Speaker 1: Are you leave the I you wanna way back home?
Speaker 2: Either way, we.
Speaker 3: Want to be there, doesn't matter how much baggage you
Speaker 3: claim and give us time and a turmano and gay.
Speaker 1: We want to send you off inside.
Speaker 4: Do you wanna.
Speaker 5: Welcome you back home?
Speaker 3: Tell us all about it.
Speaker 2: We scared her? Was it fine?
Speaker 5: Malborn?
Speaker 6: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?
Speaker 1: Do you need to ride.
Speaker 2: With Karen and Chris welcome to Do you need a ride?
Speaker 2: This is Chris Fairbanks and this is Karen Colgariff.
Speaker 6: This is the point where I usually come in with
Speaker 6: an anecdote or something that happened today, a conversation starter
Speaker 6: with Karen. But I have prepared nothing.
Speaker 2: Chris.
Speaker 5: I don't think you should feel so much responsibility. This
Speaker 5: is a fifty to fifty joint venture, spike Lee joint,
Speaker 5: and we share that responsibility at the time.
Speaker 6: You know along those lines, I want to do the
Speaker 6: right thing, and so sure a spike Lee joint.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm here in Crookland just trying to figure out
Speaker 5: what to say because I also prepared nothing.
Speaker 6: Listen, welcome, X number of things could happen from not
Speaker 6: having a topic off the top.
Speaker 5: Listen, Malcolm, I don't want to put you in the middle.
Speaker 5: That is not actually canon. That's not Spikey Cannon at all.
Speaker 4: It is not.
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, he directed, He directed episodes three to seven.
Speaker 5: Really not really, no, no, all of this is pretend.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, now I'm up to speed. I'm up to speed.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: Oh well, no, here's a little and Dave walked away,
Speaker 6: so we have to do this.
Speaker 4: I went.
Speaker 6: I went on a surf trip up in unlikely cold
Speaker 6: Puget Sound of Washington, oh with friends of mine from
Speaker 6: college that I have not seen two of them in
Speaker 6: over twenty years.
Speaker 2: And it was the best time.
Speaker 6: And we went into an ocean that looked like boiling
Speaker 6: water but temperature wise was the opposite. And I'm sore,
Speaker 6: like I got beat up by a truckload of cowboys and.
Speaker 2: Norcl Surfing is It's fucking serious.
Speaker 5: People don't talk about enough, how tough you have to be,
Speaker 5: how real it is. They have legit great white sharks
Speaker 5: just swimming alongside them. Plus the water is like near
Speaker 5: zero temperatures. Plus abaloney might stick on you. Abaloney just
Speaker 5: throwing stuff in. But there's danger.
Speaker 6: Think about those the processed meatfish.
Speaker 2: I yeah, think about that crustacean.
Speaker 6: Just surfing alone, it's just like like Kyle Kanane once said,
Speaker 6: it's like falling off a roof and then having the
Speaker 6: house chase you over and over. I just got beat
Speaker 6: up by waves, but I did pretty well. I think
Speaker 6: I'm kind of caught the surfing bug, and I think
Speaker 6: I'm going to go again.
Speaker 2: I'd hope so.
Speaker 5: Because your hair screams, I'm a surfer, so you need
Speaker 5: to live up to it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the only choice I have. I look at me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just let me, Karen, Why don't you look at
Speaker 5: the guest we have today? Who is a man? Who
Speaker 5: is a He's a he's a host, a television host.
Speaker 2: He's an author.
Speaker 6: He used to be a vegan, he used to he
Speaker 6: hosted one hundred and twenty minutes. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 6: he's done it all.
Speaker 2: He's he's truly done it all.
Speaker 5: He's already been a podcaster, and now he's about to
Speaker 5: be a brand new podcaster on a brand new series,
Speaker 5: limited series that's coming out.
Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen, exactly right, Yeah, I didn't. Ladies and
Speaker 2: general please welcome mister Dave Holmes to this. Oh, hi, homes.
Speaker 4: How how are all of How are we?
Speaker 2: We are great? I think we're doing good.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Good. It looks everybody looks good. Everybody has a happy,
Speaker 4: healthy glow.
Speaker 2: So do you Your hair looks terrific?
Speaker 4: Thank you so much? Now as we well, let me
Speaker 4: let me turn these out. So yeah, I too have
Speaker 4: like gone, yeah, I'm growing the hair out. It is
Speaker 4: argually obscured by my headphones, and I'm gonna make it
Speaker 4: so that it is obscured again.
Speaker 5: Your hair has a real it has a real Beethoven
Speaker 5: vibe to it.
Speaker 2: It is wild. You seem like a mad composer.
Speaker 4: Great here, that's great. I know what I'm going for.
Speaker 4: That's a little bit what I'm going for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's happening.
Speaker 4: I'm seeing it. Okay, good, good, thank you? Yeah. I
Speaker 4: you know, a year without a barber, who's kind of
Speaker 4: you know, the impetus. And then it started ground. I
Speaker 4: was like, you know what, I'm just gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 4: let this ride, you know, like it's who knows when
Speaker 4: I'll be on camera for anything next. You know, I
Speaker 4: don't like, I don't this is the time to experiment
Speaker 4: is when you're a college sophomore or now right, and
Speaker 4: so I can't I can't have that time back. But
Speaker 4: but yeah, I'm letting it. I'm letting it go for
Speaker 4: a little. Yeah, I'm sure I'll go back to the
Speaker 4: high and tide at some point. But I've always liked
Speaker 4: the idea of being like a shaggy salt and pepper
Speaker 4: guy at some point in my life.
Speaker 5: You're starvage from You're a scarfl away from looking French.
Speaker 2: You really are right there.
Speaker 4: You said you know just what to say.
Speaker 6: You're ascott and bag it away.
Speaker 4: Really, what I feel like is is the Real World
Speaker 4: Season two replacement cast member Glenn from the band Perch.
Speaker 4: That's what I feel like I'm giving. That's a unique
Speaker 4: and specialized look, but that is what I feel like
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, readily specific did you.
Speaker 6: Have did I go to did you have a World
Speaker 6: podcast for a while or something?
Speaker 4: Yes, and I still do. I still do on occasion. Yeah.
Speaker 4: With with Mike Doughty of Soul Coughing, we're both obsessed
Speaker 4: with the Real World, and so we went episode by
Speaker 4: episode through season one. When it came out on I
Speaker 4: guess it had come out on streaming, but I got
Speaker 4: my hands on a copy of the whole season with
Speaker 4: the original music, which is that's what you got to do.
Speaker 4: And then and then there was Homecoming, and now there's
Speaker 4: going to be a second season of Homecoming with the
Speaker 4: season two people. Maybe I don't know whether it includes
Speaker 4: Glenn from Perch, but uh, we're We started recapping the
Speaker 4: London season and then and then Mike started recording a
Speaker 4: new album, and then he got a cheap ticket to Rome,
Speaker 4: so he's there for a month and now he's at
Speaker 4: some like artist commune in upstate New York. So we
Speaker 4: just haven't been able to do a new one, and
Speaker 4: we didn't and we're terrible at promoting, and we didn't
Speaker 4: say anything on social media. So the fans of the
Speaker 4: podcast think that we're feuding. And now because they think
Speaker 4: that we're feuding, we're not going to do anything to
Speaker 4: like dispel that rumor, because what a fun rumor. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I want to be I mean, I've always wanted to
Speaker 4: have a you know, an infamous beef. Yeah, a good friend.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you got to manufacture controversy, and the only other
Speaker 6: way to do that is to drop a sex tape.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I'm not. No, I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: want to see that. No, no, what to see that.
Speaker 6: You don't want to see yourself? No, other people might
Speaker 6: want to see it, but it's hard to watch yourself.
Speaker 5: That there could be a very specific like kind of
Speaker 5: VJ fetish that you know about, what if.
Speaker 4: The J fetish out there in the world.
Speaker 2: There must be, I'm sure there must be.
Speaker 4: Well, this hair is gonna put a stop to that,
Speaker 4: that's for damn sure.
Speaker 6: No, you went through that same thought process. When else
Speaker 6: am I going to have a time to do this,
Speaker 6: to exactly let the hair rite and I can't go back.
Speaker 6: I've gone in for haircuts where I'm like, I'm doing
Speaker 6: it this time, and then hair cutting people, that's what
Speaker 6: I call them, are hesitant. They'll be like, oh they
Speaker 6: all everyone secret secretly wants to go out their hair,
Speaker 6: and they won't cut mine. And they talk me into
Speaker 6: just some like a reshaping or take away the founding
Speaker 6: father triangle of it. Yes, and I haven't. I've gone
Speaker 6: in for full high and tights and I get talked
Speaker 6: out of it.
Speaker 4: So I've had that experience a couple of times my
Speaker 4: own self.
Speaker 6: Because I'm realizing it's it's less work. I guess only
Speaker 6: do a trim. I just now realized that.
Speaker 2: Well, you both have very very quality hair though.
Speaker 5: That's the kind of hair that people want to see
Speaker 5: grown out because you have like it's like, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of curly day of yours is wavy.
Speaker 2: I mean it is a good it's a good head
Speaker 2: of hair.
Speaker 4: Both. Thanks. I think, yeah, I think we both have
Speaker 4: the foundations.
Speaker 2: You and I look like we could be related.
Speaker 6: We do, I looking right now, Yeah, we used to
Speaker 6: have the same high and tight and then right now
Speaker 6: our hair is related.
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I let it go for a long long time,
Speaker 4: and and then I when it was like safe to
Speaker 4: go to the you know, to a hair a hair
Speaker 4: cutting person again, I was like, well I might as
Speaker 4: well like make a story out of it. So I
Speaker 4: like wrote a thing about because I'm not you know
Speaker 4: a lot of people that I know are doing the
Speaker 4: same thing, just like this is we're going to take
Speaker 4: this opportunity and be middle aged guys with long hair,
Speaker 4: and and it's like there are you know, there are
Speaker 4: some good things to know about you know, proper hair
Speaker 4: care and like what to do when you go because
Speaker 4: you do need every couple of months to go and
Speaker 4: have somebody get in there, you know, like you take
Speaker 4: the weight out of this area so that it doesn't
Speaker 4: so that I'm not in journey in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 4: That's a big thing, cleaning up around the ears and
Speaker 4: you know whatever. I mean, you know, so, yeah, so
Speaker 4: I did that, and now I just kind of I'm
Speaker 4: just going to keep it for a while. There's also
Speaker 4: an element of like Jackie O wearing the suit after
Speaker 4: the assassination, she was like, well, none of us were
Speaker 4: a life, but the famously she said she kept it
Speaker 4: on even though obviously it was filthy, because she was like,
Speaker 4: I want them to see what they've done. And it's
Speaker 4: like there's a part of like this last two years
Speaker 4: has been such a fucking shit show that it's like look, look, look,
Speaker 4: yeah exactly exactly, we can't go back to the way
Speaker 4: things were.
Speaker 2: By filthy, do you mean riddled with brains?
Speaker 4: I did mean riddled with brains?
Speaker 6: Oh my, I didn't know that. The piz she kept
Speaker 6: wearing it, m.
Speaker 4: H God for the rest of that day, for when
Speaker 4: they swore and all that, for like sure other stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, everyone's probably like you have to take that off,
Speaker 6: and it's like yeah, why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, I didn't help it.
Speaker 6: Jay was like, this is kind of taking the wind
Speaker 6: out of my sails exactly.
Speaker 2: We have to have the suit next to me.
Speaker 5: His sales were so full of wind before she did that.
Speaker 2: He was stoked.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the best day of my life. Thank
Speaker 2: you everyone for coming. Can I can we go back
Speaker 2: for one second? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, but I just have a question about the
Speaker 5: Real World. Yes, because I am. It's just perfectly my age.
Speaker 5: Where the first season of the Real World, I was
Speaker 5: there for every episode, I think, yeah, but it got
Speaker 5: to whenever it came got to San Francisco, it was
Speaker 5: when I stopped paying attention. But how many seasons of
Speaker 5: the Real World had their been?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't even count at this point because they
Speaker 4: used to do like one a year through the nineties, right,
Speaker 4: and then I think they started doing two and then
Speaker 4: and then there was the chal Well, then they introduced
Speaker 4: road rules, and then there was the challenge, and then
Speaker 4: it went away and then it came back like with
Speaker 4: a twist, and it was all like you're in a
Speaker 4: house with you know, strangers, but also your brother who
Speaker 4: you don't like or your ex or whatever, and so
Speaker 4: now they keep making them. But it's these like gimmicky
Speaker 4: versions that I that I have not paid attention to
Speaker 4: in a long long time. But surely we're into the
Speaker 4: thirties by.
Speaker 7: Now, sure Jesus really oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like the
Speaker 7: first eight or so or on Paramount plus and then
Speaker 7: and then there's a long break, and then it picks
Speaker 7: up at around sixteen and it's to the present day.
Speaker 2: Wow, substantively.
Speaker 5: If you and Mike Doughty makeup and you bury this hatchet,
Speaker 5: you could go back and continue podcasting on that topic
Speaker 5: from quite some time endlessly.
Speaker 4: We won't because I don't think either of us. I
Speaker 4: think maybe New Orleans was the last one that I
Speaker 4: was really like engaged in. I kept tabs on it
Speaker 4: for a few years after, but I don't like it,
Speaker 4: you know. And then then it just you know, once,
Speaker 4: once the hot tub moved into the house, it was like, no,
Speaker 4: this is not this is not what it was. This
Speaker 4: is a shock.
Speaker 2: It's not my real world.
Speaker 4: It is not my real world. I don't want to
Speaker 4: engage with it.
Speaker 5: So was that New because that sounds like a big
Speaker 5: brother move, like they were kind of maybe adopting things
Speaker 5: from other popular It was really.
Speaker 4: Round Las Vegas or Hawaii that they that they did that,
Speaker 4: and then it just like people just hit the ground
Speaker 4: fucking you know. And it wasn't like there was no
Speaker 4: there was no like, you know, young idealistic social worker anymore.
Speaker 4: There was you know, there was no cellist with a dream.
Speaker 4: It was just like everyone was hot and horny and
Speaker 4: that was that. Yeah, which is.
Speaker 2: Fine, that's.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's entertainment. Chris.
Speaker 5: Would you ever do a real World Big Brother reality
Speaker 5: shows type thing?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: I the that thing Reality Bites Back, which I was
Speaker 6: told before I did it was a Comedy Central thing
Speaker 6: and they told us it was a parody and they
Speaker 6: compared it to Reno nine to one one, a parody
Speaker 6: of reality shows. And it ended up being great. But
Speaker 6: the experience itself for all the comics was, oh, no,
Speaker 6: we get eliminated. We have to do physical things. I
Speaker 6: had to do flips off a diving board. I had
Speaker 6: to do a lot of uncomfortable things. But Theovonne from
Speaker 6: Road Rules was one of the common on that show,
Speaker 6: and I think he was kind of getting into stand
Speaker 6: up at the time. But everywhere we went. Everyone recognized
Speaker 6: THEO to where people would freak out, and that's not
Speaker 6: even real world. That's the road rules thing, which I
Speaker 6: don't even know. I know they're adjacent and there are
Speaker 6: challenges where those people have cage fights, I believe, sure,
Speaker 6: But THEO was recognized everywhere, and I was like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, this is clearly like a huge thing. But
Speaker 6: I was unhappy during the whole thing. And then I
Speaker 6: watched it and I'm like, oh, this is entertaining. I
Speaker 6: get it. It was fun to be part of that process.
Speaker 2: But well, you've done the answers. You've done one.
Speaker 6: I've done one, and it was really stressful, and I bet, yeah,
Speaker 6: I didn't enjoy it. Well, it was happening, and that's
Speaker 6: apparent on Reality Bites Back, which is not even available
Speaker 6: on iTunes anymore. I own it and I periodically watch it.
Speaker 6: But it had like Amy Schumer, it had Bert Kreischer,
Speaker 6: it had Mike lean Black as the host. It had
Speaker 6: Tiffany Hattish was on it.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's a great group. It was Yeah, everyone got famous,
Speaker 2: but I'm doing okay. Anyway.
Speaker 6: The point is it was really funny the way they
Speaker 6: edited things to then hold a mirror up to reality
Speaker 6: TV because Three Ball was a company that made reality
Speaker 6: shows and and uh, they knew how to make fun
Speaker 6: of themselves. It was just ahead of its time, I think,
Speaker 6: because you know that at that point that was the
Speaker 6: most popular television. I think if that show was made now,
Speaker 6: it would be more popular. But it was funny. I
Speaker 6: don't I'm advertising a thing that can't be watched so well.
Speaker 4: But you can, like post a little clips from it
Speaker 4: if you want.
Speaker 2: I should, and you should always look bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, show it stuff from wherever it exists, and post
Speaker 6: it elsewhere, yes, always where.
Speaker 4: I so ill this would have been like two thousand
Speaker 4: and two thousand and one. But I hosted a Real
Speaker 4: World reunion I guess it was seasons like five through eight,
Speaker 4: and it was in Las Vegas at the Joint at
Speaker 4: the hard Rock Hotel. Where else would you have it? Hell? Yes?
Speaker 4: And I and there there was like a quick walk
Speaker 4: through rehearsal thing the day before, and and you know,
Speaker 4: of course all those people know each other, right, and
Speaker 4: and so Cyrus from Boston from Real World Boston was like,
Speaker 4: you guys, I got a party van and he raned
Speaker 4: everyone up and got us in a party van and
Speaker 4: like secured us VIP tables in bottle service at like
Speaker 4: five different clubs all around town. Like I've never seen anybody,
Speaker 4: so like, proudly just be like him, I'm a famous
Speaker 4: person here I am. Let me in and give me things,
Speaker 4: and these are my thirty friends and like just without
Speaker 4: any like if I tried to do that, I would
Speaker 4: giggle myself unconscious, right, yeah, but like all of these
Speaker 4: people are like super white, hot famous, and they're just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: let's just go be famous in this club. Yeah, unbelievably ridiculous,
Speaker 4: like full night out amazing. It was great, It is great.
Speaker 4: It was great. After it was over, it was like
Speaker 4: I don't ever want to see any of those people
Speaker 4: again as long as I live. But like that, for
Speaker 4: that twelve hours or whatever it was, it was terrific. Also,
Speaker 4: I was on ecstasy and I lost my cell phone
Speaker 4: and and so Dave from Real World Seattle kept grabbing
Speaker 4: it and was just like, you are not in your
Speaker 4: right mind. I have your cell phone. And then like
Speaker 4: five minutes later I was like, where's my cell phone?
Speaker 4: Because he had it, and and I went back to
Speaker 4: my room and I was like, well, I got to
Speaker 4: call my cell phone and it's like five in the morning.
Speaker 4: I got to call my cell phone. Whoever picks it up,
Speaker 4: they have it, and I'll get it. Completely forgot they've
Speaker 4: had it. And I just picked up the hotel room
Speaker 4: phone and my like like finger did a familiar phone
Speaker 4: number pattern. It was my parents' house. I just accidentally,
Speaker 4: on ecstasy, called my parents' house five in the morning.
Speaker 2: Oh how long did you talk to them? And tell me?
Speaker 4: As soon as my mother picked up, I was like,
Speaker 4: and I'm.
Speaker 2: Not that high on ecstasy.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, that will sober you right up.
Speaker 2: Wait, can I ask the question?
Speaker 5: Is your parents' home phone number the same as when
Speaker 5: you were a kid.
Speaker 4: At that time? It was yeah, yeah, I think it's
Speaker 4: high school on yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that's
Speaker 4: a familiar number. Stupid. And also like I am not
Speaker 4: a Las Vegas ecstasy person at all, but it's like
Speaker 4: just the the same and that, you know, the the
Speaker 4: glamour that surrounds the real world and road rules people
Speaker 4: in the year two thousand. It's just like you make
Speaker 4: some decisions that you later regret. Whatever.
Speaker 5: Don't you think we're all kind of Las Vegas ecstasy people,
Speaker 5: because that's the whole idea Las Vegas is this thing.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I kind of love about it.
Speaker 5: That just made me think of us going. I wrote
Speaker 5: on Zach Alphinaz's VH one talk show that was short
Speaker 5: lived but kind of epic in that.
Speaker 4: There boards for a town.
Speaker 5: There were billboards for it all over town. They were
Speaker 5: trying to do this hipster call out thing that they
Speaker 5: got wrong. But the music bookings were in fucking credible.
Speaker 5: The Foo Fighters played on the show like that. The
Speaker 5: music bookings were amazing. Ice Cube was on it like
Speaker 5: it was great. So when it was over, we went
Speaker 5: to basically uh, Zach and Joe Wagon.
Speaker 2: And maybe Tom Sharp.
Speaker 5: We all went out to meet Zach for some kind
Speaker 5: of a VH one party and it was at one
Speaker 5: of those clubs. And I don't drink, but on this one,
Speaker 5: I was like, well, I'm going to have a little
Speaker 5: bit of champagne, and I like we just sat in
Speaker 5: want some kind of like separate VIP room. But you
Speaker 5: could overlook there was some kind of VH one party
Speaker 5: because Cindy Lauper was there. I remember looking over and
Speaker 5: Sidney Lauper was like standing on a balcony looking really pissed.
Speaker 5: It must have been some kind of like whatever one something,
Speaker 5: But anyway, we just everybody got really fucked up. And
Speaker 5: at one point I was just dancing like it was
Speaker 5: my job. And it was like Joe and Zach and
Speaker 5: we were in a we were in a VIP suite
Speaker 5: that it was Tommy Lee's VIP suite, so he was
Speaker 5: there too.
Speaker 2: It was it was sanity.
Speaker 5: It was in sanity, and I was just like it
Speaker 5: was everyone a little bit lost their mind. And the
Speaker 5: next day when we had to fly home, I was
Speaker 5: so hungover. I the second I woke up, I started
Speaker 5: throwing up, and I threw up all the way until
Speaker 5: we boarded the plane, like Champagne, no no, no, I'd
Speaker 5: been okay, okay, it went it went a little sideways.
Speaker 5: But I think that's there's something about that where it's
Speaker 5: like I never do that. But then if the combination
Speaker 5: is right and you're in Las Vegas, it's literally like
Speaker 5: any truly anything goes not Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 4: Real, Yeah, it is. It is. They pipe in bad
Speaker 4: decision powder like into the into the ventilation systems, like
Speaker 4: it's it's definitely like I've never I've never had a
Speaker 4: mistake free time in Las Vegas. Ever, that's not always
Speaker 4: huge and bad, but there's always one. There's always one miscalculation.
Speaker 6: Becausely and consistently over my life, I I already make
Speaker 6: bad mistakes, and I already drink, and I already go out.
Speaker 6: So when I'm in Las Vegas, I'm kind of like, uh,
Speaker 6: you know what, I'm going to be the sober guy tonight.
Speaker 6: I don't like when everyone else is doing it. I
Speaker 6: don't want to, which is a famous Cranberry's album. I
Speaker 6: just yeah, I don't like Vegas as much because of
Speaker 6: that pressure, like or New Year's or Halloween. It's like,
Speaker 6: you know what I did New Year's last Wednesday, I'm
Speaker 6: not going to do it when everyone else is parking
Speaker 6: is bad, right, Like you go to Vegas and it's
Speaker 6: just you're seeing everyone's dad on their worst behavior, drinking
Speaker 6: from a big plastic bong. They have these giant blue
Speaker 6: Everyone's got a giant, long blue drinking thing.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4: Yes, of course, yeah, but a yard of something blue,
Speaker 4: which is just like, no, you do, yeah, you don't
Speaker 4: need that. New Orleans is also very similar in that,
Speaker 4: you know, like it's it is. It is people who
Speaker 4: don't normally behave this way show up there and they
Speaker 4: go to Fat Tuesday's and they get some frozen beverage
Speaker 4: and immediately they black out and it's just an okay.
Speaker 4: So I was there. This goes back eight or so
Speaker 4: years and and I and I like you, was like,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to participate. Also, I was working, we
Speaker 4: had an early call, and I was like, okay, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna whatever, hang out in my room, go to bed
Speaker 4: at nine o'clock. At like ten o'clock, I hear what
Speaker 4: as a dog owner, I immediately recognize as the sound of
Speaker 4: urine hitting a carpet, right and I so I go,
Speaker 4: and I like, listen at my door, and it is
Speaker 4: sure enough like someone pissing on the in front of
Speaker 4: my door. I so I throw open the door and
Speaker 4: it is fully Millhouse's dad from the Simpsons, with his
Speaker 4: dick in one hand and a glass of something blue
Speaker 4: in the other and fully just urine, right and uh.
Speaker 4: And so I go, what are you doing? And he's like,
Speaker 4: and I said, where's your room? He said, I said,
Speaker 4: pants up? And uh? And I like, I grabbed him
Speaker 4: around the shoulder and I marched him down the elevator
Speaker 4: into the lobby and I deposited him to the manager.
Speaker 4: And I was just like, this man just on my door.
Speaker 4: Whatever tournament, his room was directly across from mine. I
Speaker 4: just didn't you didn't remember what his room was, or
Speaker 4: he didn't have many across from him, uh like two
Speaker 4: or three more I didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it
Speaker 4: was just like, oh, you just don't know how to
Speaker 4: do this, and yeah, that's what happens. And now it's
Speaker 4: like now some poor you know, maintenance person or whatever
Speaker 4: is going to have to scrub your urine out of
Speaker 4: a hotel carpet. You know you can't.
Speaker 6: That's the other thing I like about Vegas is they
Speaker 6: probably left that you're in.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a filthy, filthy city.
Speaker 4: It is. It's disgusting.
Speaker 2: Well, it happened so much New Orleans.
Speaker 5: Like when I went to New Orleans, I didn't drink,
Speaker 5: and but I watched people have like one hurricane those
Speaker 5: hurricane drinks where you're just it's just like somebody being
Speaker 5: like see you later, Like it's only going to take
Speaker 5: me one drink. Yeah, it's like we're skipping to two
Speaker 5: thirty am. But like right now at dinner at seven am.
Speaker 2: It's insane.
Speaker 4: It's insane. The only experience that I've had like that,
Speaker 4: well it's not the only experience I've had like that,
Speaker 4: but the one that I remember best is having malort
Speaker 4: in Chicago some friends. I was there for a few
Speaker 4: months some years ago, and some friends had me over
Speaker 4: for dinner and like in a bunch of a bunch
Speaker 4: of Chicago people they wanted to introduce me to and
Speaker 4: they were like, because we're introducing you to Chicago, you
Speaker 4: have to have my Lord. And there, you know, there
Speaker 4: had been wine at dinner and stuff, and I had
Speaker 4: I had my alert, which I don't know if you've
Speaker 4: had it, but it's this like wormwood liqueur that is
Speaker 4: it's like big in Chicago.
Speaker 2: It's like yegger Reister type thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, in that way, it's like whatever that is.
Speaker 4: And and I had it and and then I was, well,
Speaker 4: that's awful. And five minutes later, then it was forty
Speaker 4: five minutes later, Yeah, like I was. I was I
Speaker 4: was like conscious of like, oh I just lost time.
Speaker 4: That's not like it's like you know, like that kind
Speaker 4: of sleep where you close your eyes and you open
Speaker 4: I and this the next morning I was like in
Speaker 4: this part of the room, and then I was in
Speaker 4: that part of the room and it was like, I don't,
Speaker 4: let's not do that ever again.
Speaker 6: That's why Millort sounds like a magical wizard's name. It does,
Speaker 6: it does, takes it away time.
Speaker 4: It takes away time. It's an evil wizard.
Speaker 5: I wonder if it's wormwood, if it's that like that,
Speaker 5: what's the green one that that? Yes, I wonder if
Speaker 5: it's similar to that where there's almost like a psychedelic.
Speaker 2: Aspect to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be in the absent family. I could
Speaker 4: still be this could still be my imagination from that.
Speaker 4: It could be twenty fifteen. I might still be Yeah,
Speaker 4: in Katie Reef's living room in Chicago.
Speaker 6: You know, I know, No, we can't kind of gross
Speaker 6: about me. Is the thing I like the most about
Speaker 6: Vegas back when I did this is you could smoke
Speaker 6: in an elevator sae.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 6: There was a nass phrase in the elevator and I'm like,
Speaker 6: we're the living life.
Speaker 4: Now, Oh out a cigarette for a second.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't have to you don't have
Speaker 5: to live that way. Wait, can I tell my favorite
Speaker 5: Vegas elevator story, and I know I've told it already
Speaker 5: on this podcast, so sorry, Chris. But this was we
Speaker 5: were in Vegas, I can't remember why. It was me
Speaker 5: and marylynd Rice Cub and somebody else, and we were
Speaker 5: in an elevator and there was an old couple like
Speaker 5: in their probably seventies that were there, like you know,
Speaker 5: to play like Bingo Hall bingo and be tourists. And
Speaker 5: then this girl and this guy got on the elevator
Speaker 5: and the girl was fucking hammered and she had a
Speaker 5: full on like Vegas outfit, like a cute little mini
Speaker 5: dress and she was out on the town, but she
Speaker 5: was shit faced. And the late the second they stepped on,
Speaker 5: and the girl was like giggling and stuff, the old
Speaker 5: lady just got this look on her face like she
Speaker 5: was so pissed.
Speaker 2: She's like she's she's.
Speaker 5: Like I got her arms crossed or whatever, and the
Speaker 5: girl's kind of looking around and giggling. And then when
Speaker 5: that old couple got off the elevator, the doors closed,
Speaker 5: and this this drunk girl turns to me and Marilyn
Speaker 5: and goes, Nana was pissed. I thought she was like
Speaker 5: I thought she was blacked out, but she was fucking
Speaker 5: right there with the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It was so hilarious. I love her perfect thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was like, what's her problem? It was the best.
Speaker 4: The thing that we used to do a lot. Scott
Speaker 4: Gimble and I used to do this, but well, I
Speaker 4: don't know, bunch, we did a half full of times.
Speaker 4: Just like Monday night in Vegas, just hop on a
Speaker 4: Southwest for forty bucks or whatever. There it's like everything
Speaker 4: is cheap, no one is there except for like some
Speaker 4: sad conference. You know, you have you have the run
Speaker 4: of the place because like you know, the clubs don't
Speaker 4: really close. I mean we're not clubs people, but like
Speaker 4: nothing really closes. So you just anywhere that you've wanted
Speaker 4: to go, you can just go and it's like it's
Speaker 4: everything is super cheap. You can get a hotel room
Speaker 4: for nothing, and then you know, get back on a
Speaker 4: plane the next morning and go to work. It's like
Speaker 4: it was so easy and fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's apeal to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, everything does appeal to me as far as going
Speaker 6: somewhere and having fun.
Speaker 4: Being in any place feels really enticing and compelling.
Speaker 5: Right now, will you talking about going to clubs with
Speaker 5: the real world people.
Speaker 2: But my heart started to raise, so I was like, yes,
Speaker 2: go get in the limo, Dave. It's like that already happened.
Speaker 4: It's sorry, but I would do it again. I would
Speaker 4: do it again. They, by the way, have now a
Speaker 4: real world road Rules Challenge. That's all the old people.
Speaker 4: So like Mark Long from the first season of road Rules,
Speaker 4: who is fifty if he's one day old is like,
Speaker 4: you know, in an under armour tank, you know, pushing
Speaker 4: a boulder up a hill or whatever. It's all like,
Speaker 4: it's all like the original, like it's the stallwarts of
Speaker 4: the franchise are back. I haven't watched it. It feels
Speaker 4: like I might, you know, consider my mortality more than
Speaker 4: I want to. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to face some stuff.
Speaker 4: I'm don't have to face some stuff and I'm not
Speaker 4: ready to.
Speaker 2: Karen, don't do it if you don't want to.
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm just going to tell you I
Speaker 4: just received a text notification from super producer of the
Speaker 4: Exactly Right Family, Kyle Crichton. Yes Quen for Impact is
Speaker 4: the number one podcast in the music category. Yes as
Speaker 4: U September twenty fourth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Guys and the trailer. Just the trailer, just a trailer, yes,
Speaker 2: so so exciting.
Speaker 4: Congress, will we keep people once it's a thing that
Speaker 4: is longer than three minutes, we'll see and see.
Speaker 6: We've got taken a podcast about the movie Deep Impact.
Speaker 4: Right, that is correct, That is correct. We try to
Speaker 4: wed a question that we need to answer, is is
Speaker 4: this the one that Ti Leoni is in.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that.
Speaker 4: We don't. I don't. I don't want to spoil anything,
Speaker 4: but we never really do answer that question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that might be season two. You can tackle on
Speaker 5: season two.
Speaker 2: What's it really? What can you really jokes aside?
Speaker 5: Tell us, yeah, give us the rundown of waiting for impact.
Speaker 6: Pretend we're a long table of executives.
Speaker 4: Now go oh oh god, oh.
Speaker 6: Really that angry look on my face, A nice suit, and.
Speaker 5: You're emitting my fingertips to intimidate.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, you've really set me up for success. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so they're okay. So in the in the Bois to
Speaker 4: Men Motown, Philly video from nineteen ninety one, thirty years ago. There,
Speaker 4: if you'd like it, if you'd like me, yep, that's it.
Speaker 2: I do it every time. Family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so there, you know, there's like a mini
Speaker 4: role call of you know, Boised Men, ABC, another Bad
Speaker 4: Creation BBD, be Able to Devote whatever Michael Bivins is
Speaker 4: building his East Coast family empire and UH. And so
Speaker 4: those groups are are also sort of featured in moments
Speaker 4: in bois to Men's debut video, so like they're a
Speaker 4: band that's about to become huge, and their manager, Michael
Speaker 4: Bivins is like, here's what you gotta do and like,
Speaker 4: and he puts these other acts in there so that
Speaker 4: they can kind of get a boost as well. And
Speaker 4: among those, although they are not in the lyrics of
Speaker 4: the song, is a five member boy band called Sudden Impact,
Speaker 4: and they have a little moment and it's against a black,
Speaker 4: seamless background and literally their name is in lights above
Speaker 4: them and they point at the camera real cocky like
Speaker 4: like here we come, what Sudden Impact? Are you ready?
Speaker 4: And I was ready, and nothing happened. Nothing that I
Speaker 4: was able to see ever happened. And I've always in
Speaker 4: the back of my mind been like there's a story there,
Speaker 4: but there was never like the right way to tell it,
Speaker 4: you know. It was like it's not a book probably
Speaker 4: and it's probably too involved for like a magazine piece.
Speaker 4: And then I was like, what if it's a podcast?
Speaker 4: What if I track these guys down and it's a podcast?
Speaker 4: And seven to twelve years ago, Karen and I had
Speaker 4: a conversation about it.
Speaker 5: Seriously, easily three if not four years ago.
Speaker 4: It's a long time ago. It was at the one
Speaker 4: on one diner. Yeah, so it's at least two. Here's
Speaker 4: a because that shit's been close for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Right. Our development process takes a while. We're very boutique
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what it's worth it. It's worth it.
Speaker 4: You've got to take the time. We will really get
Speaker 4: to a podcast before it's time. But yeah, So I
Speaker 4: mentioned it to Karen and Georgia and Danielle Kramer a
Speaker 4: while ago, and they're like, let's do this and I
Speaker 4: was like all right, and so so we did. And
Speaker 4: then and then immediately I was like, well, I really
Speaker 4: hope there's a story here, because now I am now wet.
Speaker 2: You hadn't done any investigating or I had done.
Speaker 4: I had done the minimum of investigation to know that
Speaker 4: these people were at least some of them were still alive. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then yeah, and then we began the process of
Speaker 4: trying to track them down and tell the story, and
Speaker 4: it's just become a thing that is like, you know,
Speaker 4: when when you talk about anything that happened in the
Speaker 4: early nineties, and you know, the crazy white hot fame
Speaker 4: of real world people included, you immediately start to realize
Speaker 4: how fundamentally different life in the nineties was, Like just
Speaker 4: everything about the way that we consumed entertainment was totally different.
Speaker 4: And you know, things changed gradually over the course of decades. Okay,
Speaker 4: that is something an executive would do in the middle
Speaker 4: of a pitch.
Speaker 5: Straw loud, empty starze, drink, empty sucking.
Speaker 2: I tried to pull the mic away, but it was.
Speaker 5: It was too late, Chris, Chris, it was too late
Speaker 5: a commentary, it was, it was.
Speaker 4: But it's you know, there's so much to get into
Speaker 4: in the way that like, you know, just the fundamental
Speaker 4: facts of the nineties, you know, and and the way
Speaker 4: that you if you liked a record, you had to
Speaker 4: go and get it into your hands so that you
Speaker 4: put it into a machine that could translate it and
Speaker 4: into a thing that you could hear, and that machine
Speaker 4: was like at home, yeah, you know, so like you
Speaker 4: had whatever and also just like the nature of like fame,
Speaker 4: and you know, you hit middle ages I have, and
Speaker 4: it's like if you are somebody who had and has
Speaker 4: you know, artistic goals or dreams or whatever, it's like
Speaker 4: you get out into the actual world and you know,
Speaker 4: life is different than what your expectations and dreams were.
Speaker 4: Not in necessarily a bad way, but it is different anyway.
Speaker 4: It's just the more that I got into the story,
Speaker 4: the more it was like, this is about a lot.
Speaker 4: This touches on a million areas that really interest me.
Speaker 4: And so we now have waiting for impact at Dave
Speaker 4: Holmes's Passion Projects with the excellent team at exactly right well.
Speaker 5: And if I may say as a person who has
Speaker 5: gotten to listen to this and has been excited since
Speaker 5: the pitch, because we all know that kind of thing
Speaker 5: where like there's pitches where you just hear it and
Speaker 5: you're like, it's just a great idea. This People will
Speaker 5: like this because you don't have to know, you don't
Speaker 5: have to have been there to have a person tell
Speaker 5: you the story of it and get you and pull
Speaker 5: you in.
Speaker 2: But the thing that I.
Speaker 5: Love and the thing that is it's very exciting to
Speaker 5: work with someone like Dave because he's a journalist, so
Speaker 5: he's like, you know, he's business bottom line, right, And
Speaker 5: so in these first couple of episodes where it was like.
Speaker 2: How is this going to last?
Speaker 5: And then pulling out themes so there's just really it's
Speaker 5: aside from the story itself, which is a very interesting
Speaker 5: thing from a very specific time, there's also these themes
Speaker 5: that are very universal about like, you know, the goals
Speaker 5: we give ourselves, the expectations we put on ourselves. When
Speaker 5: we don't meet them, what happens. How that's not always
Speaker 5: a bad thing. Failing is not a bad thing, even
Speaker 5: though our culture tells us exactly the opposite. It actually
Speaker 5: spurs you on to do other things, like it's a
Speaker 5: really great it's just a great listen. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of really amazing stuff in that podcast.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 6: And it's all all ten episodes that are finished.
Speaker 4: They are, yeah, I are if you're if you're a
Speaker 4: Stitcher premium subscrit all in a row, if you want to,
Speaker 4: now that has been a lot of me, all at once,
Speaker 4: ten hours of Dave get into it. It's a lot.
Speaker 4: It's a lot. You can do it if you want
Speaker 4: to do it. You can do it. If not, new
Speaker 4: episodes will come out every Tuesday starting October twelfth.
Speaker 6: In the early nineties. I know that people ask you
Speaker 6: about this all the time, but I know you pretty
Speaker 6: well and I've never what how did you end up
Speaker 6: submitting yourself or trying to be on that the VJ?
Speaker 2: Do you want to be a VJ? What was it called?
Speaker 2: I remember seeing it and rooting.
Speaker 6: For you and and not Nikki six or whatever his
Speaker 6: name is, Jessica camp Right, No, that guy took everyone
Speaker 6: by storm. But and then you after that, if I'm
Speaker 6: not mistaken, just legitimately, they're like, well, all joke aside,
Speaker 6: let's actually give this guy a job, right like they
Speaker 6: then employed do.
Speaker 4: Well. I do love that you asked if I submitted myself,
Speaker 4: because it is what I did. I duck myself in the.
Speaker 6: Mail they went to Saint Louis. Yeah, you said, a
Speaker 6: vial of your blood.
Speaker 4: Uh. No, I lived in New York. It was it
Speaker 4: was happening in New York, Okay, and I was already
Speaker 4: living there. I was working in advertising, uh and not
Speaker 4: doing well and uh, and I was like looking for
Speaker 4: something else. I knew that I was destined for something else.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what, but of course, like the MTV
Speaker 4: VJ job is like the dream job, you just get
Speaker 4: to talk about music and go all over the place
Speaker 4: and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I was at work, and this was early internet days,
Speaker 4: like we did. I didn't have a I guess I
Speaker 4: had AOL or something at home, but sure at my
Speaker 4: office I had sure angel Fire. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I heard think show it's on the.
Speaker 4: So I on Thursday mornings from my office computer, I
Speaker 4: would go to Billboard dot com and check the charts
Speaker 4: on Tuesday Tuesday mornings, I don't know whatever it was.
Speaker 4: And I went to check them on this April day
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety eight, and there was a sidebar story
Speaker 4: saying MTV is going to hold an open call for VJs.
Speaker 4: And it's like, well, that's I'm going. I'm going. And
Speaker 4: so I called in sick from work that Monday, the
Speaker 4: day of the thing, and I went and.
Speaker 2: And it was indeed, submit yourself.
Speaker 4: I did, indeed submit myself. I did stand in line
Speaker 4: and all that. Yes, And it was this thing that
Speaker 4: was once you got to like the top ten that Wednesday,
Speaker 4: then they narrowed down to five and then we were
Speaker 4: on the live show on like Thursday and Friday, and
Speaker 4: then they were on Saturday. There was a live like
Speaker 4: a four hour live event, and I didn't get the job,
Speaker 4: but I was like, I'm going to yeah, I'm going
Speaker 4: to get a job here, Like there's no I was
Speaker 4: twenty six or twenty seven at the time, yeah, and I,
Speaker 4: you know, had worked in the actual real world for
Speaker 4: long enough to know that I wanted to be there
Speaker 4: doing that. And so I was like, well, I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna go to the wrap party and just like shake
Speaker 4: every hand and get every business card and like you know,
Speaker 4: and everyone was very supportive, all the exacts, all the
Speaker 4: execs who were my age were all like, you know,
Speaker 4: you should work for UST in some way, and I
Speaker 4: was like, great, I would love to. And I just
Speaker 4: like I went home and I started writing a bunch
Speaker 4: of half assed like pitches and things, and I just
Speaker 4: kept calling like that Monday, I was like, they'll forget
Speaker 4: me if I don't. Tommy gunned them with phone calls
Speaker 4: and emails. Yeah, And so I did and it ended
Speaker 4: up working out.
Speaker 6: That's great, And because that's something I've never been comfortable doing.
Speaker 2: Now I am.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but at that age, it's like I was too
Speaker 6: scared to put po out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember like my self talk being like put
Speaker 4: your feelings in a box somewhere, lock them, lock them
Speaker 4: in a trunk, and just have them later. Be shameless,
Speaker 4: like be be as confident as you have ever pretended
Speaker 4: to be, and just you know, keep going because you'll
Speaker 4: either get a meeting and a polite no or yes uh,
Speaker 4: or they'll just be like we don't have anything for you,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, no, stand that you
Speaker 4: shame you.
Speaker 5: No, you came in second place. Like that's the perfect move.
Speaker 5: That's that's Jennifer Hudson on American Idol and so many
Speaker 5: other people where it's like you all of that is
Speaker 5: people know, there's a politic aspect, there's a there's you know,
Speaker 5: there could have been some executive somewhere that's like pulling
Speaker 5: the levers. Who knows, but you showing up like there's
Speaker 5: some about the good sportsmanship of you being like, thank
Speaker 5: you so much because you're not bitter for being second place.
Speaker 5: You're grateful and you're there to go HI. This was amazing.
Speaker 2: I love it. That's what people like to be around.
Speaker 5: That whole idea of like, oh, you know, I'm mad
Speaker 5: or I'm going to go and cross my arms in
Speaker 5: the corner.
Speaker 2: No one gives a shit. They don't have time for
Speaker 2: people like that.
Speaker 5: And you basically met that with like this is a positive,
Speaker 5: this is an opportunity, and everyone goes, fuck, yeah, we
Speaker 5: want to be around a guy.
Speaker 6: Like that, right, Plus they all are riddled with sympathy
Speaker 6: because they're like, oh god, that's the guy the lost.
Speaker 4: Exactly, totally.
Speaker 2: Use it.
Speaker 4: You can work to that. You can absolutely work that angle.
Speaker 5: Why not well, And just because people voted for Jesse
Speaker 5: Camp doesn't mean that was.
Speaker 2: Their pick, the executive's pick. No, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like you give them the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 4: And you know the thing is I did benefit from that,
Speaker 4: you know, dichotomy, that that sort of like binary between
Speaker 4: me and him, because I mean he's he was a
Speaker 4: wild attention getting character in a way that I will
Speaker 4: never be. But also you know, there there is an
Speaker 4: element of like, you know, speaking in complete sentences at
Speaker 4: a TV job entails and so so you know, when
Speaker 4: I was around the halls and like new shows are
Speaker 4: being developed or weekend specials were being developed or whatever,
Speaker 4: it was like he'd get a segment, but then they
Speaker 4: would just be like, who's going to anchor the thing?
Speaker 4: And if I was around the hallway, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: I always was like if my job had me there
Speaker 4: two days a week, I was there five days a
Speaker 4: week because like why the fuck not be there in
Speaker 4: the nerve center.
Speaker 2: So it's just kind of always advertising.
Speaker 4: Yes, I did, I did. I had to like phase
Speaker 4: by that time, I was like temping. I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I was sort of was doing a little
Speaker 4: bit of both for a minute. And then there was
Speaker 4: a night where I had to like it was my
Speaker 4: last day in my advertising office and somebody knew was
Speaker 4: about to start, and I had to get kind of
Speaker 4: everything in order. And I was there on a weekend
Speaker 4: kind of late into a Sunday night, and and then
Speaker 4: I went home. And then that Monday morning, a town
Speaker 4: car came to pick me up at my apartment and
Speaker 4: take me to the beach house because it was summer. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I got out and like funk Master Flex was
Speaker 4: like playing and it was Michael Bergen from Baywatch had
Speaker 4: a workout show, so it was like Eric, I guess Eric,
Speaker 4: and went on the pastures New By then.
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, but yeah, and dolphins already sure, sure, but yeah.
Speaker 4: It was just like I got out of this is
Speaker 4: I do this now? This is my life.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's so cool. Wild as hell, wild, like overnight
Speaker 2: from tempting to the.
Speaker 4: Literally overnight, like literally over night.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was completely wild. Can't beat that ship.
Speaker 2: No, that's amazing.
Speaker 6: The only thing with MTV that I really did. I
Speaker 6: actually recorded it every night and I had a stack
Speaker 6: of VHS tapes was one hundred and twenty minutes. Yes,
Speaker 6: and you for a while. How how did you they
Speaker 6: you just went that direction like no, I.
Speaker 4: Just they needed they needed a host for a while.
Speaker 4: I wasn't there for very long. And I'll tell you
Speaker 4: I was there for three or four months.
Speaker 6: But there because I remember you being on there. That's
Speaker 6: how I watched it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would maybe fill in on occasion, but I
Speaker 4: was only like full time there for like three or
Speaker 4: four months, and it definitely started as like an interim thing.
Speaker 4: And I mean I wanted to make it full time,
Speaker 4: but I was also hosting say What Karaoke at the
Speaker 4: same time, which was a very poppy daytime you know,
Speaker 4: strip show and so like. So some people wrote actual
Speaker 4: angry letters that like a pop guy was hosting the
Speaker 4: alternative show, and the executives, who again were you know,
Speaker 4: twenty six, twenty seven years old, were sensitive to that.
Speaker 4: And so so I forget, I forget who ended up
Speaker 4: getting it out after me. That person stayed on for
Speaker 4: at Penfield. Penfield was before me.
Speaker 6: I mean, those guys, anyone that's ever hosted one hundred
Speaker 6: and twenty minutes just seems like they were a roadie
Speaker 6: for the pick Seeds at.
Speaker 4: Something exactly exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: They have like a raspy voice from Paul Cable.
Speaker 4: A lot of Also, at the moment that I was
Speaker 4: hosting it, it was difficult to know what alternative meant.
Speaker 4: It was a weird. It was like ninety nine ish
Speaker 4: two thousand and you know, the the post Nirvana thing
Speaker 4: had sort of petered out. Yeah, and so the acts
Speaker 4: that I was interviewing, as I remember them, were stained,
Speaker 4: Sean Nolins, oh wow, yeah, Liz Fair, who I love,
Speaker 4: and Tori Amos. But then but then also all these
Speaker 4: like sludgy, depressing soul Patch guys who was like, I
Speaker 4: don't understand why they're here. I don't understand why I'm here.
Speaker 4: It was like my dream show. But it was just
Speaker 4: a weird time for alternative music.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's funny though, because I miss when
Speaker 6: saying I like alternative music did answer the question when
Speaker 6: someone says what kind of music do you like? Because
Speaker 6: now I'm like, I don't know. The words aren't indie,
Speaker 6: alt indy.
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I get for there's a million.
Speaker 6: When asked that question, because there isn't a word at least,
Speaker 6: alternative was all encompassing of everything I was willing to
Speaker 6: listen to, with the exception of the band Live or
Speaker 6: Three Doors Down or Third Eyed Blind or Goo Goo
Speaker 6: Dolls or you know.
Speaker 4: I Okay, the list does go on. Okay, let me
Speaker 4: let me tell you something. Let me tell you Okay.
Speaker 4: So this is probably eighteen years ago. Maybe this is
Speaker 4: like very shortly after I moved to Los Angeles. There
Speaker 4: are uh, late times with Zach billboards all over Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: What was it called late late world world?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Late world and uh. And I was living a sort
Speaker 4: of near Lakma that doesn't who cares, but but a
Speaker 4: bar that I would go to a lot was Barney's Beanery.
Speaker 4: I was young, callow youth and I would often go
Speaker 4: to Barney's Beanery, which is sort of a low key
Speaker 4: gay bar. It's in the neighborhood, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a lot of like conflicted guys in their mid
Speaker 4: twenties who like don't want to go to you know,
Speaker 4: acbar or the abbey or whatever. Yeah, but they'll go.
Speaker 2: I can't go all the way into West there edge.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and they're you know whatever, like
Speaker 4: they're straight, but no they're not anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also, it's always karaoke night at Barney's.
Speaker 2: That's why I went there.
Speaker 6: I was sure no one knows how much I used
Speaker 6: to send karaoke there, and I'm getting really secret even today.
Speaker 4: Oh, our paths surely crossed back in those days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they did, you probably it was used saying,
Speaker 2: well that was that. It's okay.
Speaker 4: Well, it's just it's just I don't know that I
Speaker 4: ever on purpose went for karaoke night, but it just
Speaker 4: seemed like every time I was here, it's karaoke night,
Speaker 4: and you know, and just the smell of a of
Speaker 4: a fried potato permeates the joint. But uh so I'm
Speaker 4: at a booth with some friends with my back to
Speaker 4: the stage. Uh, lightning crashes by Live starts off karaoke
Speaker 4: night and and the singer sounds so much like Ed
Speaker 4: from Live. It's like, that's right me, No, Chris, Chris,
Speaker 4: that sounds a lot like Ed.
Speaker 2: That was that was okay?
Speaker 4: But it wasn't because it was Ed from Live. I
Speaker 4: turned around and it was Ed's It was the actual
Speaker 4: Ed from Live sing his song. I think this was
Speaker 4: after rat Tail, but but like I like everyone like
Speaker 4: rushed up the stage, including me, and like and we
Speaker 4: were just like watching it. And what I remember most
Speaker 4: of all was that like everyone was looking at each
Speaker 4: other for like social cues on like what is what
Speaker 4: is this? What does how does this feel like? Do
Speaker 4: we like this? Or is this?
Speaker 2: Is this the nerdiest thing of all the cost?
Speaker 4: Is this the saddest thing of all time? Is this
Speaker 4: the biggest power move of all time? I don't know.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna subcontract my feelings about
Speaker 4: this to the crowd, and like, truly we did not
Speaker 4: come to a consensus.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: And I still don't really know when I did this.
Speaker 6: I did this golf tournament in Montana and there was
Speaker 6: a the night I had to do stand up for
Speaker 6: all these ex NFL players. Some guy was playing Who's
Speaker 6: the Guitar? And it sounded like Bob Denver and it
Speaker 6: was nice to have it. It was just like rocky
Speaker 6: Mountain high music. And then all of a sudden, this
Speaker 6: guest came and starts, Oh yeah, but no, no, no,
Speaker 6: it was and it was all songs about hammocks and
Speaker 6: the skipper.
Speaker 2: But this guy started.
Speaker 6: Singing with this acoustic guitar player this this in sync song,
Speaker 6: and he sounded pretty good but not amazing. But it
Speaker 6: was Chris, the guy named Patrick. Yeah, yeah, he lives
Speaker 6: at Big Sky and he stag with him and saying
Speaker 6: country songs and all, and everyone started filming him and.
Speaker 2: It took me away.
Speaker 6: Sorry it was who this guy from in Sync? But
Speaker 6: now he's just a dude that looks like a golfer
Speaker 6: and he knows there and he's like, sure, I'll show
Speaker 6: up and yeah, off stage because I'm having so much fun. Actually,
Speaker 6: at the end, I really liked him a lot. He
Speaker 6: did every genre of music and uh yeah with this
Speaker 6: old guy playing guitar, and they'd obviously played together before.
Speaker 6: Sure they're the only two musicians in all of Big
Speaker 6: Sky on. Sure, yeah, you know what, but everyone pulled
Speaker 6: out their phones and yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: And then it was And then immediately the next day
Speaker 4: they looked at their photos and they're like, I don't
Speaker 4: remember that guy's name. Yeah, yeah, but I bet that's
Speaker 4: a good life. Like I think it is probably a
Speaker 4: lot of pressure to be justin Timberlake. Yeah, yes, but
Speaker 4: it's got to be a lot of fun to be
Speaker 4: Chris Kirkpatrick, It's definitely a lot of fun to be
Speaker 4: Joey Fittone, right, Yeah, he's like I think he knew
Speaker 4: even in the day, like I'm not going to have
Speaker 4: a music career after this, but I'll yea a massive
Speaker 4: fortune and I'll just like I guess I'll host some
Speaker 4: GSN game shows after this is over, you know.
Speaker 5: I will do a deep tease for for Waiting for Impact,
Speaker 5: there is a guest.
Speaker 2: Do you want to say the name or not?
Speaker 4: I think we have said the name?
Speaker 5: You have? Joe McIntyre from The Kids on the Blog
Speaker 5: gave interviews him on one episode and he is it
Speaker 5: was much too late for me, obviously. I couldn't love
Speaker 5: that guy more, Like he just is so salt of
Speaker 5: the earth.
Speaker 4: He's like treasure.
Speaker 2: He's come through the fire in a very real way. Yes, look,
Speaker 2: I look at kids.
Speaker 6: I look at the new kids in a different way
Speaker 6: because I actually was kind of rooting for them, and
Speaker 6: then they came out with their harder stuff where Marky
Speaker 6: Mark's cousin was like wrapping and stuff, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 6: they're adapting.
Speaker 2: Are they going to bed?
Speaker 6: I was listening to it and starting to like it,
Speaker 6: and I was already going into high school and listening
Speaker 6: to the here and stuff. But man, oh yeah, we
Speaker 6: always rooted for them.
Speaker 4: We will get into their hip hop moments. Don't you worry.
Speaker 2: Coming up waiting for it.
Speaker 4: I can't believe it's out in the world about.
Speaker 5: To be Congratulations on your your number one spot on
Speaker 5: the music. I mean, that's very exciting, and that's a
Speaker 5: great it's it's it's modes well for the performance of it.
Speaker 5: But it doesn't matter if ten people listen to it
Speaker 5: or a billion.
Speaker 2: Great, it's great.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, matters very much, and we'll have him.
Speaker 5: We'll definitely have a meeting if only ten people listen.
Speaker 2: But it's a quality.
Speaker 6: Product, and so it's just the trailer for it.
Speaker 4: Right now, it's just a trailer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: I don't know how it works on Apple podcasts, but
Speaker 4: it's just you know, listen, I'll take it. It's the
Speaker 4: number one and I'll take it.
Speaker 5: Hey, they're just recording who's listening to what? And so
Speaker 5: they're they're on your feed listening to it. It's great,
Speaker 5: it's great news.
Speaker 4: I'm delighted.
Speaker 2: Is that anything else you want to plug before we go?
Speaker 4: Wow, let's see what do I want to I did
Speaker 4: just get to to take it back to the nineties
Speaker 4: yet again. I did. I got to talk to Tom
Speaker 4: DeLong for Esquire a couple of weeks ago. That is
Speaker 4: up on the site now. I did not make the
Speaker 4: drive down to San Diego to talk to him, and
Speaker 4: I'm delighted that I didn't, because a conversation with him
Speaker 4: is so utterly head spinning that I am not kidding
Speaker 4: when I tell you that I ended the Zoom meeting
Speaker 4: and I put my head down on my desk and
Speaker 4: I took a little nap. It is he is so
Speaker 4: like he's lovely and and a lot of his like
Speaker 4: UFO research has been used like literally by the Pentagon
Speaker 4: and ship like his his he has been like vindicated
Speaker 4: and validated as like a source on this side.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about this guy's.
Speaker 4: Okay, so he was he was. He was the guitar
Speaker 4: player in Blink one eighty two and then he like
Speaker 4: left the band to to chase aliens, to like to
Speaker 4: you know, do UFO research and stuff. And it was
Speaker 4: like ridiculous back then, but now again, like a lot
Speaker 4: of his research has like some of the ship is really.
Speaker 2: Does he think the ar legit? Okay, he might honestly sure.
Speaker 4: But no I don't. I don't think he don't think
Speaker 4: he does. Like I should send you the transcript. It
Speaker 4: is truly like, wow, he said bigfoot, I think before
Speaker 4: he said hello, Oh it's wild as hell. So so yeah,
Speaker 4: so that is that is up and out in the world.
Speaker 2: That's so crazing I am.
Speaker 4: I am, of course, uh in a legendary blood feud
Speaker 4: with with Mike Doughty.
Speaker 2: Yeah that up.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean maybe we will, maybe we won't, but you'll.
Speaker 6: Certainly find out if it's hard to when someone pulls
Speaker 6: a knife on you like he did exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: You can't really do that, Mike dough.
Speaker 6: All you did is overturn that table. What a weird wedding.
Speaker 6: Huh yeah, well the royal family well remembered. I'll tell
Speaker 6: you that much. I'm just to see what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: I'm feeding, you're doing, You're yes, and you're yes ending
Speaker 4: and I appreciate it and I admire it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still doing Homophelia with my friend Matt mconukeay
Speaker 4: talking to awesome queer people, awesome about their awesome queer lives. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, just keep it busy, guys, just.
Speaker 5: Broadcasting your ass off. Well, Dave, thank you for taking
Speaker 5: the time to be here with us. Oh my god,
Speaker 5: it is delight.
Speaker 2: It went by so fast, you really did?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, really quick. Guys like Karen, why are
Speaker 6: you stopping us at one half hour?
Speaker 2: Oh? Never mind?
Speaker 4: Oh how long have we been talking?
Speaker 2: Just one full hour?
Speaker 4: No? Great?
Speaker 2: You know standard.
Speaker 6: Well that concludes this episode you've been listening to.
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Speaker 1: We want to welcome you back home.
Speaker 2: Tell us all about it. We scared her?
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