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Speaker 1: This podcast contains spoilers for Niana Jones and a Dial

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Speaker 1: of Destiny, as well as the first four films in

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Jones franchise. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion

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Speaker 1: and I'm Rosy Night, and welcome to Next Our Vision,

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Speaker 1: the Crooked Media podcast where we dive deep into your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, in the previously on we are jumping

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Speaker 2: into the jeep or into the dinghy.

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Speaker 3: Or whichever your preferred. Indiana Jones them travel Edane Fridge

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Speaker 3: the leadline.

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Speaker 2: Fridge a very smart idea, I must just say, And

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Speaker 2: we're going to look back on the Indiana Jones franchise

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Speaker 2: to lead into our air lock where we'll be talking

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Speaker 2: about Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny and in

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Speaker 2: nedout we have a theory on secret Invasion coming up.

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Speaker 3: Previously on.

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Speaker 1: Bump Bump, Bump, bump bomb bum.

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Speaker 3: Here we go, folks.

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Speaker 1: The legendary collaboration between George Lucas and Steven Spielberg which

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Speaker 1: produced the Indiana Jones franchise, which started with Raiders of

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Speaker 1: the Lost Ark nineteen eighty one, followed by Indiana Jones

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Speaker 1: and then Tumble nineteen eighty four technically a prequel, we'll

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Speaker 1: get into that in our recap, followed by Indiana Jones,

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Speaker 1: The Last Crusade nineteen eighty nine filed by Indiana Jones,

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Speaker 1: and The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight followed this year with a resounding Indiana Jones in

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Speaker 1: a dial of Destiny. But let's start with Raiders of

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Speaker 1: the Lost arc Rosie. We opened in nineteen thirty six,

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Speaker 1: so we meet intrepid archaeologist, tenured university professor, adventurer and

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Speaker 1: grave robber Indiana Owns on a mission to recover a

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Speaker 1: golden idol from an ancient temple in the Jungles of Peru,

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Speaker 1: a place where he will return later in this series.

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Speaker 1: His aid de camp double crosses him, setting up a

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Speaker 1: theme of the French ar route Rude, and he's nearly

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Speaker 1: crushed by a boulder, but he does get out alive

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Speaker 1: thanks to his guile and his trusty bull whip. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: the idol is then stolen from his hands by his

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Speaker 1: rival in the field of archaeology, doctor Belloch in Indiana

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Speaker 1: has to flee for his life back at university, where

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Speaker 1: he teaches again he is a teacher, he's and apparently

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Speaker 3: At all times. We'll get back into this.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the US Army Intelligence comes calling and they tell

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Speaker 1: doctor Jones that they have unscrambled some communicats from a

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Speaker 1: guy named Adolf Hitler you may have heard of. And

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Speaker 1: it turns out Hitler is obsessed with ancient artifacts and

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Speaker 1: the Nazis are currently digging for something in Egypt and

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Speaker 1: nobody knows what's going on. Jones is like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: think they found this fabled legendary city where the Hebrew

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Speaker 1: Arc of the Covenant is maybe kept in a place

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Speaker 1: called the Well of Souls, And the US Army Intelligence

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Speaker 1: guys are like, wow, I guess we came to the

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Speaker 1: right guy to tell us more. And it turns out

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Speaker 1: the Nazis are also looking for a guy who specialized

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Speaker 1: in the Arc of the Covenant and named Abner Ravenwood,

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Speaker 1: and Jones also knows him. More to the point, Jones

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Speaker 1: knows Abner's daughter, Marian. And when I say no, what

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Speaker 1: Marian when in her words.

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Speaker 3: She was a child. And you could do the math

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Speaker 3: on how it's a bad look for Santana Indiana Jones.

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Speaker 3: But it was nineteen eighty one, and I guess, and

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Speaker 1: The Army is like, Okay, go after Admiral Ravenwood. Jones

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Speaker 1: knows where he is. He thinks he's probably in Nepal.

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Speaker 1: He goes to Nepal. He finds Mary in there. She's

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Speaker 1: And honestly, the dark take hen rewatch is like because

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Speaker 1: snippet of dialogue where she says, like I was a child, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 1: It is like she is medicating the trauma for her

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Speaker 2: By living in a bar and roll in the pool

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Speaker 1: And again a high functioning alcoholic. It turns out Abner

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Speaker 1: Indy's friend and sometime fixer, Gimli. I mean sorry, I

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Speaker 1: Indy's like, no, no, no, you idiot, that's Belloc, which like

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Speaker 3: So if you I'm always like, why is he that?

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Speaker 1: Who loves who?

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Speaker 2: I mean, he does have a course like kind of

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Speaker 3: Now how did he get it right?

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Speaker 1: But it turns out the Nazis are appear to be

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Speaker 1: No, the Nazis, it turns out, have perhaps a team

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Speaker 1: Since Belloc calls for him and does some monologuing basically

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Speaker 1: Monkey dies from poisoned dates, which allow which allow Gimbili

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Speaker 4: The fact that you're not so, I'll see you later,

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Speaker 4: uh that night and he braves uh the Well of Souls,

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Speaker 3: He's already he was ready for some shit.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I want to stop here because

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Speaker 1: the wonderful Mad's Michelson, and I love Mad's Michelson and everything.

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Speaker 1: Mad's Michelson on any kind of screen I'm watching. But

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Speaker 1: I like about Raiders is that the most ominous Gestapo

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Speaker 2: Also, like I will say one of the most enjoyable

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Speaker 2: other people didn't love to see it. But when he's

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Speaker 3: It's just that that's a feel good situation.

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Speaker 3: But Indiana Jones, You're like, come on, sorry, you're a Nazi.

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Speaker 1: And Indiana famously has never, ever, ever been a Nazi sympathizer,

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Speaker 1: The next morning, Bellock intercepts Jones and Gimli as they

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Speaker 1: He takes the arc for Hitler. The Nazis locked Jones

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Speaker 1: I guess, trying to rekindle that old statutory magic. And

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Speaker 3: They sees Marion.

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Speaker 1: Despite and this was record scratch shit here for me,

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Speaker 1: the fact that the ship's captain is like, hey, leave

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Speaker 3: Boo wow. And again a movie that I enjoy.

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Speaker 1: I do enjoy Raiders, but this is this is a

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Speaker 1: PG movie for kids.

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Speaker 3: That pre co almost like a pre code movie.

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Speaker 2: They're like, well, it's based on stuff from a time

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Speaker 2: when things were really racist and misogynists, so let's just.

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Speaker 1: Belloc is absolutely thrilled to have his girl maryon back.

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Speaker 1: If you just blow us all up, don't you want

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Speaker 1: Well, I think again, I think Spielberg was just you know,

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Speaker 1: One year earlier, he's just like out here flipping artifacts

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Speaker 2: The mountain inflatable dingy And every single one of you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or you know if we if we do eat

438
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: off all, we don't eat it out of a monkey's head.

439
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 3: Every culture and culture eats offul, thank you, but like

440
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: sausage anyone.

441
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: How how how little they were asked to do, and

442
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: yet they said no. And if I'm not mistaken, I

443
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: believe that the little village that they built in Sri

444
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: Lanka for this is actually still there.

445
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: It was, at least when I was younger.

446
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: It was a It was a tourist destination that people

447
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: talked about quite a lot because they just left it there,

448
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: as is the want of Hollywood production.

449
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: So Jones and company are like, hey, can you just

450
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: send us to like the nearest town with a telephone.

451
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: The villagers are like, no, we need you to stop

452
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: at the Maharaja's palace because our children are disappearing and

453
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: we're all starving, and this is somehow connected to the

454
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: theft of our secret Sankara stone, and so Indian Jones

455
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: please go figure it out.

456
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 3: Jones and friends go there.

457
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: They meet the local British colonial forces, uh and they

458
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: are treated to the aforementioned horrendous feast, which includes as

459
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: we mentioned i'ball sleep, live snakes, monkey brains, etc.

460
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 3: Not just nothing, not anything that you would actually see

461
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 3: somebody eat. Just ridiculous corny shit.

462
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: Jones discovers that a thuggy cult led by the ominous

463
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: Molaram have been kidnapping local kids to use a slave

464
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: labor to dig up the rest of the Shankara stones.

465
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: And also Molo Ram does crazy stuff like pull the

466
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: beating heart out of living people.

467
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 3: He's doing this, He's just doing that all the time.

468
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 3: He's as Base loves it.

469
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: The film is as a really dark, gory tone that

470
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: I actually quite like.

471
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: This was the reason that when I was a kid,

472
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: I would always return to this movie like and even

473
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 2: as I got older and understood like how horrifically racist

474
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: it was, like it seemed like a fantasy to me,

475
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: but when I.

476
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: Was a kid, so I didn't really put it together

477
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: as much.

478
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: But like the darkness, especially when you get into the

479
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: the voodoo kind.

480
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: Of like horror elements.

481
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: Even the feast actually has played very much for horror,

482
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: which plays into the horrific racist shit. But yeah, when

483
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: you get down into the caverns and they're sacrificing the

484
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 2: kids and everything, it's really bleak.

485
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean when he when Molram pulls the heart out,

486
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: it's like the face melt from Raiders.

487
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: It's many fools out of India and see it like

488
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: pushing through the chest.

489
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: I always remember that.

490
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: And then of course Indy is you know, turned into

491
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: a zombie and a zombie at a certain point, and

492
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: it's really really scary. And there's that man that scene

493
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: that sticks with me even now, when Short Round is

494
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: like I love you Indy, please wake up and Indie

495
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: is like hitting him and stuff and k Kwan is

496
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: crying and.

497
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: The burns and wake up.

498
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: Very very dark and very very violent. In fact, two

499
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: months after Temple of Dooms released, the MPAA, at the

500
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: behest of Spielberg would create the PG thirteen rating because

501
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: PG this, this movie and Gremlins really really pushed the

502
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: envelope of what PG could be. Eventually, Indi, with significant

503
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: help from Short Round, defeats mol Aram, Freeze the kids,

504
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: turns to Shankar Stones and the British colonial forces are victorious,

505
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: gunning down maybe many of the thuggy cult.

506
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: And that movie, how about he should have help get

507
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 2: rid of those colonial forces.

508
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 3: Can I just say that this was also just one

509
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: of the only.

510
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: Times just want to not to give Indiana Jones any

511
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: credit because I wouldn't like to do that, you know,

512
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: But I will say nice to see him return a stone.

513
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: He usually he'll just be stealing that stone to put

514
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: it in a museum.

515
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: You know. I'm good for him for returning that stone.

516
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: Wish he'd learn a lesson there and continued that throughout

517
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: his life.

518
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: We go to Last Crusade, and this is a film

519
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: with a notably lighter touch than Temple of Doom, a

520
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: more adventurous, humor filled movie, and I think it's the

521
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: best movie, the the best one.

522
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 2: I think it combines what both movies did well and

523
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 2: manages to show a lot of what they did less well.

524
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: And yeah, just very fun.

525
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: This actually has my favorite cold open of all the trilogy,

526
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: one of the most.

527
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: Impactful cinemastic moments for me.

528
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: I still think about it regularly. I think it's just wonderful.

529
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is a joy. This is my favorite.

530
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: So that that aforementioned cold open tokes place in Utah

531
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: in the teens. We meet the young Indiana Jones with

532
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: a wonderful long mop of surver hair played by rocks

533
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: By the Late River Phoenix as who is wonderful in this.

534
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: Role, so fun, you want to see a whole movie

535
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: about him.

536
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: And as this great train chase, you learn about why

537
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: he's afraid of snakes. Where he got his look, which

538
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: is a really weird lore.

539
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently like he just he just got his entire

540
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: look from a guy who my hat.

541
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: Off that he bested him. Like this beats Indiana Jones

542
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: as a child.

543
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: And Indiana Jones is like that had just based my

544
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: entire look, vibes, these aesthetic everything, Yeah, just got to

545
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: be based on him as a teen. This kid was like,

546
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: this ship's going to be in a museum.

547
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: And he loved it.

548
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: The zeal for museums cross the Carnado that belongs in

549
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: a museum. Even then, you know, young Indiana Jones was

550
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: like he was passionate about museums. Back and the present

551
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: at school, Uh, Doctor Jones get his gets his dad's

552
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: journal in the mail and he discovers that his dad,

553
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: who is a medievalist, has disappeared apparently well on a

554
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: quest for the legendary Holy Grail aka jc's mug. Walter Donovan,

555
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: the financier behind this quest for the Grail invites doctor

556
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: Jones over and he says, hey, why don't you go

557
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: look for your dad? You know, we were really close

558
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: to finding it. Yeah, what's the We were really close

559
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: to finding the Grail.

560
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: Why don't you go?

561
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: Jones and his buddy doctor Marcus Brody had to Venice

562
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: on dad's trail. There they meet full blown Nazi beauty

563
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: doctor Elsis Schneider. I guess who's been working closely with

564
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: Andrew Jones. He's very very close.

565
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: She lies about being a Nazi, but I feel like

566
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: he's probably met enough Nazis to know she had big

567
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: Nazi energy.

568
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: Issue big when when when people are like, well, okay,

569
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: but she didn't know she's like a blonde Austrian.

570
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: In nineteen thirty eight.

571
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: Chahn said, yeah, like could we wouldn't she be like hey,

572
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: so so even.

573
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: You would kind of assume she's a Nazi, right, you'd

574
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: at least act.

575
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: I think he's like, he's like, well, my dad's working

576
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: with her, so you yeah, I don't want to know.

577
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to I'm just like, and you know, yeah,

578
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: the dad son Elsa love I always think about So

579
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: I love it.

580
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: I love that. I love that they get a little bit.

581
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Of a gag out of uh, you know, the innate

582
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: misogyny of the late eighties with the oh, doctor Schneider

583
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: is a woman.

584
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: No one ever could have seen this coming. Holy shit,

585
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god, could you believe it?

586
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 5: A beautiful woman and she's not wearing like giant glosses

587
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: and doesn't have like badly cut bags. Also, I will say,

588
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 5: when you get the reveal of Indiana Jones's dad being

589
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 5: played by Sean Connery, that's like a top tier cost.

590
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: It does. It does so good together too, like, yeah,

591
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: just enjoyable.

592
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: Most of them. Yeah.

593
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: Jones discovers that there is a tomb underneath the library

594
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: in Venice, and there they find a night shield which

595
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: has instructions that lead them to Iscanderon. There they discover

596
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: that the Nazis have taken Henry to a castle in Austria.

597
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: Jones sends Marcus Brody with the diary separately to his

598
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: Scanderoon to meet up with Gimli, and later he sleeps with.

599
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: The Nazi doctor fun.

600
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Indy sneaks into the castle rescue his dad, but

601
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: Elsa reveals herself now to be the full blow Nazi

602
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: that she indeed is full fledged believer. In the third right,

603
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: double crosses them Indian Henry escape. Henry slaps Indy for

604
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: using Christ's name in vain. Which is going to be

605
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: a theme in this movie. Is doctor Jones is steadily

606
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: indoctrinated into the Christian Catholic faith. The pair make their

607
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: way to Berlin, where Indiana gets Hitler's autograph, and later

608
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: they get out of town by sneaking board a zeppelin

609
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: and stealing a Luftwaff plane.

610
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: Crazy sequins.

611
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: You could not believe that oil of that happens in

612
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: the time that you just described it.

613
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: Insane sequence Unha. Indiana fights more Nazis, as does the

614
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: centuries old secret sect who has been guarding the grail

615
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: all these years. Indiana rescues his dad and doctor Brody

616
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: from an out of controlled tank which doubles off a cliff,

617
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: and it seems like Indiana goes over the edge. But

618
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: you know what, you look at the clock, there's thirty

619
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: minutes left in this movie. Of course, he's still alive,

620
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: and his dad, thinking that he was gone, embraces him.

621
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: There's a wonderful like man Harrison Ford is so good.

622
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: There's a wonderful gag where Henry, Gimli, and Marcus are

623
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: all peering over the edge.

624
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: They're they're shattered with grief.

625
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: And Indiana, who climbed up, you know, some some distance away,

626
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: totters over to them and was like, what are.

627
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: They looking at him? And then they realize that he's alive.

628
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: It's fantastic. Yeah, it's really good stuff.

629
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: Later, in front of the grails hiding place, the Nazis

630
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: shoot Henry in order to force Indy to go in

631
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: and find the cup inside. Indiana, as we mentioned, is

632
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: indoctrinated into Catholicism, being forced to kneel to read, uh,

633
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: you know, Christ's name.

634
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: But you know, I will say, they make it look

635
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: quite fun, like like a cool bridge.

636
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: It's fantastic. He makes a leap of faith.

637
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: Yes, as you mentioned, he eventually meets a two thousand

638
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: year old knight who shows him a selection of cups,

639
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: enter financier Walter Donovan, who's like, yes, finally he picks

640
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: the most rick Ross style chalice and properly dies of old.

641
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: I mean this is even as a child, I was like,

642
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: this man, which coup? Do you think Jesus drunk the gold?

643
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: She was a humble man and he was a coppin

644
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: to Babe like put two and two together.

645
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Well, Indiana knows that he picks the worst looking cup,

646
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: and of course it's the right one. He uses the

647
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: cup to heal Dad's gunshot wound. Uh, and the grail

648
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: temple falls apart, you know, as they take the grail out.

649
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Elsa dies when she tumbles into She's dead.

650
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 3: She was gone dying and uh.

651
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: And you have to wonder is Indy immortal now because

652
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: you drink from the cup. I think I think you

653
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: have to keep drinking from it.

654
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: I think, so I think what it might be is

655
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: like I think about this a lot because I was

656
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: thinking about it when I was watching the new movie.

657
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it as a great excuse that

658
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: they could have used if they wanted to recost Indiana Jones.

659
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: So I think you have to stay within the sea

660
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: of where the rail is. And that's right, like but

661
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: like why the soldier was then the night was there

662
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: and he was still Oh, and I think if you leave,

663
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: I think it probably gives you some kind of like

664
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: you could you could argue that that's why he's still

665
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: up and that I'm at like eighty five, like it

666
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: might have some residual, but I don't think you'll get

667
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: in that like two thousand year old Like it seems

668
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: like the purpose of the cop is to keep someone

669
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: alive so they can protect the cop, you know, one

670
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: of those good old weird narrative cycles. But yeah, I

671
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: do think that they leave it open to interpretation.

672
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: Right, Well, before his job was to protect the culp

673
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: the that that night, Crusader's job was to just kill

674
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: Muslim people in the Holy Land.

675
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: Willy nilly, that was that.

676
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: We're going very glad that he is in been trapped

677
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: in that cave for two thousand years.

678
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: That's what he deserves. Man, wait till he finds out

679
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: what's going on. Side.

680
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: Well, we go to Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. And

681
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: by the way, fifteen years since Kingdom of the Crystal Skull,

682
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: same as.

683
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: The Dark Knight. Is that not insane? Why? What is it?

684
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: Nam As fucking sam As like fucking iron Man, like

685
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 3: a yeah, for the movies.

686
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 2: If you would have probably if you'd have given people

687
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: a choice of which movie would end up being more impactful,

688
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: they would have probably chosen the fourth Indiana Jones movie.

689
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: I think that's probably like if you if you didn't

690
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: just being off of experience.

691
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, m hm.

692
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: So it's nineteen fifty seven. The Cold War is ramping up. Also,

693
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: aliens exist cash Indiana, Yeah, and Indian Jones has been

694
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: doing clandestine missions for the OSS and later the CIA.

695
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: The Russian agents, led by glad Reel, sneak into area

696
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: of fifty one. They have also kidnapped Indian his assistant

697
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: Mac in Mexico, and they have brought the pair here

698
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: because they want Indy to find this like steaming hot

699
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: et corpse even somewhere in the facility, and they thinking

700
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: he's the guy to do it because he's seen one

701
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: of these before. Also, the arc of the Covenant is here,

702
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: but nobody noticed. Jones leads the Russians to the the

703
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: hot pocket of alien meat. Then Mac betrays Indy to

704
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: the Russians, who again Indiana remains terrible shaking adult literally.

705
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: The only one whoever, the only real one, and he

706
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 3: never shows up again. Was wrong with you, lucasfilm? Was

707
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: wrong with the Indiana Jones mistake.

708
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: All the other adults that Indiana has ever contracted with

709
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: eventually betray him.

710
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 3: It isn't seen.

711
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Indy manages to escape the clutches of the Russians, and

712
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: he finds himself eventually at the town that is the

713
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: call of duty map Nuketown, and this turns out to

714
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: be a you know, a setup for a nuclear bomb

715
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: test explosion so the army can see the damage that's

716
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: going to be done. And all of a sudden, the

717
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: warning siren goes off and Indy realizes, oh shit, they're

718
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: about to let off nuke. He climbs inside a lead

719
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: lined fridge, which is blasted some two miles away from

720
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: the site, comes crashing the earth at like something like

721
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: sixty seventy miles an hour, and Indian Jones absolutely surprives.

722
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: He's fine, with only some light radiation poisoning, which is

723
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: then scrubbed off later at the local army base.

724
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: He's fine.

725
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: I just want to say, this is no more ridiculous

726
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: that going down the Himalayas and a dinghy. I think

727
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: this is the least bad idea that is in this movie.

728
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: Like this is fine to me. Like Indiana Jones, he's

729
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: essentially a mortal, you know, is fifty seven. No one

730
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: knows what's going on nuclear bombs yet, like everyone's dumb,

731
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: He's in on that line fridge sure, sure he is.

732
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: And again he has he has some amount of Holy

733
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: Grail water running through his veins, so he's probably a

734
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: little bit more hearty than your average out he's sixty five.

735
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: Or when he's actually with the added protection of the

736
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 2: leadline fridge and the Holy Ground that makes the Holy Grail.

737
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 3: Juice come on.

738
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: The FBI interrogates doctor Jones, but they set him free

739
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: in large part because like a general who we work

740
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: with is like.

741
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: Do you know this guy is?

742
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: He's been doing secret missions for us for years?

743
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: And you gotta let him go.

744
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: Jones goes back to work at Marshall University, but again,

745
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: Cold War tensions are really ramping up. The Red Scare

746
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: is happening at this time, and the FBI has been,

747
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, like taking away doctor jones personal effects and

748
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: the stuff from his office. And so the university is

749
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: very very sensitive at this time to being accused of

750
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: harboring a commie, and so they tell doctor Jones, you

751
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: have to go on permanent leave or extended leave.

752
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: I forget exactly how they freeze it. You're out. Basically,

753
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: you're out of here. You're out of here.

754
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: We learn right around here that both Marcus and Henry

755
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: Jones have passed in recent years. Then there's this weird

756
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: sequence where Jones boards a train but then gets off

757
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: the train. So doctor Jones is like, I'm going to

758
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: New York to find my fortunes in New York City

759
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: and figure out what my next move is. He gets

760
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: on the train, but then a biker named Mutt just

761
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: rides along the platform.

762
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 3: And a really memorable hat.

763
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: Looks like Marlon, like a Marlon Brando cosplay, and this

764
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: course is exactly Gentleman is played by the now canceled

765
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: Schaia Labouf, and he this is Mutt, This is Mutt,

766
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: and Mutt has news. He says, hey, Harold Oxley, do

767
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: you know him? And the audience is like, no, I've

768
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: never heard of this guy. But luckily Indiana Jones has

769
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: heard of him. And Indiana Jones is like, yeah, my

770
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: buddy the Ox, and he's like, yeah, the Ox is

771
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: going to be killed because he found a crystal skull

772
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: in Peru. This means something Indiana Jones, who gets off

773
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: the train, and Mutt further tells Indiana that his mom, Mary,

774
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: who managed to escape the assailants, pointed him in Jones's direction,

775
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: saying this guy can help. Ox was apparently heading towards

776
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: a legendary city called Akatore. He and Mutt end up

777
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: escaping the KGB, who Indy realizes behind all the nefarious

778
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: stuff going on in this movie, and we realize it too,

779
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: because Kate Blanchette is in the beginning of this movie

780
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: with a Rocky and Bullwinkle accent, so he realized that

781
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the big bat of the movie.

782
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: Ox's trail leads them back to Peru Indana Jones. Back

783
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: in Peru at the grave of conquistador Francesco Oriana, Indian

784
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: Mutter attacked by weird poisoned dart wielding killers and they

785
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: never come.

786
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: Back and not the throwback to the original movie like Yeah.

787
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: In the Grave, the pair follows drawings of oblong shaped

788
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: skulls to various mummified conquistadors, including Oriana, and they eventually

789
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: discover a big, old crystal skull which could not have

790
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: been made with human technology, Indy finds. Unfortunately, Mac and

791
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of Russian soldiers are waiting outside for them.

792
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: Indiana again is always getting ambushed outside.

793
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: Every single time. Every single time.

794
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: They take Mutt and Indie to the jungle, where Indy

795
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: is reunited with Ox, who is now apparently insane, driven

796
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: insane by the crystal skull. The Russians want the skull

797
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: because the skull can give you psychic powers and they

798
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: want to create this psychic army and be sure, yeah okay.

799
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: Indy uses the skull to make Ox kind of sane again.

800
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: Then Gladriel is like, guess what, look who I got

801
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: and produces Marian. She reveals that she is Mut's mom

802
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: and Mutt is Indiana's son.

803
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: Whoa I want that trying to set up a new franchise.

804
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 3: I think they are.

805
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: And it looks like we have to say Marian is

806
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: no longer drinking, which we love.

807
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: No, I love that, and Allen happy to see you back,

808
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: cam Marian Raven job.

809
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: The Russians, uh say, listen, we're gonna kill your longtime

810
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: love Marian, even though you never hardly talk, but we're

811
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna kill her unless you help us. And so uh

812
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: this means that Indie, Mutt, Mariyan and Ox have to escape,

813
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: and escape they do.

814
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: There is this like.

815
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: Kind of slapstick gag with what is like a substance

816
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: that is not quicksand YadA YadA YadA. Eventually, Jones and

817
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: the Russians find akatorre the repository of the.

818
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: Skulls, an alien reassembles itself. That happens.

819
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: Galadriel is driven insane when the alien downloads all of

820
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: the alien knowledge into her mind, which she did want it,

821
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: but like, come on, what did you think they were

822
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: gonna do?

823
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: Put out a fucking hot drive, like whether put on

824
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: something like that. I feel you're doing a great job

825
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: of summing up just how absolutely off the rails the

826
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: end of this movie goes.

827
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: B I do think the first half of this movie

828
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 3: is a very rumpy Indiana Jones joint.

829
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: I also think too, you know, I think Indiana Jones

830
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: would be seen as a communist because he's a little.

831
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: Bit liberal minded. I think there's interesting things that play here.

832
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: And then it's like an alien downloads his brain into

833
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: Kate Lunchet's skulls and Indiana Jones swing through the CGI

834
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: jungle next to the monkeys, and then an alien makes

835
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: it So.

836
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: Why did they make so many skulls and why did

837
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: they leave them on Earth? If you have these powerful.

838
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: Skulls that will lead that will give people psyching cas

839
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: like just chilling. Oh you know what, maybe these humans

840
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: need to be psychic. Maybe that would help.

841
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: We should note that once again Spielberg has gone back

842
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: to the toolkit and decided that the hero will not

843
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: do anything to solve the issue between he and the antagonist.

844
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: There is, in fact, it is, in fact the alien

845
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: downloading its brain who who gets rid of the Russian

846
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: top KGB agent. The alien then flies on in a

847
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: UFO through an intermensional portal. More intermensional portals to come

848
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: in this franchise. Indy gets his job back and marries

849
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: Mary in the end, which brings us to Indiana Jones

850
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: and the Dial of Destiny up next in the airlock. Okay,

851
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: folks were stepping out of the airlock and into the

852
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: year nineteen sixty nine, the year in which the Knicks

853
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: would win their first of two championships for Indiana Jones

854
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: and The Dial of Destiny directed by James Van Gold,

855
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: written by Jez Butterworth, John Henry Butterworth, David Cope, James

856
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: man Gold, of course, based on characters by George Lucas

857
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: and Philip Kaufman. Music Wonderful Music by John Williams, starring

858
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: the eighty year old Harrison Ford is Henry Jones, There's

859
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: a Kaya, Doctor Indiana Jones, Phoebe waller Bridge is Laynea Shaw,

860
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: the Wonderful Man's Michelson as Urugen Voler. Antonio banderis wonderful

861
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: Surprise has been all day.

862
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

863
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, John John Rhys Davies, who I'm not even gonna look.

864
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: He's back, Folks, Toby Jones and a brief roles Basilshaw

865
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: and more and more caron all and also make a

866
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: wonderful appearance. Should we try and recap it first before

867
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: we talk about it?

868
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? What do you want to try and do it

869
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 3: by memory? Let me see.

870
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: So we opened in nineteen sixty nine and Doctor Indiana. No,

871
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: actually we open in the last days of World War two.

872
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: There is Indian Jones is a prisoner at some Nazi

873
00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: fortress and he has taken prisoner along with his buddy

874
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: Buzz Basil Shaw. They're here looking for like a spear

875
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: that was used to stab Christ. But it turns out

876
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: that's a fake and the actual thing that the Nazis

877
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: are after is uh the anti antik etherea mechanism which

878
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: was created by Archimedes and which eventually you will discover

879
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: can allow people to travel through time, through fissures in time.

880
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it is the closing days of World War two,

881
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 2: and Indiana Jones and Basil end up on a plunder train,

882
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 2: which is the Nazis trying to steal all the ship.

883
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: And then they're like, we gotta stop, we gotta stop,

884
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: we gotta get this train. We've got to take this

885
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: stuff to a museum. I fucking love museums. Museums are

886
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: so important.

887
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 3: But Matts Michelson look a little bit d aged, but

888
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: still looking good. Harrison Ford very d aged, very very

889
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 3: bad aging that we've usually seen.

890
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: I will say it's down down.

891
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: If you look at the math too much, it gets

892
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: a bit Superman in Justice, like can I am? They

893
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: should have de aged the voice because that is the

894
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: voice of an eighty years he is he's feeling I

895
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: was feeling like he had a cold.

896
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: I am a big as you know, as I said earlier,

897
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: I love Herriver Phoenix as young Indiana Jones. I'm saying,

898
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: cast a different actor, it would be fine Oscarizer Indiana Jones.

899
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: Sebastian's Sebastian, Uh you know what's his name? He plays?

900
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: He's the win a soldier. You know, there's all kinds

901
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: of young young men you can play. You can have

902
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: play him. I was gonna say Sebastian Shaw like he

903
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: was in the hell Fire Club. But anyway, he's look

904
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: in dh They're on the train. It's very CG heavy,

905
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: but Matts Michelson is there, Jurgen Vola, and he really

906
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: wants the dial of Destiny.

907
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: He believed. He wants that dial, he believes.

908
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: Guess what, uh, Doctor Jones and his buzzy basil kind

909
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: of foil this.

910
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: We flash forward.

911
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 1: To nineteen sixty nine, where Indian Jones living in New

912
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: York City.

913
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: He's old.

914
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: He doesn't like that his young neighbors are partying and

915
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: blasting the Beatles.

916
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: He just don't care anymore. They don't care.

917
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about archaeology anymore. And all anybody wants to

918
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: do is get high and go to Lovin's and go

919
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: to Woodstock and share Grateful Dead and like fucking watch

920
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: the telecast of the moon landing. They don't how Dad,

921
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: they don't want How dare I try not to go

922
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: to the war?

923
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 3: How dare they do this? Anyway?

924
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: Doctor Jones makes the acquaintance of Helena Shaw, his goddaughter

925
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: who he won in a string of women who's he

926
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: abandoned over the course.

927
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: Of casually twenty years twenty years. Her dad went insane

928
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: because of the Dial of Destiny aka the Antikafa aka

929
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: Archimedes dial.

930
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: Which Indiana Jones gave to him. May I just say?

931
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: And then Helena like runs a little scam on Indiana

932
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: Jones and she's like, bro, where's the dial? I want

933
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: to find it. I want to become like a famous

934
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: archaeologist like you. But my dad said you lost it.

935
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: We know that didn't happen. We know Indy gave it

936
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: to him. And Indiana Jones is like, hmm, oh, I

937
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: think that's.

938
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: Not what happened.

939
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: But I trust you so because you're an adult and

940
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: you're going to help me, and that's gone really well

941
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: for me in the past.

942
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: So he takes her to his little office in his

943
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 3: school in downtown Manhattan. Sure the college is there on

944
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: the street, and there's a big part of college too,

945
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: I believe it is, yes, yes, yes.

946
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: And there is a huge parade going on for the

947
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: astronauts who have come back successfully from the moon landing.

948
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: And Helena and Indy go there and he shows her,

949
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: I actually have the dial of destiny, and you know what,

950
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: you can have it because I trust you. Ah ah,

951
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: bad choice. Because Helena betrays him. She locks him in

952
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: and he gets chased down by an interesting collection of

953
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: FBI slash CIA agents and Nazis.

954
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: Who are walking together.

955
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: That's right, because it turns out, folks, that's our good friend.

956
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: Jurgen Voler is in the States now as part of

957
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 1: Operation paper Clip. He is one of the Nazis who

958
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: the US government has tapped to help with the rocketry

959
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: program which put the astronauts on the Moon that everybody

960
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: is celebrating, and so apparently because of this, Urgen Wahl

961
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: has like a lot of leverage and just gets to

962
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: like assemble his only mercenary Nazi crew to find yeah,

963
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: under the watchful eyes of the CIA who were watching

964
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: his Nazis like just murder regular people in the streets

965
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: and like people who work at Hunter College, and they

966
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: just like look the other way and go, well, I

967
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: don't know this guy like invented rockets, so we don't

968
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: do anything.

969
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: You know, he was he is a Nazi war criminal

970
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: who's openly racist to people in America, but don't worry

971
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: about it. He created a rocket.

972
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 2: So turns out, thanks to Salah, the returning John Reyes Davis,

973
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 2: turns out Helena is a little scammer.

974
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: She's been selling antiquity.

975
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: She's not an archaeologists survived respect. She doesn't like museums.

976
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: She's taking them from a museum, but she's not giving

977
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: them back. She's selling him to the highest bidder. So

978
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: that means Indiana Jones has to go to Tangier, and

979
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: so does jug and Voller and his crew of like

980
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 2: Nazi CIA agents.

981
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: Right, who then shoot one of the CIA agents and

982
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: just kill her dead.

983
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 3: And her American government response she was interesting and then

984
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 3: they killed her off.

985
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: So a lot of stuff happens, you know chases.

986
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: There's many, many chases. You go in a little tuck

987
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: tuck chase.

988
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: The Jurgen has the dial of destiny, Helena has the

989
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 2: dial of destiny. Indiana Jones has the dial of destiny.

990
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: Lots of mcguffin swapping.

991
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: Then Jurgen with.

992
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: Helena aka wombat his you know his apparently has killed

993
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: her and with doctor Indiana Jones at again a spry

994
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: age of eighty as his prisoner flies off with the

995
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: dial of destiny in a period correct luftwaff Up transport

996
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: plane in search using this dial of a fisher through

997
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: time that will deliver him to nineteen thirty eight thirty nine.

998
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: I forget the.

999
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: Exactly with the idea, get this twist, Rosie to kill

1000
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: Hitler Gouse like Hitler fumbled the bag.

1001
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: I'm smarter than him. Put me in coach.

1002
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: I want to play as the fur. I'm going to

1003
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: go in there. I have a meeting with Hitler. I

1004
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: know the date of the meeting with Hitler. I'm going

1005
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: to meet the guy.

1006
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 3: I'm gonna kill him.

1007
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: And then I guess the Nazis are just gonna coalesce

1008
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: around me. They're not gonna put me to death for

1009
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: killing the furre going to all coalesce.

1010
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 3: Around me as the leader, and I will lead Nazi

1011
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 3: Germany to victory in World War two. That's his plan.

1012
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, seems silly, but okay, it was.

1013
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: A good twist. It was like they were like, what

1014
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 3: about if a Nazi wanted to kill Hitler? And then

1015
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 3: they were like, but he's the bad guy, so how

1016
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: do we make him wist?

1017
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, Hilo is stupid and I'm gonna be a better

1018
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: Hitler okay, but guess what Archimedes according to according to

1019
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: Indiana Joints, Archimedes.

1020
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 3: Idiot for idiot. He didn't trift, he didn't put that

1021
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: it is. So guess what. They fly through the fissire

1022
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: in time, followed by the hilarious twelve year old Teddy.

1023
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: Who is Helene's like sidekick and he can also fly

1024
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 2: a plane. Good for him. So then these two planes

1025
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: end up going through the Fissia and they're not in

1026
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 2: Nazi Germany.

1027
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 3: Good. They are in Sicily is where they were meant

1028
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: to be. But it's like three hundred and fourteen BC.

1029
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: He has something something like that something and the cod

1030
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: and the the you know, the Late Roman Mid Roman

1031
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: Republic and was it. I guess Middle Roman Republic is

1032
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: busy laying siege to Syracuse, where Archimedes lives. And long story, short, folks,

1033
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: what we find out is that Archimedes actually rigged the

1034
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: Dial of Destiny because he needed help. He knew he

1035
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: was gonna need help in this siege to fight off

1036
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: the Romans, and so he created this dial with the

1037
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: hopes that whoever finds it would go back through the

1038
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: time fisher with some help so that they could fight

1039
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: off the Romans, and.

1040
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 2: They scare the Romans off because they're in two planes

1041
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: and the Romans think they're dragons, and that helps. And

1042
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: also the dial is essentially a trap because it will

1043
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: never go anywhere else.

1044
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 3: Archimedi goes to the siege of Syracuse.

1045
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 2: So you'll go into the city, you'll go in there.

1046
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: Archimedes also keeps jug and Valla's watch. He's like, this

1047
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: is useful. I feel like that is a steampunk level

1048
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: time change. Like Steampunk is based on the idea that like,

1049
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: what if people had invented a computer in the Victorian Age?

1050
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 2: Very very paraphrase there, but generally that's idea. I feel

1051
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: like if there was a watch in three hundred and

1052
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: fourteen BC, the entire world would have changed. I feel

1053
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: like that is enough of technology. I don't know anything.

1054
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about time travel or Archimedes. So

1055
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones decides he.

1056
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: Wants to stay. I don't know why, because he loves history.

1057
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: We should add okay, so it is actually two thirteen

1058
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: to two twelve. Sorry, Like what do we know? One

1059
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: of the fun things, kind of fun things, and I

1060
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: don't know how purposeful it is about this movie. Is

1061
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: so Urgen Volar was taken to the US as part

1062
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: of Project paper Clip, in which the United States was

1063
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: acquiring geniuses to help their military, you know projects uh,

1064
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: and interestingly part of the.

1065
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: Siege of Syracuse.

1066
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: The Siege of Syracuse is part of a larger struggle

1067
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: against Carthage, but the Romans were well aware of the

1068
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: genius of Archimedes and had orders to capture him alive

1069
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: and bring him back to Rome so that he could

1070
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: build all these fantastic contraptions like the ones he had

1071
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: built to defend Syracuse.

1072
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: So he was going to be kind of the Urgen

1073
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: Volar of nar Yeah.

1074
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Anyway, doctor Jones has been wounded in this whole thing,

1075
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: and he's he's bleeding out, and he's like they get

1076
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: to meet Archimedes and they speak Greek to him, and

1077
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: apparently Greek of two thirteen BC is just like Greek now,

1078
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: and so they converse with him and Jones is like,

1079
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: leave me here.

1080
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't have nothing my son. By the way, sorry,

1081
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: we should have mentioned this alley about I wasn't r

1082
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: I P Mark. He died in Vietnam. They killed them.

1083
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: All, probably because he was trying to knife people instead

1084
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: of using guns.

1085
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying he had a lot of problems, so that

1086
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: spinoff never occurred for him, even though he did pick

1087
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: up the hat at the end.

1088
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: Of he did pick up their hat, but you never

1089
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: because he died in Vietnam.

1090
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: And that is incredibly harsh. But gave me a chuckle.

1091
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: And Indiana Jones, the worst thing about it is my

1092
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: only signed up just to piss off his dad because

1093
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: that they dropped.

1094
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: Prop that in the course of his conversation with Archimedes

1095
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: is so.

1096
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: Fucking I don't have any to live for. He's gone

1097
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 3: nothing to live for. Man went to Vietnam, went to Vietnam.

1098
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: Marion left him very love, do the effort.

1099
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: To make that relationship work. He's just gonna stay in Rome. Okay,

1100
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: that's what Maybe he's.

1101
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 3: Gonna leave me in ancient Sicily in two thirteen PC.

1102
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: I want to live here. I want to die here.

1103
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: The rooms are about to kill everyone here, So he's

1104
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: gonna die, souit. Men will fly through a fissure in

1105
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: time and go back to ancient Rome instead of going

1106
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: to therapy apparently.

1107
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: So he's so he's there. Helene is like not having.

1108
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: It Helene talks. Yeah, she talks and said, well socks

1109
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: some sense.

1110
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, the face, and she's like, you're out, bro, We're

1111
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 3: going right.

1112
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: And then carries him aboard Teddy's little plane and Teddy's

1113
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: little plane which is already carrying Teddy and the rateful

1114
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: pilot of the plane who was asleep in the bed.

1115
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: Hilarious necessary Indiana Jones gag by the way.

1116
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, sure, what is that.

1117
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 3: We don't need that guy, but he was there.

1118
01:00:51,240 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: And now the plane, this little ass plane is to carry.

1119
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: Little Eddie and yeah, and an unconscious Indiana Jones of

1120
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: the fishert.

1121
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: And it does, and so they end up back in

1122
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine in New York City, Indiana Jones wakes

1123
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: up in his apartment. He has been nursed back to

1124
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: health by Helena and Marion, who has arrived and apparently decided,

1125
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: you know what, this guy is a toxic, shitty partner

1126
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: who started messing around with me when I was a child,

1127
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: an age when I could not absolutely consent to whatever

1128
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: was going on. And then later even after we said

1129
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: like you know what, let's let's get hitched and let's

1130
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: finally do the thing. I guess abandoned me because he can't,

1131
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, ever stop heating the siren call of artifacts

1132
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: from other cultures.

1133
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 3: And so but you know what, he's been.

1134
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: Shot and has just come back from to thirteen BC,

1135
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: and so I am just absolutely gonna put the grocers

1136
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: away in his refrigerator and we're gonna.

1137
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: Patch things up, and they patch things up. Yeah.

1138
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: That actually, I have to say from the whole movie,

1139
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: that was the moment that really like emotionally resonated for me.

1140
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: I just think because I think Karen Allen's fucking great.

1141
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: And I will say I just want to give Karen

1142
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 2: Allen some props here because she has talked quite extensively.

1143
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 2: This was the quote she said, I have thought that

1144
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 2: I would be majorly a part of the film. So

1145
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 2: she was under the impression that originally she thought that

1146
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 2: she was supposed to be a major role. She told

1147
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: that to the Hollywood Reporter and she was kind of

1148
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: surprised that in the end, because originally, I guess Steven

1149
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: Spielberg had been working on this movie and she was

1150
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: meant to be more of a role, and then that

1151
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: changed when Jams Mangold came in.

1152
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 3: I would have liked to see more.

1153
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: I thought that was one of the most like not like,

1154
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: most emotionally resonant moments, and it was just lovely and

1155
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: I was happy for them, so like, good for them,

1156
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 2: but also you made many good points. I kind of

1157
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: wish Marian had moved on and gone to therapy too

1158
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: and found a more healthy partner.

1159
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: But you know what, they got a nice apartment in

1160
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: New York.

1161
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: The sun's coming through the window. You can drive a

1162
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: multi man. It's gonna be a multimillion dollar apartment. Oh

1163
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: like twenty thirty years when Indian Jones might still be alive.

1164
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: Run you could do it. Okay.

1165
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: So here's the thing about this movie, which is fine,

1166
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's it's perfectly fine movie.

1167
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: It is a.

1168
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: Bomb, certainly in the context of its three hundred plus

1169
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: million reported budgets three hundred and fifty to four hundred million.

1170
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: It only made sixty million dollars in an opening weekend

1171
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: and then dropped off precipitously, and gosh, let's talk about why.

1172
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that budget first, because reported three fifty.

1173
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 3: To four hundred I before my behave.

1174
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: That I don't believe that there's any way this movie

1175
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't.

1176
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be something weird going on.

1177
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's just no way this movie costs three

1178
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million if it won.

1179
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: And two it does not look like if it did,

1180
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: it didn't make it to the screen. I think that

1181
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: was my biggest struggle with this movie. It's like, look,

1182
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: the movie one is too long, two and a half

1183
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: hours long. Don't need it should have been two hours long,

1184
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: should have been ninety minutes long. I know we say

1185
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: that a lot on here.

1186
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 3: Look sometimes I love a long movie.

1187
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know movies like Endgame is really the

1188
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: one that made it seem like, well, look, this is

1189
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: like almost a three hour long movie, and people will

1190
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: go and watch it five times in the cinema. That

1191
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 2: has changed post COVID what people will choose to go

1192
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: to the cinema to see and rewatch and they know

1193
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 2: this will end up on Disney Plus soon. You can

1194
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: make a shorter, thrifty, or more efficient movie and a

1195
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: lot of times it's gonna people can see it more

1196
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: times in the cinema. You can show it more times,

1197
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: and it can be a more bracing experience this. I've

1198
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: watched the Indiana Jo's movie so many times. Lucasfilm was

1199
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 2: like a many many, many many times in my house

1200
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 2: growing up, right like VHS. Lucas could not goonies all

1201
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: that stuff, like uh and the Triviers.

1202
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 3: I've seen all of them, and this movie did not.

1203
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: It didn't have that bracing engagement, even in the way

1204
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: of like A Temple of Doom, which like we said,

1205
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: is like so horrifically racist.

1206
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 3: That would get you caught up in the emotion.

1207
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: In the way that the movie was made, and then

1208
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I wish it wasn't like this, or

1209
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to turn it off. This bit's really fucked

1210
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 2: up or whatever. This movie is very by the book

1211
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: modern Hollywood blockbrestle. I don't even think it really fits

1212
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: into the cool kind of requel style because.

1213
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 3: India is the main character.

1214
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: They don't do a great job building a new character

1215
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: that you want to follow, and it doesn't seem like

1216
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 2: they're interested in doing that, Like it doesn't feel like

1217
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 2: they're trying to set Helena up for anything here. But

1218
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: it also feels like they don't really say goodbye to

1219
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: India in a concrete way. And I agree with you.

1220
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: I think the biggest problem for me was like visually,

1221
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: there were cool there were course seeks, but I missed

1222
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: that practical.

1223
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 3: I know I sound so old.

1224
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I am a whole person, like I

1225
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: can't help it when I think about the we talked

1226
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 2: about the River Phoenix opening to Last Crusade. You know,

1227
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: on the train, there's so much fun seeing and scrambling

1228
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: around on that train, like having this adventure. There's a

1229
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 2: huge train fight sequence here and it's all CG and

1230
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: they're daged and the rain is CG and trainer CG

1231
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: and everything else is CG. And it just misses that,

1232
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 2: you know, the boulder chasing. The energy is lack of visceralness.

1233
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel real.

1234
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: It also feels almost too slick, which is kind of

1235
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: goes against the poulpinis and not necessarily slick in a

1236
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 2: good way, but like visually actually slick. And you know,

1237
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 2: super producer Chris brought up it before we were talking

1238
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: about it, and I thought about it too, because obviously

1239
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 2: they showed the Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning trailer before this movie.

1240
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 3: There's a huge.

1241
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: Train sequence in that, and we know it was practical,

1242
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 2: and that movie apparently cost almost one hundred million dollars

1243
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: less than the highest end of budget of this movie.

1244
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: I feel I understand Harrison Ford's old but like maybe

1245
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: that should make you question the situation. I just feel

1246
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 2: like the lack of practical the overcg it was hard

1247
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: for me to connect in an emotional way with.

1248
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 3: The characters until really.

1249
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 2: That like quiet moment at the end with Marion and

1250
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones, And I think a lot of that did

1251
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: come from that. It doesn't look like it costs that

1252
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: much money, and it feels like a lot of the

1253
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: heart of the Odd movies is missing, and I think

1254
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: a lot of that is to do with those those

1255
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 2: visual choices.

1256
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think moreover, when talking about this movie's disappointing

1257
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: box office performance, I think I haven't seen anybody talk

1258
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: about this, but this movie is it has attempted to

1259
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: do something that no other movie has done, is sell

1260
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: it reported three hundred and fifty million dollar budget movie

1261
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: and earn a massive return for a vehicle whose star

1262
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: is eighty yeah.

1263
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 3: And act hicle and action vehicle. This has never been no.

1264
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 2: This is When you said this, I thought this was

1265
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: really a great point that kind of people aren't really

1266
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 2: talking about. It's almost an untested product, even though it's

1267
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: an ip.

1268
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's never been done before. They even never put

1269
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: a person this old in the starring role of an

1270
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: action We were talking about budget action movie.

1271
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: We were talking about this like in the group chat,

1272
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: and like, the funny thing is about it.

1273
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 3: The closest comp is like an Expendables movie, right, and

1274
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 3: those are like twenty years younger.

1275
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: And there's about ten of them in the last one,

1276
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: Expendables three, And that movie made like two hundred million dollars.

1277
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 2: So it's not even like there is not even like

1278
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: a billion dollar version of this that has been done.

1279
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 2: Even to the closest comp.

1280
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: You could point it like a low Iron's Gate stuff

1281
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: and say, you know, John Wick is older Taken, Liam

1282
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: Neeson and Taken.

1283
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: You're still talking about younger.

1284
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: You're still talking about like in their sixties. Like Harrison

1285
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: Ford again is eighty And I understand what the d aging,

1286
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: but let's say the d aging was seamless.

1287
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 3: You know how old he is. I know how old

1288
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 3: Harrison Ford is. I also know.

1289
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: That I feel like they've done it enough times now

1290
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 2: to know that I don't think audiences really respond well

1291
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: to the aging.

1292
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 3: I just think it's like, just cast someone younger.

1293
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 2: It's about to stand the person who's I did not

1294
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: give the credit to. So many people wanted to see

1295
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: him as a young Luke Skywalker for years, there were

1296
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 2: all these conversations about how he looked like Mark Hamill

1297
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: when he was younger. You know, the idea of casting

1298
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: someone new is exciting. I understand that we had the

1299
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: hand solo experience, which didn't necessarily hit in the right way.

1300
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: But then I think a better movie again, I'll say

1301
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: it again, I think a better movie than people remember.

1302
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, yes, I agree to And also I will

1303
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 2: say I think as well, well, arguably a character who

1304
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 2: we already knew his.

1305
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 3: Younger version of. So maybe you don't need to do that.

1306
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 2: But when you're returning a character Luke, you know Indiana Jones,

1307
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: if you want to do that, don't be afraid to

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01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: cost a new person.

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01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 3: Guys, the daging is scary. It's given on CALLI Valley.

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think that you know that it's a

1311
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: thing that nobody's really talking about, which is the kind

1312
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: of unprecedented nature of trying to execute this level of

1313
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: movie with a star in his eighties. And then I think,

1314
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: secondarily listen. Shia above is not the right guy. But

1315
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: one thing that I think Crystal still did kind of

1316
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: do right was pick that co star who kuld have

1317
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: ostensibly taken the range of the series, who made I

1318
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: love Phoebe waller Bridge. I'm not sure that that's the

1319
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: right actor, and she's good in this role.

1320
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: She's good, but it's also like I thought that was

1321
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: cool aspects there the idea of Helena kind of being

1322
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: a criminal and stuff and not necessarily having but it

1323
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: didn't grab me as a character I wanted to particularly

1324
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 2: know more about, or I would have liked to see

1325
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 2: a younger, more action focused star.

1326
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 3: Ela Balinska, I love you. I'm always trying to get.

1327
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 1: These roles, but like someone, I'm just saying, if you're

1328
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: thinking about making someone who's through and fifty million dollars back,

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: I want to see someone who's doing stunts.

1330
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 3: If Harrison can't do the stunts, give a young person.

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01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 3: Someone's got to do it. Someone's got to see it.

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01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 3: Someone's got to do a stunt. Please, I just want

1333
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 3: to see one stunt. You know. It's I think, So

1334
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 3: what do you?

1335
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: I feel like you made another great point when you're

1336
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: talking about this like before, which you kind of were like,

1337
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 2: I think it's.

1338
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 3: Also about quality. These box office nus. You know, it's

1339
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 3: not a good move at the end of the day.

1340
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 3: I feel like that.

1341
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 2: I feel like that is really like a big problem

1342
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 2: with the Flash. I feel like if they'd have made

1343
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 2: a really great movie, even despite the controversies or the

1344
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: run time or anything else, people will.

1345
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 3: Find it and go to look at something like Elemental Right.

1346
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 2: I have yet to see it, but that Pixar movie exactly.

1347
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: The movie didn't do well in its opening round. It

1348
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,799
Speaker 2: was Pixar's biggest flop, especially if you consider inflation since

1349
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: you know Toy Story, which obviously was untested first movie,

1350
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: so that didn't make a lot of money the way Pixar.

1351
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: Movies do now.

1352
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 2: But every week that movie has been making money because

1353
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: it had an A minus cinema score, I believe, and

1354
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 2: families are going to see it and it is still

1355
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:28,839
Speaker 2: finding an audience.

1356
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 3: Now, will it.

1357
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: Still be a lost leader, maybe, But I think that

1358
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 2: the quality of it and the fact people want to

1359
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 2: see the film tells you everything you need to know

1360
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 2: about it. There's a reason Spider of Us didn't flop.

1361
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: It was fucking brilliant, Like I feel like they're too

1362
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 2: concerned about the IP and not as concerned about telling

1363
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: a good story.

1364
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that to me is really when people talk about

1365
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 1: IP fatigue and Indian Jones and the l of Destiny

1366
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: possibly being an example of IP fatigue, and you know,

1367
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: you can point in any number of of stories about

1368
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: various Marvel projects franchise fatigt W franchise fatigue. I think

1369
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's kind of like

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01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: this is dead obvious. And I'm not saying that it's

1371
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: easy to make something good, but just make something good

1372
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: like Indiana Jones and Dald Destiny is a perfectly fine movie,

1373
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 1: but it's not like great. And if you want to

1374
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,799
Speaker 1: make people sit back in their seats and spend tons

1375
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: of money and you want to be able to recoup

1376
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: that three hundred reported three hundred and fifty million dollars

1377
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: again I don't understand how this possibly could have cost you,

1378
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: then your best bet is to come out with something

1379
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: that's really just gangbusters. And this is just not It's

1380
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: not so like when people are like, oh, it's not

1381
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: a hit, it's also not a great movie.

1382
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: A great movie.

1383
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also think so I think something that kind

1384
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 2: of I think about a law as well, is like

1385
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: why do you make it?

1386
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 3: Right? Is it? Because?

1387
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 2: So the Flash suffered from that because it was originally

1388
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: meant to be this like ground Originally it's a flash movie,

1389
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 2: then it's a groundbreaking re purposes of DCU. Then it's

1390
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: not that, So it loses the why did it get made?

1391
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 2: And you don't necessarily get some great retelling or important

1392
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 2: new story, which you know, a lot of what happened

1393
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: in the Flash, as I've said many times already happened

1394
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 2: in the CW, like why did they make it? Indiana

1395
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 2: Jones feels like that to me, especially when it's coming

1396
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: from someone like James Mangold, who you know made Logan,

1397
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: which is like one of the greatest comic book movies

1398
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 2: ever made, a truly great movie. That's a movie where

1399
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 2: you felt like, oh, I need to know this about

1400
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 2: the character. I'm so glad I saw this story this

1401
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones didn't tell me that. I didn't know why

1402
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 2: this needed to be added to the law. You know.

1403
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 2: That's where I think people start to feel like, is

1404
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: it a bit of a cash grab? There's not necessarily

1405
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 2: something new. I also think It's interesting to try and

1406
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: still be telling a story that was nostalgic to the

1407
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 2: men who made it in the eighties, like Indiana Jones

1408
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,919
Speaker 2: was pulpy and nostalgic to George Lucas and Steven Spielberg.

1409
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 2: They wanted to recreate a storytelling tradition that they had

1410
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 2: enjoyed as children, and they wanted to bring it back

1411
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 2: and do their own version. Do we still need to

1412
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: be trying to tell that story like fifty years later

1413
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 2: with no reconsideration.

1414
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 3: That's kind of what I was.

1415
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: Thinking a lot in the movie was like, how do

1416
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 2: you tell a cool pulp story in an unexpected different way.

1417
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 3: That's what I think they didn't do with this.

1418
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 2: I think they tried to make it too much like

1419
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: the originals, and instead I think there is a cool

1420
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 2: space to tell an Indiana Jones story that subverts or

1421
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: recontextualizes or adds to the law, and I don't necessarily

1422
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: think this did that, and I think people do want

1423
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: that when they come to an ip or franchise storytelling.

1424
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: And then my final thing about why maybe it doesn't work,

1425
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about if this necessarily led to the

1426
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: to bombing the way it did. But one of the

1427
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: things that kind of I could have been better. We're

1428
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: going to cover the Mission Impossible franchise, uh, and we're

1429
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: going to cover Mission Impossible seven. And I thought one

1430
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: of the things that fall Out twenty eighteen Fallout did

1431
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: really well that was was underline that Ethan is getting

1432
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: older and he's not as good as he used to be,

1433
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: and he can't fight the bad guys alone anymore. It

1434
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: takes them a little longer to get up. And there's

1435
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: some of that with it's done in a gagway though

1436
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: it's like his balments.

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01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 2: It's the it's show, don't tell, And it's also about

1438
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 2: what that means for the state of the world if

1439
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 2: he can't be the hero we need. What Withindiana Jones,

1440
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 2: it's like I'm climbing up a giant mountain, but my

1441
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 2: knees are saw.

1442
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: I gotta take a break now, you know. And that's

1443
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: really the only moment where you're like, Okay, he's shown

1444
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: his age, but like we but calling it out, you're right,

1445
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: weakens it. And furthermore, it's not like they avoid the

1446
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: subject of how old he is, like it's he's a

1447
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:16,959
Speaker 1: tire topic, right, but you never he's still fighting the Nazis.

1448
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 1: He's still like climbing out of windows, he's still leaping

1449
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: onto the back of a horse. There's which you understand

1450
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: is a d is a d aged face swapped thing

1451
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: with a stuntman on the.

1452
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 3: Back of that horse, and it's but you, but there's

1453
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 3: no show.

1454
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: It's all hey, you're old now, Hey old man, Hey,

1455
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: old guy, Hey, how old are you?

1456
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 3: And there's there you're washed did.

1457
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: But there's no like there's very rarely Indiana Jones like

1458
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 1: trying to catch his breath or being like, I can't

1459
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: get up, or he's still getting up, and there's that

1460
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: moment which you mentioned when they're climbing out.

1461
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 3: Of the tomb.

1462
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: But that's it for the show part of it, and

1463
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: it and it felt disingenuous to me and unless they

1464
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: really lean into he's got the grill juice and they.

1465
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: Didn't do that because I'm gonna say that I would.

1466
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: Everybody knows if you listen to this podcast or you

1467
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: read what I this stuff that I write whatever I love,

1468
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 2: like fun out their stories, so you're you're rarely gonna

1469
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: hear me say this.

1470
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I did.

1471
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 2: Feel like, for once this could have done with being

1472
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: a bit more like grim and gritty. And I'm like,

1473
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 2: I say that, but you know, a tired his son died,

1474
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 2: like I want to see how that impacted him. He's old,

1475
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 2: he can't do it the same way I go on

1476
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 2: this mission. I feel like there could have been some gravitas.

1477
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 3: And grits that we didn't get.

1478
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: The emotional culmination of this film for Aniana Jones is

1479
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: him begging to be left in ancient Greece where he

1480
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: got to die like and that could have really been

1481
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: an emotional like gut punch. Some of that feeling of

1482
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: his impending mortality was was spread out through the film,

1483
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: but you really never feel that. You know, you don't

1484
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: feel that. And I think, and here's another take the

1485
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: d aging we talked about Lane get a younger actor.

1486
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: I think you could. I think if you didn't do

1487
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 1: the d aging, and if you got a younger actor

1488
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: or you just told the whole story in the present,

1489
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: then we could have sat with an older Indian And

1490
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: I really let that kind of melancholy, that emotional impact

1491
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: of this guy and how long is he going to

1492
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: be with us? And how long can he keep running

1493
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: around and climbing out of tombs that could have really

1494
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: hit us a little harder, and I think it's sad

1495
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: that they didn't. Instead of using that our natural affinity

1496
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: for Harrison Ford as we come towards the end of

1497
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: his career, they steered away from it, and I thought

1498
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: that was a mistake. Well, you know, feel free to

1499
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: see it if you're an Indian Jones fan. Again, it's

1500
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:58,759
Speaker 1: not a terrible movie.

1501
01:19:58,800 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 3: It's fine.

1502
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure I will there will be cinemas that I'm

1503
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 2: sure will do reruns of all of them, and I'm

1504
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 2: sure it will gain a cult following.

1505
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 3: Just as Kingdom of Crystal scolded, like, as you know

1506
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 3: what these movies they ever flow.

1507
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: It wasn't the great joyous send off that I would

1508
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: hope it would be, and I would get if it was,

1509
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: if I felt like it was for.

1510
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 3: A different generation or something.

1511
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 2: I actually saw it in an early bird screening with

1512
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 2: captions and everyone in there was like seventy, So it

1513
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: was fantastic.

1514
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 3: For a different generation.

1515
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 2: Actually, you're right, But like I don't feel it didn't

1516
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:36,799
Speaker 2: hit with it seems like with a wider audience.

1517
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: But you know what, I'm sure I'll find some love

1518
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 3: and you'll have fun if you watch it, but it

1519
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 3: is it's long. It is quite long. Up next, No Doubt.

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Speaker 2: In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love,

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Speaker 2: am why, a theory you're excited to share, or if

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Speaker 2: you have a quick question that we can answer, Cameron

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Speaker 2: offers a Secret Invasion theory. Hey guys, Cameron from San

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Speaker 2: Jose here. So Cameron is about to pose the theory

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Speaker 2: that I think would make the most sense for the

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Speaker 2: way they go forward post Secret Invasion.

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Speaker 3: So Cameron, I'm giving.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying you should put this on that we were

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Speaker 2: right for the future. That's what Cameron says, just so

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Speaker 2: i'd submit my theory. After watching the premiere of Secret Invasion,

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Speaker 2: after seeing the detainment system the scrolls are using to

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Speaker 2: trap the humans that they are imitating, I couldn't help

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Speaker 2: but think this is how we get Black Widow back right,

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Speaker 2: question mark. I can just see the final episode where

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Speaker 2: they're clearing the facility of human prisoners and they find

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Speaker 2: a room with Scarjo. I don't know, maybe a pipe dream,

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Speaker 2: but I'm calling it okay. So I'm going to say,

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Speaker 2: now that we're three episodes in, I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: going to happen in the show. But I do think

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Speaker 2: the future of what they do with the Scrolls and

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Speaker 2: this technology is used to bring back Black Widow.

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Speaker 3: You know, you could even if you wanted to.

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Speaker 2: It's like they they say Tony's body and they, you know,

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Speaker 2: healed him.

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Speaker 3: Or something like.

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Speaker 2: I do think that it will go more comic book

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Speaker 2: heavy in the future, and the fact that the Scrolls

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Speaker 2: have this attainment unit in Secret Invasion, though it is

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Speaker 2: a more grounded show, will be used as a mcguffin

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Speaker 2: in the future to reintroduce characters that have been sorely missed.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I will also say in the original

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Speaker 1: Secret Invasion that comic book arc was used to bring

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Speaker 1: back Bobby Morse Mockingbird, the the you know, the swashbuckling

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Speaker 1: secret agent romantic partner of Hawkey who had passed away

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Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty years earlier in real time and

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Speaker 1: was dead dead, and they used Secret Invasion to bring

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Speaker 1: her back and say, actually no, she was in Skull

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Speaker 1: Scroll detainment this whole time.

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Speaker 3: So I think, though, yeah, it can absolutely be.

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Speaker 2: Done, I think is I think that is gonna to

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Speaker 2: be what we see? Will it happen with Black Widow?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think they could want to move back to that

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Speaker 2: more traditional Avengers team now that that I bet you

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Speaker 2: they isn't hitting in a certain the same way. But

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Speaker 2: I think that this is going to happen, whether it's

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Speaker 2: with Black Widow or other characters. I think that though

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Speaker 2: this version of Secret Invasion has not been taken very

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Speaker 2: heavily from the comics, I think we'll see it used

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Speaker 2: and seeded as a way to reintroduce and introduce bigger

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Speaker 2: characters going forward.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because I think you're exactly right,

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Speaker 1: and I bet you that some exects it is near

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Speaker 1: to creative movers and shakers are saying, can we get

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Speaker 1: any of that original cast back?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think Black Widow is on the table, But at

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Speaker 1: what point what are the odds that we get, say

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Speaker 1: cap or because I think that it could happen with

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Speaker 1: the multiverse, just go wi them and get another one.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna see Steve in the suit again, no question,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: I think I think that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: I think Chris Evans loves the character, I think the

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Speaker 2: fans love him. Bucky's still involved, so they can come

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Speaker 2: back and recreate. I have always been of the belief,

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Speaker 2: post watching Robert Downey Junior's Doctor Doolittle movie, that he

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Speaker 2: will be coming back.

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Speaker 3: To the MCU.

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Speaker 2: I do believe it will happen. I think Tony is

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Speaker 2: a fair bet. I've always been interested, even from before Endgame,

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Speaker 2: in the idea of doing like the young Tony stuff

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Speaker 2: that they did in the comics, where you could have

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Speaker 2: like a younger Tony come in. But I think we

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Speaker 2: could see a Robert Downey Junior cameo or even with

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Speaker 2: the Scrolls a potential return. I think it's most likely

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Speaker 2: to happen in the soon to be announced renamed Avengers

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Speaker 2: movie Avengers Versus x Men, that I'm sure is gonna

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Speaker 2: happen instead of one of the many Kang films that

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Speaker 2: were planned. But I think we could see whenever the

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Speaker 2: X Men Fantastic four come back, I think they might

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Speaker 2: try and bring back those original Avengers just for a

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Speaker 2: little bit, just to make.

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Speaker 3: Do they do old Cap? Do you think they do

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Speaker 3: old Cap?

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Speaker 2: Not as not like Joe Biden cap from the end,

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Speaker 2: but maybe like maybe like he's like he's kind of

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Speaker 2: more like a you know, a rogue, Like he's a

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Speaker 2: bit of a result, a little bit more of like

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Speaker 2: an old man cap, like how we would call old

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Speaker 2: Man logan in the comics, but not.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't think Joe Biden caps coming back in that,

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Speaker 3: but not like a shredded comics old cap. Wait, I

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Speaker 3: think that you think they do they can do it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be like old Man, like

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Speaker 2: old Man logan or old Man depool or old man cap.

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Speaker 2: But I would like to see shredded old cap. Just

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Speaker 2: wait like twenty years till Chris Evans old and then

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Speaker 2: bring him back.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Caaren, of you have theories, passions or quick questions

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Speaker 1: you want to share, hit u up at x ray

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Speaker 1: at Crooked dut calm instructions in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: Well that's it for us. Any plugs, Rosie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I will be at San Diego Comic Con this

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Speaker 2: year if you want to be, If you want to

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Speaker 2: come and see me, I'll be moderating two really cool

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Speaker 2: panels for webtoon on Thursday morning and Friday morning. I

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Speaker 2: should I may be announcing something very cool and unexpected,

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Speaker 2: even unexpected to me on Saturday, but we have to

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Speaker 2: wait and see if that's gonna happen. So I'll be

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Speaker 2: in San Diego, so as always, you can spot where

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Speaker 2: I am on Instagram, Rosie marks and come and say

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Speaker 2: hi to me.

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Speaker 3: I'll have scenes and cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: Catch the next episode of Xtra Vision on Friday, July fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: where we'll be covering episodes three and four of Secret.

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Speaker 2: Division, and you can watch four episodes of the podcast

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Speaker 2: join our discord where the link will be in the

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Speaker 2: show notes so you can hang out with a bunch

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Speaker 2: of cool fans.

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Speaker 3: I'm me and Jason all Right. Star ratings, five star reviews.

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Speaker 3: We gotta give him to us.

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Speaker 1: Here's one from mal rat forty two one of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: My only complaint is that Jason and Rosie don't cover

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Speaker 1: literally everything I could see, so I guess my real

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Speaker 1: complaint is that the multiverse doesn't actually exist, but that

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Speaker 1: isn't their fault.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for forty two. Xtra Vision is

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Speaker 3: a Crooked Media production.

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Speaker 1: The show is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin

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Speaker 1: and executive produced by me Jason Concepci, and our editing

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Speaker 1: and sound design is by Viscillis Fatopoulos. Video Production by

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Speaker 1: and Caroline Dunfey.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to Brian Basquez for a theme you say,

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