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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth podcast, the Whoa Get Read Abe Bambalam?

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Speaker 1: WHOA Get Read Abe Bambalam edition as we preview Sunday's

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Speaker 1: season opener against the dreaded, hated, but grudgingly respected Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, I'll go one on one with former Steeler

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Speaker 1: Mike Hilton. You'll also hear from Joe Burrow, Joe Mixon

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Speaker 1: and other Bengals players. And then, and I know the

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Speaker 1: faux segment, we chat with former Steelers offensive lineman Max Starks,

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Speaker 1: the greatest thing since this week's Ruler of the Jungle.

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Speaker 1: The atmosphere of This Sunday at pay Course Stadium is

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Speaker 1: going to be incredible as Bengals fans welcome back to

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Speaker 1: defending AFC champs, and I couldn't be more thrilled that

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Speaker 1: the team has selected my broadcast partner, Dave Lapham to

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Speaker 1: be the ruler of the jungle and lead fans in

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Speaker 1: the hooday chant before the game. Lap spent ten seasons

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Speaker 1: in a Bengal's uniform and this is his thirty seventh

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Speaker 1: year in the broadcast booth. Aside from Mike Brown and

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Speaker 1: members of his family, nobody has been more closely associated

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Speaker 1: ovation he receives when he takes the throne on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait for that day somewhere down the

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Speaker 1: road when lap is inducted into the Bengals Ring of Honor.

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Speaker 1: He is a great broadcaster and a better friend. Now

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Speaker 1: time to preview Sunday's game against the Steelers, beginning with

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Speaker 1: my converse with Bengals quarterback Mike Hilton. Mike, you are

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Speaker 1: It's still a big deal, Number one, because it's a

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Speaker 1: You were there for four seasons and part of a fifth,

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Speaker 1: so you know Mike Tomlin, well, he's never had a

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Speaker 1: losing season in fifteen years as a head coach. That's

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Speaker 1: You had a great first year in Cincinnati. A couple

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Speaker 1: pressure of where he was drafted. And that's that's not

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Speaker 1: on him. That's on Ryan Pace, I think was the

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Speaker 1: general manager at that time, and uh he no longer

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Speaker 1: as the general manager the Chicago Bears. And this week's

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Speaker 1: no the Foe segment. Former Pittsburgh offensive lineman Max Starks,

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Speaker 1: who is now part of the Steelers broadcast team, joined

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Speaker 1: lapping me on the Bengals Game Plan show. Well, Max,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, You're a hell of a player,

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Speaker 1: a big man. My understanding is the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive

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Speaker 1: line is the lowest paid offensive line in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. My thing is, why don't they have you

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Speaker 1: go out there play, play a little tackle, give you

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Speaker 1: a little bit of money, I mean, change your job

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Speaker 1: description a little bit. What would you think about that? Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: after seeing Jason Peters at forty getting on practice squad,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it didn't cross my mind, but I

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Speaker 1: think I think I'm beyond my prime. I like the

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Speaker 1: way my knees feel. I hear that. Well, Max, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that offensive line because both of these teams

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Speaker 1: have a lot of changes up front. The Bengals signed

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Speaker 1: three free agents who will start on the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers signed a couple of It is that the

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Speaker 1: Steelers biggest question mark in your mind going into the season.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be one of one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest question marks. I think when you look at last

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Speaker 1: year and then this year needing to bring in two

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Speaker 1: free agents, something that means similar You look at the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: the same kind of situation where it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: youth and a lot of inexperience. So how do you

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Speaker 1: how do you supplement that you have to go out

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Speaker 1: and you have to get guys in free agency? But David,

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Speaker 1: you can you can talk about this as well. It

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Speaker 1: takes pack forward offensive line to jail. It's not like

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Speaker 1: I could put five of the best guys out there

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Speaker 1: and they're just gonna get it immediately. Like it's a

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Speaker 1: certain nuanced type of position where you have to feel comfortable,

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Speaker 1: you have to get in a group with one another,

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Speaker 1: to understand the responsibilities, how they think, how they communicate. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it is going to be one of the

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Speaker 1: questions that I'm especially gonna be watching very closely this season.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. Max. It's like, you

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Speaker 1: know these guys, Okay, you pick up a center that's

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Speaker 1: one two Super Bowl US what the Patriots? The right

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Speaker 1: guard won a Super Bowl with the Bucks, comment on

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Speaker 1: the name of Tom Brady's quarterback. You pick up a

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Speaker 1: tackle that playoff games with the Cowboys. They've all seen it,

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Speaker 1: they all know what it's supposed to look like. They've

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Speaker 1: all had success, but they haven't played a snap next

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Speaker 1: to each other. And people like, you know, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: come on, and if you want five to play like one,

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Speaker 1: it takes a little bit of time. It doesn't happen overnight.

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Speaker 1: You're right, Oh no, absolutely not. I mean you look

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Speaker 1: at when Cleveland had a really good offensive line. They

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Speaker 1: played together for a couple of years, Dallas for a

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Speaker 1: long time. They had played together for a number of years,

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Speaker 1: and it took time. It took multiple drafts over many

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Speaker 1: years to get them all on the same page. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's where you know I'm making this comparison.

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Speaker 1: I said, it's a crock pot, not a microwave. When

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Speaker 1: you're trying to create a great offensive line, it just

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Speaker 1: it takes time and you have the right pieces, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I love the pieces you guys have with Harris,

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Speaker 1: Kapita and Collins, but it once they never played together.

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Speaker 1: They've had individual successes at different places, but it's gonna

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Speaker 1: take time for them to get together. That's a great analogy.

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Speaker 1: Can I steal that? Yeah? I will give you credit.

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Speaker 1: Your credit for it. Max Starks as our guest former

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Speaker 1: steelersz Ligneman, now part of their broadcast team. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about quarterback. They signed Mitchell Trubisky in the offseason, then

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Speaker 1: they drafted Kenny Pickett in the first round. He was

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Speaker 1: the first quarterback selected in this year's draft. Was there

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Speaker 1: any doubt in your mind that Trubisky would be the

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Speaker 1: starter to begin the season and how did he look

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Speaker 1: to you at training camp? Yeah? I wondered. I wondered

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Speaker 1: how open the competition was going to be, and if

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Speaker 1: things are all equal, would Mitch be able to overcome

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Speaker 1: Mason who'd been in the system, And obviously Kenny Pickett

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Speaker 1: being a first round pick. But you know, as I

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Speaker 1: went through camp, as I watched if Mitch impressed me.

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Speaker 1: Mitch had a cool, calm, collected nature about him. He

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Speaker 1: didn't get frazzled, he didn't get frustrated. He was a

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Speaker 1: very good communicator with the rest of his team, and

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Speaker 1: I think that was one of the things that sold

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Speaker 1: me on the leadership aspect. Right, the quarterback has to

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Speaker 1: be the unequivocal leader. And when I looked at what

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Speaker 1: he had to offer, plus he had a winning record,

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Speaker 1: plus he knows what it takes to get to the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: I'd say, well, it's undoubtedly he's going to be the guy.

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Speaker 1: Probably after week two of preseason, I was pretty sold

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Speaker 1: on it. And then you know, for Kadomlin to come

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Speaker 1: out and give that blessing, I thought was the final.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously the final when the coach gives you

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Speaker 1: the blessing the head coach. But I thought I thought

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Speaker 1: he was the right man for the job of the

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Speaker 1: three So defensively to the Pittsburgh Steelers, Keith Butler retires,

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Speaker 1: Terrell Austin takes over. He'd been on the staff. He

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Speaker 1: and Mike Tomlin have a history, and then Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: also brings in Brian Flores as a linebacker, coach, senior

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Speaker 1: defensive assistant. They've all got, you know, Brian Flores. Just

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Speaker 1: like I'm blitz, I'm gonna play man behind it. You know,

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Speaker 1: Butler was zone blitz kind of guy. Mike Tomlin has

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Speaker 1: his kind of philosophy deef pensively. What is it going

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Speaker 1: to be? What do you think? Will it be a mix?

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Speaker 1: Will Mike Tomlin say this is what we're doing. I

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Speaker 1: don't care what you guys say. How how do you

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Speaker 1: think those meetings are gone? What kind of inputs do

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Speaker 1: you think's going on there? Well? I think General Austin

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Speaker 1: has has the ultimate say, I mean the one. The

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Speaker 1: good thing about Mike Tomlin is is that he allows

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Speaker 1: his coaches to coach, and he allows his coordinators to

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Speaker 1: have the autonomy, which is nice. And I think having

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Speaker 1: a Brian Flores gives you a different perspective and a

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Speaker 1: different eye to look at defensive concepts, especially when you're

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Speaker 1: looking at offenses and how to combat them. So I

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Speaker 1: think I think it's a good marriage and a good

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Speaker 1: mix of everything. And we've seen it all throughout camp,

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Speaker 1: so I expect them to be varied. Obviously, in today's

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Speaker 1: NFL with the with the prevalence of eleven personnel, you're

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Speaker 1: going to see a lot more nickel and sub package

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Speaker 1: that you will see base fronts. So I think from

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Speaker 1: that perspective, you have to stay flexible, especially when you're

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Speaker 1: playing in the NFL, because I mean teams around this

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Speaker 1: league they change year in and year out, this high turnover,

549
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Speaker 1: so you can't really be traditional like Keith Butler was

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Speaker 1: for such a long time that that I were also

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Speaker 1: joined on Wednesday's show by former Bengal safety Solomon Wilcotts,

552
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Speaker 1: who hosts the opening Drive show on Sirius XM NFL

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Speaker 1: Radio and the Believe in Bengals podcast with Adam Jones.

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Speaker 1: Here's a few minutes of our conversation with Sally, beginning

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Speaker 1: with his thoughts son Joe Burrow, the guy is here

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Speaker 1: to win. He's here for nothing else. You don't see

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Speaker 1: the big time endorsements. You don't see us face flast

558
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Speaker 1: all over every opportunity, and trust me, he's got plenty.

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Speaker 1: He's here to win. That's his goal. It's a single,

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Speaker 1: solitary focus. I think it's refreshing to have young people

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Speaker 1: like that. Who really understand what's about. And the guy's

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Speaker 1: a force multiplier because everyone else they say, well, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what he's doing. And that's he's that

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Speaker 1: kind of leader. And like you've mentioned there, he's one

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Speaker 1: of those guys first one of the building laughs to leave.

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Speaker 1: So now other guys in the team, Look what Joe's doing?

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Speaker 1: Am I doing enough? Man White, Joe didn't have to

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Speaker 1: be in here for a listen, I've better pick it up.

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Speaker 1: That stuff. Man that builds, That builds good stuff. The

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Speaker 1: stories coming out of his hometown and they're real, you know,

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Speaker 1: but they're legendary. They become folklore, you hear right, it's

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Speaker 1: like bo Jackson, you know. But but these are all

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Speaker 1: about strength of character stuff like that's it's not like

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Speaker 1: these superhuman physical athletic feats. It's just what kind of

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Speaker 1: kid he is, what kind of young many of who

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Speaker 1: his parents are and what they're about, and how they

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Speaker 1: taught him. And you could see it playing out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I talked to some friends I was

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Speaker 1: watching him a senior year at LSU, I said, look,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy that could have quit because he's

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Speaker 1: a hometown boy and the biggest school in the in

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Speaker 1: the state, one of the best in the nation, told him,

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Speaker 1: we don't want you anymore. Ohio State told him, and

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Speaker 1: the ant want him. And he found a team, found

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Speaker 1: a place, and look what he did with it. I

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Speaker 1: think that tells you a lot about who he Look

587
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Speaker 1: what he did for us. Took him twenty five games,

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Speaker 1: all you know, twenty five games, and he took us

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Speaker 1: from down here to hear. We ought to appreciate this

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Speaker 1: and enjoy the ride. Sali, you were a training camp.

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Speaker 1: You two guys did a broadcast together for sirius XM radio.

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Speaker 1: What stood out to you being around this team this

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Speaker 1: year during camp? They're better, They're just better. Um T

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Speaker 1: Higgins is better, monster big, but he's big. And now

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Speaker 1: you could tell two years, the first two years, even

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Speaker 1: the second half of last year, he was a different

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Speaker 1: player than he was in the beginning of last year.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you right now, I think I think

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, I think his arrival has awakened something in

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Speaker 1: in t. You could see that in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But you I just love his energy, I love his

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Speaker 1: size advantage. I love he's got fly paper hands that

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Speaker 1: if he wants to go up and possess it at

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Speaker 1: the highest point he's coming down with the ball. He's

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Speaker 1: got Randy Moss, like you know, dimensions to his to

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Speaker 1: his skill set, So um defend it's a line. I

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00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: think they're deeper. I think they're they have a better rotation.

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Speaker 1: I think the secondary has a better rotation and have

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Speaker 1: more speed and versatility on the back end. So I

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Speaker 1: think we'll be better defensively. Clearly, our offensive line is

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Speaker 1: gonna be better. I mean that's like, that's easy. You

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Speaker 1: didn't bring me here to tell you that. But no,

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Speaker 1: we're And then the players, Jamar Chase is going to

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Speaker 1: be better. Year number two is gonna be better. Remember

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Speaker 1: he didn't play his final year in college twenty twenties

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Speaker 1: set out, so last year was this real curve. He

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Speaker 1: hit a wall, he persevered, and you see the numbers

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Speaker 1: he put up. Think about now, with a real offseason

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Speaker 1: to train, what he's gonna look like. So I think

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Speaker 1: we're better in a lot of different ways from the

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Speaker 1: neck up, psychologically and academically in terms of knowing what

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Speaker 1: to do in lineman and assignment stuff. There'll be a

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Speaker 1: better football team. Before I wrap things up, here's an

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Speaker 1: invitation to join us at the Buffalo Wings and Rings

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Speaker 1: location in Oakley from the Bengals Pepper Rally show this

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Speaker 1: Friday from three to six. Mike Hilton will join us

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Speaker 1: in the final hour of that show, and we'll have

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Speaker 1: plenty of giveaways throughout. That's going to do it for

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