Speaker 1: When somebody don't look at the other teams bench.
Speaker 2: Walked into that Mama be.
Speaker 3: Damn ain't no magic. That's when I started dunking.
Speaker 4: Nothing screams all the smoke like a classic in your
Speaker 4: face dunk. We've been blessed to sit down with some
Speaker 4: of the greatest dunkers in the game, from Dominique Wilkins
Speaker 4: to Sean Kemp, Ronnie Fields Jack, A ton of guys
Speaker 4: come to mind. But who were some of your best
Speaker 4: in game dunks? Give me three or four best in
Speaker 4: game dunks.
Speaker 2: One I'll go stro Miles Smith.
Speaker 4: That's fucking crazy, you sound. I was literally thinking stro Malin.
Speaker 4: Who I mean you could name any of his dunks?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he wind milled on somebody when he was in
Speaker 5: uh dropstyle wind mill.
Speaker 2: I gotta go with my textas my little brow from text.
Speaker 4: Jail Green that windmill he caught it uh in Brooklyn
Speaker 4: or that was New that was New Jersey back then.
Speaker 5: I'm going Vince Carter on the lines in the morning,
Speaker 5: and I'm going I'm going uh m J on Pat Ewing.
Speaker 4: I'm going Sean Kemp on Alton Lister, I'm going Baron
Speaker 4: Davis on Andre Carolinko, I'm going DeAndre Jordan on Brandon Knight.
Speaker 4: Who else am I forgetting in shack when he dunked
Speaker 4: on Chris Dudley and wrapped his legs around. Well, I
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Speaker 4: The Crown is yours.
Speaker 6: I made this one dunk, double pump, reverse dunk in
Speaker 6: New York Garden. Stop bro, referee, stop the ball, just bounce.
Speaker 6: Pat Riley called the time out. You don't let this players,
Speaker 6: because nobody was moving. It was in ad a little bit.
Speaker 6: Uh you know, I felt the crowd, I felt the ship. Well,
Speaker 6: let me tell you all this man. In the next
Speaker 6: thirty days, I think I had fifty four ducks. So
Speaker 6: it just created a beast. I mean when when I
Speaker 6: said about dunk and it wasn't, I went from duncan,
Speaker 6: I was trying to fucking rip.
Speaker 2: I made this know, man.
Speaker 6: I would make this know so on my bathroom mirror,
Speaker 6: every me and my partners man, every anybody that we
Speaker 6: was playing. It was like a seventh footer. We would
Speaker 6: cut a picture off of him and on my damn
Speaker 6: mirror in my bathroom. And then and I was like,
Speaker 6: you know, it was like you gotta get this, you
Speaker 6: gotta get this big fucking my boys would be like,
Speaker 6: you gotta get this big. I was like, won don't
Speaker 6: we just get everybody guards, big men, anybody, whoever, It
Speaker 6: didn't matter. So it was just like my mindset, man,
Speaker 6: was just like I could just dump on any and everybody.
Speaker 6: It didn't matter. Five feet away, three feet away, double pump, reverse,
Speaker 6: double windmill, anything possible.
Speaker 2: Man. It was like double It was just like just
Speaker 2: kept talking double windmill. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 6: So it was just like, you know, it was all statements.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you have some do you have some favorites?
Speaker 4: Obviously the old listing one is big, and we've seen.
Speaker 6: That Ratland Gallan was a good one because he the
Speaker 6: story doesn't say, but the truth of it is he is.
Speaker 6: He tried to hurt me. That was a playoff game.
Speaker 6: He actually tried to hurt me before that. So he
Speaker 6: basically had threw me to the ground, kind of slammed
Speaker 6: me to the ground. I told his ass, at your
Speaker 6: old ass back, we'll get you back. I know how
Speaker 6: to get you back. I ain't gonna fight you because
Speaker 6: we get kicked out, but I know how to get
Speaker 6: your ass. I'm gonna put you one of these posters.
Speaker 6: The Ratler Gatlin. This is the poet of my favorite
Speaker 6: ones because I couldn't believe this nigga really gave me that.
Speaker 6: I loved it, man, I was just well, he gave
Speaker 6: me that right there. I was just like, man, you know,
Speaker 6: and we were partners too. I was just like, damn
Speaker 6: got me. He's like, damn, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's what you're doing. That's what you're doing when
Speaker 4: you're gonna lose.
Speaker 5: If you go down and duncle bar and had a
Speaker 5: rim shaking for the next three possessions, you ain't gotta
Speaker 5: say nothing.
Speaker 2: That's what you used to do.
Speaker 7: The thing that I enjoyed the most. And somebody asked
Speaker 7: me this question earlier today, said, you know, what is
Speaker 7: your favorite place? I said, well, I can't really say
Speaker 7: what my favorite play was, but I can tell you
Speaker 7: what my favorite situation was is when big men try
Speaker 7: to block my shot.
Speaker 8: Man, I tried to throw it so hard.
Speaker 7: I was trying to break that on to tear them
Speaker 7: from trying to If you throw it down the big
Speaker 7: guy real hard the first time, he's gonna be thinking
Speaker 7: about that next one.
Speaker 8: And then you can lay it up, you know, you know, make.
Speaker 7: A pass, whatever you need to do to get the bucket.
Speaker 7: But it puts that fear in his mind. But then
Speaker 7: you have them guys who like the block shots don't.
Speaker 8: Never they paint freaks, oh man, love it.
Speaker 7: But that those are the best situations for me when
Speaker 7: I can create an advantage for myself or for a team.
Speaker 9: Michael Jordan doctor Me on CBS, man and all I
Speaker 9: remember I was thinking, is in my park when you
Speaker 9: got dunk on, they took your sneakers and I just
Speaker 9: sat there and I go, I'm going to hear it,
Speaker 9: Like the only thing in my brain is my brother's
Speaker 9: going on. My phone's gonna blow up. When I got home,
Speaker 9: did you go up and try to like you tried
Speaker 9: to tell? I thought I had it?
Speaker 4: You know what? I think he had it.
Speaker 10: I thought the energy.
Speaker 9: He went up so fast and then moved in the air,
Speaker 9: and I just grabbed his face because I was like,
Speaker 9: you can't dunk this. And I grabbed his face and
Speaker 9: he still dunked it and his tongue was out, and
Speaker 9: you know, you try to take it out real quick.
Speaker 9: Like the lines on morning, they were like, no, that's
Speaker 9: a foul and then the cameras, cameras on you.
Speaker 2: You try not to be in the camera, like got.
Speaker 10: My that's funny.
Speaker 4: Obviously getting a chance of playing with MJ. But Vince
Speaker 4: from a standpoint of coming into the league and just
Speaker 4: the amount of highlights he provided with you ever in
Speaker 4: like all like you'd been with the grow. Yeah, but Vince,
Speaker 4: I think something different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Vince highlight may be better.
Speaker 11: Mike.
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, Mike.
Speaker 5: When he first Vince went the elevator, it was the
Speaker 5: twelve he made it thirteen foor.
Speaker 2: He's the best in game.
Speaker 5: Dunker him and yeah, Domini for his tip dunks, human
Speaker 5: highlights film. Yeah, but Vince, I know it was crazy man.
Speaker 5: When he got Lonzo, he opened the door there, let
Speaker 5: me close it, laning on everybody.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: This was the day he.
Speaker 10: Put the show on.
Speaker 12: He had a good he had like a ten year run,
Speaker 12: Vince and the Dunk contest and up in Canada, you know, Canada,
Speaker 12: Canada Air.
Speaker 2: Vince.
Speaker 4: So you've been known for putting people on posters, obviously
Speaker 4: with the Dunk of the Olympics, the Alonzo Morning Dunk
Speaker 4: in two thousand and five, just walk us through that sequence,
Speaker 4: because that could be one of the secondt chest to
Speaker 4: chest face dunk on your motherfucking asses we've ever said.
Speaker 13: So two thousand and five, we're playing at Miami and
Speaker 13: the first quarter the game starts and I go baseline,
Speaker 13: boom dunk on Zoe. All right, cool, whatever, you know,
Speaker 13: when you dunkle Zoe, you better be happy because Zoe
Speaker 13: coming back, he gona.
Speaker 4: He gonna get.
Speaker 13: That's just what it is. Two plays later, RJ boom
Speaker 13: dunk on him.
Speaker 10: So we both dunkle him in the first half.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 13: Go we get the halftime. I'm sitting the locker room.
Speaker 13: I said, hey, RJ. Literally I said this, this is
Speaker 13: my word. I said, RJ, we ain't gonna be able
Speaker 13: to duncle Zoe again because he's gonna knock us out
Speaker 13: the air. He ain't going for there. So I said,
Speaker 13: what you're gonna have to do. You're gonna have to
Speaker 13: take the hit, bounce off of, and then hopefully you
Speaker 13: could dunk it.
Speaker 10: God's honest truth.
Speaker 13: So second half comes, the ball goes out, r J
Speaker 13: tries to make a lab gets bumped out. I get
Speaker 13: the ball go behind the back of my boy, J
Speaker 13: will on bubbs and I take two dribbles. So I
Speaker 13: took the first dribble and I see the basket. I
Speaker 13: see Zoe, so he's sitting there like, yeah, okay, I'm
Speaker 13: about to block it. But you know, Jason Collins was
Speaker 13: so smart, bro, so you know know he was holding
Speaker 13: Zoe's on so he couldn't go. And as I took
Speaker 13: my second dribble, he let him go. So soon as
Speaker 13: he let him go, Zoe was already too late. So
Speaker 13: once I got in the air, br he jumps at me.
Speaker 13: So I'm up, he jumping at me. I already have
Speaker 13: the momentum because I got up first. So when here
Speaker 13: when he hit me, he bumps me up higher.
Speaker 14: So bro.
Speaker 13: So when I hit him and I'm leaning to the side,
Speaker 13: I'm like, oh shit, the rim is right there. So
Speaker 13: I'm like, Bron, don't miss this. I'm like, Bron, don't
Speaker 13: miss this. This is an opportunity. So I just got it.
Speaker 13: And I just remember I was so high. I just
Speaker 13: threw it through God. And I remember running down the
Speaker 13: court like so feel back, and I was I just
Speaker 13: look at our bitch like and I ran down the
Speaker 13: court and then and then d Waite was Simon.
Speaker 10: He's like, that ain't right, bro.
Speaker 13: I remember him saying that I laughed, but I tried
Speaker 13: to play it like I was tough, like you know,
Speaker 13: I was like, I'm in me muggy. But he said that,
Speaker 13: but that might have been the funniest thing ever. Like
Speaker 13: his teammate got voked and he's like, dang right, one
Speaker 13: of them.
Speaker 10: When to happen.
Speaker 5: Everybody running around the house, running.
Speaker 2: Around the house.
Speaker 4: Oh my, Like what the just happened?
Speaker 10: Man?
Speaker 2: It was great?
Speaker 4: Was there was there any truth that you guys didn't
Speaker 4: talk for like six or seven years after that? You
Speaker 4: was zo?
Speaker 13: Yes, man, it was like five years. So so I see,
Speaker 13: here's a creazy.
Speaker 2: Thing I heard.
Speaker 13: I saw his response somewhere. He's like, it wasn't true.
Speaker 13: I ain't got no reason to lie about it. But
Speaker 13: like it was a basketball play, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: It's not like we set him up like trying to
Speaker 13: jump on it was just like he tried to block it.
Speaker 10: It happened, okay.
Speaker 13: But I think the back story to it is a
Speaker 13: commercial was trying to be They were trying to do
Speaker 13: a commercial with that night. He tried to use a
Speaker 13: commercial and asked for his permission. He didn't want it
Speaker 13: to be done, so they ran the commercial up until
Speaker 13: the point to where we bumped and before.
Speaker 10: I duncked it and they cut it off.
Speaker 15: Damn.
Speaker 13: So they used that much of it, and I guess
Speaker 13: he felt like I had something to do with it.
Speaker 10: I ain't gonne to do that.
Speaker 13: Man, the first time you've been dunked on, you've been
Speaker 13: dunked on my airbody. Yeah, And I had dumped on
Speaker 13: my rookie year and I flexed on him like he's
Speaker 13: a young fellow.
Speaker 10: Calm down.
Speaker 13: That's how young fellas get hurt. I was like, my
Speaker 13: bad dunk on you don't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 13: I ain't stopped, you know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 13: one of those type of things. So so leading up
Speaker 13: to us, it was like five years. So All Star
Speaker 13: gave in Orlando. Right, All Star Game in Orlando is
Speaker 13: I helped. I hosted a dinner for Obama at my
Speaker 13: house and guess are coming in?
Speaker 10: Was only seventy people.
Speaker 13: Doorbell ring, door open, you know, somebody opened the door
Speaker 13: and I'm sitting at the front like greeting people, and
Speaker 13: I see zo. I was like, okay, so how we
Speaker 13: go play this one because he ain't talked to me
Speaker 13: in all these years, like you can walk up in
Speaker 13: my house say keep going or not like.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: So I'm just waiting to see.
Speaker 13: Because you know, it's like, all right, I'm you know,
Speaker 13: clearly you don't want to talk for whatever reason. So
Speaker 13: it's all good because all right, prior to we sat
Speaker 13: in a restaurant in Miami at Prime one twelve and
Speaker 13: see each other and he didn't speak.
Speaker 10: Maybe he didn't see me or not.
Speaker 13: We were facing each other, but maybe he didn't see
Speaker 13: me whatever, So I didn't know how this was going
Speaker 13: to play out. So that's why I was like in
Speaker 13: for five years. And finally when he walked in, we smoke,
Speaker 13: hug and it's all good. Like we talked. It was
Speaker 13: like like nothing never happened, and I was like, cool, whatever,
Speaker 13: it is a basketball player, so it is what it is.
Speaker 13: And I didn't want him and he probably never I
Speaker 13: probably I've never actually said that, but I think I
Speaker 13: personally think that's what led to him being frustrated or
Speaker 13: not talk to me because maybe he felt like I
Speaker 13: had something to do with that commercial and I didn't
Speaker 13: and get here's something I'm saying it already the words.
Speaker 13: I've seen it already, bro and it again. And that
Speaker 13: was my point. So like that's what I was like.
Speaker 13: It was a basketball play. Like if you block it, yo,
Speaker 13: that's your highlight. Now we see that sports and like
Speaker 13: he floored because if he blocked that, I'm hitting the floor.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. So it is
Speaker 10: what it is.
Speaker 4: He gonna get mad again because WE'RENNA. I'm gonna make
Speaker 4: sure they edit this. Uh so we get that on
Speaker 4: the edits that we put that on Instagram.
Speaker 16: We have Vince Card on the show a while back
Speaker 16: and he said the dunk he had on you in
Speaker 16: Miami kind of fuck you guys. Friendship for a little bit,
Speaker 16: speak for me, said.
Speaker 2: Talk to him about five years in writeing Bence to
Speaker 2: my golf tournament.
Speaker 17: He never came, Okay, listen, I love this. You know
Speaker 17: what he's done for the game.
Speaker 2: He caught me.
Speaker 17: But ask him how many times I blocked the shot?
Speaker 2: You know, exactly exactly so, but but he caught me.
Speaker 2: I mean, Vic was that.
Speaker 17: Type of guy where and I had to I had
Speaker 17: the ability where I would meet guys at the rim.
Speaker 17: You know, I just meet you at the rim because
Speaker 17: I had big enough hands and I had strong I
Speaker 17: was strong enough to really just catch you because I
Speaker 17: knew you were coming. You know, I knew you were
Speaker 17: coming to the rim. So I'm gonna meet you right
Speaker 17: at the rim. I will wait for you. And sometimes
Speaker 17: it was kind of risky because you get caught sometimes.
Speaker 17: But with Evince, I went up to catch his and
Speaker 17: he went up another lot. I was like, oh, he
Speaker 17: went up another left, he went up one more level.
Speaker 2: You it seemed like, knocked him up.
Speaker 17: Yeah, that was pretty I'm glad it's a little blurry
Speaker 17: now it is not in like h yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, h it's crazy question.
Speaker 5: But I know your game and I have just seen
Speaker 5: you play so much and idolajah.
Speaker 2: Would you rather cross someone to dunk on someone?
Speaker 5: But I've seen you do that too many times in
Speaker 5: the same plays.
Speaker 4: Go hand in hand. Yeah, for you that go in there,
Speaker 4: someone you crossed up and dunked on. That wasr that
Speaker 4: was the ship, that was your patting the things. So
Speaker 4: you got a lot of people on that list.
Speaker 2: Was it was.
Speaker 18: Always it was always fun dunking on the kimba. Yeah,
Speaker 18: I got him a couple of times, very few people
Speaker 18: got it. And he I used to tell Hi, I'm
Speaker 18: a clown, I'm a climb mountain, Tumbo, I'm coming and uh.
Speaker 4: You don't know, you ain't gonna get me.
Speaker 10: And uh and so that back.
Speaker 18: And the thing about my tumbo in morning, they jumped
Speaker 18: for everything.
Speaker 10: Even if they got jumped.
Speaker 18: A lot of guys won't won't come over, Shack, They
Speaker 18: won't come over, you know, they don't want to get posterized.
Speaker 18: But like the ken bet, he came every time, every time,
Speaker 18: and he got got, He got gott you know, no question,
Speaker 18: no question.
Speaker 2: How can I create advantage?
Speaker 7: And dunking was one of them tools man, that I used,
Speaker 7: and I just took it to a different level.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously a career full of highlights. Are there
Speaker 4: any dunks that's to kind of stand out to your mind?
Speaker 4: You said you love dunkin on big dudes, that's you know, yeah.
Speaker 7: I think one of my favorite dunks was against Bob Lanier.
Speaker 10: At the end of the game.
Speaker 7: I remember, I'm on the right side and I come
Speaker 7: to the middle and Kevin Greedy cuts me off and
Speaker 7: I go back basic.
Speaker 4: Sit here, jump.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 7: That's the one was that a double punt reverse on
Speaker 7: the side, so you see a ball fake hold hold
Speaker 7: on post game though, how many guards that post game?
Speaker 2: Back then through.
Speaker 7: Hey, let me tell you he didn't speak to me
Speaker 7: for nine years.
Speaker 10: I said, why do you Why are you not?
Speaker 7: I mean, what's up with that? He said, it's just recently.
Speaker 7: My daughter said I need to get by. He said,
Speaker 7: it's just a little skinny kid dunk on you like that.
Speaker 10: You should be.
Speaker 4: Embarrassed the night that you threw the fucking lot the
Speaker 4: DJ and he dunked on branding Knight probably one of
Speaker 4: the most disrespectful dunks in the history of the game.
Speaker 10: I'm surprised they gave y'all. They gave y'all bail yas
Speaker 10: should still.
Speaker 19: Be that Yah Night my man to Now me and
Speaker 19: me and Brandon Knight got a chance to play together
Speaker 19: in Houston.
Speaker 10: So that's who Dude's who dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: sid the dude seeple but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, being on Bluebush from about four five different teams.
Speaker 8: Bro the crazy.
Speaker 19: The craziest part about that live is like where I
Speaker 19: threw it, Like I threw it further back because I
Speaker 19: knew DJ could catch it and take it within it. Yeah,
Speaker 19: like most live if you throw it to the rim.
Speaker 19: But I threw it like to the dots or whatever.
Speaker 19: Because even to this day, like if I go right
Speaker 19: or something on the pick and roll, if I see
Speaker 19: the low man over early, I throw it to the corner.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean that's an easy read. That's an easy read.
Speaker 10: And so when we.
Speaker 19: Would run that play for DJ, we called forty five
Speaker 19: or whatever, all I was doing, I wasn't even looking
Speaker 19: at DJ.
Speaker 2: I was just looking at the lowman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was with me because I had shaken up
Speaker 4: and hit a three pointer earlier, maybe two possession before that.
Speaker 4: So then I stayed in the corner that time and
Speaker 4: it was over.
Speaker 10: But listen, man, your reactions.
Speaker 4: Yo, that's why I want people to watch my reaction
Speaker 4: and left like I didn't want to be questioned for
Speaker 4: no murder. I wasn't trying to snitch out nobody, Like
Speaker 4: I didn't want to tell the DJ to just killed
Speaker 4: this man in front of the whole world. So I
Speaker 4: jumped up like, yo, that y'all got to do it.
Speaker 1: And this is what y'all gotta do, is stack and
Speaker 1: Matt when y'all get a chance, me and my brother
Speaker 1: got a whole text stream. But this is all we
Speaker 1: do to each other is when somebody don't look at
Speaker 1: the other team's bitch.
Speaker 4: That's all crazy at because I can't.
Speaker 10: Then my brother text each other. We'll be like, look,
Speaker 10: you can't go back and look.
Speaker 4: At our bitch.
Speaker 20: Joe Greens dunk against the nets. Look the whole bitch
Speaker 20: the windmill. Yeah, yeah, go Look they was playing against Houston.
Speaker 20: Look at Houston's bitch. A bunch of them over there
Speaker 20: like this.
Speaker 4: You can't do that. That should make it worse if
Speaker 4: you and the other team you can't make a way word.
Speaker 4: But that was one of the most disrespectful ducks in
Speaker 4: NBA history. Doctor J something when you looked up to
Speaker 4: I heard in college he kind of rolled out the
Speaker 4: red carpet. You explain that story about doctor J.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 21: So I was leaving school and I called him up,
Speaker 21: and so he said, hey, I said, hey, what is
Speaker 21: it like leaving You left? So I want you to
Speaker 21: tell me what it's like for me to leave Michigan
Speaker 21: State early. And so he was explaining to me on
Speaker 21: the phone, and then he said, I'm gonna do you
Speaker 21: one better fly out to Philly and hang out with.
Speaker 2: Me for the weekend.
Speaker 10: I said, what doc, No, doc, that's a doctor. This
Speaker 10: is doctor j R.
Speaker 21: Saying a young fellow can come hang with it. And
Speaker 21: he put me up at his crib at the big.
Speaker 22: Mansion a limo, and my brother was like, oh, show,
Speaker 22: I'm calling everybody.
Speaker 8: I'm with doctor j at his house.
Speaker 21: And so you know, I'm sitting there living in the
Speaker 21: living room and he's talking to me and I'm just
Speaker 21: zoning out, like I can't even believe it. I've always
Speaker 21: had docs on. So now I'm with him. Oh it
Speaker 21: was crazy, man. So we hung out the whole weekend.
Speaker 21: Wife took great care of me as well, went to
Speaker 21: a couple of playoff games.
Speaker 2: He was in the playoffs.
Speaker 10: He gave me some great advice.
Speaker 21: And then here it is seven months later, I'm playing
Speaker 21: the brother in.
Speaker 10: The NBA finals.
Speaker 21: My idol, I'm playing him in the NBA Finals. And
Speaker 21: so so I said, man, I love you, but I
Speaker 21: got to take him out too, and take him out.
Speaker 21: But when he came down that middle I mean on
Speaker 21: that right side and cuffed.
Speaker 23: That ball on cool A bad business, remember, I said.
Speaker 16: Oh.
Speaker 21: And then the other one was he came down the
Speaker 21: right side and he jumped out.
Speaker 10: Of bounds and he started walking.
Speaker 4: The finger.
Speaker 10: In the air and the.
Speaker 21: Fro fro going back, bunting against the glasses.
Speaker 24: Good.
Speaker 10: I said, Man, this dude is too much.
Speaker 2: Man, he was doing that.
Speaker 10: George before Michael.
Speaker 21: People forget that he was the first dude walking in
Speaker 21: the air. Oh man, it was so much fun playing
Speaker 21: against Die and that we won.
Speaker 4: Some of whom I think got overlooked, but I know
Speaker 4: you know how important he was. Talk to us about
Speaker 4: Ak forty seven, because to me, he changed the whole dynamic.
Speaker 4: Jack and Bedie were both rolling in the first round,
Speaker 4: and Ak was someone who slowed both of them down
Speaker 4: a little bit. But talk to me about his versatility
Speaker 4: and how much he meant for your guys team.
Speaker 25: Man, Listen, if a if AK had a jumper like
Speaker 25: assistant jump, I think he would have been the best
Speaker 25: player in the league at the time, like honestly, because
Speaker 25: there's nobody that was They could fill.
Speaker 10: Up stats like him.
Speaker 25: Yep, I mean Lebron Lebron, But man, he just had
Speaker 25: he just he was everywhere defensively and then offensively.
Speaker 10: He had he had a great feel for the game.
Speaker 25: He was a great passer, great understanding of where to
Speaker 25: be and like you said, what he does on defense,
Speaker 25: I mean he he changes the game. You know, he's
Speaker 25: he's he's his help side defense is incredible.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 25: You know, he erased a lot of mistakes to him
Speaker 25: because we didn't have this the center shot blocker. You know,
Speaker 25: we had them on Booze, so they neither one of
Speaker 25: them was really shot blockers.
Speaker 10: It was ak that would come and help.
Speaker 25: And at the time, you know, the three position was
Speaker 25: probably one that you could help off the most in
Speaker 25: that era.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, but Bedi did get him. That motherfucker was coming
Speaker 4: from the weak started blocking everything. But Bedi went on
Speaker 4: that baseline that one time and got him. What were
Speaker 4: you thinking during that dunk?
Speaker 10: I'm so sick of seeing that ship.
Speaker 25: Even this year that was the opening day, they had shirts,
Speaker 25: they had posters.
Speaker 10: This year was twenty years ago. And then and then
Speaker 10: and then fast.
Speaker 25: Forward, Steph dunks and pulls up his shirt like recreating it.
Speaker 10: So then you know it goes back viral. Then you
Speaker 10: got you got all these you got all.
Speaker 25: These igs, you got to throw back hoops, she got
Speaker 25: way back hoops, she got pastime hoops. They show it
Speaker 25: and then and then I feel bad because it's my
Speaker 25: damn fault. I had some terrible, terrible defense. But yeah,
Speaker 25: I mean, if you're a shot blocker, you're gonna get got.
Speaker 10: It's just it's a but it was bad.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 10: He smushed his nose when they showed him slow mo.
Speaker 10: It's it's bad.
Speaker 25: Next that next that next year when we played all
Speaker 25: that first game, that's that's what was the posters cut
Speaker 25: out of that and his smush nose with with Beaty's
Speaker 25: hand on it.
Speaker 10: I was like, damn, my fault. I was just all
Speaker 10: I could do is say sorry.
Speaker 11: The reason why it was so crazy though, because Beadi
Speaker 11: had a bad knee, he had a bad back.
Speaker 10: He wasn't supposed to play that game. Uh, all that,
Speaker 10: all that, all that that was going on. He said
Speaker 10: they didn't have it.
Speaker 21: He was back, was hurting, his knees hurt, he wasn't
Speaker 21: gonna play all that.
Speaker 10: And he come out and do that.
Speaker 14: That's that's what That's what really shocked us because we
Speaker 14: didn't know.
Speaker 10: I didn't know he had it in him, to.
Speaker 2: Be honest, yeah I did, but I didn't know.
Speaker 25: He didn't tell me all that we was I mean
Speaker 25: He was with him every before every game, and I
Speaker 25: definitely didn't know he was hurt.
Speaker 10: But you know, he ain't gonna say that to me
Speaker 10: because I'm right a possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna go at him and take advantage of it.
Speaker 4: Take us back to your upbringing, your family dynamic, you know,
Speaker 4: military kids. So moving around.
Speaker 3: Born and raised in Nook, New Jersey, high level juvenile delinquent.
Speaker 3: Got out of there just in time. This is around
Speaker 3: the time where people stopped using their hands. Gave me
Speaker 3: a chain and knife and then pistols start coming out. Yeah, exactly. So,
Speaker 3: by the grace of God, moved to Germany, got away
Speaker 3: from that riding two three years in Germany. Now only
Speaker 3: thing I could focus on is basketball. So I'm terrible,
Speaker 3: six ' nine, cut from the freshman team, cut from
Speaker 3: the sophomore team. Again, my father comes in the house.
Speaker 3: Get your ass up. We're gonna go see this college coach,
Speaker 3: see if you can get a scholarship. It was Dale Brown.
Speaker 3: So I went in there and said, hey, coach, I
Speaker 3: need help. I ain't make the team. Blah blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. It's like thirteen, but I'm thirteen, six '
Speaker 3: nine can't play.
Speaker 2: I got bad knees.
Speaker 6: I got Osgod.
Speaker 3: Slaughter, Slaughter, I got the brown knee Breds with the
Speaker 3: home I'm slow as hell. I can't do anything. People
Speaker 3: laughing at me. So Coach Brown writes me, I do
Speaker 3: everything you say. So the next year, I still didn't
Speaker 3: make the team, so I send him a little up man.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just join Army. Just join Army.
Speaker 10: They're right, I.
Speaker 3: Can't walk into gun. At the same time, I can't
Speaker 3: do it. So he said, no, I'm off of your scholarship.
Speaker 3: So now we leave. When I come back to Texas
Speaker 3: and I go to a small high school in Texas,
Speaker 3: our team is terrible. I make the team all shit,
Speaker 3: and I'm starting to get a little confident. And then
Speaker 3: my dad takes me to see John Contact and now
Speaker 3: everything just changed overnight for me. Everything just changed overnight
Speaker 3: overnight for me, being that I was a hip hop kid,
Speaker 3: had a little rhythm. I'm not doing with Korean. I'm
Speaker 3: not doing those guy hooks. I like this magic cat.
Speaker 3: So you know, I started working on my little handles right.
Speaker 3: And then when I first started dunking, I never wanted
Speaker 3: to dunk. So junior year, I got forty five. At three,
Speaker 3: I'm killing the little dudes. I'm playing gainst my finger
Speaker 3: rolls it I miss. My father comes out and his
Speaker 3: fatigues time out. He you know, he walks the middle
Speaker 3: of the floor. Yeah, he's a pop time out. I said, yo, man,
Speaker 3: time out, Go bring you as outside.
Speaker 26: I'm cool.
Speaker 3: There, public ending me out. I got the flavor flat like,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm cold, right, Yah, I'm cool. So he takes
Speaker 3: me outside see him man fuck? You know, said man,
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, you know, I'm working on my
Speaker 3: little matt Wap smacks me. Ain't no magic be Shaquille O'Neill.
Speaker 3: But that's when I started dunking, right, And the reason
Speaker 3: why I've always dunk so fierce because I was mad
Speaker 3: at him and I wanted to tear the rim down.
Speaker 2: But it was just regular dunks dunk.
Speaker 3: So then I'm go home and you know, he making
Speaker 3: me watching college games and I'm watching Syracuse play Sherman
Speaker 3: Duglas throws it to Ronnie Cyclely. He dunk it, but
Speaker 3: he getting his legs up, and I was like, okay.
Speaker 3: So the next game, my father's there, I'm dunking and
Speaker 3: getting my legs up. So what I learned from Matt
Speaker 3: people start doing that, I was like, oh, okay, I
Speaker 3: got something there. So that's when i just started dunkin Duncan,
Speaker 3: dunkin Duncan, Duncan, dunk and dunkin. Dominate, dominating, dominating. And
Speaker 3: I'm the type. I was always a jealous kid. If
Speaker 3: your name's ahead of me, I'm coming after. BJ Tyler
Speaker 3: was ahead of me, right le Bradford Smith was out
Speaker 3: of me. Yeah, they had a dude name Matt something
Speaker 3: that was ahead of me. So I'm averaging thirty four
Speaker 3: in Texas, but nobody recognized all these guys ahead of me.
Speaker 3: So I'm coming for him because that's what I've been
Speaker 3: doing all my life. Right, So I'm coming, I'm coming,
Speaker 3: I'm coming, I'm coming. That's what I'm trying to teach
Speaker 3: my son. Now, I said, our lives is about peace
Speaker 3: and valleys. It's only a few people that come in
Speaker 3: and just do this. But the rest of us terrible
Speaker 3: high school player, high school all American. Oh, now you
Speaker 3: go to go to college. Hey, they got to do
Speaker 3: name Chris Jackson's stand. You're gonna have to wait. Okay,
Speaker 3: now you're the man. Cut Oh, now you get to
Speaker 3: the pros as you and as Robinson as a team.
Speaker 3: So I like, I like being challenged. I like when
Speaker 3: people say you can't do it. It just you know,
Speaker 3: makes us work harder. So my father was always a
Speaker 3: guy that never told me I was great.
Speaker 4: You guys run through the east and you guys run
Speaker 4: into them.
Speaker 2: What was it like?
Speaker 4: There was the one picture I think in that Finds
Speaker 4: where Shaq was dunking on everybody on the team at
Speaker 4: one time.
Speaker 26: Video that is one of the best pictures in history,
Speaker 26: in NBA history though, like steel shots, that's one of
Speaker 26: the best pictures.
Speaker 4: Ever. How tough were they though, How tough were they
Speaker 4: in theirs? But you were someone you had to guard.
Speaker 4: You you were a rare person could guard Shack and
Speaker 4: you had to. You had to guard.
Speaker 5: I was the romer.
Speaker 26: I was the double guy because it fits like, wait,
Speaker 26: while I can't do nothing with that dude. If I
Speaker 26: did get caught on, all I have to do is
Speaker 26: try to front him, and he just pushed me up
Speaker 26: the lane. They thought it was impossible to guard.
Speaker 4: Impossible.
Speaker 26: Listen, man, So you pick your poison? Do you try
Speaker 26: to play him straight up? You know what you're gonna
Speaker 26: do do you double swing swings? Now you got Now
Speaker 26: you got Derek Fisher going four for seven, Robert or
Speaker 26: going two for five, Devin George going too for It's
Speaker 26: just so then what do you do?
Speaker 2: And then you got the other animal.
Speaker 4: That one on one is destroying everybody in the world.
Speaker 26: He average check averaging thirty six. He averaged twenty six whatever,
Speaker 26: like it was impossible. But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 26: I I look back at it like I averaged twenty
Speaker 26: two against them. I like my second year average twenty
Speaker 26: twenty finals against them, Like I posted on like somebody's
Speaker 26: like the number of points in these serious somebody posted.
Speaker 2: Like it was one of them apps.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I seen that thing. You were up there.
Speaker 4: That's right. I dom third on the list. Of course
Speaker 4: you had shot and coch cole and then came on.
Speaker 26: You know what I'm saying, So I average twenty twenty
Speaker 26: finals like my second year, like game four and our
Speaker 26: home flow like, man, we ain't getting swept like fuck that,
Speaker 26: Like I'm not going home tonight, Like we're going back there.
Speaker 4: Alan, you went home that night, you were home that night.
Speaker 4: I'll tell us a little bit about that one particular play,
Speaker 4: you know that the dunk the bump, you know that
Speaker 4: was on Sports Center Top ten. What happened? Like you know,
Speaker 4: how to talk to how that dunk you know was
Speaker 4: talked about and kind of changed things even no lot
Speaker 4: to this day people either tag me it on Instagram
Speaker 4: or Twitter, like I see the dunk every day.
Speaker 10: Since somehow how many.
Speaker 27: Straight up?
Speaker 10: Yeah, now it's I gotta listen.
Speaker 28: I got a post of it upstairs in my in
Speaker 28: my hallway, like my mom got a post of it.
Speaker 2: My pops got one in his house.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 28: It was crazy because you know, I remember, I remember
Speaker 28: like it was yesterday. It was in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 28: It was a low scoring game too, so like both
Speaker 28: teams was kind of struggling a little bit, and Brad
Speaker 28: caught a time out and he like, we settling too
Speaker 28: much for jumpers, you know, let's let's try to get one.
Speaker 28: Let's try to get to the fire line, attack the rim.
Speaker 28: So I remember Smart had the ball out comes the
Speaker 28: pin down for me and he was like, jac you
Speaker 28: get it, you know, attack down here to make a
Speaker 28: play for yourself for somebody else. So I remember, I
Speaker 28: got it, and I turned the corner and it's like
Speaker 28: everything kind of slowed down for a second because I
Speaker 28: seen Brian.
Speaker 10: I'm like, oh, it's like I gotta.
Speaker 28: Try to dunk it, because if I didn't think I
Speaker 28: was on dunk him. I was like, let me just
Speaker 28: try to dunk it. Hopefully I get the foul or something.
Speaker 28: So I'm like, oh, so like the first for like
Speaker 28: five seconds, everything slowed down and as soon as I jumped.
Speaker 28: As soon as I jumped, it was like and then
Speaker 28: I'm coming down on the ground and I don't I
Speaker 28: don't know why, but I bumped him and I yelled
Speaker 28: in his face and I remember looking at it.
Speaker 10: I loved it.
Speaker 28: He's after I bumped him, he looked at me like,
Speaker 28: I'm like, oh, let me get back on defense.
Speaker 10: That wasn't look though, it looked like, oh oh, this
Speaker 10: motherfucker is for real.
Speaker 4: That was a looking round how dare you? But there's
Speaker 4: a look a little bit of respecting that look too,
Speaker 4: Like this little motherfucker came to Hope Man for sure.
Speaker 4: And then you know, after that season, he gave you
Speaker 4: one of the you know, the best compliments you can
Speaker 4: get is you know you're built for stardom. He saw
Speaker 4: the star in you. Obviously throughout the season, especially in
Speaker 4: that in that playoff series. And what did that mean
Speaker 4: to you to kind of be stamped by arguably one
Speaker 4: of the greatest players of all time.
Speaker 10: He gave me, I mean a problem.
Speaker 16: Mm hmm.
Speaker 28: Yeah, Like like you said, you know, I when I
Speaker 28: when I stepped on the floor, like, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I never back down from anybody.
Speaker 28: I tell myself like when I step on the floor,
Speaker 28: like I'm the best player out here.
Speaker 2: Like That's how I approach it.
Speaker 28: But like I still I understand, like Lebron is what
Speaker 28: he means the basketball and what he means the players
Speaker 28: like myself, and you know, just basketball in general, like
Speaker 28: what he's done so much for the game. So to
Speaker 28: get that, you know, that nine from him, it's a
Speaker 28: big deal. You know, you you you appreciate that. How
Speaker 28: many back boys have you shot it?
Speaker 8: Just one?
Speaker 14: I brought a lot of rims, just shot at one
Speaker 14: boy at the right time, at the right time of
Speaker 14: the turnament.
Speaker 2: At the right time. Man.
Speaker 14: Talk about that, my man. Jason Sassi bro shout out
Speaker 14: to Jay Sass his nephew Marcus is a hell of
Speaker 14: a player. Place at the University of Houston, Marcus Sas
Speaker 14: his nephew, my man J Martin point guard from Inglewood.
Speaker 2: Uh, he hit, he hit jail on you at Jason. Yeah, bro,
Speaker 2: I've been doing.
Speaker 4: J for over thirty years, shout out j Martin.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jay went.
Speaker 14: Hit hit hit sass in the post and Vince was
Speaker 14: guarding me. Antoine was garden sass and SaaS threw up
Speaker 14: the right jump hook. Vince went to go double one.
Speaker 14: I had a straight line right to the rim. Man
Speaker 14: just caught off a rebound and then the rest of
Speaker 14: his mother down too, and that actually tied the game up,
Speaker 14: like we was going back and forth, and I think
Speaker 14: that might have made it Sick Team is sixteen. They
Speaker 14: had had my man who want to see later on
Speaker 14: the night. They had Jeff McGinnis, they had Antoine, Jamison,
Speaker 14: Vince Carter, Sir s Quicker Shaman Williams.
Speaker 2: That Carolina team was strong. Yeah, KAA, dont you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 14: So they had a they had a strong, strong squad,
Speaker 14: and we had Tony Batti, myself, Saz j Mark, Corey Carr,
Speaker 14: uh Coy Smiths and they cool. We had we had
Speaker 14: a pretty tough squad too, but it was one of
Speaker 14: those things. Man, we're going back and forth. When that happened,
Speaker 14: we had to stop the game forty five minutes go
Speaker 14: watch the ice glass out out our back. We had
Speaker 14: to take showers and my man Corey came out, went
Speaker 14: on a three point barrage. Corey came out and hit
Speaker 14: like four straight threes. Man just opened the game up.
Speaker 14: We ended up winning by twenty ninety two to seventy three,
Speaker 14: and they drug tested me feverishly.
Speaker 4: Gotta be on something right.
Speaker 2: Everything came back clear is I was just on steak,
Speaker 2: milk and brocket.
Speaker 4: Frederick Wise jumped over a seven footer. What were you
Speaker 4: think you can that?
Speaker 24: Ship?
Speaker 4: You can't?
Speaker 10: So you know we're not. Yes, I don't want to
Speaker 10: short change that.
Speaker 13: He was seven to well, you know, ship talk ship,
Speaker 13: but when he turned his head it put him to.
Speaker 10: Seven feet, So it was he was legit seven feet.
Speaker 4: But so it happened.
Speaker 13: You know, when you're playing in the in the again,
Speaker 13: sometimes like shots are few and far between, and this
Speaker 13: is all depends if you're unless you roll him. But
Speaker 13: it was one of those things. He threw the ball
Speaker 13: behind his back. I get to steal while everybody running transition.
Speaker 2: I see it. I see the rip. I don't see him.
Speaker 10: I see the rip.
Speaker 13: So I said one two took a dribble, and I
Speaker 13: just I ain't paying attention to where I jumping from.
Speaker 13: So you know the paint is different than the NBA.
Speaker 4: It's different.
Speaker 13: It's yeah, it's wider. So in my mind, so when
Speaker 13: I jumped, I see him and all I remember, God's
Speaker 13: my witness. All I remember is touching his shoulder with
Speaker 13: my left arm. I'm focused on the rim because I
Speaker 13: thought I jumped too far. So in my mind, I'm
Speaker 13: thinking I'm about to get hung and make a spright
Speaker 13: commercial bro Like I jumped too far. But I was
Speaker 13: just trying to get up before the defense get back.
Speaker 13: You gotta pass it, set it up, blah blah blah.
Speaker 13: So I just attacked the rim. So when I jumped,
Speaker 13: I hit him. I ain't thinking about him, no, Moore,
Speaker 13: I thought he moved out of the way or he
Speaker 13: tried to take a charge.
Speaker 10: Of fell down. Because I remember the initial ball and
Speaker 10: that's it. I'm focused on the rim.
Speaker 13: So when I get so, if you go back and
Speaker 13: look at it, I stretch out because I'm reaching for
Speaker 13: the rim because I thought I was too far, but
Speaker 13: I ended up dunking the ball with my wrists because
Speaker 13: I was I actually had enough you know, flight time,
Speaker 13: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: I had some air mind, so I had enough.
Speaker 13: So when I hit the rim my cell, when I
Speaker 13: almost punched KG, I was celebrating that.
Speaker 10: I wasn't celebrating that jumped over because I didn't know that.
Speaker 10: That was my favorite.
Speaker 13: That was my favorite part of the Dog seeing you
Speaker 13: and KG was because us right, we were celebrating two
Speaker 13: totally different things.
Speaker 10: That was crazy.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, He's like yeah.
Speaker 13: I was like, yeah, But bro, I ain't know I
Speaker 13: jumped over buddy until after the game.
Speaker 10: Could you after the game?
Speaker 4: Not knowing you jumped over a seven footer? Seven to excuse?
Speaker 4: I mean whatever, I didn't know. So the rest of
Speaker 4: the game, nobody said a word. So I asked Steve Smith.
Speaker 4: I said, Smitty, how come you ain't saying nothing? Like
Speaker 4: nobody said nothing the rest of the game, and said, brother,
Speaker 4: we still didn't believe you just jumped over a person.
Speaker 4: Oh that means all right, that's fair. So after the game,
Speaker 4: Gary Payton Homeboy showed me on the camp quarter. That's
Speaker 4: when the little camp quarters just came out a little.
Speaker 13: Small man when Yeah, it just came out that summer
Speaker 13: and and that's I saw it. I watched it seven times.
Speaker 27: Like wait, what that shit is?
Speaker 10: Sick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, epic?
Speaker 13: Hey, I tried to jump over due six ' five
Speaker 13: later on in the season, like in the middle of season,
Speaker 13: couldn't do it.
Speaker 4: Almost died.
Speaker 10: Wow, almost killed both of us.
Speaker 2: That serious.
Speaker 4: Vince Carter comes in town second nineteen ninety eight, your
Speaker 4: second year comes and takes the league by storm. That's
Speaker 4: was that a rumor? Is that real life? Your cousin?
Speaker 29: We're cousins, okay, our grandmothers, our grandmothers are related.
Speaker 4: Okay to jumping as motherfuckers?
Speaker 30: What was it like?
Speaker 10: Nah, bro, that's that's next level.
Speaker 2: You did that.
Speaker 10: That's next level jumping ability right there.
Speaker 2: And what this man used to do?
Speaker 29: I mean, stat you say you played against the high
Speaker 29: school y'all played against the ice school.
Speaker 10: No, but I seen him. I've seen him live in
Speaker 10: high school one.
Speaker 29: So before I knew we were cousins, I played on
Speaker 29: junior team Florida and he was on the other older team.
Speaker 29: He played before me. I played before him, and when
Speaker 29: I so, yeah, this is this is before I knew
Speaker 29: we was related. I will play first and then our
Speaker 29: team and sit and watch.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 10: I Man, I ain't know a human can jump like this.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 29: This man was going up pulling the ball, looking in
Speaker 29: the basket and was just dropping it like that. He
Speaker 29: was going up damn there, touching the backboard and just
Speaker 29: dropping the ball like this.
Speaker 10: I'm like, oh my god, skilled, crazy.
Speaker 29: So I had a good relationship with our coach. I
Speaker 29: was like, Bro, we got to get Vince Carter. Bro,
Speaker 29: we got it good and he was the most skilled.
Speaker 29: And to have us too as two wings at that time, mean,
Speaker 29: it was crazy what we could do accomplished along.
Speaker 2: With the Vets what we had and we drafted vents man.
Speaker 10: Vince came in there and he was ship.
Speaker 2: He was doing was just unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 29: That windmill he did baseline against Indiana on Oh my god,
Speaker 29: Oh my god, that man.
Speaker 10: He had us jumping. He had us jumping out of
Speaker 10: our seats.
Speaker 29: We were fans, so I can only imagine how some
Speaker 29: of the dudes felt that playing against me and some
Speaker 29: of the ship I was.
Speaker 10: I was a fan. I know that was my cousin,
Speaker 10: my teammate.
Speaker 2: God damn it.
Speaker 10: I was a fan bro.
Speaker 2: He was in rad Over that ship.
Speaker 31: Was incredible to see what he was doing. Man, it
Speaker 31: was the first time for everything.
Speaker 4: So like it's anyone, did anyone dunk on you that season?
Speaker 4: You get dunked on by anybody?
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's a shot, he's a shot blocker.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, That's why I know he'd be going
Speaker 4: up in contested. That's why I'm saying. It's only you know,
Speaker 4: it's a matter of time. You go block enough, but
Speaker 4: you're gonna ge dunked on too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Probably it's probably something I can't. I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't remember them.
Speaker 4: It's hard for me to remember him.
Speaker 31: And I ain't even bullshit because I really would say,
Speaker 31: I really really because I do block a lot.
Speaker 4: So it is going to happen.
Speaker 8: But when it happens, it just like I just be,
Speaker 8: I'll be forgetting it.
Speaker 10: Ain't it can't be old.
Speaker 4: I mean I don't even want to sure enough.
Speaker 32: I mean.
Speaker 31: Belicia, Belicia Ductum.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: See it's the what you wouldn't expect. It's not the
Speaker 4: hind Flowers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: In the Sacramento I banged on him the first half.
Speaker 31: I went left, banged on him, talking crazy my bench,
Speaker 31: I'm talking crazy.
Speaker 10: And then in the.
Speaker 4: Fourth quarter, you know what, I'm down.
Speaker 31: Then it gives me the whole crowd remembers and they're
Speaker 31: going crazy.
Speaker 2: And then I got subbed out.
Speaker 31: Right then, I'm like, that's the worst. It was an
Speaker 31: one oh, and you got supped out. I got subbed
Speaker 31: out for like, that's the worst nine minutes. I got
Speaker 31: supped out so long that they put me in to
Speaker 31: like be on the ball at the end of the game.
Speaker 31: Like I got subbed out for a minute that game randomly,
Speaker 31: Like I was like, man, like, damn, but where that
Speaker 31: shot I remember.
Speaker 10: I think that's why I remember that.
Speaker 8: That one was weird.
Speaker 5: You average twenty ten right at the gate? Yo, I
Speaker 5: was twenty one, yeah at the gate? Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: Well that year. What do you think was your welcome
Speaker 5: to the NBA moment, m J.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna say, we're gonna stark calling me.
Speaker 17: Yeah, it was when he dumped on me. He dumped
Speaker 17: on me, screamed, he flexed his scream. I was like,
Speaker 17: Manna blocked a bunch of shots, you know, he came on.
Speaker 17: It was like, I mean, the roar after he dunked
Speaker 17: on me. Man I was like, okay, at home or Chicago.
Speaker 2: I was at home. He got good.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm blaming Kingdom Guild for that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Was always talking talking ship to Mike and I'm like Mike,
Speaker 2: I'm like you, He's gonna blow past you. He coming
Speaker 2: at me, Yeah, go at me.
Speaker 5: You played at raindo beach Hied produced a number players
Speaker 5: such as Doug Christi, Nate Robinson, Kevin Port, and Deontay Mary.
Speaker 2: Who are your teammates? You any stories around the time
Speaker 2: when he was playing there?
Speaker 33: Nate Nate was my the one I played with. So
Speaker 33: Deui was ten years ahead of us, and then Nate
Speaker 33: was in the same era as me. So I was
Speaker 33: a senior, he was a freshman, and Nate was the
Speaker 33: same way he is right now, Like six in the morning,
Speaker 33: six in the morning, condition everybody like, man, what were
Speaker 33: we doing here? Nate's up there, laughing, getting everybody in trouble,
Speaker 33: running around acting the food. So I remember one game.
Speaker 33: I remember one game Nate threw me a live and
Speaker 33: it was it was a badass lib. It ain't the
Speaker 33: way I should have caught it, but you know, sometimes
Speaker 33: you throw the bad live that created the best jumps
Speaker 33: and so he threw the lib. I had to stretch
Speaker 33: all the way back and I got it in this
Speaker 33: like I thought I was gonna fall forward. I just
Speaker 33: felt all off found. But I dumped it and Nate
Speaker 33: was laughing like I set you up ball, you know, Nate, and.
Speaker 2: I was I was like, damn, I did that.
Speaker 33: Man, I feel like I did a summer so I
Speaker 33: ain't never doing that again. So I just think I
Speaker 33: kept my game on the ground. After that, I was like, man,
Speaker 33: I'm cool, You're crazy.
Speaker 14: Dog.
Speaker 5: Nate is a proud a food man, a food full
Speaker 5: time walking muscle.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, he don't get hurt. He brought a
Speaker 2: new muscle.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you all the time, if anybody could have
Speaker 5: played football, it's Nate.
Speaker 2: Motherfucking ass so stack he was.
Speaker 33: He was basketball player, State Player the Year his senior year,
Speaker 33: football state player of the Year, and own the record
Speaker 33: for the hurdles and track all the same year. Like
Speaker 33: he really could have did anything he wanted to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's one of the greatest athletes ever ever ever
Speaker 4: by far.
Speaker 30: Me and Kobe had issues because hell, he older than me.
Speaker 30: I'm young's you got two alpha males. I'm a young
Speaker 30: when he old, when he won his way, and I'm shit,
Speaker 30: I'm happy, go lucky, and I don't want my way,
Speaker 30: but in a happy way. I'm having fun, Like shouldn't
Speaker 30: give me the ball, I'm gonna go dunk on this nigga.
Speaker 30: But we just didn't have a chance to really build it,
Speaker 30: build it like we wanted to, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 30: And it wasn't meant to happen, you know, looking back
Speaker 30: on it, and I wish it happened, but it wasn't
Speaker 30: meant to happen.
Speaker 4: To the relationship with him, you know, I got a
Speaker 4: chance to play with him and know his mindset and
Speaker 4: know how he moved. But then got a chance to
Speaker 4: play with you and know how you're serious but you
Speaker 4: could smile and laugh and he's not like.
Speaker 10: That at all.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk to us about that. And was there it
Speaker 4: ever an understanding or what was it like working with him?
Speaker 4: Because you only got a year with him.
Speaker 30: I don't think it was the understanding that we could
Speaker 30: have that we could should have. Yeah, with time, because
Speaker 30: there was so many expectations and I'm going through my
Speaker 30: own ship with trying to recover from this back surgery
Speaker 30: and then tear my labor room. And it's like, man,
Speaker 30: how do I deal with somebody that I grew up
Speaker 30: watching as a child. But now we teammates. We just
Speaker 30: played each other in the finals, right literally, so like
Speaker 30: we got this rivalry, like I want to beat his ass,
Speaker 30: but now we teammates. It was like, Ship, I can't
Speaker 30: do that no more. Uh, but it's Kobe Bryant. You
Speaker 30: know what I'm saying. He don't know I want to
Speaker 30: get his ass back.
Speaker 4: He dunked on you, tough bro, Ship, I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: You really had to do all that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that was that was That was for real.
Speaker 4: That was one of the one. But for real, you
Speaker 4: didn't got other people, but for real, that was one
Speaker 4: of the ones.
Speaker 2: The whole time he was over here, laid back.
Speaker 10: Yeah you know, oh he talked on you and Ship, that.
Speaker 4: Was that was one of the one. You didn't pay
Speaker 4: people back on a hundred times worse, but that was one.
Speaker 2: Of the ones. He did.
Speaker 4: I see it now.
Speaker 2: He dumped out of my ass.
Speaker 30: But I was young, and really I was what happened
Speaker 30: was I didn't think he was gonna dunk because I
Speaker 30: ain't know he was. I ain't know the rookie year
Speaker 30: of second It was my rookie year, so I thought
Speaker 30: he was finna come over and do like a pull
Speaker 30: up on the last I was that was eight Kobe.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so you he was dunking everything. I didn't know
Speaker 11: until he found out he was dunking everything. He split
Speaker 11: It was Pat Garret and Deshaun Stevens. He split the
Speaker 11: pick a roll and I jump over, come through like
Speaker 11: that like I was gone. I don't know what the
Speaker 11: funk I was seeing. And so then I closed my
Speaker 11: eyes too, and all I heard was booming.
Speaker 4: Oh, I said, oh.
Speaker 30: So then uh, Brian Grant Uh, he said, welcome to
Speaker 30: the league, young fella.
Speaker 2: I said, oh shit, Kobe got me.
Speaker 30: And then right after that, my homeboy, it was my birthday,
Speaker 30: so he made a cake with Kobe dunking on me.
Speaker 30: Everywhere I was at I got seeing the picture of
Speaker 30: Kobe dunking on me, and it was like.
Speaker 2: Me and Kobe always there's some bullshit. We always been connected.
Speaker 2: Every picture out of the seat, I'm in.
Speaker 30: The background, like, fuck you, Kobe dunking the ass.
Speaker 2: Now I'm in all your pictures in the back like
Speaker 2: but yeah, man, rest of.
Speaker 4: You had that one dunk on old boys at Kansas. Yeah, charge,
Speaker 4: I was probably one of the worst.
Speaker 2: Right here.
Speaker 4: That was what do you see when you see young
Speaker 4: kd right here?
Speaker 10: What do you think Will used to fly?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I used to. I used to get off, to really
Speaker 10: get up in the air.
Speaker 34: They called that a charge. The dude didn't fall anything
Speaker 34: like that. But it's Kansas and Lawrence. You know they're
Speaker 34: gonna cheat. Who is that thirty two who never been
Speaker 34: heard from this shanty Johnson or something like that. I
Speaker 34: don't want to butcher the brothers.
Speaker 4: Look, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: I was like, you trying to.
Speaker 10: See if we go to the league.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: How long did it take Kareem to adjust to what
Speaker 4: you were selling?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 21: It took him all season that first year. First of all,
Speaker 21: they thought I was coming in to take over the team,
Speaker 21: and I told him on first day of training camp,
Speaker 21: I said, listen, man, I'm here to help you.
Speaker 8: I said, where do you like the ball?
Speaker 2: He said what?
Speaker 8: I said, what do you like the ball?
Speaker 2: I said, you like it high?
Speaker 8: You like it in the middle of your chest. You
Speaker 8: like it low?
Speaker 21: He said, no, I like it high. I said, that's
Speaker 21: where it'll be every single time. I said, I'm here
Speaker 21: to help you be more successful. So that first game,
Speaker 21: he hits a sky hook from the free throw line,
Speaker 21: now not from down low, from the free throw line
Speaker 21: to win the game in San Diego.
Speaker 2: So I go running.
Speaker 8: I jumped, and I'm hold choking them and hugging them.
Speaker 21: And I didn't let go for about two or three
Speaker 21: minutes because I've never seen a shot like that game,
Speaker 21: when a shot like that, So he got me to
Speaker 21: the locker room, rookie, come here, don't.
Speaker 10: Ever do that.
Speaker 8: We have eighty one more games to go. We can't
Speaker 8: be this high after game one.
Speaker 21: So all the players now are looking so now I
Speaker 21: gotta make a condition.
Speaker 8: That's right.
Speaker 21: So everybody's looking at me in the locker room, like
Speaker 21: what you're gonna do, rookie. So I turned around, said,
Speaker 21: you hit a shot like that eighty.
Speaker 2: One more time. You know he taller than me.
Speaker 21: I'm gonna jump in your arms eighty one more time.
Speaker 21: And that showed him that I wasn't gonna change. You
Speaker 21: can't intimidate me, and I wasn't gonna change. I'm gonna
Speaker 21: be who I am while I let you be who
Speaker 21: you are. So them first fifty games. You know, all
Speaker 21: the other fellas. We high five and chest bump and
Speaker 21: we having fun. He would score just one down, we scored.
Speaker 21: We hot each other, show about it. Right when the
Speaker 21: playoffs started, he did a hard dunk on somebody, so
Speaker 21: he came out looking for somebody.
Speaker 2: He wanted.
Speaker 21: We were like, oh, so it was a beautiful thing man,
Speaker 21: to see him enjoy hisself. So what did he say
Speaker 21: to me? Just recently at the we had to Showtime
Speaker 21: reunion in Hawaii? He said, Irvin, you showed me that
Speaker 21: I could show my emotion and enjoy it.
Speaker 2: The game you changed me.
Speaker 5: Give me your five your list of your five most
Speaker 5: ferocious dunkers of all time.
Speaker 6: Man said Daryl Dawkins. You know, people forget about chocolate, chocolate,
Speaker 6: and he was naming and dunk. He was dunking the
Speaker 6: break breaking back boys, and you never really heard about it.
Speaker 27: But Dryl Dawkins, doctor Duncanstein.
Speaker 6: Not Duncan Steyn or Terrence Stansbury, A lot of these
Speaker 6: old guys, but these are the guys I used to
Speaker 6: watch dunk and and basketball. David Thompson. David Thompson was
Speaker 6: one of the baddest, coldest donkeys.
Speaker 2: Ever, he.
Speaker 6: Was glad from the freak dunk in the sideways dunk
Speaker 6: two balls at one time. Come on, man, absolutely, absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 6: you know. You know I realized that I could jump
Speaker 6: in high school when I could touch the top of
Speaker 6: the back boys. Yeah, once I could do that off
Speaker 6: a vertical leap. And my coach would have this drill
Speaker 6: where I would have to do a drop step, touch
Speaker 6: the back board, top the top of the backboard. One
Speaker 6: of the other supposed to drop step, touch the top
Speaker 6: of the backboard again, so you have to do this
Speaker 6: consecutive times, man. And like I said, it was just
Speaker 6: it was great. It just made me strong. Absolutely did
Speaker 6: you did you get it?
Speaker 4: Uh huh besides yourself there?
Speaker 6: Oh, and I'm gonna say, uh Shack, No, I mean
Speaker 6: Shack is you know shock Shack is a different beast.
Speaker 6: Dominique Dominique Wilkins. Man, Domini Dominique Wilkins. If you if
Speaker 6: you watch me dunk, you gotta you gotta see a
Speaker 6: little Dominique insign me. I was one of them young
Speaker 6: kids that was watching the TVs who were doing Yeah yeah, man,
Speaker 6: we said it was like Dominicq Wilkie show. You know,
Speaker 6: ship Dominice got thats curl up in his head. Let's
Speaker 6: go watch Dominique Wilkins man and so absolutely Dominicque Wilkins.
Speaker 4: But I got a chance to play against him though, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: how cold was he? Man?
Speaker 6: He was a cold and I'm gonna tell you all
Speaker 6: this man, Dominique was so cold when he towards the Chilles.
Speaker 6: He still came back dropping fifties and forties on people.
Speaker 6: People forget that.
Speaker 4: I got a chance to play with Chris Paul and
Speaker 4: was a part of Lop City, and just seeing Blake
Speaker 4: and DeAndre and the ship they used to do used
Speaker 4: to awe me. But you arguably played with one of
Speaker 4: the best dunkers of all time in Sean Kemp. All
Speaker 4: you had to do is throw that shit out in
Speaker 4: the atmosphere. I motherfucker's gonna come catching and dunk on somebody. Shit.
Speaker 35: Man, that was the greatest feeling ever man, because men
Speaker 35: and me and Sean always had a thank for the
Speaker 35: thing to say. He'd be like, oh, and once as
Speaker 35: soon as I steal the ball, he'll be come behind me.
Speaker 10: He be like, WHOA, And I know you there, and.
Speaker 36: I just throw that thing up and I might sometimes
Speaker 36: I might sometimes miss, well I'm throwing the ball, but
Speaker 36: he'll come flying man, Braddy thanking or Bob and then
Speaker 36: you know how he at the food.
Speaker 10: He started pointing at people in how you know how
Speaker 10: he get to do it all?
Speaker 2: Listen?
Speaker 37: You know, So it was at the fund with him, man,
Speaker 37: because he made it entertaining when he dunk on you
Speaker 37: and then they'll be coming and slapping him high five.
Speaker 37: I was like, may y'all crazy, the mother, y'all, just
Speaker 37: y'all on a highlight film. Man, y'all on sports Center
Speaker 37: because you know, we had the top the top ten
Speaker 37: sports center there at that.
Speaker 10: Time, because we used to run home to see.
Speaker 37: Who made the top ten and the sports center and
Speaker 37: you know, we used to go to Man and you know,
Speaker 37: we used to go to foot locker and you can
Speaker 37: get a poster with you getting dunked on too, So
Speaker 37: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So that was called.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Every era of the NBA had as those those stars,
Speaker 15: those personalities, those talents that that you wonder, are we
Speaker 15: ever going to see this again? Because I can remember
Speaker 15: I can remember watching Michael and Niek have some unbelievable,
Speaker 15: you know battles. You know, and both of them coming
Speaker 15: up with stuff. He said, man, I'll never see somebody
Speaker 15: do that in mid air again. And then here comes Kobe, here,
Speaker 15: here comes so many guys who were you know, the
Speaker 15: things that dropped your jaw back then, Evince, Yeah, you
Speaker 15: were saying, we're seeing that. Yeah, and you're seeing it
Speaker 15: on a nightly basis. You're seeing it in February games.
Speaker 15: You're seeing a guy come up and do something and
Speaker 15: how did that go in? And and there was a
Speaker 15: time you thought I'll never see anybody do that, and
Speaker 15: now you see it a lot, and and just the
Speaker 15: athleticism in the league has I don't know where it
Speaker 15: goes from here, guys, I mean, I don't. You see
Speaker 15: so many things on a nightly basis that really defy description,
Speaker 15: but you kind of get used to seeing them.
Speaker 4: Now we're spoiled. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I think
Speaker 4: it's I mean, to me, the dunk contest is so
Speaker 4: hard because what can you really do from here? I
Speaker 4: mean with Zach Lavine and Aaron Gordon and Vince and
Speaker 4: all these dunks, like you've got to almost kill yourself
Speaker 4: to do something amazing. And then, like you said, too,
Speaker 4: now we're seeing some of these Challenge competition dunks in games. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're getting it off in games. You're like, what the hell, Like,
Speaker 4: what is Vince Carter out here doing? Yeah, no, that's
Speaker 4: and that I think.
Speaker 15: You know, the Vince in Oakland in two thousand, that
Speaker 15: was my favorite because it's the first time I ever
Speaker 15: heard an arena at All Star Weekend sound like a
Speaker 15: playoff game. I mean when Vince did his thing and
Speaker 15: did it all on the first try, right right, and
Speaker 15: he did it so so effortlessly, the building erupted. It
Speaker 15: was like somebody had hit a game winner.
Speaker 4: And you know, and.
Speaker 15: From that height, you know that now you've had Yeah,
Speaker 15: you mentioned Aaron Gordon and Zach Lavine. I mean, they
Speaker 15: came up with some great stuff. But what is I mean,
Speaker 15: what can you do anymore than nobody has ever seen?
Speaker 15: It's all just kind of a little variation, a little
Speaker 15: spin off of that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 15: And if you say, wait, that was pretty original, I said, no, really,
Speaker 15: that looked like what he did in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4: Are you believe you changed the dunk contest forever? Now
Speaker 4: we can talk about Mike's dunk from the free throw
Speaker 4: line and all the dunks in the history, but you
Speaker 4: came in and did some shit we had never seen.
Speaker 4: I remember, I've been fucking study hall at UCLA and
Speaker 4: the dunk contest is coming on. So somehow I got
Speaker 4: the fucking lady to bring a TV and study hall
Speaker 4: and we watched you in Oracle Arena change the dunk
Speaker 4: contest forever. How did you? I mean, you did dunks
Speaker 4: we never seen? Did you prep? How did you know
Speaker 4: what you were gonna do? Talk to us about that.
Speaker 13: So leading up to it, first of all, all it
Speaker 13: took the Act of Congress to get tam Mac to
Speaker 13: do it because he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 10: People don't know that, Like he put on the hell
Speaker 10: of a show himself and he did not want to
Speaker 10: do it.
Speaker 4: Who else in that dunk contest? People, that was a
Speaker 4: good dunk count It was Ricky Davis, see Frankie stack House.
Speaker 4: I'm forgetting. That's That's all the way that I can
Speaker 4: think of right now. That's it was crazy and Tam
Speaker 4: Mac and and him, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 13: But I was just like, bro, we could go ahead
Speaker 13: and put to run on the map, and you know,
Speaker 13: we could show what we could do because like we
Speaker 13: fooled around, like we were fooling around with different stuff.
Speaker 13: I remember in San Antonio at a practice one day,
Speaker 13: we were just going crazy, throwing the ball all over
Speaker 13: the gym off one bounce and just doing crazy stuff,
Speaker 13: just trying to figure stuff out. So we had an
Speaker 13: awful trip there. Our car didn't pick us up on time,
Speaker 13: so we missed our practice leading up to the contest,
Speaker 13: so we never got the practice. Our practice was the
Speaker 13: layup line or whatever, the warm up line right before
Speaker 13: this contest started, so we never got the practice.
Speaker 10: And my rootie that I was gonna do.
Speaker 13: I saw all these people man and sitting around you
Speaker 13: see all the stars and everything, and I was all
Speaker 13: of us bro I was like this, this routine is
Speaker 13: not good enough. So I scrapped all of that in
Speaker 13: the layup line. It took I was so hype. It
Speaker 13: took me everything not to do my dunk routine in
Speaker 13: the layup line. I was just so hyped, like I've
Speaker 13: been looking for fly, just fly, that's it. I'm ready
Speaker 13: to show everybody what I could do. Like I take
Speaker 13: for all my high school and in middle school. I
Speaker 13: didn't care about watching Sunday the All Star game. I
Speaker 13: just wanted to tape and watch the gunk contest on Saturday,
Speaker 13: and I'm like, bro, I'm finally here.
Speaker 10: I ain't about to blow this, but I'm about to
Speaker 10: go ham. So when I got out there, I saw
Speaker 10: all these people, man, and my energy and my drilling
Speaker 10: was on ten thousand, bro, So I scrapped it.
Speaker 13: And so I was just trying to figure out what
Speaker 13: to do. So that first dunk, the reverse three sixty,
Speaker 13: I had tried, o God, So I tried that dunk
Speaker 13: and barely made it when I was practicing. So I
Speaker 13: originally I had scrapped that already. But when I got
Speaker 13: out there, I saw all these people and I saw
Speaker 13: Towrn there. I was like, bro, watch this, what are
Speaker 13: you about to do?
Speaker 30: I was like, you walked into that motherfucker perfect too, right,
Speaker 30: we just walked into that mother plane.
Speaker 5: Hey.
Speaker 10: But I was just so I was so hyped.
Speaker 14: So that's why.
Speaker 13: So if you notice, remember when I dunked the ball,
Speaker 13: boom and go through, and I was so hyped my
Speaker 13: second bounce, I probably could have did a windmill, you know,
Speaker 13: Like I was just so high because I had never
Speaker 13: accomplished that dunk like that before but that was all.
Speaker 4: Adrenaline, that was all the dread motherfucker. Oh yeah.
Speaker 10: So every in between every dunk, I was just old,
Speaker 10: just like just trying to figure out what next, what next?
Speaker 10: What's what next?
Speaker 13: So I did the one step one eighty windmal but
Speaker 13: I wanted to show everybody, like, you know, you didn't
Speaker 13: see many people jumping the other way, And I talked myself, right,
Speaker 13: So I had taught myself how to jump the dude
Speaker 13: the reverse three sixty and just practiced practice practice until
Speaker 13: I got it to this day, Like if you asked
Speaker 13: me to do a dunk, I would do a reverse
Speaker 13: three sixty before I do the regular.
Speaker 10: Because I cannot. I can't go the other way anymore,
Speaker 10: like I can't, I can't, I can't. Just makes no
Speaker 10: sense of me.
Speaker 4: It's so it's crazy you get lost in your old
Speaker 4: age the other way.
Speaker 13: I get lost, absolutely, but I can't do it, like
Speaker 13: I'll barely make it. So that's why I wanted to
Speaker 13: show just obviously going against the grain, obviously a full
Speaker 13: extended windmill blah blah blah whatever. And I didn't even
Speaker 13: know if I was gonna get that high, but whatever.
Speaker 13: So with the one adi dug. I wanted to show
Speaker 13: that I could take one step out of the baseline
Speaker 13: sar to the front of the rim while doing the
Speaker 13: extended windmill and boom throw it through.
Speaker 10: So I didn't get it.
Speaker 13: I didn't get intention for Kenny Smith, you know, which
Speaker 13: kind of bothered me. Hey yeah, but he was like, oh,
Speaker 13: you set the bar too high. Well walking on the court.
Speaker 13: That's the last thing. That's the last thing I said
Speaker 13: to myself before my first dunk, I said, show up
Speaker 13: or show out, And that used to be our terminology
Speaker 13: in the band before. You know, obviously in the South,
Speaker 13: the band is huge, so we're gonna show up and
Speaker 13: show out. So I was like, you know, this is
Speaker 13: my chance to show the world my imagination and what
Speaker 13: I be thinking about in my head when it.
Speaker 10: Comes to done.
Speaker 4: What is your favorite All Star moment?
Speaker 26: Favorite All Star moment vents sitting on the floor, believe
Speaker 26: it or not, I got that footage to y'all know, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 26: can't see it. Come see me, motherfuckers. Think y'all getting
Speaker 26: this ship for free. Y'all kissed my eyes right, going
Speaker 26: that ink holler right, But I got that. That was
Speaker 26: probably one of my favorite because all my friends. There's
Speaker 26: probably two couple of rolls and we got to see that,
Speaker 26: and it was the first time the world got to
Speaker 26: really see Vents like we knew Vents in high school,
Speaker 26: grew up with Da da YadA, and for him to
Speaker 26: like put that on display like that and just give
Speaker 26: us some unbelievable A lot of people don't know Tracy
Speaker 26: and Steve too. Stacy and Stevens on that too, you
Speaker 26: know what I'm saying. That was one of the better
Speaker 26: before Zach and Gordon.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: That was probably my favorite. That was probably my favorite.
Speaker 10: Uh dunk I test some time.
Speaker 26: But out of all the stuff, men, I've always been
Speaker 26: able to pull some out of each All Star Game.
Speaker 26: One of my favorites was coming out.
Speaker 10: I was getting ready to.
Speaker 26: I was leaving the All Star Game and I had
Speaker 26: a bag of stuff and I was coming out and
Speaker 26: Craig Sager needed an interview for his clothes out and
Speaker 26: I didn't want to do it, and I was trying to,
Speaker 26: you know, we didn't hit back. Look like you know,
Speaker 26: like you know how you play shadow. He's trying to
Speaker 26: get by somebody. I'm like, trade what you're doing. I
Speaker 26: gotta catch my plane.
Speaker 10: Get the fuck out.
Speaker 26: Here, YadA ya dah. So my assistant shout the bill.
Speaker 26: I call him shitty. I threw shitty the bag and said, yo, shitt.
Speaker 26: He takes this to the planet and I'm trying to
Speaker 26: get out, and he said, Yo, just give me two sagas.
Speaker 10: I need an hour.
Speaker 26: I said, get the fuck out of my way, and
Speaker 26: I kind of pushed him, you know, I kind of
Speaker 26: gave him some whatever, and he was like, man, I
Speaker 26: saw how he lost it on. Man, fuck it, come on,
Speaker 26: and and I was I'm just gonna say whatever I
Speaker 26: want to say. Okay, just give me this. I just
Speaker 26: need thirty seconds to get out of okay, okay, okay
Speaker 26: and go. And then I saw what he had on.
Speaker 26: I looked and I said, hold on, hold on. So look,
Speaker 26: you know, I never try to go at you, right, like,
Speaker 26: what the fuck? Like really, what the fuck is this dog?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 2: Really you came to the game like this dog?
Speaker 10: And he was trying to get the interview.
Speaker 26: I was like, nah, fuck all that lo no burn,
Speaker 26: all this ship, everything, the green thron to all this
Speaker 26: and all of it, yo, and kind of gave him
Speaker 26: a little sound about you and say it what up?
Speaker 26: But and then got out of that and I turned
Speaker 26: around and I was like, gave me shot.
Speaker 4: So you went five dunk contests, one, two, the Home
Speaker 4: Cooking you should have won three the Home cooking and
Speaker 4: eighty eight for Chicago when Mike won his What were
Speaker 4: those what were those dunk contents? You know that's back
Speaker 4: when the stars the best player.
Speaker 10: We wanted to know who the best was.
Speaker 2: I don't think I want to know.
Speaker 16: Who the They're scared enough, they scared to lose, you.
Speaker 7: Know, they're afraid to look. I think it's gonna you know,
Speaker 7: interfare with your legacy or whatever. The fact that they're
Speaker 7: still talking about Jordan and Michael dunk contest.
Speaker 10: Thirty five years Lateacy tell you his greatest.
Speaker 7: Dunk contest, right, because you had great players going head
Speaker 7: up and that one in Chicago was that was that
Speaker 7: was a great dunk contest. And it was funny because
Speaker 7: after he said, Nick, you know you know you want,
Speaker 7: I know you want in Chicago. What can I say?
Speaker 7: I said, well, take you give me the twenty five Grandy.
Speaker 7: But it's about two years ago.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 7: I went to greet him and his wife and were
Speaker 7: sitting at the table and I went to say hello,
Speaker 7: he said, you know, you want that dunk contest, that said, how.
Speaker 8: Are you doing, Mike?
Speaker 10: You're doing good.
Speaker 7: But the fact that you know, he acknowledged that a
Speaker 7: few times.
Speaker 2: Man, it's it's special. So for me, it isn't about.
Speaker 7: Who want to a loss, you know, competitive because it
Speaker 7: speaks to your greatness man, you know. And we never
Speaker 7: talked about it. We never talked about who won or lost.
Speaker 7: It was kind of unspoken rule with us.
Speaker 4: But she was doing dunk contest, dunks and.
Speaker 2: Games, well, he would both of us.
Speaker 7: None of us ever went, you know, when we were
Speaker 7: going to dunk contest, never went to a gym doing
Speaker 7: some stuff. And I never practiced those dunks, not once.
Speaker 7: Some of the dunks I thought as the contest went on,
Speaker 7: like the one I threw off the glass when of
Speaker 7: the gott women. I've never done that one before. I
Speaker 7: just knew, I said, with jumping a billy, if you
Speaker 7: catch it right hard, yeah, this dunk the hall as
Speaker 7: you can, you know. And so I never worked on
Speaker 7: that stuff, and neither did he.
Speaker 10: Neither did he.
Speaker 5: I would love to see y'all having one on one
Speaker 5: to talk about like magic and uh Isaiah did. I'd
Speaker 5: love to see you and Mike, because you might be
Speaker 5: the person gave Mike the most work in his career.
Speaker 4: We went at it.
Speaker 7: I know that we went at it, you know, and
Speaker 7: the thing that we have so much respect for on
Speaker 7: it one thing that's what I love about it. One
Speaker 7: thing he said, Man, and I looked at it. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 7: he actually believed that. He said, you know, when I
Speaker 7: was going against Nick, he said Nick was amazing. I
Speaker 7: just tried to be as amazing. And I said special. Wow,
Speaker 7: that's pretty special what he said. You know, every but
Speaker 7: it just showed me that how special our relationship was,
Speaker 7: you know, as competitors.
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety four Slam Duck Chim the East Bay funk
Speaker 4: is born.
Speaker 32: Talk to me about that, bro, I've been doing that dunk.
Speaker 32: It's like ninth grade, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 32: was doing that dunk ninth grade. So it was just
Speaker 32: something from from from wayback for me. Everybody was doing
Speaker 32: Dominique Jordan's, you know, doing they dunks. So you know,
Speaker 32: one day I tried and got close, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 32: I'm gonna have that, and then I had it in
Speaker 32: like a week.
Speaker 8: So I was doing like people that know me.
Speaker 2: Go old school with me, that went to school with me.
Speaker 32: Know, I've been doing that done since like fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 32: you know what I mean, the Boys Club dunk contest
Speaker 32: Chris Mulin when he played for the Warrior judge the
Speaker 32: dunk contest. When I was a youngster at the Boys Club,
Speaker 32: I did that dunk. But with that being said, I
Speaker 32: just kept it going, brought it to college. You know,
Speaker 32: I freaked it in college and want to college dunk contest,
Speaker 32: and they was like, okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 32: And then you know when I got to the NBA stage,
Speaker 32: obviously went to a tremendous level.
Speaker 2: Man, that's just old school. That's that neighborhood stuff, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean you was.
Speaker 4: Going, you was going between the legs and you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, like you said in high school and
Speaker 4: then in the pros you did it. What do you
Speaker 4: think about the creativity? So, you know to this point,
Speaker 4: because all these dunks have been done, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, So you got to come with some crazy
Speaker 4: shit now to make away. But these kids are coming
Speaker 4: with that crazy shit and making a way. What are
Speaker 4: your thoughts on it? Being a former slam dunk Chip.
Speaker 32: So I won't lie right since ninety three, right, people
Speaker 32: have been going between land was Cob and Vince Bron
Speaker 32: you know, go Ran had been. But the other dudes,
Speaker 32: you know, was going between the legs. And I was like, man,
Speaker 32: this is crazy, Jay Rich and you know, I just
Speaker 32: this others. I was like, are you kidding me right now?
Speaker 32: I mean, these dudes, we're doing some crazy stuff, man,
Speaker 32: and still doing crazy stuff. So to me, the evolution
Speaker 32: of a dunk like, So I didn't practice dunks, you
Speaker 32: know what I mean, I didn't. I didn't you know,
Speaker 32: the first duncan sess the second. I didn't go out there.
Speaker 32: I didn't have no routine. I didn't know what I
Speaker 32: was gonna do. I didn't practice no dunks, you know
Speaker 32: what I mean. And even coming up in high school,
Speaker 32: you know, everybody had the bouncing ones and we dunked out,
Speaker 32: you know what I mean. Here On Minor used to
Speaker 32: go out it in high school and so we turned Yeah,
Speaker 32: we used to go out in high school. I mean
Speaker 32: it was Southern Cal in North Cal. We yeah, we
Speaker 32: had a rowing without getting said we in practice, we just.
Speaker 10: Went off the cuff.
Speaker 32: So now dudes is taken behind the back, taking you know,
Speaker 32: practice and looking at pro dunkers, taking getting the timing
Speaker 32: and getting advice from dudes, you know what I mean,
Speaker 32: and going in the lab and getting major dunks off,
Speaker 32: you know what I mean. So I just look at
Speaker 32: it like the evolution is incredible, man, I mean, just
Speaker 32: to go from a simple baseline between the legs to
Speaker 32: at the end of my dunk contest.
Speaker 2: So I used to throw it up too.
Speaker 32: In the end of my dunk contest, I'm talking to
Speaker 32: Sean Camp like me, they wanted to be doing more dunk.
Speaker 32: I'm like, man, I'm gonna throw it up, go off
Speaker 32: verge and going between the legs, and and Antonio David like, man,
Speaker 32: you're good. I'd like all right, So I went and
Speaker 32: did something else. With that being said, I look at
Speaker 32: it now, like, man, they going behind the back, off
Speaker 32: the backboard. It's incredible. Man, I'm in awe, you know
Speaker 32: what I mean when I see these dudes, you know
Speaker 32: what I mean? With that being said, Man, I think
Speaker 32: Aaron Aaron Gordon won the dunk contest.
Speaker 4: He's been getting robbed two times. Possibly, where did this
Speaker 4: bounce come from? And when did you know you could full?
Speaker 4: Because you could really fly in case you didn't know.
Speaker 24: Man, yeah, I mean sometimes, dog, I'm starting to get,
Speaker 24: you know, a little more tired now.
Speaker 6: But here we go.
Speaker 4: It's twenty five times.
Speaker 27: I'm just talking shit. I'm just talking. I'm just talking shit.
Speaker 10: You know, in high school.
Speaker 27: In high school it started.
Speaker 34: Man.
Speaker 24: You know, me and my dad did a lot of
Speaker 24: Plaier metrics. You know, we were on the Verde Max
Speaker 24: I was doing. I was doing lunches on the football
Speaker 24: field from one hundred yard line backwards eighty backwards. I
Speaker 24: ran track a little bit, ran sprints, so you know,
Speaker 24: I worked on you know, building those muscles up. And
Speaker 24: after I uh, after I grew into my body a
Speaker 24: little bit more at like six six three six four
Speaker 24: sixty five, and that's when it started coming in. Right
Speaker 24: before my right before my senior year in high school.
Speaker 24: You know, I was pulling off the same dunks I
Speaker 24: was doing the dunk.
Speaker 4: Contest growing up, you know, being a dunky yourself. You know,
Speaker 4: I heard Vince was one of your guys. What tempted
Speaker 4: you or or or or prompted you to join the contest,
Speaker 4: you know, going into it you you could win, or
Speaker 4: what was the motivating factor behind. You wanted to be
Speaker 4: a volved in the dunk contest. Yeah, So I grew
Speaker 4: up always you know, watched it. You know, we could
Speaker 4: watch the tapes and you go outside and try you know,
Speaker 4: I watched the Michael Jordan, Kobe's and Vince's and go
Speaker 4: outside and try to do the dunks. But uh, I
Speaker 4: wanted dunk contest in high school. I think it was
Speaker 4: the Ball's Life of All America dunk contest, you know.
Speaker 4: Going growing up, I'm like, okay, I got I got
Speaker 4: into NBA. I was like, I know I can win this.
Speaker 24: So I had even that Aaron Gordon dunk contest that
Speaker 24: we had, I had like nine dunks that I had.
Speaker 24: I was like, there's nobody doning beat me where if
Speaker 24: I make my dunks. There's nobody that's gonna beat me
Speaker 24: if I do these dunks. So I just wanted to
Speaker 24: go put a show on at least, you know, have
Speaker 24: that experience, especially at I think I was the second
Speaker 24: youngest besides Kobe to win the Dunk.
Speaker 27: Contest behind Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, that was dope. And then you became the
Speaker 4: fourth player to win back to back dunk contests. When
Speaker 4: you're able to take down Aaron in Toronto talk to
Speaker 4: us about that particular dunk contest, because that one took
Speaker 4: everyone back to you know, comparences of Dominique and Jordan
Speaker 4: back in eighty eight before you was even born. But
Speaker 4: it was one of the best dunk contests we've seen.
Speaker 24: No, it was crazy and you could just tell it
Speaker 24: built up to something that was going to go down
Speaker 24: in history, just the stuff that we were doing. Because
Speaker 24: I'm Beyonnest with you, I didn't think anybody was going
Speaker 24: to come close to me in the first dunk contest.
Speaker 27: I feel like I wiped the floor, you know. I
Speaker 27: thought it was a sweet second one.
Speaker 24: You know, Ag came out with the same amount of
Speaker 24: energy and confidence I had, so it was, you know,
Speaker 24: it was go go down to the last blow, and
Speaker 24: that's when I I was like, look, I'm either going
Speaker 24: to make this dunk or miss it. When I tried
Speaker 24: to go from the free throw line, you know, thank
Speaker 24: god I made it.
Speaker 4: But you made that shit look effortless. Your free throw
Speaker 4: dunks look motherfucking effortless. Is incredible.
Speaker 27: That last one I did was the first time I
Speaker 27: tried it.
Speaker 10: Let's go through the legs, though, go through the legs
Speaker 10: from the free throw line.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 27: It was the first time I tried it. Tried it, Yeah,
Speaker 27: first time I tried it.
Speaker 4: Never never, I s bro, that was dope.
Speaker 10: Have you have you ever talked to Aaron Gordon about that? Like,
Speaker 10: have you ever sat down?
Speaker 2: But like, man, what made you think about doing that?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Have you ever had a
Speaker 2: conversation about that moment?
Speaker 24: Yeah, We're in the same agency, so we definitely talked
Speaker 24: about it. You know, we're going back and forth, like
Speaker 24: I think I got you on this one.
Speaker 5: Or that one.
Speaker 27: But at the end of the day, I grabbed the
Speaker 27: I grabbed the mic.
Speaker 24: I I don't think people remember this. I say, Man,
Speaker 24: to be honest with you, I think we should share
Speaker 24: this trophy. You know, we put on a show together. Yeah,
Speaker 24: so it was instead of you know, one or one
Speaker 24: other guy winning, I think that was just something for
Speaker 24: the for the culture of the NBA.
Speaker 27: That was something that was special.
Speaker 4: So there's rumors now that you're hanging up your dunk
Speaker 4: contest eligibility. Is there any truth to that at the
Speaker 4: ripe old age of twenty five for you or is
Speaker 4: that the last time we seen La Levien, man, I don't.
Speaker 10: Know, man, it's yes, yes, he said, he don't know. Same,
Speaker 10: he said, he don't know.
Speaker 27: I wasn't even in the same role.
Speaker 38: Everybody was crazy Jack. Everybody still wants me to do. Man,
Speaker 38: I don't know what else I can. To be honest,
Speaker 38: I don't know what else I could do. It'll come
Speaker 38: a time to where I you know, I'm I'm eventually
Speaker 38: doing hang it up. Obviously, I know I still got
Speaker 38: something left, but you know, I think I've passed that
Speaker 38: part of my game now I want to go out
Speaker 38: there and so you know, I want, you know, I
Speaker 38: want to be NBA champion.
Speaker 4: I want you know, more, more, more refined things.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: When did you start really jumping around with ant a
Speaker 4: young age and come all of a sudden, I.
Speaker 5: Think, like going into my seventh grade year, like in
Speaker 5: a gym class, so, you know, all the kids playing
Speaker 5: around and I'm still trying to like dunk this ball,
Speaker 5: so class over, everybody leaving a family dunk it.
Speaker 8: So you know how there you dunk it.
Speaker 2: It's over.
Speaker 8: Now class You like, hey, I did it, so they're like, no,
Speaker 8: you didn't.
Speaker 5: So it's season. Get ready to start we was at BBR.
Speaker 5: I get on the fast break. I dunked the ball
Speaker 5: in seventh grade in seventh grade, and they called a
Speaker 5: technical foul. I didn't even know what the tech was about.
Speaker 5: And they's like, you can't dunk the ball. So my
Speaker 5: coach like, what you mean. I think it kind of
Speaker 5: caught him off guard. Wasn't nobody else dunting. Wasn't nobody
Speaker 5: else dunking at the time. And when I really knew
Speaker 5: this one, I really knew I could jump. My eighth
Speaker 5: grade year, in the championship game, on a fast break,
Speaker 5: I took off with a toe in front of the
Speaker 5: free throw line and dunked. And want a dude, so
Speaker 5: you look, thinking about eighth grade. As I'm in there,
Speaker 5: the guy come behind me. I'm still flying the dude
Speaker 5: that took my shoe off in the air. The place
Speaker 5: was going crazy. I dunked it and one came down
Speaker 5: and do that my shoe in his hand. I mean, look,
Speaker 5: you know, I've been like, like miss Williams, I'm like
Speaker 5: looking for that tape because I'm like just thinking about
Speaker 5: like that moment and from there, you know, because people like, Okay,
Speaker 5: you talk off stride a lot I was like, that's
Speaker 5: how I learned. But then as I started playing more,
Speaker 5: playing out there with like a lot of pros, and
Speaker 5: they'll give me like a man in a game.
Speaker 8: Then they're blocking my shot.
Speaker 5: And the first time one of the guys blocked my
Speaker 5: shot and I started laughing, and he looked at me
Speaker 5: and saying, what you laugh I say, because y'all let
Speaker 5: me play with y'all like I'm a kid. So they
Speaker 5: started giving me like two more mens here and there.
Speaker 4: And you'll do this summerly this summertime.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was at like maybe like twelve thirteen years old. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so they was giving me a couple of minutes here
Speaker 5: and there. And then I didn't look at it as
Speaker 5: like yeah, they busting my left, knocking me down. I
Speaker 5: was just happy to be out there playing. So you know,
Speaker 5: when I stopped playing against kids was to destroying them.
Speaker 5: You know, it was just like the mentality because they
Speaker 5: won as aggressive. So like my ninth grade year, I'm like, ooh,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna play the sophomore and my coach was like
Speaker 5: Wolf was like, no, I'm gonna start your boss. You're
Speaker 5: like what And he started me on varsity. I think
Speaker 5: that first year, I was like sixteen the game and
Speaker 5: then every year, so going up, it went up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So was you ever measured with your vert I mean,
Speaker 4: is it urban legend that it is fifty or was
Speaker 4: it fifty plus?
Speaker 5: It was a fifty fifty nine, ain't no question about that.
Speaker 5: It was what shocked people. I think this one they
Speaker 5: looked at it. I think this one may be on tape.
Speaker 5: Leonard Miles about six five, we was playing down in Danville, Illinois.
Speaker 5: He got on the break and he had one of
Speaker 5: the hardest one legged jumps, like broad and get up.
Speaker 5: So this time I'm like doing the chase down and
Speaker 5: he laid it up. I said, dude, you do that again,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get down. His whole wrist over the square
Speaker 5: like this is how I was. I said, you do
Speaker 5: that again, I'm gonna get it six plays five plays later,
Speaker 5: he didn't think the dunke it man went up there. Now,
Speaker 5: if you watched it when they was rewinding it, the
Speaker 5: ball over the block the square. That's why I went
Speaker 5: up there and grabbed it but two hands and just
Speaker 5: snatched it down. I think the game wasn't even over,
Speaker 5: and everybody ran on the court. It was still like
Speaker 5: the third quarter, and that's when that's when they was like, okay,
Speaker 5: don't nobody And because I sit back and watch that
Speaker 5: block and I said, man, why I told you the
Speaker 5: dunke it. He's like, man, I ain't expect nobody ever
Speaker 5: number didn't grab no ball like that. That was another
Speaker 5: memory experience.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I got Leonard I talk about this
Speaker 2: out of his house.
Speaker 5: Since we talking about you dunking and jumping at fifty
Speaker 5: Nike Snap Dunk Contest.
Speaker 2: You shake Cadding, shake Hadden with team Cleves Court, Benjamin, Yes,
Speaker 2: Baron Davis in that toom Baron Davis as well.
Speaker 4: Bro, my team used to have hops like that.
Speaker 5: What my team was like, Matt team was like he
Speaker 5: was top five quarterback in the country and the top
Speaker 5: five point guard.
Speaker 2: In the country.
Speaker 4: Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: No, he could fly up crazy, he could fly it up.
Speaker 2: But you remember that dunk contest.
Speaker 5: I never forget that dunk contest because let me tell
Speaker 5: you something like Shaye was Dominique Wilkins.
Speaker 8: Listen, man, look, they was.
Speaker 5: Calling him man the man first of all, built like
Speaker 5: that in the ninth grade, ninth ground, like dude, come on, man.
Speaker 2: What you eating two thirty.
Speaker 4: This wasn't this wasn't this wasn't a day of holdbacks
Speaker 4: and double hose back.
Speaker 8: He was really that big and that yeah, man, he
Speaker 8: was like when he looked.
Speaker 5: When he was attacking the rim and dunk and the
Speaker 5: ball man, it was just like, I'm like, dude, why
Speaker 5: you man? Like the whole every thing, just like so
Speaker 5: he was the one I was worrying about. In the
Speaker 5: dunk contest, Corey Binches was more like Clyde and glide
Speaker 5: through there. So Shay did a windmill from the side
Speaker 5: and I was like, I ain't sure. I'm like, it
Speaker 5: was just the one he.
Speaker 4: Threw in the air and anyone ever seen.
Speaker 5: I think you have felled the shit that that that
Speaker 5: dunk contest. That's because somebody sent me. It was like,
Speaker 5: somebody sent me the dunk that won it for me.
Speaker 5: So he did that dunk and then Corey's brother came
Speaker 5: up to me.
Speaker 8: It was like, look, yeah, Corey winning this, and I
Speaker 8: never get one.
Speaker 5: The guys from Chicago sitting by me, Larry Alley Way
Speaker 5: and Bibbie was there. All of a sudden he backed
Speaker 5: I'm like, I know this boy finish trying to jump
Speaker 5: from the free throw line. Corey Corey did it, So
Speaker 5: now the place he's roughed again. So now it's my
Speaker 5: you what year y'all? At this point it was going
Speaker 5: into ninety.
Speaker 2: Ship and then.
Speaker 8: They both looked at me like what you're gonna do?
Speaker 5: I ain't say anything, so like, now all these guys
Speaker 5: doing is run and start everything.
Speaker 8: They throw me the ball. Matter of fact, Ray Allen
Speaker 8: was at the camp too. Yeah, he was one of
Speaker 8: the night guys.
Speaker 2: So I got it.
Speaker 5: I walked to the free throw line and I was
Speaker 5: just like I'd done a windmill. I've done two of those,
Speaker 5: but I'm finna do something I think they see. And
Speaker 5: I didn't even run. I said, look, I did a
Speaker 5: wind meal three sixty. When I'd done it.
Speaker 8: This is when I know, y'a was how high it was? Well,
Speaker 8: you see Vince Carter do that.
Speaker 5: I was to a point where I was so high
Speaker 5: when I turned, I I was like like my neck
Speaker 5: and all this like looking down in the real that hard.
Speaker 8: And then they even let me get to my second
Speaker 8: third dunk.
Speaker 2: They just called it whole jail crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they it was real nonsense. Just walk like figure
Speaker 5: out what he was gonna do. Yeah, Bro, he did
Speaker 5: three six the wind Bert, Yeah, just like one triple.
Speaker 5: That's when I said it was just like it was people.
Speaker 5: Everybody was like, I ain't doing no running start or anything.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what called him off guard because
Speaker 5: they like, Okay, what are you finna do? Is just
Speaker 5: like free throw line? One dribble boom boom end up.
Speaker 5: This when I was like, when I turned around and
Speaker 5: there at that moment and I realized, well, my chance
Speaker 5: in my head was so hard after that, and that
Speaker 5: was Yeah, it was nothing else needed to be seen.
Speaker 5: Everybody was like the whole Jill Wayne, it was.
Speaker 4: Virable before viral for.
Speaker 2: We gotta find a tape of that dunk.
Speaker 5: Bro, we gotta find a table of that dunk, and
Speaker 5: that's probably the first time it's been done.
Speaker 2: Probably on VH.
Speaker 4: We gotta find that ship. We gonna find it. Is
Speaker 4: this an urban legend? You got your first practice through
Speaker 4: a radio dunk contest?
Speaker 6: Is that crazy as what?
Speaker 2: Mano? Yeah? Man, I'm the.
Speaker 33: Too.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you what is the truth too. Now
Speaker 6: I'm in College of Trinity Valley and ain't but two
Speaker 6: damn restaurants there. It's a dairy queen and the McDonald
Speaker 6: that's your choice of restaurants. You go out too, bro
Speaker 6: and uh in Eastern Texas and they came on the
Speaker 6: radio and they was like this. They say, Hey, there's
Speaker 6: a dunk contest next Friday night and the winner and
Speaker 6: the winner the dunk contest gets to practice with the
Speaker 6: Mavericks all week here. Three practices here, Yes, they said,
Speaker 6: three practices if you win the dunk contest. So everybody
Speaker 6: in the every junior college around Texas was trying to
Speaker 6: get in that motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 6: I mean you name it, Sega, Sino, Tyler, you, every
Speaker 6: every law school man. We was down there after the
Speaker 6: Dallas ARDA man was probably sixty contestants. Man, and I
Speaker 6: want the dunk contest that night, and uh, I got
Speaker 6: a chance to practice with the Mavericks. Now I get
Speaker 6: to the Mavericks practice and guess who's on the damn team.
Speaker 6: My teammates that the strip Sam Perkins, they on the
Speaker 6: day on the team, and I am. I come in
Speaker 6: and I guess you get a chance to practice with him?
Speaker 6: Where they don't let me practice one day? I bullshit
Speaker 6: you not?
Speaker 4: You up out of there, tell us where elevator Ernie
Speaker 4: was born at Elevator.
Speaker 15: Ernie was born at the Omni, the Omni, the Omni,
Speaker 15: and that's like mid eighties, that's eighty five or eighty six.
Speaker 15: And this is when I'm anchoring the weekend sports at
Speaker 15: Channel two and Bill Needle was the name from the past.
Speaker 15: He was the Hawks pr director at that point. So
Speaker 15: he's setting up a media slam dunk contest. So there
Speaker 15: are a couple of writers from the AJAC. Steve Brunner
Speaker 15: was in there, a couple other guys, Craig Sager from
Speaker 15: who was at TBS at the time. So Seger gets invited.
Speaker 15: Seger shows up wearing these candy stripe red and white
Speaker 15: shorts that were just about exposing everything he had. Okay,
Speaker 15: and I was like, how can you wear shorts that
Speaker 15: that's small? And he's but SEG's and I knew each
Speaker 15: other even back then because we'd be ca you know,
Speaker 15: covering different stuff. So they said, yeah, okay, you guys
Speaker 15: show up here at the Hawks shoot around because this
Speaker 15: is when and we're kinda kind of show you what's
Speaker 15: happening because we're going to do this in the pregame
Speaker 15: at the Hawks tonight. It gave us a pair of
Speaker 15: gave us a pair of Brooks, gave us Nat shoes,
Speaker 15: so I had I was wearing Dominique's Brooks on that thing.
Speaker 15: And I don't know what possessed me.
Speaker 2: To wear those.
Speaker 15: I talk about Sagar shorts.
Speaker 4: I had smugglers on too.
Speaker 2: They those things.
Speaker 10: I don't know what I was thinking.
Speaker 15: You know, it isn't it amazing when you look back
Speaker 15: some years and say, what was I kept the glasses
Speaker 15: on though, had the glasses, had the socks up to hear, had.
Speaker 4: The that was a style back then, though. Yeah.
Speaker 15: The huggers, man, it was, you know, yeah, the grape smugglers.
Speaker 15: This kiddy always calls them. So yeah, So that's where
Speaker 15: it started. And they gave us the they gave us
Speaker 15: the T shirts and mindset elevator Ernie. And I had
Speaker 15: no idea of not like I came out here, said
Speaker 15: hey make mine elevator. You just showed up at that
Speaker 15: night and they said, here's your T shirt, elevator Ernie. Okay,
Speaker 15: And so yeah, we did like an eight foot rim.
Speaker 16: It was.
Speaker 27: It was some brutal entertainment.
Speaker 15: But I looked back at some of those pictures and
Speaker 15: I saw Craig Neil, who was one of the judges
Speaker 15: of Anne Joseph member from Haiti was a center at
Speaker 15: Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2: He was one of the judges.
Speaker 15: And and then somehow that video resurrected itself on our
Speaker 15: air and now.
Speaker 4: It won't go away.
Speaker 15: So now in any slow moment, anytime they want to
Speaker 15: they want to hurt me, they bring that.
Speaker 4: Yeah could you jump? You? Did you have a could dunk?
Speaker 4: In real life on the road? Look at me?
Speaker 15: Come on, man, what do you think touch a net?
Speaker 10: You never know? You could have been aborn a younger day.
Speaker 4: Man, I no, I never could.
Speaker 15: I touched the rim maybe, but I could never do that.
Speaker 10: I could, I could, and that's and that's but I
Speaker 10: don't know what it was.
Speaker 15: And I think it maybe if I had had what
Speaker 15: a lot of young players these days have. And that's
Speaker 15: you know, there are training tools and that kind of
Speaker 15: thing where somebody can actually tell you here, hey, look,
Speaker 15: this is how you if you want a vertical this
Speaker 15: is what you're gonna have to do, and you're gonna
Speaker 15: have to work on this and you're gonna have to develop.
Speaker 15: But but for me, it was like, look, even though
Speaker 15: you look at my physique, I was not a big
Speaker 15: guy in the weight room.
Speaker 2: I know that's surprising, but it was like, I'm one of.
Speaker 15: Those guys who were like when I was taking pe
Speaker 15: classes and they started doing pull ups, I always found
Speaker 15: a way to kind of get to the back of
Speaker 15: the line every time, and then they say, oh, let's
Speaker 15: move over here.
Speaker 2: Good m