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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. You

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Speaker 1: gotta why did you start rapping after only putting out

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Speaker 1: one album? Because that the situation happened, that dynamics happened

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Speaker 1: with the changed situation, and kind of was like blackball

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Speaker 1: me forgetting my shit took. I'm like, I'm the victim, Like,

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Speaker 1: how y'all mad at me? Nigga, Like some niggas did

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Speaker 1: some bullshit to me. So that happened, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of people didn't understand that I was writing and producing

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Speaker 1: my records as an artist, so I always knew. Like

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Speaker 1: a salute to my brother Rob Holliday, who's here with

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Speaker 1: me right now. He made all them records with me,

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Speaker 1: Sexy lady the business. I told the man sitting to

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Speaker 1: the left of us right now, bro, when I met him,

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Speaker 1: this is the blessing that God got all my life

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Speaker 1: and just this situation, Bro, I ain't know that man.

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Speaker 1: I heard a beat CD. I told him to drop

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Speaker 1: out of school. He was in like a sophomore junior

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Speaker 1: what can I fall back on? Like all I know

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Speaker 1: is music. My shit's still hot. They just don't want

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Speaker 1: it from me, right, So I decided at that point,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, i'm'a just get behind the scenes and

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Speaker 1: get on my producing shit. I wasn't even hit maker,

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Speaker 1: nothing like that. I was just producing this young berg

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Speaker 1: or whatever. And then one special day, I ain't gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: I just win the booth and I cannot lie to you.

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Speaker 1: I just was like, hit maker. I just said it

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Speaker 1: before the song, and then it just click, God dropped

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Speaker 1: that gym onment and got me out there. It has

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Speaker 1: been it what my first one? I think, I said

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Speaker 1: to like bro like my whole process. I ain't had

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Speaker 1: no like I have money. My parents had money, but

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Speaker 1: they wasn't really for me like that. I've been through

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Speaker 1: all I could do is like get beats and have

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Speaker 1: fifth and just writes, drink some sarak and write and

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Speaker 1: write and write and write and write, then go to

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Speaker 1: the studio and dump my songs and from there that

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Speaker 1: ended up leading me to be the guy named Jerrs,

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Speaker 1: who's Vincent Herbert's cousin, who gave my song to Vincent Herbert.

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Speaker 1: At that time, they had a TV show called Tamar

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Speaker 1: Evince and Tamar and Vince ended up flying me to

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Speaker 1: my back and gave me my first big placement. Again.

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Speaker 1: I did a lot work on that Tamar Love and

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Speaker 1: War album and that was what took me out of

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Speaker 1: here and brought me back to La. Wow, that's I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's to like, you know what, I'm done rapping. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna get behind the camera. It's like an actor, like

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Speaker 1: you know what, i ain't acting no more. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: front of the camera. Do you feel that that's your case? Oh? Man,

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Speaker 1: most definitely. And only that I'm still I'm still a creative.

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Speaker 1: I'm still rapping. I'm you're writing raps for people. I'm

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Speaker 1: still doing you Hey, you think I want to say it, dude,

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Speaker 1: we just talking about defense and all this. You see

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Speaker 1: what these niggas going through. I don't want to. My

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Speaker 1: trajectory was always to be the next la read of

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Speaker 1: this situation. Okay, to be the guy that actually made

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Speaker 1: the music, that actually was involved in the studio, that

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Speaker 1: had hits, but also could relate to the artists. Now

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Speaker 1: at this level that I am right now, it's working.

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Speaker 1: Jeez wouldn't let you in the video? Hey, Yo, this

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Speaker 1: is a crazy that's a good one, yo. Bro. You good,

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Speaker 1: all good? Bro, y'all good? Why wouldn't let you in

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Speaker 1: the video? I guess I was blackballed on his list

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Speaker 1: at that time too, damn yeah. So I ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: because I was I was climbing out of a you

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And at that point I

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Speaker 1: did that song it's called Double Cup. I was on

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Speaker 1: the hook. It was DJ infamous song featuring myself, JUICYJ, Ludacris,

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Speaker 1: was at the I was at the video and Infamous

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Speaker 1: He ain't hate on the salute to Juicy J. But

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Speaker 1: at that time, like the video there, I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: So I'm like feeling a little entitled, like hold on, yeah, yeah, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm good enough for y'all to get on this song

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I'm telling you true. I do

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Speaker 1: my parts. They're like, yeah, you good, you rap. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm finna just hang around. It's girls on set, this,

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Speaker 1: that and the third and now Gez and them get there.

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Speaker 1: Laker's flowing, they shooting, they shot. It's Jez Luda, Juicy J.

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Speaker 1: They like action, you know. I got up Geez like

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Speaker 1: They was mad as hell, and I'll end up leaving

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Speaker 1: a video surely after that or whatever. So Juicy J

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Speaker 1: was cool? Was Luda cool? What you been on us? Oh?

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Speaker 1: You don't know. You just know Jez wasn't cool with

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Speaker 1: you being in there. Yeah, but I wouldn't say Luda

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Speaker 1: But at that time, I was going through so much

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Speaker 1: that I can understand why Jez ain't really want me

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Speaker 1: Gez spent the block mad people then diss me. I

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Speaker 1: got placks with him, Gucci Man and diss me like

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Speaker 1: several times, and I got millions of records. So with him,

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Speaker 1: that's hit maker. So you cool with that? Hell? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You about not making money, so you gotta forgive it hard.

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Speaker 1: So just because you a you might have said something

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Speaker 1: but when it comes to making this money, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I am to a female my forgetting I got a

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Speaker 1: hold on so Gucci, like he used, it's like try

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Speaker 1: me like I'm young Berg and I'm gonna make your

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and shit, I'm VP of A and

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Speaker 1: I think the first joint that me and Gucci did

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Speaker 1: Me and Gucci never talked about that shit. That was

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Speaker 1: Like it was just one of them, right, So I

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Speaker 1: ain't taking no type of way. T Pain spoke about

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Speaker 1: you being in the house drunk calling him broke. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, you called him man broke. I ain't call

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Speaker 1: I don't see be the same. So at that point,

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Speaker 1: T Pain, well, he one of my my idol. Was

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Speaker 1: I'm on the screen tour, and I thought and like

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Speaker 1: me for now? Mind you? I thought he's lying because

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Speaker 1: But that ship inspired me to keep going. It was

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Speaker 1: all the bulls shit happens. I live in Atlanta, Tea

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Speaker 1: pains on a on a an interesting face in his career.

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Speaker 1: I'm an interesting pace in my career. We ended up linking.

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Speaker 1: I never forget it probably was T money or something

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Speaker 1: like that. And uh, he took me this house and

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Speaker 1: I'm in this house and we vibing. And I just

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Speaker 1: start going to this house every every so often, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, a couple of times a week.

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Speaker 1: We were making records and then t pain Uh. I

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Speaker 1: and I did the hook too. This this this, this

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Speaker 1: is uh, this is a jeezy story all over again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but he did it a little different. I brought a

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Speaker 1: song to him. It's called Babbage's Link Up. I'm like, yo,

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Speaker 1: this's crazy. He do the song. I'm on the hook

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Speaker 1: of the song. He like, uh, I put Trey songs

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Speaker 1: on the song. I'm like, dope, all right, good good

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Speaker 1: good good. Hear it hard. And then I come back

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Speaker 1: to the crib another time and I got Remember I

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Speaker 1: told you earlier interview that me and bow Wow was bad.

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Speaker 1: That's the big dog. Stay away, You stay away from.

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00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: You stay away from people that you're actually making music

424
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: with unless you're cultivating relationships and they're your artists and

425
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: there's someone that you're building and growing with. Okay, don't matter, rapper,

426
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: singer and nothing. Don't you go around that nigga with

427
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: no women. Stay your ass in that studio and keep

428
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 1: sending the record because they go because it's gonna call

429
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: that because you know she gonna end up end over

430
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: there at his place and you're gonna feel some type

431
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: of way. I don't know what it's gonna do, but

432
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: I just don't even want to involve with it. You

433
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 1: work with Dre, you worked on no Stylists and a

434
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: couple more. You got a Grammy for the song Jaded,

435
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: I think too. You know what I'm saying? So Town Well,

436
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: I was just I mean, bro, you you it, I

437
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: mean you do so? So who would you consare yourself?

438
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: To wait A version of say Quincy Jones Stevie wonder,

439
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: who are you who you compare yourself to and your

440
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: genre and what you do. Who's your comparison. I think

441
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: that ideally it would be more of a quincy. We

442
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: can't say the other guy name right now because it's turmoil,

443
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: but Diddy, you know what I'm saying. This, that and

444
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: the third because I'm not really like, I have a

445
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: conglomerateive team that I work with, so I might not

446
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: be just a one man bandman like a Swiss Beats

447
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: or I think people look at Swiss Timberland Kanye not

448
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: really Kanye too, you know what I'm saying, because he

449
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 1: worked with a lot of different people. But I think

450
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: that you get a certain from purists producers, Yeah, like

451
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 1: you get a certain reverence from them when you just

452
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: do everything yourself right. To me, that's how you fall off. Really,

453
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm executive producer nine albums this year. How can I

454
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: possibly make executive produce do every song for nine albums

455
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: and have that shit and compete with what's going on

456
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: by myself? Right? It's no possible way to do that.

457
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: So for me, collaboration is always key. So I'm more

458
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: of a quincy a Diddy an La read. I would

459
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: say Kanye like from that type of cloth or whatever.

460
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: Like for real, I don't think nobody was onna happy.

461
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: I think forreal just went that as smoked happy by it.

462
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: So he did all that. Yeah, But in order to

463
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: do what you do, you have to be okay with

464
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: lother people getting credit. Man, I want everybody to get

465
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: credit to me. I ain't never been no that had

466
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: ghost producers. I go on platforms like Club Shay Shane

467
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: saying I ain't programming shit, I'm telling I'm going in that.

468
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 1: Look this the direction, this the artist, this who we're

469
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: working with. Okay, oh, this is where they're going. We're

470
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: doing samples or whatever. I'm getting with the guy that

471
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: replays all my samples and replays all my flips. I'm

472
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: doing twenty of those with them. I'm sending it to

473
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: a group chat with ten producers in it. Yo, y'all

474
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: do this. This is where we're at this with the motion,

475
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: it's a whole team effort. Always been like overly like

476
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: into like bigg en up people because shit, what jay

477
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: Z said, we're supposed to have people to be your

478
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: crutches if you fall off right right you. But in

479
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: this the song with Drake and French Montana, Drake's seas

480
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: and deceased for that one. Yeah, nah French song Splash Brothers.

481
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah for Splash Brothers. See, but that's on the album

482
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: that I executive produced for French Montana. So shortly after

483
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: that we did no stylists and we had an incredible

484
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: success with that. And then after that, me and French

485
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: went back in and I executive produced his album. I

486
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: Think They Got Amnesia was the title of it. But

487
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: this after he had his whole scarest health scare, so

488
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: he came back and then they had he had a

489
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: record from Drake and I think it ceased and says

490
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I wasn't involved with the process of

491
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: him and Drake record him and French and Drake are

492
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: super close, right, so he had that on his own.

493
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: I was just overseeing the executive producing the whole project.

494
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: So it didn't really affect me no way enough. You

495
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: worked with a Cassie, Yeah, what the hell was that?

496
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: Because you was like, you know, you kind of like,

497
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, Diddy has a lot and we're talking about

498
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: the producer. We're not talking about We're not talking about

499
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: what transpired outside of music. We're talking about him the

500
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: bad boy the hiring of people, of putting people in

501
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: place of producing great music. That's what we're talking about,

502
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: because you know how people try to twist, They try

503
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: to twist everything. Me and Diddy have a have a

504
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: very interesting relationship, not in like a weird way like

505
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: what something's going on personal, but just like our business

506
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: relationship has always been very interesting just because like I

507
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: met him early, Like I told you I was a

508
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: kid star, So I met him at the kid version

509
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: of me. I wasn't it. Then I blew up. He

510
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: invited me to the studio. He ended up forming a

511
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: relationship in a bond with one of my producers, to

512
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: guy Rob Holliday, who did all my stuff, who's with

513
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: me now? And like I didn't love that because I

514
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: felt like he was like still in my sound. Oh

515
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: really yeah, Like I felt like me and Rob, Like

516
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: I felt like I discovered Rob and we cultivated something

517
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: together that I didn't realize was bigger than me at

518
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: that time. I felt like it was our thing. But

519
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: in hindsight, it's really bigger than me. It's culture. It's

520
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: for everybody. It wasn't for me, just the horror didn't

521
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: have on the side. And he ended up stilling my producer.

522
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: He did it. He took you at least for me.

523
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, nigga got a jet, nigga a billionaire. I

524
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: ain't got a shit, nigga. I'm going through turmoil. I

525
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: told you I'm black ball shit. How you gonna tell

526
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: your guy not to go get on a jet with

527
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: somebody or whatever? Do that? But then that happened. And

528
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: then Cassie to me always just a super sweet, sweet woman.

529
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: I never really had too many interactions with her besides

530
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: her just coming to do the song and maybe a

531
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: little key key back and forth whatever. That was always

532
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: his woman. So you already know how I play. I

533
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: don't talking. Yeah, ain't nobody. If I ain't fall out

534
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: with nobody, that's your woman. And but but but for

535
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: the most part, guys gotten kind of kind of like,

536
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: look my lady, I ain't gonna even have a round

537
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: the guy because I don't. I don't want no temptation

538
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: on either part. Yeah, but he uh, I think he

539
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: had work. He had work facilities also at his homes

540
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: too throughout the years, So it would kind of be

541
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: hard to not be around. It would just be more

542
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: so about how you want to handle yourself when you're around. Yeah,

543
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: you got to be professional now for sure. Don't even

544
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: don't even don't ask no questions, don't even have no conversation. Yeah,

545
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: respect man, New artists. Who who's the best new artist out?

546
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: Because you know, the Grammys just happened. I mean, we're

547
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: gonna find out the night, aren't we. Yeah, if we

548
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: were talking Grammys to me, Leon Thomas, he made a

549
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: real impact for the culture this year. Kline for sure

550
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: with the folded record, but on a new artist scale,

551
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: like I said to me, the biggest new artist in

552
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: the game right now, the people that I'm developing curating.

553
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: I just was involved with getting Gilly and Willow they

554
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: label deal and Epic Records. Salute to all my partners

555
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: over the Epic His daughter, Gilly's daughter, her name is

556
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: New York LA. She's amazing. I executive produced that album.

557
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: Hit every song on the album. That's my family. I

558
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: love them. Uh My brother Ronnie, who's amazing, dream Doll

559
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: who's amazing, toy En who's amazing. My uh My one

560
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: of my biggest priorities on my label, Tink, who's also

561
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: someone I'm super close with. Her new album is amazing,

562
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: Ice wear vessel. We're about to drop a new album

563
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: that's amazing. I'm I'm, I'm kind of I'm booked and busy.

564
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: I got like, now you you you like being booked

565
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: and busy though, don't you? Yeah? For sure? I like

566
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: shitting on people with music I loved. I love the

567
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: work shipping on people. Samples? How do you go talk

568
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: to us about samples? Come on, how do you go

569
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: about because you know who's that? Somebody said Prince like, nah,

570
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: I love your music, but I ain't clearing it because

571
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: he didn't want somebody didn't want those execs to eat

572
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: send their kids to college off of that. But so

573
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: talk to us about sampling? How do you go about

574
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: sampling the song? When I initially set out on doing

575
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: this whole shit like, I ain't gonna lie like and

576
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm a still givings respect and his flowers due to

577
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: the situation, I said, being around Diddy and being around

578
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: the shit, I was like, I'm gonna be the puff

579
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: daddy of my generation. So you know what he did

580
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: for those samples from the eighties and earlier times. I said, Man,

581
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm finna go and I'm finna just flip everything that

582
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: I liked that was on one O six and Park

583
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: that I grew up on in BT rap City and

584
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: all the shit MTVTRL the shit that effect impacted me

585
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: and I set out on a mission and that to

586
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: really do that consciously. And I didn't know that I

587
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: was doing at that point, but like the way I

588
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: went about it is that I ended up meeting a

589
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: guy named Paul Cavin, who's amazing. He's like one of

590
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: the best guys I ever worked with in my life.

591
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: And this he replays all them samples. So whether it's

592
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: a two Chains featuring Arianna Grande used to it, that's

593
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: a triple platinum record that we got together, and I

594
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: flipped a Marie, why don't we fall in love? On

595
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: that record? That's not a sample, it's all a replay.

596
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: So a lot of my music it feels like a sample,

597
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: but it's been replayed. So I found the right guy

598
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: that can really go and manifest what my vision is

599
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: and he's been a life change in the game. Stable

600
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: for me. Are samples expensive? Hell yeah? On both ways.

601
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: You gotta pay money upfront their advance and they take

602
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: it realistically like anybody line and say that they ain't

603
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: take half of the song. They line they take half

604
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: your publisher really fifty so you got to pay them

605
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: and they still get money on the back end fifty

606
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: percent of the song. So say say I was in

607
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: this interview and I set a line from Jay Leno.

608
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: Jay Leno could send you an invoice for twenty thousand

609
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: dollars and won't fifty percent of this episode. That's how

610
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: they play. But if you go replay it and you don't,

611
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: that's if you use the master. That's why I got

612
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: with Paul and start replaying things. If you use the master,

613
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: if I just go, like take the drum loop from

614
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: in piece to President for Eric, you know what I'm

615
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: saying being rock him, they gonna charge for that. It's

616
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: the master used to the sample. Now if I go

617
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: and I rework it and make it in my own

618
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: and replay it, then it's gonna be a lighter percentage,

619
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: but it's still gonna be a percentage. Oh okay, So

620
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: kind of like Marvin Gabe when he's a state, who's

621
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: that for rel for real? Because they got to get up. Yeah,

622
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: that was a replay and that's why for real thought

623
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: he was safe. Yeah, because you can tell that man,

624
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: bro everything for Real is one of the greatest ever.

625
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: But in my opinion, and you can tell like he's

626
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: a fan of culture, he loves he loves the people

627
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: before him a lot. All his records come inspy about something,

628
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: think about how and so hot in here. Yeah that's

629
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: Chuck Brown. Everybody a little bit of the whole ship.

630
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: But you can't don't nobody know that, you know what

631
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So he's always like, I feel like busting

632
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: noose and Nelly said, I feel like touching you he

633
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: said in the song. So the the culture and him

634
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: being a student is never left. I'm just more of

635
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: a blatant student, like I'm gonna give you like the

636
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Diddy the big sample as well too. What was the

637
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: song is hard? What was the hardest song to get clear? Damn,

638
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: they're still clearing right now. Ship. I'm trying to think

639
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: the hardest one that probably came out to be clear.

640
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't know none. I'm gonna be honest with you though,

641
00:32:54,440 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: because publishers songwriters that haven't passed that. Oh No, the

642
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: song the hardest song to get clear is Michael Michael Jackson.

643
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: I have a song called Transparency with Chris Brown that

644
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: he put out. He didn't put it out, He just

645
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: soft launched it and it got leaked or something like that,

646
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: and teen Breezy went crazy, like it went crazy to

647
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: the point that the man still performed the song. He

648
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: performed it on his last tour like it was just

649
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: a leak. It's a cult favorite and rest in peace.

650
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: Rod Temperton. Yeah, I think his estate wouldn't allow us

651
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: to clear it. We couldn't get all the situations, connect

652
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: the t's and dot the eye. Yeah, because he wrote

653
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: c J what we try to get nice on a

654
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: Broadway Chuck George Benson soon, Oh, yeah, I know you're

655
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah man, I said, oh no, I can't

656
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: pay that can't Yeah, So I wasn't able to We

657
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: weren't able to get that clear. And then it's the

658
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: funny part when we were talking about CB and Usher,

659
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: it's the whole funniest shit. So at that point, you know,

660
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: I told you I got a bunch of demos or whatever.

661
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: So before CB end up the song, God ended up

662
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: playing it for two Chains, who also was one of

663
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: my big big he my big o G you know

664
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So he get a pass on everything

665
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: for me. I get him whatever. He won't, so I

666
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: played it for him. He liked it. Told him about

667
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: the song Clearance CB. We couldn't get it clear. It

668
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: was CB single. He couldn't get it clear Chains was

669
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: I still want the song, y'all can't get it clear.

670
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: He's like, let's go replay it. He got with Mike Dean.

671
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: He replayed it. He ended up putting Usher on a

672
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: song and Usher resanging the part that CB was singing it.

673
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: And it was on College Row too. It was Wayne

674
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: two Chains and Usher and it had mild success, but

675
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't as as incredible as the initial one. Wow.

676
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: So as a producer song, what percentage? What's the percentage?

677
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: Is like? So you cult? So you on the song,

678
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: you're the producer. You taking feet to percent m So

679
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: for me in twenty twenty six, I ain't working with

680
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: you unless you're doing pop splits. See it's nigga splits

681
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: and it's okay, okay, what's a pop split? It's one

682
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the pie? Right, Yeah, it's four people

683
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: in a room. Yeah, I don't care who made the beat,

684
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: who wrote the song, and we all get twenty. Everybody

685
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: get twenty in a row twenty five mean, yeah, twenty five? Sciven,

686
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: we'all get twenty five, Okay, Nigga splits. Yeah, I made

687
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: the beat. I won't fifty percent. I don't care who

688
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: wrote it. Eight nine people could have wrote that song.

689
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: I won't fifty percent of it because I made the beat.

690
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: And that's the difference between that. So I just want

691
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: to be and not to say I do that, because

692
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: I told you, I work with a lot of different people.

693
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: So I'll probably with me writing the songs and doing that,

694
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: I'll probably get. If I was doing split still, I

695
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: would give my co producers forty percent of the beat.

696
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: I'll take ten to fifteen percent. Maybe maybe they get

697
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: thirty five, maybe i'll get fifteen. And then I combine

698
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: that with what I wrote on the top line with

699
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: the artists, and maybe they make away with thirty five

700
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: and I make away with thirty twenty five, depending on

701
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: me and Krishan how we split it up. But that's

702
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: really the whole play. So do the sign paperwork? Hell? Yeah,

703
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: cause you know, cause you know a bad I thought bad.

704
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: I thought I thought we were cool. Nah, it ain't

705
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: none of that this high level you know how that go?

706
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: Like it ain't nobody anybody that's in my room. I've

707
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: cultivated the room to where if you're in it, you

708
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: in it. And it ain't no mysterious that sitting on

709
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: the couch scratching his balls saying about Roote that line like, nah,

710
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: it ain't. It ain't happening like that. You got to

711
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: quality control your rooms, my brother, nobody. It just hit

712
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: a little bit different. But that's what That's what the

713
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: beauty of having finances resources, to have your own studio,

714
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: to make your own decisions, to have your own setup,

715
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: to do all. You know what I'm saying. You get

716
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: to control the environment. I think that it only gets

717
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: tricky when you walk into somebody else shit and then

718
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: you gotta play by their rules kind of like remind me,

719
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: like when I work with Mustard and shit like that,

720
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: you don't got nothing bad to stay by busting Hell no, Okay, good.

721
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: Maybe is there anything that you've written for other artists

722
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: that people will be surprised that you actually wrote? Hell yeah, uh,

723
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: I will probably say, like all the female verses, because

724
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: that's what the tricky thing is about, Like this whole

725
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: music business shinning and and I feel bad and this

726
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: goes back to my relationship life. It goes back to

727
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: everything that's happening in the world. Men influence female rap

728
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: more than publicized or let know, so when you see

729
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: women putting out the energy of city girls, or you

730
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: gotta buy me this or this that the third, I

731
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: need the Burke and I need the g wagon. I

732
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: need there's a strong percentage that a man influenced that

733
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: that lyric and that a man wrote that lyric. And

734
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: I've been that mad before, so in reality, that might

735
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: be my most not my highlight. You know what I'm saying,

736
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: Cause I'm sad about that shit. I don't want these

737
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: girls telling me that shit like it's a mentality now,

738
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like people really think that

739
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: that comes with an expectation, but it's right. Yeah, while

740
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: they go in the booth and say it, and they

741
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: go home today the husband and do what they do.

742
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: So it's like it's a dope week. I'm enough for you,

743
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: gang for me? Do you make Have you ever made

744
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: a rapper redoers verse? Do they feel some type of way? Yeah,

745
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: I mean I mean because they might feel some type

746
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: of way. Hit if you didn't want to feel on

747
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: type of way go do that shit at home. Why

748
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: are you coming to work with me? You want perfection? Right? Yeah?

749
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: You want me to push you to another level? Right?

750
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: You come to me to get a hit record, right?

751
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: So whether I want you to do an allb over

752
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: or a verse over or whatever. But I ain't gonna

753
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: lie like It's been very rare to where I having

754
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: like drawn out conversations or bites or something like that

755
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: to me, doctor Dre And I think that he's the

756
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: king of making somebody redo their ship over and over again.

757
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: He's more meticulous because he's thinking he's like that and

758
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: and that then or the way you said the doesn't

759
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: really connect with me. It doesn't fit to me. All

760
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: my music about feeling shanning. I'm going to the studio,

761
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: I'm getting we having a good time. If it feel good,

762
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: it gotta feel good. Mumble that ship. You heard young

763
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: thug wrap these damn songs, nigga. You don't know what

764
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: the nigga said for the whole shit, but the feeling

765
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: was was irreplaceable. And that's what I'm chasing. A lot

766
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: of people are chasing perfection. I found beauty and imperfection,

767
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm more concerned with Wow. I like that,

768
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: I really do. So. I think you mentioned this. You

769
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with ghostwriters. It's like hate no me?

770
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: But what what? What? What what? Because you know I

771
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: heard it, you're not a true MC if you get

772
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: somebody to get on what is that about? If I

773
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: had a ghost rider shatter and I wouldn't have sold

774
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: drugs as a kid, I could have stayed in my

775
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: house and not do nothing. Somebody could have did something

776
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: for me and put me in a different position. I

777
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: just think that a lot of different people are so

778
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: caught up into yeah road when you realize that the

779
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: ultimate warrior just some random looking white man when he

780
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: take that shit off. Bro, if you are you want

781
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: stone cold to be stone cold off the camera. Yeah,

782
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: but it don't work like that, you know what I'm saying. So,

783
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: in reality, the business is bigger than what you the influence,

784
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: and sometimes the influencer can be bigger than the business.

785
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: Think about an artist like a Playboy CARDI man don't

786
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: do no interviews, Man, don't talk to nobody, this, that,

787
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: and the third sell out arena. So it's really about

788
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: what what fits you? Like if I was who's a

789
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: producer that don't really talk at all, Like I'm trying

790
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: to think like that, don't really say no words in

791
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: this climate right now, Doctor Luke Max Martin, You ever

792
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: heard of them? I have the biggest in the game.

793
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: You want to know why they don't talk, because man,

794
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: only black people like to talk. White people don't be

795
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: saying shit them up. We want people to understand us

796
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: and understand what we went through for the culture. We

797
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: concerned about culture. They concerned about currency, and I want current.

798
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I'm I'm trying to. I'm trying

799
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: to get the balance and act for this culture, ship

800
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: this currency for real, for real, cause I could be

801
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: saying too much right now. You're trying to get a bill. Huh,

802
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: a big bill two three something like that. You know

803
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that that that generational will. Yeah, has

804
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: an artist ever tried to take a song that you

805
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: had already promised to another artist? Every day? Right now?

806
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: How do you handle that? No? They can come on, Hey,

807
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: whatever they're paying, I got you. I'm a double it.

808
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: Where do I see your career going? I can't be

809
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: bought right now in that aspect. If we got an

810
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: A list artist, if I got Nicki minajs that want

811
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: a record, and I got someone that's developing that wants

812
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: a record. Even though the developing artist wants to pay

813
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: me triple or what Nicki Minaj wants to pay me.

814
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm not in a financial situation or a buying to

815
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: where like I got to make that decision. I'm operating

816
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: out of you know, I'm not operating yeah the rest,

817
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm not moving like that, so I'm able to make

818
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: the strategic move that could be best for me and

819
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: my team. Is there a song that you've ever gave

820
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: into an artist and it's never been released? Yeah, all

821
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: the time. What damn, We'll take it back and let

822
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: somebody else release it. I mean I could do that

823
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: now when I was a smaller producer, I couldn't do that. Now.

824
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: It's just like I don't go. You know what I'm saying, Like,

825
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with me. You gotta work

826
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: your way up to be a staple in the business

827
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: to where you can make decisions like that, to where

828
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: it won't be a backlash on you. You can give

829
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: the wrong record away, like and there is royalty for records,

830
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: like there is a certain jay Z come say he

831
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: won't this this, and then man, ain't nobody gonna hear

832
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: that shit? Nicki says she want this, this and this.

833
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody gonna hear that. But if it's a developing

834
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: act or someone that I feel like doesn't have as

835
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: much cachet or to even say that to me, they

836
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: already know that they that they gotta pay first. You

837
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: like this record, you like it, you want to be

838
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: your pay right, pay upfront at least a small fifty

839
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: fifty thousand. Yeah, no, behove and Nikki Ah, you're good.

840
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep We said that to the side. Yeah, bro,

841
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: NICKI probably got songs from me that I don't even

842
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: remember no more, that's just sitting on her hard drive

843
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: or this, that and the third like, but she got

844
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: that senior to me, she up changed my life. Wow,

845
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: what do you what? Streaming? Where are you on streaming?

846
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: Because a lot of artists, a lot of artists, they

847
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: don't They're like, bro, I don't know. I'm sitting somewhere

848
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: with like twenty five twenty seven, almost thirty billion streams.

849
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: I don't you like it? No, you don't like it?

850
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: I ain't I don't got thirty billion on my account.

851
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: I got that. Would that make good money? I mean

852
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: Drake doing I mean Drake has already done a billion

853
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: a billion streams that the money is in radio shining?

854
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: Is it radio? Yes, it's in performance. This is what

855
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: the real deal is, right. I can compare Spotify, Apple

856
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: and everyone to for you where you can get a

857
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: real idea about it. That TV networks Okay, NFL got

858
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: to deal with them. Yes, what your money that you

859
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: was in the NFL? Right? Did you get a check

860
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: for from ABC? Right? So that's how hard it is

861
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: to get a check for strang Oh so a so

862
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: somebody making the money and then they give you a

863
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: little bit of the money. Yeah, but it's only a

864
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: few companies in this business. Gang Universal pretty much owns

865
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: the whole music business. Okay. So if Universal goes and

866
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: does a deal with Spotify, Apple Music for their artists,

867
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: they received a large lump song. They ain't worry about

868
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: that trickle down effect you get, You get a the

869
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: top artist is gonna make their money. The Taylor swere

870
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: of the Drakes, they gonna get good money. I don't

871
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: even think that they even care about their streaming money. Really,

872
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: maybe at some point but that won't trump the branding,

873
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: That won't trump the touring, that won't trump anything else.

874
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: The radio spans. These are all people that are hot

875
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: one hundred artists on the radio. So it wouldn't it

876
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't it wouldn't. It would be a dropping a bucket

877
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: compared to where they getting other finances from. Yeah, I

878
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: see what a tailor and Beyonce make touring. I want

879
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: to Yeah, for real? Oh that mercy, I mean what

880
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: but it's but it's still like I don't know if

881
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: that's enough either. Huh. No, it's a production. The bigger,

882
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: the bigger money, the bigger show. Yeah, for sure. So

883
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: if you heard about that money that that Taylor Swift

884
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: gave all the people, all that money, they saying what

885
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: how much you give them? C J? I think like

886
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: five hundred fives of the piece. I don't listen to

887
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: what white people do with their money because it don't

888
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: it ain't in my world. You you you you write

889
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: a song for Taylor, but hell yeah, I write a nigga.

890
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: I write the rest of her career. I mean, how

891
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: many more tmes you got to take? A you're talking about?

892
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: But no, that's gonna make sense bonuses that she gave her.

893
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest though, like Taylor Swift. Uh, she

894
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: at that that moment too. If I got two hundred

895
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: million bonuses to get out, then I'm gonna just be

896
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: a novelty artist. I'm gonna pop out what I want to. Yeah,

897
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: hop out there, man, I ain't damn whatever. When is

898
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: enough enough? How much is an eight? Holdok, let me

899
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: ask you a question. Damn Yeah, all right, it ain't

900
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: no difference between fifty million and a hundred million. I

901
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: think if you got fifty you could do what the

902
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: guy where the hunting got doing. Yeah. When is it enough? Well,

903
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: Elon muskworth three quarters of a Tria. Don't you don't

904
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: see to think it's enough? I do you know what

905
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean? When you I guess, I mean when you

906
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: look at these guys and they got a hundred billion

907
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: and two hundred and three hundred and four hundred billion,

908
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's fifty generations worth of money. As

909
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: long as I can still provide for myself and provide

910
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: for my family, I'm good. I'm good long as when

911
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: I leave here, I can leave something for my kids

912
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: and the people that I love. I can take care

913
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: of them. Boy, you lying, I'm good, you're lying. Why

914
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: are we doing this interview? Then? What you mean because

915
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: you got it already game? No, I ain't got it

916
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: like that. No, goot it like that she fell back. Yeah, yeah,

917
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: we got it like that. But I think the thing

918
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: look coming from where it look you had it, you know,

919
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: your your mommy, your dad. They had money. We didn't

920
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: have money like that. And and and to be able

921
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: to get now and to like when my sister come

922
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: stay and to you know, whatever she wants to. You know,

923
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, she just loves water, like, oh my god,

924
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: my sister probably drink. She's been there three weeks, probably

925
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: doing drunk, like ten cases of water. What wait wait

926
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 1: wait the aquapana. Where is she going to? The Saratoga?

927
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: What's the word I drank? Jordan end essence, it's Sancha

928
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: sent you. Yeah, I mean, you know, she likes the fool.

929
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: I mean, she she don't really want to go anywhere,

930
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: so she'll have my sister instacrt all this stuff to

931
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: the house and she just just see she don't want

932
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: to go anywhere. But that's nice and my mom to

933
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: be able to take care of my mom and buy

934
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: my mama car and let her come to Vegas, you know,

935
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: go go to the casino. I'm finna be on your watch.

936
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: But this is my therapist there, Shannon. What is enough

937
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: for you? You got one life to live, you one

938
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: person when you get in that gravel, by myself, by

939
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: my loansome, what is enough for you? And we can't

940
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: never answer that question. That's why I said it ain't

941
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. No, you're right. Jim Jones told you

942
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: not to do reality TV. Do you regret not doing it?

943
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: I did it? You did it. I was all love

944
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: and hip hop? Why you do that? Seep? You up

945
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: or you were up? Both? What in reality? I'm gonna

946
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: be honest with you, like I told you. I came

947
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: back with Tamar and Vince or whatever, and it convinced

948
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: me to move to LA And then the girl Hazel

949
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: E was like, yeah, we're doing love and hip hop.

950
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: Ry J's doing it, this, that and the third. And

951
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: I had known her, you know, I'm saying from the past,

952
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, fuck, okay, I do it. But

953
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: at that time I was advised by higher up, like

954
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: I was working close with Diddy. I was working close

955
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: with Nicki and NICKI had like business with Mona Scott

956
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: at the time. They had like a mixed moscato or

957
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: something like that. They had alcoholic beverage together. So I

958
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: think that love and hip Hop was kind of like

959
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: her guilty pressure pleasure at the time. And I asked her,

960
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, if I decide to do this, would

961
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: you be comfortable with me saying that I'm working with

962
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: you and while this is going on? And she said yeah.

963
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: So once they both gave me the green light to say,

964
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: I can say that I'm working with them on while

965
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing the show, I just felt like I trumped

966
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: everybody that was on the show because I was actively

967
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: making hit records at the and this is the beginning

968
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: of my career. It's twenty fourteen, right, but I was

969
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: I was speaking to existing and alluding to where I

970
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: felt like my career was going. Wow, you make good

971
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: money at that Damn no. But they make good money

972
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: on shows, right. They they made you drink enough, you

973
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: drank like you was getting good money. See I'm talking

974
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: about that. And that's what's so crazy about doing them

975
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: type of shows though, because it's like boom this early

976
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: before I knew anything. So you go to the you

977
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: do the show I'm talking about uncle, I'm head of

978
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: towing Zara. You go spend your little money as Zara

979
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: to get fresh and then I ain't had no car

980
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: at the time or whatever, so they send you a

981
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: car to come pick you up. The van or suv

982
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: or whatever form of transportation they use at the time,

983
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: come pick you up. It's rocking the car. They pouring

984
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: you up. Off you get in, you drinking, vibing, doing

985
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 1: whatever you do. They drive you around, sit you somewhere

986
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: for like an hour and a half. No, now two hours?

987
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Are you just drinking on the phone, kicking it? This,

988
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: that and the third? You got nice little buzz going.

989
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: Then they say, congratulations, your worst enemy is right here

990
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: behind door number two. Here's the beats that you got

991
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: to hit, Nigga, and now go ahead action and then

992
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: that's the show. So you got to kind of navigate

993
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: through that. And I think that people operate negatively and

994
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: don't make the best decisions out of that situation because

995
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: they drunk when they do, like for sure, and my

996
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: Nigga's on cocon all type of shit that Nigga was

997
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: tripping to be wild like that. I ain't never did

998
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: coc in my life. I'm just with an ecstasy popper.

999
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: I ain't never really did know that that shit. But

1000
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna do you don't do the pills on more? Well, no,

1001
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: forty years old, I'm gonna die. I'm tomorrow gonna be

1002
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: rough after that ship. But what about what do you

1003
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: think about car Carti is took the reality show and

1004
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: and and turn it into a very very promising They

1005
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: ain't promising. She here m hm. I like Cardi. They

1006
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: can't nobody to make me hear lover work whatever for

1007
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: she's great people. But anybody that that that that laid

1008
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: eyes on Cardi B in that moment or whatever, they

1009
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: seen what she was going. It that large personalities sometimes

1010
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: are bigger than the room. Might be bigger on the phone,

1011
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: might be bigger on the TV. Yep. So when you

1012
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: connect that with a hit record magic, you get wet ass.

1013
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: Why it's just a personality. I mean, she is who

1014
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: she is. She's unapologetically Cardly B. It still is. Yes, absolutely,

1015
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: I pray for the grace yo yo. A lot of

1016
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: people get a lot of grace. I think that me

1017
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: and you be thinking a lot of things, but we

1018
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: don't be able to say it. But I be jealous

1019
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: of the like I'll be telling Gilly this shit like

1020
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, Gilly to get on that be like you

1021
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: you bumm, y'all need to. I'm like, I can never

1022
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: say all type of shit. They gonna fry me the

1023
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: for sure. People got that grace, She got that grace. Yeah,

1024
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: why do you think she's been so successful because you

1025
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: know what it like to be for nobody like her,

1026
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: the same thing that I went through. I remember Cardi B.

1027
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: And she don't even remember it, but I was inswer

1028
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: was Rondevo when Cardi B was a stripper. She was

1029
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: always popular, and but they wasn't checking for the way

1030
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: they checking for it now, right. So I think that

1031
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: fear of the bottom is always gonna be the the

1032
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: motivation for anybody like us, anybody that's went through trials

1033
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: and tripulations to know what it's like or to see

1034
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: where people not like you like that. You always have

1035
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: an old woman fear. I heard Jimmy Ivean say this once.

1036
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: I used fears of that tail wing. So as much

1037
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: as fear as like in my face or whatever, I'm

1038
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: putting it at my boat and letting allowing it to

1039
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: push me all the way to what is it about rappers?

1040
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: So levs entertainer athletes traveling the same date the same woman.

1041
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: I ain't never did that? You did never? You ain't

1042
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: they fitty Walk salute the Fetti Wop. I'm actually working

1043
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: heavily with Fetti Wap right now. Like we got so

1044
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: much shit, Oh my god, I want to leaked the stories.

1045
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: But fetti Wop got some of the greatest yell bro

1046
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: his come home right now. I just left New York.

1047
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: Work on him right now. But I dated her prior

1048
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: to So you dated somebody that somebody else had. I

1049
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: just ask you that I know Maseeka from Chicago, and

1050
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: we weren't dating like that. We were really friends. Like

1051
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: she was really my friend and we were on a

1052
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: TV show and like they put me in Iland transparently

1053
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: when I did Love and Hip Hop, right, they do

1054
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: a whole cast party before we start shooting. Yeah, there

1055
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 1: was another cast made on the show that I respect

1056
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: enough to not even say her name or whatever. But

1057
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: she was my woman at the time too when we

1058
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: started the show, and Hazel and Masika and everybody on

1059
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: the show where we filmed it she ended up partying

1060
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: ways with the show and partying ways with me while

1061
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: on we were filming, and then they turned up these

1062
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: different relationships inside of the show. So once they turned

1063
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: up the situation with me and heye after I was

1064
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: already dealing with the other woman on the show. Me

1065
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: and Masika were really friends and she was my drinking partner.

1066
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: We would hang out, be creative or whatever. And once

1067
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: they said that, yo, like, would you ever kiss Masika?

1068
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: The staff suggested that and you did it? You right?

1069
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: But you know that who that was. I was an

1070
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: actor at that point. There ain't no actor. I'm actor,

1071
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: but but she wasn't his baby mom at the time.

1072
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: Oh okay? That they dated after him that situation, so

1073
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: that there rest that you were first man, I ain't

1074
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: claiming that, okay, but you and bye Wa dated the

1075
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: same one. That woman was on the TV show. I

1076
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: just said, you would have bowe while dated the same one.

1077
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: And that woman who I won't say her name, was

1078
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: on the TV show and was my girlfriend on the

1079
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: show before that last situation. The other two situations were

1080
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: talking about. She was the one that got relieved from

1081
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: the TV show. So yeah, I can't no, but I'm saying,

1082
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: but y'all, but I mean he kind of felt, probably

1083
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: felt some kind of way about that nah that was

1084
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: before him. So I was first. Oh lord, I didn't

1085
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: know if it was a race. You heard ray j

1086
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: I had it first. I hate it. I'm joking. What

1087
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: is it about? What is it about? It is because

1088
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: celeb's athlete influence entertainers, they all like the same type

1089
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: of woman. The same type of woman are in that area.

1090
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're in the serengettio, a

1091
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: lion will hunt Wildelby's Elon could koodoo. I mean, because

1092
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: that's what's in proximity. So what's in proximity to you

1093
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: is what's in proximity to other rapper and producers. I

1094
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: got highs. These these women are beautiful, but you know

1095
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: she belonged to if she been with somebody else you

1096
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: don't like. But she done been with somebody that you

1097
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: don't have been with a uncle. You Keith forgetting I

1098
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: landed on Plymouth rocks first. I'm older than these, but look, hey,

1099
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I look at it. You know a ball A second

1100
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: hand car? Did I'm better use car now? You ain't

1101
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: always been driving it? First, a car I ain't had

1102
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: no secondhand consince. I got a money Carlo. Back when

1103
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: I was like seventeen, I had a money Colo used

1104
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: money Colo on twenty two's I call that bitch big bird.

1105
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: It was canary yellow. But I ain't have a hand

1106
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: down sense. How you feel about that? You would you

1107
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: day somebody that you know? Yo? You yeah? Come on yeah, nigga,

1108
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. This it ain't just in rap yeah, athletes, yeah,

1109
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: for sure. It's more in football. And let's be clear,

1110
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: football niggas the worst. Why are the words the biggest trick?

1111
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: I ain't no football with the biggest I see football

1112
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: trick more than basketball. What helmet syndrome? You know them

1113
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: centric you know y'all first name, last name. Yeah, but

1114
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: they don't see us like they do the basketball player,

1115
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 1: cause you know it'll changed my life to I gotta

1116
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: salute them. Ryan M. Kenney when I moved to Miami, Yeah,

1117
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: it started his own record label. After I went through

1118
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: all my shit or whatever, blah blah blah, I was

1119
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: revamping on me becoming hit maker. He bought me a

1120
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: condo at the Icon Brickle in Miami or whatever, paid

1121
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: for it for the whole year and allowed me just

1122
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: to work or whatever and do my whole shit. And man,

1123
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: first name, last name, I've seen that run through million.

1124
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: I've seen that burn at least twenty million in my face.

1125
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: What first name, last name? You know that hell and syndrome?

1126
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: You just one of them. So you can't relate. You know,

1127
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: it's a producer out there. They can't relate to what

1128
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing right now too, Oh for sure, absolutely, But

1129
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: what do you learned about mixing business with pleasure? Oh? Man,

1130
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: get ready for the fireworks to fly. No, but you

1131
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: can't put your You can't put your dick in your

1132
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: wallet though here man, see I can't can't do that.

1133
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: Though making a song is a sexual experience, creating music

1134
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: might be the closest thing the sex possible. But just

1135
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: leave it at it be close. Don't go that, don't

1136
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: don't What are the two situations I had? The girl

1137
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: that saying the business or whatever like that was really

1138
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,959
Speaker 1: like my my girlfriend at the time, like my side.

1139
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: I hate to say that she was someone I was dating.

1140
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: And the other girl that you're alluding to that I

1141
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: feel like the questions are leading us to no image.

1142
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: Stay clear today. Okay, So that woman she's also someone

1143
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: that was that still is a best friend of me.

1144
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: We started off as best friends and we're still our

1145
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: best friends. We go through bullshit or whatever, but we've

1146
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: been through some bullshit. But at the same token, it

1147
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily like you can hire me and I can

1148
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: go work with an artist and never speak to them.

1149
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: These were personal buildings that happened. It wasn't about like

1150
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: the way I came in. It wasn't like here's the example.

1151
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a list. I'm a list. And then

1152
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: we go and we hit it off, and then we

1153
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: get and we know that we on bull shit getting

1154
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: to him. This is something developing ship. We meet each

1155
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,919
Speaker 1: other on a real personal level and then turned into

1156
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: something and now it's the songs and the music that

1157
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: got bigger than what we even know what we're doing personally.

1158
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: I read that a woman tried to set you up

1159
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: by getting your house robbed. She did. Huh she did?

1160
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: She did like literally, hello, oh my goodness, but I

1161
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: don't know what if I got myself here with this

1162
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: here man, so she pined, So she she pinned your location. Yeah. Well,

1163
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: for the in depth deep dive on that situation, I'm

1164
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: gonna tell you the truth, man, and that's what the

1165
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: horny shit come into. So I was. It was the

1166
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: first day at COVID in La. You probably still living

1167
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: in the lakes. I was when they shut us down

1168
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: the first day. It was kind of damn. Nobody was

1169
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: shut down, like California. Wasn't nothing open. I'm talking about

1170
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. I mean the Full five, bro, they shut us.

1171
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: I could do the centipede in the Full five and

1172
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: never get run over. They shut us down. So they did.

1173
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: You know what I did? I got on a computer.

1174
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: I got a vibe or can't go nowhere? Have me

1175
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: some drinks, some libations. I'm just vibbing throughout the day,

1176
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: making music, calling co producers, calling people i'm working with.

1177
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: Just you know, like how you surviving the COVID, you know,

1178
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: just being creative. So when you when you when you

1179
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: day drink, you crash at some point. Yeah, so I

1180
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: crashed about. I cooked me at dinner day drink, cooked

1181
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: me at dinner in five six fella sleep. Woke up

1182
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: about midnight. You know when you wake up at midnight?

1183
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: Right that phone thing close to you? Yeah, and get

1184
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: the scrolling. Okay, uh, what you doing? Who live while

1185
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: you live. What you're doing live, ain't it closed down?

1186
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm throwing ass on the live, this, that and the third.

1187
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know what? Sent her a little? No,

1188
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: I just sent her a little I'm in in the live.

1189
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: She get off live and jumping my text, Hey babe,

1190
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: where you at? What you're doing? Blah blah blah. Should

1191
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm at home when I'm doing I'm at home, same

1192
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: thing you doing? She like, send me a uber? Like,

1193
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: all right, bet sent her uber. She come on my

1194
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: crib and at that time, I mean, it's all pasted

1195
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: or whatever. So boom, she opened my door. I got

1196
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: my gun on me, off the rip. It's like, come in,

1197
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: gun on me. I put the alarm on. Stay. You

1198
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: know how you can set it up through it? Naw. Look,

1199
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: my house was set up so interesting at the time

1200
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: it willling hell, so boom. First floor in my house

1201
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: when you let her in, laundry room, studio, office, second floor,

1202
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: I got elevated in the but second floor, gus room,

1203
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: gus room, master bedroom, third floor, living room, dining room, kitchen, pool, jacuzzi,

1204
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: all the other shit. So it was set up really interesting.

1205
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 1: So now when she's on her way to the crib.

1206
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: She like, babe, heath the jakouzie up, blah blah blah.

1207
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: You know, in my mind, I'm like, this is cold

1208
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: as hell outside. Better come eat this dick. Ain't nobody

1209
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: going no motherfuckers Colby, you know how cold it be outside?

1210
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: Like you think you're gonna be just outside? That's that's

1211
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: that was February. Yeah, so boom, she get there. We vibing.

1212
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: We going the house now. Look, I'm so I'm so

1213
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: first time COVID. I'm doing the lamest shit ever. I

1214
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: got sorry out. Were playing board games and drinking, doing

1215
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: whatever with the girl. So we vibing and I'm chilling

1216
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: with her, just like I'm chilling with you. I turn

1217
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: my back. I'm cooling. I turn around next time. Wow,

1218
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: she slapped this ship out me. What yes? So like

1219
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like stars fly around my head like tweety

1220
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: bird or whatever. I'm like, what the going on? Girl?

1221
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: And slap me? So boom. I'm working for Atlantic. So

1222
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: I grab her. I'm like, yo, what are you doing?

1223
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: Pull out my phone start filming her. That's the first

1224
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: thing they come to my mind, Like I work for

1225
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: this public, I work for this company. Yeah, I'm near start.

1226
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, so I'm feeling her.

1227
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: She like, she ain't say no words. She go look

1228
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: out by my pool, looking she's getting she come back,

1229
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: sit down. Next thing I know, my whole alarm going off.

1230
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: So now I'm in that motherfucker grabbed my gun. I'm like,

1231
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what the going on. So like I

1232
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: got my gun and like I'm looking and I'm pointing

1233
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: it towards the pool. I see walking running by my

1234
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: pool and hoodies and shit like that. I'm holding a

1235
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 1: gun like this what you think happened? Next, she tried

1236
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: to wrestle a gun from me. Wow, she punched me right,

1237
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: my shit, So now I got the gun. I'm fighting

1238
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 1: with this young lady while we in this shit or whatever,

1239
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: like yo, I'm screaming at it. Yo, stop please, what

1240
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,479
Speaker 1: are you doing? Dada? She fighting with me. I ain't

1241
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: happy about this shit. I had to split her. Wow,

1242
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: hit it once, wo hit it twice with the gun.

1243
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: The gun go off. So now people thinking that, like

1244
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: I guess they probably thought I shot her, you know

1245
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and kept her whatever. So now yet

1246
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: my front door they had this you know what I'm saying,

1247
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: all this shit documents are on problem, and I ain't

1248
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: never spoke candidly about this happily either. So they at

1249
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: my front door kicking, but the alarm going off, so

1250
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: they know it's a short amount of time they had

1251
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: to leave. So boom, police come, my security come. Guess

1252
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: who good friends with the police? That come? My security

1253
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: EXLAPD officer. So they in there. She won't open up phone,

1254
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: she won't do nothing. They finally did whatever they did,

1255
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: which is none of my business. I wasn't even private

1256
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: it out and I don't know what happened whatever. So

1257
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: she opened the phone. She dropped location, my location, a

1258
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: couple other famous celebrities locations that lived in this shit

1259
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: or whatever that and I just was on that list.

1260
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: So from there she went. My security team got me.

1261
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: They took me from my house at Woodland Hills at

1262
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: the time. They took me towards Tapanga Mall or whatever,

1263
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: and I guess like a little Hilton over there or whatever.

1264
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: They put me in Hilton. I went to sleep, woke

1265
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: up the next day. The woman in my phone, you

1266
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: got to pay me two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

1267
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: for what you did to me this, that, and the

1268
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: third I had my security take her home. She sent

1269
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: a picture she like, I'm gonna go on the internet this,

1270
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: then a third blah blah blah. I'd already lawyered up

1271
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: by the end. My lawyer said, don't speak to nothing,

1272
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: don't do nothing, or whatever. She came out with that shit.

1273
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: My lawyer had already communicated with Atlantic Records and everything

1274
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: that was going on to explain the situation. Through the

1275
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: grace of God, I had all type of security cameras

1276
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: in my house, so I was able to put on

1277
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: my Instagram to show multiple men passing guns do my shit.

1278
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: They was able to put on my surveillance in the

1279
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: house of her putting her hands on me, fighting me,

1280
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: punching me, and doing all this other stuff or whatever.

1281
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: And then at that point, bro I left LA and

1282
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: I just went and I was just like I felt

1283
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: like I was like Fiable golds West, Like I had

1284
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: a tree branch and a bandanna with my things and

1285
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: it's just going I'm just bouncing around and still trying

1286
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: to work and do whatever I gotta do, and then

1287
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I just that was like my

1288
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: first home purchase because you know, I was renting the house.

1289
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: I was doing a dummy renting the twelve thou fifteen

1290
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: thousand a month house, doing all the shit full of

1291
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 1: and whatever. That was my first home that I purchased,

1292
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: and I felt really accomplished for persons at home, and

1293
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: I had to sell the house. Somehow. She ended up

1294
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: dying in the midst of that shit or whatever. She

1295
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: disappeared off the face of the earth. And when all

1296
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: the truth came to the light, I was vindicated and

1297
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 1: I was able to continue on my career. Did they

1298
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: find the guys that were trying to break into your home?

1299
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: You don't even care about that. We talked earlier and

1300
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned like, yeah, I'd like to find somebody, but

1301
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: if I don't I really want kids, I really won't.

1302
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: I really I really want to hit maker Junior. Yeah

1303
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean don't you want like I mean,

1304
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: I had to discuss it, I like earlier. It's like,

1305
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: don't you want that person to be with like, honey,

1306
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm home, Hey boy, ain't Junior? Don't you want that?

1307
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: I just don't know how realistic it is. Shame it

1308
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 1: ain't really you got you got that at home? No,

1309
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: I work into it. How do you are? I'm fifty seven.

1310
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: I'll be fifty eight in June. There we go. But see,

1311
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: I made the mistake that you make what I put

1312
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: work in front of everything, and I missed out on

1313
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: a lot of great relationships. Would you rather be up

1314
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: and without a woman or would you rather be with

1315
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: the woman and not as other as you are? You

1316
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: want to tell you God on the true Yeah, I'd

1317
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: rather be up, not up as much and have somebody career.

1318
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: I do it. But the thing is, I don't think

1319
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: easy to get along with it because I ain't because

1320
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm not. I need like I need. I need. I

1321
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: need to be showered with love. But I know I

1322
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: need to that mean my space too, Yes, I need to.

1323
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: Like no, I'm a virgo, like yo, I need. I

1324
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: might be the hardest person to be in a relationship with.

1325
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: And I'm totally like, yeah, understanding woman. I mean, I've

1326
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: kind of let some of my you know, my idiosyncrasies

1327
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: out and people like, oh, you do too much. You know,

1328
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: I'm a neat freak. I'm a clean freak. Don't leave

1329
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: dishes in the sink. Don't they turn the fan on

1330
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: when you take a shower because I want you to

1331
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: follow up the mirrors. Hey, close the door when you

1332
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. Don't be passing gas in front

1333
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: of me. I can't do none of that. I ain't

1334
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: did none of that. You might, yo, i'ma be honest.

1335
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: You know why I want yea. He might be my daddy. Boy,

1336
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: you're talking like this ship, but I don't do none

1337
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: of that. Ship boy, you old enough to be my

1338
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: daddy fifty eight. I'm about to be forty and you

1339
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: could have had me at eighteen. Boy, I can't have

1340
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: no ain't everything that you said on that list ain't

1341
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: no way none. I can't. I can't. I can't rock

1342
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: with none of that. But it is something that's gonna

1343
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: be less of men. That's gonna let they hold damn

1344
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,600
Speaker 1: you donna let their young lady, Yeah, uh, defecate on

1345
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: theyself next to them, that's gonna do. That's gonna do

1346
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: all the weird. It's gonna let her. You know what

1347
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know what I get everybody go to

1348
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: the That's fine. I'm not saying she can't go to

1349
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: the bathroom. I just don't need to know never because

1350
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: I got so many bathrooms. There's no need for me

1351
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: to go, thank you. You don't know when I'm going

1352
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. I ain't throwing no ps a out

1353
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: when I'm going to the bathroom. Look, just ain't a flight.

1354
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: You don't have to let me know. We bored in

1355
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: five minutes exactly. Okay. But you know, some people think

1356
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: that's love, and that's that's too ghetto for me. That's

1357
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: ghetto love. I'm good. I'm sure. See I might be

1358
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: fifty eight. Yeah, but you ain't doing it the way

1359
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: I do it. How you do it. If I'm I'm going, Polly,

1360
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm going will Neo? You have more? You more so?

1361
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: Not Neil got I think what three four? Yeah? If

1362
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 1: I'm fifty eight, why why not go Leonardo di Caprio?

1363
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: I thought you was talking about Neo both but that's

1364
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 1: the black version you're talking about. No, I don't. I

1365
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: don't know the people. Can I ask you a question? Yeah?

1366
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: What what the you know? You know who? You know?

1367
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: What I like for you? Who I am? Bryant? Yeah

1368
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: you go man. Yeah, I've seen the energy game. I

1369
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: watched that interview. I'm I'm friendly, I'm cordial to everybody,

1370
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: every every every young lady that's been on the show.

1371
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: They said that about cash Doll, they said that about that,

1372
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: They said that about Key Key, they said that. But

1373
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: I've seen something. They said that about Glow. You know

1374
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: what it is, though, what is it? Just we such

1375
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: dominant men, we want we want to get to the

1376
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: bottom of that, just to let her know, like you

1377
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: ain't you ain't, No, I don't. I think think. I

1378
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: think she was amazing, I think and and somebody's gonna

1379
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: be very very fortunate to have have that young she

1380
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: look like in person. She liked that, come on, cheers

1381
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: to that. Cheers Doc. She liked that, hold you, she

1382
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: liked that. She liked that. You also mentioned earlier about therapy.

1383
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: You've done therapy, stealing it. Why was it important for

1384
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: you to go to therapy? You don't have no one

1385
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: to talk to? And in reality, right, I'm just such

1386
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 1: a man and I feel like like complaining about things.

1387
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: So it's really more so like some a safe space

1388
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: to go and tell you know what I'm saying, Like,

1389
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: don't nobody they want to hear, No, nobody want to

1390
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: hear a problem? Sho No, don't nobody want to hear

1391
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 1: my problems? There's a saying that fifty percent don't care

1392
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: that you got problems, and the other fifty percent glad

1393
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: you got them. Oh, fifty percent, okay, you got problem.

1394
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: The other fifty percent want to see on love and

1395
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: hip hop. So that's all it is. It ain't it's

1396
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: and deeper than that. Man I wish, I wish. Man

1397
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: I hate that we even talking about these dynamics because

1398
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna fry me up and it's gonna be a

1399
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: very viral interview. But man I wish I wasn't so

1400
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: triggering to the internet. But man I wish it was

1401
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: a safe place for women to really have these type

1402
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: of conversations because it's unfortunate. Like even when I look

1403
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: at it, one of my therapists is a woman. Mm hmm,

1404
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: So were they like I'm confiding a man to go

1405
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: get a man opinion or whatever. I really want to

1406
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: know the dynamics of women that how it's supposed to feel.

1407
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: That's only that I've only had women in st there.

1408
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: But we don't feel comfortable telling that to our partners

1409
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: because as soon as you get vulnerable with your partner, hey,

1410
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: look at you different. Yep, you're absolutely right. So yeah,

1411
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: you you you you know you we you didn't have

1412
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: this great relationship with your mom. Come on now I'm

1413
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: telling you stuff and confidence and there you're gonna use

1414
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: the throw it in my face and I'm using this

1415
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: you my first therapist, male therapist. I'm using this like

1416
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: a session right now. They still gonna say that ship though,

1417
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: if you think how many women are gonna called me

1418
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: or this and the third you ain't got a relationship

1419
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: with your mom, but you brother, they're gonna they're gonna

1420
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: use everything against you. But the minute we turn this

1421
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: ship around and say we want to use some of

1422
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: their deficiencies against us, then we sassy wed. Yeah for sure.

1423
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So you can't win. You mentioned,

1424
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: have you had a conversation with your mom? We talk

1425
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 1: all the time, not as not as close as I

1426
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: would like to be, but we don't know each other

1427
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:53,879
Speaker 1: shinna right like. And this is what the most traumatic

1428
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: part of my my life is probably is that when

1429
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: I got on and I'll be sing young berg and

1430
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: all these other different things. Man, my mom. I haven't

1431
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: had a real relation with my mom in over twenty years,

1432
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: so she don't know who I am. As a person right,

1433
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,440
Speaker 1: her life went her direction. She went and got remarried,

1434
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: she went and did that, she went and established her morely, No,

1435
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: she didn't have more kids, but she went and did

1436
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: whatever she did. And but my mom had one of

1437
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: the biggest childcare centers in the Chicago, Illinois just period

1438
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: in the state of Illinois. So she was a serial entrepreneur.

1439
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: She would have invested in her time and her energy

1440
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: into other things. And life goes on. Nobody wants to

1441
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: really say it, but life goes on. So for twenty years,

1442
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: we're not close. We haven't been like ultimately close. Do

1443
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: you feel your mama abandoned you? Nah? I just feel

1444
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: bad because she's not in the same financial position that

1445
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: I am. So that's the other dynamic of how to

1446
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: regulate this relationship too. So her life decisions led her

1447
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: into a place to where she's not as successful as

1448
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: she used to be. And now I'm the big dog

1449
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to figure out how to manage that

1450
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: because I just seen her on Mother's Day. But it

1451
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like beautiful to know that I'm pulling up

1452
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: in a four hundred thousand dollars car to have dinner

1453
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: with my mom and she's going back to whatever her

1454
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: accommodations are. I'm assuming she's gotten the bores. Yeah, he

1455
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: took every Oh, she lost everything. So it's kind of

1456
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: like do I wear that burden? That's why I also

1457
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: have therapy too, Like man approaching forty being a grown

1458
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: ass man at this time, Like do I go and say,

1459
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: you know what you gave me life? Let me do

1460
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 1: whatever I think is right to be done. But I'm

1461
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you. She's done some really unforgivable

1462
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: things in my life that it's hard for me to

1463
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: get past. And with that being said, even when I

1464
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: try and hold her accountable as an older man in life,

1465
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: she doesn't agree with that. She couldn't remember. I'm gonna

1466
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 1: get example right transparency, because it's a real therapy session.

1467
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: When I was young, like in my teens, and I

1468
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 1: was looking for that energy like for my mom or whatever,

1469
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: and my parents, my mom was still up, still rich,

1470
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: new marriage, my dad and her, they didn't had a

1471
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: toxic relations my dad ad remarried this, that and the

1472
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: third or whatever, and my step mom had said I

1473
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: always thought my step mom wanted me right, Like, so listen,

1474
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: like my step mom used to like, get high, get

1475
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: drunk with me, get drunk with me, get high with me,

1476
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: take me to school, just this, that and the third.

1477
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: And my step mom was like at least ten plus

1478
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: years younger than my dad. She was a little fine

1479
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: piece of shit, you know what I'm saying. Back then,

1480
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: So she used to show me a lot of love

1481
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 1: and admiration, and I always thought that she she would go.

1482
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: But one day I always knew that with her doing

1483
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 1: up tip of things for me, that she didn't respect

1484
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: my father as much as I think that she is

1485
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: she should have. So one day she, uh, she brought

1486
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 1: me upstairs and she was and I think her and

1487
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: my dad was going through some crazy shit, and she

1488
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 1: was like, uh, she put out a bible, she was

1489
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: doing a bunch of different shit, and she she's like,

1490
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: your dad are homosexual. And I'm like what, and she like, yeah,

1491
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: they think gay, Like huh, cut it out? Yeah, And plus,

1492
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: why are you telling me this? Exactly? So I further

1493
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: went down the line. And mind you, my step mom

1494
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: and my mom were in cahoots at the time too,

1495
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: Like my daddy went to like China, Beijing, Like my

1496
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: dad is like a missionary like if my dad do

1497
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: all types of shit, a Nigga renaissance man, like he

1498
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: do whatever. So he gone and he on a church

1499
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: missionary meeting, and like I had to, my step mom

1500
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: had to take me to court for some shit or whatever,

1501
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: like I was on probation as a kid. Her and

1502
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: her mom, my mom ended up at the courthouse by

1503
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 1: my dad in Beijing, China. They got me locked up.

1504
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: So that's why I was telling you a lot. So

1505
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I know they a in cahoots. So

1506
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 1: I reached out to my mom around that time and

1507
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, such and such said this, what

1508
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 1: do you I'll never forget. Boy, we had real lofster.

1509
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 1: I love a good real lobster biscuits. Boy, Cha'm from

1510
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: Scampy's Boy. That ship was like Rufe Christ. So I'm

1511
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: in there and we had real lofster as a kid.

1512
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: And I asked my mom, I'm like, yo, like such

1513
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: and such said this and said my dad's gay and

1514
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: he's almost sexual and this then the third she ain't.

1515
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: She ain't block it. She was. She was like, I

1516
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: don't know you you would have thought she said, boy,

1517
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 1: your dad ain't gay. She went and did that so

1518
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 1: almost like she was co signing it. So that added

1519
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 1: to the disdain of that. You know what I'm saying,

1520
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: because I've seen how manipult women could be based off

1521
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: of whatever the situation is. Because my dad always was

1522
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 1: like a top dog type. My dad put my mam

1523
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: on so man, it was just so much like like that.

1524
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: That's one thing. Then the school thing. Then I got

1525
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: my first record deal. I never forget it. It was

1526
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: a place called the Palaza across the street from the

1527
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: Grove on Thirdland, Fairfax. That was my first like little

1528
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: condo or whatever. And like I got my record deal,

1529
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 1: and like my mom and my auntie, it came out

1530
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: and my mom was up. She was a millionaire, and

1531
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: like she took me to Ikea and bought me a

1532
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: bunch of shit from my crib and this that and

1533
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: the third I'm thinking, I'm out or whatever, and I

1534
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: guess her and my dad or whatever happened. I just

1535
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: got my deal. And she sent an invoice to my

1536
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: dad for the auto furniture from Ikia that you bought me.

1537
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: Like yo, I want to be reimbursed. But as a mom,

1538
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you do for your kids, Okay,

1539
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: and that happened, and then I brought it up to

1540
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 1: my mom years later, like, Yo, my dad said this

1541
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: or the third niggas had to cut you a check

1542
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: for this. I have no idea what you're talking about.

1543
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: I bring it up to a Yo. You said Nigga

1544
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: was gay. I have no idea what you're talking about.

1545
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: I don't really recollect that. Then my dad sent me

1546
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: the picture of the check that he wrote my mom

1547
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: for the Ikea furniture. Did you show it to her? Yeah?

1548
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: What you say, are you? Are you in therapy? When

1549
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: you go to therapy? Do you talk about this this

1550
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: relationship with your mom to your therapist? Do I talk

1551
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: to my mom about No, you talk to you. It's

1552
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 1: about the relationship with you. Of course. What does the

1553
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: therapist say. It's some hurt there, it's some it's some

1554
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: different things two decades. Yeah, but it's just like, man,

1555
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm such I'm such a man. It's hard for you

1556
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: to forgive. I can't. I can't forgive. And then all

1557
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 1: of that, my life is so good. I can't be

1558
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: thinking about nothing too sham like I feel ungrateful to

1559
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: be sitting there. Oh my god, something happened twenty years ago.

1560
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm in shamboos about it. I can't do that, Shanna.

1561
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: Hopefully this doesn't happen. But if your mom is not

1562
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: here in the next week, month, year, will you miss it?

1563
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 1: I fight with that a lot. I don't even know

1564
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: if I would, how I would feel, would I go

1565
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: to the funeral or not? I feel ooh ooh, it's deep.

1566
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 1: It's deeper than I previously anticipated. If I'm not paying

1567
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 1: for nothing, if I'm not helping someone out in the situation,

1568
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: But then what it is like, I ain't gonna lie.

1569
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: I got nominated from I got nominated for Grammy for

1570
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: Big Sean bounce Back. And at the time I had

1571
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: some money flowing and this, that and the third, and

1572
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: she was going through her situations and I, uh, she

1573
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: had no where to stay. She was saying, like, yo,

1574
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: well my living condition isn't the best. So on my eyes,

1575
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, she lived in Florida. Maybe I

1576
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: get like a condo or pay it out for the year.

1577
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: That way, give a year, just free grace, you know,

1578
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 1: allow her to whatever her job is. Mind you, I

1579
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: don't know this woman. We don't have a relationship. So

1580
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: have you seen her? Have you actually seen seen my

1581
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: mom probably like twice in twenty years, so probably yeah,

1582
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: I can kind of went hand mey time was seeing

1583
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 1: all for twenty years. So from there I thought that

1584
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:58,759
Speaker 1: that was gonna be the solution. And just being totally

1585
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: transparent and totally honest. She kind of like shamed me

1586
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: for it and said that like people that are successful

1587
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: with me, they want to buy their mom a house.

1588
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: How could I even come to the table and say, yo,

1589
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,560
Speaker 1: condo or to pay this, and now I should? She

1590
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: returned from my I guess my forty thousand dollars offer

1591
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 1: to pay a year worth for rent or whatever the situation.

1592
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: She doubled down with like two point fifty three hundred

1593
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: and felt like I should buy her a home if

1594
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: that's what that's what she felt like it was necessary.

1595
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, in all honesty, if you

1596
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: weren't as successful as you are, do you feel your

1597
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: mom would have a relationship with you? No? I see

1598
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: how they treat other people that ain't got money in

1599
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: our family, They put them down. How did that make

1600
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: you feel? Nothing? I'm a winner. I'm sad about it,

1601
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: but it's time for me to make my own family

1602
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: and learn from those mistakes and learn from the things

1603
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: that mishaps and continue to do good by new people

1604
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: can harbor all this energy or whatever and then be

1605
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: like trying to like spin out with bad energy to

1606
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: different people. The only thing to do is correct the

1607
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: behavior and do it again. This is your situation, and

1608
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: every situation is different. But I do believe you could

1609
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: forgive your mom and still not have to be in

1610
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: a situation where you have to deal with her. Oh

1611
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 1: I forgive her, I love her. We still talk. I'm

1612
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: telling you, we talk. It's just not as loving as

1613
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 1: I would like it to be. I just because you

1614
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: feel that you feel that it's a monetary love, be honest,

1615
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: it's a material love. Shanning, I'm a cold bro. Once

1616
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: you cross me, and like I've been through so much.

1617
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 1: We have talked about this whole Once things happen, I'm

1618
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: a cold shon. It's gonna be hard for her to

1619
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: get back in your good graces. There ain't no graces.

1620
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: It ain't we too old to be talking about graces.

1621
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,759
Speaker 1: She's sixty something years old and I'm forty. What graces

1622
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: we talking about? In the third quarter life, I was thinking,

1623
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: maybe hopefully wishing that you was like, man, I probably

1624
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 1: would miss her if she's gone, but it doesn't seem

1625
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: like that you feel that way now. Of course I'm

1626
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:14,560
Speaker 1: miss her. I miss the times that we have, But

1627
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: you got to remember that the times that we had

1628
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: and the ones that hold genuine and hold safe to

1629
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,679
Speaker 1: my heart, is times when I was probably a teenager.

1630
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 1: Just shya, it's been so long, so much time has passed,

1631
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 1: so much damage is done. He don't even know me

1632
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: as a man. Is she trying to repair that? Or

1633
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: she wants you to do all the fixing up? She both? Oh?

1634
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: She both? But I mean if I wasn't in a

1635
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: position I am right now, it wouldn't be nothing really

1636
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: to fix up. I would just be outer that was

1637
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: in Chicago somewhere. How much of the fixing would be done.

1638
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: I would be useless. Remember, if you ain't got no use,

1639
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: you're useless. Yeah. So, if I didn't have no equity

1640
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 1: of who I am as a person, I guarantee that

1641
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: she would have that love for me as a human,

1642
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: as someone that she pushed out. I puss it. But

1643
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 1: in reality, if I can't contribute, then what you mean?

1644
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: Even though I'm not contributing right now I'm not on

1645
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: my high horse, like I'm paying for shit right now.

1646
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: I ain't doing it. It ain't genuine. We're gonna come back,

1647
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: we don't have a conversation, and you're gonna be made

1648
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: amends to this. I mean, I think I'm in a

1649
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: space to actually do make amends with it. But the

1650
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: thing is is that she's not helping the situation by

1651
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 1: not taking accountability for things that have happened on her end.

1652
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: If she would take some accountability, if she were to say,

1653
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: you know what, Baby, I was wrong. I didn't always

1654
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: do the best situation. I just did the best that

1655
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 1: I could. You my first child, you're the only child

1656
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: X Y and Z. I know I could have did better, Son,

1657
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 1: I could have done a lot better. And I wish

1658
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: I had a done better. I wish your dad and

1659
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: I your father and I we could have made this

1660
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 1: racial relationship work, because I think you saw a side

1661
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: of both of us that you didn't need to see,

1662
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: and it kind of puts you in a light that relationships,

1663
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: this is how all relationships are, and they're not. Baby,

1664
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: that's on me. I was wrong. Yeah, but I agree

1665
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: with that to a certain extent, But that would be

1666
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: what I would be wanting from her, And that's a

1667
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 1: very selfish thing to really be on like. So when

1668
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: I say genuine what I'm gonna do moving forward, I

1669
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: had to deal with myself right. I had to get

1670
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,759
Speaker 1: myself like because that's what I would want in return.

1671
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: When it's genuine, you just do it right, not seeking

1672
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: for nothing in return, just because it's a genuine effect,

1673
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 1: and it's a genuine reaction or outpour of what you

1674
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: want to do. That's what prompted me to do that.

1675
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: When you looking for something in return, that's where you're wrong.

1676
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: So I'm not looking for validation for her, no more

1677
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: to be able to say, you know what, baby, everything

1678
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 1: you just said, I'm sorry. I don't want to part like.

1679
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: I want to get to the space to where I

1680
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: just want to do it and just be at peace

1681
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: with it, whether whether the response come or not. You know,

1682
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: forgiveness is not for the other person. Oh, I don't

1683
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: forgive or forget. Forgiveness is for you. I ain't forgiven

1684
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: or forget. You're gonna have to. You don't have to forget.

1685
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: You don't have to because you don't have amnesia and

1686
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: you don't have one of these debilitating diseases that cause

1687
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: you to lose your memory. But forgiveness is so you

1688
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: because right now you're in bondage. Your emotions are holding

1689
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: you hostage because of what she's done. And I'm saying

1690
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, but at some point in time here,

1691
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to let this go in order for

1692
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,759
Speaker 1: you to be free, because right now you're in bondage.

1693
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: Your emotions, your feelings are being held hostage by this

1694
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 1: woman that you barely know for over two decades. I'm

1695
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: gonna call my therapist out of this. We canna get

1696
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: you out of here. Give me your time, I'll give

1697
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: you your mount rushmore producers in the history. That's for it, right,

1698
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: four of all times, all time, and I know one,

1699
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: not one on there. Quincy, John Quincy First, Kanye West, Kanye,

1700
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: Jermaine Duprie. Okay for real for me, Okay, that's that's

1701
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: a list, man, that's a list. I mean some people

1702
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: might say Jimmy, jam and Terry. Some people might say Babyface, Yeah,

1703
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: I get it, but your the other that's the song writer,

1704
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: because you know Jimmy and Terry and baby Face in

1705
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:26,560
Speaker 1: LA they did a lot of songwriting work too, I

1706
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: was just saying, strictly niggas, that just put the soundtrack

1707
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: to your life. You know what I'm saying, That's what

1708
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 1: it is for me. I like that. Here. I appreciate

1709
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 1: you starting by here you is hit maker. Bro. That

1710
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 1: was amazing, Thank you, that was amazing, Thank you Bro.

1711
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: All my life, grinning all my life, sacrifice, hustle, p Price,

1712
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: Wan Slice got the bro all my life. I'll be

1713
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: grinding all my life, all my life, grunning all my life, sacrifice,

1714
01:31:56,479 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: crust price one, Slice got the brother I used to

1715
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 1: swap all my life. I've been grinding all my life.

1716
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: M mm hmm