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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.

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Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl,

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Speaker 2: all about them.

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Speaker 1: High school queens.

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Speaker 3: We'll take you for a ride, and our comic girl

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Speaker 1: Drama Queens, Girl, Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you

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Speaker 1: could sit with us.

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Speaker 2: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drama, Queens Drama, Queens.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to season seven episode four, Friends at Home.

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Speaker 3: I am just beside myself. Before we even get into

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Speaker 3: the synopsis, we have to talk about the fact that

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Speaker 3: we're joined by a special guest who's filling in for

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Speaker 3: our cost today, none other than Daphne's Uniga is back

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Speaker 3: on Drama Queen's Friends.

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Speaker 1: So excited say it is?

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Speaker 3: These episodes have been so delicious for Victoria. I am like,

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Speaker 3: I'm unwell.

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Speaker 1: I have so many questions, Oh my god, And an

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Speaker 1: episode that we're doing is so perfect for yeah, and

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Speaker 1: especially brook and Play.

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Speaker 3: It's so good. All right? Who wants to tell the

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Speaker 3: fans at home what we're watching this week?

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Speaker 4: I can give the synopsis. Rob Nathan scandal becomes public,

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Speaker 4: Brooks Fashion Show brings an unexpected responsibility for Millicent and Haley,

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Speaker 4: and Hailey convinces Quinn to talk to her estranged husband,

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Speaker 4: David Commas. They're so confusing. Meanwhile, Mouth makes a decision

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Speaker 4: that could threaten his career. Directed by Greg Prange and

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Speaker 4: written by the one and only.

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Speaker 3: John Norris, and the episode title is Believe me I'm Lying,

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Speaker 3: which tracks for some people's behavior. Wouldn't you say I would?

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Speaker 4: Before we get into the episode, can I ask a

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Speaker 4: personal question I have, but I imagine many of the

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Speaker 4: fans have as well. So is life better as a redhead?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: You recently made the change. I've been dying to know.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny. It just feels sort of

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Speaker 3: fun Like obviously we all had this weird time during COVID,

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Speaker 3: but this year, coming out of our strikes, you know,

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Speaker 3: in our industry, when all of our unions went on strike.

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Speaker 3: This is actually the first year that I haven't signed

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Speaker 3: on to another show like I've I've been developing things

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Speaker 3: of movies in a row. And for this next movie

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do, I wanted to dye my hair

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Speaker 3: and I'm actually really into it. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: if it's the character, but maybe this is also me?

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Speaker 3: Am I am? I she?

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Speaker 4: So what I'm hearing is if I if I dye

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Speaker 4: my hair red, I will not only be having more fun,

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Speaker 4: but I will book multiple projects back to back to back.

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Speaker 3: Listen. I think it's worth a shot.

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Speaker 4: Couldn't her self tape thing isn't working, Let's try going

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Speaker 3: Self tapes are awful.

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Speaker 1: But by the way, rob your self tapes that you

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Speaker 1: Guys are fighting with each other right, and it just

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Speaker 4: I think, no, yeah, not looking for notes in real time.

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Speaker 1: No, and then also like reading it and then looking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm anyway. I feel like there's a lightness

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Speaker 4: That's what you do with it and going with the flow.

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Speaker 4: How has that been for you?

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Speaker 1: We copied you, guys on our show that we did

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Speaker 3: It's so cool, is it? Because I don't really know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this man he was lovely. I mean, as dramatic

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Speaker 4: I'm a team player, that's right, Yeah, team play well?

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Speaker 4: Likewise, Likewise, thank you best advert whether you're trying to

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Speaker 3: shaking out and watching the prior six, so it's like,

436
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's crazy for all of us to

437
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 3: be having these sort of mind blowing moments or reremembering things.

438
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 3: We're realizing that something we didn't even know to be

439
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: relevant then is so relevant now. Was it weird for

440
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 3: you because you're so in the rewatch of Melrose with

441
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 3: your coworkers to do still the place. Is it weird

442
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 3: to be like in your Melrose bubble and then come

443
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 3: back into the one Tree Hoe bubble? Or does it

444
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: feel easy?

445
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: It feels Melrose is so long ago and I was

446
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: so young that it feels it's because it feels a

447
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: little like I'm watching it pulled back, that my lens

448
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: is pulled back, and I'm seeing it as scripts kind

449
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about written by writers who had

450
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: a whole concept where I see the different storylines parallel

451
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: each other, something about you know, last one we watched

452
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: was about love, and there was like puppy love, and

453
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: there's a marriage going on, and there's another people falling

454
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: in love. And so I'm seeing it sort of from

455
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: a writer's like an overall view.

456
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: Of it, like thirty thousand feet Yeah, and.

457
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: So that's really cool for me because when I was there,

458
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: you're just in your little your trench, working out your

459
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: storyline like Ensemble does, like Clay, like Rob did with

460
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: his we all did with our storylines. You don't really

461
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: overlap with everybody else. So it's you're in your little

462
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: highway there, you're lane. And so it's really cool to

463
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 1: see it for entertainment value, what the writers intended and

464
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: then what the audience obviously got from them. So and

465
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: it's different because this is more is closer to who

466
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: I am now in age, you know, so, but this

467
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: is far enough away where I really enjoyed last watching

468
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: seven oh four this episode, like you were describing Rob

469
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: and Sophia, I just had a blast. I mean I

470
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: also was touched. I mean, this was a big episode

471
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: for the show. This was that fashion show. Yeah, the

472
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: whole zero is not a size reveal that that was

473
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: a huge thing for fans and for you know, messaging

474
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: for us and our show that zero. You know, this

475
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: is need for women to be so freaking tiny that

476
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: there was zero for a while. I don't know, was

477
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: that just fast fashion. You'd go into these stores and

478
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: there was a zero. What's a zero?

479
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 3: That's part of it, right? And there were people who

480
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: got and listen, I get it. Everybody has a right

481
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: to be offended by whatever they're offended by. But there

482
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: were people, so many people I think were touched by

483
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: the message. And then there were people who were very

484
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: pissed about it. Some people were like, you don't know

485
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 3: what it's like to be chronically underweight or whatever, and

486
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: I was like, hold the phone. The importance of what

487
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 3: we're talking about is actually the fact that a size

488
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: zero did not exist until the late nineteen sixties, and

489
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 3: when we were on the precipice of women's rights really

490
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 3: shifting and civil rights really shifting, and we were having

491
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: conversations about how more than just men, we love rob

492
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: ally first, but more people than just men should have

493
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 3: more rights in our country. I don't think it's an

494
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: accident that suddenly sizes went from being numbers to the

495
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: idea of zero. Zero represents nothing, and then it became

496
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: this thing to strive for. And then when we were

497
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: in high school, suddenly the double zero got introduced, and

498
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 3: it was like, what are what are we doing when

499
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 3: we think about the power of language and the power

500
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: of words, like there is no size zero for men,

501
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: there's only size zero for women, and it hasn't always

502
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: been that way, And so for me it felt really

503
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: important to say, whatever you are, be that. But what

504
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: I don't want is for society to tell you that

505
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: you are your most valuable when you are your most invisible.

506
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: It's like all these years later, you know. One of

507
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: the best selling books of the last decade is Glennon

508
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: Doyle's Untamed, and she talks about how she had to

509
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: come to this realization of why do we always describe

510
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: mothers as being so selfless, saying they don't have a

511
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 3: self Like we applaud mothers who martyr themselves, but like,

512
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: what is that then model for your daughters? You would

513
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: never want your daughter to do that? Right, And that's

514
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 3: been one of the big conversations with me and my

515
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: mom in the last few years as well. And so

516
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: like this theme, whether it's about zero, or whether it's

517
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: about selfless, or whether it's about these things like these

518
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: things that we only put on women. It felt so

519
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: important for me. And by the way, like look at

520
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 3: Lisa Goldstein, She's the most beautiful girl, Like she has

521
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: a stunning body. Like, but this idea that even someone

522
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: like her, or women like any of us, have been

523
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: so scared about our bodies, shamed about our bodies, felt

524
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 3: like they weren't the right bodies, like just enough of it,

525
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: enough of it, like let's really be all about each other.

526
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: And so I loved it.

527
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: I loved it too, so and everything you're saying is

528
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I I I, Uh, when I saw the

529
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: double zeros, I was like, they don't even know math,

530
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: like zero.

531
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: Zero, Like it's like if you like diet coke, you're

532
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: gonna love diet diet coke. Yeah, Like, guys, it's already

533
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 4: at zero.

534
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: Well, what are we talking about?

535
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: And and then you start thinking, like, you know, because

536
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: we all when I was younger, I had those that

537
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: time of trying to be skinnier, you know, and I

538
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: really it's a it's refreshing now to see uh, women

539
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: of all sizes I see in advertisements and out there,

540
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: and it's like and I'm in life, I see you know,

541
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: young girls like this, this is who I am, And

542
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that was a possibility all along. It

543
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: took us a while as people, as a society, but

544
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that was a possibility. Not in

545
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: my time, not in the eighties or whatever, but in

546
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: seventies and when I was growing up. But more, you know,

547
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: it's more when you're in your teens and twenties is

548
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: when you really take that off. But I just I uh,

549
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: what that brought to the episode is that the humor

550
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: was there. There was a lightness and a love and

551
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: all the hate that you know, there was this negativity,

552
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: but it was in a light way. And then there

553
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: was this, you know, a real important, profound story. But

554
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: even even and I like, I teared up when she

555
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: pulls the thing open at the end, and I'm like,

556
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: I felt like, Victoria, why am I tearing up? I've

557
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: seen this a long time ago. What's the show?

558
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: You know?

559
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: But I teared up? But not to say that again,

560
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: it's it's very emotionally hah sweet, very important.

561
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we've really stuck the emotional landing on

562
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 4: that because I think it was such a a great message,

563
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: especially for our show, because knowing our demographic. I think

564
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: it was such. It was terrific messaging, and the way

565
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: we got there was great too, because just prior to

566
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 4: that moment backstage, who has the idea that it should

567
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: be Millie. It's Alex, which is cool and clever because

568
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: we've already started to see maybe a more human, softer

569
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 4: side of Alex when she sticks up for Milly. I

570
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: need to circle back then in a second. But the

571
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: funniest part is that it's Alex and she says Millie

572
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: should do it. But she does it while writing with

573
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: makeup on the past out girl's face, and she just

574
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 4: casually over her shoulder goes, oh, yeah, have Milly do it.

575
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 4: And I love that she is so comfortable at you know,

576
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 4: while just writing on this woman. She just roofed by

577
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 4: the way I expected her to. When I saw the

578
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: look on Alex's face when that model was mean to Milly,

579
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 4: I thought, Oh, this is going to be awesome. She's

580
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 4: going to just like give her a verbal lashing. No,

581
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: she went straight to drugging her. Yeah, it was gnarly right.

582
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: But then when she when she's just drawing a mustache

583
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: on her face and casually goes, yeah, Millie should do it.

584
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: It's like, that's perfect. She doesn't even look back over

585
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: her shoulder. She's just having fun, not concerned totally.

586
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: She's really playing the long game.

587
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

588
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that. I love the layers of that.

589
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: It's not expected. I wasn't expecting. You're expecting the verbal

590
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: lashing from Alex. You're expecting her to do a you know,

591
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: and then it's like the drawing. What is she drawing

592
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: because she's a mustache, and then it cuts to that,

593
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: and then the whole thing kind of takes place, you know,

594
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: and goes I know what to do, and you know,

595
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: I just uh, I mean in the whole show, can

596
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: we talk about the music and being.

597
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: There at sating Wait before we get there, I just

598
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 3: have to say I just scrolled down to this part

599
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: and I literally have written in my notes Alex sabotaging

600
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: her with Mets I don't love, but I do love

601
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: that she stood up for Milli in her own way.

602
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

603
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god. It's so there's something about a character

604
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: like Alex, similarly to a character like Victoria, where they

605
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: because they get to be outlandish, you forgive their extremity

606
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: and it's fun to watch, Like if anyone did that

607
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: to someone in real life, they'd go to jail. I

608
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: mean one one would hope. On the show, it is

609
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 3: quite funny. And then yeah, the backdrop of all of

610
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: this happening in the most epic concert is just yeah,

611
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: it's wild.

612
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the perfect blend of she's being a good

613
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 4: friend and she's wildly unhinged, like she she's risking killing

614
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 4: someone just to stand up for her friend.

615
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: And drawing a mustache on me.

616
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, adding insult to injury.

617
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: I almost feel like, did they have her do the

618
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: mustache bit to make it clear that the girl was fine?

619
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: Like is that? Why? Is that why they did it?

620
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: Because if she wasn't fine, obviously someone would have had

621
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: to call the paramedics. But like maybe that was the

622
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: way of being like, oh Alex, hah.

623
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. It made me feel like Alex knows her drugs,

624
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: Like she knows the dosage, she knows what it is.

625
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was, but it was like,

626
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, she knows and I don't know. She just

627
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: knows a lot about this. I feel like she's done

628
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: it before when needed.

629
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: She knows her goofballs. I know that about her rewinding

630
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: a little bit. I noticed something on this episode, and

631
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 4: I'm curious. I'm curious how you feel about actually two things.

632
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: First of all, so if do you cringe every time

633
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 4: on any subsequent project when a character talks to their

634
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 4: other character, like their boyfriend or girlfriend and uses their

635
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: first and last name, yes, because that, to me is

636
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: it's so distinctly One Tree Hill. The amount of times

637
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 4: I had to say I love you, Quinn James, and

638
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 4: then the scene with you and Julian he's like, hey,

639
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 4: Brooke Davis. Yeah, And it's that thing that ever since

640
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: One Tree Hill. Any show I'm on, if there's a

641
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 4: moment where they do the first and last I'm like,

642
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 4: I bristle, you.

643
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Go, that's a One Tree Hill thing.

644
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like, it's funny because with for some reason,

645
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 3: I'm so used to it with Brooke, like it tracks

646
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: for me most with her as a term of endearment.

647
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: What's almost weirder to me is when you're working on

648
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: something and yeah, someone's like supposed to be your spouse,

649
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: but you keep calling them by their first name, like

650
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: in scenes in your house, and it's like people don't

651
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 3: do that. I don't know the last time I like

652
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: people say honey, baby, but whatever they say, like you don't,

653
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: I'm never going to walk in a room and be

654
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: like Robert, use me, Like what is that? It's so weird.

655
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 3: So the first, the first and last name together almost

656
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: tracks more for me than just the first name repeated

657
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: ad nauseum in a script. I don't know. Maybe that

658
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: was my coping mechanism.

659
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because it is a very uh

660
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,479
Speaker 1: I can see doing it. I can see it being

661
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: kind of if you do it right at the right time,

662
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: this like in your face sexy thing. Like I'm saying,

663
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: it's on purpose, on purpose, you know, Eluckley it was.

664
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: You can see it. But I saw Daphne make that

665
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: face and.

666
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, but to do it all the

667
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: time kind of kills the power of it, right.

668
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: That's it. It's that everyone does it all the time

669
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: because I agree with you it is effective, it's playful

670
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: or if it's like seductive, except when it's and you're

671
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: using it liberally all over the place, it's like, well, okay,

672
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 4: now it's just a weird tick. The other take I had,

673
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: so again, I watching this sort of as a first

674
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: time viewer because my experience of Clay and Quinn was

675
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 4: as the actor doing it, so I had sort of

676
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 4: backstory and lots of other things going on. But now

677
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 4: I'm watching it for the first time at a distance.

678
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: I walked away from last night's episode or yesterday this

679
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 4: this episode seven oh four, saying, this show is so

680
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 4: lucky that we got Chantelle to be Quinn, because in

681
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 4: the hands of a different actor, I think Quinn could

682
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 4: have been far less likable and less successful, because I

683
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: look at the lines they have her saying, and it

684
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: kind of culminated in this episode specifically because she's very

685
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 4: vague in terms of her like why it's not working

686
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 4: with her husband. She's very cold and detached, and the

687
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: problem is when you pair that with a scene partner

688
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 4: and Scott wholeroid, who is open and sweet and sincere

689
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: and so vulnerable. It's so vulnerable it really shines a

690
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: light on why aren't you leaning in? Why aren't you

691
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 4: being warm? And I think the only reason it didn't

692
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 4: stand out more as a testament to Chantelle and really

693
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 4: just playing it as earnestly as she could, because I

694
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 4: mean that scene where they finally sit down together and

695
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: he's just like, oh, I make this work. And she's like, no,

696
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 4: I'm out, Like it was one of those moments as

697
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: an actor I went, oh, wow, you don't realize it

698
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: watching this, but if someone just came in and played

699
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 4: these words, there is a huge chance that this character

700
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 4: just doesn't seem very kind because this is your husband.

701
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: This isn't the guy you went on two dates with,

702
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 4: you know, And can we do anything? No, you should

703
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: let me go, you know. And it's like ooh, And

704
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 4: then the cherry on the on the insult Sunday is

705
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 4: first of all, Clay punching David. I completely forgot about

706
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 4: and is it David, Yes, David, which was a bummer

707
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: and like, come on, Clay, but whatever. Fine, But then

708
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 4: after she has her last talk with him, when he's

709
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 4: really truly heartbroken at the end of the fashion show,

710
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 4: she gets up and walks over to Clay's car in

711
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 4: a view directly in front of her husband and gets

712
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 4: in and drives away with him. Yeah. The optics couldn't

713
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 4: be worse. Yeah, So the fact that the audience didn't

714
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 4: turn on Quinn is entirely a testament to Chantell. That's

715
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 4: my hot take.

716
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 3: I also think, like we've been so frustrated about how

717
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: vague what she says is for the last few episodes,

718
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 3: but in a way it almost finally worked for me

719
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: this week because I went, oh, she's clearly been going

720
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 3: through this sadness. She has suffered the death of this relationship,

721
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: and once she knew it was dead, she left. He

722
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: is only realizing that for her it's dead now. That

723
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: to me is such an indicator of two people who

724
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: do not speak the same language. And I sort of

725
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: loved that she got to say, like, I'm just done,

726
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: Like I've waited for so long, it's not going to

727
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: be different. I want more than this or something else

728
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 3: than this, like that thing. And I think that's actually

729
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: so universal. Do you have the courage to say this

730
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: just isn't it? And I don't want to. I don't

731
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: want to suffer it longer than I have, Like I

732
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: know there's no coming back from this. And in a

733
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: weird way, it being so vague and seeing how sort

734
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: of spun out he was, I was like, Oh, these

735
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 3: people have not been speaking the same language for such

736
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 3: a long time, and when that moment could have been

737
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: so cringe in a way, and it was what you

738
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: said that sold it for me. You said, if you

739
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: do this, I'll never forgive you. And she said, just

740
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: drive and I was like, oh, that's what she wants.

741
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 3: She wants to put the nail on the coffin. Wow.

742
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: And to be so committed to the idea of an

743
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: unknown future where you could be happier than like staying

744
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: in the thing that's been killing you a little bit

745
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: every day. I was like, girl, go that's a low blow,

746
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: but like, if it's the way, you got to do it.

747
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: On the way out the door, like can do it?

748
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 3: Go be free. I don't know. I finally feel like

749
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: I got the whole thing that for the last couple

750
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: episodes as a viewer, I've been like, why are they

751
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: telling me more? This episode it clicked for me.

752
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: What is there an actual reason I haven't practiced the

753
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: last few before this? Is there a reason written in

754
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: the script? Did something happened that she's unhappy with this?

755
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: It's more because Haley has asked her about it, you know,

756
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: and she just sort of says, you know, because Haley

757
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: says people have the right to change, and she's like, yeah,

758
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 4: people have the right to not change as well, you know.

759
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: And at the start of this episode, they're shopping in

760
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 4: the grocery store, and Haley says, referring to a serial.

761
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 4: She says to Quinn, Oh, look here, it has everything

762
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: you need. And then Quinn says, just because it has

763
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 4: everything you need doesn't mean it has everything you want.

764
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: She's talking about her husband and her marriage.

765
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: Yes, so we're not really getting anything specific, just the

766
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: sort of the generality of Okay, it's just it's it

767
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 4: has shifted, things have changed. It's not working for her anymore.

768
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, what what stood out to me kind of And

769
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: we talked about this. If I think maybe two episodes ago,

770
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: I think the writers could have given her a much

771
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: better story. But Quinn tells Haley this story about like

772
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 3: a night out she had and how David didn't go

773
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: and it was so special and she essentially realized she

774
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: didn't miss him at all. And it really I told

775
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: them then, like it reminded me of Brooks sort of

776
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: having to learn her power, how to learn to take

777
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 3: her power back. Really when she went through the whole

778
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 3: thing with Lucas where she was like, well, you didn't

779
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: miss me, so eventually I stopped missing you. I thought

780
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: it was like, while not done in a very good package,

781
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: I did think there was a little easter egg in

782
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 3: it of like these big sort of tent pole things

783
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: we've dealt with on the show. And so I think

784
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: the way I've been sort of tracking it is that

785
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: she's been trying to explain that they've just grown so

786
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 3: far apart that like they don't even really at least

787
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: she doesn't miss him or like even remember him sometimes.

788
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I think that I think that

789
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: sort of death that can happen in a relationship that

790
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: doesn't come from a scandal or a love triangle or

791
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: someone driving a limo off a bridge or all the

792
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: other crazy shit we've done. Like, I think part of

793
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: the reason I like it so much, I'm enjoying watching

794
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: it so much now is I'm like, oh, that's just

795
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: so much more real for most of what I've seen,

796
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: Like I don't I don't know a lot of people

797
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: who have a ton of scandal in their life, but

798
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people who like hit the

799
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 3: end of the road and then had to start over.

800
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: I think to your point, Rob, it was her vulnerability

801
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: that she was feeling such pain with that, like you're saying,

802
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: and you feel even more pain and confusion, and if

803
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: there was not a thing, if there wasn't an event,

804
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: there wasn't a betrayal, if there wasn't an outright thing,

805
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: and you're just feeling like, oh my god, I'm not

806
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: in love anymore. Oh my god, this is you know.

807
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: But that's why I saw her vulnerability. I didn't know

808
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: their backs well, but I did see that softness that,

809
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, she could have played it harder, and people

810
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: like try to get that point across in tough ways,

811
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: you know they'll be a jerk.

812
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: Exactly. It's one of those ones. The words are already

813
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: harsh enough, and so it's it's it's the smarter choice

814
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 4: to do what she did, which is too lean into

815
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: the vulnerability and the pain behind the words, where it's

816
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: like I know I'm hurting you, and this sucks and

817
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 4: it hurts, as opposed to that's what I'm saying. In

818
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: the hands, I think of a of a lesser actor

819
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 4: that could have easily been just totally real and cold

820
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 4: and one note, and it would have set the character

821
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: up to your why are we going to root for her?

822
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 4: You know? Whereas instead we're seeing what's great is we're

823
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 4: setting this runway up of she has baggage and it's

824
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 4: coming out of the thick of it. Clay we're about

825
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: to find out has baggage, and so it's nice because

826
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 4: it's not like, here are two new characters and they're

827
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 4: about to fall in love and instead it's like, here

828
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 4: are these two new characters who are a mess right now,

829
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: and they're gonna get messy together, you.

830
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: Know, And it's nice that their relationship starts in that

831
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: almost it's not like sibling energy, but you know what

832
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: I mean, Like it's playful. It's you know, the Hayley's

833
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: sister and Nathan's agent, and like she teases you about

834
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: women and get you make her drink horrible drink. Like

835
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: there's there's like a juvenile humor to it that I

836
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 3: think gives us as an audience a little something new.

837
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 3: It's not like Nathan and Haley Boom, they're in love forever.

838
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: Peyton and lucas big endgame story. Like it's nice to

839
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: have something new and innocent and silly, especially because, as

840
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 3: you just said, both of these characters have this heavy baggage.

841
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: And even though we don't know about Clay's yet, we

842
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: know there's something brewing in him that keeps him you know,

843
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: holding most people at arm's length. And you're right, I

844
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: think it's such. It was just such a great instinct

845
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: that Chantal had to lean into. How absolutely hard it

846
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: is to hurt someone that you have loved, even if

847
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: you have to do it to save your own life, Like,

848
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: it's hard. It's hard when someone isn't ready and you

849
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: see the writing on the wall, you know the thing

850
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: is dead. You know, oh it has to be buried,

851
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: and the person is not ready to bury it, Like, oh,

852
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: that's so heavy. And if she had tried to mask

853
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: that sadness, it would have felt cold. And instead it's

854
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: like I may not understand everything going on with this woman,

855
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: by I know how that feels, and it is so relatable.

856
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 4: This is a reference I'm sure twenty percent at best

857
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 4: of our audience is going to get. But have you

858
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 4: ever seen the film Harry and the Hendersons. Yes, John

859
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: Lithgow in The Bigfoot. Everything we're talking favorite movies? Okay, great.

860
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 4: It reminds me of the ending when John Lyftgo's character realize,

861
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 4: we love this guy and he's a part of our family,

862
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 4: but this isn't the life he should have. He needs

863
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 4: to be out of nature and so he takes him

864
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 4: out of the forest, and of course the Bigfoot's like,

865
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: I love now, We're good, I love you or my friend,

866
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: and so John left goats to put on his face

867
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 4: where he's like, don't you see we don't love you.

868
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: I don't get out of here, Get out of here.

869
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 4: And Bigfoot's hurt and like what the hell just happened?

870
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 4: And so he sort of saunters off into the forest

871
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 4: and the lift go turned to camera and he starts

872
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 4: crying and it's like, oh, that hurt him too, but

873
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 4: he knew it's what had to be done. What I'm

874
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 4: saying is Sean Tella is John lyth Go and Scott

875
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 4: Holroyd is Bigfoot. David's a bigfoot. But one thing I

876
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 4: like that that they also did with Clay Quinn is

877
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 4: that she sees him yeah, and when she calls him

878
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 4: on it, he's honest. So right from the jump there's

879
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 4: sort of a bit of it's like we're they already

880
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 4: start cutting to it. She's like, is this who you are?

881
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 4: A different girl every night? And he's like sometimes, you know.

882
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: And so I like that there's already sort of like

883
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 4: an access point for them to start to see each

884
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 4: other and get to know each other.

885
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the way you have played Clay because

886
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 3: I can tell there's something going on. But you bring

887
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: such strength to the relationships with the people you love,

888
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: like the way you stand up for Nathan, and even

889
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: watching you play that scene with Jana where you turn

890
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: Alex down, I was like, Oh, I can't wait to

891
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: get into the gears of this. Did you know in

892
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 3: seven o four that things would start to be revealed

893
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: for you soon? Or were you just week by week

894
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: figuring it out and trying to make interesting choices.

895
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: By seven oh four, I might have started to be

896
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: filled in on that he Obviously not a lot of

897
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 4: the endgame stuff of Clay No, no, no, that didn't

898
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 4: come until it actually came, the sharky stuff. But this stuff,

899
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 4: I think they may have already been in my ear

900
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 4: a bit because I don't recall when it happens. But

901
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 4: when we find out what happened to him, I don't

902
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 4: know if I knew at this point not but obviously

903
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 4: from the text that I had or from the dialogue

904
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: I had, I knew this guy had some pain and

905
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: was running from something big. But I don't know if

906
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 4: I knew it it was his h what we're going

907
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 4: to find out? It was.

908
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: It's nice. I feel like I can I can see

909
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: it brewing.

910
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: I love that Klanquin bonded over brain blasters. Everything Steven

911
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 4: did I thought was great. His first scene with you,

912
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 4: Daphne was so damn funny. You just roasted him, and

913
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 4: the way he just took it was beautiful. And then

914
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 4: all his stuff at the bar, He's just delightful. He's

915
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: just fun and light Mouth being a real good friend.

916
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 4: I mean, the only thing I bumped on was after

917
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 4: he's live on air and he refuses to read the story.

918
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 4: When he goes to walk away, he walks past his boss,

919
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 4: and his boss goes, yeah, just keep walking McFadden, you're

920
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: off the air, And I just laughed, going, are they

921
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 4: in high school? What kind of grown up? It felt

922
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 4: like a locker room talk, you know, It's like, that's

923
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 4: not how a boss. I just can't fucking what would

924
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: you expect him to do? But I thought, wow, Mouth

925
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 4: really is sort of showing his true character by it

926
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 4: kind of jeopardizing his professional career for his buddy and

927
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 4: his belief in his buddy's innocence.

928
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, and I loved that he said, because there

929
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: is such a difference between tabloids, which will print anything anyway,

930
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: and real news. And I love that he said, no,

931
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 3: if it's in those magazines, it's not serious. If we

932
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 3: report on it, it becomes serious, right, And he knows

933
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 3: the difference, and I think, I don't know. It felt

934
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 3: really refreshing because we live in this really weird world

935
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: of nobody feels like they know anything anymore, and it's

936
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: nice to be reminded that there are actually guardrails and

937
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: boundaries and trusted news sources versus not. And it was

938
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: such a simple thing to say, but it communicated so much.

939
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 3: And then when he stood up for Nathan live on

940
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: the air, as you said, it made me think about

941
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: what Nathan was telling Jamie when Jamie's asking, you know, Dad,

942
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 3: why would someone lie about something like this? And he

943
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: talks about how sometimes people forget the difference between right

944
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: and wrong and they take advantage of good people when

945
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: they do. And we got this button with mouth looking

946
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: at that picture and saying nope, And I was like,

947
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: Marvin McFadden knows what's right, and it just like you know,

948
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 3: Nathan and Jamie were in the scene, but it buttoned

949
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 3: that whole thing up for me in a way that

950
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 3: I was like, oh.

951
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: My god, it's such a good example.

952
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 4: Maybe want to sob Yeah, and it's great that we

953
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 4: have characters like Mouth, who in this episode is so

954
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 4: grounded and small, like he's just he's steady, whereas you know,

955
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 4: they weren't the fashion show. We have Alex stuff, and

956
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: we have you know, there's all these things out and

957
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 4: then his storyline is just no, my friend told me

958
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: he didn't. I don't buy this not doing it, yeah,

959
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: you know, and it's like there's no hysterics, it's just

960
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 4: a calm no.

961
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: I mean I think of Lee that way.

962
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 4: Mm hm, you guys, Yeah, I.

963
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: Know, Rob, you guys had nights of partying out there

964
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: and he you know, used to do his thing when

965
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: he was younger. But I think of Lee that way,

966
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: and I think of Mouth that way, you know. And yeah,

967
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure as writers they have to come up with

968
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: someone who's going to be the you know, the right

969
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 1: and wrong character, So craziness can have something to yeah,

970
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: be in contrast to yeah, relief in this kind and

971
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: these kinds of stories, you know, especially that story where

972
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: we all with the tabloid stuff. It's just so evil

973
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: and viral and just such a violations constantly, and they

974
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: can say whatever they want. When it's in print, people

975
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: believe it. I don't care what it is. It's so

976
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: crazy people believe anything like Bigfoot. You know, you're talking

977
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: about Harry and Henderson's but so he didn't have a choice.

978
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: He knew right and wrong if he said it. If

979
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: you put it on, it's like, people believe it. If

980
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: it comes out of your mouth, out of mouth's mouth

981
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: as a news aker, you believe it. Yeah, And I've

982
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: seen It's funny because recently I've experienced I saw something

983
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: that was released into the press about Melrose's place, and

984
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: it was a leak, and then I saw it go viral,

985
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: and every time it appeared somewhere else, from Deadline to

986
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: Hollywood Reporter to Entertainment to USA Today to then the

987
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: Today Show is coming out of people's mouth. I'm like,

988
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: that's not true. Like, you know, I saw things when

989
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: I was younger, and you know, whatever, I was in

990
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: the press a little bit more. But this was like

991
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: kind of an eye opener because think about it. People

992
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: just grab something off the internet and then whoever they

993
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: have to change a word, just change a word, and

994
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: you're like, like, you know, in production, in development and

995
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: in production are two completely different things, you know. So

996
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 1: I just saw that, and this point that you're bringing

997
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: up about this part in this story of this episode

998
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: where he refuses to make news of this tabloid story

999
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: is just I really, you know, obviously so important, but

1000
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: I just really related it to it from recently, from

1001
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: going from online things where people need news to coming

1002
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: out of anchored on the Today Show or Good Morning

1003
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: America for two days.

1004
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so crazy.

1005
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: Oh, you have to be careful everything you read and

1006
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: everything you hear. You have to just especially these days,

1007
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: as you said, so right.

1008
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so crazy. And I think listen, while

1009
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: they've gotten even wilder about what they're willing to print

1010
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: evidence be damned, Like things just don't even get fact checked.

1011
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: Anymore because they know they can get away well.

1012
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: They want it, They want out all the clickbait they

1013
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: can get because that's how they're all making money. But

1014
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 3: it's like it's really crazy to me too, to your point,

1015
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 3: how some people have also figured out how to like

1016
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: make suggestions without fully saying something, because if they fully

1017
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 3: said something that was a lie, they'd be sued for defamation.

1018
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: But if they suggest something and then say, oh, that's

1019
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 3: not really what I meant. I was just talking about

1020
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: my experience or whatever. Like people who want to manipulate

1021
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 3: are said to know how to use these very manipulative

1022
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: outlets to do so. And I think it was really

1023
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: interesting because on the one hand, knowing that I'm watching

1024
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: this whole storyline going wow, this like is sort of evergreen,

1025
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: and then on the other hand, I feel really icky

1026
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: about it for the same reasons that you brought up

1027
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: about why it's hard to rewatch Melrose, Because I was like, Oh,

1028
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 3: anytime we want a storyline for a woman, she has

1029
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: to get heart she has to get her heart broken,

1030
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: get cheated on, or get attacked. But to have a

1031
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 3: storyline for a guy, a woman has to lie about

1032
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 3: having had an affair with him. And like, it's like

1033
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: that classic evil Harlot, you know, woman up to no

1034
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 3: good thing, which we know actually happens so much more

1035
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: rarely than terrible things happen to women. And part of

1036
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: me couldn't help but be like, God, this story's very

1037
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: evergreen in certain ways because of how people will use

1038
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: the media and whatever and then on the flip side,

1039
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 3: I was like, I have this icky, icky feeling because

1040
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 3: are we is this just more of our boss being

1041
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 3: our boss wanting to be like women are just evil

1042
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: and they're temptresses and they're you know, all these crazy things.

1043
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: Like I found that it was hard for me to

1044
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: watch without being suspicious of the motivations in the writer's room,

1045
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: and that is that's hard for me. But it's like

1046
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: once you know the way people wield their power, you know,

1047
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: And so I don't know, it's interesting that you're talking

1048
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: about that being part of what you're experiencing rewatching your show,

1049
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: because I catch myself sometimes being like is this a

1050
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: story because it's a good story or is it a

1051
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 3: storyline because they were taking a potshot at somebody? And

1052
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 3: like I justugh, I don't know. I wish I could

1053
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 3: like scrub my brain and just watch it and not

1054
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: be suspicious.

1055
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, One Tree Hill's tricky too, because we obviously know

1056
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 4: sort of like the backstory. It's it's tricky to watch something.

1057
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 4: Was it was it that? Was it the higher up?

1058
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: Or was it the fact that we were a teenage

1059
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: soap opera during that time period on a network known

1060
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 4: for beautiful people, you know. So it's like, oh boy,

1061
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 4: which one was it? You know?

1062
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing you never.

1063
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: Know, you don't. And but to that point, it's also listen,

1064
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: change is slow, real change is slow. And most writer rooms,

1065
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: writing rooms are mostly men, and you know they've got

1066
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: to come up with something here, Well, what's the threat?

1067
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: And it's kind of what, like I said, it's already

1068
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist. It's already sort of just drama, and

1069
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: and it's relatable because of the tabloids. So uh, it's

1070
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: kind of just I don't know, it's just there. It's

1071
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: kind of just safe, easy drama in a way, you

1072
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. The story, as you've said, that's

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Speaker 1: been done over and over.

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Speaker 3: Well, and to your point, if it is just about

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00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 3: needing good drama, an easy story, it also really works

1076
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 3: with our hero couple of seven seasons, like what's going

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00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: to come in and mess up Nathan and Haley? Like

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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: this is a pretty good in Yeah, and the fact

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00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: that I think there's actually something so cool. I can't

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00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 3: let us finish without talking about how great Joy is

1081
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: in this episode, My God, and the way that she

1082
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: plays the anger and frustration about the situation, not the

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 3: anger at Nathan shows what an amazing team they are, Like,

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00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 3: I think the goal in a relationship is always to

1085
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: be like, hey, it's you and me. We're teammates, and

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00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: the problem is on the other side of the net,

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00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 3: Like it's us against the problem. And that was a

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00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 3: dynamic that they didn't name, but that I saw represented

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00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: in their relationship and all the scenes in this episode

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00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: so well. And I don't know, I loved that, and

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00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: so part of me is like I don't want to wonder.

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01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to have all the like icky inside

1093
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: baseball like suspicions that I have, because I also sort

1094
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: of love who I get to see these people be,

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: including Haley with a mean right hook at the end

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01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: of the episode.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, she was good in that scene. The look

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Speaker 4: in her eyes.

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Speaker 1: We got two punches in that one episode.

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Speaker 4: That's right. And I'm just gonna say it, I think

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01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: hers was better. I think I was gonna say it Rob,

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Speaker 4: but let's say let's name it Daphne. This is a

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01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 4: brave get brave here on this podcast. She threw the

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 4: better punch.

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Speaker 1: She threw a better punch. But you're number two. You

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Speaker 1: were second you know.

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Speaker 4: Silver still a metal baby to two things. So first

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Speaker 4: of all, how about Joy with bangs?

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Speaker 3: Bangs looked great nowhere loved it.

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Speaker 4: But and Daphanie, you might not know this one because

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01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 4: you didn't see seven oh three and seven out two.

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Speaker 4: But so did Joy's hair get redder in this episode?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: It did? Right?

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, it was like, oh, who knew I'd be

1116
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 3: watching Haley as a redhead whilst a redhead myself?

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Speaker 1: Was that a fashion show? Because I noticed that totally

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01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: at it was that just because we're doing this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she like changed her hair.

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Speaker 4: I think I noticed the color though all episode, but

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Speaker 4: it really popped in the lighting of the fashion show.

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Speaker 4: But it was funny because I had thought, oh, I

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 4: got to circle back and ask so how she's liking

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01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 4: red hair? And then I sat down to watch the

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01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 4: episode and went, is is Joy's hair red?

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: Maybe everyone's loving the red hair?

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01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 3: Listen, it's really a time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I recommend for all you're.

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Speaker 4: Up next, rob Listen, I'll do it. I had I

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01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 4: had a moment after I finished my last show where

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Speaker 4: I have I've always wanted to dye my hair, and

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01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 4: I thought I'm going to do it. I'm just going

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01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 4: to do it. It was like summertime and this she was slow,

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Speaker 4: and first off, I had read my hair. I went,

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01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 4: I went, I wanted to go white, like white white,

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01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 4: and when you have dark brown hair like mine, that's

1138
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 4: a nightmare. And I went to a guy who wasn't

1139
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 4: good scalp burns. It was terrible. They just they ended

1140
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 4: up comping my entire thing because it was traumatic, but

1141
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 4: it was fun. But here's what I didn't realize how

1142
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 4: much upkeep goes into coloring your hair. Like I'm glad

1143
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 4: I did it once, but especially having dark hair and

1144
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 4: going lighter, you realize the window, how small the window

1145
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 4: is a time or a week, you get a week

1146
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 4: of enjoying it. Ye. So but yeah, Red is next.

1147
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 4: Should we do a listener question?

1148
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 3: I think we should. We've got a question from Rachel.

1149
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 3: There are so many memorable quotes from the show. If

1150
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 3: you could choose one quote that you feel represents your

1151
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: personal life philosophy, what would it be? Oh my god,

1152
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 3: that is a big question. I just like, I was like,

1153
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 3: is the question going to be what's your character's best zinger?

1154
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 4: No, damn it, I'm going to buy you a small

1155
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 4: amount of time because I have one locked and loaded

1156
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 4: for this okay, because I initially thought, okay, wait, am

1157
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 4: I going to go deep with it? And then again,

1158
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 4: I remember so little of the show that there's a

1159
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,919
Speaker 4: very little liking quote at this point. However, I would

1160
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 4: say the quote for me is I could eat the

1161
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 4: butt off a skunk? Yeah, from alex an episode or

1162
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 4: two ago. Because I tell you how many times a

1163
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 4: day I talk about being hungry wanting to eat. What

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01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 4: if we're going to a restaurant, I want to look

1165
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 4: at the menu ahead of time. Yep. Food is a

1166
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 4: huge part of my life. So I think that one

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01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 4: kind of if any moment you said how you doing,

1168
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 4: could you eat the butt off a skunk? I'd go, yeah, yes,

1169
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 4: probably good? Actually fits Wow, I like it daft?

1170
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 3: Do you have anything percolating?

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01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, Victoria has so many good ones.

1172
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: I can'ts hit their life mottos though, or philosophies. But uh, well,

1173
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: until next time, that's pretty nice, you know, I just

1174
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: until next time? There, you know what I have to say. Lately,

1175
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of times when I've just wanted

1176
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: to go get out of my freaking face. You know,

1177
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: not to not to an actual person, but just the

1178
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: ishue you and everything you represent and what you're bringing

1179
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: into me just so uh and do it with a smile.

1180
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: So I think that's useful. I wouldn't say it's a

1181
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: life of love, but I think that I think that

1182
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: we should all lean into the polite, nice little way

1183
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: of saying.

1184
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 3: Yeah enough, oh man. I I don't know. The one

1185
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 3: I think that comes to mind immediately is because it's

1186
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 3: one of the ones I get asked to sign the

1187
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 3: most at our conventions. But Brook has a whole speech

1188
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 3: about how there will be a day when you realize

1189
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 3: you're not just a survivor or a warrior. And for

1190
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 3: some reason, that theme of how people can take their

1191
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 3: power back has really been so present in so many

1192
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: conversations in so many places, in spaces I've been in recently,

1193
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 3: and so I guess there's a little bit of that,

1194
01:04:55,480 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 3: like giving the positivity and the power and credit to

1195
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 3: yourself for the life you've lived so far. Instead of

1196
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 3: saying like, oh, I've been through all of this, it's like, yeah,

1197
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 3: and I've nailed it. No matter how hard it was,

1198
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 3: I did it, and I'm here and I love that

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Speaker 3: I really like the idea that you don't have to

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01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 3: be bummed or shamed, you can be proud. I think

1201
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 3: that's sort of great. It feels like it for me

1202
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 3: in this moment.

1203
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: I love that it's a good one, that seems good.

1204
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 4: Daphne, thank you for joining us. It was so good

1205
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 4: to see you, friend the best.

1206
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

1207
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 3: We tell everybody because obviously you're the best at podcasting.

1208
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 3: Where we can find yours, where people can listen, how

1209
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 3: much is available to listen, to give us, give us

1210
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 3: the rundown of all things. Still the Place for our listeners.

1211
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: So it's called still the Place because our show back

1212
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: in the nineties was Melrose Place, and it comes out

1213
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: every Monday. There's a new episode. We have four up already.

1214
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: It's produced by iHeart and it's available anywhere though you

1215
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: know where they say you can get wherever you can

1216
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: get podcasts, and it's Courtney Thorn Smith and Laura and myself.

1217
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: We're starting from the very beginning and we will be

1218
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: rewatching all of them, and so we hope people can

1219
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: watch Meloe's Place. You can do it on Paramount or

1220
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: Amazon and come and watch us with all the behind

1221
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: the scenes and you know, we talked about all of

1222
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: our audition processes and how and then you know what

1223
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: it was like coming on the show. And Courtney has

1224
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: so many great memories and it's a whole other era

1225
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: the nineties. If you want just an escape, you know,

1226
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: to just enjoy what we wore alone in the nineties.

1227
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: I have the hairspray that that required.

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01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 3: Also, I have to say, like the excitement percolating in

1229
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 3: my friend group. My girlfriend Sam from college and one

1230
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 3: of my best friends, Jamie from right after college. The

1231
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 3: three of us for the longest time lived in an

1232
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 3: apartment building off of Melrose Place, and we were just

1233
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 3: and this was like before you and I had started

1234
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 3: working together, and we were like, it's Melrose Place, like

1235
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 3: the new class. We kept joking about it, and then

1236
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 3: when you came on One Tree Hill, like my friends

1237
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 3: like died and so I don't know this, this feels

1238
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 3: very very fun for us. None of us lives there anymore,

1239
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 3: but oh my god, it was a time.

1240
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, very cool. We still hear that, like people. I

1241
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: really love it because we did wait all these years,

1242
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: thirty years and as I said, it just sort of

1243
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: happened spontaneously. But it's long enough ago that people can,

1244
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: like you smile when you talk about that. It's a memory,

1245
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: it's a you know, a nostalgia too because it's an

1246
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: era and peoples when they were young in college or

1247
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: just after college. So it's really fun. But I love it.

1248
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: Come back on and to with you too, and this

1249
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: has been great. You guys are thank you so much.

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01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for joining us. It was a lot

1251
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 4: of fun.

1252
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you and friends.

1253
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 3: Will see you all next week for season seven episode

1254
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 3: so drive your cheating heart. Hey, thanks for listening. Don't

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01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 3: forget to leave us a review. You can also follow

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Speaker 3: us on Instagram at Drama Queen's ot.

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01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: H or email us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 1: See you next time.

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01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama. Girl Drama Girl

1260
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 2: all about them high school Queens.

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01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: We'll take you for a ride at our comic Girl

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Speaker 1: sharing for the right teams.

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Speaker 3: Drama Queens, traylease my girl up Girl Fashion with your

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Speaker 3: tough girl.

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Speaker 2: You could sit with us Girl Drama Queens, Drama Queens Drama,

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