WEBVTT - The Presidents Cup: Past, Present, and Future 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.960 And when I find my ball in a bride egg, 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.840 Friday Egg, the dread and Frida Egg, Frida Egg, Frida 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:11.840 Egg Egg, Frida Egg, Bride Egg. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:13.680 Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the hump. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.239 Welcome to the Frida Egg Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison, and 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.400 today we're talking about the past, present and future of 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.800 the President's Cup. So the twenty twenty two President's Cup 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.080 starts at Quail Hollow today with the US team facing 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.320 off against the international squad, and it sort of feels 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.000 like this is a fork in the road for this 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.040 team matchplay event. Overall, the defections to live golf have 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:02.640 weakened both teams really, but especially the international side, and 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.440 the fear is that the President's Cup will become even 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.520 less competitive, even more lopsided than it has been historically. 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:11.840 So we figured it was a good time to talk 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:15.000 about where this event came from, what it is now, 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.040 and whether it's ultimately worth fighting for. To discuss all 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.240 of that, I'm joined by Andy Johnson. Andy, how's it going. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.560 Garrett, It's going great. I'm excited to dig into the 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.880 President's Cup. I I made a proclamation on the shotgun 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.600 start maybe last year that I thought that one of 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.960 my you know takes, was that the President's Cup would 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:41.480 would overtake the Ryder Cup in terms of competitiveness over 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.560 the next thirty years. Then Live came and pretty much 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.280 snatched away all of us great players, and here we 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.320 are at Really, I think you put it correctly acrossroads 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:57.600 because you know, with the the international flavor of the 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.840 Live Tour that they've created and coached you know, a 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.760 lot of the big name your international players, this event 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.359 really has been has been weakened, and I feel bad 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:12.880 for it because I think, you know, we're going to 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.480 get into the history of this event, but I think 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.400 one of the things is that it got off to 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.360 a little bit of a slow start because it didn't 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.600 have a real imaginative creation. It was really kind of 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:28.040 a copy of the Ryder Cup. But it was showing promise, especially, 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.880 you know, I think one of the recent high high 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.440 water moments for it was obviously Royal Melbourne, where it 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.040 was in a very competitive match between you know teams 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.839 and you could start to see this young talent that 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.080 the international side had, and if you look at the 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.360 world rankings, if the internationals were able to, you know, 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.520 have the players that should be available to them, And 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.120 if you give some players some additional world ranking points, 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.840 you're also looking at like seven or eight top thirty players, 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:03.080 which would all of a sudden create a very formidable matchup. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.359 And I think that's the thing about it is that 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:10.960 this event was really trending into becoming something that was 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:14.320 going to be better than it had been the last 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.840 twenty years significantly, and I think something that could have 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.639 been pretty good, and now you're kind of back of 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:20.480 the drawing board. 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.560 Yeah, it was really a big blow to the President's 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.400 Cup to lose Cameron Smith, to lose Abe answer, who 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:31.280 are some other players that were pretty significant losses recently. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.400 Louis Usasan. You go down the list and there's just 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.520 there's a lot of guys that, you know, if you 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.120 look at the best players on the effectively the best 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.080 players on on live, a lot of them. Joaquin Neeman 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.840 obviously comes to mind, top twenty player. So you know, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:54.480 between answer Usasan, Cam Smith and Neeman, that's for top 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.800 thirty players that are that are gone and and really 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.640 when you look at the captives picks, they're being a 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.560 replaced by guys that are borderline top one hundred players. 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.400 So the issue for the international team has always been depth. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:12.600 The format, which is which is more golf illuminates this 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.160 issue with the international team, and the second that they 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.239 were building depth, they've had kind of the chair pulled 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.120 out from under them with live golf. 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.320 Yeah, it's a it's a real shame. We'll talk more 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.520 later in the pod about the future of the President's 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.719 Cup and we'll talk about some ideas about where it 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.560 could go next, but I wanted to get a little 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.800 bit into the history. So first of all, what have 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.359 you made of the President's Cup in your life of 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.000 golf fandom? Have you enjoyed the President's Cup in general? 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:48.160 H Yeah, I mean at times there's moments of where 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.559 it's been great. I think you know when it goes 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:53.120 when it goes to Royal Melbourne and it's on in 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.920 December and it's on at night. You know, that's an 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.240 example of a great event, right because it's it's you're 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.960 seeing a world class course. You're seeing a course that 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:07.720 has like a distinct home advantage for the Australian players, right, 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.719 so that gives that makes it a little bit more even. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.279 And you saw, like the last time, you know, the 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.040 US was kind of perplexed by the golf course, but 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.039 they figured it out as it went and they got 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:19.920 better and better on the golf course as the event 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.200 went on. So you know, it's had these great moments. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.400 You obviously, the els Woods playoff into Darkness was was 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.719 an iconic President's Cup moment and the moment that everybody remembers. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.960 But then it also has like, just like sheer skippability, 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:41.279 irrelevant moments like Liberty National blowout comes to mind, where 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.160 you're playing a pretty pretty bland golf course that obviously 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.320 has great views of the New York skyline, but just 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.880 a complete lopsided victory. And you know that we play 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.480 sports for these these upsets that could happen this week. 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.400 But right now, you know, I think the average world 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.440 rank of the Mayorricans is eleven, and you know, the 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.760 the international team is grasping at straws here in terms 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.039 of a talent disparity. You know, they're plus almost seven 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.360 hundred and betting odds, which is which is like a 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.760 top five college football team, losing to a you know, 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.760 a non Power five school, so like you're talking about 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.440 that's unranked. You're talking about like a monumental upset here, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.320 and hopefully we get some sort of hopefully just Sunday 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.640 has some semblance of competition, but in terms of you know, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.359 it's just been a hit or miss event, right, Whereas 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.360 the Ryder Cup is musty TV every year, the the 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.440 Majors are musty TV every year, this is an event 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.039 where you're kind of like, well, we'll see what happens. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.760 Yeah. Well, one thing I will say for the President's 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.640 Cup is that it has one big thing going to 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.279 its benefit, and that is that it is team match play, 0:06:55.600 --> 0:07:00.360 and this format is magical, Like it just produces fun moments, 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.279 even in the midst of blowouts. I would say, I 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.360 don't think there's really such a thing as a completely 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:10.400 dull team match play event. For one thing, because when 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.760 you get down to the singles matches, unless it's a 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.360 historic blowout that we haven't really seen before, there's always 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.880 a sliver of a chance that the team that's behind 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.200 will catch up in the singles matches on Sunday, and 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.640 that gives you a reason to watch to the very end, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.440 and then beyond that, just the match play dynamics between players. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:35.960 It always creates something that's worth paying attention to. I think, 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.560 something that's at least funny, even if it isn't dramatic 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.800 in terms of the play. So I will say that 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.400 because there's all kinds of things that you could say 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.840 by way of critique of the President's Cup, like you know, 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.360 and we will say them in this podcast. You know, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.800 it's just this created event. It doesn't really have that 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.280 grade of a history. It was just created to kind 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:01.040 of make money and to stave off competition, and so 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.000 there are all those things that you can say about it. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.560 But when it comes to the matches itself, when the 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.400 President's Cup actually starts, I find that every time I 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.600 just put all that other stuff out of my mind 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.080 and I end up enjoying the tournament. I just do. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.080 And so I will say that for it, I'm glad 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.880 that it's around. It's certainly better than whatever it would 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.720 have been replaced by this fall. Right if we were 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.320 getting another Fortinet on the PGA Tour or another live 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.000 Chicago or something like that, this would be a completely 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.240 boring week and we would be doing a podcast about 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:35.800 something else. Would you agree with that? 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.320 Yeah, I would. And I think this is the thing, 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.120 is like we crave different formats just because we see 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:46.679 the same format so often, and this is an intoxicating format, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:51.160 like it creates cool like se Wo Kim with the shushing, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.960 you know, it's a moment that you'll remember from Liberty National, 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.640 even though he was just getting as ass kicked that 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.839 the team was all week, right, I think it was 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.400 it like three down when he did that. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.440 I mean, it's just stuff like that. It's silly stuff 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.520 that you don't see at other events. That's what the 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.559 team match play environment creates. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.360 So I think that's a fair assessment. It's better than 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.920 a regular event. But is it the rider? It does 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.160 it deliver with the consistent of the Ryder Cup, you know? 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.320 And I think that's where I would say that from 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.240 the start this event was maligned for being a copy 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:26.400 of the Ryder Cup. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.160 Absolutely, So why don't we go back into some of 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.559 that history and talk about where the President's Cup came from? 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.719 So I did some research here. I was expecting when 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.000 I started this research that I would just be talking 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.720 to you about what happened in the early nineties and 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.720 how the President's Cup was created in that moment. But 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.120 as I dug into the research, I kept going farther 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.520 and farther back in time. Eventually I just had to 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.959 stop myself because I was going to like go back 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.960 to the nineteenth century and talk about how the beginnings 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.160 of golf eventually led to the President's Cup. But I 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.360 eventually just stopped in the late sixties, and that's where 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.720 I want to start from in talking about where the 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.880 President's Cup came from. And what happened in the late 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.800 sixties was that the PGA of America split from what 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.200 would become the PGA Tour. Okay, so the PGA of 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:23.439 America for decades ran what was then the PGA Tour. 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:28.520 But in the fifties and sixties, tournament players started to 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:33.079 become richer and more famous, and they wanted to have 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:38.040 their own tour, independent from the club pro or the 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.800 golf professionals organization. So, Andy, I don't know if you 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.360 know this, but a golf professional is different from a 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:45.360 professional golfer. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.720 Yeah, I heard that before. You know, I could see 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.199 how they were intervexed a little bit, how confusion could come, 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.720 you know, given the early origins of the touring pro 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.360 involved some time at a club because they couldn't, you know, 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.199 they didn't make enough money on the road to support 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.600 their family. But yes, I am aware that there is 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:08.440 a big difference. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.600 There is a big difference, and that difference really became 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.640 clear in the nineteen sixties when tournament golf became much 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.560 more profitable because of the popularity of players like Arnold 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.920 Palmer particularly, but also Jack Nicholas and others. So in 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.079 the late sixties, the tournament players wanted to split from 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.439 the PGA of America, and in the negotiations, the PGA 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.880 of America got to retain certain tournament properties and the 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.760 tournament players took other tournament properties. And one of the 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.800 properties that the PGA of America got to keep was 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.079 the Ryder Cup, which at the time was not nearly 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:50.280 as profitable, was not nearly as popular, and really was 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.560 kind of a money loser for many many years. But 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.480 it was at the time a competition between Great Britain 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.120 and Ireland and the US. Eventually it would become Team 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:03.160 Europe versus the US, but in any case, the PGA 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.440 of America got the Ryder Cup. That wasn't that big 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.920 of a deal the tournament players what would become the 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.440 PGA Tour got the World Series of Golf, and the 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.240 World Series of Golf was a competition in late summer 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:21.120 or fall between the four major winners from that season, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.960 and it was really a pretty big deal. It was 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.360 a fairly popular event that people looked forward to, that 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.840 people liked, and so getting this event was kind of 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.720 a big deal for the PGA Tour. But what the 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:37.520 PGA Tour did is that they almost immediately turned it 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.240 into a seventy two hole stroke play event. In the 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.400 nineteen seventies, it was held at Firestone Country Club, and 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.240 by the nineteen nineties it was just this kind of 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.800 part of the PGA Tour schedule that wasn't really super 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.840 distinguishable from the rest of the PGA Tour schedule. It 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.720 was just another stroke play event. Ultimately, it was replaced 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:04.000 in nineteen ninety nine by a WGC, the WGC Invitational 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.160 that the Tiger Woods won a number of times. It 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.360 was the WGC Bridgestone. It moved from Firestone to TPC 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.120 South Wind in twenty nineteen, and now it kind of 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:18.480 no longer exists. So think about how that happened, right, So, 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.800 the PGA Tour got the World Series of Golf instead 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.080 of the Ryder Cup. The Ryder Cup goes on to 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.360 become this very popular event, the World Series of Golf 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.720 just gets kind of absorbed into the rest of the 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.760 PGA Tour schedule. I think that's kind of an amazing 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.199 illustration of some of the things that the PGA Tour 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.040 has not done right over the past forty years or so. 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.000 I think that they like kind of believed that every 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.600 event should be in a way the same, and that's 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.880 what they did with this is they took a unique 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.920 property and made the same. The one thing I wonder 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.200 about is then did they bring the World Series of 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.320 Golf back, because I remember that that event existing, you know, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.280 did it go away for a while and they bring 0:13:59.320 --> 0:13:59.920 it back later? 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.200 So the PGA of America started its own kind of 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:08.560 World Series of Golf. Now, Oh, I've forgotten what it 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.920 was called. It might have been called the World Cup 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:11.679 of Golf. 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.000 I remember that World Series of Golf existing though in 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.600 the nineties, like the same format, like the player the 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.600 major winners from years before. 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:22.840 And it was run by the PGA of America. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.120 So the tour got rid of it and the PGA 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:25.960 brought it back. 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.840 Yes, the PGA brought it back in like the late seventies, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.560 and Dean Beaman was royally pissed off about that. He 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.680 did not like that the PGA of America had basically 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.840 like given them the World Series of Golf and then 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.480 the PGA of America went and created its own version 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.880 of that. I mean, was that was a conflict between 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.880 the two organizations for sure, But yeah, the pg of 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.080 America decided to recreate it once. Of course, the PGA 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.480 Tour had moved away from the original format of the 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.160 World Series of Golf that had apparently made it popular. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.080 That's kind of I mean, all in all, that's sort 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.800 of a digression in this history, but I think it 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.080 was just so representative of how the PGA Tour dealt 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.480 with its events that I had to mention it. So 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.080 the real thing that led directly to the creation of 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.760 the President's Cup, or one of the main factors, was 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:22.920 that the Writer Cup became extremely popular and profitable by 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.440 nineteen ninety one. So in the eighties the Writer Cup 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:31.480 was competitive, but it wasn't yet really truly profitable. In 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.560 nineteen ninety one, it was the War on the Shore 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.800 at Kiowa Island. It was televised in a US national 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.640 market live on NBC. You know, before it had been 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:46.960 kind of pushed to weird times on not as prominent networks, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.120 and so this was really the first time that the 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.320 Writer Cup was beamed into people's living rooms across the 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.480 US in a major way. And it was this huge success. 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.840 It was such an exciting tournament the US one that 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.160 when the Ryder Cup really became the modern Ryder Cup. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.560 And now just imagine Dean Beaman, who knew, of course 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.640 that the fledgling PGA Tour did not get the Ryder 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.520 Cup in those initial negotiations with the PGA of America. 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.960 Just imagine how pissed off Beaman was in that moment 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.680 when the Ryder Cup really had its moment. He was 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.520 probably thinking, well, this is not good. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.720 Yeah, missed opportunity. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.800 Exactly, huge missed opportunity. And Dean Beaman tried a number 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.320 of times to buy the Ryder Cup from the PGA 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.800 of America, but the PGA of America always refused. So 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.560 here's Beman, the commissioner of the PGA Tour. He wants 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.760 his own version of the Ryder Cup. By the early nineties. Now, 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.600 the other thing that really cleared the way for the 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.400 President's Cup to be created was the collapse of what 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.200 was called the Four Tours World Championship. Have you ever 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.360 heard of this event, Andy No, I hadn't either. I 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.360 had no idea that this event existed, but it did. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.480 It was originally called the Nissan Cup, then the Kieran Cup, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.600 then the Four Tours World Championship. It was a team 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:12.119 matchplay event between the PGA Tour, the European Tour, the 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.800 Australasian Tour, and the Japan Tour. And it was held 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:20.040 between nineteen eighty five in nineteen ninety one. The players 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:25.320 who participated in it included Nick Faldo, Greg Norman, Bernhard Langer, 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:30.639 Fred Couples, Payne Stewart, but Seviy Biasteros never played in it. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.160 Tom Watson never played in it, and so it wasn't 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.399 really a sensation, right, And ultimately it folded in nineteen 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:42.760 ninety one when the sponsor pulled out. But what that 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.280 did is the created a void and there was suddenly 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.679 a race to fill that void. This was nineteen ninety two, right. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.520 The nineteen ninety one Ryder Cup has always already happened. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.160 People are recognizing that team match play is a formula 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.119 for making a lot of money. And so there's this 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:04.120 race to create a new international team matchplay event. And 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.840 one of the organizations that wanted to create its own 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:14.560 team matchplay event was IMG, right, the agency Mark McCormack. Yeah, 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.960 And as Beeman put it at the time, he said, 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.280 this was a vacuum that was going to be filled 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.480 and we better fill it first, right, We the PGA 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.200 Tour need to beat IMG to the punch. Here now, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:32.200 this is an excerpt from Adam Shupac's book Golf's Driving Force. Right. 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.320 I want to give much credit to this book because 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.159 it really filled in a lot of history for me. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:41.240 This is how Adam Shuepack describes the race to create 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:45.480 a new international team event. He said on December twenty first, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.320 nineteen ninety three, several months in advance of the public 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.800 and unveiling of the President's Cup, IMG issued a short 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.440 press release with plans to pit the holder of the 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.560 Writer Cup, but not restricted to the same team members 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:02.080 against a team from the Southern Hemisphere consisting of Australia, 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.360 New Zealand, Southern Africa, South America, and the Pacific Islands 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:11.040 in a biennial major international golf tournament. No date, no site, 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.720 or formal name for the matches was announced, but it 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.320 was planned to debut in late nineteen ninety four under 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.919 the tentative title of the Hemisphere Cup. A two million 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:25.280 dollar perse was reported. According to IMG's Alistair Johnston, the 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.200 concept had the backing of a consortium of international television companies, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.879 including ABC Sports in the US, Sky Television in Great Britain, 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:38.160 and Star Television in Hong Kong. So this was IMG's concept, 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:42.439 the Hemisphere Cup. And so recognizing that this first Hemisphere 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.520 Cup was going to take place in late nineteen ninety four, 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.800 the PGA Tour basically rushed to create the President's Cup, 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.240 which is the competition that we know now between the 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.520 US team and an international collection of players who are 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:58.880 not from Europe. 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.600 That it was eerily similar. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.880 Very similar to the Hemisphere Cup idea, right. 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.640 And especially when you fast forward to you know what 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.399 created some Greg Norman angst and there originally was the 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.639 WG season his World Tour. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:19.840 Idea, absolutely, and that becomes relevant in the story after 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.520 the President's Cup is created because it's at the same 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.000 time that Greg Norman is trying to form the World Tour. Right, 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:30.119 these things are happening concurrently. But one thing to note 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.560 about the difference between the differences between the Hemisphere Cup 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.600 pitch and the President's Cup pitch is that the Hemisphere 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.560 Cup involved the winner of the past year's Ryder Cup. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.879 So it could be Team Europe or it could be 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:43.679 Team USA. 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:44.400 Wow. 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:48.280 The President's Cup is always Team USA, right, So the 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.919 President's Cup, the main difference is the US team is 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:56.880 always featured. But it's just really interesting, right, the President's Cup. 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.399 The only reason that the first President's Cup happened in 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.320 nineteen nine before was that IMG was going to create 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.639 its own international team match play event to kind of 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.440 capitalize on the new popularity of the Ryder Cup. That's 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:11.920 why the President's Cup came about. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.240 Well, I just think that it just speaks to just 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:20.000 the general adage of the tour, which is when they 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.600 see something they like, they want to do it themselves. 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:27.960 And it's not a it's not really a collaborative situation, right, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.240 And one of the issues when when something's not your idea, 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:36.199 it always lacks an authenticity, It always has an authenticity issue. 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:40.320 And I think that at its core, the President's Cup 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.959 has been plagued by this is clearly something that the 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.960 tour is doing to make money. This is a profit 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:50.960 versus the Ryder Cup was you know, when you think 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:52.960 about the image of the Ryder Cup, the Ryder Cup 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.040 prints cash now, but it didn't always print cash. And 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.760 what led to it pretty cash was the establish of 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:05.359 a clear identity of history. Like the event was allowed 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.440 to breathe and it was allowed to be a loser 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:10.919 for a while before it became a winner. You know, 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:13.399 That's the way a lot of businesses work is that 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:16.399 they struggle early on before they become like, you know, 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:20.760 a great event. When when things are overnight sensations, oftentimes 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.400 they struggle with success. The President's Cup was like, hey, 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.440 we're gonna set this event up and we're going to 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.080 make so much money. And like a perfect example is 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:34.160 having four days of attendance, four days of TV that 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:38.560 is done for money, that is done for TV contracts 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.840 and attendance. Right, they have four days of competition. What 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:46.160 that four days that money, that added money they get 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:51.520 has hampered the international's international team's ability to compete because 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.760 the longer you play this out, talent wins and the 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.800 US has always had more talent. So that's a perfect 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.920 example of like, if you wanted to create a more 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:05.240 compelling competition, you'd want it shorter. Maybe it's a two 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.800 day thing, and the Internationals would have a really great chance, 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.320 like they would have won the last President's Cup if 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:15.119 it was two or three days. So with this you 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:20.120 see how every decision they make is not really theirs. 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.800 But then also with the President's Cup, and the founding 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.119 of the President's Cup was really centered around making money, 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.080 which is a bad intention if you want to create 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:30.760 a really compelling golf tournament. 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.240 Everything about the President's Cup is kind of artificial, right. 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:37.640 The international team is just kind of a random collection 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.919 of countries that is more determined by the structure of 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:45.280 the Ryder Cup than it is by any natural relationship 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.919 between the players on that team. Now that's not to 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.640 say that Trevor Immilmann, the captain of this year's President's 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:54.120 Cup International team, can't create some kind of identity for 0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:57.919 the players, but it just doesn't exist there beforehand. So 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:02.960 the President's Cup is this completely artificial money making construction, right, 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.639 But I think it's a testament to the magic of 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:08.920 team match play that it works at all. 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.440 Now for a quick word from our sponsor, Rio Mar. 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:19.639 Rio Mar makes wonderful shoes. They're kind of dress up 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.760 dressed down types of shoes, great for wearing two golf 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:28.520 after golf. They have deck drivers and a bunch of 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:32.320 different leather shoes. 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So Realmar dot com 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.720 used the promo code TFE fifteen and thank you to 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:16.480 Riomar for your support. 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:20.840 So you did a little bit of research of your own. 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.280 You were reading some old articles What are some of 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.159 the highlights there? What were some of the things that 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:25.800 stuck out to you? 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.800 So, you know, Norman in ninety four was sick, Yeah, 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:31.679 and they wound up, and they wound up so he 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:33.639 couldn't play his singles match. 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:37.280 I've always found that so weird. I mean, I think 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:39.800 that Norman was a big booster of the President's Cup. 0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:42.400 I think he was jealous of the Writer Cup and 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:46.879 the fame that it brought players like Sevy and Nick Faldo. 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:49.960 So I think he was in support of the President's Cup. 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:54.000 But his his kind of uh staying out of that 0:25:54.000 --> 0:25:57.359 that first President's Cup is so strange because I'm not 0:25:57.400 --> 0:25:59.359 even sure what was wrong with him. I guess he 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.200 had like something like the flu. But then he showed 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:03.160 up on the last day. 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:07.199 Yeah, he was in the crowd, Yeah, exactly. So, So 0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.359 I mean here's this is, you know, one of the 0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:11.840 most high profile players in the world, right, you know, 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:15.080 arguably like at the time, the face of golf, right, 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:19.200 And I think obviously it under the underlying issue here 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.800 when he go from ninety four to ninety six is 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:26.119 greg Norman has a real issue with any sort of authority. 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.679 He had all kinds of issues with sponsors over the years, 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:33.080 he had all kinds of issues, like anybody that that 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:39.080 he effectively reports to in some way or like you know, 0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.879 he has an issue with So anyways, he he is 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:47.080 on this he's sick, and the telcast wants to make 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.359 him up and he's game for it. You know what 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.880 better than playing than the day in the spotlight tell 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.760 you know, commenting and being a real part of the 0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:59.560 tournament when you're too ill to play, but you're you're like, 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:01.560 I couldn't I think of it if I was felt 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.520 really bad. The last thing I want to be doing 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:08.640 is spectating a golf event. That's just me. So anyways, 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:12.280 David Graham the captain of the of the international team. 0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:15.280 Great Australian player, I think you know at the time 0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.760 he was the only Australian I believe he was forty eight, 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.040 so he's still he hadn't transitioned to the senior tour, 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:22.919 which was one of the reasons he was the captain. 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:26.359 He was in his later forties. He'd won two majors, 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:28.560 you know, two different majors too, so he was really 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:32.720 well respected. He said, no, absolutely not. You can't mike 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:36.360 him up, and so that made Norman really mad, and 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:41.680 Norman held this grudge and staged effectively a coup in 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:46.960 before the ninety sixth event two months out, the players 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:51.800 voted to dismiss. There was a mutiny, They kicked Graham 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:56.879 out as captain, and Peter Tomson eventually took over. You know, 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.679 they had this player only meeting and David Graham was 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.560 all for it. All the players are getting together, this 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.639 is great. And in this player meeting they end up 0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:09.119 kicking Graham out and Fincham had no clue this was coming. 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.640 Graham had no clue this was coming. It was an 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:17.359 utter disaster for the event and thus it led to 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:22.480 Peter Thompson being the captain and he like let none 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.399 of the players talk about this. It was considered an 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:30.440 utter embarrassment that this was happening. So, just a crazy 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.280 little tidbit of President's Cup history. 0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:37.200 Yeah, so Greg Norman essentially led a mutiny against his captain. 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:41.040 What a surprise that Greg Norman did something divisive. 0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:45.040 And what's remarkable about this is that the nineteen ninety 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:49.000 six President's Cup is essentially where I'm not sure if 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:51.320 this is a historical fact, but it's right around the 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:55.960 same time that Tim Fincham announced the World Golf Championships. 0:28:56.440 --> 0:29:00.440 And so Fincham made this announcement and it took Norman 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.719 by surprise because earlier he had come up with the 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:07.280 idea of a World Golf Tour, but eventually he had 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.560 been kind of outflanked by Tim Fincham and that idea 0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.040 fell apart. Now here we are at the nineteen ninety 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.640 six President's Cup. Tim Fincham has just announced that the 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.120 World Golf Championships are going to be established in a 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:25.520 couple of years. Greg Norman is absolutely livid, and he 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.880 confronts Tim Fincham in the lobby of the hotel where 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:33.320 both President's Cup teams are staying, and they have a 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:34.960 bit of an argument. I'm not sure it was a 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.960 shouting match or anything like that, but it was significant 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.440 enough so that it was actually reported in the press 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.640 at the time that Fincham and Norman had a confrontation 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:46.760 in the lobby at the President's Cup. So just think 0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:50.400 about Greg Norman's story in the lead up to the 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:52.760 nineteen ninety six President's Cup. Right, he didn't play in 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:54.959 the ninety four President's Cup because of some kind of 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.680 strange random illness that he had. And then he shows 0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:01.040 up at the ninety six President's Cup having ousted as captain, 0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:03.280 and then he gets into it with a PGA tour 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.360 commissioner in the lobby of the hotel. I mean, is 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.680 just a ridiculous sequence of events. And then a couple 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.840 of decades later he's a President's Cup captain and then 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:15.080 he gets kind of pushed out of the captaincy and 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:17.080 he doesn't feel good about that either. That was a 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.800 whole other controversy he has had a Norman has really 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.520 had a tumultuous relationship with the President's Cup. And guess what. 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.880 Now he's the head of a league that is absolutely 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.640 attacking the President's Cup right now, just picking off players 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.120 who would be significant parts of the international team. 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.240 It's almost as if he had a vendetta against it. 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.520 It's almost as if he's motivated a bit by revenge here. 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.920 It's almost almost like that. All right, So I want 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.640 to get into where we think the President's Cup is 0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.320 going from here. I mean, we don't have to talk 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:53.840 too much about the Quail Hollow matches. I think they're 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:57.240 pretty lopsided, right at least that's how it looks going 0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:57.720 into it. 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.760 I think the thing I would say is that the 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.400 Internationals could very well win. That's why we play the game. 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.360 They have world class players too, they just don't have, 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.320 you know, the kind of like top ten talent that 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.200 the US team has pretty much across the board. 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.440 Upsets happen all the time, but the reality of the 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.280 situation is whether or not they win or lose. I 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.840 think the one big thing is in years future, our 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.800 live player is going to be allowed to be involved. 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.560 And that's a big question. I you know, I don't 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.080 have as much of a problem with the President's Cup 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.600 continuing if in two years live players are playing, because 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.720 then all of a sudden, the talent differential is not 0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:43.960 as great as it was. But assuming live players are 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.080 not involved, then you know, you have to look and 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.320 you have to say, hey, what are we doing? And 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.200 I don't think that this can go on with the 0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:57.480 talent differential that is in play for this event. 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.240 Say that the status quo as the golf world has 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.880 settled into right now, say that, you know, more or less, 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.840 within the next couple of years, things kind of stay 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.640 how they are right now. What would you want to 0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:14.560 see the President's Cup do? Would you want it to 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.760 remain the same kind of team matchplay event, or are 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:19.560 there other ideas that we can go with. 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:23.320 I've got a few ideas here. Now I'm going to 0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:27.280 go from like easiest to most difficult to implement for 0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:30.880 the for the tour. Okay, idea number one easiest to 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:35.880 implement is make the international team include Europe, all right, 0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.880 and then all of a sudden, you have it involves 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.280 the entire tour. Which I've always thought is really weird 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.920 is that you have this event that doesn't evolve all 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:46.640 of the tour. And I think that's one of the 0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.560 issues with the event is that arguably your most marketable 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.840 player on tour isn't involved with it, which is weird 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.200 to me. And obviously that's because of the Ryder Cup. 0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.320 They probably didn't want to feel like, you know, early 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.320 on that they were stepping on their toes. But at 0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:05.640 this point, you know, this isn't a this isn't a competition, really, 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:11.720 this is this is a early week Alabama scheduling game 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:17.040 against a really inferior opponent. And that's the quickest way, 0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:20.680 the easiest way to make this more competitive given the 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:25.440 current landscape, and arguably then you you have a claim 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:28.160 that you have the most competitive matches. Now, I don't 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.480 know if there's some sort of clause that they can't 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:34.160 include Europe Like, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean the PGA. 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.800 If I were the PGA, I would be absolutely irate 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:38.720 if they did that. 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:39.800 Right. 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:44.560 So, so that's the easiest option to relevance. And if 0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:46.840 you think about this week, if John Rahm and Rory 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:49.880 were playing this, this would be completely different story. 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.040 Yeah, I guess so. But but the problem would be 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.880 then the President's Cup would be even harder to differentiate 0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.600 from the Ryder Cup. Right then it would be even 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:01.200 closer in its concept. 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:05.440 It would. But I don't think that really worries the tour. 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.560 They have a long history of copying, you know. 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.239 Okay, you think you think they don't really care about 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:12.440 the current identity. 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:14.200 They're pretty ShaSS. 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:18.320 Yeah, that relies on this random concept of an international team. No, 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.400 I see that. I think that maybe they would be 0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.680 a little bit worried that eventually you'd have a situation 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:28.240 where the players who would qualify for the non US 0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:31.000 team would be all the same players who were just 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:31.919 in the Ryder Cup. 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.680 Right, I don't think that is that is an issue though, 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.480 because you've got the South Koreans that you know, the 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.000 South Korean golf contingent I think is only going to grow, and. 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.600 The Australians continue to be strong though though a lot 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:44.520 of them have gone to live. 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.600 I think the European if you look at it right now, 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.160 and obviously the way you know, I don't think Europe's 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:54.080 Ryder Cup hopes look very good. And obviously it's been 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.239 a long time since the US is won Ryder Cup 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.240 in Europe, you can say that, but like the strength 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.400 of the team is not what it used to be. 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.439 You know, the golden age of European golf I don't 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.680 think is necessarily right now. You know, they have some 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.080 good high end talent, but I think they're running into 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:13.600 the same issue that the internationals. The other thing is 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:16.880 just the rise of the of the talent of American 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:22.520 golf is at an unfor never before seen depth of talent. 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:27.319 Right this is less so about Europe getting weaker and 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.120 more so about how good American golf has gotten. So 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:35.279 with that, I would say that's the number one. Number two. 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.960 This is this is the social media darling is let 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.840 the women, let the women play, have it be a 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:47.319 co ed event international men and women against American men 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:51.880 and women. Obviously, I think from from number one, creates 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:55.840 like probably the most marketable event on the golf calendar. 0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.880 I think it's it's just like a no brainer, slammed 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.919 unk marketable golf event. It would be exciting, people would 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.319 be super into it. It would be a home run 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:09.480 from the PR department. Now, the issue and everybody this 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.080 is like, everybody flows this out there. Why aren't they 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:15.960 doing this? The best international women players are the best 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.760 players in women's golf, or international players the best players 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.440 in men's golf a American players. When you put the 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.680 two teams together, all of a sudden, they look very 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.160 equal because you've got kind of, you know, lesser talent 0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:32.000 on the American women's side, you've got greater talent on 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:34.520 the international women's side, and you kind of you blend 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:38.319 those teams together, they look really formidable, like they kind 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.280 of are mirror opposites of each other. Now, the issue, 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.880 why wouldn't they do this? That would require the PGA 0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.280 Tour to share some of that money, which is why 0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:50.239 they started the event in the first place. And it 0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.680 always comes back to this money thing with the tour, 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:56.320 and they do not want to share money. It's why 0:36:56.560 --> 0:37:00.360 a lot of great ideas haven't happened. Is it the 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.880 tour to collaborate now, maybe they'd be more open to 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.840 doing this with Live around, you know, like if I 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.040 were running Live, I might look into trying to do 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.200 this event on my own because I've got their ramp 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:15.560 Go series already. Like there's there's all kinds of natural fits. 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.440 But for the tour, this is a This is a 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:23.240 no brainer in terms of competition, is going to be enhanced. 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.600 I think the general interest for the event is enhanced. 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:30.839 The global interest. I think that just imagine South Korea, right, 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.720 how how excited the South Korean market would be about 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:38.560 their exceptional women golfers being involved in this event exactly. 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.440 And and then you've got like the corporate interests. I 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:44.640 think there'll be a ton of corporate partner you know, 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.520 they already have great corporate partners for this. But like 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.040 any losses that you're sharing with the LPGA Tour in 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.799 terms of giving them money, probably is going to be 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:58.160 offset by corporate sponsors that want in and want to 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:02.520 support this event, But that would require them conceding some money. 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.200 Like the fear of losing out of some of this 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:09.880 money would be an issue. So that's option two. Option three, 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:12.880 which is kind of you know, if you if you 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:15.719 don't do that. This is my other favorite one is 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.560 make it an Olympics style, what the Olympics should be. 0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:22.160 You know, I think this event would be really great 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.400 if they just said, Hey, what we're going to do 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:27.000 is we're going to take the top three ranked players 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.000 from every country that's got three players in the top 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:34.760 one thousand in the world rankings, and these these teams 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.200 are going to compete in two days of stroke play 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.320 where the top eight teams qualify for the match play 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:45.400 component and its team match play with three players. Anything 0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:46.760 could happen in this format. 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:47.160 You know. 0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:49.239 It would just be about getting into that round of 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:52.400 eight or round of sixteen, whatever you think. And people 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.640 will be like, oh, there aren't there aren't enough teams. 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.239 There aren't enough teams. I think you could you could 0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:01.319 field twenty five to thirty teams off of that criteria 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:05.560 at a minimum, and obviously you'd have your powerhouses. You 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:11.239 have USA, England, Ireland, South Korea, Australia, South Africa would 0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:13.400 be you know, Spain would be a good team Italy 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.799 would have a good team, like you'd have those traditional powers. 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:21.319 But like, isn't crazy to think that Austria with Stepstraca, 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:25.440 burn vs. Rigger and Mattia Schwab could pull an upset 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.080 and get into the finals or something. It's not crazy. 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.399 Stepstraca almost won the FedEx Cup. You know. It would 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:35.160 be a tournament that would create like a March Madness 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.840 type atmosphere because on a given day, in a single 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:44.480 elimination knockout, USA isn't necessarily going to win. The one 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.319 or two of those players could have a bad day, 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.200 shoot seventy two, and they could get upset by a 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:53.520 country like Chile or Belgium or you know, like Mexico 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.279 and all of a sudden, Then I think what what 0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:59.120 it would do is it would involve the entire tour, 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.400 a which I think is a big problem with the 0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:05.360 President's Cup, as I said in the first part. But 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:08.920 b it would also involve the entire world, which I 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.800 think is what the goal of the event is if 0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:14.640 you tried to get past the money, is that this 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:18.359 is a global event. You know, my favorite term grow 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.759 the game. Let me tell you what would grow the 0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:24.560 game is if if Chile is watching Joaquin Neeman and 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:28.240 Meto Pereira and I don't have who the next highest 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:32.479 ranked Chile employee. It might be Hugo Leon. So those 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:36.160 guys upset America. I mean, you're talking about like a 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.279 type of Americal on ice situation, right, And it's not 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.719 inconceivable that Meto Pereira and Joaquin Neeman go out and 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:47.000 beat Justin Thomas and Scotti Scheffler on a given day. Right, 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:51.719 So this is this would genuinely, I think, be a 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.920 great tournament and give it a whole different identity, completely 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:57.640 unique to the Ryder. 0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:59.799 Cup, to the President's Cup, to the Ryder Cup. 0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:00.880 It would be way different. 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.279 Oh oh oh in contrast to the Ryder Cup. 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.759 Yeah, yeah, you can still call it the President's Cup. 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:07.759 You could keep all the mouney. If you're the tour, 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.760 you don't have to cut anybody in, and you create 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:12.560 the event that the Olympics should have been. 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.279 Yeah, this is definitely what the Olympics should have been. 0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.520 By the way, and I'm not sure why it is 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.919 and it doesn't make any sense, but an idea that's 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:24.480 kind of based on that idea that you just laid 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:28.680 out would be the Continent's Cup, and yeah, you'd have 0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.600 to rename the tournament, and maybe that wouldn't be the 0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:34.000 greatest thing in the world for the PGA Tour because 0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.600 it likes having those presidents, you know, or the prime 0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:40.239 ministers or wherever they are kind of be involved in 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:42.880 the tournament in some capacity. But I don't think that 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.719 the President's Cup relies on that anymore. You could turn 0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:50.960 it into the Continent's Cup and have teams from North America, 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:58.800 South America, Australia, Europe, Asia and Africa, right, and Antarctica 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.279 if they want to, If they want to field team 0:42:00.280 --> 0:42:02.080 out of the scientists down there. 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.279 It would be great if that team played every year 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:10.000 just shot like ye shot a hundred. Poor guys out 0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:11.040 there shooting hundreds. 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:14.280 It would be It would be like the Olympics, where where, 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.080 you know, like the swimmers from the countries that don't 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.960 have super strong swim programs or are like jumping in 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:22.160 the pool and barely making it at one hundred meters. 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:25.799 But in any case, I like this idea of a 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.279 Continence Cup because you know, it kind of levels the 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.840 playing field a little bit, Like, yeah, the North American 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.799 team would be really really strong, but if you had 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.680 like a four or five person team, then Europe would 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.200 have a super strong team, Asia would have a super 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.600 strong team South America. I mean, go down the list. 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:47.439 You would have a real competition there and you would 0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.719 have like a limited number of teams. I think that 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:51.320 would be. 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.040 That when do you have so when you condense the 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:57.279 number of players on the team, you're going to have 0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:01.760 more variability. And that's where the you U dominates his depth. 0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.880 When you have a twelve person team, nobody can compete 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:07.919 with the US with twelve people right now. 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:11.600 Yeah, the US is eight through twelve players right now 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.759 are just gonna absolutely wipe the floor with with most 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.600 other with with most with a Team Europe and with 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:19.000 Team International right now. 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.759 But when you limit it to three or if you're 0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.759 doing continence, you could do five, like, that's where you 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.359 get variability and it becomes a real competition. The other 0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:30.680 thing I think that it does is this there's this 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.920 weird thing with the President's Cup where it's like, you know, 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:35.840 it's not the Ryder Cup and it's kind of the 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:38.520 same team with America, and I think there's some fatigue 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.880 there is that this is like the Ryder Cup Select 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:45.160 team like this is like the Kreme de la crem. 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:50.719 Right, differentiating this event more from the Ryder Cup and 0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:53.840 trying to lean into a new identity for it. I 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:56.480 think is a great idea, you know, to me, out 0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:00.440 of the ideas that you laid out, involving women in 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:04.160 the event would be the obvious one that I would 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:08.320 be most enthusiastic about. But as you said, the reason 0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:12.120 this wouldn't happen right now is that the PGA Tour 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.279 would not want to share the spoils with the LPGA Tour. 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:16.799 Is that basically what it comes down to. 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.319 I believe that's what it comes down to. 0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:23.440 Which sucks because the LPGA Tour is supposedly a strategic 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.120 ally of the PGA Tour. 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.640 And think about what it would do. This is an 0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:31.399 all boats rise situation, right, and I think it would 0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:34.719 create a more compelling event for the PGA Tour. You 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:38.600 would have a better event without a doubt, absolutely, and 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:44.560 b you'd greatly increase the popularity of the women's game tenfold. 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:45.400 You know. 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:47.799 I think one of the things that having been to 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:51.160 women's tournaments and you know men's tournaments, is like the 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:54.520 thing that jumps out to me immediately when I'm when 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:57.279 I'm at a women's event, is just how much more 0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:01.520 friendly and how much more personal the players are. And 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:03.759 I think one of the things that would happen when 0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:07.480 they're on the stage together is that the women's personalities 0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:11.560 and characters would really come to the forefront, and I 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.960 think it would they would retain fans and viewers. And 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:18.000 the more popular all of golf is, the better it 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.200 is for the PGA Tour, whether or not they see 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.880 it initially, but like the more popular women's golf is, 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:26.080 the better it is for men's golf. 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:30.200 And from the PGA tourist perspective, there are a couple 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:34.279 of markets right now where the PGA Tour doesn't have 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.319 nearly as big of a presence as it could have, 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.280 And I'm thinking of South Korea and Japan, and guess 0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:45.400 where women's golf is really popular right now, South Korea 0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:48.239 and Japan. You would think that that would be kind 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:52.480 of a motivational factor for the PGA Tour. But I mean, 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.320 I don't know how the finances would break down, but 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.800 you would hope that something like this would be capable 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.600 of happening, because it would be great. I'm just thinking 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:05.319 of you know how fun, Like the mixed pairs would be, right, men, 0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:09.320 men and women pairs alternate shot, That would be so fun. 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.080 Yeah, I mean it would be even interesting down to 0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:15.120 like what what type of ball are they playing and why? 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:17.840 You know, like there'd be all kinds of cool stuff 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:20.560 like who's teeing off evens and odds? Like there's all 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.479 kinds of strategy there, like what if one team goes 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.360 even to one team goes odds. Just I mean that 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:31.319 that format, you'd get the juxtaposition of styles, which I 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:35.200 think is like the thing that's that makes golf really interesting. 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:39.160 You know, on each tour it's always fascinating when a 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:42.120 shorter hitter is playing with a longer hitter. It would 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:45.800 be even more fascinating with men and women intermix playing 0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:49.000 against each other on teams, Like you would just see 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.799 such different styles and and you know, there'd just be 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.720 so much that you could build up going into these matches, 0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.839 and there'd be so much for the broadcast to chew 0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:02.400 on during the match, and it's just be so different 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:04.640 than anything you have, right, And I think that's the 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:07.960 big thing at the at the core of what plays 0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:11.000 the President's Cup is it's just not different, and this 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:14.040 is an option for it to be way drastically different. 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:18.480 The other the Continent Cup different, The idea of being 0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:21.480 what the Olympics should be would be way different. You know, 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:27.720 all these offer them a opportunity to create something unique, 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.360 and excitement comes when something's unique. 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.000 All right, I think that's a good place to wrap up. 0:47:33.360 --> 0:47:36.840 Oh one other thing, God had one other idea. Given 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:41.000 the tour's success with TPC Sawgrass and the players, how 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:46.719 have they not built a President's Cup course like we 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.040 see you know, whether or not you believe in matchplay 0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:53.359 courses and the idea of matchplay courses, you know, they're 0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:55.560 kind of like a little bit of a rage and 0:47:55.640 --> 0:48:00.360 golf course design, Like, why not build a stadium matchplay course? 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:04.239 Even TPC Sagress would be a fascinating golf course to 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.359 watch match play on. It would they would? I think 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.440 people would play a lot differently than we see him 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:09.480 play in the players. 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.280 Yeah. Yeah. The trick would be finding an international course 0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:17.560 that could host every kind of international home game. But also, 0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:20.400 you know, keep in mind the first two President's Cups 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:24.200 and like four out of the first maybe six or 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:27.680 seven President's Cups were held at one course Robert tren 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:31.080 Jones Golf Club, which I think was chosen partly because 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:34.200 it's close enough to Washington, d C. So that the 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:37.200 presidents could make it out there and kind of be 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:40.160 an honorary part of the festivities. But you know, there 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.520 is precedent for the President's Cup kind of being held 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:45.439 two years in a row one course. Now I don't 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:47.400 know if it was that good for it to be 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:49.520 held at Robert tren Jones Golf Club two years in 0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:53.480 a row, But if there were some kind of consistent 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:59.200 venue for these events, whether it's in America or abroad, 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.480 I think that would be really good. Now, the issue, 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:04.960 Andy is who do you think the PGA Tour at 0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:09.120 this point would get to build this course? It would 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:12.279 It wouldn't be Pete Dye, right, I mean, obviously Pete 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:15.160 Dye has passed away, but it wouldn't be What I'm. 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.800 Saying is that they got their own house deciety exactly. 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:21.360 They would be like Steve Wentslough and in that crew. 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:24.279 Looking at some of the work that they've done on 0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.759 the twelfth hole at TPC Sawgrass in the past few years, 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:30.280 I'm not totally confident that they would execute this course 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:33.279 that well, so that that might be an issue. If 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:35.200 Pete Dye were still with us, and if the PGA 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:39.080 Tour still were still relying on him for design services, 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:42.360 or if there were somebody of similar talent and stature 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:45.359 that the PGA Tour had a good relationship with, then 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.839 this idea would be a bit more compelling. But I'm 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:52.319 just not sure what PGA Tour architecture would produce for 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.719 this at this point in the in the PGA Tour's existence. 0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:59.200 So that would be cool. In practice, you know, we 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:03.320 might get like Liberty National type situation and that wouldn't 0:50:03.320 --> 0:50:03.879 be that fun. 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:07.680 I think Medina Post renovation could be exciting. 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.000 That would be amazing, but it's not owned by the 0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:12.080 PGA Tour, so they wouldn't want to go there every 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:14.799 single year. Would Medina want to hold it every every 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:15.239 other year? 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.600 I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I don't maybe. 0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.840 Probably, I mean it will be super super cool. I 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:21.480 mean it's. 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:24.920 Uh, well, that's the other thing about if they did 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:27.520 the Olympic style one, there's no reason they couldn't do 0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.279 it every year if they did, If they did the 0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:32.600 men's and women's one, I could see him doing it 0:50:32.640 --> 0:50:35.719 every year. Like you know, there are ways they could 0:50:35.719 --> 0:50:38.359 make more money from it. In the way you make 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:41.400 more money from it is creating something that has a 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:45.399 clearly different identity than the Ryder Cup. Then you can 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:47.840 do it more frequently. Then you're not competing with the 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:48.439 Ryder Cup. 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:52.160 Right well, And this logic that you're talking about creating 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:55.560 a home for an event, something that is a is 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.240 a big swing and it could pay off big time, 0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:01.760 or it could be a disaster. This was the exact 0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:05.520 kind of move that Dean Beeman made in the late 0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:08.880 seventies with TPC Sawgrass in the Players Championship. This is 0:51:09.239 --> 0:51:12.279 what the PGA Tour did then. But I don't think 0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:15.680 the PGA Tour is in a place any longer where 0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:18.800 it's taking these big swings and taking these big chances. 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:22.240 Seems like the Rory's taking a big swing for r He's. 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:25.800 Taking a big swing. Four well, but just consider how 0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:29.480 the last year has gone with the PGA Tour that 0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:33.440 the organization has had every reason to take a big swing. 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:37.280 If this was if there were any set of circumstances 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:41.880 that would require some kind of huge risk to be 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:44.600 taken by the PGA Tour, this would be it. But 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:48.719 the PGA Tour really didn't do anything. Rory McElroy and 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:52.440 Tiger Woods did something, and so are they going to 0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:56.160 reinvent the President's Cup? I don't think so. In the end, 0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:57.719 I think you probably agree with me about that. 0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:02.520 Yeah, it'll just continue you on the mediocrity path that 0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:04.000 has been on since its start. 0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.560 It'll kind of linger. But at least we'll get team 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.120 match play. As I've said several times, I always look 0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:11.879 forward to team match play, So at least we will 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:14.719 get a taste of that this week, and I hope 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:16.799 it is a close match. It would be a real 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.840 bummer if it were hugely lopsided and we got to 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:23.359 Sunday singles and there was just no chance that would be. 0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.080 That would be a big blow and it would start 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:29.000 a discussion about live and about the future of the event. 0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:34.520 If the US somehow somehow loses, then it'll just be 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:38.239 you know, a year of this is a dire situation 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:42.320 for the Ryder Cup. What went wrong at quil Hollow 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.120 could haunt the Ryder Cup for decades. 0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.600 I swear to God, the US losing this President's Cup 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:51.839 would be the best possible scenario. I really, really do 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:55.040 hope the US loses. And that's not because I'm unpatriotic 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:57.720 or something. I think it would just it would be 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:01.640 by far the most interesting situation, all right. I think 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:05.040 I think we've Unless there's anything else you wanted to get. 0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:06.520 Into, I got nothing else. 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:09.680 We've covered a lot of territory, all right. So I 0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:13.200 hope everybody enjoys the President's Cup this this coming week. 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:16.239 We'll see how it goes. Andy, thank you so much 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:28.880 for your time. I'll talk to you soon. 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