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That's one word support 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: IFCJ dot org or call eight to eight four eight 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: eight IFCJ that's eight eight eight four eight eight IFCJ 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: eight and eight four eight eight four three two five 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: or support IFCJ dot org. Welcome and his Verdict with Center, 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson. With You and Today is part 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: two of our exclusive conversation with Elon Musk, the entrepreneur 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: and innovator who is transforming industries and is dismantling government waste, 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: fraud and abuse With Doge must Relentless pursuit of technology 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: and space exploration continues to capture the world's imagination. In 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: this episode, we unravel the thoughts and aspirations of a 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: man who defies conventional boundaries, pushing humanity towards new horizons. 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: So join us in the White House as we continue 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: to explore the riveting journey of Elon Musk, a modern 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: day pioneer whose revolutionary ideas are set to redefine tomorrow. 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: Let me start with a question. You know a lot 32 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 2: about what year does man first set foot on Mars. 33 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: I think the soonest would be twenty nine, twenty nine, yes, 34 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: and I don't think it's more than two to four 35 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: years beyond that. 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: And that's not an unman's that's a human being putting 37 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: his foot on the surface. 38 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 4: Yes, best case would be twenty nine. 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: And what do you put the odds of finding either 40 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: alien life or evidence of alien life. 41 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to find aliens, okay. 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: But do we find ruins? Do we find remnants? 43 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: We may we may find the ruins of a long 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 3: dead alien civilization, that's possible. And we may find subterranean 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: microbial life, that's possible. 46 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: All right. If Man lands on Mars in twenty nine, 47 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: how soon after that do you land on Mars? 48 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 4: It remains to be seen. I'm not sure. 49 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 3: The important thing is that are we build a self 50 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 3: sustaining city on Mars as quickly as possible. The key 51 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: threshold is when that city can continue to grow, continue 52 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: to prosper even when the supply ships from Earth stop coming. 53 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: At that point, even if something would happen on Earth, 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: it might might It might not be World War three, 55 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: but it might be that a bad virus. 56 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it might not be anything. For those things. 57 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: It's like like like say, civilization, you could die with 58 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: a bang or a whimper. It maybe that civilization dies 59 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: with a whimper rather than a bang or and simply 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: loses the ability to send ships to Mars. But so 61 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: you absoenly need Mars to become self sustaining and be 62 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: able to grow by itself before the resupply ships from 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: Earth stopped coming. That That is the critical a civilizational 64 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 3: threshold beyond which the probable life span of civilization is 65 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: much greater. 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: And how close are we technologically to be able to 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: do that, to have a self sustaining settlement on the 68 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: surface of Mars. 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 4: I think it can be done in twenty years, But. 70 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: It would take twenty years, so we're not in twenty nine. 71 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: We're not there. What are we missing? What are the 72 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: big technologies? 73 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: We don't have a few people running around the surface 74 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 3: in a hostile environment is not going to make it 75 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: self sustaining. So you're going to need on the order 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: of a million people, maybe a million tons of cargo. 77 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: So but you think we could have a million people 78 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: on Mars in twenty years? Yes, And what's the technology 79 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: we're missing right now? When you think about a million 80 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: people on Mars, do we have the ability to get water, 81 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: to get food, to keep them safe? I mean, what 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: do we need to make that happen? 83 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: Well, you need to recreate the entire base of industry 84 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: of Earth. So you know, we're here at the top 85 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: of a massive permit of industry that starts with mining 86 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 3: a bas array of materials, those materials going through hundreds 87 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: of steps of refinements. We grow food, obviously, we grow trees, 88 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 3: we make things out of the trees. There's you know, 89 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: you've got to You've got to build all that on Mars, 90 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: and Mars is a hostile environment. It's you know, it 91 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 3: sometimes gets above zero on a warm summer day near 92 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 3: the equator on Mars. 93 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 4: Meanly it's quite cold. 94 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: How do you prep for that? 95 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 4: Well, in the beginning, on Mars. 96 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: You have to have a life support habitation module right 97 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: like you need You can't just live outdoors. 98 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 4: You can't breathe the air like. 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: A dome you think is likely? 100 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, glass domes type of thing. 101 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: Have you identified a location on Mars that is likely 102 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 2: to be ideal for a habitat? 103 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 3: What might be Arcadia planet? Here is one of the 104 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: one of the good options. That's one of my daughters 105 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 3: is named Arcadia after. 106 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: That, and what makes that attractive. 107 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 4: My other son's little name is uh Ari's Mars. 108 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: You've been thinking about this for a long time. If 109 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: you're name and your kids around it. 110 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 4: My eldest kid is little name is essentially Mars. 111 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: When did you get the dream? 112 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: Like, I mean, it's twenty two to twenty one. Soon 113 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 4: this is decades old. 114 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, dream So like when you were ten, did you 115 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: look up and say I'm going to Mars? 116 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 4: No? No. 117 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: I read a lot of science fiction books and program computers. 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: But the first, finally off, the first video game that 119 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: I sold was a space video game called Blastar. Maybe 120 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: I spoiled this way. 121 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: How do you do? How do you become Elon Musk? Look, 122 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: you're obviously smart as hell, but but there are lots 123 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: there are a lot of smart people that don't do 124 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: swat and you've managed everything you've touched has been an 125 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: extraordinary success. Uh yeah, yeah, Look, I mean that's just 126 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: objectively right. So what has led to that? Because there 127 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: are other smart people that that's not true, and they 128 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: gaze at their navel and they don't do anything. So 129 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: what what do you do differently that makes you so effective? 130 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: Well? I suppose I have a philosophy of curiosity. 131 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: I want to find out the nature of the universe, 132 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: understand the universe, and in order to do that, we 133 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: have to travel to other planets, see other star systems, 134 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: maybe other galaxies, find perhaps other alien civilizations, or at 135 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: least the remnants of alien civilizations, gain a better understanding 136 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: of worse it's universe going ready to come from and 137 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: what questions do we not yet know to ask about 138 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: the answer that is the universe. 139 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: So let's go back twenty five years, late nineties. You're 140 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: at PayPal. How do you turn PayPal into the success 141 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: it was, which which then helped launch you to the 142 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: next one? In the next one. 143 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I studied physics and economics and college she's 144 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: a good nation for understanding how the economy works and 145 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 3: how reality works. And then I was going to do 146 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: a PhD at Stanford in advanced ultra capacitors actually as 147 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: a potential means of energy storage for electric transport. Put 148 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: that on hold to start an internet company. Essentially came 149 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: to the conclusion that the Internet was one of those 150 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: rare things and I could either watch it happen while 151 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 3: a grad student or participated. And I figured, I've always 152 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: go back to grad school. You know, grad school is 153 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: going to be kind of the same. But I couldn't 154 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: rather thought of just watching the Internet happen, So I 155 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 3: wanted to be a part of building it. So I 156 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 3: created an Internet Internet company. We did the first maps, directions, 157 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: yellow pages, white pages on the Internet. I actually wrote 158 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: the first version of Suffered just by myself and ninety 159 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 3: five and we ended up selling that to Compact Texas company. 160 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: I guess yea. 161 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: For about three hundred million dollars in cash about four 162 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: years after I graduated. 163 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Wow. 164 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: So I should say just to preface that I graduated 165 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 4: with about one hundred thousand dollars a student debt. So 166 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 4: it wasn't yeah, you and me both yeah, yeah, right, 167 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 4: I know. 168 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: And when I first arrived in North America, I arrived 169 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 3: with twenty five hundred dollars, a bag of books and 170 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: a bag of clothes. 171 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: All right, So you sell the company for three hundred million, 172 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: How much does that change your life? 173 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 4: Well? 174 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: I got twenty one million dollars black jack, and but 175 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: I wanted to do more on the internet. So started 176 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 3: a company called x dot com, which morch were a 177 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 3: company called Confinity, which is Peter Thiel and Max Leptun yep, 178 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: and we're combined. Company was actually at first little called 179 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: x dot com, but we later later changed the name 180 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: of the company to PayPal. Because of all the name changes, 181 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: it's kind of confusing. But the company that people know 182 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: is know as PayPal today. Was actually I felt those 183 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 3: in corporation documents for that company interesting. 184 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 185 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: Well, and as you know, Peter Tiel and I were 186 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: buddies back in the mid nineties before he went and 187 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: did any of this, but you know, I became friends 188 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: with him when he was a corporate lawyer in New 189 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: York and just sort of a young libertarian with with 190 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 2: a lot of dreams. So it's been a heck of 191 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: a journey. 192 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 193 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And now Peter was involved in a coup. You know, 194 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: we had a little sort of knifing in the Senate 195 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: situation where you know that they did cooon met at PayPal. 196 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: I kind of now, did you all make peace after that? Yeah? 197 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. 198 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: I mean I was doing a lot of sort of 199 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,359 Speaker 3: risky moves that I think ultimately would have been successful. 200 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: But I then went on a two week trip which 201 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: was a dual money raising trip and honeymoon, and said 202 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: not done my honeymoon earlier in the year. So it's 203 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: raising money while doing doing Hollywood honeymoon. But I was 204 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 3: kind of awake. 205 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 4: Did that go over by the way it worked? 206 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: It worked? 207 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 4: There, you go, kind of worked. I raised money, yeah, yeah, 208 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 4: and we had honeymoon there you go. 209 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, but you don't want to be away from 210 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: the battle when things are scary. So I was not 211 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: there to assuage the concerns of the troops. And anyway, 212 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:45,239 Speaker 3: we're passed things up. And I have been friends nonetheless, 213 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 3: and yeah, these days all stay at his house and stuff. 214 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 4: So I was super friends. And he's also invested in 215 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 4: most of my companies. 216 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: All right, So two thousand and two you start SpaceX, Like, 217 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: how do you start a rocket company? Like what's the 218 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: first day where you're like, I want to make rockets 219 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: and I want to go to Mars? Like what do 220 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: you do on day one? 221 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: So I think you have to start with a some 222 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: sort of philosophical premise in order to have in order 223 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: for the in order to be in order to be 224 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: highly motivated, you have to have some. 225 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 4: Philosophical foundation. In my case, it was. 226 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 3: That that we want to expand the scale, the scope 227 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: and scale of consciousness. 228 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: To better understand the nature of the universe. 229 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: And in order to expand scale, expand consciousness, we need 230 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: to go beyond one planet. If for one planet there's 231 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: there's too much risk, you know, hopefully Earth civilization prosperous 232 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: very far into the future. 233 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 4: But it may not. 234 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: There's always some risk that we are we self annihilate 235 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: through nuclear war, or that there's a big meter that 236 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: takes us out like the dinosaurs. Ye, there's always some 237 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: risk if all your eggs are in one bast good. 238 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: So it's going to be better if we're a multiplanet species. 239 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 3: And then once we're a multiplanet species, that the next 240 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 3: step would be to be a multi stellar and have 241 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: a civilization among on many different star systems. So in 242 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 3: two thousand and one, I didn't think that I could. 243 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: I didn't think I could sell a rocket company. So 244 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: I thought I'd take some of the money from PayPal. 245 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: In that case, I think was about one hundred and 246 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: eighty million dollars after tax, something like that, And I thought, 247 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 3: you know, I don't need a hundred and eighty million dollars, 248 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: so I'll spend a bunch of it on a philanthropic 249 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 3: Mars mission to get the public excited about going back 250 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: to Mars. We're going to Mars, I should say, yeah, 251 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: Mars was always going to be the destination after the Moon. 252 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: Right. 253 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: In fact, if you told people in nineteen sixty nine 254 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 3: that it would be twenty twenty five and we've not 255 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: even gone back to the Moon, let alone it's targetable leave, 256 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: let alone Mars. They'd be like what happened in the 257 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: civilization collapse? Top Yeah, like they would be incomprehensible that 258 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: we've not been to Mars by now, if you told 259 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: people this after landing on the Moon in sixty nine. 260 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: Why do you think in fifty years America never went 261 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: back to the moon. 262 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: Well, we destroyed the Saturn five rocket that was that 263 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: could take people to the Moon, and had the Space Shuttle, 264 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: which could only go to lowth orbit, and then there 265 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: really hasn't been anything to replace any No, no vehicle 266 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: has been made since then that can go to the 267 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: Moon or to Mars until the SpaceX Starship rocket. Yeah, 268 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: so you can't go to Mars if you don't have 269 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: the ride. 270 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: So I remember you and I first met in twenty 271 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: thirteen when when I was a brand new baby senator. Yeah, 272 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: and I was still down in the basement office. They 273 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: stick freshman senators in the basement office a kind of 274 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: like hazy. Yeah, yeah, say it sounds like there are 275 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: one hundred seared offices. But for six months you stay 276 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: in the base. You're in your place it's like worrying. Mean, 277 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: you know where you're supposed to you now, thirteen years 278 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: into it. I think there's a lot of wisdom to 279 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: doing that. But you were down in the basement office 280 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: and I remember you were coming and sitting down with 281 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: SpaceX and at the time, the Air Force was not 282 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: letting you all bid to launch satellites, and so you 283 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: were coming and saying, look, we got a company. I 284 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: think we can do a really good job of this, 285 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: and yet we're locked out of this. It's a little 286 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: amazing to think the journey SpaceX is gone from then 287 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: to now. 288 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: Yes, it's hard to believe that this is all real 289 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 3: because originally, consistently with my belief that we need to 290 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: become a mother planet species, I thought the only way 291 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: to do that would be through NASA sou and I 292 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: think I thought, well, if I just get the public 293 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: excited about Mars, then they'll do admission to Mars. And 294 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: so initially my thought was to have to send a 295 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: small greenhouse with seeds and dehydrated nutrient gel. Then land 296 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 3: the greenhouse, hydrate the seeds, and you see. 297 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: The sort of money shot. 298 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: The money shot would be green plants on a red background. 299 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 4: Ye. 300 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: I also recently know that money shot has a different 301 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: meaning in some other arenas. 302 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, story. 303 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: But what I'm trying to say is the captivating shot 304 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 3: would be the green plants on a red background, and 305 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: then hopefully that would if we did something like that, that 306 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: would get the public excited about Mars, that would increase 307 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: nasta's budget, and then we could send people to Mars. 308 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 4: Dream was nicey to do this? Yes, not you. No. 309 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: The original original plan was. 310 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: Literally to take a bunch of the money from PayPal 311 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: and I guess, by some people's definition, waste it with 312 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: no probit on a nonprofit thing. I wanted to spend 313 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of my money for free to get 314 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: NASA's budget to be bigger so we could. 315 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 4: Go to friggin Mars. Right, Wow, that's what I wanted. 316 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 4: So that was the holy Grail, That's what I wanted. 317 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: I was like, so, when did you Mars? 318 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 4: That's what I wanted to know, Well. 319 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: When when did it strike you? Okay, you're going to 320 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 2: have to do this. 321 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 4: If you will, I'll tell you. 322 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 3: It gets crazier, all right, It gets crazier so so 323 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: that I couldn't afford any of the US rockets because 324 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 3: as you know, the US rockets are way too expensive 325 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: for bying lucky rock Lucky rockets are crazy money I 326 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: didn't have. 327 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 4: I didn't even even with one hundred eighty millions. Way 328 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 4: I could have afforded were they back then? 329 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 3: Well, the that with the additional stage to get tomorrows, 330 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 3: it would have been about like eighty million. So technically 331 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: I could have afforded one of them, but I wanted 332 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 3: to do too in case one of them didn't work. 333 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 4: Yeah. So and then I didn't have enough money for that. 334 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was sort of prepared to, you know, 335 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, waste half the money. And I figured 336 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: if I had ninety million left, that'd be fine, you know, 337 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: but ideally on all of it. 338 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 4: So I went to Russia twice to try to buy ICBMs. 339 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: How'd that go? 340 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: And who do you call? 341 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 4: The Russian rocket forces? 342 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: They sell ICBMs? Does that work? 343 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? 344 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: You got to tell us a story that I want 345 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: to know who you can buy anything in Russia? 346 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, please walk you down that. 347 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: I want to know how you made that phone call 348 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: and when you get there, how did that work? 349 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 4: And what do you tell your friends? Yeah, listen, I'm 350 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 4: going to Russian device in ICBMs. I might not return, 351 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: you know, in this situation. 352 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 3: Literally, Yeah, So I guess slightly less insane when you 353 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: when you understand that the Russians had to demolish a 354 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 3: bunch of their ICBMs because of uh, you know, sult 355 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: talks like the peace because basically an agreement between the 356 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: United States and Russia to reduce the total number of ICBMs, 357 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 3: Russia was actually obligated to scrap a bunch of their ICBMs. 358 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 4: So you've took it the very biggest ICBMs. 359 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: You could converte those into a rocket at additional stage 360 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: and send something to Mars. 361 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: So those are big enough with one more stage to 362 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: get to Mars. 363 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: To send a small payload to Mars. Yeah, so the 364 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: SS eighteen. 365 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: So you try to buy CBMs, do you succeed or no? 366 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: Or do you figure out you got to build your 367 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: own instead. 368 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: They kept raising the price on me, so because I 369 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: figured like, look, they're going to throw these things in 370 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: scrappy on anyway, should get a really good deal, right, 371 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: So the price started out at four million, then the 372 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: next conversation there were at eight million. Then the next compsition, 373 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: they were like nineteen million, and I'm like, this is 374 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 3: before we signed a contract. 375 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: By the way, was there another bit? Was there another 376 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: bid or were you the only one trying to buy them? 377 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 3: I think I don't know if there were other bids, 378 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 3: but they didn't mention any other bits. But I was like, man, 379 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: if if the price is increasing this much before the 380 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: contract signed, I'm really going to get fleeced. 381 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 4: After the contract sign So I got pretty frustrated there. 382 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 3: Actually, in some cases we got into like shouting matches 383 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 3: in Moscow. Some guy shouting at me in Russia and 384 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 3: I'm shouting back at. 385 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 2: Him and really badly, you know, I'm like, so you 386 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: are all I mean, you're all. 387 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 4: In Moscow. 388 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So. 389 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 4: Man, I should have recorded that. That would have been one 390 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 4: for them. 391 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: How many days were you there negotiating that first time? 392 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean it was just like ongoing, yeah, yeah. 393 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 4: This this took place. 394 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: These conversations took place over probably six months or so so, 395 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 3: and then the final trip trip there was with the 396 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 3: with was with Mike Reffinue later became as administrator. I 397 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: actually realized in the course of this that my original 398 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: premise was wrong, that that America actually has plenty of 399 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 3: will to go to Mars, but needs that. It just 400 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 3: needs a way to Mars that is affordable and that 401 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 3: doesn't break the budget. 402 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 2: You know, just as you know, we couldn't even get 403 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 2: to the space station. We needed the Russians to get 404 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: us to our own space station. 405 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: That was embarrasing. 406 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: It really was pitiful. 407 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: I'm not sure most Americans know just how much we're 408 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: being fleeceed. Like I think they got up to like 409 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: ninety million. 410 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 2: Dollars a seat. 411 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 3: Yeah wow, Yeah, well for a seat that custom like ten. 412 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: Was predge obviously, but it was the only. 413 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 4: Yeah it was before SpaceX. 414 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: Ninety million dollars a seat for a seat that cost 415 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: them ten million is high. 416 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a lot of money. Yeah, all right. 417 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: I want to take a moment to tell you real 418 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: quick about an incredible company called Patriot Mobile. 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But 465 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: one of the things you said to me when we 466 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: were down there that really stood out me is is 467 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: is you said your philosophy on intellectual property talk to 468 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: lots of CEOs or we fight to guard our I 469 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: p and and you had a very different approach. What's 470 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: what's your view. 471 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 4: Of I P patents of the week, patterns of for 472 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 4: those that innovation slowly. 473 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 2: I literally do not know anyone else in business who 474 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: would say something like that, like like it was a 475 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: startling and and and and what Elon said down there 476 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 2: is he said, look this stuff. I assume everyone will 477 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 2: steal everything, but by the time they steal it will 478 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 2: be five generations beyond and it won't matter. 479 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 3: Yes, at Tesla, we actually open sourcedal Lite patents. So 480 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: we said our patents are anyone can use them for free. 481 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 3: Really yeah, uh. The only wily do patents of Tesla 482 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 3: to to avoid patent. 483 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 4: Trolls causing causing trouble. 484 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: So we'll try to look ahead and say, okay, patent 485 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 3: trolls are going to trial file patterns to blocks and things, 486 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: will file patents and then open source to make it free. 487 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm want to say patents for the week. Now. 488 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 3: There are a few cases, in say with pharmaceuticals, where 489 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 3: it might cost you billion dollars to do a Phase 490 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 3: three human file, but then subsequently the drug is very 491 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: cheap to manufacture. So cases there are some in my opinion, 492 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 3: which would massively reduced what can be patented. And and say, 493 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: because the whole point of patenting is to maximize innovation, 494 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: not inhibit it. And in my opinion, maybe a controversial opinion, 495 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 3: most patents inhibit innovation, they do not help it. But 496 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 3: there are case I want to do one a single 497 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 3: cases like where such as a phase three clinical trial. 498 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 3: It might cost a billion dollars, but then the drugs 499 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: thereafter cost a few dollars to manufacture, and if you 500 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 3: can then immediately copy those drugs for a few dollars, 501 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 3: no one will pay for the billion dollars free writer 502 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: problem exactly. So you have to address the free writer problem. 503 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 3: But other than that, there should be no patents. The 504 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: ideas are easy. 505 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: You want ideas to flow maximum to people, to get 506 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: there faster and do things bigger. 507 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 4: The idea is the easy pot. The herd execution is 508 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 4: the hard part. 509 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 3: As the old saying goes, it's one percent inspiration, if 510 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: not less than one percent, and nineteen nine percent perspiration. 511 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 2: But I'll say the perspiration part you're really damn good at. 512 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: Also because you're making you know, the companies you're building 513 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: are actually building stuff they're building cars, they're building spaceships, 514 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: they're building things that if they don't work, it's a 515 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: real problem. And the precision you manufacture things with, how 516 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 2: do you get that level of precision? How do you 517 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: get how do you build a culture? You're not You're 518 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: amazing at thinking outside the box. But what's interesting is 519 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 2: you you may even be better at execution, which is 520 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 2: how do you execute so effectively? 521 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 3: Well, I take a physics fresh principles approach to everything. 522 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: It's not as though I wanted to in source manufacturing. 523 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 3: It's just that I was unable to outsource it effectively. 524 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 3: So uh, you know, the idea at the beginning of 525 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: Tesla was that we would outsource. 526 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 4: Almost all the manufacturing. 527 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 3: But then it turned out there was no there were 528 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: no good companies to outsourced manufacturing too, which there wasn't 529 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 3: a really really, it wasn't peaceable outsourced manufacturing actually is 530 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: the exception of the rule. And and just over time, 531 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 3: we had to insource almost everything for Tesla and same 532 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: for SpaceX. I became very good at manufacturing because I 533 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 3: had to use no choice. At this point, I might 534 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: know more about manufacturing than any any human ever has, 535 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: because I've done so many. I've manufactured so many different 536 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: things and so many different arenas. I think probably more 537 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 3: than anyone ever has. 538 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: Look, that's that sounds like an astonishing statement, but it's 539 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 2: not a crazy statement. And you're somehow running Tesla and 540 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: running SpaceX and running X and running the Boring Company 541 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 2: and running Norlink and doing doge. How much do you 542 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: sleep in a given night? 543 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 4: About six hours and average. 544 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: So about six So so that's it wouldn't have shocked 545 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 2: me if you said three or four. 546 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: So the cornets rush is how many hours do you 547 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: work a day? 548 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 4: I work almost every working hour. 549 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: And Ben, he's not kidding that. Like when Elan and 550 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 2: I were first getting to know each other, I suggested, 551 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 2: I said, hey, let let's grab dinner sometime. And I 552 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 2: don't know if you remember what you said. You said, 553 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: I don't eat dinner. I don't have social dinners really right, 554 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: I mean that, Yeah, I mean you obviously eat food, 555 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 2: but yeah, idea going to a restaurant for two hours, But 556 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 2: the idea of like, I don't, But it was it 557 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: was just kind of a matter of fact. Why would 558 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: I go to dinner like you jump you work? Uh? 559 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I interally just I'll have lunch, and then it 560 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: brought during meetings and continue being. 561 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: How many nights have you slept at your offices? You 562 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: think your career percentage wise where you say, I just 563 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: got to take this nap basically because my body forces 564 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: me to, and I got to get back to work 565 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: fast and efficiently without going somewhere else. 566 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: Well, I guess it started out even with the first 567 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 3: company two which is a terrible name, but the first 568 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: interror company, we were able to rent an office which 569 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 3: was like in a leaky attack essentially for five hundred 570 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: dollars a month, and the cheapest apartment we could find 571 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 3: was eight hundred dollars a month. So like, and we 572 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 3: only had about five thousand dollars between our brother and I, 573 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: so like we're not we'll we'll, we'll. 574 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 4: Just stay in the office. Yep. So we got some. 575 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: Couches that converted into beds and we'd can't sleep at night, 576 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 3: and then we just have like turn the beds back 577 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 3: into couches before anyone came, and then we would shout 578 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: the Y M C A down the road and so 579 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 3: that went that that that that literally was for several months. 580 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 4: What we did, it was in great shape. You know, 581 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 4: we work out the y. 582 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 3: I still remember that that YFC at Page Miller al 583 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: Camino in Palo Alto. 584 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 2: So that was a long time. 585 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 3: Again, so it's been I don't know. I've never thought 586 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: to count it, but several hundred days maybe, I don't know. 587 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 2: So you're now the richest man on earth? Do you 588 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: still sleep at the office, Well, that's true, maybe Mars, 589 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 2: we'll find someone else. 590 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 3: But I think if someone is a sovereign head of 591 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 3: a country there to facto richer by a lot. 592 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: Do you still sleep at the office now? 593 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 4: I have sometimes slept at the office. Yeah, don't forget. 594 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: We do this show Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Hit that 595 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: subscriber auto download button from the White House. It's been 596 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: a pleasure. Thanks for being with us. 597 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 4: Some verdict. 598 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: We'll see you guys back here in a couple of days.