1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: And here we are welcome to the Drive. I am 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: Dale LOLLI he is the Matt Williamson and it is 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: a trying to do a lovely Wednesday here in Pittsburgh. Yeah, 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: the sun is now out. The rain has stopped. It 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: has kind of really started last Friday and kind of 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: continued one right, kind of matched up with the mood 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: of the city with the Steelers loss on Sunday. Bit, Yeah, 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: we didn't have any rain before that in September. Steelers 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: lose that weekend. It rained the entire weekend. Go figure. 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: And now it's clearing up. Because now it's. 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: Clearing up and it's supposed to be a nice altar 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: the weekend. 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: So there you have it. 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: Coincidence, I don't know, We'll see on Sundays. We have 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: a Steelers injury report here from practice today, I should 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 2: say practice report. Russell Wilson again limited today, although I 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: can't say that he did do more than what he 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: had done and it's pretty vague term, very vague term. 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: Jalen Warren did not practice. Nick Herbig did not practice. 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: Alex high Smith did not practice. He's already been declared out. 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: Isaac Saamlu a full participant in practice today, Michael Pruitt 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: did not practice, Cordero Patterson did not practice, and Keanu 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: Benton was a limited participant in practice today. With that 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: ankle injury, Tomorrow is going to be a much more 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 2: telling day. Mike Tomlins said his news conference on Tuesday 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: that you know, the expectation was for some of these 30 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: guys to be slowed early in the week and then 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: we'll see where it goes from there. 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: Okay, Benton and Herbig is the kind of states. 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, most of these guys are more veteran guys that 34 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: if they don't practice, it's not going to be the 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: end of the world. 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: Pretty deep in the season where there's a lot of 37 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: bumps and bruises and stuff like that. 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Jeremiah Moon who was designated to return today, 39 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: he he was a full participant in practice today. They 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: could use him. 41 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, he might be in the mix, I mean, or 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: at least ten to fifteen snaps something like that. Herbert 43 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: doesn't play a lot more. 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's gonna be Herbert came back 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 2: and played in that game. You know, Benton played through 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: that injury. I don't think those are are going to 47 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: be uh you know. 48 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: Those two I think are most likely that you mentioned 49 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: that are yeah, probably gonna to be out there. 50 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: We'll see about Jayla morn and U and Cordell Patterson. 51 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: I didn't see Patterson today anywhere at the facility. 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: Really. 53 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: He does a good job of hiding those savvy veteran 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: I had to wait him out. I'm working on a 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 2: feature story for Steelers dot Com on him, and I 56 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: finally had to go to PR and say, hey, uh, 57 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: can you guys help me get him because you're never 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: in a locker room and they're like, yeah, he kind 59 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: of does that on purpose. 60 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: He knows the trick. 61 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: So he didn't well last week. He didn't want to 62 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: answer a lot of questions about Jaylen Warren and whether 63 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: he was going to be the number two bad all 64 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. 65 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: And you want to speak for him. 66 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: He's a good speaker, Like when you talk to him, 67 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: he's very thoughtful and gives you good answers. He just doesn't, 68 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, necessarily. 69 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: Like to do it, love to do it or and 70 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: he knows how to avoid it apparently better around the block. 71 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you're a veteran guy, you kind of yeah, 72 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: figure those like before I got him, Yes, the last Friday, 73 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: just pull back the curtin a little bit of here 74 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: what the players can do at the facility. I followed 75 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: him right into the locker room. They were practicing indoors 76 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: on Friday, and I'm all right, I see him leaving, 77 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: I'm following him straight in. I'm gonna get him. 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: He puts his. 79 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: Stuff in in the uh in on and off the field. Yes, yeah, 80 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: And I've got one of the Steelers pr people with me, 81 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: Makaiah Cherry, and she goes and grabs, Hey, you're gonna 82 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: talk now, And he's like, yeah, I'm gonna go get 83 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: a haircut before everybody else gets in here. I want 84 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: to get my haircut. They have a barber in the 85 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: nacility because you need that kind of stuff. But people 86 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: don't think about this. These guys show up large a 87 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: lot of times. It's still dark out. Oh yeah, when 88 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: they leave the facility at night, it's dark. 89 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 90 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: I mean they put in long, long days, you know, 91 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: worth five six days a week. 92 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: I have to tell my Brown's haircut story too, So 93 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: we even logged more hours in the players. I mean 94 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: we would get in there and stay late, late, late, 95 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 3: and plus i'dn't have a family to go home to 96 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 3: that with. My wife was back here in Pittsburgh, and 97 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: my buddy James didn't either. So I grew up a 98 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 3: Steeler fan. He grew up a Falcons fan. Would watch victape. 99 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: I'd watch Roethlisberger rookie tape like it might be all right, 100 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: and we'd eat ice cream and you know, use the 101 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: soda and stuff like that. You know, like they don't 102 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 3: want you to. There's no reason really to leave those 103 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: facilities if you don't have to, Like, for example, like 104 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: you'd hang your dry cleaning. It doesn't even have to 105 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: be brown stuff, and next day in your locker is 106 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: clean dry cleaning. You know, things like that. So we 107 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: too had a barber. Well, our director of pro scouting 108 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: comes up and I'm like, just get a haircut. I mean, 109 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: I'm new right here. I'm like, I couldn't believe that 110 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: service was available. It's like yeah, I'm like you didn't 111 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: leave him, Like, yeah, he's down in the locker room. 112 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: There's the barber's there. Now I go down. I'm standing 113 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 3: in the line with a bunch of players and stuff, 114 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 3: and it's about my time to go up, and a 115 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 3: lot of people are chuckling, you know, and I'm like, 116 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: let's see what's real funny here, And the African American 117 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 3: barber says, unless you want me to shave all that off? 118 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 3: So I don't really know what to do with it. Yeah, 119 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: the Caucasian barber comes tomorrow. I'm like, I didn't think 120 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: of that. Okay, sorry, I'll be back. Players got to 121 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: kick out it. I think you should have gone for it, 122 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: just take it all off. Yeah I could have. 123 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you wouldn't move a haircut again, maybe the rest 124 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: of the. 125 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: Season, right, and you're doing with it? 126 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and it might have lasted you your entire 127 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: tenure with the Browns. 128 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 3: That's probably true. And we don't do these YouTube things 129 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: then either what one bit what I look like? 130 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: For those of you that don't know or new listeners 131 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: to the show, Matt was employed what was it, three 132 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty four years? 133 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the day after they drafted Winslow until 134 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: the day after we drafted Braylin. Yeah, so one one 135 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: contract one calendar, So three coaches and two gms and 136 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of employees come and go. 137 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the Browns is the Browns. 138 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're pretty bad. 139 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: Everybody keeps their head down. Nobody wants anybody to know 140 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: you're actually in the office because they start looking at 141 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: what's that guy do. 142 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: I mean I did a lot of road trips and 143 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: scouting trips and stuff like that, and every time I'd 144 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: come back to my desk, there was like a new 145 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: employee list, you know, because somebody got fired or left 146 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: or whatever. Every time failure. Yeah, I think the Seiler one, 147 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: you could probably put it there for the year and 148 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: it's gonna be fine. 149 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: You know, it might be the same one from five years. 150 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 3: I mean, everything was the building was under construction. They 151 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: were introducing that Brownie thing. That mascot, I mean. 152 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: Like that is there was They actually have two mascots, right, 153 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: like they can't just they've got a They've got a bulldog. 154 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: Yeah I believe it's a bulldog and yeah, and then 155 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: they have the Keepler Elf, the sprout. Growing up, it's 156 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: literally the Kebler Elf. 157 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, growing up in Steeler Land, I'm like, can anything 158 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: just ever be the same. 159 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: Three coaches, three coaches in a year, so there was 160 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: that it's not real conducive. 161 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: The haircut story didn't work out as planned. 162 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: Got some news today out of Dallas, and this isn't 163 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: good news either for the Cowboys. No Brandon Cooks this week. 164 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: No Brandon Cooks partson has been rolled out. Lawrence. We 165 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: knew Cooks isn't a great player, but man. 166 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: You have to respect the speed on the outside the 167 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 2: other side of Lamb. 168 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: Right, I mean they kind of are now in the 169 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: situation where Lamb and Ferguson kind of looked like friar 170 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: Muth and Pickens to me, like everybody else's yeah, they'll 171 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: chip in, but it's going to be a two man 172 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: show where the ball. 173 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: Goes to your point on that and this little preview 174 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: here this will be part of five for Friday, probably 175 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: be the lead to five to five for Friday. If 176 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: you look at Friarmuth and Ferguson in terms of their 177 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: production this thus far this year. Everybody knows especial especially 178 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: the people who play fantasy football. Right now, Dallas Goddard 179 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: leads all tight ends in receptions and it's largely based 180 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: off of the last two games, but he has twenty 181 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: four catches on twenty eight targets. 182 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: I mean in a tight end wasteland. Yeah, then you're 183 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: looking at really low. 184 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: Brock Bowers, the rookie with the Raiders, has twenty catches 185 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: on twenty four targets. Then it's Cole come Met with 186 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: eighteen catches on twenty targets, and then it's Friarmuth with 187 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: seventeen catches on twenty targets. And right after him is Ferguson. 188 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: He has sixteen catches, but in only three games. 189 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: He missed the game too. 190 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: He missed a game. The thing you notice about that 191 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: low target numbers for these guys, but high percentages of completions. 192 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: So when you do throw to the tight end in 193 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: today's NFL, it's almost like. 194 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 3: Stealing a bunch of cover two. 195 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, because as the cover too stuff, right. I asked 196 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: Friarmuth about it today, I said, our teams kind of 197 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: you see all this cover too, you would think that 198 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: tight end usage and production would be up. You're not 199 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: being across the board though. 200 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: You think they'd be tight ends galore and fantasy, you know, 201 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: and there isn't any stretchy But some of the injury here. 202 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the guys, some of the the old 203 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: standbys have not produced. 204 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: Andrews Kelsey some time. Yeah, right, But injuries are a 205 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: big part of that as well. You know, we've got 206 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 3: guys doing nothing. Yeah, guys missing games. You would think 207 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: guys like Pits, But Pits is different. If you look 208 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: at the guys who are here on the top of 209 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: the list and you look for a comparison with those guys, 210 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: a lot of like all right, Goddard isn't a true blocking, 211 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 3: blocking tight end, but he's a two way, do it all. 212 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: He's a two way, do it all guy, and they 213 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: don't have anybody else, right, you know, Friar Moose a 214 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: good two way tight end. You know Ferguson's uh, you know, 215 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: more of a two way tight end. These are the 216 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: guys that are getting the catches because they're running that 217 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: stuff to the middle of the field. The tight ends 218 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: like Pits, who are outside the numbers and things of 219 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: that nature, we're running more downfield stuff. They're not getting 220 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: any catches. 221 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: I know, we're not here to talk about Cayle Pits anymore, 222 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: but he might be a bust. I mean, like he 223 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: might just be that's a strong word, but it might 224 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: be he's just a big receiver and if he can't 225 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: be corners, then we don't care if you're a receiver, 226 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 3: you know. But Friarmuth is the only tight end the 227 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 3: league that has four or more catches every week. 228 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 4: You know. 229 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: That's the consistency. He doesn't much more. He's seventeen for 230 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: the year over four. But Ferguson over the last two weeks, 231 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: I think he has nineteen targets. Yeah, I mean, because 232 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 3: even that. 233 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: They don't have a number. They don't have a true 234 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: number two either. 235 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: No. 236 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: Right, it's similar, especially with Cooks out he's anything resembling it. 237 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you look at the Steelers production 238 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: thus far, George Pickens has twenty catches for two hundred 239 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: and eighty four yards. All the other wide receivers on 240 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: the roster combined have fourteen for one to ninety two. 241 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: They do have a touchdown that the Austin touchdown. So 242 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: there it is. Friarmouth with seventeen catch is it's only 243 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: for one hundred and fifty six yards, but he's moving 244 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: the chains. 245 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: But in front of those safeties. Yeah, you know, right, 246 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: and I think that is a nice cheap way to 247 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, I mean kind of like stealing. It's 248 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: a cheap way to get some yardage. And they've schemed 249 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: him up well. Pickens has fifty percent of the Steelers 250 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: air yards. I mean they throw them deep. He gets 251 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,119 Speaker 3: the most targets, you know, you mentioned compared to other receivers. 252 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: So he's gonna get a lot of digs Lamb's gonna 253 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: get a lot of porter. 254 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 255 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: You know, maybe it comes down to which one of 256 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: those two is the bigger factor. Exactly exactly, the Steelers 257 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: will be. 258 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: The more successful team running the football. 259 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: I absolutely think so. Yeah, Dallas is bad at it, and. 260 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: Their run defenses and their run defense is but it's 261 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 2: a bad combination. 262 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: Really. They allow one point one more yards on the 263 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: ground than they produce. That's per play, per play. Yeah, 264 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: that's a really big that's a huge, huge number. 265 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, huge number. 266 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 267 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: They don't control the line of scrimmage. 268 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: At all, and their backs aren't particularly good. 269 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you would think with their guards, because their 270 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: guards are good, guards are real good, that they would 271 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: control the line of scrimmage offensively better than what they do. 272 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 3: It surprises me and even the rookie center hasn't been 273 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: Phoebe hasn't been Frasier, but he hasn't been bad. No, 274 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,119 Speaker 3: the tackles are so so. I mean, Geiiten's a good prospect, 275 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 3: but he's not super strong. And they paid Steel a 276 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: year or two ago. I bet they're kind of regretting it. 277 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: He's a blow average right tackle. Yeah, but you would 278 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: think they'd be able to run the ball a little better. 279 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 280 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: The ball carriers aren't very good. 281 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: No, they aren't. I mean but in previous year, like 282 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: Daldell showed more juice last year than he did. I mean, 283 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 2: there were times last year where you're like he might 284 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 2: be better than Tony Pollard. 285 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 4: Yeah. 286 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: At times, Yeah, I thought he was interesting. You know, 287 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 3: Zeke being pretty shot doesn't surprise me. 288 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: No, he's slow. 289 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: The thing about Zeke, though, is what's interesting for this 290 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: game is he's still really good in protection. Yeah, so 291 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: how are we going to help Steele? I wonder if 292 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 3: that means more snaps for Zeke to DA's right, you know, 293 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: just because of protection, you need to get Ferguson out 294 00:12:59,200 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: on the route. 295 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: You don't want him right, you don't want him chipping 296 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 2: right right. Yeah, that's a good point. And if I'm 297 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: the Steelers, I want to get Cam Hayward over Geyton 298 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: if I can do that and just have him attack 299 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: a rookie. As you mentioned, he's not the stoutest guy. 300 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I saw him at the at the Senior 301 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: Bowl and I actually commented to him like, dude, you 302 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: look like a power forward. 303 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: He's long and he's pretty, but he's not doesn't have 304 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: a lot of sand his pant. 305 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not. There's not much here in terms of that. 306 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: And there's no better bull rusher with that arm lockout 307 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: than Cam Hayward in the league. Yeah, even now. I 308 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: mean when he when he locks that arm, it's locked 309 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: and you're going for a ride. 310 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: And he will line up in a four eye, which 311 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: is a four inside which is to the tackles inside 312 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: shoulder a lot. But that's more of the three four 313 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: stuff though too. I mean you need Batton on the 314 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: field probably to have him that wide, especially if you're 315 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: an the other day. 316 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 2: And they have done some stuff though at times where 317 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: they've kind of stood Cam up on the outside on 318 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: the tackle as well if they want that matchup in 319 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: some key situation. So I could see them maybe doing 320 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: that and it makes some sense, you know, even some 321 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: stunts just to get him driving, you know, driving the 322 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 2: rookie out. Yeah, and maybe clear something up for one 323 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: of the inside backers or you know, the outside backers 324 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: looping around. 325 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: Maybe use a little more leal as a bull rusher, 326 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: I mean, like yeah, I mean because herbig's more going 327 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: to beat you around the edge and speed. You know, 328 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: high Smith would have probably used a lot of power, 329 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: a lot of bull rush on them, you know what 330 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: I mean. And it's just different style. Styles makes fit 331 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: type of thing, you know. 332 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this that, you know, digging on 333 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: Dak Prescott and this isn't necessarily against the Blitz, but 334 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: his numbers against pressure are excellent, are really good. This year. 335 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: He hasn't been pressured a ton, It's like the sixth 336 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: to least amount of six lowest amount of pressure in 337 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: the league. But when he has been pressured, he's twenty 338 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: one of thirty three, has averaged eight point nine yards 339 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: per attempt, has five passing touchdowns and no interceptions. His 340 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: passer rating is one thirty one point eight, which is standing. 341 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: That's when he's under pressure, under pressure, yeah, that's when 342 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 3: people are bearing down on. 343 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: Blow we're not pressured seventy five of one's sixteen at 344 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: six point seven yards per attempt, one touchdown, two interceptions, 345 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: in the passer rating seventy nine point six. 346 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: I mean, it's really really rare for a quarterback to 347 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: end up having better numbers at the end of the 348 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: year when pressured than not. But the fact if you're 349 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: even close is really a. 350 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you don't want to pressure him. I just 351 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: don't know, Like, well, let's just hang up, But I 352 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: just don't know that you want to blitz him. 353 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: That's where I was going to go with it. He 354 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: has not been blitzed much really over the last couple 355 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: of years, and I don't know why it is, but 356 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: he never gets the credit of being incredibly smart at 357 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. He's a microprocessor at the line 358 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: of scrimmage. He sees the blitz coming, he knows how 359 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: to beat it, and the league knows it now, Like 360 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: we're not going to fool him. You know, he's really sharp. 361 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: And typically they've had guys that he could get the 362 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: ball too quickly, who were good pass catchers that could 363 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: hurt you. I don't know that they have that now. 364 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: But even Lamb has been a little interesting this year, 365 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 3: Like I'm not really there's this new metric about separation 366 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 3: and all that, and I don't usually even cite it, 367 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: you know, because I'm not sure I believe it yet. 368 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: But he was open a lot more last year than 369 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: he was this year, you know, like it's been a 370 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: lot of tight windows stuff. It's been a lot of 371 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: forcing it to them and part of it which. 372 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: Again they don't have anybody else to throw to, and 373 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: so you're like, I. 374 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: Might give Porter more help than I usually do in 375 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: this game that reason, you know. 376 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 2: I mean, he's through four games and he has twenty catches, 377 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: the same amount as George Pickens, and they're not considered 378 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: in that same like if you're talking about, well, who's 379 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: the better receiver, people would automatically say, ceedee, Lamb's some 380 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: more dangerous guy. 381 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 3: And he was like the first receiver taken in Fantasy. 382 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: I mean, like he was unbelievable. 383 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, they don't run the ball at all, 384 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: as we mentioned earlier, so there you should be more 385 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: relying on CD Lamb, and they haven't been overly relying 386 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: on them. 387 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: They're another team. They're not as bad as the Colts, 388 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: but they don't run many plays. Their time possession is bad, 389 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: you know. I mean it's another thing instance just not 390 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: being out on the field enough either. Yeah. 391 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson. 392 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here 393 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. When Matt and I return, 394 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: will be joined by Bob Labriola, the Dean of Doom. Yeah, 395 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: right after this. 396 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 397 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 398 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 399 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is 400 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson, and we now welcome on to the 401 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: show here the Dean of Doom, the Lord of living 402 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: in his fears, Bob Labriola, Editor of Steeler's digestive Steelers 403 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: dot Com. Bob, we just heard that Zip recruiter commercial 404 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: where they said all the f words. How many f 405 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 2: wards were uttered in the Labriola household on on Sunday. 406 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 4: Uh, not as many as throughout Steelers Nation. I was. 407 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 2: Just judging from the reaction that we've gotten to that game. 408 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the sky is falling, you know, I mean, right, 409 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 4: isn't it. 410 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously they were the Steelers were going to 411 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 2: go seventeen and oh, you know, I understand people being 412 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: upset disappointed with the loss and those kind of things, 413 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: but there were some things there that I you know, 414 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: Matt and I talked about it on Monday, Bob that 415 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 2: quite frankly, in the previous few seasons, if the Steelers 416 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: fell behind seventeen nothing in the first quarter, that game was. 417 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: Over and lost the turnover battle. 418 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you know, and I I really 419 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 5: I had legitimate I guess hope when it was twenty 420 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 5: seven to twenty four, you know, until that box snap 421 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 5: on the in the shotgun, I did too. 422 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 4: I was going to say that, you know, and I 423 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: know that goes against character for me, but yeah, I 424 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 4: thought they were gonna win. And because I thought that 425 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin would go for it, I don't think I 426 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 4: didn't think he was going to play for a tie, so, 427 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 4: you know, but I mean, you know, it didn't happen, 428 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 4: and I think I remember, I think it was you, 429 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 4: Matt who in the pregame show, you know, as we 430 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 4: were at iHeart Studios getting ready to do our part 431 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 4: of the pregame show, which starts at eleven for a 432 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 4: one o'clock game. I think I heard you saying it's 433 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 4: really tough to win four in a row in the NFL. 434 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, you know, so. 435 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 4: You know, and the thing that's what that wears me out, 436 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 4: I guess is the where I ware to put it is, 437 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 4: you know everything everybody wants to draw conclusions immediately. You know, 438 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 4: the running game wasn't very effective, and so now you 439 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 4: know you can't You've got to find somebody else. You 440 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 4: can't play nausea anymore. You can't run those plays anymore, 441 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 4: you know, you whatever it is, the Colts complete some 442 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 4: passes in the middle of the field. The scheme is terrible. 443 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 4: Those guys can't play the inside linebackers stink. I mean, 444 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 4: you know, it's I don't know, as I said, everybody 445 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 4: seems to be drawn, want want to draw conclusions immediately 446 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: after after you know, one game or one aspect of 447 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 4: one game. And you know, it just seemed to me 448 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 4: too that a lot of the things that every that 449 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 4: the Steelers were getting praised for in the first three wins, 450 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 4: now all of a sudden after that last game. You know, 451 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 4: their secondary stinks. The secondary look pretty good for three 452 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 4: straight weeks, but now it stinks. And again everything is 453 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 4: one way or the other. It's absolute you know, daisies 454 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 4: and unicorns or uh, you know, rip and cut and 455 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: you know whatever it might be. So again, I remember 456 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 4: tounch Oak and always talking about how, you know, every 457 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 4: four weeks of an NFL season, everything kind of resets itself. 458 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: You know, there are no there are no super Bowls 459 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 4: won in September and most times, and my you know, 460 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 4: recollection and my experience, the teams that are really good 461 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: in September or have a really good record in September, 462 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 4: or you know whatever they're doing really well, they're they're 463 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 4: they're not the teams that are in that last game 464 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 4: in February. So I don't know. I keep thinking of 465 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 4: was it Kevin Bacon in Animal House? 466 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 467 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 4: I mean I wouldn't go so far as to say 468 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: all as well, because it's obvious that there are things 469 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 4: that need to be improved upon, worked on, changed adjusted 470 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 4: all of that stuff. Absolutely, But I mean the gloom 471 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 4: and doom and you know, fire and cut and you know, 472 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 4: all of that stuff, it's just such an overreaction. 473 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 3: An area is starting to concern me. And we are 474 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 3: getting some good news on Isaac Cumalu being back, but 475 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 3: just a rash of injuries on the offensive line and 476 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: too much change for my liking, you know, I would 477 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 3: love to have and we've got a little spoiled here 478 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: the last couple of years or in the pouncy era 479 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: of set it and forget it. These are my starting five, 480 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: and it's just been constant shuffling. 481 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: Absolutely, yes, and that that really was that that one 482 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 4: st what was it two years in a row where 483 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 4: not only did the starting five start all the games, 484 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 4: but they were playing like one hundred percent of the 485 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 4: snaps or high ninety percent of the snaps too, And yes, 486 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 4: I would agree with that. And the the other thing 487 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 4: that I also believe is that you know, a roster 488 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 4: can only absorb who absorb so many injuries? I mean 489 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 4: it's then you just, I don't know, you reach critical 490 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 4: mass or whatever the term might be, where you just 491 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 4: you just you know, there's nothing you can do about 492 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 4: it anymore. Uh there, you know you can you know, 493 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 4: the whole next man up concept, you know, is nice 494 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: as a as a coaching phrase, and you know in 495 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 4: those kind of things, But I mean. 496 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: We all know better, right exactly? 497 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 4: I mean you there's only I don't know, there's only 498 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 4: so many hits to a roster or the starting group 499 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 4: that a unit or a team can take. And you 500 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 4: know special And here's the other thing too, When those 501 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 4: injuries happen in game, that's especially debilitating or harmful because 502 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: you know, you've come up with a plan, either offensively 503 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: or defensively, whichever it might be, and you've practiced it 504 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 4: all week. Okay, then you lose somebody now, you know, 505 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 4: fans think will just adjust the scheme and you know, 506 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 4: change it. Well, it's not that easy because even if 507 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 4: you you might be able to identify exactly what the 508 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 4: problem is, but then you can tell players about it. 509 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: But it's not a video game. We reprogram the thing, 510 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 4: and all of the pieces nowhere to go, you know. 511 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: And that's son's true for playing against Flacco all of 512 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 3: a sudden too, Like I got all these questions this week, like, well, 513 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 3: how could they not know who Flacco is? They know 514 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: who Flacco is, but they practiced for Richardson. 515 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 4: You know, right, and that's tremendously different, tremendously different. 516 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 2: And I don't know, Bob, if everybody understands that you 517 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 2: only really have three practices, Yeah, before you play a game, 518 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: three two hour practices, that's what you're limited to by 519 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: the CBA. 520 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 3: So you're concentrating on you're going to see quarterback runs 521 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: and yeah, right right, so yeah. 522 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, and again a thirty nine if he's thirty nine, 523 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 4: thirty nine, forty nine year old Joe Flacco and Anthony Richardson, 524 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 4: they couldn't be on farther ends of the quarterback spectrum than. 525 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: Those two guys. 526 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 4: And so whatever you were planning, however you were planning 527 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 4: to rush Richardson, spy him, whatever the plan was, you know, 528 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 4: for his mobility and dealing with him, none of that 529 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 4: has any application at all to Flacco. 530 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: And Flacco's a much more precision pass, yes, sir, especially On, 531 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: you know, at this point in his career, he's gonna 532 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: pick apart, you know, the soft zones and things of 533 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: that nature. And and if you might have played against 534 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 2: Richardson and. 535 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: You're not gonna throw special especially items in there that 536 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: you didn't practice against Flacco that you would have practiced 537 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: against Flacco, you're gonna play your cover three and your 538 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 3: base stuff, you know, and he knows it. 539 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can't and you can't make twenty year 540 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 4: veteran whatever he is, see ghosts like you were hoping 541 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 4: to make Anthony Richardson see ghosts and throw you the ball. 542 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 4: A couple of times, I remember part of the pregame show, 543 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 4: Mike Pursua made the point, you know, the key for 544 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 4: the Steeler secondary is to catch the ball and richards 545 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 4: throws it. Well, you know, yes, that that's that's a 546 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: very valid point. You look at you know, his his record, 547 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 4: his stats, his the way games went when he played. Yes, 548 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 4: that was definitely something that you could kind of expect 549 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 4: or plan for. You want to make him, as Dick 550 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 4: la Bow would always say, you know, you don't have 551 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 4: to sack the guy all the time. You need to 552 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: make him think he feels pressure and then he makes 553 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 4: a quick decision that you can turn into a mistake. 554 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 4: Well that's that works for Richardson. Yes, good plan. Not Flacco. 555 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 4: And again, it's not like they knew about this Thursday 556 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 4: where you had a day and a half or maybe 557 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 4: you know, a practice and a half, a couple of 558 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 4: days of meetings to you know, and because there was 559 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 4: no even hint that Richardson was even limited in practice 560 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 4: or any of that stuff, you know what I mean. 561 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 4: It wasn't like justin Herbert that situation where if you're thinking, well, 562 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 4: you know, he's gonna have to gut it out, maybe 563 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 4: he's not going to be able to make the whole game. Yeah, no, 564 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 4: you know, no inclination that you weren't going to see 565 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson for sixty minutes. So yeah, work, you know, 566 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 4: aren't that bad. I mean, they're just not. 567 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 2: Certainly not in their own building. 568 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 3: It's not the Patriot Cardinal losses last year, right. 569 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 4: So you know again yes, uh, And and I will say, 570 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 4: and I've said this, I wrote this. The thing that 571 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 4: stung for me was that what you thought you could 572 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 4: count on with this team every week was the defense, 573 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: and you couldn't count on the defense on Sunday. Those 574 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 4: two first two possessions. 575 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: I mean, right, that was a different story. 576 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 4: But yes, uh, you know, the first the first two 577 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 4: plays deep past the Pittman long run by Taylor, I'm thinking, 578 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 4: you know, one or the other, not both, you know, yeah, 579 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: and and in succession like that, and then the next 580 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 4: that's just the same thing. So that to me was 581 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 4: a little disappointing and Uh. In the immediate aftermath of 582 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 4: that game, that was the thing that really was resonating 583 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 4: with me. Was I wrong about this defense? Were we 584 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 4: wrong about this defense? I don't think we were, but 585 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 4: you know it also, it's damaging when what you think 586 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 4: your absolute strength is is attacked successfully right out of 587 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 4: the gate by the opponent. 588 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, Bob. What do you think of 589 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: all the stuff coming out of Las Vegas now with 590 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: the DeVante Adams potential trade situation. 591 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 4: I mean, it hasn't happened yet. 592 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: It hadn't happened yet. No, imagine that, whatever you happen, 593 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: we're heading down this. We're dancing with this again. 594 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 3: You want to talk about about ayuk simwhear too. This 595 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 3: could be the next thing. Let's talk about it every. 596 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 4: Because how's he doing? But anyway, Uh, you know, I 597 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 4: am certainly not opposed to exploring that, Okay, and I 598 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 4: don't I won't argue that it wouldn't help them because 599 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 4: DeVante Adams is a real player. But you know, go 600 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 4: out and get him, do whatever is necessary. That attitude 601 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 4: is ridiculous. It just is because again you're you're, you're, 602 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 4: it's it's an entire roster it's an entire salary cap. 603 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 4: It's beyond one year. I mean, you're looking down the 604 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 4: road at some things. I mean, Omar Kahn is no 605 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 4: dummy or neophyte when it comes to the salary cap. 606 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 4: And people think that he's just looking as far as 607 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 4: the end of his nose in terms of planning for this, 608 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 4: they're delusional. I mean, Omar has years, years down the 609 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 4: road plans, and you know, he presents them to Art 610 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 4: Rooney and they talk about it with Mike Tomlin and 611 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 4: I mean, this, this is you know, this is not 612 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 4: something that you know, strikes the Steelers like it strikes 613 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 4: some foolish talk show host, you know on a on 614 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 4: another station, that hey, yeah, let's do this. 615 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,239 Speaker 2: Every shiny object becomes available, you gotta you gotta give 616 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 2: up whatever you need to give up to get them. 617 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 4: Or you know, like your dog. You have your dog 618 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 4: outside and you're talking to your dog or trying to 619 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 4: change and the squirrel runs by the dog. You know 620 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 4: just what squirrel everything saying whatever is lost? Well that's 621 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 4: what a lot of you know, this kind of uh 622 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 4: talk seems like to me. You just mentioned it. The 623 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 4: next shiny shiny object, so you know, again yes, look 624 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 4: into it. If if, if, if they can make it work, 625 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 4: I'm all in favor of it. Uh, but you got 626 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 4: to have a price what you're willing to pay, not 627 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 4: only in terms of what you're going to give them. 628 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 4: You know they want and who knows whether this is 629 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: true too, But I'll just play along with what I've 630 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 4: been here. They want a second round pick in something else? 631 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 4: What's something else? What's that mean? 632 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 633 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 4: You know, and and I've seen you know, well the Steelers, 634 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 4: why not give a second round pick? They haven't had 635 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 4: a good second round pick in forever. Well how about 636 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 4: Joey Porter Junior and Zach Frazer. 637 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 2: How about how about George Pickens? 638 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, I mean so again, as I said, everything's 639 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 4: going to be an absolute statement. You know, it's it's 640 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 4: black or white, one end of the spectrum or the other. 641 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 4: And I don't know, it kind of wears me out 642 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 4: after a. 643 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 3: While, Bob. 644 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: It's the world that we now live in. Where we 645 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,719 Speaker 2: talked about it the other day, it's almost like everything 646 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: is now the you know, the the election, and we've 647 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: we've seen it with with Fields and Russell Wilson's stuff. 648 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: If you if you say anything positive about Russell Wilson, 649 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: you're you must say justin Fields. If you say anything 650 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: negative about Fields, even mean while talking positively about him, 651 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: well you're just a Russell Wilson apologist. Like there's there's 652 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: no in betweens on anything. You can't you can't possibly 653 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: like both players if you if you have any kind 654 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 2: of criticism of one or the other, or say anything 655 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: positively about one or the other. It's it's just this 656 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 2: is where we're at now. 657 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you know, it seems to me 658 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 4: that somebody who's in the crosshairs right now is nauseie Harris. Yeah, 659 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 4: he stinks. Uh, he can't run the ball. Quit giving 660 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 4: it to him, find somebody else, bench him, cut him, 661 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 4: you know whatever. The ridiculous statements and or proclamations are. Uh, 662 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 4: you know, for me, though, uh, the way I see 663 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 4: it is, you know, this is a guy, This is 664 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 4: a guy who again two weeks ago, he was being 665 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 4: praised or running angry and not going down easy and 666 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 4: you know, being a tough guy and you know, all 667 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 4: of that stuff. And now he's, you know, two weeks 668 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 4: later that he's absolutely the worst. For me, what I 669 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 4: would think a good way to approach. It would be 670 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 4: trying to figure out, you know, the kinds of run 671 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 4: running plays that he's that are being called for him. 672 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 4: Are they they somehow obvious to the defense, because I 673 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 4: truly I don't think I've ever seen a running back 674 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 4: I have so much trouble getting to the line of 675 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 4: scrimmage clean his nausey hairs, nobody that I can remember. 676 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 4: I mean, is it his fault? I don't know. I'm not, 677 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 4: you know, smart enough for that stuff, But darn it, 678 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 4: it seems to me that if you've got to break 679 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 4: two tackles to get through the line of scrimmage, that's 680 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 4: not the running back's fault. 681 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 3: I said yesterday, that's it. Sure seems like linebackers and 682 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: safeties trigger downhill faster when he's in the game than 683 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 3: anyone I've seen. But my question for you is this is, 684 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 3: I know a lot of our younger listeners are kind 685 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 3: of like, what's all the fuss about this week Cowboys Steelers? 686 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just an NFC team playing an AFC team. 687 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 3: It's every four years they do it. Well, I guess 688 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 3: you're not one of our younger listeners. So what does 689 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: Cowboys Steelers mean to you. 690 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 4: Well, I mean this is this goes all the way 691 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 4: back to you know, I mean the Steelers played the Cowboys, 692 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 4: and the Cowboys first ever game in the NFL. The 693 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 4: Cowboys scored the first touchdown in their franchise history against 694 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 4: the Steelers. So one of the teams were very good 695 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty or whatever it was whenever the Cowboys 696 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 4: came in. Okay, but you know, these franchises. 697 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 3: Go all that way back, and they played twice a year. 698 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 2: People forget during the sixties. During most of the sixties 699 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 2: they were in the same division, so they played twice 700 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 2: there well. 701 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 4: And then the other thing is then when it became 702 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 4: when Chuck Nole was hired in nineteen sixty nine, then 703 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 4: it became the classic. You know, Mike Touman always talks 704 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 4: about styles make fights. Well, in the seventies, the styles, 705 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 4: you know, Dallas was the computer team. Supposedly they used 706 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 4: computers to draft players and whatever. And you know, the 707 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 4: Steelers were old school block and tackle, you know that 708 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 4: kind of stuff. Run the ball, you know the Cowboys 709 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 4: always do, doing all the shifts on offense, and the 710 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 4: linemen standing up and you know before every snap of 711 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 4: the ball and the flex defense, and you know, the 712 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 4: Steelers lined up pretty much the same people all the time, Dora, 713 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 4: and you know, right exactly, so, I mean, this is 714 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 4: this is this has been like this for a long time. 715 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 4: And then the Super Bowls. You know, you played two 716 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 4: Super Bowls in one decade, and those those were the 717 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 4: two pre eminent teams of the nineteen seventies. Uh. The 718 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 4: outcomes of those two Super Bowls dictated who was the 719 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 4: team of the decade. 720 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 2: Particularly the one in seventy eight, because at that point 721 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 2: they had both won a couple of times. Yeah, yes, 722 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 2: and the winner of that game in seventy eight was 723 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: going to be the team of the decade. More than 724 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 2: likely now the Steelers would come back and win again, 725 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 2: but winning that that one in particular, meant that the 726 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: Steelers had the upper hand on being the team of 727 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 2: the decade. 728 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 3: You got Hall of Fame coaches and quarterbacks and Hall 729 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 3: of famers everywhere, you know. 730 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I mean there was a lot 731 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 4: of you know, younger fans, no with Steelers Ravens. It's 732 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 4: like the hate, the backbiting, yeah, you know that kind 733 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 4: of the sniping. Well, one of the great lines, I mean, 734 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 4: Chuck Nole after Super Bowl thirteen, remember the the pass 735 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 4: interference penalty against was it Benny Barnes against Swan later 736 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 4: in that game, and then the next play was a 737 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,439 Speaker 4: touchdown and the Steelers then took a two touchdown lead 738 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 4: thirty five seventeen whatever it was. And Landry was just 739 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 4: irate about that pass interference call, and he was irate 740 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 4: about it. I Raded talked about it, talked about it. 741 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 4: So the Steelers then when they had their ring ceremony 742 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 4: and they got their rings, and that was the gaudiest 743 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 4: ring of all the ones in the seventies. All the 744 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 4: other ones were pretty simple. You know, one diamond for 745 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 4: what first one, two diamonds for the second one, four 746 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 4: diamonds for the fourth one. The third one though, was 747 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 4: what it almost looked like, you know, well toned down 748 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 4: version for sure, but the kind of rings you see now. 749 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 4: And they present them to the Steelers and Chuck Nole, 750 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 4: you know, he's asked about the ring and Noel holds 751 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 4: up the ring and he said, yeah, and if you 752 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 4: push this little button over here, you can hear Landry 753 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 4: he's still bitching. So you know, that's the kind of 754 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 4: stuff that went on between these two franchises back when. 755 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 4: And you know, but yeah, there's there's a lot of 756 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 4: history there, a lot of hatred, I guess, especially for 757 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 4: teams that didn't play very often once the merger came 758 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 4: about in nineteen seventy. 759 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And we'll get to renew those rivalrys. 760 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 2: That's watch the Sunday night game this week. It's a 761 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 2: big one and both time games. Yeah, absolutely, This will 762 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 2: only be the second time the steel or third time 763 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 2: I should say that the Steelers and Cowboys have met 764 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 2: in prime time. Yeah, hard to believe. 765 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And but I mean even for a good while, 766 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 4: the Steelers and Cowboys played every preseason. Yeah, and a 767 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 4: lot of times. It was the last game of the preseason. 768 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 4: You know, Chuck Nole liked it as a good test 769 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 4: because it was different than the last preseason game. You know, 770 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 4: they didn't treated like a glorified scrimmage. I mean, they 771 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 4: actually played. You know, the regulars played more in the 772 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 4: last preseason game than they did in any of the 773 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,959 Speaker 4: other ones. And the Steelers would go to Dallas too, 774 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't too much of a home and 775 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 4: home kind of situation so much in the preseason. The 776 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 4: Steelers would go there. Chuck liked it hot and humid. 777 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 4: You got that in Dallas at that time of the year, 778 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 4: and you went against the top quality team that you know, 779 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 4: they had some good players and their coach was playing 780 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 4: it the same way, and so you know it was 781 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 4: Mike Domin might say two trains, one track. That was 782 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 4: the attitude. 783 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely well, Bob, we gotta let you go. We kept 784 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 2: you over over here, but we'll see you on Sunday. 785 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 2: I can't wait for that one Sunday night, Steelers versus Cowboys. 786 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: We'll see how that works out for the Steelers that 787 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 2: they bounce back off of that disappointing loss last weekend 788 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 2: in Indianapolis. Our guest has been Bob Labriola, editor of 789 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 2: Steelers Digested, Steelers dot Com. He is Matt Williamson. I 790 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 2: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here in 791 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,760 Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. 792 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 793 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 794 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: and Gold r Steelers Nation Radio. 795 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt 796 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt good stuff there from Bob Labriola. Yeah, yeah, 797 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 2: and uh, I mean, nobody knows the history of the 798 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 2: Steelers quite like Labs. It's not just because he's old, 799 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 2: but he also Yeah, he also helps set up all 800 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 2: the Steelers museum stuff, and. 801 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 3: What I understand, every word that you read in there 802 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 3: was written by him. Yes, when if you go to 803 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 3: the museum, which is pretty cool by the way, Yeah, 804 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 3: I should check it out. 805 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 2: We should do another show from there, So yeah, that'd 806 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 2: be fun. That would be good. 807 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 3: Vans around. But we went it was like before it 808 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 3: was open, I think, Yeah, yeah, we. 809 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 2: Were the only ones in there. But Bob wrote every 810 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 2: word of text that he's in there, and there's a 811 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 2: lot yeah. Yeah, so quite the undertaking there. And they 812 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 2: do change it regularly. 813 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 3: Oh okay, I guess the updates. 814 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 2: It's not the same. It's not the same display if 815 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 2: you were there two years ago. There's some different things 816 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 2: in there now that. 817 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 3: The ever time I was there was when we broadcasted from 818 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 3: it. It probably looks different. We can to make that happen. Yeah, 819 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,399 Speaker 3: that'd be fun. That would be fun. 820 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and especially now that we're on video. 821 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, that would be even cool. Set up in 822 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 3: a cool spot. But yeah, there was a lot of 823 00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 3: stuff in there. Pretty we can. 824 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 2: I walked through with video Tyler and just kind of 825 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 2: talk about each display. How about that? You love that idea? 826 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 2: There we go go brainstorms an idea right here on 827 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 2: the show. 828 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 3: I like it. Yeah. So anyways, Lab's always good. Yeah, 829 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 3: regular contributor to the show. 830 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 2: So I wrote a piece today, it actually came out 831 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 2: today on Steelers dot com about that this Steelers Cowboys 832 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 2: history and check that out. I put a lot of 833 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 2: work into that. But you know, for younger fans, it 834 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 2: just isn't the matter. I mean, anybody who is in 835 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,280 Speaker 2: Justin or Tyler's age group, the Ravens are the Steelers 836 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 2: biggest rival. There's no ifans or butts about it, no question. 837 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 2: For people who are forty ish and over, maybe forty 838 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,760 Speaker 2: five and over, you're still kind of getting into that range. 839 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 2: You almost have to be fifty year older to remember 840 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 2: that the Cowboys Steelers games. 841 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm fifty one. I was born in seventy three. 842 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 2: I mean, there was the Super Bowl in ninety five, 843 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 2: was there, and that a lot of that history got 844 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 2: dredged up, But it wasn't quite because the Steelers didn't 845 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 2: win that Super Bowl. First of all, and the Cowboys 846 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 2: were kind of a second coming of a second dynasty. 847 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 2: The Steelers had a similar showing then in the mid 848 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 2: two thousands, right, they won three you know, they went 849 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 2: to three Super Bowls and one two. 850 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 3: So like when I was brought up with all my 851 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,800 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh family, that taught me how to be a Steeler 852 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 3: fan and football fan, blah blah blah, it was the 853 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 3: Raiders are your most hated, then the Cowboys, even though 854 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 3: we don't see them very often. Then we can get 855 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 3: into the division. Yeah, I'm like, and my family and 856 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 3: a lot of the fan base I knew at the 857 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 3: time were they're pretty boys down there. You know, we're 858 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 3: steel workers. We're tough guys that would never be America's team, 859 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 3: you know, that type of thing. But there's also a 860 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 3: lot of similarities, like two awesome head coaches, probably the 861 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 3: two best quarterbacks of the seventies, you know, Hall of 862 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,760 Speaker 3: famers every everywhere, I mean everywhere. I mean, those Cowboy 863 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 3: teams were awesome. And I'm I mean, I'm older than 864 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 3: or younger than Labs, but i always do this series 865 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 3: history thing for Matt's stats, and I'm like, why do 866 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 3: these teams play so much. At the beginning of their existed, 867 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,800 Speaker 3: they were in the same division. I didn't understand it. 868 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,359 Speaker 2: I didn't when the Cowboys came into into the league 869 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 2: the first year, they weren't in the same division as 870 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 2: an expansion team. Then the Minnesota Vikings came in the 871 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 2: next year. I think it was the Vikings and they 872 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 2: became the team that went to the early sixty what 873 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 2: was the NFL West and the Cowboys that moved to 874 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 2: the NFL East East Division and have stayed in the 875 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 2: East Division since. 876 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 3: Which is weird that they're in the East. 877 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 2: But that's that's where, that's where, that's why, that's where 878 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 2: that sprung from. 879 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 3: New York, Washington. I mean, those those teams are in 880 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 3: the East. 881 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dallas, but they had those, you know, those were 882 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,720 Speaker 2: their rivals back in the day. Since the nineteen seventy merger, 883 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,680 Speaker 2: when the Cowboys went to stayed in the NFC the 884 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 2: Steelers moved to the AFC, the Steelers have produced forty 885 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 2: seasons with a winning record. The Cowboys are second with 886 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 2: thirty seven. 887 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 3: Wow. 888 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 2: The Cowboys lead the league during that period with ten 889 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 2: win seasons. In ten win seasons with twenty nine, the 890 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 2: Steelers are tied for second with twenty seven. 891 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 3: Wow. 892 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 2: The Steelers have a twenty four NFL best twenty four 893 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 2: division titles since the merger. The Cowboys are type for 894 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,760 Speaker 2: second with twenty two. The Steelers had the most wins 895 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 2: in the NFL since nineteen seventy with five hundred and seventeen. 896 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 2: The Cowboys are second with four hundred ninety seven. 897 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, I mean maybe more similarities than we tend 898 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:25,439 Speaker 3: to think. 899 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 2: I mean, for a long time, these two teams have 900 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 2: been the premier teams in the league. 901 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean different areas of the country. Owners 902 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 3: are very different over the years too. I mean, like 903 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,280 Speaker 3: Jerry Jones is not a Rooney like type of owner 904 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form, but consistent success, you know, 905 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 3: and I think both fan bases kind of expect it too, 906 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 3: like they've gone through some things. You know, when's when's 907 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 3: the last time we wanted a playoff game? You know 908 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 3: that kind of thing, like you just expect it, like 909 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 3: it's your God given right. 910 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens. The first game in Cowboys history was 911 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 2: against the Steelers. I didn't at the Cotton Bowl. The 912 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 2: Steelers won thirty five to twenty eight against the expansion 913 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,359 Speaker 2: Cowboys who went eleven and won that season. So even 914 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 2: their first season was good, they didn't get good until 915 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 2: about nineteen sixty four. Nineteen sixty five is when they 916 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 2: started to Then they went on the run of twenty 917 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,160 Speaker 2: one consecutive seasons of not having a losing record, which 918 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 2: the Steelers can match this year. 919 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 3: Okay, right, right dead on, And I know this, I 920 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 3: don't remember the exact details, but there was a stretch 921 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 3: like the Bob Lilly years or early Landry where they 922 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,240 Speaker 3: were like the Bills, like they were very close, very close, 923 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,439 Speaker 3: but can't win the big one. 924 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. 925 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,319 Speaker 2: Then the Packers were there and some other teams. Yeah, yeah, 926 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 2: it was. I mean there's a lot of similarities between 927 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,800 Speaker 2: the franchises, and terms. 928 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 3: Of the cities are very different. But high school football 929 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 3: in football is really big in Western PA in Texas, 930 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 931 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, which plays into the popularity of both the teams. Right, 932 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 2: they're both within the fabric of and both teams nationwide brands, 933 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 2: and both teams are nationwide brands. I was just going 934 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 2: to say, I mean, there aren't that many teams that 935 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 2: are that, you know, the Packers come to mind, certainly 936 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 2: the chiefs now, but not before the Patriots beat the 937 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 2: Patriots became that. People may not know this, but you 938 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 2: know in this in the eighties, the Patriots were junk about. Yeah, 939 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 2: nobody cared about the Patriots. They weren't a draw even 940 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 2: the nineties. 941 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean the best player is a guard. Yeah, 942 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 3: for like twenty years, you know. 943 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. 944 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,560 Speaker 2: So anyways, let's get to a break. That's going to 945 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 2: do it for our number one of the drive here 946 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,319 Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back 947 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 2: with our number two right after this