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Speaker 1: the humiliating experience of sitting through minutes of rolling credits

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Speaker 1: holding in my piss so that I can watch a

429
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: less than thirty second clip that basically spits in my face.

430
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: Maybe there's another universe where you don't have to piss,

431
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: Okay whatever. The post credit scene you know, I don't.

432
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: There's the second post second one is a trolling. It's

433
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Speaker 1: a direct troll. It was not a slap in the face.

434
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: It was not as bad as when they just rolled

435
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: the Doctor Strange trailer um the Multiverse of Madness trailer

436
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: from from Spider Man. Um, but it was still insulting. Um.

437
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: And so you know to that, I say, how dare you?

438
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I will ever wait for

439
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: another post credit scene again. There are some things that

440
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: not not like fully didn't work from me, but that

441
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: I think could have been better. Like, as I said,

442
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: I found Doctor Strange like a little boring at times.

443
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: I just anytime we were spending a lot of time

444
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Speaker 1: with him, I just kind of wanted to get back

445
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Speaker 1: to Wanda. I also thought America Chavez was good, um,

446
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: but I think I think she should have just been

447
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: an adult. I think they should have just aged her up.

448
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't understand why she needed to be a teenager.

449
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: I was telling you, bros, I really hate most things

450
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: that are like here's the story of an adult and

451
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: a kid, like you know what I mean, Like, I

452
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: just it's never entertainment. Felt like she had to be

453
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Speaker 1: a kid, so that Dr Strange felt like he had

454
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Speaker 1: to protect her. Yes, I mean that said, I think

455
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Speaker 1: it's really amazing that they're putting America Chavez in the multiverse,

456
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Speaker 1: into the cinematic multiverse. Um. And I have to say, like,

457
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, America Chavez is like a really dope character

458
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Speaker 1: of recent conception that was the first Latin LGBTQ character

459
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Speaker 1: to lead a series. The serious was unfortunately you can't

460
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Speaker 1: sold after one year. But it's written by this phenomenal,

461
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: amazing writer Gaby Rivera. Um and like, I just felt

462
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Speaker 1: like a comic series. Yes, a comic series. Sorry, sorry

463
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 1: paper comics imagine that. Um, But yeah, I felt like

464
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: it was not something that I was expecting. However, it

465
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Speaker 1: must be said that America Chavez as a name for

466
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Speaker 1: a character is cho ch hang levels of offensive. Like

467
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Speaker 1: it's just not a good name for a character, and

468
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: it was written by two white guys, So like, I

469
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: just we needed another name for her. But I do

470
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: love that she has um lesbian moms yes, who were

471
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Speaker 1: featured in the movie, although she had immediately killed that

472
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: talk about barrier games and the m C is like,

473
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, look representation and then let's have their

474
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: own child to murder them because she got stung by

475
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: a bee. Well, the other thing is was giving Britain.

476
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: It really was, but what they also didn't really address

477
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: America shop as his own queerness, even though she was

478
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Speaker 1: wearing a rainbow pin on her dentmitis because she has

479
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: lesbian moms or is she queer herself. She is queer herself, Yeah,

480
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: she's but they didn't I mean, or maybe she doesn't

481
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: know that yet in this universe. I don't know. It

482
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: was just literally never addressed. Um. But I I all

483
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: so want to say, unfortunately that I don't feel like so.

484
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: Chill Gomez, who plays America Shavi Is was amazing, like

485
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Speaker 1: and maybe it's because it was a movie, Like I

486
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: do think they're setting her up. I was watching a

487
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: TikTok last night that was saying that they're setting up

488
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Speaker 1: a Young Avengers eventual thing that America Javes is like

489
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Speaker 1: canonically part of as Our Wanda's Children. And I think

490
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: that's also probably why what um Kate Bishop, who is

491
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: the new Hawkeye from The Hawkeye Show, is part of

492
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: so um. I think these are like this is how

493
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: Marvel works, you know, like something is seated in a

494
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: movie that eventually becomes its own thing like four years later.

495
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: I was kind of wishing that they had cast um

496
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: Isabel Myer said instead, who played Dora the Explorer and

497
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Speaker 1: the the live action Remacha We I mean, wouldn't it

498
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Speaker 1: be great if Dora the Explorer just was in the

499
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: Marvel stud out of the Universe. They're literally like tentacle

500
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: demons like coming out of the multiverse. And then all

501
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's me Donna like and like her

502
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: powers the backpack or something backpack that I just take

503
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: a quick as side. Yeah, maybe she sings things in

504
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: it like hypnotizes people. Yes, okay, okay, I'm I'm writing this, um,

505
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: but I have to say also, um, just as quick

506
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Speaker 1: as I The Door the Explore movie, the live action

507
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: remake was amazing, like really underrated Doors performances phenomenal. I

508
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: lulled on my own in this theater all the way

509
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: through it. But I don't think it was. I think

510
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: it was. No, I don't think it was. It was

511
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, okay. I was like, um, have you

512
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Speaker 1: ever thought about like the slant rhyme of Dora the

513
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: Explorer or It's like you either need to say Dora

514
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: or the Explorer er, which most people I think say

515
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: the Ladder. But it's like, I mean, proud of you

516
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: for that slant rhyme, but it just doesn't sell it.

517
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: My favorite moment was when she goes to attack the

518
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: place where all the sorcerers are I don't know what

519
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: the name of it is. And then she's like trying

520
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: to get past their shields and there's a crack in it,

521
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: and then she like goes and like invades the mind

522
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Speaker 1: of one of the sorcerers and she just kind of

523
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: like appears behind him and like comes out to the

524
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Speaker 1: side and she goes runs. It's so good. It's so

525
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Speaker 1: and like moments like that to me pulled off a

526
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Speaker 1: villain that isn't flat, you know what I mean, A

527
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Speaker 1: villain that is like dynamic, that is like engaging and

528
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: fund Yeah, and like even though you know, I feel

529
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: like some of the kind of plot devices in this

530
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: movie are like kind of like you know, they're just

531
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: like fine, Like it doesn't it didn't really matter to

532
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: me because she was selling it and she was witchy,

533
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: which I loved, like I and they I think they

534
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: made a lot of they put a lot of emphasis

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Speaker 1: on her being a witch and like that being different

536
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Speaker 1: than the Sorcerer's It's just you know, because like the

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00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: the idea of a witch has all this like loaded

538
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: cultural context um and Wanda is very much by the

539
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: end of this movie, when she finds the temple to

540
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: her and like the demons and stuff. She is the

541
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Speaker 1: Scarlet Witch, and even I think more so than she

542
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: was at the end of one division when she's like

543
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: floating in the air and like transforms into her new outfit.

544
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was just the beginning, and truly early MCU,

545
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: they very much doubled down on the idea that anything

546
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: magic was just a science that we didn't understand yet,

547
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: Like that's always kind of what they said about th

548
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: Um and all this other stuff, but now it's it's like,

549
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: it's literally magic because magic is a huge part of

550
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: the comic books, and Wanda is one of the most

551
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: powerful magic users specifically in the Marvel Universe comic books

552
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: and movies, if not the most powerful, which is like,

553
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: I guess the question that we're is running through a

554
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: lot of the minds of people that are now going

555
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: to be affected by Wanda's like insurmountable power. Yes, because

556
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: we saw it in this movie, because she cleared everyone.

557
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: Every single person who came up against her was not

558
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: a match for her. The only and again obviously spoilers,

559
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: Wanda is the villain and the hero of this movie

560
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: because she was the only one who could defeat herself.

561
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: It must be said also that while Wanda is enacting

562
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: this horror and using the powers of the Dark Whole

563
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: to kill the superheroes of the Illuminati and destroy buildings

564
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: and like chase America Chavez, she is wearing old navy

565
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: jeans like jeans, babe, like like fully because like she's

566
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: in mom gear and yeah, like and we are like

567
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: a thin hoodie like it was. Yeah, And I love

568
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: when she's chasing them. You can see if she's all

569
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: injured and like and like, um, it's only like because

570
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: she's in her mom form, yes, and it's only through

571
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: sheer force of will that she is able and even

572
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: still like Christina was like her lowest fat nascune broke.

573
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: She came on this bitch mad as hell. That is

574
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: very much wan energy exactly want. Yeah, I loved Also,

575
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Speaker 1: I love her like black fingers from using the dark hold.

576
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Speaker 1: Is that what it is? That what it is because

577
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: those in one division. Do you think if I go

578
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: to pampered hands and like, can you make my fingertips black? Literally?

579
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean that is kind of a beauty trend slash,

580
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: Isn't it also like a spiritual thing? Like people, it's

581
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: probably appropriate we don't need to get into it. Yeah,

582
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: but in the movie, it's supposed to be a sign

583
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: that that the Dark Hold is corrupting Wanda. It also

584
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: kind of we also find out it's corrupted Doctor Strange

585
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: and different universes, but he uses it to kind of

586
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: help save the day. And it also leads to him

587
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: getting a third eye at the end of the movie. Yeah,

588
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: which is like the big kind of cliffhanger, I guess.

589
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: And then in the post credit scene, we got we

590
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: got her, We got Charlie's Throne. Charlie's Throne is in

591
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: the Marvel universe. I did a little digging on what

592
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: character she is, so Charlie's is playing clear who is

593
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: a um apprentice of In the comic book, she's one

594
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: of Doctor Strange's apprentices and later his wife. So Charlie's

595
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: is not coming in as like a cameo like she I.

596
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: She I think is going to be a big part

597
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: of the next phase of Marvel. It's astounding that she

598
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: is not already in the MC I know. I kind

599
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: of thought, like, has she been in one of these movies?

600
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: I thought for sure she was in a DC franchise

601
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: or something that I guess she doesn't. That's crazy to me. Um,

602
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: but she, I mean she. I'm ready for her. I'm

603
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: ready for her. I'm ready for Harry Styles. I would

604
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: like to say to get her a better wig. I

605
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: would like for the eventual movie. I thought she looked

606
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: actually really really looked good. I loved her purple cut crease.

607
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: I'm ready. I hope they bring back John Krasinski. Do

608
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: you think they're gonna do or do you think they

609
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: killed him permanently? Kind of feel like it was just

610
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: a gag. I think it was just for this movie. Well,

611
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: I was telling you as well, like the kind of

612
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: four members of the Illuminati Sons dr X are kind

613
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: of like marginal I forgot one. One of one of

614
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: the other members is Peggy Carter, who is in in

615
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: a couple of different universes. Became Captain America. Well she

616
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: became Captain Carter instead of Steve Rogers. And when they

617
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: all die, i'd um, I was just like I was

618
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: like Captain Uk Tuning Fork Guy Fantastic four member, like

619
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: these are all Marvel reject superheroes. The way they wanted

620
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: to kill them was in her old Navy. I don't

621
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: believe I don't believe in the glorification of murder, but

622
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: I do. What is the Gaga quote, Um, I I

623
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: believe in the glorification of old navy jeans of Fourth

624
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: of July discount T shirts and um um she said,

625
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: she said, I don't believe in the glorification of murder.

626
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: I do believe in the empowerment of women. That is

627
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: exactly how I felt watching Wanda kill person after person,

628
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: Like I think one of the early scenes when she

629
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: attacks the sorcerers, she like turned someone to dust. Yeah,

630
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: and it's great. And I think, obviously, and I think maybe,

631
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: um if she's like she obviously thinks that this is

632
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: all justified in the grand scheme of things. I also

633
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: think maybe if you are thinking about the multiverse and

634
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: like all these infinite universes, like these lives are kind

635
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: of meaningless because there's trillions of zillions of millions of

636
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: the bavilions of people. I would love to get into

637
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: the multiverse of it all. Because this movie was hot.

638
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: On the release of everything everywhere all at once, Jamie

639
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: Lee Curtis reminded us, yes, you weren't telling me that

640
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: I need to pull up the basic tl DR. Jamie

641
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Lee Curtis is dragging UM the Multiverse of madness, saying

642
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: that it's a flop and that everyone should go see

643
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: Everything Everywhere, All at Once instead, which is like these

644
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: movies have nothing really to do with each other outside

645
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: of being multiverse movies. All these sidelines are saying, Jamie

646
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: Lee Curtis starts feud with with Doctor Strange. Not so

647
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: she so, she said, Is it just me? Does it

648
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: seem strange that our tiny movie that could and did

649
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: and continues to do number one movie in America and

650
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: is true truly marvelous out marvels any Marvel movie they

651
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: put out there. And then she tagged, um, everything Everywhere,

652
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: all at once. Um, that's barely everything everywhere all at once.

653
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: UM has a deep beating heart and brilliant visual treats

654
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: as well as extraordinary performances and fantastic beastly fight scenes.

655
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: And it costs less than the entire Craft service budget

656
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: on Doctor Strange and or any other Marvel, which I'm

657
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: sure is true. There's no reason to put them against

658
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: each other tv H, but it is obvious. I mean,

659
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: no one's gonna say that Everything Everywhere, All at Once

660
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: is like not as good as like the Doctor Strange movie.

661
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: You know, I would say, like it's a better movie.

662
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: Yes it's a it's a fundamentally better movie. But there

663
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: it's it's apples and oranges. Apples and oranges, but any

664
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: different universes. But anyways, the reason I invoke everything everywhere

665
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: at once is because I kind of want to examine,

666
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: like the function of a multiverse when it like is

667
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: in these like cultural objects. Because they also just watched, um,

668
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: the first season of Russian Doll for the first time.

669
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: I had never watched it. I tried watching the multiple times.

670
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch it? I don't remember anything about it,

671
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: but basically that I remember the premise. But Russian Doll

672
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: is like, um, it's like um groundhog Day, but kind

673
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: of girl bossy, you know, like it's like I wake up,

674
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: I kind of live the same day over and over

675
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: again and die in in conspicuous ways. And she finds

676
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: her kind of a match es. Basically, she finds someone

677
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: who is going through the same thing, and they try

678
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: to figure out together why they're stuck in this kind

679
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: of groundhog Day scenario. But they do encounter a kind

680
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: of multiverse where in many different cells are going throughout

681
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: their days and dying in different ways, and they're trying

682
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: to together figure out why this is happening and what

683
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: the consequences of their actions are in each universe that

684
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: they kind of decided to do stuff in UM we're in.

685
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that when I like pull

686
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: these all together, it's like the multiverse in something like

687
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: I think the the thematic question of the multiverse in

688
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: Russian doll is kind of like how do you um

689
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: reconcile trauma? I guess trauma to to talk in a

690
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: Jamie the Curtis way um through like living through past

691
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: selves or trying to think about you know, future selves

692
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: or like other universes or whatever. It's kind of a yeah,

693
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: it's about like the reconciliation of trauma. And then with

694
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: maybe everything everywhere all at once, it's more about like happiness,

695
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: like fundamental happy. I think everywhere, everything everywhere, all at

696
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: once is about choices and how the choices we make

697
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: have all of these different implications on our life um

698
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: and can lead us down all these different paths, and

699
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: like it's very human to think, what if I had

700
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: made this choice, where would I be? UM? And I

701
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: guess I would say in Doctor Strange, like the multiverse,

702
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: I'd no, there's not. I think we can be generous

703
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: and find like a deeper thematic meaning, but like it's

704
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: not really there. It's a plot device. It was very

705
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: similar to everything everywhere all at once. Thematically, It's like if,

706
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: how if you could be happy in another universe, would you?

707
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: But I think with with Doctors, with the Multiverse of Madness,

708
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: it was kind of more about grief because he was

709
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: mourning the loss of his lover and Wanda's mourning the

710
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: loss of her children, and they're trying to figure out

711
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: if this bizarre universal like plot twist that they can

712
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: manipulate is something that can you know, heal that. Yeah,

713
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: they they're really just looking at the multiverse as a tool.

714
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 1: They're looking to escape their own lives into something else,

715
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: and they don't care about about the repercussions of that.

716
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: Because even early on in the movie, someone I forget who,

717
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Doctor Strange, maybe it's America. Shavas asked Wanda, well,

718
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: when you get to that other universe, what are you

719
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: going to do to the other Wanda, And she never

720
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: answers it, and like we do find out, like she

721
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: abandons that other Wanda in the weird like middle dimension,

722
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: the purple middle dimension. Um, she doesn't really care about

723
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: her other selves. And it's because really, I think, as

724
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: we learn at the end of the movie, like Wanda

725
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: like kind of hates herself and she thinks that having

726
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: all these external things, having her children will heal her

727
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: in some way. And then that's why like another version

728
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: of herself giving her that grace and that reassurance is

729
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: I think what ultimately like lets her let go of

730
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: all this pain and and see the pain that she

731
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: has caused and be like no more. And I think

732
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: that pain and the emotional stakes of the movie, I

733
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: think I kind of I am seeing now more and

734
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: more why people didn't like this movie, because if you haven't,

735
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: like one division to me is about grief like period,

736
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: Like the whole the whole arc of the show is

737
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: about her dealing with and coping with and learning how

738
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: to I guess Navigator circumnavigate like what grief feels like

739
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: and how the denial that comes with that. And this

740
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: is like being the final stage of that overcoming grief

741
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: feels a little flat because it's only one stage as

742
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: opposed to the entire um. The entire like trials and

743
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: tribulations she had throughout Westview. Yeah, well you just can't

744
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: fit that all in a movie. And like the movie really,

745
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, the movie is Doctor Strange and the Multiverse

746
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: of Madness. Wanda is not the star of it, even

747
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: though she is the star of it. And you know,

748
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: maybe Wanda will get her own movie eventually. Maybe in

749
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: the next version of whatever The Avengers is, Juanna will

750
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: be the fanos. I don't really know. It's interesting because

751
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, against spoiler alert, the movie ends with Wanda

752
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: seemingly dying. She destroys this temple and like it collapses.

753
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: Obviously didn't she didn't die. She's coming back in some way. Um.

754
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: I do still hold out hope that she will be

755
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: the link to Mutants because we know that that X

756
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: Men is coming into the m c U and Wanda

757
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: obviously is a huge part of X Men and like

758
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: mutant she is, Yeah, Wanda, because she's Wanda originated an

759
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: X Men. She's the daughter Wanda. Wanda is the daughter

760
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: of Magneto. She and she's the daughter of Magneta. Yeah.

761
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: She and Pietro, her twin brother, are both mutants and

762
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 1: there have been lots of theories about like because there's

763
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: a really iconic comic book series called House of m

764
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 1: in which Wanda alters reality by saying no more mutants. Um,

765
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: And so people like we're theorizing that maybe in Wan

766
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: Division she was going to create mutants or you know,

767
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: but obviously, like we're seeing in Wan Division that somewhere

768
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: in the Marvel multiverse mutants exist because because we have

769
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: professor X. Did you ever read Cheryl straight like advice columnist?

770
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: She wrote Dear Sugar. She also wrote, um sure that

771
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: movie that Reaese Witherspoon was in, Yes, while thank you Phoebe.

772
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: Um okay, So she used to be like one of

773
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: my favorite writers. And she has this essay where she

774
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: talks about a ghost ship life, which is essentially like,

775
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, as you go down the path of your life,

776
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: or rather the sea of your life, it splits ways

777
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: when you make a choice, and one of those ships

778
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: is a ghost ship that you maybe think about like

779
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: if I had gone to this college, if I had

780
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: had a baby, if I had decided to marry this

781
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: person or whatever. And um, I feel like that is

782
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: something that we all thematically deal with, um, Rose, what

783
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: is like your primordial ghost ship. Well, I hate to

784
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: be really obvious, but what if I had a transition?

785
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: Really that I think about it all the time. And

786
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't mean to get like deep and emotional on

787
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: this podcast where we're talking about a Marvel movie, but

788
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, um, transitioning for me, and I think for

789
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people is a choice that you make.

790
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: I absolutely could have lived the rest of my life

791
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: not as a woman without medically transitioning. Email. Yeah, And

792
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: it is the most active thing I have ever done

793
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: in my life. It was the most active choice I've

794
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: ever made. It's something that once I admitted to myself

795
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: that I was a woman. Um, because I think a

796
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: lot of different people have different experiences of transnis and gender,

797
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: and some people really do feel like they're like we're

798
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: born in the wrong body, blah blah blah all these

799
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: other things, and like, you know, I don't want to

800
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: go like too deep into my experience of gender, but

801
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: there was a moment in my life where I had

802
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: had this realization about myself and I knew that there

803
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: were two pasts in front of me, and one of

804
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: them is um, you know, following through on this and transitioning,

805
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: and one of them was not. And I do think

806
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: a lot about what my life would be life if

807
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't made that choice, and I think, I that's

808
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: kind of dangerous um and and it's honestly a choice

809
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: that I don't I truly don't think I ever could

810
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: have made, because I know myself enough to know that

811
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: once I had um admitted that to myself, I never

812
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: could have been happy in any other life. But it

813
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: is a fucking trip to think about, you know. I mean,

814
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: like it's I know, Wanda and the multiverse of gender

815
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: like would watch um, But I yeah, I feel like

816
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: there is definitely especially when it comes to gender stuff,

817
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to like how culturally we've

818
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: conflated like medical transition with like the experience of transnis,

819
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: which like are not like you know, intrinsically linked because

820
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's kind of a given that if

821
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: you were trans, you will transition um. And that's not

822
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: everyone's experience. Not everyone has the privilege to be able

823
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: to transition um. And I don't think you need to

824
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: medically transition to be trans. It was a choice that

825
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: I had to make, and it's like not always helpful

826
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: or like productive for me. To think about, like the

827
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: what if of if I hadn't and like I don't

828
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: want to live in that universe, but I don't know

829
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: if I was given the chance, would I at least

830
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: want to like peek at it and see what it

831
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: would be. That sounds really dangerous because like obviously life

832
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: is so much easier as a SIS person and not

833
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: that like in this like whatever if I have these superpowers,

834
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: if I like found that out, Like what if I

835
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: had the power to change it? I don't, I don't.

836
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know if that's something I

837
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: would even consider, Yeah, because it's like it's like torturous,

838
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: it's so dangerous. And that's why I like, even as

839
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: a thought exercise, this feels it feels really weird. Um,

840
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: But I do think it's it's like important for me

841
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: for me to say because I like, I know that

842
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: a lot of queer and trans people listen to this

843
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: podcast that like it is activating your identity like living

844
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: your truth blah blah blah, being on your journey whatever. Um.

845
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: You know, forming yourself out of clay in the way

846
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: that queer and trans people do is a choice you make, um,

847
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: and something that you have a lot of agency in

848
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: and if you are able to do that, like, that's

849
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: so fucking cool, um that we get to make ourselves.

850
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: And of course you're always going to think about the

851
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Speaker 1: what if, what if lots of things, um, and just

852
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: know that you're not alone in that. Yeah, I feel

853
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: like a lot of like what you're talking about is

854
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: like a big reason why it's like so difficult, whether

855
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: later in life or when you're not necessarily on a

856
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: kind of binary spectrum of transnus, like on the needle

857
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: of transnis between like boy and girl. Like we usually

858
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: think it's like either all boy or all girl, or

859
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: like directly in the middle, and like some people are like, actually,

860
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, in between those kind of two spots. And

861
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: like for me, when I think about like my transniss

862
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: or like where I am on the spectrum, I feel

863
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: like my ghost ship is like if I had had

864
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: access to trans stories at all in any form when

865
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: I was young, would that have changed who I am now?

866
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Because now I'm at a place where, like medically, transitioning

867
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: in any way sounds relate taxing and heartbreaking. And now

868
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: that we are lucky enough to have models of transnis

869
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: that don't necessitate medical transition. I feel like there's a

870
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: version of me that I can be. But like you know,

871
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: I was like in first grade, like writing in my

872
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: journal that like I'm a girl or whatever, and like

873
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have Yeah, exactly knows where we

874
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: would be because the thing is, I transition at the

875
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: point in my life. I did it because it was

876
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: the advent of transvisibility, and all of a sudden it was, Oh,

877
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: this is something I could actually do. There are mechanics

878
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: for it, and I am the same in that when

879
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: I was like one of the most validating parts of

880
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: my transition, and like coming out to my family was

881
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people in my family saying, oh, you

882
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: always told us that when you were a kid that

883
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: you were a girl. And it was like great to

884
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: feel like I wasn't like gaslighting myself in my own

885
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: mind so that I had had that experience, because of

886
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: course I have a lot of memories of that, but

887
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: to have the outside validation of it, um was really

888
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: important to my transition. And who knows if when I

889
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: was a kid and I had told them I'm a girl,

890
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: if they had understood what that means the way that

891
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: parents today do who knows who I would be, you know,

892
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean. And meanwhile, my my first grade bully, Charlie Crupp,

893
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,959
Speaker 1: which is a very good bully name, by the way,

894
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: I found my journal that said I am a girl

895
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: and like read it to my entire music class in

896
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: first grade. And then I think my my parents eventually

897
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: found the journal too, and we're like, what the funk is?

898
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: Like they may I just was, at a very early

899
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: age made to believe that like what I was thinking

900
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: about my gender, which like you know, was probably just

901
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: a latent understanding of like my gender fluidity, and like

902
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: who I am now was totally like pushed and pushed

903
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: and pushed under like all of this shame. And it's

904
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 1: like if that had never happened, you know, who would

905
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: I be now? I don't know, but I do think

906
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: just as you're saying, like to all the little virgins

907
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: out there who are thinking about this like it, don't

908
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: flatten your ideas of transness, and don't like overthink the

909
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: medicalization of transnis and don't like pressure yourself, you know,

910
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: to fit into a certain box or two mirror exactly

911
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: what you see on screen, like your journey is your own,

912
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: and like all you can do is you know, talk

913
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: to loved ones about it and keep journaling about it

914
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: and you know, but don't live a life of regret.

915
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: And like, as I said, once I the the night

916
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: and I can pinpointed to a specific night, like the

917
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: night that I admitted to myself that I was a woman. Um,

918
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: and like knew that there was no going back from that,

919
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: Like I could have gone back from that, and I

920
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: think I would have lived a life of regret. And

921
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: I I think, like in the what if of the

922
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: multiverse of it all, like I don't think that's a

923
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: path that anyone wants to be on of like having

924
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: lived a life looking back and saying what if I

925
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: hadn't like lied to myself or like whatever, you know,

926
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: I I don't think, like it doesn't have to look

927
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: the same for anyone. But um, if you're thinking about

928
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: it enough, it's worth pursuing. Like I've been thinking about

929
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: my like be being trans like every single day for

930
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: the last two years. And like if you feel like,

931
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, you could push a button and like you know,

932
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: feminize your face or like you know whatever, like do

933
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: all the things that you need to do, right, Like

934
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 1: if I was Wanda and I could and I could

935
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: go to it, and I could go to a different

936
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: universe where like I started HRT when I was like

937
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 1: four years old. How do you that that other person

938
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: is like, you know, we are we are burying you,

939
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: We are burying you under that bunker with Professor X

940
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: and snapping your neck my hairline, snatched my eyes. Yeah. Wow,

941
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: how did this discussion about like the popcorn movie of

942
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: the summer turn into like a very like let me

943
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: tell you it was of mysid, It was of my design, babe.

944
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: I knew exactly what I was doing. Anyways. My ghost

945
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: ship was not chasing my ex boyfriend to a shitty

946
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: state school, UM, which I wish. I'm glad to wish. No,

947
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: I did do it, and I wisht that is my

948
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:14,880
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