4: it stands to reason that the fantasy version of that

870
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: is also the most popular. It's easy to play, like,

871
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 4: it's easy to it's it's everything that you want in

872
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 4: a game, which is that it's easy to play and understand.

873
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 4: It's hard to master, right, So you get a dick

874
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 4: to it, you get really engaged with it. The fact

875
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 4: that you know you're playing one game a week in essence,

876
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 4: you know, you're not using a ton of players. It's

877
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: it's a fairly simple you know. I have eight year

878
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 4: olds that play, and I have eight year olds that play,

879
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: and anything that appeals to that wide a demographic, you know,

880
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: is is great obviously. And it's fun, you know what

881
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 4: I mean, Like at the end of the day, it's

882
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: just it's fun.

883
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: So that's I feel like you put all your chips

884
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: in the middle of the table on fantasy a long

885
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: long time ago. Was that just a gut feeling? Did you?

886
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: Could you feel it through the people you're playing with

887
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: or the larger landscape? How'd you know?

888
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 4: Just's a good question. I'm not a weird guy, and

889
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 4: by that I mean, is like this. So the stuff

890
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 4: that I like, I like Springsteen, like pizza, I like

891
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: you know, like going to Vegas, I like superhero movies.

892
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 4: Like the stuff that I like is fairly mainstream, right,

893
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: you know, I don't like weird stuff, or non mainstream

894
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 4: stuff is probably a better way to say it. And so,

895
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: and I really like fantasy football, and so he sort

896
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: of felt like, well, I like all this other stuff

897
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 4: that's incredibly mainstream and super popular, right, and I also

898
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: like this thing, And so if this thing can just

899
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 4: get more popular, just get more exposure, have more people

900
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: understand that it's it's not this nerdy thing, it's not

901
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 4: this niche thing, but it's actually it's a really fun

902
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 4: extension of watching the NFL, and it gives you a

903
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: rooting interesting games that you wouldn't care about.

904
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: Right.

905
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 4: I'm a Commander's fan. I'll watch every Washing game till

906
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 4: the end of time. But if I don't, but I'll

907
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: also watch every other NFL game because I have a

908
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 4: fantasy player in it. Right, So it enhances your enjoyment

909
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 4: of the NFL. If you enjoy the NFL, it gives

910
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 4: you a rooting interesting games you otherwise might not care about.

911
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: And so I just sort of felt like, if I

912
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: have this opportunity, if I have this desire and this

913
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: enjoyment of this thing, then I think a lot of

914
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: other people will once they're exposed to it. So we

915
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: just got to expose more people to it.

916
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: I get asked a lot just career advice, you know,

917
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: regardless of the industry, and I'm a big feel like

918
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: your gut and you know in your soul, and I

919
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: was there a moment in your career when you realize

920
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: this is really going to be something because you were

921
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: at the ESPN for a long time.

922
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 4: I was at ESPN for a long time, and there's

923
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: definitely different steps along the way where I certainly like,

924
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 4: did I expect it to explode? You know when I

925
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 4: was starting out, Did I expect it to explode the

926
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: way it did? Did I expect that I would one

927
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 4: day be on Football Night in America on the you know,

928
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 4: the the pregame show for the biggest game of the week. Uh,

929
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 4: you know, in the most popular show in the ratings. No, obviously,

930
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: but you know, but I did again, I sort of thought,

931
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: how again, if this thing, if people were exposed to it,

932
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 4: it's fun, it's fun and easy to play, and the

933
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 4: more people exposed it, the more it's going to take off.

934
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: I mean, there's there's moments in time, right like just

935
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: I was sort of you track my uh, like I

936
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: always track it by party talk, And this will make

937
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: sense in a second. Right when it started out, I

938
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 4: would go to a party. What do you do for

939
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 4: a living? Well? You ever heard of fantasy football?

940
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: No?

941
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 4: What's that? Well, it's this game blah blah blah.

942
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: And here's how you play it, and so I sort

943
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: of do that had to be interesting convo in like

944
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: the early two thousands.

945
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like people and then then and then they'd

946
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 4: be like, what do you do for a living A

947
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: fantasy football? Oh yeah, like my brother plays that.

948
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got it.

949
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 4: There's one guy in the office that's into it. You know.

950
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 4: It was that and now it's like then it and

951
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: then it became like, oh, fantasy football, Oh can you

952
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 4: let me look at this team? Hey, I just got

953
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: a trade. And now it's like hey, Matthew, Like they

954
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 4: recognize me and they come up to me and then

955
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: they're like, hey, can you help me get you got

956
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 4: to sleep? Orfore me? Like, hey, who do I start

957
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 4: my flex on Sunday? So it's just sort of like

958
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: continue to kind of progress. When did you get hired

959
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 4: at ESPN two thousand and seven? Would you say they

960
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: were pushing it back then? No, they weren't. That was

961
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 4: part of the reason I was hired, you know. They

962
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 4: came to me and they said I'd been doing some

963
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 4: work off and on for the for the company, Like

964
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 4: I'd been doing like you know, little guest spots here

965
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: and there, but they came to me and they said

966
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: in two thousand and seven, they said, hey, we've been

967
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 4: talking internally. We think fantasy football has the be big enough.

968
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: We think it's you know, it's got this potential and

969
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 4: we're looking from mel Kuiper of fantasy football. We've been

970
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 4: talking eternally. We need to find a mel Kuiper for

971
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: fantasy football to help us grow this particular you know,

972
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 4: this interest stream, and we like the work you do,

973
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: so we'd like to buy your website, move you to Connecticut,

974
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 4: and make you the guy. So that was two thousand

975
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 4: and seven, and part of what I was hired to

976
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: do is to grow the game, specifically ESPN's Fantasy game,

977
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 4: but by ESPN being the worldwide leader in sports, and

978
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 4: they certainly while are in two thousand and seven, that

979
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 4: was my mandate was to sort of like if ESPN

980
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: grew the game, then we've sort of felt like it

981
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 4: would kind of grow globally. And that the other thing

982
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 4: is that there was a trickle down effect that like

983
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 4: at ESPN, it's just like listen, if you're a fan

984
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 4: of sports, you have to watch ESPN. At some point

985
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: you have to engage with ESPN, Like, there's just no

986
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 4: avoiding it. Right, specifically the NFL they have Monday Night Football. Right,

987
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 4: if you're going to be a fan of the NFL,

988
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 4: you have to watch Monday Night Football and you can

989
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 4: only watch on ESPN. So we felt like people playing fantasy,

990
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 4: even if they didn't play with ESPN, but just people

991
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 4: playing fantasy care more about the NFL. There have been

992
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: studies right that the average football fan watches about three

993
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 4: hours a week. The average fantasy player watches over six

994
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 4: hours a week, right, more than twice. They're the aviage

995
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 4: of the Avids. And so if we could get somebody

996
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 4: playing fantasy football, even if it wasn't on ESPN platforms

997
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 4: that they played Yahoo somewhere else, right, NFL dot com,

998
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 4: you know what.

999
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Have you double their time watching?

1000
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 4: Well, right, they're more engaged in sports. It just means

1001
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 4: that basically, if they were playing fantasy foot wherever they

1002
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 4: played it, they'd be more engaged in sports. And if

1003
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 4: they were more engaged in sports, ultimately that would be

1004
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 4: good for ESPN because they would hopefully come to read

1005
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 4: my column or listen to my podcast, or just they'd

1006
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: watch Monday Night Football even if they didn't have, even

1007
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 4: if they weren't a fan of the two teams playing,

1008
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 4: because they're hoping for a Monday night miracle, which I

1009
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: always put out there, you know, that kind of thing.

1010
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 4: So that was sort of the idea of of promoting that.

1011
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, so part of my job. I think the

1012
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: thing that I can, I can legitimately take the most

1013
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 4: credit for is the growth of fantasy football, the making

1014
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: it popular in America. I've won awards for that.

1015
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: I think about you when you say fantasy football. I'm

1016
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: not just saying that because you're sitting here. Well that's true.

1017
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But that's the thing that comes up

1018
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: the most. Like I literally like, and I'm not trying

1019
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: to brag about the ord, but it's just so funny.

1020
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: The American Marketing Association, the American Marketing Association and I

1021
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: think it was in twenty thirteen named me the Marketer

1022
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: of the Year because of my help and the growth

1023
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: of fantasy football. Like it's kind of crazy, right, well,

1024
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: I mean somewhat, Like, you know, I don't know that

1025
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: I would say that, but I just like, literally, this

1026
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: marketing organization like honors people for like, you know, incredible marketing,

1027
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: and they were like, the way you marketed fantasy football

1028
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: and the way you helped grow the popularity of it

1029
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: made it.

1030
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 4: A national thing. You know, they gave me this award,

1031
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 4: and so you know, I think that's you know, I'm

1032
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 4: not trying to brag on myself, but that is something

1033
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 4: that I think I can legitimately sort of lay claim to.

1034
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 4: And that's the thing that comes up the most is

1035
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 4: that I didn't invent fantasy football, but I believe I

1036
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: made it popular. I mean, a lot of people did,

1037
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 4: but like I was, I was part of that for sure.

1038
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: That stream is it fair to say Obviously when you

1039
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: get really big at ESPN or starting off in O seven.

1040
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: One thing that's dramatically changed over that period time is

1041
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: the power of the Internet. Oh, for sure, game changer

1042
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: for fantasy one.

1043
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: Thousand percent, because all of a sudden, now it's you know,

1044
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: now you could play it in this right now, you

1045
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 4: could you play it on your phone. Stats are kept more,

1046
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 4: it's easier to do research until you set your lineup,

1047
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: it's easier to get you know, live scoring updates, everything

1048
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 4: like that. So just technology has been a great boon

1049
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 4: to the game, and it lowered the barrier entry. Again,

1050
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 4: Like back when I was doing it, you had to

1051
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: do that. You had to do stats by hand. You

1052
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: had to sort of nerd out and really like go

1053
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 4: through the box scores at them all up. You're doing

1054
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 4: stats by hand. It's painstaking. And the only people that

1055
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: are really gonna do that the hardcore of the hardcore

1056
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 4: is But now, like again, like you know, my kids

1057
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 4: have been playing since they were like eight, because they

1058
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 4: all know how to use an app. They all know

1059
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: how to use a phone. They kind of open up

1060
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 4: an app and they just like, this guy's projected for

1061
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 4: more points than that guy.

1062
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Great, you know that kind of thing. I'm a big gambler. So,

1063
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: and I've heard you and Bill talk about this that

1064
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: there are some underground fantasy leagues that have massive buy ins, right,

1065
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: some former athletes, just rich people. Are you part of

1066
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: any of those? And can can you just give me

1067
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: what's the biggest one you've ever heard of a buy in?

1068
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a there's one I've heard of that's

1069
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 4: a bunch of guys that either own or run casinos.

1070
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: That's like it's one hundred thousand dollars buy in. I've

1071
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 4: heard of. I've heard rumors of the one hundred thousand

1072
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: dollars buy in one that one I know for a

1073
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 4: fact keeper league. Huh keeper league fresh every year, it

1074
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 4: starts fresh every year. But there, But I've heard rumors

1075
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 4: of ones that, like, you know, a million dollar buy

1076
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 4: ins and that kind of stuff. I couldn't couldn't prove

1077
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 4: it any.

1078
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: About being dialed in, right, holy shit.

1079
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: But but honestly, it's all still sort of the same. Like,

1080
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: if you're willing to put a million dollars down in

1081
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: a fantasy league, you can afford to lose it, you

1082
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like it's the same as somebody

1083
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: else saying, you know, I'm in a ten dollars league,

1084
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: orm one hundred dollar argue, it's all relative.

1085
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: Sixty grand doing a five hundred dollars league's pretty big deal, right,

1086
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: thousand percent.

1087
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 4: Right, it's the same thing. But you know, somebody is

1088
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 4: worth somebody's worth a hundred million dollars. I'm putting a

1089
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 4: hundred I'll putting a million. Somebody that's worth five hundre

1090
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 4: million dollars'll putting a million dollars. They don't care.

1091
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: It's the Yeah, I'd imagine you get people all over

1092
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: the Sun hitting you up for advice, right, especially the

1093
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: big money guys want to know does that I mean,

1094
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: how does that go?

1095
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a little more pressure, I suppose, but

1096
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 4: uh yeah, I'm always happy to help out. The The

1097
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 4: fact of the matter is is that I have found

1098
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 4: the majority of the people that I find want to win,

1099
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 4: not for the money reasons. So, like I've talked about this, like,

1100
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 4: you know, Jay Z plays fantasy football, and I'm gonna

1101
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 4: you know, I know all the guys in that league.

1102
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: I'm not in that league, but I know all the

1103
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 4: guys in that league.

1104
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: Lebron.

1105
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 4: Lebron's not in that league. No, it's famous Gut League.

1106
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: Guts League, Uh Chris Paul. The only other athlete or

1107
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 4: celebrity in that league is is uh Chris Paul. But

1108
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: Jesse Hitzler, who's a co owner of the Atlanta Hawks,

1109
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 4: is in that league. Steve Stout, who you know runs translation, Uh,

1110
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 4: Mike Kei's of the President Atlantic Records, Juan Prez who

1111
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 4: runs Rock Nation Sports, Kevin Lyles, IRV Gotti, you know,

1112
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 4: murdering IRV Gotti. The legend on and on the people

1113
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: in that league, and so the but you know, so

1114
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: I've seen that league, all those guys, and and I

1115
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 4: won't say what the entry fee is for that league,

1116
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 4: but it's not cheap.

1117
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: Probably not ten bucks.

1118
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 4: It's not ten bucks.

1119
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 5: I'll leave it at that.

1120
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 4: And but in all the years and I've I've gone

1121
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 4: to that draft for I think eleven years, twelve years now,

1122
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 4: something like that, they all want to win desperately.

1123
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: You go to the draft.

1124
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 4: I go to the draft. I go to the draft

1125
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 4: every year and and sort of help out and give it,

1126
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 4: you know, they I kind of do a play by

1127
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: play the pick. Some people like good pick, bad pick,

1128
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: and I sort of like talk about it I liked

1129
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 4: it or not, and you know, give it. I give

1130
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: all the guys crap or they give it back to me,

1131
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 4: and it's it's a great time. You charge a fee

1132
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 4: for that, or I do not. I did not. It's

1133
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 4: I'm honored to be there. But the reason I bring

1134
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 4: that up is is my point is is like it's

1135
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 4: not an insignificant amount of money. And I've never in

1136
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 4: twelve years ever heard anyone bring up the money. They

1137
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 4: all desperately want to win. But it's not about the

1138
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 4: It's about bragging rights. Because they're all that group is all.

1139
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 4: They're all good friends, they've known each other for years

1140
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 4: and years and years and years, and so it's all

1141
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 4: bragging rights. And that's what I've found for the most

1142
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 4: part is very few people that are you know, play

1143
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 4: fantasy for the money. There. I mean, there are pay

1144
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 4: for play, there are play for pay leagues where the

1145
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 4: goal is to try to win money, but leagues that

1146
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 4: are comprised of friends, people care much regardless of how

1147
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 4: much the entry fee is. People care much more about

1148
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 4: winning than they do, you know, whatever the whatever, the

1149
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 4: the grand prize at the end, like same thing. Like

1150
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 4: you know, like all the Avengers are in the league,

1151
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 4: you know, Chris Pratt, Chris Evans, you know, Anthony Mackie,

1152
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 4: Jeremy Renner, on and on and on right in this league,

1153
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: and they they talk trash non stop. Again, not a

1154
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 4: chief league to be in, but one that is, you know,

1155
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 4: really intense because they all want to beat each other.

1156
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 4: So again, it's less about the money. Especially weirdly as

1157
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 4: for rich people, it's not about the money. It's about

1158
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 4: you know, trash talk and beating your friends.

1159
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: How dialed in are you to just NonStop storylines during

1160
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: OTA's and training camp. Is that when you I mean

1161
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: you just following every team very closely.

1162
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, constantly. I mean it's one of the reasons I'm

1163
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 4: here at the Combine, right, it's the for what I

1164
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 4: do for a living. Until the prospects are on a team,

1165
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 4: can't really assess the fantasy value, right, you know what

1166
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 4: I mean, Like, we know Marvin Harrison's going to be good,

1167
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 4: but Marvin Harrison, Marvin Harrison Junior on the Patriots is

1168
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 4: a different fantasy prospect than Marvin Harrison Junior on the Cardinals. Kyler, Kyler, Right,

1169
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 4: you know, so again you kind of wait to see

1170
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 4: where they're going to land and where they you know,

1171
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 4: what their role is going to be.

1172
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 5: Right.

1173
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 4: So for me, what I do here at the Combine

1174
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 4: is it's gathering intel, right, It's networking, it's getting sources,

1175
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 4: it's hearing this is what we're thinking about doing, this

1176
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 4: is what we're planning on doing. This is how we're

1177
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 4: talking with this player, that player or that player, that

1178
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 4: kind of thing. And so you know it's hard though, right,

1179
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 4: Like did you like CJ?

1180
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean, how would I like CJ?

1181
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 4: But if I I would be lying if I said

1182
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 4: I thought he was gonna have the season he was

1183
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 4: going to have. I like Tank Dell. Tank Dell was

1184
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 4: legitimate a sleeper for me. But I'd be lying if

1185
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 4: I said I thought C. J. Stroud would have the

1186
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 4: kind of fantasy season he did. Absolutely not.

1187
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: And that's the thing with fantasy football, right, Like Jordan

1188
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: Love unknown, yea, he ends up throwing well thirty plus

1189
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: touchdowns are pretty a little more known. But still I

1190
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: come off an injury, how do you It's always.

1191
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 4: Hard to tell. I mean, I did have Jordan Love

1192
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 4: as a sleeper. I thought they he'd be better than

1193
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 4: you know, because he'd shown flashes and everything like that.

1194
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 4: And offensive coach, yeah, offensive coach. He uses his legs

1195
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 4: a little bit. Thought they had better than they were

1196
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: given credit for. But right there's a little bit of

1197
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 4: the unknown there. But yes, to your to your the

1198
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 4: point is is like starting now through rook you know,

1199
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 4: through free agency, through the draft, through rookie OTAs like

1200
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 4: you know, like all the way up until kickoff, fantasy

1201
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 4: value constantly changes. You're trying to get notes and you

1202
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 4: know that kind of thing, trying to get nuggets and

1203
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 4: news and information and try to sift through what's what's

1204
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 4: real and what's Boloney so like.

1205
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: A way too early look ahead. Yeah, you know guys

1206
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: like let's use Jordan Love and Brock Purty. Sure, we

1207
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 1: know they're cast of characters coming back. They're both gonna

1208
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: have the same coach. Would you view their season last

1209
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: year gonna be any different this year?

1210
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: I think both will improve upon that, and I think

1211
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 4: both their top twelve fantasy quarterbacks next year.

1212
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure running backs. I mean some of them

1213
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: are free agents, but like say, jam Jamiir Gibbs, is

1214
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: he a guy that you just.

1215
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the question is right. I mean, I

1216
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 4: think I'll have a guy. I have Jamiir Gibbs ranked

1217
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 4: ahead of Dave Montgomery. They want to be a run

1218
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: first team. It's one of the best offensive lines in football.

1219
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 4: You don't expect any of that, but you know, Jimmy

1220
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 4: Gibbs is Jamie Gibbs is gonna be one of the

1221
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 4: first you know, fifteen running backs drafted, you know, this year,

1222
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 4: and probably higher because there's been a lot of hype

1223
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 4: on him.

1224
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: McCaffrey.

1225
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 4: McCaffrey's my number one overall.

1226
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, nothing's gonna change. No running backs making

1227
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: nervous though with injuries and yeah a little bit.

1228
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 4: But you know what, like, yes, running backs make you nervous,

1229
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 4: but they all do every position does I mean, what

1230
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 4: was it something like sixty six different quarterbacks to can

1231
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 4: snap this year? Something like? I mean, like quarterback used

1232
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 4: to be the same, Like no one. Quarterbacks never get injured.

1233
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 4: You know, the league protects them. You know, they're usually mobile.

1234
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 4: They've six six different quarterbacks right like, so you know,

1235
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 4: and then there are a lot of wide receiver injuries

1236
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 4: as well. I mean, you know, obviously Justin Jefferson he

1237
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 4: got banged up, Jamar Chase got banged up. T Higgins

1238
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: got banged up, like on and on on some debo, debo,

1239
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 4: Mike Williams, you know what I mean, Like it's a

1240
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 4: violent sport.

1241
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: Let's end on your squad. Obviously, they got a new coach,

1242
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: they got a new GM, they have offensive pieces, and

1243
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: it looks like they're gonna take quarterback. Do you know

1244
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: who you want?

1245
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, I think the easy answer is

1246
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 4: is Caleb Williams because of Cliff Kingsbury. But I want whoever.

1247
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: Honestly, I may have a good feeling who they're gonna take.

1248
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: I assuming he's gonna.

1249
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 4: Go on Kaylor, I feel like Drake may just because

1250
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 4: I feel like he's probably a better fit at this

1251
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 4: stage for what Cliff Kingsbury likes to run offensively versus

1252
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 4: Jade Daniels, who's you know, kind of like this uh

1253
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 4: different kind of quarterback. But what I would say is

1254
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 4: is that I almost think you can't screw it up.

1255
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 4: It feels like all three I'm like, like, you know, again,

1256
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 4: not cut to you know, cut to three years from now,

1257
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 4: and one of them is Josh Rosen, But like, you know,

1258
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: the fact of the matter is is like I feel

1259
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 4: like all three of them are sort of can't miss

1260
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 4: and like like they're all gonna be good.

1261
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say whoever they take it

1262
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: to given the personnel you guys have on offense, and

1263
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: Cliff probably gonna have a pretty good rookie year. Yeah,

1264
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: when you when you imagine, I would think so too,

1265
00:59:59,440 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: you know.

1266
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 4: And it's a interesting right because without knowing team, you'd

1267
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 4: sort of say, well, Jade Daniels is gonna be the

1268
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 4: most fantasy relevant because of the rushing. But then you

1269
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 4: then you point back to last year. Okay, if Anthony

1270
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 4: Richard had stayed healthy all year, long who winds up

1271
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 4: with more fantasy points Richardson or CJ. Stroud, Like it

1272
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 4: had been.

1273
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: Close, you might have ten rushing touchdowns CJ.

1274
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 4: Right, I mean Richardson, but Richardson was on his way

1275
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 4: to being a fantasy superstar. But then Stroud just has

1276
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 4: a monster year, right, Stroud was a fantasy superstar, and

1277
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 4: so so you sort of never know, right, But I

1278
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 4: think all three will be very successful. And I think, yes,

1279
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 4: they need to improve their offensive line, but Kingsbury's an

1280
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 4: offensive minded coach, right, And you know, with with McLaurin,

1281
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 4: with Dotson, with Curtis Samuel, with a strong run game,

1282
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 4: I think whoever that quarterback is in a game that'll,

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Speaker 4: you know, and on a team that they'll probably be

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Speaker 4: throwing a decent amount because they'll be down. Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: should be a you know, potential fantasy option. Sam Howell

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Speaker 4: this year, Sam Howell for the longest time, was a

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Speaker 4: top ten fantasy quarter back. He had moments where he

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Speaker 4: looked pretty good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 4: I think he got a raw deal a little bit.

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Speaker 1: He was running for his life.

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Speaker 4: Awful offensive line and the defense was so bad. He

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Speaker 4: was constantly a negative game script. He never got the

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Speaker 4: opportunity to just like, hey, can we just run a

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Speaker 4: balanced offense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You know I read you because I go to

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Speaker 1: rotal World a lot. Sure, is that the easiest place

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Speaker 1: to find you for people at the world dot com?

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Speaker 5: You bet.

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Speaker 4: I love Rod.

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Speaker 1: I've been When I worked in the NFL, we used

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Speaker 1: to use rotal World, which was Twitter before Twitter, to

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Speaker 1: get the injuries, to find out the stories. Still I

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Speaker 1: still used all the time, and I see her stuff there. Matthew,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate continued success. Thank you, John, Thank you the

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Speaker 1: volume