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Speaker 2: Baltimore has new ownership. They said that no finances are

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Speaker 2: And also for Baltimore. Yeah, there it is. Yes, winning

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Speaker 2: So let's go over all this right now. We're going

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Speaker 2: You can follow him at Steve on Baseball Covers the

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Speaker 2: Ools for a long time. As I mentioned, Steve, great

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Speaker 2: Baz and this is the big question. Is the starting

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, there are a few ifs there,

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Speaker 1: What Cole Reagan's has done and did last year when

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Speaker 3: As a former one to one pick, Jackson Holiday had

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Talk about the smallest of sample sizes. It was

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Speaker 3: In twenty fourteen, I was in the dugout for the

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Speaker 3: seen it, You've seen this tank job, and it's built

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, when someone asked me this week, what's

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Speaker 1: It is the crapshoot, they say, October baseball now in

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Speaker 3: Steve, did you say a fertile farm. I just want

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Speaker 3: to make sure I heard you right.

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Speaker 1: It has fallen in the farm rankings. I'll grant you that,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the pressure on the Oil front of

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, Hey, we're waiting for it. I know

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. It's great to have you on

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Speaker 2: here for the first time. Really appreciated Steve. Everyone can

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Speaker 2: Baseball covers the oriol super super well, so we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you all right, Thanks Scott, Thanks guys,