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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, I'm Eli. Hey, I'm Diana. Well we got

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Speaker 1: This is from Seth bats That's that's he wrote in

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Speaker 1: after our Lonely Hearts Killers episode. Yeah, that was an

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Speaker 1: in hearing any of these opinions she had. And I

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Speaker 1: guess the rest of the party was all like, how

424
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: rude do you see, Winston. He's over there ignoring all

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00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: the male dignitaries in favor of a woman. The woman

426
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: is listening to him, dashing brandy and seagulls. Oh my god, man,

427
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: what could she be offering you? That's so fascinating? But

428
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: she just not like she's talking about maths for something

429
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: interesting like that. Let's be clear, I think plenty of

430
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: dudes in high society also no ship about math, plenty

431
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: of sea students up in here. Looks counted little with

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00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: her states Winston Churchill dot org. Jez damn again with

433
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: the burn. They just took every opportunity to be like.

434
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, this guy was plug ugly like,

435
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: and Winston Churchill dot org is a voracious and furious

436
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: defender of his legacy. If they had no trouble. They

437
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: are like, we are going to keep it real about

438
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: the man's looks. He was a three and that's how

439
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: it is British, the British three. When asked later that

440
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: night if Clementine found him handsome, she said, I find

441
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: him very interesting, was a kind answer. He has a

442
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: great personality. Look, she was a diplomat from early on.

443
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 1: Right well, and again she's probably like, who cares? Like,

444
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: I've talked to some handsome dudes and I wanted to

445
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: jump out a window within like a day, So like,

446
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: let me find somebody who doesn't bore me to tears.

447
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: You know, who cares? What his face is like that

448
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: it sounds like that was one of the first conversations

449
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: she legitimately enjoyed, like in her life, maybe years old.

450
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: For five months, they saw each other frequently as social engagements.

451
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: They sent to each other letters, and in September of

452
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: nine they got married, and Lady Blunch she actually wasn't

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00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: too unhappy with the match. She was interested. She was

454
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: into it. She said, you know what, it's not the

455
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: easy life that I wanted for her, but she's happy.

456
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: Real change of heart for Lady Blanche there, like, you

457
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm really trying to put a square peg

458
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: in a round hole here. And maybe my daughter's happiness

459
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: is important. I don't know. And Clementine's grandmother, Lady Airley,

460
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: wrote that Winston is his father over again with the

461
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: American driving force, added, Clementine is wise, she will follow him,

462
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: and I hope say little. No, Lady Airley was the wrong,

463
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, I know right, Thankfully, Clementine did not say little.

464
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: She said a lot. There's a story and history dot com.

465
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: And in nine nine, Winston and Clementine had just arrived

466
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: in Bristol to do some glad handing with like local

467
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: party members, little political stop, and they had just been

468
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: fighting about the women's right to vote. This was a

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00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: big issue between them because Clementine was very pro women's

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00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: suffrage and Winston was very against it. He had taken

471
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: a public stance against it, in fact, and everyone knew

472
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: he was against it. So they're in Bristol. They're on

473
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: the platform of the train station. Clementine's on one end

474
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: chatting people up and Winston's on the other end doing

475
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: the same, and then out of the crowd a suffragist

476
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: burst forward and started attacking Winston. She beat him and

477
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: shoved him towards the tracks where a train was speeding

478
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: in fast. He teetered, he waved his hands, he tilted.

479
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: Will he survive or will Winston Churchill be crushed by

480
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: a speeding train laid lat on the tracks and a

481
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: big spatter of Winston mess. There's only one way to

482
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: know for sure, and we'll find out at this commercial break.

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00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. But we left our heroes last.

484
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: Winston was teetering towards his very depth in front of

485
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Speaker 1: a speeding train after being attacked by a militant suffragist. Fortunately,

486
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: from across the platform, Clementine saw what was happening, and

487
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: she wonder woman her way over to him. She was

488
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: tossing people out of her way left and right. She

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Speaker 1: was tumbling over a whole stack of sacks of luggage.

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00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: She was pushing carts and porters. She slapped a man

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Speaker 1: in the face to get to Winston. And she got

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Speaker 1: to Winston, and she grabbed the coat tails of his

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Speaker 1: jacket and pulled him back just as the train flew by,

494
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: saving his dang dang life. Amazing and hopefully, he thought,

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00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: maybe I should give women the vote if they're Quentu

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00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: pushed me in front of Sadly, it did not change

497
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: his mind. Now, if anything, he'd probably like, see, look

498
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: how crazy you are. If women could vote, they'd vote

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00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: to throw me in front of a train. Might be right, yeah,

500
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: they might have clearly one person, one woman voiced her.

501
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: She said, I'll have a voice, whether you like it

502
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: or not, sir. I wonder if she said that as

503
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: she shoved him. I vote you in front of trains. Clementine.

504
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean she was athletic. That's the other thing about her.

505
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: She was taller and more athletic than Winston. She liked

506
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: to play tennis and go swimming and even climbing and

507
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: everything like that. So she was she was ready to

508
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: save a life if she was called to do so.

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00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: I love it. But in England got into a spot

510
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: of batha, a little fool little tit for tat with

511
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: the Germans called World War One. Well, I guess at

512
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: the time it was called the Great they were hoping

513
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be another one. Ended up we needed a sequel.

514
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: They're like, don't please, don't franchise this. It's just the

515
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: Great War. They should have called it the greatest war.

516
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: There will ever be period the end. No other wars trademarked.

517
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: Other wars are not allowed to be as great as

518
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: this one. We're done. Winnie, as Winston was known, took

519
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: on military leadership during World War One. Meanwhile, Clementine worked

520
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,239
Speaker 1: to provide food to munitions workers in London, so they

521
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: were both very active in the war effort. In nineteen eighteen,

522
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: she's appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire

523
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: as a gratitude for her work, but Winnie totally bift

524
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: it while fighting the Turkish in the Dardanelles and the

525
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: Glipoli Campaign and it was seen as a military disaster

526
00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: and the historic disaster, and he was demoted. Clementine told

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00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: him patience is the only grace you need. Yeah. He

528
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: actually then said, well, I know what I need to do.

529
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: I have to go volunteer to fight in the trenches

530
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: in the Western Front. And you'd think most wives at

531
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: the time are going to be telling their husbands, no, please,

532
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: don't volunteer to do that. We've got children, don't go.

533
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: And Clementine said, yeah, yeah, you should, that is what

534
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: you should do. And she actually said don't come home

535
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: too soon because that she knew that he needed to

536
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: show the world that he wasn't some selfish hothead, that

537
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: he wasn't just going for the glory and to make

538
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 1: himself look better. Her biographer Sonya Purnell said, she wanted

539
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: people to want him to come back. He couldn't just

540
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: show up and be seen and then come home. People

541
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't buy it. He had to make the people miss

542
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: him and realized that he was needed, and that's what

543
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: he did. He went and fought hard in the trenches.

544
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: But this was the sort of advice that Clementine was

545
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: giving him early in his career that really paved the

546
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: way for him to eventually become Prime Minister and defeat

547
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: the Nazis in World War Two. This was a definitive

548
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: moment in history and their early marriage uh is really

549
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: what led to his success because it worked. He was

550
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: seen as a hero and really started to elevate his

551
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: position after taking this action. A little personal note, Winston

552
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: called Clementine his pussycat and she called him her pug cute.

553
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: He bought the estate chart Well in southeast England, near Kent.

554
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: During the move, Clementine was visiting with her mother in

555
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: France and Winstone wrote her a letter with a poem

556
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: and its what do you say? We go on down

557
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: to poetry corner. We're jamming out with Winston Churchill tonight.

558
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: Let's hear what he's got to say. Only one thing

559
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: lacks these banks of green the pussycat, who is the queen?

560
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: Well that's that's it. I'm done. Oh oh all right,

561
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: Well give it up from Winston Churchill. Everyone, there's another

562
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: one from Winston. If that's not enough, Winston Churchill poetry

563
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: for you. He did write one to his daughter because

564
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: there they had a pug dog and the pug was sick,

565
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: so he wrote them another poem as well. Oh great,

566
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: here's another one from Winston Churchill. Don't forget to tip

567
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: your bartenders. Oh what is the matter with Paul puggy Wog?

568
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: Pet him and kiss him and give him a hug,

569
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: run and fetch him a suitable drug, Wrap him up tenderly,

570
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: all in a rug. That is the way to cure

571
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: puggy Wug. That's it. I'm done. Wow. Just uh you know,

572
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: he was a writer. His pros were renowned across the world. Uh,

573
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: lesser known as a poet. And that's okay. I think

574
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: I see why anyway, So their early marriage was the

575
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: easy years, particularly when Winstone was working with the Liberal Party,

576
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: because Clementine could not stand the Tories. But Winstone kind

577
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: of tilted either direction on many issues, as we talked

578
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: about here, already crushed the aisle for the liberals um,

579
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: but he still had a lot of conservative leanings as well. Um,

580
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: So Clementine saw it as her duty to be his

581
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: conscience about social issues. Purnell wrote that Clementine once said

582
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: she would have loved to have been a statesman if

583
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: only she had been born with trousers rather than petticoats. Man.

584
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: British babies are born in trousers, petticoats, My god, they're

585
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: very modest. So anyway, Clementine could not be a statesman herself,

586
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: so she decided she would help guide one. So they

587
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: were forced to spend a lot of their time apart.

588
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: As Winston's career grew. She hated that he was gone

589
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: for a long time. She didn't like that they were

590
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: a part. They fought regularly about her more liberal views.

591
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: In the mid twenties, he rejoined the Conservative Party, which

592
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: was real difficult for her, and she didn't like Chart

593
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: well either, But she put up with living there. And

594
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: Winston was a very hard husband have. He's pretty impossible.

595
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he loved her very much, but his priority

596
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: was his political career. Mary Solmes wrote from the day

597
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: she married him until his death fifty seven years later,

598
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: Winston dominated her whole life. And once this priority had

599
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: been established, her children, personal pleasures, friends, and outside interests

600
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: competed for what was left. So Winston was like a

601
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: largeer than life kind of presence. He took up a

602
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: lot of space even when he wasn't there. Yeah, and

603
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: he demanded a lot from the people around him. One

604
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: time they were fighting. In their argument got so hated

605
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: that in the middle of dinner, Clementine flung a whole

606
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: plate of spinach right at his face. Out this heat

607
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: is not becoming a new ma'am. This plate of spinach

608
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: will be coming into your face. Damn. Still, they kept

609
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: coming back together. They loved each other deeply. That was

610
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: just a common through line. And this was evident in

611
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: their letters and the people who knew them and the

612
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: way they spoke to each other, and they just they

613
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: really did love each other very much. And he knew

614
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: what a challenge he was, Like he understood that it

615
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: was a lot of extra work for her. He wrote

616
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: her this letter during World War One while he was

617
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: in France that said, I would like to have another

618
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: soul in another world and meet you in another setting

619
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: and pay you all the love and honor of the

620
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: great romances. He was like, I would somehow be less

621
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: work if it weren't for all this war stuff. If

622
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: everything was different, including me and you and the entire

623
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: circumstances of the world at large. Howdy would I woo

624
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: the hell out of you. You'd finally get a bouquet flowers.

625
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: I'll show you a real good time if it weren't

626
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: for you, know, everything there is. She was reading, like, oh,

627
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: that sounds easy. I'm so happy for other universe me.

628
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: So in the Conservatives were defeated and Churchill was removed

629
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: from office. Because of how British politics work, it's very complicated,

630
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: don't ask me. So he's out of office and these

631
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: are referred to as his wilderness years, and he had

632
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: a reputation for heavy drinking at this time. He was

633
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Speaker 1: very prone to depression throughout his whole life, but especially

634
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: now when he sort of didn't have a lot to

635
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: get involved with and then in ninety three, this real

636
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: fucking piece of work, this real fucking egotistical, big piece

637
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: of ship. You might have heard of him. Adolph Hitler

638
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: had just come into power in Germany, and Winston and

639
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: him and team both were like, Hey, everybody, bad idea.

640
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: This guy is bad news. We don't like this. No

641
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: one should be okay with this, and this isn't gonna

642
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: go well for anyone. And you know, England wasn't really

643
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: thinking about it that much of the time. The government

644
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: that was in power was like, Yeah, yeah, Germany's doing

645
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: their thing. Well, we'll cross that bridge when we come

646
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: to it. Or he's just a rabble rouser, he's just

647
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: a smooth talker or whatever, no worries. So Churchill was

648
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: one of the few voices at that time that was

649
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: really speaking out against it. To be fair, Churchill also

650
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: said similar things about Gandhi. So you know, you win some,

651
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: you lose some. I was gonna say, um, if England

652
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: was anything like America in the early thirties, they did

653
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: not care because they were more concerned about Germany paying

654
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: their reparations for World War One, for the Great War

655
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: than they were about whatever they were doing with him.

656
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: And Juice just pay us our money. I always thought

657
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: that was very frustrating that we were like, yeah, debt,

658
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: that's the more important thing. Yeah. So anyway, the thirties

659
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: are rocky for the church Hills and the world. You know,

660
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: everybody in Europe like a depression, like a whole lot

661
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: going on. Nobody was having a great time in the thirties.

662
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: And three is going to take us to this week's

663
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: double side pian double side piece of them outside. It

664
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: takes two to tango. Winston Churchill's secret affair is this

665
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: mishmash of gossip and passion and super British repressed emotion.

666
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: In five, this guy Jack Colville, who had been one

667
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: of Churchill's wartime secretaries, came out of an interview and said,

668
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: Winston Churchill certainly had an affair. Now at this point

669
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty three, Churchill's going to be about sixty years old,

670
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: and he was taking holiday regularly in the Trivieria. Clementine

671
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: didn't care for the south of France and she never

672
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: went with him. So he's there alone, hanging out with

673
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: some friends there, and he spent many days with a

674
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: woman named Doris castle Ross that Doris was a total

675
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: smoke show. She was way younger than him, and she

676
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: allegedly had been sleeping her way up the ranks through

677
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: society because she kind of came from nothing and didn't

678
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: like that. Um. She had been an American courtisan and

679
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: slept with American millionaire Stephen Sandford and this aristocrat Tom Mitford,

680
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: and reportedly even tried to cure a known homosexual, Robert

681
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Herbert Percy. H Hey, guess what didn't work out for

682
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: her there? Because that's not how it works Doris. So,

683
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: how hot was Doris? Well, she is the great aunt

684
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: of model and actor Kara del Avine. Oh my god.

685
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: She's also a very uh sexual woman, and she once

686
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: said there's no such thing as an impotent man, only

687
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: an incompetent woman. Oh my god. Sorry, sorry, I got

688
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: somebody to take my threat. Well, okay, but Doris would

689
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: tell you that it is you know, did you get

690
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: something else stuck in your throat? Yeah, that's what she'd says.

691
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: Doris Colville claims that they had a recurring affair Doris's niece,

692
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Caroline Delavine, whose car Delavine's mother said, my mother had

693
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: many stories about my aunt's house in Berkeley Square when

694
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: Winston came to visit the staff. We're all given the

695
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: day off, which tells you something. Uh no, no, you

696
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: won't be needed today. Thank you. Take your prying eyes elsewhere.

697
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: Caroline Delavine also said, Doris confided in my mother, and

698
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: yes it was known that they were having an affair.

699
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: Winston's even rumored one time to have told her, Doris,

700
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: you could make a corpse. Come please, don't well, I

701
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. You're like Clementine's at home being awesome,

702
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: getting cheated on. This is bullshit. But no. In she

703
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: boarded this yacht called the Roussara, and she met a bright, handsome,

704
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: strong John Art dealer named Terence Philip. Can I just

705
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: say how hard it was to google information about Terence Philip,

706
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: because all I got is hey, buddy, buddy, speaking of

707
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: strong Josh, I just don't even connect the Clemmie really

708
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: needed a break. This guy's the polar opposite of Winston. Okay,

709
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: he's fest and loose, he's not ambitious. He's just a fun,

710
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: playful guy, super fun to be around. They're having a

711
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 1: good old time and she kind of falls like head

712
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: over heels for him. But he had not met Doris,

713
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: so he was gay. So the cruise wasn't the kind

714
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: of cruising, the kind of Moogi Robinson cruise and she

715
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: was going for. But I think it was probably a

716
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: really good break for her. She probably was like, I'm

717
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: a woman I think it probably made her feel like

718
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: a woman again, you know what I mean, like I

719
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: look good, I feel good. I think that really put

720
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: some heart back into her, and she was very excited

721
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: to get back to Winston. Their letters to each other

722
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: at the time, while they were in separate areas, were

723
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: still full of love and romance, and people who knew

724
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: them and knew all the gossip at the time said,

725
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: this is all bullshit, bullocks, It's all a load of bullocks.

726
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: Winston Churchill dot Org furiously defend their fidelity. They say,

727
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: not only is this evidence super flimsy, but we also

728
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: don't trust this guy who said it. He doesn't know anything.

729
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: They say, it's all bullshit. They also say these two

730
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: were so in love that an affair is unthinkable. But

731
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: I take issue with that as evidence because I think

732
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: it's a broad statement to say two people who are

733
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: very much in love couldn't possibly have had an affair.

734
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: On opposite sides of the world, especially at a rocky

735
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: point in their relationship. You don't have to have a

736
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: bad relationship for that to happen necessarily. Yeah, you don't

737
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: cheat unless you've fallen out of love. Is a very

738
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: limiting way to think about it, for sure, and to

739
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: think about love in general regardless whatever happened. But the

740
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: affair or not, none of that mattered because we're moving

741
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: into the late nineteen thirties now, and the world needed

742
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: England to step up, and England needed Winston Churchill and

743
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: Winston needed Clementine. But before we get in all at

744
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: let's just take a little quick break and be right

745
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: back after this. Okay, welcome back to the show. Where

746
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: were we? Six? King Edward The eight wanted to marry

747
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: an American socialite named Wallace Simpson. This is another one.

748
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: We could probably do another episode. We will. I've yea

749
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: skipped forward to our future episode and wall Simpson. That's

750
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: a whole thing. Uh. This was a big deal because

751
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: Wallas Simpson was working on her second divorce and the

752
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: Church of England didn't allow divorced people to remarry if

753
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: their ex spouse was still alive, and so there's a

754
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: constitutional crisis there. So Edward was like, well, you know what,

755
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: how about y'all keep this throne and I go marry

756
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: my divorce. I would rather have her than be king. Um,

757
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: so he abdicated. Church Hill thought this whole thing was

758
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: just nonsense, but Clementine was in hisas ear like, hey,

759
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: you're really reading the room wrong, really keeping him in

760
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 1: touch with everybody else's opinions and trying to make sure

761
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: that he's steered a little bit by public opinion because

762
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: that's very important in politics. Uh So Edward abdicated the throne,

763
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: and he pledged loyalty to King George the sixth, but

764
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: he had called the whole thing unnecessary. Fortunately, though, I

765
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: think we're glad that Edward abdicated because he was something

766
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: of a Nazi sympathizer himself, so if he had not

767
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: sucked off, England may have made a deal with Nazi

768
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: Germany and we might have just a very different world today.

769
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: So glad that King Edward has gone, especially with what's

770
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: coming next, because in May of nineteen thirty seven, the

771
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Baldwin resigned and Neville Chamberlain was made Prime Minister.

772
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: At first Churchill and Chamberlain he's totally into it. But

773
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: then came the appeasements. Chamberlain appeased first to Musolini, then

774
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: eventually to the fearer of fox sticks himself, Adolph Hitler.

775
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: And what that meant was give a little ground to

776
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: the Nazis and uh and hopefully that'll stop an all

777
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: out war from happening. Turns out you should never give

778
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: a little ground to the Nazis. Here's a little historical

779
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: lesson for you, because in September of nine, Hitler is like,

780
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: I am gonna take land in Czechoslovakia. Okay, yeah, this

781
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: is very good idea. This the last time we're going

782
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: to take any part of your dont vory. It's the

783
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: last thing we want. Uh. We swear, pinky swear, We're

784
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: not going to take anything else. And Winston Churchill storms

785
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: down to Downing Street. He's fucking pissed. He kicks down

786
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: the door and he's like the bloody hell he is.

787
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: He tells Chamberlain, listen, you're going to tell Hitler. Then

788
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: if they lay one sour croutain swash to cover, don't

789
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: Jacob jingle him a finger on Czechoslovakia. We're going to

790
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: war and Chamberlain says new and he goes down to

791
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: Munich and signs the Munich Agreement, which basically says, sure, Germany,

792
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: we won't get in your way. Uh, And everybody's going

793
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: to be cool and we're all cool here. Everything's fine.

794
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: But Hitler had his fingers crossed behind his back. Yeah,

795
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: pretty much. Churchill called it a total and unmitigated defeat

796
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: and big surprise. Within a year, Hitler was fucking around

797
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: and not finding out. So Britain declared war on Germany

798
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: and everybody's looking around like, hey, excuse me. Did somebody

799
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: see this coming. Did anybody's tell us that we shouldn't

800
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: let the Nazis just run around with their schnitzels out?

801
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: Did anybody think this was maybe going to go badly

802
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: for us? And they're like, oh, Winston Churchill seemed to

803
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: say something about it. So the day they declared war,

804
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: Chamberlain goes to Churchill and is like, uh, yes, I'm

805
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: going to reappoint you as the first Lord of the Admiralty,

806
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: which was Churchill's original position in World War One. In

807
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: April of nineteen forty, the Nazis took Norway and a

808
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: two day debate was launched on how the British government

809
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: was handling the war. Spoiler alert not well, uh, there's

810
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: basically a vote of no confidence in Chamberlain. We don't

811
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: trust him. We need a bulldog here, and somebody said,

812
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: I know a pug perfect for this job, and Winston

813
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: Churchill became Prime Minister. Only recently has Clementine's importance in

814
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: World War Two really come to light. We didn't know

815
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: about any of this ship until very very recently. The

816
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: public figure that we know and and imagine Winston Churchill

817
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: to be, she was half of that person. Really like

818
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: his speeches rousing and amazing and inspiring, and they really

819
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: were a vital part of the Allied victory against Hitler.

820
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: And she was his editor. She helped write those speeches.

821
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: She's not only his rock in private, but she's also

822
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: his editor. She's also, you know, kind of his ear

823
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: in the ground. She is part of what we think

824
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: of as Winston Churchill, the leader. In September, the Germans

825
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: start bombing London. It's the Blitz and this went on

826
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: for eight months and five days. It was constant for

827
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: the first two months. Bombs were dropped by the Luftwaffe.

828
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: Almost every single day and night. Out of the first

829
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: fifty seven days, fifty six of them saw bomb droppings.

830
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: And the goal of the of all this it wasn't

831
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: just to destroy military targets. It was also about crushing

832
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: the English spirit. They wanted them to be so downtrodden

833
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: and tired that they would not be able to campaign

834
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: against them. Well. They wanted the English people to want

835
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: to get out of the war. They wanted to exhaust

836
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: them to the point they were that they would tell

837
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: their government pull out, we don't care. Stop. This is

838
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: terrible and honestly, if it worked for the Churchill's, that

839
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: really might have worked. But Clementine stepped it up for herself,

840
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: for her husband, and for England. She sent a letter

841
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: to Winston. He had been very brutish and demanding and

842
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: not really being sensitive to people's needs. He was very like,

843
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, get up, shake it off, Quitcher, bitchen. You

844
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: know we're gonna keep fighting like cold and uncaring in

845
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: a way, and she wrote him this letter that was

846
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: basically like, Hey, you're not reading the room right, You're

847
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: not reading the room. You've got to bring people with you.

848
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: You've got to make them love you, and you've got

849
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: to show them how to do it. You've got to

850
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: go with them, lift them up and move them forward.

851
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: And this changed his whole attitude and helped him rally

852
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: the support that he needed and the spirit that England

853
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: was looking for. This is the foundation of that keep

854
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: calm and carry on mentality that Churchill espoused so much.

855
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: And it can't be overstated. They were still recovering from

856
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: World War One and when World War Two started, so

857
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: it's like everyone's just sick of this ship. But before

858
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: it even began. Yeah, So Purnell, Clementine's biographer, said she

859
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: saw all Britain had was a collective spirit and that

860
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: needed to be fostered, nurtured and protected. And at first

861
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: London didn't have any mass shelters ready for this bombing,

862
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: and they had used their underground train stations as shelters

863
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: in World War One, but the government was not allowing

864
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: them to use them again. They were they said, we

865
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: don't want to disrupt commuter travel and we don't want

866
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: people going down there and refusing to leave. So at

867
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: first they locked the doors to the train stations uh

868
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: during the bombings, and after two weeks they realized they

869
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: couldn't do that anymore, and they had to open up

870
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: and let people down there, and oh, this is like

871
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: an everyday thing for everyone to go. And in mid

872
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: September a hundred and fifty thousand people slept underground every night.

873
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: And obviously these conditions were terrible, and Clementine goes to

874
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: the ministers and governments. She's like, hey, get some fire

875
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: exits in here. Hey, you better build some beds. I

876
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: want you to manufacture two million beds right now. We

877
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: gotta get them down there. I want people to be

878
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: able to sleep in beds next to their children, so

879
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: their children aren't terrified at the air raid sirens and

880
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: the bombings. And it's cold down there. Let's get some

881
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: heating involved. You know, she was handling it. She was like,

882
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: move people, go, go, go make this work. Not only that,

883
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: she was active as a firewatcher and she helped put

884
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: together many of the systems in place where women were

885
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: helping the war effort at home, which made all the difference.

886
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: There's a lot of history there too. And meanwhile, Winston's

887
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: out here leading the charge. He's putting his freaking foot

888
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: down when it comes to fighting the Nazis. The British

889
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: government kept being like, well, yes, a wedding good, but

890
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: if France Foles, We're going to take a bit of

891
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: a step back, Am I right? I mean we're going

892
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: to really re evaluate old this years and was like,

893
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: who the fuckers we're fighting? We're going to Did you

894
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: not hear it when I said keep calm and carry on,

895
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: I didn't mean keep calm and then sucking pull out

896
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: and run like a like a little fucking shite. I

897
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: meant we fighting these Nazis and we ain't stopping. I

898
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: don't want to be seen as a little bitch. Yeah,

899
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: he would go on air, he would read these speeches

900
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: that he had written and Clementine had edited, and he

901
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: gave him the whole resilient spirit that they needed to

902
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: get through this really difficult time. He's thriving like never

903
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: before because this is a really difficult time. But this

904
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: is kind of the perfect place for someone like Winston Churchill.

905
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: He claimed to be thrilled to be in charge in

906
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: wartime in British history. He just knew that was his

907
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: strong suit and that England needed someone like him at

908
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: this exact point, and he needed to do this at

909
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: this exact point. And their marriage was really strong right now,

910
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: they're doing really, really well. And the two of them

911
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: really helped rally that English spirit. And Clementine comes out

912
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: and she becomes the chairperson of the Red Cross Aid

913
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: to Russia Fund, because during World War Two, almost seventeen

914
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: million Russians died. It was fifteen percent of their entire population,

915
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: so Russia really got hit hard. And uh England had

916
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: a lot of sympathy for Russia, and Clementine was like,

917
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: we can help, So she called all of their wealthy friends.

918
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 1: She got a bunch of famous musicians and celebrities on word.

919
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: She got factory workers and schoolgirls to knit scarves and

920
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: gloves and hats, and the Red Cross Aide to Russia

921
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: Fund raised one million pounds between October and December of

922
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: one so in just a few months, and a total

923
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: of eight million pounds by the end of the war,

924
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: which today would be three hundred and fifty four million

925
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: pounds or four hundred eighty eight million dollars American almost

926
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: half a billion dollars in about four years. The night

927
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: before the D Day landings in June of Winston was

928
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: very upset and depressed. Churchill was nervous about a full

929
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: frontal assault in Normandy. He had seen the defeats at

930
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: Dunkirk and Anzio and Salerno, and he floated the idea

931
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: that hey, maybe we hit sicily, we go to what

932
00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: he called Europe's soft underbelly. M hmm. But Stalin and

933
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: Roosevelt were firm in attacking Normandy, and Churchill actually took

934
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: the high road here. He was like, well, it's better

935
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: for us all to be united, So if that's what

936
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: we're doing, we're doing it. So he was like, I'm okay,

937
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm on board with this, but he was very nervous

938
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: about it. He and Clementine had dinner alone the night beforehand,

939
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: and he told her, do you realize that by the

940
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: time you wake up in the morning, twenty thousand men

941
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: may have been killed the dinner table. Yeah. But she

942
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: comforted him. She reminded him of that united spirit that

943
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: they had together and that the country had, and that

944
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: it had kept them going this long, and she reminded

945
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: him that that would be what won the war in

946
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: the end. And sure enough, on June a hundred and

947
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: fifty six thousand American, British and Canadian forces had landed

948
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: on the five beaches along the coast of Normandy. By

949
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: late August, all of northern France was liberated from Nazi occupation,

950
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: and by the following May Nazi punks fuck off. They

951
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: were defeated. With the Japanese surrendering the following September, world

952
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: War two was finally over. And I mean, look, if

953
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: you want a World War two podcast with all the

954
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: battles and dates and strategies and all the significant details,

955
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: please allow me to direct you to www dot Google

956
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: dot com. Let me write that down. You are going

957
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: to find three trillion hours of content. Right. The point

958
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: here on Ridiculous Romance, as we said, is that nobody's

959
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: talking about how important Winston and Clementine's marriage was during

960
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: the war. Sonya Brunell's biography totally blew the lid off

961
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: of Clementine's involvement here, But that didn't even come out

962
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: until so we are very recently learning this information. In fact,

963
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: in an NPR interview about that book, she said, I

964
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: didn't even know anything about this woman until I found,

965
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, one letter that sort of sent her on

966
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: the journey. Uh and uh, and she suddenly realizes, holy shit,

967
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: this lady is why we beat the Nazis in a

968
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Uh, and that's really incredible. Yeah. Julia Kelly,

969
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: who is an author who's written about the extensive vital

970
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: role of women during the war, has a piece on

971
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Clementine and she says Clementine even had a room of

972
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: her own in Winston's war rooms this which was a

973
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: bunker in London that was the center of Britain's wartime strategy.

974
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: And she kicked his ass when he needed it. She

975
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: was one of the few people who would openly criticize

976
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: his ideas in private and tell him, hey, you're not

977
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: reading the room right, you know. She was one of

978
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: the only one of the few people who were telling

979
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: him things like that and made a huge difference obviously.

980
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: And then also she took this five week tour of

981
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: Moscow in early nineteen before the war was over. She's

982
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: invited to see how all their supplies were being put

983
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,439
Speaker 1: to good use. From all her fundraising that she'd done

984
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: with the Red Cross, relations between England and Russia were

985
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: a little strained, mainly because there had been this little

986
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: secret meeting between the Yanks and the Brits and the

987
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: Nazis to see if maybe a little piece separate from

988
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: Russia could be worked out unbelievable. Russia was super pissed

989
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: about that, obviously, because, like we said, seventeen million of

990
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: them are dead for this, for this efforts, like excuse me, here,

991
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: you have meeting and I'm not invited. What what the

992
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Right? Yeah, he's mad. So

993
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: guess who goes and smooths that whole thing over. It

994
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: ain't Winston, It's Clementine. She goes over there to tour

995
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: and Stalin sent a letter to Winston saying Clementine had

996
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: left a deep impression on him. She just charmed the

997
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: funk out of the Russians. They loved her. They said

998
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: it was a delight to see her. She was endearing.

999
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 1: She was helping the Soviet Union immensely in these difficult times.

1000
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: So they were just like all about Clementine. Yeah, and

1001
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: Churchill missed her. He said he would be very glad

1002
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: to see her come home. Um, probably because he was like, man,

1003
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm misreading rooms all over the place. I need to

1004
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: come back. He wrote to her. Expressed to stall In

1005
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: my cordial feelings and my resolve that a complete understanding

1006
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: between the English speaking world and Russia will be achieved

1007
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: and maintained for many years. Your Churchill is very Nixon.

1008
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: I know, right, I was trying to get the jewels,

1009
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: and you know you got the jewels. But many years

1010
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: maybe not quite right. But they did have a couple,

1011
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: They had some time. Yeah, I guess yes, between Russia

1012
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: and the English speaking world. What what do you think

1013
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: maybe three years things were okay there. I think the

1014
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: atomic bomb really made a an impression on Russia. Atomic bomb.

1015
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: It's really kind of you could say it really blew

1016
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: a hole in things. You could say it really you

1017
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 1: could say they really nuked their chances of having a good,

1018
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: good relationship. He oh, they were fishing for fishing vision

1019
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: for a problem. They were really um, well you get it,

1020
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: you get it, bomb jokesom Winston Churchill's chief of staff,

1021
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: General Ismay, said later that if not for Clementine, the

1022
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: history of Winston Churchill, and indeed of the world itself,

1023
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: would have been a very different story. Winston himself said

1024
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: of her, she made my life and any work I

1025
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: have done possible. And it's not just that, but he

1026
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: said that marrying this brilliant, kind, strong woman was his

1027
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: greatest achievement. He said, what could be more glorious than

1028
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: to be united with a being incapable of an ignoble

1029
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: thought that's nice. They really respected the hell out of

1030
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: her as she earned, oh absolutely. In fact, she was

1031
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: awarded the Order of Red Banner of Labor by the

1032
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: Soviet Union for her philanthropy, and in ninety six she

1033
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: was appointed the Dame Grand Cross of the Order of

1034
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: the British Empire, becoming Dame Clementine Churchill uh. In the

1035
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: years following the war, Churchill continued to lead the Conservative Party.

1036
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: He encouraged an increasingly strong allyship between England and the

1037
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: US to help fend off the Iron curtain of the

1038
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: Soviet Union. Churchill was Prime Minister again in the nineteen fifties.

1039
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: He was seventy six when he took office and already

1040
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: in poor health, and so after King George died and

1041
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: Elizabeth the Second took the crown, he stayed around for

1042
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: a few years, but in ninety five he retired after

1043
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: suffering a stroke. He was finally like, I guess I

1044
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: should go sit down for a minute, and Elizabeth awarded

1045
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: him the Order of the Garter, which is the most

1046
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: senior knighthood in the English system that you can get

1047
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: and she was like, find me the biggest medal we

1048
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: have wield it in on a carriage, probably a cake

1049
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: with his face on it. I don't want to see that.

1050
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: They were actually forget that put Clementine's face on it.

1051
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: Even your website says this cake is idiots. They had

1052
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: a cake with a quote from his website saying his

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Speaker 1: face is not that so rude? Total roast. His health

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01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: continued to decline. In ninety three, President Kennedy, acting under

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Speaker 1: the authorization of Congress, proclaimed him an honorary citizen of

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Speaker 1: the United States stopped by any time. Winston one of Us.

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Speaker 1: At the age of eighty eight, less than two years

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Speaker 1: before his death, he wrote to Clementine, my darling one,

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Speaker 1: this is only to give you my fondest love and

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Speaker 1: kisses A hundred times repeated. I am a pretty dull

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Speaker 1: and paltry scribbler, but my stick, as I write, carries

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Speaker 1: my heart along with it yours ever and always. W

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so sweet, yeah, Sir. Winston died on January if,

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, at the age of ninety. Following his death,

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Speaker 1: Clementine was created a life peer as Baroness Spencer church

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Speaker 1: Hill of Chodwell. A life peer means your title can't

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Speaker 1: be inherited. That's just for you. She took some political action,

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Speaker 1: but her growing deafness made it pretty hard for her

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Speaker 1: to be involved in Parliament, and she died in her

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Speaker 1: London home of a heart attack at ninety two years

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Speaker 1: old in nineteen seventy seven, twelve years after Winston's death. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if Churchill and Clementine hadn't overcome their joy of missing

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Speaker 1: out and gone to that party and sat next to

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Speaker 1: each other, Um, yeah, it's very likely that he would

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Speaker 1: not have become Prime minister. And if he had not

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Speaker 1: been Prime Minister, it's very possible that Britain would have

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Speaker 1: reached an agreement with Hitler redrawn the map of Europe

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Speaker 1: and we would be just again living in a very

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Speaker 1: different world, very different. I mean, it's insane to think

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Speaker 1: of that. Just like if those two chairs hadn't been

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Speaker 1: empty next to each other, you know, if they hadn't

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Speaker 1: both been in a kind of a grumpy mood, if

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Speaker 1: they had settled to marry someone else earlier in life,

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Speaker 1: or any just you know, step on a butterfly, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what they're talking about. You make one little

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Speaker 1: change and who knows what the repercussions could be historically,

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Speaker 1: And you know, would England have just conceded to the Nazis.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to say. But Winston was certainly one of

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Speaker 1: the heaviest pushers against Nazism in England at the time.

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Speaker 1: He really rallied the country to fight against the Nazis

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Speaker 1: in a way that I'm not sure another leader in

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Speaker 1: England at that time would have. Yeah, he was so pugnacious,

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Speaker 1: pugny um that he Uh, It's entirely possible there was

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Speaker 1: another politician saying the same thing, but maybe they weren't

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Speaker 1: willing to go as far as Winston was in saying

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Speaker 1: it over like really saying, no, I am going to

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Speaker 1: fight you about this um. So yeah, just thankful for

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Speaker 1: both these personalities meeting each other at the right time.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we didn't talk about the USA much,

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Speaker 1: but but Churchill and FDR had a strong relationship. So

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Speaker 1: Churchill himself, you know, as leader, helps to get America

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Speaker 1: involved in the war. But beyond that, Churchill and FDR

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01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: also butted heads a lot and there were many times

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Speaker 1: when that uh, that alliance was in danger and Clementine

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Speaker 1: and Eleanor Roosevelt had a very strong relationship, and the

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Speaker 1: two of them certainly went back to their husbands and said,

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Speaker 1: y'all need to clean it up, get it together, and

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Speaker 1: work it out, because you're both reading the rooms wrong, right.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking that, like, it's probably equally thankful that

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Speaker 1: Eleanor Roosevelt was the first lady at this time as well.

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Speaker 1: It takes two baby, because it's been said so. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just a really incredible story of some people who I

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01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: don't know circumstances, really led to a big change in

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Speaker 1: the world for the better, to whatever degree it was

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Speaker 1: just by them knowing each other and falling in love.

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Speaker 1: You know, love saved the day in this case quite literally.

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Speaker 1: And if you were invited to a party tonight, you're

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Speaker 1: not sure you want to go go to the party. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you might stop Nazism. What, you might prevent World War

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Speaker 1: three or at least win it, or at least win it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if only their meeting had prevented World War two, that

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Speaker 1: would have been even better. Clementine Churchill, what a boss.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad to learn about her and Winston super

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Speaker 1: cool in some ways, And of course I think we

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier he's super uncool in many ways. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're not here to define a person one way or

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Speaker 1: the other. We're just here to talk about Uh. They're

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Speaker 1: there's Sweet Sweet Love's Sweet Sweet Love which literally literally

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Speaker 1: changed the world in the course of history. Not every

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Speaker 1: marriage can say that. Nope, we're working on it. I know.

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Speaker 1: All right, one day we'll change history. And if you

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Speaker 1: have a suggestion for how we can change the world, uh,

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Speaker 1: please email us at Romance at ihart media dot com

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Speaker 1: right or you can find us on the social media platforms.

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Speaker 1: Romance r o A r I d I see romance.

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Speaker 1: You know how it's spells. Yeah and yeah, let us

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Speaker 1: know what you thought. Hopefully you enjoyed this episode. We

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Speaker 1: had a great time talking about it, so hopefully had

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Speaker 1: a great time hearing about it, and we will talk

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Speaker 1: to you on the next one. Can you see so long? Friends,

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