Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to season seven episode four, Friends at Home.
Speaker 3: I am just beside myself. Before we even get into
Speaker 3: the synopsis, we have to talk about the fact that
Speaker 3: we're joined by a special guest who's filling in for
Speaker 3: our cost today, none other than Daphne's Uniga is back
Speaker 3: on Drama Queen's Friends.
Speaker 1: So excited say it is?
Speaker 3: These episodes have been so delicious for Victoria. I am like,
Speaker 3: I'm unwell.
Speaker 1: I have so many questions, Oh my god, And an
Speaker 1: episode that we're doing is so perfect for yeah, and
Speaker 1: especially brook and Play.
Speaker 3: It's so good. All right? Who wants to tell the
Speaker 3: fans at home what we're watching this week?
Speaker 4: I can give the synopsis. Rob Nathan scandal becomes public,
Speaker 4: Brooks Fashion Show brings an unexpected responsibility for Millicent and Haley,
Speaker 4: and Hailey convinces Quinn to talk to her estranged husband,
Speaker 4: David Commas. They're so confusing. Meanwhile, Mouth makes a decision
Speaker 4: that could threaten his career. Directed by Greg Prange and
Speaker 4: written by the one and only.
Speaker 3: John Norris, and the episode title is Believe me I'm Lying,
Speaker 3: which tracks for some people's behavior. Wouldn't you say I would?
Speaker 4: Before we get into the episode, can I ask a
Speaker 4: personal question I have, but I imagine many of the
Speaker 4: fans have as well. So is life better as a redhead?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: You recently made the change. I've been dying to know.
Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny. It just feels sort of
Speaker 3: fun Like obviously we all had this weird time during COVID,
Speaker 3: but this year, coming out of our strikes, you know,
Speaker 3: in our industry, when all of our unions went on strike.
Speaker 3: This is actually the first year that I haven't signed
Speaker 3: on to another show like I've I've been developing things
Speaker 3: and doing things, and so for the first time I
Speaker 3: have the ability to go and just make a couple
Speaker 3: of movies in a row. And for this next movie
Speaker 3: I'm going to do, I wanted to dye my hair
Speaker 3: and I'm actually really into it. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: if it's the character, but maybe this is also me?
Speaker 3: Am I am? I she?
Speaker 4: So what I'm hearing is if I if I dye
Speaker 4: my hair red, I will not only be having more fun,
Speaker 4: but I will book multiple projects back to back to back.
Speaker 3: Listen. I think it's worth a shot.
Speaker 4: Couldn't her self tape thing isn't working, Let's try going
Speaker 4: red eat.
Speaker 3: Self tapes are awful.
Speaker 1: But by the way, rob your self tapes that you
Speaker 1: post on Instagram are hilarious than you like fighting with you.
Speaker 1: Guys are fighting with each other right, and it just
Speaker 1: reminds me at least like I don't have an actor husband.
Speaker 1: It's behind when I used to do self tapes, I
Speaker 1: really much have just given up because they're just horrific
Speaker 1: and they never lead to anything. So I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. I choose I choose out
Speaker 1: Door number two. But before I did, David would be like,
Speaker 1: are you crying? It doesn't say you should cry. I'm like,
Speaker 1: just read the words that I highlighted for you. Mister
Speaker 1: non Actor's like, I think you're a little worked up,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, you know, it's just stressful.
Speaker 3: You're like when the camera is rolling, it's not a
Speaker 3: time for feedback.
Speaker 4: I think, no, yeah, not looking for notes in real time.
Speaker 1: No, and then also like reading it and then looking
Speaker 1: at me like how am I going to read my line?
Speaker 1: You know, like I just want to. I just want
Speaker 1: like a fellow actor to be there with me and
Speaker 1: not my husband because it's I'm just like forget it,
Speaker 1: forget it, never mind, all right, fine, Okay, geez, you're
Speaker 1: a little touchy. Wow, this is really helping me.
Speaker 3: You know, like this is not good for our relationship.
Speaker 3: I will see myself out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm anyway. I feel like there's a lightness
Speaker 1: about you and a loveliness and that I've seen sof
Speaker 1: so whatever it is, it's oh it's it looks good
Speaker 1: on you.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah. I think when you like stop swimming
Speaker 3: upstream or pushing the rock up the mountain like that
Speaker 3: sort of Sissyphian metaphor, right, like, maybe just let it
Speaker 3: go and follow it. What a wild concept, too new.
Speaker 1: I think we're all sort of like trained and conditioned
Speaker 1: to look for the struggle and to cling to something
Speaker 1: even if it's struggling. We were clinging. We feel like
Speaker 1: and when you can kind of like let go of
Speaker 1: a struggle even though it's familiar. And that's what I've
Speaker 1: noticed lately, and I think you can constantly keep doing
Speaker 1: that and see what's there. It's so much better for
Speaker 1: your nervous system and your well being. But it's a
Speaker 1: little uh wait, this is happy. What am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do with this?
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Lighter? What do I do with this?
Speaker 3: It is why I do it.
Speaker 4: That's what you do with it and going with the flow.
Speaker 4: You have now found yourself co hosting a new podcast.
Speaker 4: How has that been for you?
Speaker 1: Well, that's thank you for bringing that up and asking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that actually is a good example, coincidentally of what I
Speaker 1: was talking about. Still the Place is a podcast, rewatch.
Speaker 1: We copied you, guys on our show that we did
Speaker 1: in the nineties, Melrose Place. So two of the other
Speaker 1: actresses who were leads on the show, Courtney thorn Smith
Speaker 1: who played Alison, and Laura Layton, who played Crazy Sydney
Speaker 1: and I started co hosting this podcast and that's so cool.
Speaker 1: Laura and I have been developing this other Melrose project
Speaker 1: for years. Like you're saying, pulling, you know, you want
Speaker 1: to know what that's like. Pushing a boulder up a
Speaker 1: very steep mountain, get in development, do something in this
Speaker 1: business and trying to make something happen from idea. And
Speaker 1: that's what it's like. And there's always you know, speed
Speaker 1: bumps and things happening and you just have to But
Speaker 1: this so Courtney and Laura and I are, we're in touch.
Speaker 1: We're still a friend. And she said, god, she texted
Speaker 1: us one morning, guys, I woke up and my girlfriend
Speaker 1: called me and said, I had a dream that you're
Speaker 1: doing in Malo's podcast. And Courtney texts us and says,
Speaker 1: why aren't we doing a Malo's podcast. Let's do it
Speaker 1: would be so fun and boom, I got in touch
Speaker 1: with iHeart Da da da meeting done, Easy, peasy flow.
Speaker 1: And our intention is to from the beginning, is to
Speaker 1: have fun, to sit around and watch a show that
Speaker 1: we did. You guys think you did a long time ago,
Speaker 1: and you're wondering, you feel remember anything. I'm sure ours
Speaker 1: was thirty years ago, and for sure we don't remember stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, but but watching it. We've done about four
Speaker 1: have aired so far, and from the pilot and watching
Speaker 1: it triggers memories and it's the nineties, so it's a
Speaker 1: freaking trip on a whole other level. And we look
Speaker 1: so young because we are. So it's a real fun
Speaker 1: thing to do, and we get to get together every
Speaker 1: week and just you know, that's the That's what I
Speaker 1: mean about just going dropping the stress about it and
Speaker 1: just having fun with it. So we're really it's a blast.
Speaker 3: It's so cool, is it? Because I don't really know
Speaker 3: about you know, your history on that show. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you had like a scary kingpin in the
Speaker 3: way that we did it. Is it just purely fun
Speaker 3: and wild and hilarious or do you find yourself having
Speaker 3: to navigate through periods of you know, triye, periods of
Speaker 3: strife or trauma or other things that are sort of
Speaker 3: wild to do as well?
Speaker 1: Well, good question. We did not have a scary kingpin
Speaker 1: who you know.
Speaker 3: Love that for you? Thank god?
Speaker 1: I want to be like thought he was our kingpin?
Speaker 1: Who was Aaron Spelling. Okay, so this man.
Speaker 3: Had an actual kingpin?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this man he was lovely. I mean, as dramatic
Speaker 1: as it got was I had to shoot reshoot basically
Speaker 1: my introest scene because I was I was playing a
Speaker 1: girl from New York and I thought I'd choose choose
Speaker 1: some gum and put a hat on. Well, little did
Speaker 1: I know, gum and hats are are no nos with
Speaker 1: Aaron spelling Land, and so I had to be shoot.
Speaker 1: I thought I'd be fired. No, We've just reshot it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, lose the hat, never chew gum, and
Speaker 1: let's move on.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's wow.
Speaker 1: That was how it started. I remember for me, I
Speaker 1: came on halfway through the first season. But h no.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting. So because as I went back
Speaker 1: and watched the whole series in the last few years,
Speaker 1: because of what we're working on, and the trauma that
Speaker 1: comes up is on is the writing. And it's not
Speaker 1: their fault. It's society's default of going to threatening women
Speaker 1: and hurting women. And that's been the kind of default drama.
Speaker 1: If you need drama in a storyline, get let's bring
Speaker 1: it up, threatening guest star and hurt the girl and
Speaker 1: then she'll win and she'll get her come up. And
Speaker 1: so it's basically we saw over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: and I was shocked, and I remember shooting storylines like
Speaker 1: that very intense because was Melroy's place. We're basically a
Speaker 1: show that went over the top and just pushed all
Speaker 1: kinds of boundaries. And you know, drama had to one
Speaker 1: up itself every week, so there was a lot of that.
Speaker 1: But that's where that was kind of a shocking reality.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't behind the scenes hard. It was behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. We all got along really well. I mean maybe, like,
Speaker 1: how come she gets that dress? I want to dress?
Speaker 1: I shortened my dress to you know, to that's it, Like,
Speaker 1: that's about it.
Speaker 4: James and I had that all the time on One
Speaker 4: Tree Hill, right, I can relate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why does he get to wear the seventies basketball
Speaker 3: shorts and I don't?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And who and who? Who? Who won those? Did
Speaker 1: you ever get your way Rob Lafferty?
Speaker 4: No, he's a total devo. Are you kidding me? Because
Speaker 4: as soon as we got into it, he starts to
Speaker 4: cry and then everyone says, don't make James cry again.
Speaker 4: I'll be in his trailer for an hour and that's
Speaker 4: the end of it. I never got my way, right,
Speaker 4: classic Lafferty tools straight to the crocodile tears.
Speaker 1: But you know what, you take it for the people.
Speaker 4: I'm a team player, that's right, Yeah, team play well?
Speaker 4: Let's I'm so glad that you're here today, Daphne, because
Speaker 4: watching this episode so a little backstory. First of all,
Speaker 4: I dressed up on account of you being here. My
Speaker 4: hair is typically not done. I'm not wearing a fancy coat,
Speaker 4: but I had to come correct because you were going to.
Speaker 1: Be here and you rented a hotel room.
Speaker 4: I rented a hotel room at the Four Seasons by
Speaker 4: Holiday Inn. Rob.
Speaker 3: Have you clarified for the nice people at the hotel
Speaker 3: in town that sometimes you have to leave your home
Speaker 3: because you need a quiet place to work, not that
Speaker 3: you're having like an afternoon delight affair online.
Speaker 4: Yes. So, first of all, I almost wore a hat
Speaker 4: today and then I realized me checking on the Heels. Listener,
Speaker 4: please listen to last week's episode to understand we're.
Speaker 3: Talking about just in the backstory.
Speaker 4: I checked in last week. And it's a weird thing,
Speaker 4: right because I'm checking in for a reservation that was
Speaker 4: last night, just to be in the hotel room for
Speaker 4: a couple hours, and I made the mistake. Yes, last week,
Speaker 4: I showed up with a backpack, in a really good
Speaker 4: mood and in gym clothes, in a wedding ring and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, it's okay. I said, you're in
Speaker 4: a reservations for last night. I said, not a problem,
Speaker 4: only going to be here a couple hours. And then
Speaker 4: I wasn't until I got to my room that I realized, Oh,
Speaker 4: they one hundred percent think I'm here to have an affair.
Speaker 4: So today I gu said I almost wore a hat,
Speaker 4: and I realized, no, that leans into that, and then
Speaker 4: I awkwardly just blurted out when he said, you know
Speaker 4: your reservation was flasting. I said, yeah, yeah, I'm only
Speaker 4: going to be here for a couple hours. And then
Speaker 4: I realized, oh, no, I'm doing it again, and he went,
Speaker 4: there's are you okay with a room with two beds?
Speaker 4: And I just went, I'm not going to be using
Speaker 4: the beds, and he just kind of looked around like
Speaker 4: oh okay, and I was like yeah, just but then
Speaker 4: I didn't say what I was here for. So I
Speaker 4: think everyone's probably just going, what what weird stuff? What's
Speaker 4: in that backpack? And what does that creep up to?
Speaker 3: If you don't get some sort of like spawn con
Speaker 3: travel Instagram campaign with the Hilton after this, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be furious.
Speaker 4: Likewise, Likewise, thank you best advert whether you're trying to
Speaker 4: have an affair or record a hit podcast. Holiday In's
Speaker 4: got you covered, feel free to use it, guys. But Daphne,
Speaker 4: I was so excited that you were here because I'm
Speaker 4: kind of rewatching the series as a first time viewer,
Speaker 4: because I after the show ended, I never rewatched it.
Speaker 4: I kind of left it on the pass, and truthfully,
Speaker 4: I've forgotten the majority of it. So I'm experiencing a
Speaker 4: lot of things for the first time, and you in
Speaker 4: this episode. This was sort of my experience with Victoria
Speaker 4: was so fun and juicy, and I in my notes
Speaker 4: before you're even on camera, you're well, well at the
Speaker 4: fashion show, I already started to smile and it just
Speaker 4: it didn't stop. Every scene you're in is so fun
Speaker 4: and good, and it's like Pavlovian. Every time I see
Speaker 4: you on screen, I lean in, like, all right.
Speaker 3: She's the definition of a scenes dealer, truly, the best way.
Speaker 3: You're so fun.
Speaker 4: Yes, but it's the lines.
Speaker 1: It's the lines you guys that well well, I mean
Speaker 1: it's off camera, is that what you mean? Well?
Speaker 4: Your line line was yeah, yeah, your will well was
Speaker 4: off and then you walked up and then you just
Speaker 4: nonchalantly said that's the winner. You know it was. Hey, listen,
Speaker 4: the writing is great, but it's not all the writing.
Speaker 4: It is, it's much part you.
Speaker 1: I feel like in this episode, I mean she always did,
Speaker 1: but this one. And thanks for using the word fun, Rob,
Speaker 1: because Victoria before this was just evil, like it was
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna like be your buzzkill and then like
Speaker 1: destroy you three times over and then leave the scene.
Speaker 1: But now it's kind of like she just tosses these
Speaker 1: little like you know, I am better than you and whatever.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like she has to say something insulting,
Speaker 1: but she's really enjoying herself with these people fly and
Speaker 1: her daughter. She's proud and all that. But I feel
Speaker 1: like she's walking around with a little needle and just
Speaker 1: popping everyone's balloon. Like if she sees people over the
Speaker 1: corner having a good time our conversations, she just needs
Speaker 1: to walk up like yes, you know, like her little insults.
Speaker 1: And I had so much fun doing that.
Speaker 3: I loved though that because Clay is a new person,
Speaker 3: Like I wouldn't think Victoria and Clay have had a
Speaker 3: lot of overlap, but I actually loved that they volunteered
Speaker 3: Stephen as tribute and they put Chase in the normal
Speaker 3: patent because as soon as you saw him you just
Speaker 3: were like what who? And he was like, yeah, this
Speaker 3: happens every time. And the way you delivered, well until
Speaker 3: next time.
Speaker 1: It's just so.
Speaker 3: Good and like seeing her kind of poking fun, especially
Speaker 3: at all the boys, I don't know, it shows me
Speaker 3: how sort of jovial it is. Like instead of her
Speaker 3: underlying emotion being anger or frustration that she has to
Speaker 3: be in North Carolina, now she's like, well, if we're
Speaker 3: going to have a time, let's have a time. And
Speaker 3: it's so fun to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I love that moment with Steven
Speaker 1: and just she always has this look and this dot
Speaker 1: dot dot like why are you still standing in front
Speaker 1: of me? Well, next time, I still don't know your name.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know your name, and I don't care,
Speaker 1: but I don't care.
Speaker 4: So you know how they in job interviews sometime it's
Speaker 4: a tactic that the person doing the interviewing will Often
Speaker 4: they'll let the interviewee respond, like to ask a question,
Speaker 4: and the person will respond, and then the person running
Speaker 4: the interview will just stay silent. And what they do
Speaker 4: is they're wanting to see how the person interviewing will
Speaker 4: respond to silence. Do they awkwardly fill it in and
Speaker 4: start over sharing. It's kind of like Victoria does that,
Speaker 4: or she's just like, do you want to put your
Speaker 4: foot in your mouth anymore? Are we done?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yes, She's interviewing constantly, like she's the control seat.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I love when you think she might lose it, like
Speaker 3: Alex Duprey is the only person who might be able
Speaker 3: to insult Victoria and her saying who's the old lady?
Speaker 3: Like because she knows you're driving Millie crazy and then
Speaker 3: you were one liner on the walkout is I'll let
Speaker 3: you get back to not making movies. I gasped, like
Speaker 3: audibly gasped. It was so funny, and I was like, God,
Speaker 3: she always wins. She's so fun and.
Speaker 1: She and she I love how these like she doesn't
Speaker 1: have to think about it, you know how like real
Speaker 1: people have to think of like the one upper and
Speaker 1: I have to like, like you're talking and if I
Speaker 1: want to insult, you have to like come up with
Speaker 1: something that's never going to be good. And she's just like,
Speaker 1: I'll let you get back to not making movies. Boom,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know your name. Well, well here
Speaker 1: we go next time. It's not just it's it's it's
Speaker 1: just you could tell she was really talented at something
Speaker 1: in her days. She's you know, and then how she
Speaker 1: uses that ability at just insulting these kids.
Speaker 4: And the way. It's a little different with Julian, where
Speaker 4: I felt like it was more playful and there's a
Speaker 4: slight warming up happening. It was a bit more layered,
Speaker 4: and I loved it. Like I said, it was very playful.
Speaker 4: I loved the banter. But then your riff on his
Speaker 4: dad and using the word lover, Yeah, it was so funny. Yes,
Speaker 4: it was. How is your father Paul? Has he taken
Speaker 4: a lover recently? And then he's gobsmacked and says, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: what just happened? And you say, oh, sorry, I thought
Speaker 4: we were bonding. It's yes, which was so funny and
Speaker 4: then also so smart on the writing part. Shout out
Speaker 4: to John Norris that at the end of the episode,
Speaker 4: when Julian at the end of the fashion show says
Speaker 4: to Brook, I'm thinking about setting my dad up with
Speaker 4: your mom, and then you say, so sorry, what just happens?
Speaker 1: Happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the nice little role reversal.
Speaker 1: Didn't you say because she says she wants a didn't
Speaker 1: he use lover again?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And just what's this happened?
Speaker 3: It's sot right, Rob.
Speaker 1: That was great writing. I thought the call back to
Speaker 1: it and the word lover is still has it ever been?
Speaker 1: Maybe the seventies? It was like, cool, but it's still
Speaker 1: to me anyway, Like who uses that word?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: My dad said it to me once about like his
Speaker 3: hopes for the level of partner I would have, and
Speaker 3: he like started listing off all the things and was like,
Speaker 3: and they should be your best friend and like a
Speaker 3: caring lover. And I was like, Dad, stop stop, stop,
Speaker 3: stop stopping, and he was like, we're adults. And I
Speaker 3: was like, maybe you're an adult, like pleasant Canadian man,
Speaker 3: but I you're still no matter how old I am,
Speaker 3: will always be your child. And I literally cannot have
Speaker 3: this conversation with you. By the way, I probably should have.
Speaker 3: You would have saved me years of years of heartache
Speaker 3: if I'd actually let my dad make his point. But
Speaker 3: here we are, we've arrived.
Speaker 1: But you know, we will always teach our parent parents
Speaker 1: had a parent. By the way, I don't I think
Speaker 1: that's just a thing, don't you, Like, I don't know, Rob,
Speaker 1: did you ever have do you have to do that
Speaker 1: with your parents? Like remind Like I'll just have to say, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: a Starbucks card is fine for a Christmas gift, but
Speaker 1: you may want to give the new baby, you know,
Speaker 1: like or my dad That's what he does constantly. Just
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's part of our job is
Speaker 1: to remind them how to parent.
Speaker 3: I know that to you, am I, But I think
Speaker 3: there's something so interesting right in that the way Julian
Speaker 3: stood up to Victoria on Brook's behalf then flipped, you know,
Speaker 3: two episodes ago or whatever it was with Brooke being
Speaker 3: able to stand up for Julian to Paul. And now
Speaker 3: there's this thing this like banned he about Victoria and
Speaker 3: Paul and something about like the right person coming into
Speaker 3: Brooks life has changed her relationship with her mom, and
Speaker 3: now it's changing Julian's relationship with his dad. And I
Speaker 3: have literally experienced the same thing in the last year,
Speaker 3: and I think it is really wild again when it's
Speaker 3: not only the person who might, because of a job
Speaker 3: or a relationship, be pushing the rock up the Hill.
Speaker 3: But like you know when your kid is in the
Speaker 3: wrong relationship, you know, when someone comes into their life
Speaker 3: and changes things for the better, like your relationship with
Speaker 3: them gets better every It's crazy to see the reverberations
Speaker 3: within a family of healthy dynamics versus unhealthy ones. And
Speaker 3: it was such a trip to watch it in this
Speaker 3: episode because I've been talking about this with my own
Speaker 3: mom so much recently, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I think part of this cool thing that's happening in
Speaker 3: our show is that the Brook and Julian, the Brook
Speaker 3: and Julian of it all is changing, even the Brook
Speaker 3: and Victoria of it all, and it's so sweet and
Speaker 3: the fact that it's happening for us as an audience
Speaker 3: with so much razor, sharp humor, like full Chef's kiss
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So you're so what you shot all these
Speaker 1: years ago and we're just rewatching now is mirroring your life.
Speaker 1: Isn't it weird? How art does that?
Speaker 3: It is so wild.
Speaker 1: That's wild.
Speaker 3: It's really wild. It's cool.
Speaker 1: So you're watching it and probably experiencing, and you're experiencing
Speaker 1: the show differently as audioly because you're going, oh, I
Speaker 1: feel that I've been through.
Speaker 3: That totally, and I was asking Rob when we started
Speaker 3: the season, you know what the what the sort of
Speaker 3: like stuff is that he has to shake out because
Speaker 3: we all have some and I've done a lot of
Speaker 3: shaking out and watching the prior six, so it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's crazy for all of us to
Speaker 3: be having these sort of mind blowing moments or reremembering things.
Speaker 3: We're realizing that something we didn't even know to be
Speaker 3: relevant then is so relevant now. Was it weird for
Speaker 3: you because you're so in the rewatch of Melrose with
Speaker 3: your coworkers to do still the place. Is it weird
Speaker 3: to be like in your Melrose bubble and then come
Speaker 3: back into the one Tree Hoe bubble? Or does it
Speaker 3: feel easy?
Speaker 1: It feels Melrose is so long ago and I was
Speaker 1: so young that it feels it's because it feels a
Speaker 1: little like I'm watching it pulled back, that my lens
Speaker 1: is pulled back, and I'm seeing it as scripts kind
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about written by writers who had
Speaker 1: a whole concept where I see the different storylines parallel
Speaker 1: each other, something about you know, last one we watched
Speaker 1: was about love, and there was like puppy love, and
Speaker 1: there's a marriage going on, and there's another people falling
Speaker 1: in love. And so I'm seeing it sort of from
Speaker 1: a writer's like an overall view.
Speaker 3: Of it, like thirty thousand feet Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: So that's really cool for me because when I was there,
Speaker 1: you're just in your little your trench, working out your
Speaker 1: storyline like Ensemble does, like Clay, like Rob did with
Speaker 1: his we all did with our storylines. You don't really
Speaker 1: overlap with everybody else. So it's you're in your little
Speaker 1: highway there, you're lane. And so it's really cool to
Speaker 1: see it for entertainment value, what the writers intended and
Speaker 1: then what the audience obviously got from them. So and
Speaker 1: it's different because this is more is closer to who
Speaker 1: I am now in age, you know, so, but this
Speaker 1: is far enough away where I really enjoyed last watching
Speaker 1: seven oh four this episode, like you were describing Rob
Speaker 1: and Sophia, I just had a blast. I mean I
Speaker 1: also was touched. I mean, this was a big episode
Speaker 1: for the show. This was that fashion show. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole zero is not a size reveal that that was
Speaker 1: a huge thing for fans and for you know, messaging
Speaker 1: for us and our show that zero. You know, this
Speaker 1: is need for women to be so freaking tiny that
Speaker 1: there was zero for a while. I don't know, was
Speaker 1: that just fast fashion. You'd go into these stores and
Speaker 1: there was a zero. What's a zero?
Speaker 3: That's part of it, right? And there were people who
Speaker 3: got and listen, I get it. Everybody has a right
Speaker 3: to be offended by whatever they're offended by. But there
Speaker 3: were people, so many people I think were touched by
Speaker 3: the message. And then there were people who were very
Speaker 3: pissed about it. Some people were like, you don't know
Speaker 3: what it's like to be chronically underweight or whatever, and
Speaker 3: I was like, hold the phone. The importance of what
Speaker 3: we're talking about is actually the fact that a size
Speaker 3: zero did not exist until the late nineteen sixties, and
Speaker 3: when we were on the precipice of women's rights really
Speaker 3: shifting and civil rights really shifting, and we were having
Speaker 3: conversations about how more than just men, we love rob
Speaker 3: ally first, but more people than just men should have
Speaker 3: more rights in our country. I don't think it's an
Speaker 3: accident that suddenly sizes went from being numbers to the
Speaker 3: idea of zero. Zero represents nothing, and then it became
Speaker 3: this thing to strive for. And then when we were
Speaker 3: in high school, suddenly the double zero got introduced, and
Speaker 3: it was like, what are what are we doing when
Speaker 3: we think about the power of language and the power
Speaker 3: of words, like there is no size zero for men,
Speaker 3: there's only size zero for women, and it hasn't always
Speaker 3: been that way, And so for me it felt really
Speaker 3: important to say, whatever you are, be that. But what
Speaker 3: I don't want is for society to tell you that
Speaker 3: you are your most valuable when you are your most invisible.
Speaker 3: It's like all these years later, you know. One of
Speaker 3: the best selling books of the last decade is Glennon
Speaker 3: Doyle's Untamed, and she talks about how she had to
Speaker 3: come to this realization of why do we always describe
Speaker 3: mothers as being so selfless, saying they don't have a
Speaker 3: self Like we applaud mothers who martyr themselves, but like,
Speaker 3: what is that then model for your daughters? You would
Speaker 3: never want your daughter to do that? Right, And that's
Speaker 3: been one of the big conversations with me and my
Speaker 3: mom in the last few years as well. And so
Speaker 3: like this theme, whether it's about zero, or whether it's
Speaker 3: about selfless, or whether it's about these things like these
Speaker 3: things that we only put on women. It felt so
Speaker 3: important for me. And by the way, like look at
Speaker 3: Lisa Goldstein, She's the most beautiful girl, Like she has
Speaker 3: a stunning body. Like, but this idea that even someone
Speaker 3: like her, or women like any of us, have been
Speaker 3: so scared about our bodies, shamed about our bodies, felt
Speaker 3: like they weren't the right bodies, like just enough of it,
Speaker 3: enough of it, like let's really be all about each other.
Speaker 3: And so I loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved it too, so and everything you're saying is
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I I I, Uh, when I saw the
Speaker 1: double zeros, I was like, they don't even know math,
Speaker 1: like zero.
Speaker 4: Zero, Like it's like if you like diet coke, you're
Speaker 4: gonna love diet diet coke. Yeah, Like, guys, it's already
Speaker 4: at zero.
Speaker 3: Well, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: And and then you start thinking, like, you know, because
Speaker 1: we all when I was younger, I had those that
Speaker 1: time of trying to be skinnier, you know, and I
Speaker 1: really it's a it's refreshing now to see uh, women
Speaker 1: of all sizes I see in advertisements and out there,
Speaker 1: and it's like and I'm in life, I see you know,
Speaker 1: young girls like this, this is who I am, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that was a possibility all along. It
Speaker 1: took us a while as people, as a society, but
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that was a possibility. Not in
Speaker 1: my time, not in the eighties or whatever, but in
Speaker 1: seventies and when I was growing up. But more, you know,
Speaker 1: it's more when you're in your teens and twenties is
Speaker 1: when you really take that off. But I just I uh,
Speaker 1: what that brought to the episode is that the humor
Speaker 1: was there. There was a lightness and a love and
Speaker 1: all the hate that you know, there was this negativity,
Speaker 1: but it was in a light way. And then there
Speaker 1: was this, you know, a real important, profound story. But
Speaker 1: even even and I like, I teared up when she
Speaker 1: pulls the thing open at the end, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I felt like, Victoria, why am I tearing up? I've
Speaker 1: seen this a long time ago. What's the show?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: But I teared up? But not to say that again,
Speaker 1: it's it's very emotionally hah sweet, very important.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we've really stuck the emotional landing on
Speaker 4: that because I think it was such a a great message,
Speaker 4: especially for our show, because knowing our demographic. I think
Speaker 4: it was such. It was terrific messaging, and the way
Speaker 4: we got there was great too, because just prior to
Speaker 4: that moment backstage, who has the idea that it should
Speaker 4: be Millie. It's Alex, which is cool and clever because
Speaker 4: we've already started to see maybe a more human, softer
Speaker 4: side of Alex when she sticks up for Milly. I
Speaker 4: need to circle back then in a second. But the
Speaker 4: funniest part is that it's Alex and she says Millie
Speaker 4: should do it. But she does it while writing with
Speaker 4: makeup on the past out girl's face, and she just
Speaker 4: casually over her shoulder goes, oh, yeah, have Milly do it.
Speaker 4: And I love that she is so comfortable at you know,
Speaker 4: while just writing on this woman. She just roofed by
Speaker 4: the way I expected her to. When I saw the
Speaker 4: look on Alex's face when that model was mean to Milly,
Speaker 4: I thought, Oh, this is going to be awesome. She's
Speaker 4: going to just like give her a verbal lashing. No,
Speaker 4: she went straight to drugging her. Yeah, it was gnarly right.
Speaker 4: But then when she when she's just drawing a mustache
Speaker 4: on her face and casually goes, yeah, Millie should do it.
Speaker 4: It's like, that's perfect. She doesn't even look back over
Speaker 4: her shoulder. She's just having fun, not concerned totally.
Speaker 3: She's really playing the long game.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love the layers of that.
Speaker 1: It's not expected. I wasn't expecting. You're expecting the verbal
Speaker 1: lashing from Alex. You're expecting her to do a you know,
Speaker 1: and then it's like the drawing. What is she drawing
Speaker 1: because she's a mustache, and then it cuts to that,
Speaker 1: and then the whole thing kind of takes place, you know,
Speaker 1: and goes I know what to do, and you know,
Speaker 1: I just uh, I mean in the whole show, can
Speaker 1: we talk about the music and being.
Speaker 3: There at sating Wait before we get there, I just
Speaker 3: have to say I just scrolled down to this part
Speaker 3: and I literally have written in my notes Alex sabotaging
Speaker 3: her with Mets I don't love, but I do love
Speaker 3: that she stood up for Milli in her own way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. It's so there's something about a character
Speaker 3: like Alex, similarly to a character like Victoria, where they
Speaker 3: because they get to be outlandish, you forgive their extremity
Speaker 3: and it's fun to watch, Like if anyone did that
Speaker 3: to someone in real life, they'd go to jail. I
Speaker 3: mean one one would hope. On the show, it is
Speaker 3: quite funny. And then yeah, the backdrop of all of
Speaker 3: this happening in the most epic concert is just yeah,
Speaker 3: it's wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the perfect blend of she's being a good
Speaker 4: friend and she's wildly unhinged, like she she's risking killing
Speaker 4: someone just to stand up for her friend.
Speaker 1: And drawing a mustache on me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, adding insult to injury.
Speaker 3: I almost feel like, did they have her do the
Speaker 3: mustache bit to make it clear that the girl was fine?
Speaker 3: Like is that? Why? Is that why they did it?
Speaker 3: Because if she wasn't fine, obviously someone would have had
Speaker 3: to call the paramedics. But like maybe that was the
Speaker 3: way of being like, oh Alex, hah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It made me feel like Alex knows her drugs,
Speaker 1: Like she knows the dosage, she knows what it is.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was, but it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, she knows and I don't know. She just
Speaker 1: knows a lot about this. I feel like she's done
Speaker 1: it before when needed.
Speaker 4: She knows her goofballs. I know that about her rewinding
Speaker 4: a little bit. I noticed something on this episode, and
Speaker 4: I'm curious. I'm curious how you feel about actually two things.
Speaker 4: First of all, so if do you cringe every time
Speaker 4: on any subsequent project when a character talks to their
Speaker 4: other character, like their boyfriend or girlfriend and uses their
Speaker 4: first and last name, yes, because that, to me is
Speaker 4: it's so distinctly One Tree Hill. The amount of times
Speaker 4: I had to say I love you, Quinn James, and
Speaker 4: then the scene with you and Julian he's like, hey,
Speaker 4: Brooke Davis. Yeah, And it's that thing that ever since
Speaker 4: One Tree Hill. Any show I'm on, if there's a
Speaker 4: moment where they do the first and last I'm like,
Speaker 4: I bristle, you.
Speaker 1: Go, that's a One Tree Hill thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like, it's funny because with for some reason,
Speaker 3: I'm so used to it with Brooke, like it tracks
Speaker 3: for me most with her as a term of endearment.
Speaker 3: What's almost weirder to me is when you're working on
Speaker 3: something and yeah, someone's like supposed to be your spouse,
Speaker 3: but you keep calling them by their first name, like
Speaker 3: in scenes in your house, and it's like people don't
Speaker 3: do that. I don't know the last time I like
Speaker 3: people say honey, baby, but whatever they say, like you don't,
Speaker 3: I'm never going to walk in a room and be
Speaker 3: like Robert, use me, Like what is that? It's so weird.
Speaker 3: So the first, the first and last name together almost
Speaker 3: tracks more for me than just the first name repeated
Speaker 3: ad nauseum in a script. I don't know. Maybe that
Speaker 3: was my coping mechanism.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because it is a very uh
Speaker 1: I can see doing it. I can see it being
Speaker 1: kind of if you do it right at the right time,
Speaker 1: this like in your face sexy thing. Like I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's on purpose, on purpose, you know, Eluckley it was.
Speaker 3: You can see it. But I saw Daphne make that
Speaker 3: face and.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, but to do it all the
Speaker 1: time kind of kills the power of it, right.
Speaker 4: That's it. It's that everyone does it all the time
Speaker 4: because I agree with you it is effective, it's playful
Speaker 4: or if it's like seductive, except when it's and you're
Speaker 4: using it liberally all over the place, it's like, well, okay,
Speaker 4: now it's just a weird tick. The other take I had,
Speaker 4: so again, I watching this sort of as a first
Speaker 4: time viewer because my experience of Clay and Quinn was
Speaker 4: as the actor doing it, so I had sort of
Speaker 4: backstory and lots of other things going on. But now
Speaker 4: I'm watching it for the first time at a distance.
Speaker 4: I walked away from last night's episode or yesterday this
Speaker 4: this episode seven oh four, saying, this show is so
Speaker 4: lucky that we got Chantelle to be Quinn, because in
Speaker 4: the hands of a different actor, I think Quinn could
Speaker 4: have been far less likable and less successful, because I
Speaker 4: look at the lines they have her saying, and it
Speaker 4: kind of culminated in this episode specifically because she's very
Speaker 4: vague in terms of her like why it's not working
Speaker 4: with her husband. She's very cold and detached, and the
Speaker 4: problem is when you pair that with a scene partner
Speaker 4: and Scott wholeroid, who is open and sweet and sincere
Speaker 4: and so vulnerable. It's so vulnerable it really shines a
Speaker 4: light on why aren't you leaning in? Why aren't you
Speaker 4: being warm? And I think the only reason it didn't
Speaker 4: stand out more as a testament to Chantelle and really
Speaker 4: just playing it as earnestly as she could, because I
Speaker 4: mean that scene where they finally sit down together and
Speaker 4: he's just like, oh, I make this work. And she's like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm out, Like it was one of those moments as
Speaker 4: an actor I went, oh, wow, you don't realize it
Speaker 4: watching this, but if someone just came in and played
Speaker 4: these words, there is a huge chance that this character
Speaker 4: just doesn't seem very kind because this is your husband.
Speaker 4: This isn't the guy you went on two dates with,
Speaker 4: you know, And can we do anything? No, you should
Speaker 4: let me go, you know. And it's like ooh, And
Speaker 4: then the cherry on the on the insult Sunday is
Speaker 4: first of all, Clay punching David. I completely forgot about
Speaker 4: and is it David, Yes, David, which was a bummer
Speaker 4: and like, come on, Clay, but whatever. Fine, But then
Speaker 4: after she has her last talk with him, when he's
Speaker 4: really truly heartbroken at the end of the fashion show,
Speaker 4: she gets up and walks over to Clay's car in
Speaker 4: a view directly in front of her husband and gets
Speaker 4: in and drives away with him. Yeah. The optics couldn't
Speaker 4: be worse. Yeah, So the fact that the audience didn't
Speaker 4: turn on Quinn is entirely a testament to Chantell. That's
Speaker 4: my hot take.
Speaker 3: I also think, like we've been so frustrated about how
Speaker 3: vague what she says is for the last few episodes,
Speaker 3: but in a way it almost finally worked for me
Speaker 3: this week because I went, oh, she's clearly been going
Speaker 3: through this sadness. She has suffered the death of this relationship,
Speaker 3: and once she knew it was dead, she left. He
Speaker 3: is only realizing that for her it's dead now. That
Speaker 3: to me is such an indicator of two people who
Speaker 3: do not speak the same language. And I sort of
Speaker 3: loved that she got to say, like, I'm just done,
Speaker 3: Like I've waited for so long, it's not going to
Speaker 3: be different. I want more than this or something else
Speaker 3: than this, like that thing. And I think that's actually
Speaker 3: so universal. Do you have the courage to say this
Speaker 3: just isn't it? And I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 3: want to suffer it longer than I have, Like I
Speaker 3: know there's no coming back from this. And in a
Speaker 3: weird way, it being so vague and seeing how sort
Speaker 3: of spun out he was, I was like, Oh, these
Speaker 3: people have not been speaking the same language for such
Speaker 3: a long time, and when that moment could have been
Speaker 3: so cringe in a way, and it was what you
Speaker 3: said that sold it for me. You said, if you
Speaker 3: do this, I'll never forgive you. And she said, just
Speaker 3: drive and I was like, oh, that's what she wants.
Speaker 3: She wants to put the nail on the coffin. Wow.
Speaker 3: And to be so committed to the idea of an
Speaker 3: unknown future where you could be happier than like staying
Speaker 3: in the thing that's been killing you a little bit
Speaker 3: every day. I was like, girl, go that's a low blow,
Speaker 3: but like, if it's the way, you got to do it.
Speaker 3: On the way out the door, like can do it?
Speaker 3: Go be free. I don't know. I finally feel like
Speaker 3: I got the whole thing that for the last couple
Speaker 3: episodes as a viewer, I've been like, why are they
Speaker 3: telling me more? This episode it clicked for me.
Speaker 1: What is there an actual reason I haven't practiced the
Speaker 1: last few before this? Is there a reason written in
Speaker 1: the script? Did something happened that she's unhappy with this?
Speaker 4: It's more because Haley has asked her about it, you know,
Speaker 4: and she just sort of says, you know, because Haley
Speaker 4: says people have the right to change, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: people have the right to not change as well, you know.
Speaker 4: And at the start of this episode, they're shopping in
Speaker 4: the grocery store, and Haley says, referring to a serial.
Speaker 4: She says to Quinn, Oh, look here, it has everything
Speaker 4: you need. And then Quinn says, just because it has
Speaker 4: everything you need doesn't mean it has everything you want.
Speaker 1: She's talking about her husband and her marriage.
Speaker 4: Yes, so we're not really getting anything specific, just the
Speaker 4: sort of the generality of Okay, it's just it's it
Speaker 4: has shifted, things have changed. It's not working for her anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what what stood out to me kind of And
Speaker 3: we talked about this. If I think maybe two episodes ago,
Speaker 3: I think the writers could have given her a much
Speaker 3: better story. But Quinn tells Haley this story about like
Speaker 3: a night out she had and how David didn't go
Speaker 3: and it was so special and she essentially realized she
Speaker 3: didn't miss him at all. And it really I told
Speaker 3: them then, like it reminded me of Brooks sort of
Speaker 3: having to learn her power, how to learn to take
Speaker 3: her power back. Really when she went through the whole
Speaker 3: thing with Lucas where she was like, well, you didn't
Speaker 3: miss me, so eventually I stopped missing you. I thought
Speaker 3: it was like, while not done in a very good package,
Speaker 3: I did think there was a little easter egg in
Speaker 3: it of like these big sort of tent pole things
Speaker 3: we've dealt with on the show. And so I think
Speaker 3: the way I've been sort of tracking it is that
Speaker 3: she's been trying to explain that they've just grown so
Speaker 3: far apart that like they don't even really at least
Speaker 3: she doesn't miss him or like even remember him sometimes.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I think that I think that
Speaker 3: sort of death that can happen in a relationship that
Speaker 3: doesn't come from a scandal or a love triangle or
Speaker 3: someone driving a limo off a bridge or all the
Speaker 3: other crazy shit we've done. Like, I think part of
Speaker 3: the reason I like it so much, I'm enjoying watching
Speaker 3: it so much now is I'm like, oh, that's just
Speaker 3: so much more real for most of what I've seen,
Speaker 3: Like I don't I don't know a lot of people
Speaker 3: who have a ton of scandal in their life, but
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people who like hit the
Speaker 3: end of the road and then had to start over.
Speaker 1: I think to your point, Rob, it was her vulnerability
Speaker 1: that she was feeling such pain with that, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: and you feel even more pain and confusion, and if
Speaker 1: there was not a thing, if there wasn't an event,
Speaker 1: there wasn't a betrayal, if there wasn't an outright thing,
Speaker 1: and you're just feeling like, oh my god, I'm not
Speaker 1: in love anymore. Oh my god, this is you know.
Speaker 1: But that's why I saw her vulnerability. I didn't know
Speaker 1: their backs well, but I did see that softness that,
Speaker 1: you know, she could have played it harder, and people
Speaker 1: like try to get that point across in tough ways,
Speaker 1: you know they'll be a jerk.
Speaker 4: Exactly. It's one of those ones. The words are already
Speaker 4: harsh enough, and so it's it's it's the smarter choice
Speaker 4: to do what she did, which is too lean into
Speaker 4: the vulnerability and the pain behind the words, where it's
Speaker 4: like I know I'm hurting you, and this sucks and
Speaker 4: it hurts, as opposed to that's what I'm saying. In
Speaker 4: the hands, I think of a of a lesser actor
Speaker 4: that could have easily been just totally real and cold
Speaker 4: and one note, and it would have set the character
Speaker 4: up to your why are we going to root for her?
Speaker 4: You know? Whereas instead we're seeing what's great is we're
Speaker 4: setting this runway up of she has baggage and it's
Speaker 4: coming out of the thick of it. Clay we're about
Speaker 4: to find out has baggage, and so it's nice because
Speaker 4: it's not like, here are two new characters and they're
Speaker 4: about to fall in love and instead it's like, here
Speaker 4: are these two new characters who are a mess right now,
Speaker 4: and they're gonna get messy together, you.
Speaker 3: Know, And it's nice that their relationship starts in that
Speaker 3: almost it's not like sibling energy, but you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like it's playful. It's you know, the Hayley's
Speaker 3: sister and Nathan's agent, and like she teases you about
Speaker 3: women and get you make her drink horrible drink. Like
Speaker 3: there's there's like a juvenile humor to it that I
Speaker 3: think gives us as an audience a little something new.
Speaker 3: It's not like Nathan and Haley Boom, they're in love forever.
Speaker 3: Peyton and lucas big endgame story. Like it's nice to
Speaker 3: have something new and innocent and silly, especially because, as
Speaker 3: you just said, both of these characters have this heavy baggage.
Speaker 3: And even though we don't know about Clay's yet, we
Speaker 3: know there's something brewing in him that keeps him you know,
Speaker 3: holding most people at arm's length. And you're right, I
Speaker 3: think it's such. It was just such a great instinct
Speaker 3: that Chantal had to lean into. How absolutely hard it
Speaker 3: is to hurt someone that you have loved, even if
Speaker 3: you have to do it to save your own life, Like,
Speaker 3: it's hard. It's hard when someone isn't ready and you
Speaker 3: see the writing on the wall, you know the thing
Speaker 3: is dead. You know, oh it has to be buried,
Speaker 3: and the person is not ready to bury it, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's so heavy. And if she had tried to mask
Speaker 3: that sadness, it would have felt cold. And instead it's
Speaker 3: like I may not understand everything going on with this woman,
Speaker 3: by I know how that feels, and it is so relatable.
Speaker 4: This is a reference I'm sure twenty percent at best
Speaker 4: of our audience is going to get. But have you
Speaker 4: ever seen the film Harry and the Hendersons. Yes, John
Speaker 4: Lithgow in The Bigfoot. Everything we're talking favorite movies? Okay, great.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of the ending when John Lyftgo's character realize,
Speaker 4: we love this guy and he's a part of our family,
Speaker 4: but this isn't the life he should have. He needs
Speaker 4: to be out of nature and so he takes him
Speaker 4: out of the forest, and of course the Bigfoot's like,
Speaker 4: I love now, We're good, I love you or my friend,
Speaker 4: and so John left goats to put on his face
Speaker 4: where he's like, don't you see we don't love you.
Speaker 4: I don't get out of here, Get out of here.
Speaker 4: And Bigfoot's hurt and like what the hell just happened?
Speaker 4: And so he sort of saunters off into the forest
Speaker 4: and the lift go turned to camera and he starts
Speaker 4: crying and it's like, oh, that hurt him too, but
Speaker 4: he knew it's what had to be done. What I'm
Speaker 4: saying is Sean Tella is John lyth Go and Scott
Speaker 4: Holroyd is Bigfoot. David's a bigfoot. But one thing I
Speaker 4: like that that they also did with Clay Quinn is
Speaker 4: that she sees him yeah, and when she calls him
Speaker 4: on it, he's honest. So right from the jump there's
Speaker 4: sort of a bit of it's like we're they already
Speaker 4: start cutting to it. She's like, is this who you are?
Speaker 4: A different girl every night? And he's like sometimes, you know.
Speaker 4: And so I like that there's already sort of like
Speaker 4: an access point for them to start to see each
Speaker 4: other and get to know each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the way you have played Clay because
Speaker 3: I can tell there's something going on. But you bring
Speaker 3: such strength to the relationships with the people you love,
Speaker 3: like the way you stand up for Nathan, and even
Speaker 3: watching you play that scene with Jana where you turn
Speaker 3: Alex down, I was like, Oh, I can't wait to
Speaker 3: get into the gears of this. Did you know in
Speaker 3: seven o four that things would start to be revealed
Speaker 3: for you soon? Or were you just week by week
Speaker 3: figuring it out and trying to make interesting choices.
Speaker 4: By seven oh four, I might have started to be
Speaker 4: filled in on that he Obviously not a lot of
Speaker 4: the endgame stuff of Clay No, no, no, that didn't
Speaker 4: come until it actually came, the sharky stuff. But this stuff,
Speaker 4: I think they may have already been in my ear
Speaker 4: a bit because I don't recall when it happens. But
Speaker 4: when we find out what happened to him, I don't
Speaker 4: know if I knew at this point not but obviously
Speaker 4: from the text that I had or from the dialogue
Speaker 4: I had, I knew this guy had some pain and
Speaker 4: was running from something big. But I don't know if
Speaker 4: I knew it it was his h what we're going
Speaker 4: to find out? It was.
Speaker 3: It's nice. I feel like I can I can see
Speaker 3: it brewing.
Speaker 4: I love that Klanquin bonded over brain blasters. Everything Steven
Speaker 4: did I thought was great. His first scene with you,
Speaker 4: Daphne was so damn funny. You just roasted him, and
Speaker 4: the way he just took it was beautiful. And then
Speaker 4: all his stuff at the bar, He's just delightful. He's
Speaker 4: just fun and light Mouth being a real good friend.
Speaker 4: I mean, the only thing I bumped on was after
Speaker 4: he's live on air and he refuses to read the story.
Speaker 4: When he goes to walk away, he walks past his boss,
Speaker 4: and his boss goes, yeah, just keep walking McFadden, you're
Speaker 4: off the air, And I just laughed, going, are they
Speaker 4: in high school? What kind of grown up? It felt
Speaker 4: like a locker room talk, you know, It's like, that's
Speaker 4: not how a boss. I just can't fucking what would
Speaker 4: you expect him to do? But I thought, wow, Mouth
Speaker 4: really is sort of showing his true character by it
Speaker 4: kind of jeopardizing his professional career for his buddy and
Speaker 4: his belief in his buddy's innocence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, and I loved that he said, because there
Speaker 3: is such a difference between tabloids, which will print anything anyway,
Speaker 3: and real news. And I love that he said, no,
Speaker 3: if it's in those magazines, it's not serious. If we
Speaker 3: report on it, it becomes serious, right, And he knows
Speaker 3: the difference, and I think, I don't know. It felt
Speaker 3: really refreshing because we live in this really weird world
Speaker 3: of nobody feels like they know anything anymore, and it's
Speaker 3: nice to be reminded that there are actually guardrails and
Speaker 3: boundaries and trusted news sources versus not. And it was
Speaker 3: such a simple thing to say, but it communicated so much.
Speaker 3: And then when he stood up for Nathan live on
Speaker 3: the air, as you said, it made me think about
Speaker 3: what Nathan was telling Jamie when Jamie's asking, you know, Dad,
Speaker 3: why would someone lie about something like this? And he
Speaker 3: talks about how sometimes people forget the difference between right
Speaker 3: and wrong and they take advantage of good people when
Speaker 3: they do. And we got this button with mouth looking
Speaker 3: at that picture and saying nope, And I was like,
Speaker 3: Marvin McFadden knows what's right, and it just like you know,
Speaker 3: Nathan and Jamie were in the scene, but it buttoned
Speaker 3: that whole thing up for me in a way that
Speaker 3: I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, it's such a good example.
Speaker 4: Maybe want to sob Yeah, and it's great that we
Speaker 4: have characters like Mouth, who in this episode is so
Speaker 4: grounded and small, like he's just he's steady, whereas you know,
Speaker 4: they weren't the fashion show. We have Alex stuff, and
Speaker 4: we have you know, there's all these things out and
Speaker 4: then his storyline is just no, my friend told me
Speaker 4: he didn't. I don't buy this not doing it, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's like there's no hysterics, it's just
Speaker 4: a calm no.
Speaker 1: I mean I think of Lee that way.
Speaker 4: Mm hm, you guys, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Know, Rob, you guys had nights of partying out there
Speaker 1: and he you know, used to do his thing when
Speaker 1: he was younger. But I think of Lee that way,
Speaker 1: and I think of Mouth that way, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure as writers they have to come up with
Speaker 1: someone who's going to be the you know, the right
Speaker 1: and wrong character, So craziness can have something to yeah,
Speaker 1: be in contrast to yeah, relief in this kind and
Speaker 1: these kinds of stories, you know, especially that story where
Speaker 1: we all with the tabloid stuff. It's just so evil
Speaker 1: and viral and just such a violations constantly, and they
Speaker 1: can say whatever they want. When it's in print, people
Speaker 1: believe it. I don't care what it is. It's so
Speaker 1: crazy people believe anything like Bigfoot. You know, you're talking
Speaker 1: about Harry and Henderson's but so he didn't have a choice.
Speaker 1: He knew right and wrong if he said it. If
Speaker 1: you put it on, it's like, people believe it. If
Speaker 1: it comes out of your mouth, out of mouth's mouth
Speaker 1: as a news aker, you believe it. Yeah, And I've
Speaker 1: seen It's funny because recently I've experienced I saw something
Speaker 1: that was released into the press about Melrose's place, and
Speaker 1: it was a leak, and then I saw it go viral,
Speaker 1: and every time it appeared somewhere else, from Deadline to
Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter to Entertainment to USA Today to then the
Speaker 1: Today Show is coming out of people's mouth. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's not true. Like, you know, I saw things when
Speaker 1: I was younger, and you know, whatever, I was in
Speaker 1: the press a little bit more. But this was like
Speaker 1: kind of an eye opener because think about it. People
Speaker 1: just grab something off the internet and then whoever they
Speaker 1: have to change a word, just change a word, and
Speaker 1: you're like, like, you know, in production, in development and
Speaker 1: in production are two completely different things, you know. So
Speaker 1: I just saw that, and this point that you're bringing
Speaker 1: up about this part in this story of this episode
Speaker 1: where he refuses to make news of this tabloid story
Speaker 1: is just I really, you know, obviously so important, but
Speaker 1: I just really related it to it from recently, from
Speaker 1: going from online things where people need news to coming
Speaker 1: out of anchored on the Today Show or Good Morning
Speaker 1: America for two days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh, you have to be careful everything you read and
Speaker 1: everything you hear. You have to just especially these days,
Speaker 1: as you said, so right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so crazy. And I think listen, while
Speaker 3: they've gotten even wilder about what they're willing to print
Speaker 3: evidence be damned, Like things just don't even get fact checked.
Speaker 1: Anymore because they know they can get away well.
Speaker 3: They want it, They want out all the clickbait they
Speaker 3: can get because that's how they're all making money. But
Speaker 3: it's like it's really crazy to me too, to your point,
Speaker 3: how some people have also figured out how to like
Speaker 3: make suggestions without fully saying something, because if they fully
Speaker 3: said something that was a lie, they'd be sued for defamation.
Speaker 3: But if they suggest something and then say, oh, that's
Speaker 3: not really what I meant. I was just talking about
Speaker 3: my experience or whatever. Like people who want to manipulate
Speaker 3: are said to know how to use these very manipulative
Speaker 3: outlets to do so. And I think it was really
Speaker 3: interesting because on the one hand, knowing that I'm watching
Speaker 3: this whole storyline going wow, this like is sort of evergreen,
Speaker 3: and then on the other hand, I feel really icky
Speaker 3: about it for the same reasons that you brought up
Speaker 3: about why it's hard to rewatch Melrose, Because I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: anytime we want a storyline for a woman, she has
Speaker 3: to get heart she has to get her heart broken,
Speaker 3: get cheated on, or get attacked. But to have a
Speaker 3: storyline for a guy, a woman has to lie about
Speaker 3: having had an affair with him. And like, it's like
Speaker 3: that classic evil Harlot, you know, woman up to no
Speaker 3: good thing, which we know actually happens so much more
Speaker 3: rarely than terrible things happen to women. And part of
Speaker 3: me couldn't help but be like, God, this story's very
Speaker 3: evergreen in certain ways because of how people will use
Speaker 3: the media and whatever and then on the flip side,
Speaker 3: I was like, I have this icky, icky feeling because
Speaker 3: are we is this just more of our boss being
Speaker 3: our boss wanting to be like women are just evil
Speaker 3: and they're temptresses and they're you know, all these crazy things.
Speaker 3: Like I found that it was hard for me to
Speaker 3: watch without being suspicious of the motivations in the writer's room,
Speaker 3: and that is that's hard for me. But it's like
Speaker 3: once you know the way people wield their power, you know,
Speaker 3: And so I don't know, it's interesting that you're talking
Speaker 3: about that being part of what you're experiencing rewatching your show,
Speaker 3: because I catch myself sometimes being like is this a
Speaker 3: story because it's a good story or is it a
Speaker 3: storyline because they were taking a potshot at somebody? And
Speaker 3: like I justugh, I don't know. I wish I could
Speaker 3: like scrub my brain and just watch it and not
Speaker 3: be suspicious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, One Tree Hill's tricky too, because we obviously know
Speaker 4: sort of like the backstory. It's it's tricky to watch something.
Speaker 4: Was it was it that? Was it the higher up?
Speaker 4: Or was it the fact that we were a teenage
Speaker 4: soap opera during that time period on a network known
Speaker 4: for beautiful people, you know. So it's like, oh boy,
Speaker 4: which one was it? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing you never.
Speaker 1: Know, you don't. And but to that point, it's also listen,
Speaker 1: change is slow, real change is slow. And most writer rooms,
Speaker 1: writing rooms are mostly men, and you know they've got
Speaker 1: to come up with something here, Well, what's the threat?
Speaker 1: And it's kind of what, like I said, it's already
Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist. It's already sort of just drama, and
Speaker 1: and it's relatable because of the tabloids. So uh, it's
Speaker 1: kind of just I don't know, it's just there. It's
Speaker 1: kind of just safe, easy drama in a way, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. The story, as you've said, that's
Speaker 1: been done over and over.
Speaker 3: Well, and to your point, if it is just about
Speaker 3: needing good drama, an easy story, it also really works
Speaker 3: with our hero couple of seven seasons, like what's going
Speaker 3: to come in and mess up Nathan and Haley? Like
Speaker 3: this is a pretty good in Yeah, and the fact
Speaker 3: that I think there's actually something so cool. I can't
Speaker 3: let us finish without talking about how great Joy is
Speaker 3: in this episode, My God, and the way that she
Speaker 3: plays the anger and frustration about the situation, not the
Speaker 3: anger at Nathan shows what an amazing team they are, Like,
Speaker 3: I think the goal in a relationship is always to
Speaker 3: be like, hey, it's you and me. We're teammates, and
Speaker 3: the problem is on the other side of the net,
Speaker 3: Like it's us against the problem. And that was a
Speaker 3: dynamic that they didn't name, but that I saw represented
Speaker 3: in their relationship and all the scenes in this episode
Speaker 3: so well. And I don't know, I loved that, and
Speaker 3: so part of me is like I don't want to wonder.
Speaker 3: I don't want to have all the like icky inside
Speaker 3: baseball like suspicions that I have, because I also sort
Speaker 3: of love who I get to see these people be,
Speaker 3: including Haley with a mean right hook at the end
Speaker 3: of the episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, she was good in that scene. The look
Speaker 4: in her eyes.
Speaker 1: We got two punches in that one episode.
Speaker 4: That's right. And I'm just gonna say it, I think
Speaker 4: hers was better. I think I was gonna say it Rob,
Speaker 4: but let's say let's name it Daphne. This is a
Speaker 4: brave get brave here on this podcast. She threw the
Speaker 4: better punch.
Speaker 1: She threw a better punch. But you're number two. You
Speaker 1: were second you know.
Speaker 4: Silver still a metal baby to two things. So first
Speaker 4: of all, how about Joy with bangs?
Speaker 3: Bangs looked great nowhere loved it.
Speaker 4: But and Daphanie, you might not know this one because
Speaker 4: you didn't see seven oh three and seven out two.
Speaker 4: But so did Joy's hair get redder in this episode?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: It did? Right?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, it was like, oh, who knew I'd be
Speaker 3: watching Haley as a redhead whilst a redhead myself?
Speaker 1: Was that a fashion show? Because I noticed that totally
Speaker 1: at it was that just because we're doing this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she like changed her hair.
Speaker 4: I think I noticed the color though all episode, but
Speaker 4: it really popped in the lighting of the fashion show.
Speaker 4: But it was funny because I had thought, oh, I
Speaker 4: got to circle back and ask so how she's liking
Speaker 4: red hair? And then I sat down to watch the
Speaker 4: episode and went, is is Joy's hair red?
Speaker 1: Maybe everyone's loving the red hair?
Speaker 3: Listen, it's really a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I recommend for all you're.
Speaker 4: Up next, rob Listen, I'll do it. I had I
Speaker 4: had a moment after I finished my last show where
Speaker 4: I have I've always wanted to dye my hair, and
Speaker 4: I thought I'm going to do it. I'm just going
Speaker 4: to do it. It was like summertime and this she was slow,
Speaker 4: and first off, I had read my hair. I went,
Speaker 4: I went, I wanted to go white, like white white,
Speaker 4: and when you have dark brown hair like mine, that's
Speaker 4: a nightmare. And I went to a guy who wasn't
Speaker 4: good scalp burns. It was terrible. They just they ended
Speaker 4: up comping my entire thing because it was traumatic, but
Speaker 4: it was fun. But here's what I didn't realize how
Speaker 4: much upkeep goes into coloring your hair. Like I'm glad
Speaker 4: I did it once, but especially having dark hair and
Speaker 4: going lighter, you realize the window, how small the window
Speaker 4: is a time or a week, you get a week
Speaker 4: of enjoying it. Ye. So but yeah, Red is next.
Speaker 4: Should we do a listener question?
Speaker 3: I think we should. We've got a question from Rachel.
Speaker 3: There are so many memorable quotes from the show. If
Speaker 3: you could choose one quote that you feel represents your
Speaker 3: personal life philosophy, what would it be? Oh my god,
Speaker 3: that is a big question. I just like, I was like,
Speaker 3: is the question going to be what's your character's best zinger?
Speaker 4: No, damn it, I'm going to buy you a small
Speaker 4: amount of time because I have one locked and loaded
Speaker 4: for this okay, because I initially thought, okay, wait, am
Speaker 4: I going to go deep with it? And then again,
Speaker 4: I remember so little of the show that there's a
Speaker 4: very little liking quote at this point. However, I would
Speaker 4: say the quote for me is I could eat the
Speaker 4: butt off a skunk? Yeah, from alex an episode or
Speaker 4: two ago. Because I tell you how many times a
Speaker 4: day I talk about being hungry wanting to eat. What
Speaker 4: if we're going to a restaurant, I want to look
Speaker 4: at the menu ahead of time. Yep. Food is a
Speaker 4: huge part of my life. So I think that one
Speaker 4: kind of if any moment you said how you doing,
Speaker 4: could you eat the butt off a skunk? I'd go, yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: probably good? Actually fits Wow, I like it daft?
Speaker 3: Do you have anything percolating?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, Victoria has so many good ones.
Speaker 1: I can'ts hit their life mottos though, or philosophies. But uh, well,
Speaker 1: until next time, that's pretty nice, you know, I just
Speaker 1: until next time? There, you know what I have to say. Lately,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of times when I've just wanted
Speaker 1: to go get out of my freaking face. You know,
Speaker 1: not to not to an actual person, but just the
Speaker 1: ishue you and everything you represent and what you're bringing
Speaker 1: into me just so uh and do it with a smile.
Speaker 1: So I think that's useful. I wouldn't say it's a
Speaker 1: life of love, but I think that I think that
Speaker 1: we should all lean into the polite, nice little way
Speaker 1: of saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah enough, oh man. I I don't know. The one
Speaker 3: I think that comes to mind immediately is because it's
Speaker 3: one of the ones I get asked to sign the
Speaker 3: most at our conventions. But Brook has a whole speech
Speaker 3: about how there will be a day when you realize
Speaker 3: you're not just a survivor or a warrior. And for
Speaker 3: some reason, that theme of how people can take their
Speaker 3: power back has really been so present in so many
Speaker 3: conversations in so many places, in spaces I've been in recently,
Speaker 3: and so I guess there's a little bit of that,
Speaker 3: like giving the positivity and the power and credit to
Speaker 3: yourself for the life you've lived so far. Instead of
Speaker 3: saying like, oh, I've been through all of this, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I've nailed it. No matter how hard it was,
Speaker 3: I did it, and I'm here and I love that
Speaker 3: I really like the idea that you don't have to
Speaker 3: be bummed or shamed, you can be proud. I think
Speaker 3: that's sort of great. It feels like it for me
Speaker 3: in this moment.
Speaker 1: I love that it's a good one, that seems good.
Speaker 4: Daphne, thank you for joining us. It was so good
Speaker 4: to see you, friend the best.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: We tell everybody because obviously you're the best at podcasting.
Speaker 3: Where we can find yours, where people can listen, how
Speaker 3: much is available to listen, to give us, give us
Speaker 3: the rundown of all things. Still the Place for our listeners.
Speaker 1: So it's called still the Place because our show back
Speaker 1: in the nineties was Melrose Place, and it comes out
Speaker 1: every Monday. There's a new episode. We have four up already.
Speaker 1: It's produced by iHeart and it's available anywhere though you
Speaker 1: know where they say you can get wherever you can
Speaker 1: get podcasts, and it's Courtney Thorn Smith and Laura and myself.
Speaker 1: We're starting from the very beginning and we will be
Speaker 1: rewatching all of them, and so we hope people can
Speaker 1: watch Meloe's Place. You can do it on Paramount or
Speaker 1: Amazon and come and watch us with all the behind
Speaker 1: the scenes and you know, we talked about all of
Speaker 1: our audition processes and how and then you know what
Speaker 1: it was like coming on the show. And Courtney has
Speaker 1: so many great memories and it's a whole other era
Speaker 1: the nineties. If you want just an escape, you know,
Speaker 1: to just enjoy what we wore alone in the nineties.
Speaker 1: I have the hairspray that that required.
Speaker 3: Also, I have to say, like the excitement percolating in
Speaker 3: my friend group. My girlfriend Sam from college and one
Speaker 3: of my best friends, Jamie from right after college. The
Speaker 3: three of us for the longest time lived in an
Speaker 3: apartment building off of Melrose Place, and we were just
Speaker 3: and this was like before you and I had started
Speaker 3: working together, and we were like, it's Melrose Place, like
Speaker 3: the new class. We kept joking about it, and then
Speaker 3: when you came on One Tree Hill, like my friends
Speaker 3: like died and so I don't know this, this feels
Speaker 3: very very fun for us. None of us lives there anymore,
Speaker 3: but oh my god, it was a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool. We still hear that, like people. I
Speaker 1: really love it because we did wait all these years,
Speaker 1: thirty years and as I said, it just sort of
Speaker 1: happened spontaneously. But it's long enough ago that people can,
Speaker 1: like you smile when you talk about that. It's a memory,
Speaker 1: it's a you know, a nostalgia too because it's an
Speaker 1: era and peoples when they were young in college or
Speaker 1: just after college. So it's really fun. But I love it.
Speaker 1: Come back on and to with you too, and this
Speaker 1: has been great. You guys are thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for joining us. It was a lot
Speaker 4: of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you and friends.
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