WEBVTT - Breaking Down The Most DISRESPECTFUL Dunks Of All-Time 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:03.960 When somebody don't look at the other teams bench. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:08.920 Walked into that Mama be. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:25.960 Damn ain't no magic. That's when I started dunking. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.880 Nothing screams all the smoke like a classic in your 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.320 face dunk. We've been blessed to sit down with some 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.000 of the greatest dunkers in the game, from Dominique Wilkins 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:43.040 to Sean Kemp, Ronnie Fields Jack, A ton of guys 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.239 come to mind. But who were some of your best 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.199 in game dunks? Give me three or four best in 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:51.000 game dunks. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:55.160 One I'll go stro Miles Smith. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.440 That's fucking crazy, you sound. I was literally thinking stro Malin. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.760 Who I mean you could name any of his dunks? 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.040 Yeah, he wind milled on somebody when he was in 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:05.880 uh dropstyle wind mill. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.440 I gotta go with my textas my little brow from text. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.840 Jail Green that windmill he caught it uh in Brooklyn 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.800 or that was New that was New Jersey back then. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.720 I'm going Vince Carter on the lines in the morning, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:25.280 and I'm going I'm going uh m J on Pat Ewing. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.760 I'm going Sean Kemp on Alton Lister, I'm going Baron 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:36.200 Davis on Andre Carolinko, I'm going DeAndre Jordan on Brandon Knight. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.760 Who else am I forgetting in shack when he dunked 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:45.880 on Chris Dudley and wrapped his legs around. Well, I 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.240 hope you guys enjoyed this episode brought to you by DraftKings. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:50.559 The Crown is yours. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.920 I made this one dunk, double pump, reverse dunk in 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:10.520 New York Garden. Stop bro, referee, stop the ball, just bounce. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.560 Pat Riley called the time out. You don't let this players, 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.600 because nobody was moving. It was in ad a little bit. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:26.119 Uh you know, I felt the crowd, I felt the ship. Well, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.240 let me tell you all this man. In the next 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.040 thirty days, I think I had fifty four ducks. So 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:36.840 it just created a beast. I mean when when I 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:40.280 said about dunk and it wasn't, I went from duncan, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:41.480 I was trying to fucking rip. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:46.880 I made this know, man. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.239 I would make this know so on my bathroom mirror, 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.280 every me and my partners man, every anybody that we 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.680 was playing. It was like a seventh footer. We would 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.639 cut a picture off of him and on my damn 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.480 mirror in my bathroom. And then and I was like, 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.400 you know, it was like you gotta get this, you 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.480 gotta get this big fucking my boys would be like, 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:07.400 you gotta get this big. I was like, won don't 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:12.200 we just get everybody guards, big men, anybody, whoever, It 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.600 didn't matter. So it was just like my mindset, man, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.680 was just like I could just dump on any and everybody. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.560 It didn't matter. Five feet away, three feet away, double pump, reverse, 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:25.799 double windmill, anything possible. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.400 Man. It was like double It was just like just 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.799 kept talking double windmill. Yeah. Man. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.920 So it was just like, you know, it was all statements. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.280 Yeah, do you have some do you have some favorites? 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.720 Obviously the old listing one is big, and we've seen. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:48.200 That Ratland Gallan was a good one because he the 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.320 story doesn't say, but the truth of it is he is. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.400 He tried to hurt me. That was a playoff game. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.800 He actually tried to hurt me before that. So he 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.160 basically had threw me to the ground, kind of slammed 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.240 me to the ground. I told his ass, at your 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.520 old ass back, we'll get you back. I know how 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.560 to get you back. I ain't gonna fight you because 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:05.960 we get kicked out, but I know how to get 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.840 your ass. I'm gonna put you one of these posters. 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.120 The Ratler Gatlin. This is the poet of my favorite 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:17.360 ones because I couldn't believe this nigga really gave me that. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.200 I loved it, man, I was just well, he gave 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.360 me that right there. I was just like, man, you know, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.200 and we were partners too. I was just like, damn 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.520 got me. He's like, damn, you know. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.039 And that's what you're doing. That's what you're doing when 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:31.719 you're gonna lose. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.400 If you go down and duncle bar and had a 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.640 rim shaking for the next three possessions, you ain't gotta 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:48.160 say nothing. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:49.479 That's what you used to do. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.760 The thing that I enjoyed the most. And somebody asked 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.200 me this question earlier today, said, you know, what is 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.119 your favorite place? I said, well, I can't really say 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.200 what my favorite play was, but I can tell you 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.240 what my favorite situation was is when big men try 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:07.960 to block my shot. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.680 Man, I tried to throw it so hard. 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.880 I was trying to break that on to tear them 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:17.400 from trying to If you throw it down the big 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.440 guy real hard the first time, he's gonna be thinking 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:21.560 about that next one. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.560 And then you can lay it up, you know, you know, make. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.880 A pass, whatever you need to do to get the bucket. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:32.160 But it puts that fear in his mind. But then 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.080 you have them guys who like the block shots don't. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:39.160 Never they paint freaks, oh man, love it. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.920 But that those are the best situations for me when 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:55.279 I can create an advantage for myself or for a team. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.400 Michael Jordan doctor Me on CBS, man and all I 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.279 remember I was thinking, is in my park when you 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.920 got dunk on, they took your sneakers and I just 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:05.960 sat there and I go, I'm going to hear it, 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.560 Like the only thing in my brain is my brother's 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.000 going on. My phone's gonna blow up. When I got home, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.080 did you go up and try to like you tried 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.280 to tell? I thought I had it? 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:20.880 You know what? I think he had it. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.240 I thought the energy. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.320 He went up so fast and then moved in the air, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.719 and I just grabbed his face because I was like, 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.880 you can't dunk this. And I grabbed his face and 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.440 he still dunked it and his tongue was out, and 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.120 you know, you try to take it out real quick. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:39.720 Like the lines on morning, they were like, no, that's 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.880 a foul and then the cameras, cameras on you. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.440 You try not to be in the camera, like got. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.760 My that's funny. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.040 Obviously getting a chance of playing with MJ. But Vince 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.800 from a standpoint of coming into the league and just 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.400 the amount of highlights he provided with you ever in 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:11.920 like all like you'd been with the grow. Yeah, but Vince, 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:13.520 I think something different. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.200 Yeah, I think Vince highlight may be better. 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:15.400 Mike. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:16.160 I'm sorry, Mike. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.680 When he first Vince went the elevator, it was the 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.120 twelve he made it thirteen foor. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:25.960 He's the best in game. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:32.440 Dunker him and yeah, Domini for his tip dunks, human 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:38.000 highlights film. Yeah, but Vince, I know it was crazy man. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.280 When he got Lonzo, he opened the door there, let 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.960 me close it, laning on everybody. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:46.120 It was. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:47.000 This was the day he. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:48.040 Put the show on. 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.880 He had a good he had like a ten year run, 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:57.239 Vince and the Dunk contest and up in Canada, you know, Canada, 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:58.280 Canada Air. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:07:58.720 Vince. 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.320 So you've been known for putting people on posters, obviously 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.000 with the Dunk of the Olympics, the Alonzo Morning Dunk 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.080 in two thousand and five, just walk us through that sequence, 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.360 because that could be one of the secondt chest to 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.240 chest face dunk on your motherfucking asses we've ever said. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.600 So two thousand and five, we're playing at Miami and 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.040 the first quarter the game starts and I go baseline, 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.600 boom dunk on Zoe. All right, cool, whatever, you know, 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.640 when you dunkle Zoe, you better be happy because Zoe 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:36.560 coming back, he gona. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:36.800 He gonna get. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.679 That's just what it is. Two plays later, RJ boom 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:41.520 dunk on him. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.480 So we both dunkle him in the first half. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:45.920 That's it. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.120 Go we get the halftime. I'm sitting the locker room. 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.040 I said, hey, RJ. Literally I said this, this is 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.440 my word. I said, RJ, we ain't gonna be able 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.679 to duncle Zoe again because he's gonna knock us out 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.480 the air. He ain't going for there. So I said, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.400 what you're gonna have to do. You're gonna have to 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.640 take the hit, bounce off of, and then hopefully you 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:04.120 could dunk it. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:05.760 God's honest truth. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.920 So second half comes, the ball goes out, r J 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:11.920 tries to make a lab gets bumped out. I get 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:13.400 the ball go behind the back of my boy, J 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.760 will on bubbs and I take two dribbles. So I 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.880 took the first dribble and I see the basket. I 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.480 see Zoe, so he's sitting there like, yeah, okay, I'm 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.800 about to block it. But you know, Jason Collins was 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.959 so smart, bro, so you know know he was holding 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.640 Zoe's on so he couldn't go. And as I took 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.000 my second dribble, he let him go. So soon as 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:33.800 he let him go, Zoe was already too late. So 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.480 once I got in the air, br he jumps at me. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.280 So I'm up, he jumping at me. I already have 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.080 the momentum because I got up first. So when here 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:44.680 when he hit me, he bumps me up higher. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:45.959 So bro. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.079 So when I hit him and I'm leaning to the side, 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.160 I'm like, oh shit, the rim is right there. So 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.920 I'm like, Bron, don't miss this. I'm like, Bron, don't 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.800 miss this. This is an opportunity. So I just got it. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.360 And I just remember I was so high. I just 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.440 threw it through God. And I remember running down the 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.680 court like so feel back, and I was I just 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.840 look at our bitch like and I ran down the 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.120 court and then and then d Waite was Simon. 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:10.679 He's like, that ain't right, bro. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.200 I remember him saying that I laughed, but I tried 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.120 to play it like I was tough, like you know, 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.520 I was like, I'm in me muggy. But he said that, 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.440 but that might have been the funniest thing ever. Like 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.000 his teammate got voked and he's like, dang right, one 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:24.240 of them. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:25.000 When to happen. 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.760 Everybody running around the house, running. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:27.920 Around the house. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.400 Oh my, Like what the just happened? 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:32.520 Man? 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:33.440 It was great? 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.560 Was there was there any truth that you guys didn't 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.560 talk for like six or seven years after that? You 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:37.840 was zo? 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:43.199 Yes, man, it was like five years. So so I see, 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:43.920 here's a creazy. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:44.160 Thing I heard. 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.600 I saw his response somewhere. He's like, it wasn't true. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.400 I ain't got no reason to lie about it. But 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.640 like it was a basketball play, you know what I'm saying. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.920 It's not like we set him up like trying to 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.720 jump on it was just like he tried to block it. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:58.679 It happened, okay. 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.080 But I think the back story to it is a 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.240 commercial was trying to be They were trying to do 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.520 a commercial with that night. He tried to use a 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.680 commercial and asked for his permission. He didn't want it 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.360 to be done, so they ran the commercial up until 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.480 the point to where we bumped and before. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:16.520 I duncked it and they cut it off. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:17.720 Damn. 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:20.000 So they used that much of it, and I guess 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:21.679 he felt like I had something to do with it. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:22.600 I ain't gonne to do that. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.560 Man, the first time you've been dunked on, you've been 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.559 dunked on my airbody. Yeah, And I had dumped on 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.319 my rookie year and I flexed on him like he's 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:30.959 a young fellow. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:31.360 Calm down. 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:32.960 That's how young fellas get hurt. I was like, my 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:34.920 bad dunk on you don't you know what I'm saying. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:36.920 I ain't stopped, you know what I'm saying. It was 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.360 one of those type of things. So so leading up 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.240 to us, it was like five years. So All Star 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:46.160 gave in Orlando. Right, All Star Game in Orlando is 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.800 I helped. I hosted a dinner for Obama at my 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.440 house and guess are coming in? 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:52.520 Was only seventy people. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.040 Doorbell ring, door open, you know, somebody opened the door 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:57.600 and I'm sitting at the front like greeting people, and 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.760 I see zo. I was like, okay, so how we 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.040 go play this one because he ain't talked to me 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:04.960 in all these years, like you can walk up in 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.120 my house say keep going or not like. 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:08.679 So I don't know. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:09.720 So I'm just waiting to see. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.320 Because you know, it's like, all right, I'm you know, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.200 clearly you don't want to talk for whatever reason. So 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.680 it's all good because all right, prior to we sat 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.360 in a restaurant in Miami at Prime one twelve and 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:21.760 see each other and he didn't speak. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:22.640 Maybe he didn't see me or not. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:24.320 We were facing each other, but maybe he didn't see 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.520 me whatever, So I didn't know how this was going 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.080 to play out. So that's why I was like in 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.439 for five years. And finally when he walked in, we smoke, 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.360 hug and it's all good. Like we talked. It was 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.640 like like nothing never happened, and I was like, cool, whatever, 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.560 it is a basketball player, so it is what it is. 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.160 And I didn't want him and he probably never I 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.520 probably I've never actually said that, but I think I 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:49.040 personally think that's what led to him being frustrated or 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.800 not talk to me because maybe he felt like I 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.720 had something to do with that commercial and I didn't 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:59.160 and get here's something I'm saying it already the words. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.480 I've seen it already, bro and it again. And that 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.240 was my point. So like that's what I was like. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:08.959 It was a basketball play. Like if you block it, yo, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.680 that's your highlight. Now we see that sports and like 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.600 he floored because if he blocked that, I'm hitting the floor. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.360 Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. So it is 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:17.920 what it is. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:19.920 He gonna get mad again because WE'RENNA. I'm gonna make 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.120 sure they edit this. Uh so we get that on 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:37.400 the edits that we put that on Instagram. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.280 We have Vince Card on the show a while back 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.120 and he said the dunk he had on you in 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.600 Miami kind of fuck you guys. Friendship for a little bit, 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:49.120 speak for me, said. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:53.800 Talk to him about five years in writeing Bence to 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:54.840 my golf tournament. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:59.680 He never came, Okay, listen, I love this. You know 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:01.160 what he's done for the game. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:02.040 He caught me. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:11.040 But ask him how many times I blocked the shot? 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.040 You know, exactly exactly so, but but he caught me. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:17.880 I mean, Vic was that. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.520 Type of guy where and I had to I had 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.280 the ability where I would meet guys at the rim. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.480 You know, I just meet you at the rim because 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.600 I had big enough hands and I had strong I 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.680 was strong enough to really just catch you because I 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.200 knew you were coming. You know, I knew you were 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:34.680 coming to the rim. So I'm gonna meet you right 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.440 at the rim. I will wait for you. And sometimes 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.520 it was kind of risky because you get caught sometimes. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.840 But with Evince, I went up to catch his and 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:51.440 he went up another lot. I was like, oh, he 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.120 went up another left, he went up one more level. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.480 You it seemed like, knocked him up. 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.840 Yeah, that was pretty I'm glad it's a little blurry 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:11.200 now it is not in like h yeah. 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:20.800 Man, h it's crazy question. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.480 But I know your game and I have just seen 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.120 you play so much and idolajah. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.040 Would you rather cross someone to dunk on someone? 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.720 But I've seen you do that too many times in 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:34.840 the same plays. 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.840 Go hand in hand. Yeah, for you that go in there, 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.760 someone you crossed up and dunked on. That wasr that 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.240 was the ship, that was your patting the things. So 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.880 you got a lot of people on that list. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:44.400 Was it was. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.920 Always it was always fun dunking on the kimba. Yeah, 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.880 I got him a couple of times, very few people 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.440 got it. And he I used to tell Hi, I'm 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.800 a clown, I'm a climb mountain, Tumbo, I'm coming and uh. 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.760 You don't know, you ain't gonna get me. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:15:59.800 And uh and so that back. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:05.600 And the thing about my tumbo in morning, they jumped 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:06.120 for everything. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:07.800 Even if they got jumped. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.520 A lot of guys won't won't come over, Shack, They 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.560 won't come over, you know, they don't want to get posterized. 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.080 But like the ken bet, he came every time, every time, 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:22.400 and he got got, He got gott you know, no question, 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:23.080 no question. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:32.960 How can I create advantage? 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.880 And dunking was one of them tools man, that I used, 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:38.480 and I just took it to a different level. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.720 I mean, obviously a career full of highlights. Are there 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.840 any dunks that's to kind of stand out to your mind? 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.080 You said you love dunkin on big dudes, that's you know, yeah. 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.480 I think one of my favorite dunks was against Bob Lanier. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:54.240 At the end of the game. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.680 I remember, I'm on the right side and I come 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.280 to the middle and Kevin Greedy cuts me off and 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:02.320 I go back basic. 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:03.000 Sit here, jump. 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:03.520 That's it. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.800 That's the one was that a double punt reverse on 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.520 the side, so you see a ball fake hold hold 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.880 on post game though, how many guards that post game? 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.240 Back then through. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.719 Hey, let me tell you he didn't speak to me 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.000 for nine years. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.040 I said, why do you Why are you not? 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.880 I mean, what's up with that? He said, it's just recently. 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:32.160 My daughter said I need to get by. He said, 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.080 it's just a little skinny kid dunk on you like that. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:34.680 You should be. 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:48.399 Embarrassed the night that you threw the fucking lot the 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.800 DJ and he dunked on branding Knight probably one of 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.400 the most disrespectful dunks in the history of the game. 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:58.760 I'm surprised they gave y'all. They gave y'all bail yas 0:17:58.760 --> 0:17:59.440 should still. 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.240 Be that Yah Night my man to Now me and 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.240 me and Brandon Knight got a chance to play together 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:05.840 in Houston. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.920 So that's who Dude's who dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.280 sid the dude seeple but. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:16.480 Yeah, being on Bluebush from about four five different teams. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:17.639 Bro the crazy. 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.320 The craziest part about that live is like where I 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.760 threw it, Like I threw it further back because I 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.040 knew DJ could catch it and take it within it. Yeah, 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:28.880 like most live if you throw it to the rim. 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.800 But I threw it like to the dots or whatever. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:35.760 Because even to this day, like if I go right 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:37.560 or something on the pick and roll, if I see 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.040 the low man over early, I throw it to the corner. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:39.960 You know. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.040 I mean that's an easy read. That's an easy read. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:42.800 And so when we. 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.399 Would run that play for DJ, we called forty five 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.720 or whatever, all I was doing, I wasn't even looking 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:49.120 at DJ. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:50.359 I was just looking at the lowman. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.480 Yeah, he was with me because I had shaken up 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.480 and hit a three pointer earlier, maybe two possession before that. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:57.840 So then I stayed in the corner that time and 0:18:57.880 --> 0:18:58.480 it was over. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.840 But listen, man, your reactions. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:05.080 Yo, that's why I want people to watch my reaction 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.760 and left like I didn't want to be questioned for 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.720 no murder. I wasn't trying to snitch out nobody, Like 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.639 I didn't want to tell the DJ to just killed 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:16.760 this man in front of the whole world. So I 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:22.119 jumped up like, yo, that y'all got to do it. 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.359 And this is what y'all gotta do, is stack and 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.399 Matt when y'all get a chance, me and my brother 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.359 got a whole text stream. But this is all we 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.199 do to each other is when somebody don't look at 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:33.560 the other team's bitch. 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.160 That's all crazy at because I can't. 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.120 Then my brother text each other. We'll be like, look, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.600 you can't go back and look. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:42.480 At our bitch. 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.919 Joe Greens dunk against the nets. Look the whole bitch 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.520 the windmill. Yeah, yeah, go Look they was playing against Houston. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.959 Look at Houston's bitch. A bunch of them over there 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:54.439 like this. 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.919 You can't do that. That should make it worse if 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.440 you and the other team you can't make a way word. 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.000 But that was one of the most disrespectful ducks in 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:19.399 NBA history. Doctor J something when you looked up to 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.840 I heard in college he kind of rolled out the 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:23.800 red carpet. You explain that story about doctor J. 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:24.440 Yeah. 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:30.080 So I was leaving school and I called him up, 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:35.199 and so he said, hey, I said, hey, what is 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.960 it like leaving You left? So I want you to 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.360 tell me what it's like for me to leave Michigan 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.879 State early. And so he was explaining to me on 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.639 the phone, and then he said, I'm gonna do you 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.840 one better fly out to Philly and hang out with. 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:50.720 Me for the weekend. 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:56.399 I said, what doc, No, doc, that's a doctor. This 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:57.600 is doctor j R. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.320 Saying a young fellow can come hang with it. And 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.639 he put me up at his crib at the big. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:10.600 Mansion a limo, and my brother was like, oh, show, 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:12.760 I'm calling everybody. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.600 I'm with doctor j at his house. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.320 And so you know, I'm sitting there living in the 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.359 living room and he's talking to me and I'm just 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.199 zoning out, like I can't even believe it. I've always 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:29.199 had docs on. So now I'm with him. Oh it 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.520 was crazy, man. So we hung out the whole weekend. 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.320 Wife took great care of me as well, went to 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:36.520 a couple of playoff games. 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:37.480 He was in the playoffs. 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:39.280 He gave me some great advice. 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.879 And then here it is seven months later, I'm playing 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:43.640 the brother in. 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:45.480 The NBA finals. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:50.360 My idol, I'm playing him in the NBA Finals. And 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.720 so so I said, man, I love you, but I 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:55.960 got to take him out too, and take him out. 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.879 But when he came down that middle I mean on 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.080 that right side and cuffed. 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:13.040 That ball on cool A bad business, remember, I said. 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:13.320 Oh. 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.480 And then the other one was he came down the 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:20.600 right side and he jumped out. 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.600 Of bounds and he started walking. 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:23.000 The finger. 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:26.080 In the air and the. 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:30.679 Fro fro going back, bunting against the glasses. 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:31.000 Good. 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.200 I said, Man, this dude is too much. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:36.000 Man, he was doing that. 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:37.280 George before Michael. 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.840 People forget that he was the first dude walking in 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.600 the air. Oh man, it was so much fun playing 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:46.960 against Die and that we won. 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.119 Some of whom I think got overlooked, but I know 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:02.760 you know how important he was. Talk to us about 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:06.240 Ak forty seven, because to me, he changed the whole dynamic. 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.880 Jack and Bedie were both rolling in the first round, 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.120 and Ak was someone who slowed both of them down 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.600 a little bit. But talk to me about his versatility 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.040 and how much he meant for your guys team. 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:22.280 Man, Listen, if a if AK had a jumper like 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.200 assistant jump, I think he would have been the best 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.600 player in the league at the time, like honestly, because 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.720 there's nobody that was They could fill. 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:30.440 Up stats like him. 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:35.520 Yep, I mean Lebron Lebron, But man, he just had 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:39.879 he just he was everywhere defensively and then offensively. 0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:41.400 He had he had a great feel for the game. 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.720 He was a great passer, great understanding of where to 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:46.480 be and like you said, what he does on defense, 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.760 I mean he he changes the game. You know, he's 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:53.439 he's he's his help side defense is incredible. 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:54.200 Uh. 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:55.840 You know, he erased a lot of mistakes to him 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:59.320 because we didn't have this the center shot blocker. You know, 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.200 we had them on Booze, so they neither one of 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:03.280 them was really shot blockers. 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:04.920 It was ak that would come and help. 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:07.320 And at the time, you know, the three position was 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.639 probably one that you could help off the most in 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:11.080 that era. 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:12.760 Yeah. 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.800 Uh, but Bedi did get him. That motherfucker was coming 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:18.800 from the weak started blocking everything. But Bedi went on 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.160 that baseline that one time and got him. What were 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:22.639 you thinking during that dunk? 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:24.560 I'm so sick of seeing that ship. 0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.400 Even this year that was the opening day, they had shirts, 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:33.760 they had posters. 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:39.879 This year was twenty years ago. And then and then 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:41.400 and then fast. 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.439 Forward, Steph dunks and pulls up his shirt like recreating it. 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.480 So then you know it goes back viral. Then you 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.040 got you got all these you got all. 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:50.920 These igs, you got to throw back hoops, she got 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:55.439 way back hoops, she got pastime hoops. They show it 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.600 and then and then I feel bad because it's my 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:03.640 damn fault. I had some terrible, terrible defense. But yeah, 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:05.760 I mean, if you're a shot blocker, you're gonna get got. 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.119 It's just it's a but it was bad. 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:08.320 Man. 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:10.800 He smushed his nose when they showed him slow mo. 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:12.120 It's it's bad. 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.080 Next that next that next year when we played all 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:19.520 that first game, that's that's what was the posters cut 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:21.960 out of that and his smush nose with with Beaty's 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:22.560 hand on it. 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:25.239 I was like, damn, my fault. I was just all 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:26.240 I could do is say sorry. 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.600 The reason why it was so crazy though, because Beadi 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.000 had a bad knee, he had a bad back. 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:36.480 He wasn't supposed to play that game. Uh, all that, 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.680 all that, all that that was going on. He said 0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:40.320 they didn't have it. 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:42.240 He was back, was hurting, his knees hurt, he wasn't 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:43.280 gonna play all that. 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.720 And he come out and do that. 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:49.600 That's that's what That's what really shocked us because we 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:49.920 didn't know. 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:51.600 I didn't know he had it in him, to. 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:57.439 Be honest, yeah I did, but I didn't know. 0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:59.480 He didn't tell me all that we was I mean 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.159 He was with him every before every game, and I 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:03.240 definitely didn't know he was hurt. 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:04.520 But you know, he ain't gonna say that to me 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:05.760 because I'm right a possible. 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:07.960 Yeah, you're gonna go at him and take advantage of it. 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.399 Take us back to your upbringing, your family dynamic, you know, 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.879 military kids. So moving around. 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:27.160 Born and raised in Nook, New Jersey, high level juvenile delinquent. 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.679 Got out of there just in time. This is around 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:35.080 the time where people stopped using their hands. Gave me 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:40.680 a chain and knife and then pistols start coming out. Yeah, exactly. So, 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:46.720 by the grace of God, moved to Germany, got away 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.520 from that riding two three years in Germany. Now only 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:53.760 thing I could focus on is basketball. So I'm terrible, 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:57.800 six ' nine, cut from the freshman team, cut from 0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.360 the sophomore team. Again, my father comes in the house. 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.359 Get your ass up. We're gonna go see this college coach, 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.160 see if you can get a scholarship. It was Dale Brown. 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:08.560 So I went in there and said, hey, coach, I 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.560 need help. I ain't make the team. Blah blah blah 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:15.560 blah blah blah. It's like thirteen, but I'm thirteen, six ' 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:16.440 nine can't play. 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:17.359 I got bad knees. 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:18.640 I got Osgod. 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.600 Slaughter, Slaughter, I got the brown knee Breds with the 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:25.560 home I'm slow as hell. I can't do anything. People 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:30.639 laughing at me. So Coach Brown writes me, I do 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:32.840 everything you say. So the next year, I still didn't 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:34.359 make the team, so I send him a little up man. 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:37.160 I'm gonna just join Army. Just join Army. 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:37.720 They're right, I. 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:41.040 Can't walk into gun. At the same time, I can't 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.200 do it. So he said, no, I'm off of your scholarship. 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.440 So now we leave. When I come back to Texas 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.159 and I go to a small high school in Texas, 0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:53.760 our team is terrible. I make the team all shit, 0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.520 and I'm starting to get a little confident. And then 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.640 my dad takes me to see John Contact and now 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.439 everything just changed overnight for me. Everything just changed overnight 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.200 overnight for me, being that I was a hip hop kid, 0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.360 had a little rhythm. I'm not doing with Korean. I'm 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.800 not doing those guy hooks. I like this magic cat. 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.240 So you know, I started working on my little handles right. 0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.840 And then when I first started dunking, I never wanted 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:23.520 to dunk. So junior year, I got forty five. At three, 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:26.200 I'm killing the little dudes. I'm playing gainst my finger 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.440 rolls it I miss. My father comes out and his 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:33.080 fatigues time out. He you know, he walks the middle 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:37.600 of the floor. Yeah, he's a pop time out. I said, yo, man, 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.440 time out, Go bring you as outside. 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:40.080 I'm cool. 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.400 There, public ending me out. I got the flavor flat like, 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.240 I'm I'm cold, right, Yah, I'm cool. So he takes 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:49.520 me outside see him man fuck? You know, said man, 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:51.040 I'm just you know, you know, I'm working on my 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:57.040 little matt Wap smacks me. Ain't no magic be Shaquille O'Neill. 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.640 But that's when I started dunking, right, And the reason 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:02.840 why I've always dunk so fierce because I was mad 0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.280 at him and I wanted to tear the rim down. 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:07.480 But it was just regular dunks dunk. 0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.240 So then I'm go home and you know, he making 0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:15.080 me watching college games and I'm watching Syracuse play Sherman 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.920 Duglas throws it to Ronnie Cyclely. He dunk it, but 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.360 he getting his legs up, and I was like, okay. 0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.160 So the next game, my father's there, I'm dunking and 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.360 getting my legs up. So what I learned from Matt 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:31.600 people start doing that, I was like, oh, okay, I 0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.840 got something there. So that's when i just started dunkin Duncan, 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.360 dunkin Duncan, Duncan, dunk and dunkin. Dominate, dominating, dominating. And 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:42.560 I'm the type. I was always a jealous kid. If 0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.920 your name's ahead of me, I'm coming after. BJ Tyler 0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:49.560 was ahead of me, right le Bradford Smith was out 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:53.040 of me. Yeah, they had a dude name Matt something 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.640 that was ahead of me. So I'm averaging thirty four 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.440 in Texas, but nobody recognized all these guys ahead of me. 0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:01.360 So I'm coming for him because that's what I've been 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:04.000 doing all my life. Right, So I'm coming, I'm coming, 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.240 I'm coming, I'm coming. That's what I'm trying to teach 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.520 my son. Now, I said, our lives is about peace 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.240 and valleys. It's only a few people that come in 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.680 and just do this. But the rest of us terrible 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.520 high school player, high school all American. Oh, now you 0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:20.160 go to go to college. Hey, they got to do 0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.040 name Chris Jackson's stand. You're gonna have to wait. Okay, 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:24.880 now you're the man. Cut Oh, now you get to 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.200 the pros as you and as Robinson as a team. 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:32.280 So I like, I like being challenged. I like when 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:35.040 people say you can't do it. It just you know, 0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:39.160 makes us work harder. So my father was always a 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:40.920 guy that never told me I was great. 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.120 You guys run through the east and you guys run 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:53.479 into them. 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:53.920 What was it like? 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:55.680 There was the one picture I think in that Finds 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.239 where Shaq was dunking on everybody on the team at 0:30:58.240 --> 0:30:58.560 one time. 0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.640 Video that is one of the best pictures in history, 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:07.200 in NBA history though, like steel shots, that's one of 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:08.040 the best pictures. 0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:11.160 Ever. How tough were they though, How tough were they 0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:15.480 in theirs? But you were someone you had to guard. 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:17.880 You you were a rare person could guard Shack and 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:19.080 you had to. You had to guard. 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:20.880 I was the romer. 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.080 I was the double guy because it fits like, wait, 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.120 while I can't do nothing with that dude. If I 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:26.640 did get caught on, all I have to do is 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:28.880 try to front him, and he just pushed me up 0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:31.400 the lane. They thought it was impossible to guard. 0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:32.120 Impossible. 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.640 Listen, man, So you pick your poison? Do you try 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:37.920 to play him straight up? You know what you're gonna 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:42.479 do do you double swing swings? Now you got Now 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.400 you got Derek Fisher going four for seven, Robert or 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:50.239 going two for five, Devin George going too for It's 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.840 just so then what do you do? 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.520 And then you got the other animal. 0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:01.720 That one on one is destroying everybody in the world. 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:05.280 He average check averaging thirty six. He averaged twenty six whatever, 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.160 like it was impossible. But you know what I'm saying. 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.040 I I look back at it like I averaged twenty 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:15.160 two against them. I like my second year average twenty 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.840 twenty finals against them, Like I posted on like somebody's 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.920 like the number of points in these serious somebody posted. 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:23.440 Like it was one of them apps. 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.040 Oh yeah, I seen that thing. You were up there. 0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.240 That's right. I dom third on the list. Of course 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:31.040 you had shot and coch cole and then came on. 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:32.760 You know what I'm saying, So I average twenty twenty 0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:36.320 finals like my second year, like game four and our 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:39.600 home flow like, man, we ain't getting swept like fuck that, 0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:42.560 Like I'm not going home tonight, Like we're going back there. 0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.680 Alan, you went home that night, you were home that night. 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.160 I'll tell us a little bit about that one particular play, 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.400 you know that the dunk the bump, you know that 0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.280 was on Sports Center Top ten. What happened? Like you know, 0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:09.040 how to talk to how that dunk you know was 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:13.480 talked about and kind of changed things even no lot 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:17.840 to this day people either tag me it on Instagram 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.720 or Twitter, like I see the dunk every day. 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:26.200 Since somehow how many. 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:29.479 Straight up? 0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:33.000 Yeah, now it's I gotta listen. 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.000 I got a post of it upstairs in my in 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.400 my hallway, like my mom got a post of it. 0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:39.600 My pops got one in his house. 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:40.160 Uh. 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.280 It was crazy because you know, I remember, I remember 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.000 like it was yesterday. It was in the fourth quarter. 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.560 It was a low scoring game too, so like both 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:50.600 teams was kind of struggling a little bit, and Brad 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.440 caught a time out and he like, we settling too 0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:54.680 much for jumpers, you know, let's let's try to get one. 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:56.600 Let's try to get to the fire line, attack the rim. 0:33:57.280 --> 0:34:00.120 So I remember Smart had the ball out comes the 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:02.280 pin down for me and he was like, jac you 0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:04.040 get it, you know, attack down here to make a 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.760 play for yourself for somebody else. So I remember, I 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.759 got it, and I turned the corner and it's like 0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.040 everything kind of slowed down for a second because I 0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:12.680 seen Brian. 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:16.160 I'm like, oh, it's like I gotta. 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.040 Try to dunk it, because if I didn't think I 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:19.239 was on dunk him. I was like, let me just 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.040 try to dunk it. Hopefully I get the foul or something. 0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.480 So I'm like, oh, so like the first for like 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:28.280 five seconds, everything slowed down and as soon as I jumped. 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.120 As soon as I jumped, it was like and then 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:33.800 I'm coming down on the ground and I don't I 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:35.919 don't know why, but I bumped him and I yelled 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.080 in his face and I remember looking at it. 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:39.160 I loved it. 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.560 He's after I bumped him, he looked at me like, 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:45.120 I'm like, oh, let me get back on defense. 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.840 That wasn't look though, it looked like, oh oh, this 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:54.359 motherfucker is for real. 0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:59.839 That was a looking round how dare you? But there's 0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:01.880 a look a little bit of respecting that look too, 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:05.080 Like this little motherfucker came to Hope Man for sure. 0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.040 And then you know, after that season, he gave you 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:09.600 one of the you know, the best compliments you can 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:11.839 get is you know you're built for stardom. He saw 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.600 the star in you. Obviously throughout the season, especially in 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.680 that in that playoff series. And what did that mean 0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.359 to you to kind of be stamped by arguably one 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:20.640 of the greatest players of all time. 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:23.040 He gave me, I mean a problem. 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:24.160 Mm hmm. 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:29.239 Yeah, Like like you said, you know, I when I 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.439 when I stepped on the floor, like, I don't, I don't. 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:32.920 I never back down from anybody. 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.239 I tell myself like when I step on the floor, 0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:36.440 like I'm the best player out here. 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:37.480 Like That's how I approach it. 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.920 But like I still I understand, like Lebron is what 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.360 he means the basketball and what he means the players 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:46.520 like myself, and you know, just basketball in general, like 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:48.480 what he's done so much for the game. So to 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.080 get that, you know, that nine from him, it's a 0:35:51.120 --> 0:36:04.680 big deal. You know, you you you appreciate that. How 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:06.000 many back boys have you shot it? 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:07.080 Just one? 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:09.799 I brought a lot of rims, just shot at one 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:12.520 boy at the right time, at the right time of 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:13.279 the turnament. 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:14.040 At the right time. Man. 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.040 Talk about that, my man. Jason Sassi bro shout out 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:19.640 to Jay Sass his nephew Marcus is a hell of 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:21.879 a player. Place at the University of Houston, Marcus Sas 0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:26.600 his nephew, my man J Martin point guard from Inglewood. 0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:33.319 Uh, he hit, he hit jail on you at Jason. Yeah, bro, 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:34.120 I've been doing. 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.359 J for over thirty years, shout out j Martin. 0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.320 So yeah, Jay went. 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.120 Hit hit hit sass in the post and Vince was 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.799 guarding me. Antoine was garden sass and SaaS threw up 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.480 the right jump hook. Vince went to go double one. 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:50.440 I had a straight line right to the rim. Man 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.200 just caught off a rebound and then the rest of 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.920 his mother down too, and that actually tied the game up, 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:58.799 like we was going back and forth, and I think 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.200 that might have made it Sick Team is sixteen. They 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.360 had had my man who want to see later on 0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:08.320 the night. They had Jeff McGinnis, they had Antoine, Jamison, 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.960 Vince Carter, Sir s Quicker Shaman Williams. 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.800 That Carolina team was strong. Yeah, KAA, dont you know 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:15.120 what I mean? 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.920 So they had a they had a strong, strong squad, 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:22.680 and we had Tony Batti, myself, Saz j Mark, Corey Carr, 0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:25.680 uh Coy Smiths and they cool. We had we had 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.200 a pretty tough squad too, but it was one of 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.640 those things. Man, we're going back and forth. When that happened, 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:33.759 we had to stop the game forty five minutes go 0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.480 watch the ice glass out out our back. We had 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:40.520 to take showers and my man Corey came out, went 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:45.160 on a three point barrage. Corey came out and hit 0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.920 like four straight threes. Man just opened the game up. 0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:50.560 We ended up winning by twenty ninety two to seventy three, 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:54.000 and they drug tested me feverishly. 0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:57.640 Gotta be on something right. 0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.200 Everything came back clear is I was just on steak, 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:02.080 milk and brocket. 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:18.040 Frederick Wise jumped over a seven footer. What were you 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:19.920 think you can that? 0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:20.279 Ship? 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:20.759 You can't? 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:24.759 So you know we're not. Yes, I don't want to 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:25.640 short change that. 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:33.560 He was seven to well, you know, ship talk ship, 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.120 but when he turned his head it put him to. 0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.280 Seven feet, So it was he was legit seven feet. 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:39.720 But so it happened. 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:41.240 You know, when you're playing in the in the again, 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.880 sometimes like shots are few and far between, and this 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:45.800 is all depends if you're unless you roll him. But 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:47.279 it was one of those things. He threw the ball 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:51.560 behind his back. I get to steal while everybody running transition. 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.560 I see it. I see the rip. I don't see him. 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:54.319 I see the rip. 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.160 So I said one two took a dribble, and I 0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:00.640 just I ain't paying attention to where I jumping from. 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.279 So you know the paint is different than the NBA. 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:03.839 It's different. 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.920 It's yeah, it's wider. So in my mind, so when 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.480 I jumped, I see him and all I remember, God's 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.279 my witness. All I remember is touching his shoulder with 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:17.200 my left arm. I'm focused on the rim because I 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:19.839 thought I jumped too far. So in my mind, I'm 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:21.799 thinking I'm about to get hung and make a spright 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.840 commercial bro Like I jumped too far. But I was 0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:26.799 just trying to get up before the defense get back. 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:28.600 You gotta pass it, set it up, blah blah blah. 0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.080 So I just attacked the rim. So when I jumped, 0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:32.879 I hit him. I ain't thinking about him, no, Moore, 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.320 I thought he moved out of the way or he 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:36.280 tried to take a charge. 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.640 Of fell down. Because I remember the initial ball and 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:40.160 that's it. I'm focused on the rim. 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:41.719 So when I get so, if you go back and 0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.400 look at it, I stretch out because I'm reaching for 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:46.040 the rim because I thought I was too far, but 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.600 I ended up dunking the ball with my wrists because 0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:53.160 I was I actually had enough you know, flight time, 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.000 you know what I'm saying. 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.200 I had some air mind, so I had enough. 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:00.360 So when I hit the rim my cell, when I 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.239 almost punched KG, I was celebrating that. 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.880 I wasn't celebrating that jumped over because I didn't know that. 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:06.080 That was my favorite. 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:07.719 That was my favorite part of the Dog seeing you 0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:12.719 and KG was because us right, we were celebrating two 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:13.520 totally different things. 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:16.120 That was crazy. 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.680 I was like, yeah, He's like yeah. 0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:21.840 I was like, yeah, But bro, I ain't know I 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.080 jumped over buddy until after the game. 0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:27.160 Could you after the game? 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.440 Not knowing you jumped over a seven footer? Seven to excuse? 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:35.800 I mean whatever, I didn't know. So the rest of 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.560 the game, nobody said a word. So I asked Steve Smith. 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:41.880 I said, Smitty, how come you ain't saying nothing? Like 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:43.759 nobody said nothing the rest of the game, and said, brother, 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:45.880 we still didn't believe you just jumped over a person. 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.239 Oh that means all right, that's fair. So after the game, 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.440 Gary Payton Homeboy showed me on the camp quarter. That's 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.560 when the little camp quarters just came out a little. 0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:58.440 Small man when Yeah, it just came out that summer 0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:02.000 and and that's I saw it. I watched it seven times. 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:03.480 Like wait, what that shit is? 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:03.799 Sick? 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:05.160 Yeah, epic? 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:07.719 Hey, I tried to jump over due six ' five 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.160 later on in the season, like in the middle of season, 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:11.719 couldn't do it. 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:12.839 Almost died. 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:14.840 Wow, almost killed both of us. 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:15.360 That serious. 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:30.160 Vince Carter comes in town second nineteen ninety eight, your 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:34.759 second year comes and takes the league by storm. That's 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:37.440 was that a rumor? Is that real life? Your cousin? 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:42.439 We're cousins, okay, our grandmothers, our grandmothers are related. 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.480 Okay to jumping as motherfuckers? 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:46.040 What was it like? 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.640 Nah, bro, that's that's next level. 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:50.960 You did that. 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:53.680 That's next level jumping ability right there. 0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:55.480 And what this man used to do? 0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:58.560 I mean, stat you say you played against the high 0:41:58.600 --> 0:41:59.919 school y'all played against the ice school. 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:04.239 No, but I seen him. I've seen him live in 0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:04.960 high school one. 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:08.080 So before I knew we were cousins, I played on 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.719 junior team Florida and he was on the other older team. 0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:14.960 He played before me. I played before him, and when 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:20.319 I so, yeah, this is this is before I knew 0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.560 we was related. I will play first and then our 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:23.600 team and sit and watch. 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:24.680 Bro. 0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:28.279 I Man, I ain't know a human can jump like this. 0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:28.560 Bro. 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.960 This man was going up pulling the ball, looking in 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.320 the basket and was just dropping it like that. He 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.320 was going up damn there, touching the backboard and just 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:40.400 dropping the ball like this. 0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:44.440 I'm like, oh my god, skilled, crazy. 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:49.360 So I had a good relationship with our coach. I 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.120 was like, Bro, we got to get Vince Carter. Bro, 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:53.720 we got it good and he was the most skilled. 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:58.160 And to have us too as two wings at that time, mean, 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.640 it was crazy what we could do accomplished along. 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.719 With the Vets what we had and we drafted vents man. 0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:07.600 Vince came in there and he was ship. 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.120 He was doing was just unbelievable. 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:09.520 Bro. 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:18.919 That windmill he did baseline against Indiana on Oh my god, 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:20.839 Oh my god, that man. 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.480 He had us jumping. He had us jumping out of 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:25.080 our seats. 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.160 We were fans, so I can only imagine how some 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:31.200 of the dudes felt that playing against me and some 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:31.840 of the ship I was. 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:34.200 I was a fan. I know that was my cousin, 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:34.800 my teammate. 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:35.320 God damn it. 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:36.520 I was a fan bro. 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:39.680 He was in rad Over that ship. 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:52.160 Was incredible to see what he was doing. Man, it 0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:53.600 was the first time for everything. 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:57.840 So like it's anyone, did anyone dunk on you that season? 0:43:58.120 --> 0:43:59.400 You get dunked on by anybody? 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.200 Yeah, he's a shot, he's a shot blocker. 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.160 What I'm saying, That's why I know he'd be going 0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:08.239 up in contested. That's why I'm saying. It's only you know, 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:09.840 it's a matter of time. You go block enough, but 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:10.880 you're gonna ge dunked on too. 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:11.759 Yeah. 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:16.040 Probably it's probably something I can't. I don't. 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:17.160 I don't remember them. 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:18.480 It's hard for me to remember him. 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.839 And I ain't even bullshit because I really would say, 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:23.680 I really really because I do block a lot. 0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:25.480 So it is going to happen. 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.920 But when it happens, it just like I just be, 0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:29.960 I'll be forgetting it. 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:31.160 Ain't it can't be old. 0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:36.680 I mean I don't even want to sure enough. 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:37.560 I mean. 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:43.560 Belicia, Belicia Ductum. 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:44.359 Yeah. 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:47.040 See it's the what you wouldn't expect. It's not the 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:47.920 hind Flowers. 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:48.239 Yeah. 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:51.680 In the Sacramento I banged on him the first half. 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.919 I went left, banged on him, talking crazy my bench, 0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:56.040 I'm talking crazy. 0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:57.040 And then in the. 0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.080 Fourth quarter, you know what, I'm down. 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.640 Then it gives me the whole crowd remembers and they're 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:02.440 going crazy. 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.200 And then I got subbed out. 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:06.719 Right then, I'm like, that's the worst. It was an 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.880 one oh, and you got supped out. I got subbed 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:13.600 out for like, that's the worst nine minutes. I got 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.800 supped out so long that they put me in to 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:19.080 like be on the ball at the end of the game. 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:21.960 Like I got subbed out for a minute that game randomly, 0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:26.520 Like I was like, man, like, damn, but where that 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:27.480 shot I remember. 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:28.920 I think that's why I remember that. 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:29.879 That one was weird. 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:43.680 You average twenty ten right at the gate? Yo, I 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:48.640 was twenty one, yeah at the gate? Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.080 Well that year. What do you think was your welcome 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.680 to the NBA moment, m J. 0:45:58.200 --> 0:45:59.759 We're just gonna say, we're gonna stark calling me. 0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:07.760 Yeah, it was when he dumped on me. He dumped 0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.279 on me, screamed, he flexed his scream. I was like, 0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:14.320 Manna blocked a bunch of shots, you know, he came on. 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:17.800 It was like, I mean, the roar after he dunked 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.800 on me. Man I was like, okay, at home or Chicago. 0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:23.120 I was at home. He got good. 0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:31.239 Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm blaming Kingdom Guild for that. Yeah. 0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:36.439 Was always talking talking ship to Mike and I'm like Mike, 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:39.799 I'm like you, He's gonna blow past you. He coming 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:42.239 at me, Yeah, go at me. 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.560 You played at raindo beach Hied produced a number players 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:58.680 such as Doug Christi, Nate Robinson, Kevin Port, and Deontay Mary. 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.160 Who are your teammates? You any stories around the time 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:01.879 when he was playing there? 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.000 Nate Nate was my the one I played with. So 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:08.359 Deui was ten years ahead of us, and then Nate 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.000 was in the same era as me. So I was 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:12.520 a senior, he was a freshman, and Nate was the 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:15.759 same way he is right now, Like six in the morning, 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:18.040 six in the morning, condition everybody like, man, what were 0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:20.520 we doing here? Nate's up there, laughing, getting everybody in trouble, 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.439 running around acting the food. So I remember one game. 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.120 I remember one game Nate threw me a live and 0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.239 it was it was a badass lib. It ain't the 0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:29.880 way I should have caught it, but you know, sometimes 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.400 you throw the bad live that created the best jumps 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.320 and so he threw the lib. I had to stretch 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.160 all the way back and I got it in this 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.040 like I thought I was gonna fall forward. I just 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.080 felt all off found. But I dumped it and Nate 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.279 was laughing like I set you up ball, you know, Nate, and. 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.200 I was I was like, damn, I did that. 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:48.719 Man, I feel like I did a summer so I 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:50.520 ain't never doing that again. So I just think I 0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:52.520 kept my game on the ground. After that, I was like, man, 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:53.440 I'm cool, You're crazy. 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:53.759 Dog. 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:58.359 Nate is a proud a food man, a food full 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:00.880 time walking muscle. 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:03.640 Yes, yeah, yeah, he don't get hurt. He brought a 0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:04.160 new muscle. 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.520 I'll tell you all the time, if anybody could have 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:10.239 played football, it's Nate. 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:12.800 Motherfucking ass so stack he was. 0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.719 He was basketball player, State Player the Year his senior year, 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.760 football state player of the Year, and own the record 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.200 for the hurdles and track all the same year. Like 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:23.120 he really could have did anything he wanted to do. 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:26.920 Yeah, he's one of the greatest athletes ever ever ever 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:27.720 by far. 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:41.120 Me and Kobe had issues because hell, he older than me. 0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:45.520 I'm young's you got two alpha males. I'm a young 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.520 when he old, when he won his way, and I'm shit, 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:49.960 I'm happy, go lucky, and I don't want my way, 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:52.760 but in a happy way. I'm having fun, Like shouldn't 0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:54.520 give me the ball, I'm gonna go dunk on this nigga. 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:58.120 But we just didn't have a chance to really build it, 0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:00.719 build it like we wanted to, you know what I'm saying. 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.640 And it wasn't meant to happen, you know, looking back 0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.040 on it, and I wish it happened, but it wasn't 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:06.480 meant to happen. 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:09.080 To the relationship with him, you know, I got a 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:10.840 chance to play with him and know his mindset and 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:12.440 know how he moved. But then got a chance to 0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:16.120 play with you and know how you're serious but you 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:18.480 could smile and laugh and he's not like. 0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:18.960 That at all. 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:19.319 Yeah. 0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.160 Yeah, talk to us about that. And was there it 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.160 ever an understanding or what was it like working with him? 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:26.440 Because you only got a year with him. 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:30.040 I don't think it was the understanding that we could 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:33.840 have that we could should have. Yeah, with time, because 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:36.560 there was so many expectations and I'm going through my 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:39.840 own ship with trying to recover from this back surgery 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:45.279 and then tear my labor room. And it's like, man, 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.440 how do I deal with somebody that I grew up 0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:51.960 watching as a child. But now we teammates. We just 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:54.960 played each other in the finals, right literally, so like 0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:58.560 we got this rivalry, like I want to beat his ass, 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.000 but now we teammates. It was like, Ship, I can't 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:04.960 do that no more. Uh, but it's Kobe Bryant. You 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:06.640 know what I'm saying. He don't know I want to 0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:07.359 get his ass back. 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:10.880 He dunked on you, tough bro, Ship, I forgot about that. 0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:12.440 You really had to do all that? 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:14.799 Yeah, because that was that was That was for real. 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:16.680 That was one of the one. But for real, you 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:18.839 didn't got other people, but for real, that was one 0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:19.279 of the ones. 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:21.480 The whole time he was over here, laid back. 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:25.400 Yeah you know, oh he talked on you and Ship, that. 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:28.080 Was that was one of the one. You didn't pay 0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:30.600 people back on a hundred times worse, but that was one. 0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:31.440 Of the ones. He did. 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:33.399 I see it now. 0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:38.080 He dumped out of my ass. 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.560 But I was young, and really I was what happened 0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:44.320 was I didn't think he was gonna dunk because I 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:47.640 ain't know he was. I ain't know the rookie year 0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:49.480 of second It was my rookie year, so I thought 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:51.319 he was finna come over and do like a pull 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:55.600 up on the last I was that was eight Kobe. 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:58.080 Yeah, so you he was dunking everything. I didn't know 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.880 until he found out he was dunking everything. He split 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:05.560 It was Pat Garret and Deshaun Stevens. He split the 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:08.040 pick a roll and I jump over, come through like 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.880 that like I was gone. I don't know what the 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.920 funk I was seeing. And so then I closed my 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:18.560 eyes too, and all I heard was booming. 0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:22.520 Oh, I said, oh. 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:30.960 So then uh, Brian Grant Uh, he said, welcome to 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:31.960 the league, young fella. 0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:35.279 I said, oh shit, Kobe got me. 0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:38.000 And then right after that, my homeboy, it was my birthday, 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:41.320 so he made a cake with Kobe dunking on me. 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:44.719 Everywhere I was at I got seeing the picture of 0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:47.040 Kobe dunking on me, and it was like. 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:52.040 Me and Kobe always there's some bullshit. We always been connected. 0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:55.360 Every picture out of the seat, I'm in. 0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:59.240 The background, like, fuck you, Kobe dunking the ass. 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:00.920 Now I'm in all your pictures in the back like 0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:03.480 but yeah, man, rest of. 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:18.280 You had that one dunk on old boys at Kansas. Yeah, charge, 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:19.560 I was probably one of the worst. 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:20.000 Right here. 0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:22.960 That was what do you see when you see young 0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:23.640 kd right here? 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:25.480 What do you think Will used to fly? 0:52:25.800 --> 0:52:26.000 Yeah? 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.080 I used to. I used to get off, to really 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:28.839 get up in the air. 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:34.120 They called that a charge. The dude didn't fall anything 0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.279 like that. But it's Kansas and Lawrence. You know they're 0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:41.160 gonna cheat. Who is that thirty two who never been 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:45.560 heard from this shanty Johnson or something like that. I 0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:46.560 don't want to butcher the brothers. 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.000 Look, I couldn't believe it. 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:50.960 I was like, you trying to. 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:52.000 See if we go to the league. 0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:55.719 Yeah. 0:52:57.800 --> 0:52:58.120 Yeah. 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:10.759 How long did it take Kareem to adjust to what 0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:11.600 you were selling? 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:12.080 Yeah? 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:16.080 It took him all season that first year. First of all, 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:18.520 they thought I was coming in to take over the team, 0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.200 and I told him on first day of training camp, 0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.160 I said, listen, man, I'm here to help you. 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:26.239 I said, where do you like the ball? 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:27.040 He said what? 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:28.640 I said, what do you like the ball? 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:30.680 I said, you like it high? 0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:32.200 You like it in the middle of your chest. You 0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:32.759 like it low? 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:34.480 He said, no, I like it high. I said, that's 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:37.960 where it'll be every single time. I said, I'm here 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:43.520 to help you be more successful. So that first game, 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:46.759 he hits a sky hook from the free throw line, 0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:50.799 now not from down low, from the free throw line 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:52.440 to win the game in San Diego. 0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:53.400 So I go running. 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:57.719 I jumped, and I'm hold choking them and hugging them. 0:53:58.239 --> 0:53:59.960 And I didn't let go for about two or three 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:02.600 minutes because I've never seen a shot like that game, 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.040 when a shot like that, So he got me to 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:09.400 the locker room, rookie, come here, don't. 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:09.920 Ever do that. 0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:13.479 We have eighty one more games to go. We can't 0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:15.000 be this high after game one. 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:19.200 So all the players now are looking so now I 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:20.240 gotta make a condition. 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:20.719 That's right. 0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:22.840 So everybody's looking at me in the locker room, like 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:25.560 what you're gonna do, rookie. So I turned around, said, 0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:27.160 you hit a shot like that eighty. 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:28.520 One more time. You know he taller than me. 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:32.520 I'm gonna jump in your arms eighty one more time. 0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:36.560 And that showed him that I wasn't gonna change. You 0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:40.080 can't intimidate me, and I wasn't gonna change. I'm gonna 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.799 be who I am while I let you be who 0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:46.960 you are. So them first fifty games. You know, all 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:49.360 the other fellas. We high five and chest bump and 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:54.240 we having fun. He would score just one down, we scored. 0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:58.680 We hot each other, show about it. Right when the 0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:02.320 playoffs started, he did a hard dunk on somebody, so 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:04.680 he came out looking for somebody. 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:10.120 He wanted. 0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:20.920 We were like, oh, so it was a beautiful thing man, 0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:24.080 to see him enjoy hisself. So what did he say 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:28.000 to me? Just recently at the we had to Showtime 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:32.800 reunion in Hawaii? He said, Irvin, you showed me that 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:35.560 I could show my emotion and enjoy it. 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:36.920 The game you changed me. 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:50.160 Give me your five your list of your five most 0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:52.200 ferocious dunkers of all time. 0:55:54.040 --> 0:56:04.920 Man said Daryl Dawkins. You know, people forget about chocolate, chocolate, 0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:08.600 and he was naming and dunk. He was dunking the 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:12.759 break breaking back boys, and you never really heard about it. 0:56:12.760 --> 0:56:15.800 But Dryl Dawkins, doctor Duncanstein. 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:19.399 Not Duncan Steyn or Terrence Stansbury, A lot of these 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:20.920 old guys, but these are the guys I used to 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:26.600 watch dunk and and basketball. David Thompson. David Thompson was 0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:28.240 one of the baddest, coldest donkeys. 0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:28.960 Ever, he. 0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:33.359 Was glad from the freak dunk in the sideways dunk 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:41.359 two balls at one time. Come on, man, absolutely, absolutely absolutely, 0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:45.560 you know. You know I realized that I could jump 0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:47.680 in high school when I could touch the top of 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:53.359 the back boys. Yeah, once I could do that off 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:56.359 a vertical leap. And my coach would have this drill 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:59.520 where I would have to do a drop step, touch 0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:02.319 the back board, top the top of the backboard. One 0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:05.200 of the other supposed to drop step, touch the top 0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:07.239 of the backboard again, so you have to do this 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:10.239 consecutive times, man. And like I said, it was just 0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:14.080 it was great. It just made me strong. Absolutely did 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:14.840 you did you get it? 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:18.600 Uh huh besides yourself there? 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:25.560 Oh, and I'm gonna say, uh Shack, No, I mean 0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:28.520 Shack is you know shock Shack is a different beast. 0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:34.720 Dominique Dominique Wilkins. Man, Domini Dominique Wilkins. If you if 0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:38.080 you watch me dunk, you gotta you gotta see a 0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:40.800 little Dominique insign me. I was one of them young 0:57:40.880 --> 0:57:46.560 kids that was watching the TVs who were doing Yeah yeah, man, 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:49.720 we said it was like Dominicq Wilkie show. You know, 0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:52.440 ship Dominice got thats curl up in his head. Let's 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:55.960 go watch Dominique Wilkins man and so absolutely Dominicque Wilkins. 0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:58.000 But I got a chance to play against him though, right, yeah, 0:57:58.800 --> 0:57:59.920 how cold was he? Man? 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:02.240 He was a cold and I'm gonna tell you all 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:04.680 this man, Dominique was so cold when he towards the Chilles. 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:07.600 He still came back dropping fifties and forties on people. 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:08.560 People forget that. 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:20.240 I got a chance to play with Chris Paul and 0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:23.360 was a part of Lop City, and just seeing Blake 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:25.640 and DeAndre and the ship they used to do used 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:28.520 to awe me. But you arguably played with one of 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:33.000 the best dunkers of all time in Sean Kemp. All 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:34.680 you had to do is throw that shit out in 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:38.720 the atmosphere. I motherfucker's gonna come catching and dunk on somebody. Shit. 0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:42.080 Man, that was the greatest feeling ever man, because men 0:58:42.160 --> 0:58:45.040 and me and Sean always had a thank for the 0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:48.960 thing to say. He'd be like, oh, and once as 0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:51.320 soon as I steal the ball, he'll be come behind me. 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:54.040 He be like, WHOA, And I know you there, and. 0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:57.200 I just throw that thing up and I might sometimes 0:58:57.280 --> 0:59:00.120 I might sometimes miss, well I'm throwing the ball, but 0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:04.040 he'll come flying man, Braddy thanking or Bob and then 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:05.560 you know how he at the food. 0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:07.960 He started pointing at people in how you know how 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:09.400 he get to do it all? 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:09.960 Listen? 0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:13.960 You know, So it was at the fund with him, man, 0:59:14.040 --> 0:59:16.720 because he made it entertaining when he dunk on you 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:19.560 and then they'll be coming and slapping him high five. 0:59:19.640 --> 0:59:21.920 I was like, may y'all crazy, the mother, y'all, just 0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:25.320 y'all on a highlight film. Man, y'all on sports Center 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:27.560 because you know, we had the top the top ten 0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:28.520 sports center there at that. 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:32.080 Time, because we used to run home to see. 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.960 Who made the top ten and the sports center and 0:59:35.080 --> 0:59:37.480 you know, we used to go to Man and you know, 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:39.480 we used to go to foot locker and you can 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:41.960 get a poster with you getting dunked on too, So 0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:42.919 you know what I'm saying. 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:44.400 So that was called. 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:46.760 Yeah. 0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:47.200 Yeah. 0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:02.680 Every era of the NBA had as those those stars, 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:07.360 those personalities, those talents that that you wonder, are we 1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:09.800 ever going to see this again? Because I can remember 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:14.400 I can remember watching Michael and Niek have some unbelievable, 1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:19.240 you know battles. You know, and both of them coming 1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:22.040 up with stuff. He said, man, I'll never see somebody 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:28.600 do that in mid air again. And then here comes Kobe, here, 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.600 here comes so many guys who were you know, the 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:36.200 things that dropped your jaw back then, Evince, Yeah, you 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:39.320 were saying, we're seeing that. Yeah, and you're seeing it 1:00:39.440 --> 1:00:41.800 on a nightly basis. You're seeing it in February games. 1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:43.440 You're seeing a guy come up and do something and 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:46.080 how did that go in? And and there was a 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:48.200 time you thought I'll never see anybody do that, and 1:00:48.320 --> 1:00:50.440 now you see it a lot, and and just the 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:54.600 athleticism in the league has I don't know where it 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:58.720 goes from here, guys, I mean, I don't. You see 1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:02.840 so many things on a nightly basis that really defy description, 1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:04.960 but you kind of get used to seeing them. 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:08.200 Now we're spoiled. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I think 1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:10.240 it's I mean, to me, the dunk contest is so 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:12.200 hard because what can you really do from here? I 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:14.680 mean with Zach Lavine and Aaron Gordon and Vince and 1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:17.560 all these dunks, like you've got to almost kill yourself 1:01:17.640 --> 1:01:20.680 to do something amazing. And then, like you said, too, 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:25.960 now we're seeing some of these Challenge competition dunks in games. Yeah, 1:01:25.960 --> 1:01:28.320 they're getting it off in games. You're like, what the hell, Like, 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.040 what is Vince Carter out here doing? Yeah, no, that's 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:33.160 and that I think. 1:01:33.240 --> 1:01:36.040 You know, the Vince in Oakland in two thousand, that 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:39.240 was my favorite because it's the first time I ever 1:01:39.280 --> 1:01:41.320 heard an arena at All Star Weekend sound like a 1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:44.680 playoff game. I mean when Vince did his thing and 1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:47.040 did it all on the first try, right right, and 1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:51.640 he did it so so effortlessly, the building erupted. It 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:53.440 was like somebody had hit a game winner. 1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:55.000 And you know, and. 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:59.520 From that height, you know that now you've had Yeah, 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:03.040 you mentioned Aaron Gordon and Zach Lavine. I mean, they 1:02:03.080 --> 1:02:07.160 came up with some great stuff. But what is I mean, 1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:10.000 what can you do anymore than nobody has ever seen? 1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:12.880 It's all just kind of a little variation, a little 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:13.920 spin off of that. 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:14.560 You know. 1:02:14.640 --> 1:02:17.360 And if you say, wait, that was pretty original, I said, no, really, 1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:20.040 that looked like what he did in twenty fifteen. 1:02:30.280 --> 1:02:32.920 Are you believe you changed the dunk contest forever? Now 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:35.200 we can talk about Mike's dunk from the free throw 1:02:35.280 --> 1:02:37.800 line and all the dunks in the history, but you 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:40.080 came in and did some shit we had never seen. 1:02:40.160 --> 1:02:43.320 I remember, I've been fucking study hall at UCLA and 1:02:43.400 --> 1:02:45.600 the dunk contest is coming on. So somehow I got 1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:47.880 the fucking lady to bring a TV and study hall 1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:51.200 and we watched you in Oracle Arena change the dunk 1:02:51.240 --> 1:02:53.760 contest forever. How did you? I mean, you did dunks 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:55.560 we never seen? Did you prep? How did you know 1:02:55.680 --> 1:02:57.280 what you were gonna do? Talk to us about that. 1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:00.440 So leading up to it, first of all, all it 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:03.000 took the Act of Congress to get tam Mac to 1:03:03.040 --> 1:03:04.040 do it because he didn't want to do it. 1:03:04.160 --> 1:03:05.920 People don't know that, Like he put on the hell 1:03:05.960 --> 1:03:07.440 of a show himself and he did not want to 1:03:07.480 --> 1:03:07.640 do it. 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:09.680 Who else in that dunk contest? People, that was a 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:16.160 good dunk count It was Ricky Davis, see Frankie stack House. 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:20.320 I'm forgetting. That's That's all the way that I can 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:23.800 think of right now. That's it was crazy and Tam 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:27.320 Mac and and him, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was. 1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:28.000 It was crazy. 1:03:28.080 --> 1:03:29.560 But I was just like, bro, we could go ahead 1:03:29.560 --> 1:03:31.520 and put to run on the map, and you know, 1:03:31.760 --> 1:03:33.200 we could show what we could do because like we 1:03:33.280 --> 1:03:35.360 fooled around, like we were fooling around with different stuff. 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:37.440 I remember in San Antonio at a practice one day, 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:39.720 we were just going crazy, throwing the ball all over 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:41.920 the gym off one bounce and just doing crazy stuff, 1:03:41.920 --> 1:03:44.880 just trying to figure stuff out. So we had an 1:03:44.960 --> 1:03:47.840 awful trip there. Our car didn't pick us up on time, 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:50.800 so we missed our practice leading up to the contest, 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:53.520 so we never got the practice. Our practice was the 1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:56.360 layup line or whatever, the warm up line right before 1:03:56.400 --> 1:03:58.280 this contest started, so we never got the practice. 1:03:58.840 --> 1:04:00.880 And my rootie that I was gonna do. 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:05.000 I saw all these people man and sitting around you 1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:07.000 see all the stars and everything, and I was all 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:09.920 of us bro I was like this, this routine is 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:13.280 not good enough. So I scrapped all of that in 1:04:13.360 --> 1:04:15.560 the layup line. It took I was so hype. It 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:17.960 took me everything not to do my dunk routine in 1:04:18.040 --> 1:04:20.800 the layup line. I was just so hyped, like I've 1:04:20.840 --> 1:04:25.000 been looking for fly, just fly, that's it. I'm ready 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.720 to show everybody what I could do. Like I take 1:04:28.000 --> 1:04:31.280 for all my high school and in middle school. I 1:04:31.320 --> 1:04:34.360 didn't care about watching Sunday the All Star game. I 1:04:34.480 --> 1:04:38.040 just wanted to tape and watch the gunk contest on Saturday, 1:04:38.080 --> 1:04:39.480 and I'm like, bro, I'm finally here. 1:04:39.800 --> 1:04:41.600 I ain't about to blow this, but I'm about to 1:04:41.680 --> 1:04:45.040 go ham. So when I got out there, I saw 1:04:45.080 --> 1:04:49.280 all these people, man, and my energy and my drilling 1:04:49.440 --> 1:04:53.600 was on ten thousand, bro, So I scrapped it. 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:55.840 And so I was just trying to figure out what 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:58.360 to do. So that first dunk, the reverse three sixty, 1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:03.600 I had tried, o God, So I tried that dunk 1:05:03.680 --> 1:05:05.440 and barely made it when I was practicing. So I 1:05:05.720 --> 1:05:07.880 originally I had scrapped that already. But when I got 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:09.640 out there, I saw all these people and I saw 1:05:09.760 --> 1:05:12.040 Towrn there. I was like, bro, watch this, what are 1:05:12.040 --> 1:05:12.440 you about to do? 1:05:12.760 --> 1:05:16.280 I was like, you walked into that motherfucker perfect too, right, 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:18.760 we just walked into that mother plane. 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:19.480 Hey. 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:21.280 But I was just so I was so hyped. 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:22.040 So that's why. 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:24.040 So if you notice, remember when I dunked the ball, 1:05:24.240 --> 1:05:26.800 boom and go through, and I was so hyped my 1:05:27.000 --> 1:05:29.240 second bounce, I probably could have did a windmill, you know, 1:05:30.120 --> 1:05:32.520 Like I was just so high because I had never 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:35.560 accomplished that dunk like that before but that was all. 1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:39.080 Adrenaline, that was all the dread motherfucker. Oh yeah. 1:05:39.280 --> 1:05:43.080 So every in between every dunk, I was just old, 1:05:43.280 --> 1:05:45.320 just like just trying to figure out what next, what next? 1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:46.120 What's what next? 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:48.920 So I did the one step one eighty windmal but 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:51.120 I wanted to show everybody, like, you know, you didn't 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:55.240 see many people jumping the other way, And I talked myself, right, 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:57.840 So I had taught myself how to jump the dude 1:05:57.840 --> 1:06:00.840 the reverse three sixty and just practiced practice practice until 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:04.040 I got it to this day, Like if you asked 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:06.120 me to do a dunk, I would do a reverse 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:08.200 three sixty before I do the regular. 1:06:08.120 --> 1:06:11.040 Because I cannot. I can't go the other way anymore, 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:14.440 like I can't, I can't, I can't. Just makes no 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:14.880 sense of me. 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:17.480 It's so it's crazy you get lost in your old 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:18.360 age the other way. 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:20.840 I get lost, absolutely, but I can't do it, like 1:06:20.960 --> 1:06:23.160 I'll barely make it. So that's why I wanted to 1:06:23.200 --> 1:06:25.720 show just obviously going against the grain, obviously a full 1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:28.520 extended windmill blah blah blah whatever. And I didn't even 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:29.919 know if I was gonna get that high, but whatever. 1:06:30.240 --> 1:06:31.760 So with the one adi dug. I wanted to show 1:06:31.760 --> 1:06:33.840 that I could take one step out of the baseline 1:06:34.680 --> 1:06:36.280 sar to the front of the rim while doing the 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:38.960 extended windmill and boom throw it through. 1:06:39.040 --> 1:06:39.640 So I didn't get it. 1:06:39.760 --> 1:06:42.080 I didn't get intention for Kenny Smith, you know, which 1:06:42.240 --> 1:06:45.440 kind of bothered me. Hey yeah, but he was like, oh, 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:48.400 you set the bar too high. Well walking on the court. 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:51.360 That's the last thing. That's the last thing I said 1:06:51.400 --> 1:06:55.280 to myself before my first dunk, I said, show up 1:06:55.360 --> 1:06:58.800 or show out, And that used to be our terminology 1:06:58.920 --> 1:07:00.919 in the band before. You know, obviously in the South, 1:07:00.960 --> 1:07:03.400 the band is huge, so we're gonna show up and 1:07:03.400 --> 1:07:05.440 show out. So I was like, you know, this is 1:07:05.480 --> 1:07:08.440 my chance to show the world my imagination and what 1:07:08.560 --> 1:07:10.000 I be thinking about in my head when it. 1:07:10.000 --> 1:07:10.520 Comes to done. 1:07:22.440 --> 1:07:24.360 What is your favorite All Star moment? 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:30.360 Favorite All Star moment vents sitting on the floor, believe 1:07:30.400 --> 1:07:35.840 it or not, I got that footage to y'all know, yeah, no, no, 1:07:36.080 --> 1:07:40.160 can't see it. Come see me, motherfuckers. Think y'all getting 1:07:40.160 --> 1:07:43.160 this ship for free. Y'all kissed my eyes right, going 1:07:43.240 --> 1:07:46.760 that ink holler right, But I got that. That was 1:07:46.760 --> 1:07:49.240 probably one of my favorite because all my friends. There's 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:51.800 probably two couple of rolls and we got to see that, 1:07:51.920 --> 1:07:53.480 and it was the first time the world got to 1:07:53.560 --> 1:07:56.560 really see Vents like we knew Vents in high school, 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:58.440 grew up with Da da YadA, and for him to 1:07:58.560 --> 1:08:01.320 like put that on display like that and just give 1:08:01.400 --> 1:08:05.520 us some unbelievable A lot of people don't know Tracy 1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:08.320 and Steve too. Stacy and Stevens on that too, you 1:08:08.360 --> 1:08:09.919 know what I'm saying. That was one of the better 1:08:10.000 --> 1:08:12.920 before Zach and Gordon. 1:08:13.040 --> 1:08:13.160 Uh. 1:08:13.680 --> 1:08:16.000 That was probably my favorite. That was probably my favorite. 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:17.519 Uh dunk I test some time. 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:20.160 But out of all the stuff, men, I've always been 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:23.280 able to pull some out of each All Star Game. 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:25.479 One of my favorites was coming out. 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:26.519 I was getting ready to. 1:08:28.439 --> 1:08:30.040 I was leaving the All Star Game and I had 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:31.720 a bag of stuff and I was coming out and 1:08:31.840 --> 1:08:35.040 Craig Sager needed an interview for his clothes out and 1:08:35.120 --> 1:08:36.400 I didn't want to do it, and I was trying to, 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:37.960 you know, we didn't hit back. Look like you know, 1:08:38.040 --> 1:08:39.560 like you know how you play shadow. He's trying to 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:41.760 get by somebody. I'm like, trade what you're doing. I 1:08:41.800 --> 1:08:42.559 gotta catch my plane. 1:08:42.560 --> 1:08:43.200 Get the fuck out. 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:46.280 Here, YadA ya dah. So my assistant shout the bill. 1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:48.960 I call him shitty. I threw shitty the bag and said, yo, shitt. 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:50.880 He takes this to the planet and I'm trying to 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:52.679 get out, and he said, Yo, just give me two sagas. 1:08:52.720 --> 1:08:53.240 I need an hour. 1:08:53.240 --> 1:08:54.439 I said, get the fuck out of my way, and 1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:56.960 I kind of pushed him, you know, I kind of 1:08:57.000 --> 1:08:59.000 gave him some whatever, and he was like, man, I 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:00.880 saw how he lost it on. Man, fuck it, come on, 1:09:01.240 --> 1:09:03.560 and and I was I'm just gonna say whatever I 1:09:03.600 --> 1:09:05.200 want to say. Okay, just give me this. I just 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:07.280 need thirty seconds to get out of okay, okay, okay 1:09:07.320 --> 1:09:09.240 and go. And then I saw what he had on. 1:09:09.400 --> 1:09:14.479 I looked and I said, hold on, hold on. So look, 1:09:14.520 --> 1:09:16.360 you know, I never try to go at you, right, like, 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:18.800 what the fuck? Like really, what the fuck is this dog? 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:19.680 Like? 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:21.639 Really you came to the game like this dog? 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:23.439 And he was trying to get the interview. 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:25.360 I was like, nah, fuck all that lo no burn, 1:09:25.439 --> 1:09:28.160 all this ship, everything, the green thron to all this 1:09:28.360 --> 1:09:32.000 and all of it, yo, and kind of gave him 1:09:32.000 --> 1:09:33.439 a little sound about you and say it what up? 1:09:33.680 --> 1:09:35.000 But and then got out of that and I turned 1:09:35.000 --> 1:09:36.200 around and I was like, gave me shot. 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:47.800 So you went five dunk contests, one, two, the Home 1:09:47.880 --> 1:09:50.160 Cooking you should have won three the Home cooking and 1:09:50.240 --> 1:09:53.519 eighty eight for Chicago when Mike won his What were 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:55.599 those what were those dunk contents? You know that's back 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:57.360 when the stars the best player. 1:09:57.400 --> 1:09:58.680 We wanted to know who the best was. 1:09:58.680 --> 1:09:59.640 I don't think I want to know. 1:09:59.600 --> 1:10:02.720 Who the They're scared enough, they scared to lose, you. 1:10:02.760 --> 1:10:05.760 Know, they're afraid to look. I think it's gonna you know, 1:10:06.120 --> 1:10:08.840 interfare with your legacy or whatever. The fact that they're 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:11.240 still talking about Jordan and Michael dunk contest. 1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:14.600 Thirty five years Lateacy tell you his greatest. 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:17.840 Dunk contest, right, because you had great players going head 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:23.479 up and that one in Chicago was that was that 1:10:23.600 --> 1:10:25.920 was a great dunk contest. And it was funny because 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:28.519 after he said, Nick, you know you know you want, 1:10:28.600 --> 1:10:30.720 I know you want in Chicago. What can I say? 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:32.759 I said, well, take you give me the twenty five Grandy. 1:10:36.920 --> 1:10:38.400 But it's about two years ago. 1:10:38.520 --> 1:10:38.680 Man. 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:41.680 I went to greet him and his wife and were 1:10:41.680 --> 1:10:43.559 sitting at the table and I went to say hello, 1:10:43.720 --> 1:10:46.719 he said, you know, you want that dunk contest, that said, how. 1:10:46.640 --> 1:10:47.280 Are you doing, Mike? 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:47.880 You're doing good. 1:10:49.080 --> 1:10:51.680 But the fact that you know, he acknowledged that a 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:52.400 few times. 1:10:52.520 --> 1:10:55.320 Man, it's it's special. So for me, it isn't about. 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:59.560 Who want to a loss, you know, competitive because it 1:10:59.640 --> 1:11:02.240 speaks to your greatness man, you know. And we never 1:11:02.360 --> 1:11:04.479 talked about it. We never talked about who won or lost. 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:06.680 It was kind of unspoken rule with us. 1:11:07.000 --> 1:11:09.800 But she was doing dunk contest, dunks and. 1:11:10.000 --> 1:11:11.800 Games, well, he would both of us. 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:15.640 None of us ever went, you know, when we were 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:17.920 going to dunk contest, never went to a gym doing 1:11:18.000 --> 1:11:21.120 some stuff. And I never practiced those dunks, not once. 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:23.360 Some of the dunks I thought as the contest went on, 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:25.479 like the one I threw off the glass when of 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:29.200 the gott women. I've never done that one before. I 1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:31.519 just knew, I said, with jumping a billy, if you 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:34.800 catch it right hard, yeah, this dunk the hall as 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:38.040 you can, you know. And so I never worked on 1:11:38.080 --> 1:11:38.960 that stuff, and neither did he. 1:11:39.720 --> 1:11:40.200 Neither did he. 1:11:40.479 --> 1:11:43.080 I would love to see y'all having one on one 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:46.160 to talk about like magic and uh Isaiah did. I'd 1:11:46.200 --> 1:11:48.439 love to see you and Mike, because you might be 1:11:49.439 --> 1:11:51.479 the person gave Mike the most work in his career. 1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:52.640 We went at it. 1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:54.240 I know that we went at it, you know, and 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:56.120 the thing that we have so much respect for on 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:58.080 it one thing that's what I love about it. One 1:11:58.120 --> 1:12:00.519 thing he said, Man, and I looked at it. I'm like, wow, 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:04.280 he actually believed that. He said, you know, when I 1:12:04.439 --> 1:12:08.280 was going against Nick, he said Nick was amazing. I 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:12.120 just tried to be as amazing. And I said special. Wow, 1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:16.560 that's pretty special what he said. You know, every but 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:20.960 it just showed me that how special our relationship was, 1:12:21.120 --> 1:12:22.120 you know, as competitors. 1:12:31.680 --> 1:12:36.360 Nineteen ninety four Slam Duck Chim the East Bay funk 1:12:36.479 --> 1:12:36.880 is born. 1:12:37.840 --> 1:12:40.280 Talk to me about that, bro, I've been doing that dunk. 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:42.120 It's like ninth grade, you know what I mean. I 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:45.640 was doing that dunk ninth grade. So it was just 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:49.240 something from from from wayback for me. Everybody was doing 1:12:49.320 --> 1:12:53.360 Dominique Jordan's, you know, doing they dunks. So you know, 1:12:54.080 --> 1:12:57.400 one day I tried and got close, so I was like, oh, 1:12:57.439 --> 1:12:59.160 I'm gonna have that, and then I had it in 1:12:59.280 --> 1:12:59.720 like a week. 1:13:00.280 --> 1:13:01.720 So I was doing like people that know me. 1:13:01.760 --> 1:13:03.320 Go old school with me, that went to school with me. 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:05.559 Know, I've been doing that done since like fourteen fifteen, 1:13:05.880 --> 1:13:07.799 you know what I mean, the Boys Club dunk contest 1:13:07.920 --> 1:13:09.680 Chris Mulin when he played for the Warrior judge the 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:12.800 dunk contest. When I was a youngster at the Boys Club, 1:13:12.880 --> 1:13:14.640 I did that dunk. But with that being said, I 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:17.320 just kept it going, brought it to college. You know, 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:19.519 I freaked it in college and want to college dunk contest, 1:13:19.560 --> 1:13:21.720 and they was like, okay, you know what I mean. 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:23.719 And then you know when I got to the NBA stage, 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:26.160 obviously went to a tremendous level. 1:13:26.680 --> 1:13:28.880 Man, that's just old school. That's that neighborhood stuff, you 1:13:28.960 --> 1:13:29.360 know what I mean. 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:31.120 Yeah, I mean you was. 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:33.960 Going, you was going between the legs and you know 1:13:33.960 --> 1:13:36.760 what I mean, like you said in high school and 1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:38.640 then in the pros you did it. What do you 1:13:38.680 --> 1:13:41.320 think about the creativity? So, you know to this point, 1:13:41.360 --> 1:13:43.400 because all these dunks have been done, you know what 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:44.800 I mean, So you got to come with some crazy 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:47.559 shit now to make away. But these kids are coming 1:13:47.640 --> 1:13:49.880 with that crazy shit and making a way. What are 1:13:49.880 --> 1:13:51.920 your thoughts on it? Being a former slam dunk Chip. 1:13:52.240 --> 1:13:57.120 So I won't lie right since ninety three, right, people 1:13:57.160 --> 1:13:59.639 have been going between land was Cob and Vince Bron 1:13:59.760 --> 1:14:01.559 you know, go Ran had been. But the other dudes, 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:04.360 you know, was going between the legs. And I was like, man, 1:14:04.400 --> 1:14:09.200 this is crazy, Jay Rich and you know, I just 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:13.000 this others. I was like, are you kidding me right now? 1:14:13.680 --> 1:14:17.559 I mean, these dudes, we're doing some crazy stuff, man, 1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:20.719 and still doing crazy stuff. So to me, the evolution 1:14:20.880 --> 1:14:23.720 of a dunk like, So I didn't practice dunks, you 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:25.360 know what I mean, I didn't. I didn't you know, 1:14:25.439 --> 1:14:27.360 the first duncan sess the second. I didn't go out there. 1:14:27.400 --> 1:14:28.680 I didn't have no routine. I didn't know what I 1:14:28.720 --> 1:14:30.519 was gonna do. I didn't practice no dunks, you know 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:33.040 what I mean. And even coming up in high school, 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:35.519 you know, everybody had the bouncing ones and we dunked out, 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:37.439 you know what I mean. Here On Minor used to 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:43.519 go out it in high school and so we turned Yeah, 1:14:43.600 --> 1:14:44.960 we used to go out in high school. I mean 1:14:45.000 --> 1:14:48.240 it was Southern Cal in North Cal. We yeah, we 1:14:48.400 --> 1:14:52.000 had a rowing without getting said we in practice, we just. 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:52.760 Went off the cuff. 1:14:54.040 --> 1:14:57.200 So now dudes is taken behind the back, taking you know, 1:14:57.280 --> 1:15:01.519 practice and looking at pro dunkers, taking getting the timing 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:03.680 and getting advice from dudes, you know what I mean, 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:08.200 and going in the lab and getting major dunks off, 1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:09.640 you know what I mean. So I just look at 1:15:09.680 --> 1:15:12.840 it like the evolution is incredible, man, I mean, just 1:15:12.920 --> 1:15:16.280 to go from a simple baseline between the legs to 1:15:17.160 --> 1:15:18.320 at the end of my dunk contest. 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:19.240 So I used to throw it up too. 1:15:19.360 --> 1:15:21.519 In the end of my dunk contest, I'm talking to 1:15:21.560 --> 1:15:23.960 Sean Camp like me, they wanted to be doing more dunk. 1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:25.800 I'm like, man, I'm gonna throw it up, go off 1:15:25.880 --> 1:15:29.439 verge and going between the legs, and and Antonio David like, man, 1:15:29.439 --> 1:15:31.400 you're good. I'd like all right, So I went and 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:33.880 did something else. With that being said, I look at 1:15:33.920 --> 1:15:35.880 it now, like, man, they going behind the back, off 1:15:35.920 --> 1:15:38.640 the backboard. It's incredible. Man, I'm in awe, you know 1:15:38.680 --> 1:15:40.439 what I mean when I see these dudes, you know 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:41.960 what I mean? With that being said, Man, I think 1:15:42.000 --> 1:15:44.320 Aaron Aaron Gordon won the dunk contest. 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:58.120 He's been getting robbed two times. Possibly, where did this 1:15:58.240 --> 1:15:59.960 bounce come from? And when did you know you could full? 1:16:00.479 --> 1:16:02.800 Because you could really fly in case you didn't know. 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:06.280 Man, yeah, I mean sometimes, dog, I'm starting to get, 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:08.320 you know, a little more tired now. 1:16:08.439 --> 1:16:09.800 But here we go. 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:11.360 It's twenty five times. 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:14.120 I'm just talking shit. I'm just talking. I'm just talking shit. 1:16:14.240 --> 1:16:16.840 You know, in high school. 1:16:16.840 --> 1:16:17.800 In high school it started. 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:17.960 Man. 1:16:18.040 --> 1:16:19.240 You know, me and my dad did a lot of 1:16:19.320 --> 1:16:21.400 Plaier metrics. You know, we were on the Verde Max 1:16:21.439 --> 1:16:24.000 I was doing. I was doing lunches on the football 1:16:24.080 --> 1:16:27.800 field from one hundred yard line backwards eighty backwards. I 1:16:27.920 --> 1:16:30.720 ran track a little bit, ran sprints, so you know, 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:36.000 I worked on you know, building those muscles up. And 1:16:36.360 --> 1:16:39.560 after I uh, after I grew into my body a 1:16:39.600 --> 1:16:41.960 little bit more at like six six three six four 1:16:42.080 --> 1:16:44.000 sixty five, and that's when it started coming in. Right 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:46.599 before my right before my senior year in high school. 1:16:48.240 --> 1:16:49.720 You know, I was pulling off the same dunks I 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:50.639 was doing the dunk. 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:53.680 Contest growing up, you know, being a dunky yourself. You know, 1:16:53.720 --> 1:16:57.599 I heard Vince was one of your guys. What tempted 1:16:57.640 --> 1:17:00.200 you or or or or prompted you to join the contest, 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:02.080 you know, going into it you you could win, or 1:17:02.479 --> 1:17:04.400 what was the motivating factor behind. You wanted to be 1:17:04.439 --> 1:17:07.000 a volved in the dunk contest. Yeah, So I grew 1:17:07.120 --> 1:17:09.400 up always you know, watched it. You know, we could 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:11.600 watch the tapes and you go outside and try you know, 1:17:11.680 --> 1:17:14.920 I watched the Michael Jordan, Kobe's and Vince's and go 1:17:15.040 --> 1:17:18.080 outside and try to do the dunks. But uh, I 1:17:18.160 --> 1:17:20.519 wanted dunk contest in high school. I think it was 1:17:20.560 --> 1:17:24.760 the Ball's Life of All America dunk contest, you know. 1:17:25.080 --> 1:17:27.160 Going growing up, I'm like, okay, I got I got 1:17:27.160 --> 1:17:28.840 into NBA. I was like, I know I can win this. 1:17:29.040 --> 1:17:33.320 So I had even that Aaron Gordon dunk contest that 1:17:33.400 --> 1:17:35.880 we had, I had like nine dunks that I had. 1:17:36.000 --> 1:17:38.120 I was like, there's nobody doning beat me where if 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:40.040 I make my dunks. There's nobody that's gonna beat me 1:17:40.080 --> 1:17:43.400 if I do these dunks. So I just wanted to 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:45.080 go put a show on at least, you know, have 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:47.920 that experience, especially at I think I was the second 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:49.719 youngest besides Kobe to win the Dunk. 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:52.280 Contest behind Yeah. 1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:55.720 Hell yeah, that was dope. And then you became the 1:17:56.000 --> 1:17:59.720 fourth player to win back to back dunk contests. When 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:02.680 you're able to take down Aaron in Toronto talk to 1:18:02.760 --> 1:18:05.400 us about that particular dunk contest, because that one took 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:08.639 everyone back to you know, comparences of Dominique and Jordan 1:18:08.720 --> 1:18:10.960 back in eighty eight before you was even born. But 1:18:11.080 --> 1:18:12.880 it was one of the best dunk contests we've seen. 1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:15.439 No, it was crazy and you could just tell it 1:18:15.560 --> 1:18:17.240 built up to something that was going to go down 1:18:17.280 --> 1:18:19.599 in history, just the stuff that we were doing. Because 1:18:20.000 --> 1:18:22.000 I'm Beyonnest with you, I didn't think anybody was going 1:18:22.040 --> 1:18:23.799 to come close to me in the first dunk contest. 1:18:23.880 --> 1:18:25.640 I feel like I wiped the floor, you know. I 1:18:25.680 --> 1:18:27.840 thought it was a sweet second one. 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:29.960 You know, Ag came out with the same amount of 1:18:30.080 --> 1:18:32.800 energy and confidence I had, so it was, you know, 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:34.560 it was go go down to the last blow, and 1:18:34.640 --> 1:18:36.880 that's when I I was like, look, I'm either going 1:18:36.920 --> 1:18:38.360 to make this dunk or miss it. When I tried 1:18:38.360 --> 1:18:40.920 to go from the free throw line, you know, thank 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:41.479 god I made it. 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:45.880 But you made that shit look effortless. Your free throw 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:48.480 dunks look motherfucking effortless. Is incredible. 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:50.160 That last one I did was the first time I 1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:50.560 tried it. 1:18:50.800 --> 1:18:53.280 Let's go through the legs, though, go through the legs 1:18:53.320 --> 1:18:54.240 from the free throw line. 1:18:54.360 --> 1:18:54.840 That's crazy. 1:18:54.880 --> 1:18:58.639 It was the first time I tried it. Tried it, Yeah, 1:18:58.840 --> 1:18:59.680 first time I tried it. 1:19:01.760 --> 1:19:07.120 Never never, I s bro, that was dope. 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:11.200 Have you have you ever talked to Aaron Gordon about that? Like, 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:12.080 have you ever sat down? 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:13.760 But like, man, what made you think about doing that? 1:19:14.120 --> 1:19:15.080 You know what I'm saying. Have you ever had a 1:19:15.120 --> 1:19:16.240 conversation about that moment? 1:19:16.400 --> 1:19:18.719 Yeah, We're in the same agency, so we definitely talked 1:19:18.720 --> 1:19:20.519 about it. You know, we're going back and forth, like 1:19:20.680 --> 1:19:22.120 I think I got you on this one. 1:19:22.040 --> 1:19:22.439 Or that one. 1:19:22.520 --> 1:19:24.479 But at the end of the day, I grabbed the 1:19:24.600 --> 1:19:25.320 I grabbed the mic. 1:19:25.360 --> 1:19:27.160 I I don't think people remember this. I say, Man, 1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:28.559 to be honest with you, I think we should share 1:19:28.600 --> 1:19:31.719 this trophy. You know, we put on a show together. Yeah, 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:34.120 so it was instead of you know, one or one 1:19:34.160 --> 1:19:36.120 other guy winning, I think that was just something for 1:19:36.280 --> 1:19:37.800 the for the culture of the NBA. 1:19:37.920 --> 1:19:38.960 That was something that was special. 1:19:39.240 --> 1:19:41.639 So there's rumors now that you're hanging up your dunk 1:19:41.720 --> 1:19:45.120 contest eligibility. Is there any truth to that at the 1:19:45.200 --> 1:19:46.960 ripe old age of twenty five for you or is 1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:50.160 that the last time we seen La Levien, man, I don't. 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:53.960 Know, man, it's yes, yes, he said, he don't know. Same, 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:55.040 he said, he don't know. 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:57.280 I wasn't even in the same role. 1:19:57.400 --> 1:20:00.280 Everybody was crazy Jack. Everybody still wants me to do. Man, 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:02.160 I don't know what else I can. To be honest, 1:20:02.200 --> 1:20:08.640 I don't know what else I could do. It'll come 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:10.639 a time to where I you know, I'm I'm eventually 1:20:10.680 --> 1:20:12.599 doing hang it up. Obviously, I know I still got 1:20:12.680 --> 1:20:15.200 something left, but you know, I think I've passed that 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:16.840 part of my game now I want to go out 1:20:16.880 --> 1:20:18.920 there and so you know, I want, you know, I 1:20:19.040 --> 1:20:20.160 want to be NBA champion. 1:20:20.200 --> 1:20:23.040 I want you know, more, more, more refined things. 1:20:23.240 --> 1:20:23.439 You know. 1:20:24.360 --> 1:20:25.480 Yeah, exactly. 1:20:35.439 --> 1:20:37.840 When did you start really jumping around with ant a 1:20:37.920 --> 1:20:41.160 young age and come all of a sudden, I. 1:20:41.200 --> 1:20:43.920 Think, like going into my seventh grade year, like in 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:46.080 a gym class, so, you know, all the kids playing 1:20:46.120 --> 1:20:49.040 around and I'm still trying to like dunk this ball, 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:53.080 so class over, everybody leaving a family dunk it. 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:54.479 So you know how there you dunk it. 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:55.080 It's over. 1:20:55.200 --> 1:20:57.400 Now class You like, hey, I did it, so they're like, no, 1:20:57.520 --> 1:20:57.960 you didn't. 1:20:58.720 --> 1:21:04.000 So it's season. Get ready to start we was at BBR. 1:21:04.640 --> 1:21:06.439 I get on the fast break. I dunked the ball 1:21:06.439 --> 1:21:08.560 in seventh grade in seventh grade, and they called a 1:21:08.640 --> 1:21:11.120 technical foul. I didn't even know what the tech was about. 1:21:11.640 --> 1:21:14.320 And they's like, you can't dunk the ball. So my 1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:16.760 coach like, what you mean. I think it kind of 1:21:16.800 --> 1:21:19.639 caught him off guard. Wasn't nobody else dunting. Wasn't nobody 1:21:19.680 --> 1:21:22.240 else dunking at the time. And when I really knew 1:21:22.400 --> 1:21:23.960 this one, I really knew I could jump. My eighth 1:21:24.000 --> 1:21:28.160 grade year, in the championship game, on a fast break, 1:21:29.000 --> 1:21:31.920 I took off with a toe in front of the 1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:35.840 free throw line and dunked. And want a dude, so 1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:38.519 you look, thinking about eighth grade. As I'm in there, 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:41.599 the guy come behind me. I'm still flying the dude 1:21:41.640 --> 1:21:45.400 that took my shoe off in the air. The place 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:48.719 was going crazy. I dunked it and one came down 1:21:49.360 --> 1:21:53.960 and do that my shoe in his hand. I mean, look, 1:21:54.000 --> 1:21:56.160 you know, I've been like, like miss Williams, I'm like 1:21:57.280 --> 1:22:01.240 looking for that tape because I'm like just thinking about 1:22:01.520 --> 1:22:06.599 like that moment and from there, you know, because people like, Okay, 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:09.320 you talk off stride a lot I was like, that's 1:22:09.360 --> 1:22:11.920 how I learned. But then as I started playing more, 1:22:12.400 --> 1:22:14.960 playing out there with like a lot of pros, and 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:18.160 they'll give me like a man in a game. 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:19.479 Then they're blocking my shot. 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:22.680 And the first time one of the guys blocked my 1:22:22.760 --> 1:22:26.479 shot and I started laughing, and he looked at me 1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:29.439 and saying, what you laugh I say, because y'all let 1:22:29.520 --> 1:22:33.840 me play with y'all like I'm a kid. So they 1:22:34.000 --> 1:22:37.479 started giving me like two more mens here and there. 1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:40.680 And you'll do this summerly this summertime. 1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:41.160 Yeah. 1:22:41.200 --> 1:22:45.000 I was at like maybe like twelve thirteen years old. Yeah, 1:22:45.240 --> 1:22:47.640 so they was giving me a couple of minutes here 1:22:47.640 --> 1:22:49.960 and there. And then I didn't look at it as 1:22:50.040 --> 1:22:53.720 like yeah, they busting my left, knocking me down. I 1:22:53.880 --> 1:22:57.040 was just happy to be out there playing. So you know, 1:22:57.160 --> 1:23:01.000 when I stopped playing against kids was to destroying them. 1:23:01.560 --> 1:23:04.519 You know, it was just like the mentality because they 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:08.720 won as aggressive. So like my ninth grade year, I'm like, ooh, 1:23:08.760 --> 1:23:10.880 I'm gonna play the sophomore and my coach was like 1:23:10.920 --> 1:23:13.720 Wolf was like, no, I'm gonna start your boss. You're 1:23:13.800 --> 1:23:16.439 like what And he started me on varsity. I think 1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:19.439 that first year, I was like sixteen the game and 1:23:19.560 --> 1:23:21.920 then every year, so going up, it went up. 1:23:22.000 --> 1:23:25.880 Yeah, So was you ever measured with your vert I mean, 1:23:26.200 --> 1:23:27.640 is it urban legend that it is fifty or was 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:28.320 it fifty plus? 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:32.080 It was a fifty fifty nine, ain't no question about that. 1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:34.960 It was what shocked people. I think this one they 1:23:35.040 --> 1:23:36.840 looked at it. I think this one may be on tape. 1:23:37.360 --> 1:23:43.439 Leonard Miles about six five, we was playing down in Danville, Illinois. 1:23:43.920 --> 1:23:45.640 He got on the break and he had one of 1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:49.840 the hardest one legged jumps, like broad and get up. 1:23:49.880 --> 1:23:55.280 So this time I'm like doing the chase down and 1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:59.439 he laid it up. I said, dude, you do that again, 1:24:00.000 --> 1:24:02.920 I'm gonna get down. His whole wrist over the square 1:24:03.360 --> 1:24:05.320 like this is how I was. I said, you do 1:24:05.439 --> 1:24:08.639 that again, I'm gonna get it six plays five plays later, 1:24:10.160 --> 1:24:12.519 he didn't think the dunke it man went up there. Now, 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:16.600 if you watched it when they was rewinding it, the 1:24:16.720 --> 1:24:19.599 ball over the block the square. That's why I went 1:24:19.720 --> 1:24:23.360 up there and grabbed it but two hands and just 1:24:23.439 --> 1:24:25.840 snatched it down. I think the game wasn't even over, 1:24:25.880 --> 1:24:27.560 and everybody ran on the court. It was still like 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:32.400 the third quarter, and that's when that's when they was like, okay, 1:24:32.520 --> 1:24:35.840 don't nobody And because I sit back and watch that 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:38.080 block and I said, man, why I told you the 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:41.920 dunke it. He's like, man, I ain't expect nobody ever 1:24:42.080 --> 1:24:46.400 number didn't grab no ball like that. That was another 1:24:46.520 --> 1:24:47.360 memory experience. 1:24:47.400 --> 1:24:49.400 I'll tell you. I got Leonard I talk about this 1:24:49.520 --> 1:24:49.960 out of his house. 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.639 Since we talking about you dunking and jumping at fifty 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:56.120 Nike Snap Dunk Contest. 1:24:56.080 --> 1:25:00.280 You shake Cadding, shake Hadden with team Cleves Court, Benjamin, Yes, 1:25:01.920 --> 1:25:04.599 Baron Davis in that toom Baron Davis as well. 1:25:04.760 --> 1:25:06.439 Bro, my team used to have hops like that. 1:25:06.720 --> 1:25:11.200 What my team was like, Matt team was like he 1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:15.519 was top five quarterback in the country and the top 1:25:15.600 --> 1:25:16.639 five point guard. 1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:17.000 In the country. 1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:18.320 Stuff like that. 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:20.880 No, he could fly up crazy, he could fly it up. 1:25:21.479 --> 1:25:22.679 But you remember that dunk contest. 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:27.000 I never forget that dunk contest because let me tell 1:25:27.000 --> 1:25:29.160 you something like Shaye was Dominique Wilkins. 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:32.080 Listen, man, look, they was. 1:25:32.120 --> 1:25:34.400 Calling him man the man first of all, built like 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:37.759 that in the ninth grade, ninth ground, like dude, come on, man. 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:40.200 What you eating two thirty. 1:25:42.720 --> 1:25:45.320 This wasn't this wasn't this wasn't a day of holdbacks 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:46.080 and double hose back. 1:25:46.120 --> 1:25:48.640 He was really that big and that yeah, man, he 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:51.480 was like when he looked. 1:25:52.760 --> 1:25:55.200 When he was attacking the rim and dunk and the 1:25:55.240 --> 1:25:57.920 ball man, it was just like, I'm like, dude, why 1:25:58.000 --> 1:26:01.120 you man? Like the whole every thing, just like so 1:26:02.600 --> 1:26:04.000 he was the one I was worrying about. In the 1:26:04.080 --> 1:26:10.080 dunk contest, Corey Binches was more like Clyde and glide 1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:14.719 through there. So Shay did a windmill from the side 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:19.160 and I was like, I ain't sure. I'm like, it 1:26:19.280 --> 1:26:20.000 was just the one he. 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:22.920 Threw in the air and anyone ever seen. 1:26:24.320 --> 1:26:27.479 I think you have felled the shit that that that 1:26:27.600 --> 1:26:31.040 dunk contest. That's because somebody sent me. It was like, 1:26:31.680 --> 1:26:33.840 somebody sent me the dunk that won it for me. 1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:39.720 So he did that dunk and then Corey's brother came 1:26:39.840 --> 1:26:40.240 up to me. 1:26:40.600 --> 1:26:44.680 It was like, look, yeah, Corey winning this, and I 1:26:44.800 --> 1:26:45.320 never get one. 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:48.479 The guys from Chicago sitting by me, Larry Alley Way 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:54.040 and Bibbie was there. All of a sudden he backed 1:26:54.120 --> 1:26:56.400 I'm like, I know this boy finish trying to jump 1:26:56.479 --> 1:27:00.640 from the free throw line. Corey Corey did it, So 1:27:00.760 --> 1:27:03.760 now the place he's roughed again. So now it's my 1:27:04.960 --> 1:27:07.680 you what year y'all? At this point it was going 1:27:07.720 --> 1:27:08.400 into ninety. 1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:13.360 Ship and then. 1:27:15.120 --> 1:27:17.160 They both looked at me like what you're gonna do? 1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:20.519 I ain't say anything, so like, now all these guys 1:27:20.600 --> 1:27:22.080 doing is run and start everything. 1:27:23.280 --> 1:27:26.160 They throw me the ball. Matter of fact, Ray Allen 1:27:26.240 --> 1:27:28.040 was at the camp too. Yeah, he was one of 1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:30.479 the night guys. 1:27:30.680 --> 1:27:32.400 So I got it. 1:27:32.600 --> 1:27:38.519 I walked to the free throw line and I was 1:27:38.600 --> 1:27:41.760 just like I'd done a windmill. I've done two of those, 1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:45.040 but I'm finna do something I think they see. And 1:27:45.120 --> 1:27:47.880 I didn't even run. I said, look, I did a 1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:50.439 wind meal three sixty. When I'd done it. 1:27:50.800 --> 1:27:53.599 This is when I know, y'a was how high it was? Well, 1:27:53.640 --> 1:27:55.080 you see Vince Carter do that. 1:27:56.240 --> 1:27:57.920 I was to a point where I was so high 1:27:58.000 --> 1:28:01.360 when I turned, I I was like like my neck 1:28:01.479 --> 1:28:05.519 and all this like looking down in the real that hard. 1:28:06.000 --> 1:28:08.280 And then they even let me get to my second 1:28:08.320 --> 1:28:08.760 third dunk. 1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:12.560 They just called it whole jail crazy. 1:28:12.920 --> 1:28:16.679 Yeah, they it was real nonsense. Just walk like figure 1:28:16.680 --> 1:28:19.080 out what he was gonna do. Yeah, Bro, he did 1:28:19.200 --> 1:28:23.599 three six the wind Bert, Yeah, just like one triple. 1:28:24.000 --> 1:28:25.719 That's when I said it was just like it was people. 1:28:25.840 --> 1:28:28.920 Everybody was like, I ain't doing no running start or anything. 1:28:29.280 --> 1:28:31.240 And I think that's what called him off guard because 1:28:31.280 --> 1:28:33.479 they like, Okay, what are you finna do? Is just 1:28:33.600 --> 1:28:38.040 like free throw line? One dribble boom boom end up. 1:28:38.439 --> 1:28:40.280 This when I was like, when I turned around and 1:28:40.360 --> 1:28:43.080 there at that moment and I realized, well, my chance 1:28:43.160 --> 1:28:48.400 in my head was so hard after that, and that 1:28:48.600 --> 1:28:51.080 was Yeah, it was nothing else needed to be seen. 1:28:52.040 --> 1:28:56.360 Everybody was like the whole Jill Wayne, it was. 1:28:58.479 --> 1:29:00.160 Virable before viral for. 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:01.639 We gotta find a tape of that dunk. 1:29:01.720 --> 1:29:03.600 Bro, we gotta find a table of that dunk, and 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:05.200 that's probably the first time it's been done. 1:29:05.040 --> 1:29:05.759 Probably on VH. 1:29:11.439 --> 1:29:23.479 We gotta find that ship. We gonna find it. Is 1:29:23.560 --> 1:29:26.519 this an urban legend? You got your first practice through 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:27.719 a radio dunk contest? 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:30.600 Is that crazy as what? 1:29:30.800 --> 1:29:32.880 Mano? Yeah? Man, I'm the. 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:35.160 Too. 1:29:36.800 --> 1:29:39.320 I'm gonna tell you what is the truth too. Now 1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:45.040 I'm in College of Trinity Valley and ain't but two 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:47.959 damn restaurants there. It's a dairy queen and the McDonald 1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:51.479 that's your choice of restaurants. You go out too, bro 1:29:52.240 --> 1:29:54.960 and uh in Eastern Texas and they came on the 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:57.400 radio and they was like this. They say, Hey, there's 1:29:57.439 --> 1:30:00.479 a dunk contest next Friday night and the winner and 1:30:00.520 --> 1:30:03.080 the winner the dunk contest gets to practice with the 1:30:03.160 --> 1:30:07.719 Mavericks all week here. Three practices here, Yes, they said, 1:30:07.760 --> 1:30:10.960 three practices if you win the dunk contest. So everybody 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:13.360 in the every junior college around Texas was trying to 1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:14.360 get in that motherfucker. 1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:14.599 Man. 1:30:14.960 --> 1:30:18.920 I mean you name it, Sega, Sino, Tyler, you, every 1:30:19.200 --> 1:30:24.640 every law school man. We was down there after the 1:30:24.920 --> 1:30:28.400 Dallas ARDA man was probably sixty contestants. Man, and I 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:31.760 want the dunk contest that night, and uh, I got 1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:33.920 a chance to practice with the Mavericks. Now I get 1:30:33.960 --> 1:30:36.200 to the Mavericks practice and guess who's on the damn team. 1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:40.920 My teammates that the strip Sam Perkins, they on the 1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:43.680 day on the team, and I am. I come in 1:30:43.800 --> 1:30:45.680 and I guess you get a chance to practice with him? 1:30:47.439 --> 1:30:55.639 Where they don't let me practice one day? I bullshit 1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:55.920 you not? 1:30:56.160 --> 1:31:12.000 You up out of there, tell us where elevator Ernie 1:31:12.080 --> 1:31:13.799 was born at Elevator. 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:17.799 Ernie was born at the Omni, the Omni, the Omni, 1:31:19.640 --> 1:31:22.160 and that's like mid eighties, that's eighty five or eighty six. 1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:24.800 And this is when I'm anchoring the weekend sports at 1:31:24.880 --> 1:31:29.040 Channel two and Bill Needle was the name from the past. 1:31:29.080 --> 1:31:31.400 He was the Hawks pr director at that point. So 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:35.559 he's setting up a media slam dunk contest. So there 1:31:35.600 --> 1:31:40.200 are a couple of writers from the AJAC. Steve Brunner 1:31:40.400 --> 1:31:43.320 was in there, a couple other guys, Craig Sager from 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:46.080 who was at TBS at the time. So Seger gets invited. 1:31:46.320 --> 1:31:50.840 Seger shows up wearing these candy stripe red and white 1:31:50.960 --> 1:31:55.000 shorts that were just about exposing everything he had. Okay, 1:31:55.080 --> 1:31:56.840 and I was like, how can you wear shorts that 1:31:57.640 --> 1:32:00.559 that's small? And he's but SEG's and I knew each 1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:02.360 other even back then because we'd be ca you know, 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:05.920 covering different stuff. So they said, yeah, okay, you guys 1:32:05.960 --> 1:32:08.360 show up here at the Hawks shoot around because this 1:32:08.479 --> 1:32:10.559 is when and we're kinda kind of show you what's 1:32:10.600 --> 1:32:13.400 happening because we're going to do this in the pregame 1:32:13.439 --> 1:32:16.160 at the Hawks tonight. It gave us a pair of 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:18.439 gave us a pair of Brooks, gave us Nat shoes, 1:32:18.920 --> 1:32:22.680 so I had I was wearing Dominique's Brooks on that thing. 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:25.240 And I don't know what possessed me. 1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:25.880 To wear those. 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:28.719 I talk about Sagar shorts. 1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:30.439 I had smugglers on too. 1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:31.880 They those things. 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:35.200 I don't know what I was thinking. 1:32:36.320 --> 1:32:38.320 You know, it isn't it amazing when you look back 1:32:38.360 --> 1:32:41.639 some years and say, what was I kept the glasses 1:32:41.720 --> 1:32:44.559 on though, had the glasses, had the socks up to hear, had. 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:46.320 The that was a style back then, though. Yeah. 1:32:46.360 --> 1:32:49.120 The huggers, man, it was, you know, yeah, the grape smugglers. 1:32:49.120 --> 1:32:51.960 This kiddy always calls them. So yeah, So that's where 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:54.559 it started. And they gave us the they gave us 1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:58.400 the T shirts and mindset elevator Ernie. And I had 1:32:58.479 --> 1:33:00.200 no idea of not like I came out here, said 1:33:00.200 --> 1:33:03.560 hey make mine elevator. You just showed up at that 1:33:03.680 --> 1:33:06.320 night and they said, here's your T shirt, elevator Ernie. Okay, 1:33:06.479 --> 1:33:09.360 And so yeah, we did like an eight foot rim. 1:33:09.640 --> 1:33:09.880 It was. 1:33:10.080 --> 1:33:11.680 It was some brutal entertainment. 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:14.840 But I looked back at some of those pictures and 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:17.599 I saw Craig Neil, who was one of the judges 1:33:17.640 --> 1:33:20.439 of Anne Joseph member from Haiti was a center at 1:33:20.479 --> 1:33:21.120 Georgia Tech. 1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:22.320 He was one of the judges. 1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:28.160 And and then somehow that video resurrected itself on our 1:33:28.280 --> 1:33:28.960 air and now. 1:33:28.880 --> 1:33:29.759 It won't go away. 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:32.160 So now in any slow moment, anytime they want to 1:33:32.760 --> 1:33:34.640 they want to hurt me, they bring that. 1:33:35.000 --> 1:33:37.160 Yeah could you jump? You? Did you have a could dunk? 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:39.479 In real life on the road? Look at me? 1:33:39.560 --> 1:33:41.880 Come on, man, what do you think touch a net? 1:33:44.320 --> 1:33:46.519 You never know? You could have been aborn a younger day. 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:49.040 Man, I no, I never could. 1:33:49.120 --> 1:33:52.439 I touched the rim maybe, but I could never do that. 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:56.240 I could, I could, and that's and that's but I 1:33:56.320 --> 1:33:57.080 don't know what it was. 1:33:57.200 --> 1:33:59.640 And I think it maybe if I had had what 1:33:59.760 --> 1:34:03.320 a lot of young players these days have. And that's 1:34:03.520 --> 1:34:06.439 you know, there are training tools and that kind of 1:34:06.520 --> 1:34:08.840 thing where somebody can actually tell you here, hey, look, 1:34:08.880 --> 1:34:10.840 this is how you if you want a vertical this 1:34:11.000 --> 1:34:12.320 is what you're gonna have to do, and you're gonna 1:34:12.320 --> 1:34:14.719 have to work on this and you're gonna have to develop. 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:19.080 But but for me, it was like, look, even though 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:21.080 you look at my physique, I was not a big 1:34:21.120 --> 1:34:21.880 guy in the weight room. 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:25.600 I know that's surprising, but it was like, I'm one of. 1:34:25.600 --> 1:34:27.360 Those guys who were like when I was taking pe 1:34:27.479 --> 1:34:29.599 classes and they started doing pull ups, I always found 1:34:29.600 --> 1:34:31.120 a way to kind of get to the back of 1:34:31.200 --> 1:34:33.280 the line every time, and then they say, oh, let's 1:34:33.280 --> 1:34:33.800 move over here. 1:34:33.880 --> 1:34:40.400 Good m