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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this brand new project podcast division

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Speaker 1: of Fish on First, called The Baseball Buffs.

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Speaker 2: You can see Ellie de la Cruz kind of here, Louis.

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Speaker 2: You have to buff.

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Speaker 1: You're the buffest one here, all right, you have to

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Speaker 1: you have to flex, you have to flex. Yeah, But

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Speaker 1: for here on Baseball Buffs, we are still this is

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Speaker 1: still Fish on First, Everything is still there, just here.

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Speaker 1: We'll be doing almost a weekly podcasts, some tweets, TikTok's,

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Speaker 1: real interviews and content, so much and more. But we

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Speaker 1: just wanted to do this to talk about the league

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Speaker 1: and give some more thoughts, not just smallman's related, but

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Speaker 1: what's happening across the league and more Baseball Buffs. I

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Speaker 1: believe for all of us, perfect name, all of us

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Speaker 1: are in this perfect you can't wait to do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm Daniel.

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Speaker 1: This is Kevin Grant, and below me if the buffest

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Speaker 1: one of them all. He is actually the arms on

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Speaker 1: our logo. Lewis Ada Weiss Fellas. How do you feel

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Speaker 1: about this brand new project.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited. There's no other way to say it. I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: We Daniel, you and I spoke about this a while ago.

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Speaker 3: Lewis and Grant. We're really excited about the idea and

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Speaker 3: we kind of now is when we're kind of making

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Speaker 3: everything happen. I'm excited. Should be a fun podcast, really

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Speaker 3: laid back, just talk baseball. And obviously with the trade deadline,

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Speaker 3: we started this.

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Speaker 2: At the perfect time. Ooh yeah, ye can't wait.

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Speaker 4: It's fun to talk about the rest of the league.

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Speaker 4: I mean, as much as we love the Marlins, and

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Speaker 4: we cover the Marlins extensively, but inny years where the

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Speaker 4: Marlins aren't good, we tend to pay attention to other

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Speaker 4: stuff in the league. Two and first and foremost, we're

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Speaker 4: all baseball fans, and we pay attention to all thirty

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Speaker 4: teams in the league. I think all of us here

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Speaker 4: kind of have a second team that we pull for

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Speaker 4: to on the side, love the postseason trade deadline. We've

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Speaker 4: been ingrained in it, so it's a good opportunity and

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Speaker 4: a good platform to talk about other teams as well,

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Speaker 4: I would say. And because of the access we have

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Speaker 4: with incredentialed media members, you can talk to other teams,

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Speaker 4: especially you three being in Miami, seeing all the other

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Speaker 4: teams that come down to Miami. Talk to those guys.

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Speaker 4: That's really what's gonna revamp our TikTok presence and fish

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Speaker 4: on first time come more and more of a multimedia platform.

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Speaker 4: And I think this is going to be a huge

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Speaker 4: step up the ladder to do that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm more excited than Grant at a pig

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Speaker 5: pig race. Like It's it's gonna be pretty fun. What guys,

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Speaker 5: I mean realistically, we all talk about the Marlins, but

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Speaker 5: I mean maybe me, I'm probably more gilly than anybody else.

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Speaker 5: I have opinions or just or takes on other teams

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Speaker 5: and other players outside of the you know, the men

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Speaker 5: that occupy the Marlins organization that you know, we don't

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Speaker 5: really have the platform beyond you know, set episodes of

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Speaker 5: certain shows to really talk about. So it's it's definitely

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Speaker 5: an avenue that's going to allow. It's a democratization of like,

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Speaker 5: you know, us being able to talk about these things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, this is gonna be an open conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be like our other podcast or streams

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Speaker 1: where I usually ask everyone, you know, your thoughts, and

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Speaker 1: would have on the text. I believe it's gonna be great,

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Speaker 1: and what way to start then just talking about just

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Speaker 1: been crazy, guys, just talk to us a little bit

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Speaker 1: on this year, like sayo, soho, Tani claying, curse off

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Speaker 1: this man right behind me, reinvigorating Cincinnati, where Grant is from?

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Speaker 1: What thoughts on this season? What you guys think because

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Speaker 1: this has been wild. I think it's been a really

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Speaker 1: great season so far, especially coming off man I forgot

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Speaker 2: What the strike? Coming off the strike and everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been fun. There's another way to put it. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: show Hail Tani maybe maybe he passes for that for

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Speaker 3: you can't you know, not say that. It's it's been

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Speaker 3: a very very fun season. The Baltimore Orioles are one

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Speaker 3: it's been a very interesting season. I think we could

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Speaker 3: obviously Arizona the Diamondbacks they had the division leag for

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Speaker 4: It's very I think what's really making this year a

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Speaker 4: lot more fun, it's just the unexpected this. I mean,

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Speaker 4: They're empty the clip basically again, all these different assets.

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Speaker 4: The Mets payrolls about half a billion dollars and the

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Speaker 4: back of first. I mean, you just have so many

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Speaker 4: Ale Central is a washed Looking at the AL West, Texas,

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Speaker 4: kind of middling. I mean, they were kind of a

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Speaker 4: Even the team we cover, the Marlins, are I don't

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Speaker 4: think we all would have expected this. They're in a

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest surprise of them all was just

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Speaker 4: then NL West. Every team is good for the most

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of just fun teams, and I kind

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Speaker 4: of love seeing the other teams that have these high

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Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 5: A's are a glorified Triple A team, And then you know,

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Speaker 5: you talk about the Yankees like yeah, like honestly, like

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Speaker 5: I didn't really have I didn't know what my expectations

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Speaker 5: Watching a glorified old timers game every time they played,

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Speaker 5: But like you can't really say that they're a bad

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Speaker 5: future Hall of famers, And then some of the younger

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Speaker 5: Flaherty has been widely and consistent. Montgomery's been the best

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Speaker 5: I can't say that the division helps them, but the

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Speaker 5: potter's not playing well and they're pitching not being a

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Speaker 5: The Giants are just reverting to their analytically savvy ways

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Speaker 5: Hanniger is never gonna be healthy. He's like the tiny

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I don't even offend any Lewis Charles Dickens

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Speaker 5: And when he does, he's an excellent player, but you know,

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Speaker 5: he's why he's never healthy. I mean, Miguel Cabrera is

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Speaker 5: for a while. There's a lot of stories, obviously. I

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Speaker 5: think I'm not even gonna mention Johan Tony because we

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Speaker 5: know what he's doing, Like it's ridiculous. It's I mean,

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Speaker 5: he's Kyle Tucker. He's like Kyle cler He's like nineteen

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Speaker 4: It's do you know that twenty eleven, justin Berland, there

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he pitched two hundred and fifty innings and I

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Speaker 5: think he allowed something like two hundred and forty hits.

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Speaker 4: This guy played for the expos Jesus when he did it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Bartolo Cologne, Oh, Bartolo Nope?

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Speaker 5: Oh, Ryan Dempster, No, No, Ryan Dempster was a Marlin

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Speaker 5: you somewhat for that because it's a premium defensive position.

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Speaker 5: That he stayed in the big leagues. I think it

434
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Speaker 5: was for like parts of like sixteen years, and he

435
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,959
Speaker 5: he's like but he's and he's almost like a fifty

436
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,680
Speaker 5: win player, and forty of those wins are by way

437
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,840
Speaker 5: of defense. So like, he was such an elite defender

438
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,199
Speaker 5: that he made up for the anemic offense that he produced.

439
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 5: Concemptsion to me, obviously, people remember him fondly because he

440
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 5: was on a team that won three pennance in two

441
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 5: World Series, but he was the he was the like

442
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 5: weakest offensive part of that bunch. Like obviously, like when

443
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 5: you have Mark, the best maybe the best second baseman

444
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 5: not named rogers Horns ever, and then you have Rose

445
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 5: and you have Griffy Senior and George Foster and Ben

446
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 5: shouldn't you know, Orlando pay to like Tony Perez the Cardinals.

447
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but you get the point, Like, like he's

448
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 5: obviously overshadowed, but their overall winning just kind of blinds

449
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 5: you to the the.

450
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Speaker 4: He played a big part on a great team and

451
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Speaker 4: one of the CINCINNI remembers fondly. I mean, You've got

452
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Speaker 4: so many great teams have come through Cincinnati, the Big

453
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Speaker 4: Red Machine, you put Bengals, Reds, all those teams together,

454
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Speaker 4: like that was that was the best stretch sports ever

455
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 4: and he meant a lot and that And again, I'm

456
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Speaker 4: not trying to say whether Concept should be in the

457
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Speaker 4: Hall or not for his numbers or anything like that.

458
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 4: Like again, he's probably all very good guy. My point is,

459
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 4: I feel like if you retire a guy's number, it

460
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 4: shows what they did in that city at that time,

461
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 4: what they meant to the fans, the overall contribution they

462
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 4: brought that team over a given period of time. And

463
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 4: Concept was in Cincinnati forever. I mean I think he

464
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 4: retired in what like eighty seven something like that. I

465
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Speaker 4: mean somewhere in there. He was in Cincinnati for a

466
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Speaker 4: long time and like you said, was one of the

467
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Speaker 4: weaker leagues of those big red teams, but he still

468
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 4: played a key part in those championship teams, and he

469
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Speaker 4: did enough to get his number retired, and that's definitely

470
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Speaker 4: gonna be the greatest honor of his career. So I

471
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Speaker 4: feel like that should hold more weight to an individual

472
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Speaker 4: player in that regard rather than what some beat writers

473
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Speaker 4: think about you and you Delgatto.

474
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Speaker 5: And del Gatto was an amazing hitter for the Blue Jays,

475
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 5: probably the most consistently great hitter that that franchise has

476
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Speaker 5: ever had, and he didn't even get more than two

477
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Speaker 5: percent of his first Hall of Fame, but he got

478
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Speaker 5: booted off, and like you could, you can make the

479
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 5: argument that he kind of suffered the Fred McGriff disease,

480
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Speaker 5: where like his numbers, you know, like Fred McGriff had

481
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Speaker 5: four in er ninety three home runs, think Delgatto hit

482
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Speaker 5: like four to seventy three if you mean take away

483
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Speaker 5: the steroid era and what Barry Bonds and co kind

484
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Speaker 5: of just did for like what the league average was considered,

485
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Speaker 5: because the league average is really just an amalgam of everything,

486
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Speaker 5: and a league average hitter is just somebody who fits

487
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 5: the composite amalgam of everything mean score ops plus one

488
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 5: hundred kind of thing. But if you look at like

489
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 5: guys like Dovatto suffered and they could, they have very

490
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Speaker 5: strong Hall of Fame cases, but they're but their value,

491
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Speaker 5: if you assess it by winds of overplacement, is deterred

492
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Speaker 5: by the fact that they played in eras that obviously,

493
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Speaker 5: like you had to do more to really accrue a

494
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Speaker 5: lot of substantial value. But no, I agree with you,

495
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Speaker 5: his numbers retired or the Bluets don't retire numbers, but

496
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Speaker 5: you're in the ring of honor. I'm sure I don't

497
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Speaker 5: think anybody wears twenty five in Toronto.

498
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Speaker 4: So yeah, they honor written rule not where that person's number,

499
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Speaker 4: just like I was sixteen in Miami, and I guess

500
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Speaker 4: people are worn twenty seven in Miami. That's a good

501
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Speaker 4: debate though for I guess another marlds like maybe maybe

502
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Speaker 4: off season podcast, do you retire twenty seven or like that.

503
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Speaker 4: But that's a whole other rabbit hole we can go down.

504
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Speaker 3: I want to talk before we get into the deadline.

505
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Speaker 3: I want to talk about the Al East because that's

506
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Speaker 3: been and I guess this is gonna have to kind

507
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Speaker 3: of go into the deadline. That division is whack. The

508
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: Yankees are in last place, and everyone is over five hundred.

509
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Speaker 3: I mean when you look it, I believe they're all

510
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Speaker 3: over fun.

511
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, the Orioles just beat the Rays and ten innings?

512
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 4: Did they they're playing? Actually don't know that.

513
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, every team is over. They don't have a chance

514
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Speaker 3: to get into the wild card. And I do want

515
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Speaker 3: to stuss I want to quickly go into the Rays.

516
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 3: That team has been fun. Well, we talk about fun

517
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Speaker 3: teams that are doing it with low payrolls. The Rays

518
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: are the immediate first team you got to think of.

519
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Speaker 3: And I put out a tweet the other day, and

520
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Speaker 3: I know Lewis saw because he liked it that if

521
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Speaker 3: maybe Shoheo Tani wasn't having the season he was having

522
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Speaker 3: or he was, maybe the NL Yanda should be the

523
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Speaker 3: al MVP by far, I think yeah.

524
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Speaker 2: I mean, but you.

525
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Speaker 5: Could copy and paste that rhetoric about the Rays pretty

526
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Speaker 5: much every year since about two thousand and eight minus

527
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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, about how they kind of work within the

528
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Speaker 5: compines with their payroll and they're just so great because

529
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Speaker 5: they are. Although I will say that they are a

530
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Speaker 5: lot more fragile late do you I mean, do you

531
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Speaker 5: remember when the season started and they won their first

532
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Speaker 5: eleven games, and we like, this team's never.

533
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Speaker 4: Going streak of the year.

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah, then they started like eleven and twelve.

535
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Speaker 4: Thirteen now because he has one. Twelve I think was

536
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Speaker 4: the longest one streak of the year.

537
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 2: Never.

538
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 5: Everybody was crowning, like a lot of people were one maritters,

539
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Speaker 5: like the nineteen oh six Cubs, like after two weeks

540
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 5: because and you know, obviously Jeffery Springs was healthy and

541
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 5: they had a lot more things going. Everybody was contributing

542
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 5: and everybody and for the most part, most of those

543
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 5: guys still are contributing. I mean, like they they took

544
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Speaker 5: Jake Deekman and brought him back to the dead of

545
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Speaker 5: all people, Like the guy had been nothing for like

546
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 5: two years and now he's pitching to like a sub

547
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Speaker 5: free ra last I checked with them, So yeah, they're

548
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 5: they're they're just very I mean, they're savvy, but there

549
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 5: they've been exposed recently. I mean, obviously Springs had Tommy

550
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 5: John Ris Musen. I feel like it's hurt all the time.

551
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 5: He was great before he got hurt. He got hurt

552
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Speaker 5: after that game against the Yankees where I think he

553
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 5: threw something like seven or eight crazings. He was and

554
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Speaker 5: he's been tremendous ever since the start of like twenty

555
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 5: twenty one. But then you have Glassnew who's back, but

556
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 5: he's fragile, TODJ. Bradley struggled. Like they're a good team,

557
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 5: but they're not without their flaws obviously, and you know what,

558
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 5: like they can go out and make a trade for Otani,

559
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 5: I mean I think they make.

560
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Speaker 4: It would be a true rental though money for the

561
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Speaker 4: last decade and a half, just yeah, we've been being

562
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 4: that cheap for that signing their.

563
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 5: Largest ever, right, But Stu Certinberg, their owner, had the

564
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 5: best offer in place for Freddie Freeman. Instead, he prioritized

565
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 5: going to the Dodgers because he's from Orange County, and

566
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 5: you know that worked out when the Braves didn't come

567
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 5: calling after the medals and trade and using tension. But yeah,

568
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 5: it's just the Rays are good. I think that they're

569
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Speaker 5: not without their weaknesses and like, and I hate like

570
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Speaker 5: and I can't and I hate like, you know, like listen,

571
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Speaker 5: like if the Rais never won a World Series, and

572
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 5: that's gonna be like the ras are overrated. They never

573
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Speaker 5: won a World Series you got. I don't know where

574
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 5: you guys on the ideological like, I don't know where

575
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 5: you guys on the ideological perspective of like, do you

576
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 5: have to win a World Series to be considered a

577
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 5: great team? And my answer is fuck no, I absolutely

578
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 5: don't think you need to, because it takes a lot

579
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 5: to get to the dance. It's a it's a crapshoot.

580
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 5: At that point. You have to win eleven games, and

581
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 5: you have to not lose three or four in a

582
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 5: row or in a in a series. But to consistently

583
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 5: do it when you're working with like hesn't sums of

584
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 5: funds and with an owner that doesn't want to spend

585
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 5: in a stadium that's seldom full, which is ridiculous because

586
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 5: the team is so wildly entertaining. I think that's more

587
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 5: impressive than winning one World Series and then going on

588
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 5: a Royals like run of horrendous play in my opinion,

589
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 5: to consistently be in it, maybe you're honey dicking your

590
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 5: fans a lot by like flirting with the idea of

591
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 5: getting to the playoffs and then you have a potential

592
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 5: World Series. But listen, if you're consistently a competitive team,

593
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 5: You're gonna be fun to watch every year, even if

594
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 5: you don't win a World Series in like a twenty

595
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 5: year stretch. And sure that'll get annoying after a while.

596
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 5: I mean, look the Yankees post two thousand and three

597
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 5: Division Series out, Division Series out, and then you go

598
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: in two thousand and nine after like six years of

599
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 5: kind of just straddling that line. But I don't know,

600
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 5: like there's something to be said about consistently winning, especially

601
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 5: if you're doing it in the confines of a budget

602
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 5: that they are that is stupid impressive. Even if they

603
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 5: don't win the World Series this year, I don't think

604
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 5: that's going to change the reputation of the Rays. I

605
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 5: think they're the most savvy team in that division. The

606
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 5: Orioles are frugal, and there's things that we've seen that

607
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 5: they haven't done yet. I don't think they've done the

608
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 5: best of jobs of develop and pitching as Rays and Rodriguez,

609
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 5: like as touted as he was and as ready as

610
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 5: he was, maybe last year got hurt and he's been

611
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 5: terrible this year. So it's just like like the Rays,

612
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 5: it seems like they can fix you up as nice.

613
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 5: They can polish a third player as best as any

614
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 5: team in baseball.

615
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: The Dodgers.

616
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: Ye Luke Raley for example. I mean, this guy didn't

617
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: have an op ops worc plus over one hundred this year.

618
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: He has a one to fifty six WRC plus and

619
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: he's there starting DH I mean he's in the lineup

620
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: every day almost this this guy's a stud. There's I mean,

621
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: this guy's fifteen homers. He's career hind homers besides twenty

622
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: eighteen when he was with the Dodgers in Double A,

623
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: but I mean major league career hind homers.

624
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: This guy.

625
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: The only issue is this thirty percent strikeout rate. But

626
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: he's producing, he's putting the ball in play, and he's

627
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: getting on base. He's doing everything he has to do.

628
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: And Tampa just I mean they find shit. They literally

629
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: find shit and turn it into greatness. I mean that's

630
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: how you kind of put it. I think that's the

631
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: best way to put it. With the race not to

632
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: take over your hosting, Daniel, but I think this is

633
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: where we could start with the trade dead line. If

634
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: we're gonna go division by division, we can start with

635
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: the Ali.

636
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, we'll go division by division kind of

637
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: maybe not every team, just like people that we'll go

638
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: more into buyers.

639
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: I think people would like to hear teams are gonna

640
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: buy and what they expect. We can probably leave the

641
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: N East for later as we do them.

642
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: As you know, conversation personally would be who's a because

643
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: this is absolutely seller's market, and like, I mean, put

644
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: this new playoff format and with a successful lot of

645
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 4: teams right now, you got so many different teams somewhere

646
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 4: between five games over five hundred and like ten games

647
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 4: over five we can go out half the league sits

648
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: right there. So I think trying to figure out who's

649
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Speaker 4: the seller for these trade deadline series we've done on

650
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Speaker 4: fish on First James, Yeah, like we've been trying to

651
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Speaker 4: figure out who's going to be a seller for so

652
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: long and it's still so tough and we may not

653
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Speaker 4: know until next week.

654
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Speaker 1: Want to start off, let's start off al central, who's

655
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: the seller?

656
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: Who's a seller?

657
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 5: Who's I mean realistically.

658
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: Everyone who's not like Guardians or Twins.

659
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 5: I could see the race. I mean I could see

660
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 5: a team like the Rays to circle back to then

661
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 5: you know, asking something for a Brady Singer who last

662
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 5: year he overperformed a little bit, but he was still good.

663
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 5: This year, he's underperforming is fit by a full run

664
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 5: and a half just about. Like I could see the

665
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 5: Rays seeing something in that and doing okay, like come

666
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 5: over here, come here, Brady, and then they fix him

667
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 5: and then they can flip him for assets that just

668
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 5: they kind of just cycle through guys like that. I mean,

669
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: the white Socks are gonna trade. It's obvious they. I mean,

670
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 5: I I posted a tweet today it was flirting with

671
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 5: the idea of Michael Kopek, who I like, for a

672
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 5: lot of teams that want starting pitching, I think maybe

673
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 5: if he continues pitching the way he has since the

674
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 5: start of May, where he's pitching at about a three

675
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 5: twenty five ra he's striking out ten batters from nine,

676
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 5: he walks everybody. I mean, like I think if the

677
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 5: Marlins per Se were to acquire him, I think you

678
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 5: have too Edward Cabreras in your rotation at that point

679
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 5: where you're not gonna allow a lot of hits, but

680
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 5: you're also gonna walk everybody. I mean in the ballpark,

681
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 5: Like like that's just forty one walks and it's like

682
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: sixty six and two thirds innings pitch, Like that's pro

683
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 5: rate that over one hundred and eighty pitch inning pitch season,

684
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 5: and like you're leading the league in walks every year.

685
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: Easy.

686
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 5: I don't know what Cleveland's gonna do. I mean, like

687
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 5: Cleveland is like they're just that division is so bad.

688
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 5: I mean, like it's so bad at the point that

689
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 5: if the if the Guardians lose the next three games

690
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 5: and the Tigers theoretically win the next three games, they're

691
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 5: gonna be tied in that division. So like it doesn't

692
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 5: make any sense to me. The Twins are a good team,

693
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 5: and yet Pa Lopez has kind of struggled recently. He was, okay,

694
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 5: today you have like two runs in five or six innings,

695
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 5: hasn't hit, Like that's just such a bad division. I

696
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 5: feel like like you made me dinner, and like all

697
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 5: I'm looking at is just like Campbell's soup and like

698
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 5: microwave carrots, Like it just looks like, no, what do

699
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 5: you what do you guys? Yeah?

700
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 4: I mean I kind of threw those last three teams

701
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 4: into the category of, oh, they're gonna sell. I don't

702
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: realize the Troy has kind of been on a heater recently,

703
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 4: like they may not know what to do over like

704
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 4: next week. I've seen so many teams.

705
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 5: Want in the resin I'll tell you what they.

706
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: Like.

707
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: Teams wants.

708
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what they should do. They should do

709
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 5: what the Rays have done in certain years and have

710
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 5: measured selloffs. And what I mean by that is we've

711
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: seen this too in recent years. Teams that are currently

712
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 5: competing will trade current assets for assets that they may

713
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 5: have more control of. You know, trade a need for

714
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 5: a need kind of thing. We see this all the time.

715
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 5: Teams that trade, like Mike Rizzo of the longtime GM

716
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 5: for the Nationals has always traded with teams like the

717
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 5: A's you know, the Geo Gonzales trade one example, and

718
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: he's always said, you know, when I get on the

719
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: phone with gms, my emphasis is on giving them something

720
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 5: that works for the team that I'm trading with, and ie,

721
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: I also want something in return too. That's why you

722
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 5: know I'm having this conversation in the first place. I

723
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 5: could see a team like Detroit doing that. Maybe not

724
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 5: maybe if they drink the truth serum and understand that, like,

725
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: all right, like this division's bad, but are we really

726
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 5: going to sustain ourselves like we have an inconsistency at

727
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 5: DH right now. Like Carpenter's a pretty nice young hitter,

728
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 5: but he's at his flos. Cabrera's gonna retire, Like yeah,

729
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 5: do you want to make the push for Miggy, But

730
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 5: like their whole picking staff isn't healthy. Casey Mines is

731
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 5: still working its way back from Tommy John. I mean,

732
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 5: Turnbull's good scoop.

733
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 4: Ballpathetically, they make the postseason, they win the AL Central.

734
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: They aren't getting out of the wildcard round, are they?

735
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it's a three games. They're not

736
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: about to go win three games or two games and

737
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 4: three stranger.

738
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 5: Things have happened. But you know, I'm I would obviously

739
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 5: air on the side of no, because they're I don't

740
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 5: think they're a playoff team, but I do also think

741
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 5: that they can make moves that may not directly benefit

742
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 5: them this year, but may set them up for a

743
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 5: possible playoff run.

744
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: Four let me go to the next division. So I wait, wait,

745
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: really quickly.

746
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about the choice. If they

747
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: were right now to make the wild card, the third

748
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 3: wild card, they would be facing the Texas Rangers, who

749
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: I will say right now.

750
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 4: They gonna get the wild card though, because there's John

751
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 4: Gray hurt yesterday.

752
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: John John Gray got hurt yesterday. He had to leave

753
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 5: his start a little early with some injury. I think

754
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 5: they're going to be the team that goes out and

755
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 5: acquires a Lucas Giolito at the deadline.

756
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: I really yeah, because I yeah, I think replaced the

757
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: Gram for like the rest of the of the season.

758
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, and maybe maybe they get a Copek and

759
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 5: a guy that has more control because de gram is

760
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: gonna be out next year too. I mean, the pitching

761
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 5: market is going to be flooded. Like I hate saying it,

762
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 5: but I know they're gonna flirt with the idea of

763
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: Clayton Kersha on the off season because he's from Dallas.

764
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 5: I would hate to see that happen, just because I'd

765
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 5: love to see him stay a Dodger for the entirety

766
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 5: of his career.

767
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: My god.

768
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 5: Like, I honestly like if they were to go out

769
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 5: and trade for Otani, although I don't know what Ardie

770
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 5: moreno how he feels about trading within his division that

771
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 5: we've seen it before. Gentry, I think played for both

772
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 5: the Rangers and the A's.

773
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 4: Grid.

774
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 5: But but if you if Otani went to the Rangers,

775
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 5: they're the World Series favorite in the American League. For me,

776
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 5: I don't really think there's any question, and they don't

777
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: have a true DH. And then to throw that ace

778
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 5: into your your rotation, I mean, you know, with a

779
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 5: better Matt Manning or are better Day Dunning and hopefully

780
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 5: a healthy John Gray who's been better with them Jesus

781
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: Christ like that, that would be scary.

782
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys see me laughing at Day Dunning. It's

783
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: a long story, Yeah, very long story. But I'm a

784
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 4: big day dutted guy. He Kevin A Day will have

785
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 4: some history.

786
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: With that guy. Everyone wanted him.

787
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 4: But but you bring up a good point though with

788
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 4: the tany. I mean, not only do you get an

789
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 4: excellent DH, you get you get it, you get an

790
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: ACE and that as well, which I mean that's obvious

791
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 4: and you'd have to give up so much for it,

792
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: But that also kind of raised the question in my brain.

793
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: It's always cheering, how many teams right now could you

794
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 4: have shoo Tani too and realistically say this team would

795
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 4: become a World Series contenter, World Series contender instantly?

796
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 5: How many teams in the off the top of my head,

797
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 5: maybe like four, but like and those four, yeah, the

798
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 5: World Series contender, the Rays, Rangers, Baltimore, Baltimore.

799
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: A lot of these teams are already World Series. I

800
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 4: mean I'm saying, like, you've got your World Series.

801
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 5: The other one, that next tier, not the Brave. The

802
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 5: other one was Braves. But I already think they are

803
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 5: a World Series caliber teams although you just named it series.

804
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: How about that next tier of like Dodgers.

805
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: Use the Phillies.

806
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: You put him on the Philly, he'd be nasty on

807
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a scary.

808
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: The only thing will be like putting him in the

809
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: lineup because like Bryce Harper is.

810
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 5: The d A nearing a return to play first base though,

811
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 5: so you have a good at first and then you

812
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 5: have to put swarm K's got an option.

813
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: That's not a bad one.

814
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: He was rumored to sign.

815
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 5: The fucking Disaster if that were to happen. Right now,

816
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 5: they're like a middling team, yes, but were put them

817
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 5: over the Home I'm not.

818
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 4: Saying about like what assets you'd have to give, because

819
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: they probably have to give some crazy stuff, like if

820
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 4: you just put them.

821
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: On another am.

822
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 5: If I'm the Mariners and I'm trying to say, hey,

823
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 5: I understand you really want to win long term. We're

824
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 5: not going to deplete our farm system by going after you.

825
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: Now.

826
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 5: We want you to come where there's going to be

827
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 5: a nucleus of guys coming up. Then I'm not even

828
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 5: like flirting with the idea right now. Maybe I make

829
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 5: a tentative call, and I'd be pissed if I were

830
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 5: to if I were to make some semblance of an

831
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 5: offer that the g him and as he agreed to

832
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 5: to trade him to Seattle right now, because he's a rental.

833
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I still like, listen the giants,

834
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 5: the giants could be one. But the thing is with Seattle.

835
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 5: The only way you do that is if and you

836
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: can't there's no collusion allowed. You can't talk to him

837
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 5: ahead of the trade. Is if you know for sure

838
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 5: that you are going to blow the bank to re

839
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 5: sign him. I mean, like you may have to pay

840
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 5: him like six hundred whole.

841
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: The whole breaks truck, not even like five brings.

842
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 5: Breaks trucks, like Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett would have to

843
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 5: like finance the.

844
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 4: Give giant fraction of his net worth dude from Japan

845
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: for so.

846
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: Hey, the dude from Japan, the Ace from Japan, mister Japan.

847
00:39:51,960 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: But he's actually playing pretty good too. Aside that, talking

848
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: about so Hey, realistically, I'm not talking about Let's see,

849
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: how many teams do you think currently have the funds

850
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: have the ability to sign so Hey?

851
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: Is it like five four?

852
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 5: I think the Rangers Giants for the Rangers can do

853
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 5: it because they gave sr and Semi combined four hundred

854
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 5: and seventy five million I think it was or five

855
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 5: hundred million dollars for those two guys. Obviously, the Dodgers,

856
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: the Dodgers the actual spend more money than you think.

857
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 5: I mean, they did sign Zach Rank to a big contract.

858
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: They just they just ate the Medison bum Gardener deal.

859
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 5: They ate that. The Giants can do it. The Giants

860
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: have money. They're like the second most valuable or third

861
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 5: most guy.

862
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 4: Say for like a year now that I think show

863
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: is going to be a giant. I don't know if

864
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that anymore.

865
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: But obviously I think Becauseres, oh my god, him and

866
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Speaker 1: the Padres.

867
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Speaker 2: Imagine that if.

868
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Speaker 5: The Braves are gonna sign on Tony for like one

869
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 5: year and six million, knowing the way that they signed

870
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 5: those guys like but he would.

871
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see the Phillies. I could see the Phillies.

872
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 4: I think he stays on the West Coast.

873
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think education.

874
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 5: I think he's going to be a Dodger.

875
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: I agree.

876
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 5: Imagine listening to Joe Davis calls show hate hitting a

877
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 5: home run every night. That's that's auditory six. I mean, like,

878
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 5: that's just amazing. The best broadcaster in baseball to hear

879
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 5: him calling a show hay homer and then him a

880
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 5: showy ten double digit strikeout games.

881
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 4: We won't hear it this year because the Angels aren't

882
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 4: making the best season.

883
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll go a little more talk about the

884
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: National League. I'll probably just bring up one division and

885
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: then we can go into awards. So I think the

886
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: most interesting one. Looking at it, it's kind of I

887
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: would say the one with more teams. Probably looking at

888
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: the trade down, I would say the NL West. Obviously

889
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: the East. The Braves are the top of the pack.

890
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: They're not they're not doing anything. They might add something,

891
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: who knows, just to get them over a little. Make

892
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: sure the number one there, but no Central. It's kind

893
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: of like a two team race. Maybe the Cubs going

894
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: at it, but the n West, the Dodgers, Arizona, the

895
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: Giants have made a push seemingly out of nowhere to

896
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: be to be in the wildcard spot.

897
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: And the Padres, you know, they have all these top guys.

898
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: It's just do they need another guy to be able

899
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: to put over that hump and get to the wild

900
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: card spot. So let's talk a little bit about the

901
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: West just then starting off with the Padres. Is that

902
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: even like seemingly remotely possible for them to I know

903
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: I just said buyers, but could they be like sellers,

904
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: like they're under five hundred, like Kevin, like you love

905
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: you love the Padres bro like like everything.

906
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: Here, like Juan Soto.

907
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: Bars, Gary Santas has just been like home run hitting

908
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: for them almost every game.

909
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to hear Kevin.

910
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: I think I don't think they make the playoffs. I

911
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: was talking today to Eli Isaac about this and I

912
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: was like, man, the Padres just lost the series to

913
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: the Phillies and they're not any better. Honestly, right now,

914
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 3: you could probably get a damn haul for Josh Hater

915
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: and Blake Snell if if you look to Cherry does

916
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: expiring contracts. And I'm not saying Miami. But right now,

917
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: Josh Haters having a hell of a year. Blake Snell,

918
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: I believe it was gonna be a sign of contender.

919
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 4: He's been the best pitcher in baseball for the last month.

920
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he's so fragile. I love Snell's stuff, but

921
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 5: I also think he his command is so suspect that, like,

922
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 5: the team that acquires him is essentially going to be

923
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 5: acquiring at best six innings and three walks. Like that's

924
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 5: just like Blake Snell.

925
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 4: Either way, the team that acquires him is gonna get better.

926
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 4: He's gonna be.

927
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 5: Today he walks seven today, like and he and and

928
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 5: like that's bad. But like, I feel like he's a

929
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 5: guy that like I'm sure if you did a Stadhead query,

930
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 5: he's probably got the most four plus walk games.

931
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 4: His split since Gary Sanchez got there has been not literally.

932
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 5: Just defensive catchers. So it's so weird the way baseball works.

933
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 5: I guess it's like they just away, I mean negative

934
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 5: two negative inagers, it becomes a positive. I don't know.

935
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 4: But if you trade him, you have to try and

936
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 4: get Sanchez too. But like that would kill two birds

937
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 4: of one stone from Miami. Not that it would ever happen.

938
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 4: It's not gonna happen.

939
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 5: But like Joe did say yesterday who you were, Yeah,

940
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 5: that he did say that he was okay with the

941
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 5: Padres trading off assets.

942
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 2: Yah.

943
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 5: I think it's actually smart, smarter to do that now.

944
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: I think.

945
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 5: I mean, Machada, you really can't move yet, he's in

946
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 5: like the first year of a revamped eleven year deal.

947
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 5: But so do you can trade, so you can trade.

948
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: That's the three cool some of like the assets that

949
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: they lost.

950
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 5: Exactly because the Nationals really did well. Though you know,

951
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 5: Mackenzie Gore has been great of late. James Wood is

952
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 5: like the coming through the minor league system, like you

953
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 5: got they got guys. Abrams has been kind of inconsistent. Robert,

954
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 5: there's a room for them to get better. I definitely

955
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 5: think that, Like, you know, you could trade Sodo. I

956
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 5: think now, especially when you have another year of control

957
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 5: with him going into next year, you have him for

958
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 5: a potential playoff run and then you have him for

959
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 5: the duration of a full season like that, Like you know,

960
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 5: what's a weird one that I actually like want. Soto

961
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 5: could be nice on the Twins. Wan on the Twins

962
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 5: would seal that division.

963
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: I think really.

964
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 5: Yet, I think you're gonna get the usual below average defense.

965
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 5: I think he's got like this like Ted Williams disease,

966
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 5: where he just loves hitting so much that defense is

967
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 5: just an afterthought for him because he's always been like

968
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 5: except for like one year there's like twenty nineteen where

969
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 5: he was just a really bad defensive, really good defense.

970
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 5: About that, he's just consistently bad, Like he's just a

971
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 5: below average defender, below average arm. Like, he just loves hitting,

972
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 5: and I think that manifests in him not giving too

973
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 5: too much care to his defen fense, though I'm sure

974
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 5: he'd tell you otherwise, but just the bat itself is

975
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 5: so lethal, like when like even if he's not hitting,

976
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 5: he's gonna walk enough that you're gonna still somehow find

977
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 5: a way to win, you know, a majority of your games.

978
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 5: And that's so inherently valuable. Like I talk about played

979
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 5: discipline a lot, but like, can you just imagine a

980
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 5: lineup of like Jan Soto, Carlos Correa and you know,

981
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 5: like Alex Kerlof and maybe if Randi or like and

982
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: Pablo Lopez. Yeah, like that's that's good team. That's a

983
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 5: good team. They're already a good team. Baldelli's is a

984
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 5: great manager.

985
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 4: That for an office is what does Minnesota trade for him?

986
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 4: That's because they farm last year to go as they

987
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: just got sucked dry.

988
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: I don't think still have value.

989
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you'd probably headline a Soto package.

990
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: But.

991
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 5: Though is like one of those things that you're just

992
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 5: gonna have to like yeah, like I don't know, and

993
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 5: the Padres don't need another short stop.

994
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, they solace trade by he's done, it's gone, and.

995
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: Would be Yeah, he's been. He's been raking the ball

996
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: as of late.

997
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 3: He has and that's the thing. He would highlight your

998
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 3: package and then you'll have much. I mean, the Twins

999
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 3: system is not that stacked.

1000
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 5: What about the teenage outfielder that the Marlins gave up

1001
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 5: in the Arise.

1002
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: Trade, Brian Turio?

1003
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, how was he because he hit well in the

1004
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 5: minors before the Marlins dealt to him. I don't know

1005
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 5: how he's doing this year, but.

1006
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 4: Probably it would be pretty insignificant in auto packaged either

1007
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 4: you look at one the Padres gave up to get him.

1008
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 4: I mean I feel like it would be something maybe

1009
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 4: not quite as much, but it would be something decently similar.

1010
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 4: I think you can.

1011
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 5: Get two very good minor leaguers and maybe one quality

1012
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 5: big leaguer for one.

1013
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 4: So right now, if you were like Woods, would you

1014
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: guys say that the Rise trade shot them in the

1015
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 4: foot the trying Minnesota. Do you think that would help

1016
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 4: them or is that actually hurting their chances more because

1017
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 4: you would have more in trade infield because.

1018
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 5: I don't think that matters. I don't think that matters

1019
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: because they already have enough infield depth. I think a

1020
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: right like like Hassan Kim Can is going to live it. Well.

1021
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 2: I it's not gonna be crazy.

1022
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 5: This this may sound crazy, but I think Hassan Kim

1023
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: will finish with as much, if not slightly more wins

1024
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 5: above replacement on both than Grass and Baseball Reference and

1025
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: Luisa Rise because he's above average hitter and he's.

1026
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 4: He's been really good as of lately. I'm only looking

1027
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 4: at his fantasy numbers like he's been hitting over the

1028
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 4: last month.

1029
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 5: He was signed for his power, and like when you

1030
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 5: go to pet Go, it's like you're just gonna depreciate

1031
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 5: your power, is gonna appreciate You're gonna lose so to

1032
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 5: that for then his defense is elite and like that's

1033
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 5: why he's so good. It's no matter what infield position

1034
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 5: he's playing.

1035
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: He's a four player right now.

1036
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 4: He's gonna win a terrible start.

1037
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 5: He was like, guys, like that one win the m

1038
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 5: v P obviously because the defense is important. But like

1039
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 5: they obviously it's an award predicated more on offensive prowess.

1040
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 5: But I still think that he's so good he'll he'll equal,

1041
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 5: if not to clips a rise in total value. But

1042
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 5: like trading like that, the arise. Trade doesn't really matter

1043
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 5: in that regard because the Potteries don't need another infielder.

1044
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 5: They don't enough.

1045
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 3: I want to give a destination. Would Cincinnati be a

1046
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 3: spot for so that's grand spot, But cure me out

1047
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 3: because think think about it, though they need to give

1048
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: up prospects.

1049
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 4: I mean sanch not hitting. They're good on hitting.

1050
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: San Diego needs pitching.

1051
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 4: Reds need pitching. That's not trade that Reds are gonna make.

1052
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: I've seen Reds fans talk about Otani. I love, but

1053
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 4: that's the city Cincinnati can't afford. Joe Burrow and Sho

1054
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 4: Tani extended within the same three months span, like this

1055
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 4: tiny little city will literally that happened.

1056
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 5: Happens, Brant would be paying like sixty dollars for a

1057
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 5: bag of rice, Like.

1058
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 4: Basically yes, no, but it would be the city tax would.

1059
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: Be not going from that. Let's show, Hey, let's finish

1060
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: the answer kept's question.

1061
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 4: It's not an option.

1062
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: Let's finish up these last ten minutes.

1063
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: We could do like every single award, but I think

1064
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: we could just do focus on the two that are

1065
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: the most wide open, and.

1066
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: That's the cy Young for the m L and for

1067
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: the AL.

1068
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: We kind of could do this, like I don't want

1069
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: to say predictions, but I'm gonna go by like more

1070
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: of a format for this question. Maybe I want to

1071
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: hear everyone, maybe on the AOL m OL, who you

1072
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: think have the best shot Kevin.

1073
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: For cy Young? I think in the AL, I liked

1074
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: I liked what Joe Ryan has done, but he didn't

1075
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: even make the All Star Game and he's been really

1076
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: good for the Twins.

1077
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 4: But wow, the MVP Star Game yet won it. I

1078
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 4: think Evado did it in twenty ten, but I don't

1079
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 4: know any others that did.

1080
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 5: He made the Al SAR team as a final vote

1081
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 5: in twenty ten and won the m v P.

1082
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 3: And then for the NL. I mean he's doing now.

1083
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 5: He has been too inconsistently.

1084
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: I don't know he's been so good.

1085
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 4: All right, let's start some hot takes in here.

1086
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: Oh lord, all right?

1087
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: I think right now the season where the end up,

1088
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: my AL Si Young would be Garri Coole, My NL

1089
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 4: sim would be Logan Web. However, if when it's all

1090
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: said and done, my two sy Youngs will be NL

1091
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 4: Spencer Strider, Al Joe Ryan. I think Joe Ryan will

1092
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: be the best pitcher in baseball number wise when it's

1093
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: all said and done. I think he's gotten a little

1094
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: bit unlucky yet he's still putting up insane numbers. But

1095
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 4: he's in a pretty bad division. And the Twins still

1096
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 4: have a lot of al Central games left and have

1097
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 4: one of the weekends a lot of I remember correctly,

1098
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 4: So I think Joe Ryan will finish out really really strong.

1099
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 4: You will, and then Strider racks up too many strikeouts.

1100
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: He's gonna rack up wins. He's gonna appeal to the

1101
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: older voters for sure.

1102
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 3: It's between Strider and Gallin. And I guess, if you want,

1103
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 3: if Blake Snow keeps doing what he's doing, I guess

1104
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: he's gonna get a voter too.

1105
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 5: But it's gonna be you guys mentioned Stroman, though.

1106
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 4: Stroman he's an accident waiting to happen.

1107
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 3: Lucky he is.

1108
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: He's been so lucky, had that one complete game and

1109
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 4: a couple of other solid starts. But out against Saint

1110
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 4: Louis three two thirds, guy seven hits four runs.

1111
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 5: For the most part, you're here, you're for the most part,

1112
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 5: you're gonna have a little bit of luck, or you're

1113
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 5: gonna have a little bit of bad luck. If you

1114
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 5: look at his e r A to fit, it's like

1115
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 5: half a run. Sure, he probably wouldn't be and hit.

1116
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 5: So put this way, he's got a two eighty eighty

1117
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 5: r A and he's got a three thirty nine. Logan

1118
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 5: Webb has like a three on nine ERA and like

1119
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 5: a three thirty fifth And Logan Webb leads NL pitchers

1120
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 5: in Baseball Reference War right now, and he leads the

1121
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 5: majors in innings pitch. He's probably gonna throw two hundred

1122
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 5: innings this year. That's like, that's not that big of

1123
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 5: a deal. If you're overpitching your your ERA by half

1124
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 5: a run, like it happens. We have war, we have

1125
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 5: awards that calculate where we have metrics that accommodate for

1126
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 5: you know, these kind of things. I think Stroman is

1127
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 5: maybe a safe pick right now, but Justin Steele is

1128
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 5: another guy that's really safe. I don't really have an answers.

1129
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 5: I mean right now. If Logan Webb continues to approve

1130
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 5: volume while limiting hits the way he is, I think

1131
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 5: he's going to be a guy that may win.

1132
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: The CY young.

1133
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 5: I like him as a potential sty young candidate. In

1134
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 5: the American League. I think Garrett Cole will get it

1135
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 5: done and probably win that first so young that he

1136
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 5: was kind of robbed of in twenty nineteen. MVP, though,

1137
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 5: I want to go m VP as show in the

1138
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 5: American League, and if it's nationally, I think it's a

1139
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 5: Kunya because it's just the balance of skills.

1140
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 4: That I think those are both your MVPs. I don't

1141
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 4: think it'll change unless Joe Hey get straighted to the

1142
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 4: n L. Then that creates a crazy conversation. I don't

1143
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 4: know how they would do that, but I think if

1144
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 4: everything stayed the same, it's Show Hey al MVP far

1145
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 4: and away. You should probably hold on. Who would chase

1146
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 4: down a Kunya though? In the n L, maybe Freeman

1147
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 4: like I have wild already got al MVP locked up

1148
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 4: the thing.

1149
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: I think it'll be an unanimously like it's not even close.

1150
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: Really, I don't. I don't think anyone's gonna beat a Kunya.

1151
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 5: But if someone before we go there, before we go though,

1152
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 5: I'll ask this question and then we'll do Rookie of

1153
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 5: the Year quick and we gotta keep going.

1154
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: Oh wait, let me give my quick for for pictures

1155
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: real quick. I think al I think a name we're

1156
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: forgetting Shane McClanahan from the Rays.

1157
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 5: Down every year qualifies for the year a title.

1158
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

1159
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: I think he had a chance to be as young

1160
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: I think more faimably, it's gonna go to Garrett Cole

1161
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: just the way that he's performing in the strikeouts and just.

1162
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 4: Hey, we had to talk about and yeah, he's overperformed

1163
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 4: incredibly in the Game of the Year. I think he

1164
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 4: won't hold on. But he had a crazy first half,

1165
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 4: the best picture in the first half.

1166
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: Honestly, a guy that could have also gotten it.

1167
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: Ida Lewis is here not not you know, joking around

1168
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: or anything, you know, completely healthy. I think Kershaw has

1169
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: a legit shot it to to be a top three

1170
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: cy Young vote getter.

1171
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was pretty injury. I think he can definitely

1172
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 4: win it.

1173
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's one of the greatest pictures of all time

1174
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 5: and he's still showing why he is. Before we go, though,

1175
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 5: I will say this, Akunya, obviously, with the collective body

1176
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 5: of work this year and even in years past, I

1177
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 5: mean even last year when it was a one hundred percent,

1178
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 5: he was still twenty percent of about league average. Is

1179
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 5: a hitter. Do you guys think that the depressed base

1180
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 5: running rules be very liberal? Kind of like you can

1181
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 5: only throw over twice, so it's very liberalized for base runners.

1182
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 5: The Akunya's kind of like very like large, like he's

1183
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 5: having a Joe Morgan kind of season right now with

1184
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 5: more power. Do you think the depressed rules on base

1185
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 5: running as far as base runners go, has depreciates in

1186
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 5: any way? The fact that Acuna stolen nearly fifty bases

1187
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 5: and we're still in July because everybody's running now. I mean,

1188
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 5: like like guys that weren't big bass Steelers before, Like

1189
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 5: Freddy Freeman's got like something like eight or nine stolen

1190
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 5: bases and like he's stole in ten before we're related.

1191
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 5: Like everybody's stealing bases nowadays. I'm like, Jacob Stalling is

1192
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 5: going to steal a base tomorrow or something something like what.

1193
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 4: He thinks more likely Jacob Strongs to throw out back

1194
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 4: to back runners in the same inning, or him to

1195
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 4: steal a base.

1196
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 5: A better chance of like me going on the moon,

1197
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 5: taking off my helmet and being and living.

1198
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 4: Neither better chance to be going on a date with Livyn.

1199
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 5: Oh God, alright, alright anyway at.

1200
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 4: That point in the podcast, so with with, I think

1201
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 4: we'll finish the supper going in hour.

1202
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: Let's do this a little rapid fire. I just want

1203
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: names names, Kevin n a rookie of the year, go

1204
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: hm hmmm.

1205
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be Josh Young, he's been really good,

1206
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: All Star starter and l who's even in the n L.

1207
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 4: Who's a rookie I can't even remember now, you know,

1208
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 4: is gonna flame.

1209
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 3: Call Corbyn Carroll. Yeah, although.

1210
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 4: Here's the thing with Ellie he was he was my

1211
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 4: sleeper pick the win. But like he did, he hasn't

1212
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 4: gotten off the hot enough of a start. He hasn't

1213
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 4: done anything since that cycle, which I guess we can

1214
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: lead that into my pick. I got Carroll.

1215
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 5: Honestly too, and like I think Corbyn, Carroll is gonna

1216
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 5: have a better career than Ellie Da La Cruz. I'm

1217
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 5: still there's enough in there to suggest that he's gonna

1218
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 5: sustain what He's so.

1219
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 4: Young though that it's it's tough to tell. Isn't Corbyn

1220
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 4: a little older?

1221
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 5: I could be twenty five?

1222
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: But even though twenty one. I feel fine about Ellie,

1223
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 4: but like that's.

1224
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 5: Hot, that's ridiculous, that's ridiculous, like to even do what

1225
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 5: he's doing, because if you look at most aged nineteen

1226
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 5: to twenty one seasons, I'm sure that most of them

1227
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 5: were not this good right off the bat.

1228
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 4: Dylan Cruise twenty one and was just in the MLB

1229
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 4: draft and like had to play in college and look

1230
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 4: at and Ellie just hit for the cycle against the

1231
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 4: best team.

1232
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: Base is turning twenty three in August.

1233
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 4: Corbyn is say twenty four?

1234
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: Okay, two?

1235
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 5: All right?

1236
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 3: Who is he a grant?

1237
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: All right?

1238
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 4: So, and I've got Carol, as much as I hate

1239
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 4: to say, a dark Corse though, someone who's really falling

1240
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 4: on the radar for numbers. Indiana two reds guys and

1241
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 4: neither room are Ellie Spencer Steer, Matt McClain, they've both

1242
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 4: been really good. They deserve.

1243
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 5: McClain is like a better Alec Boon.

1244
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been so consistent, like ever since his first

1245
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 4: day getting called up, like he's been a consistent three

1246
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 4: hundred hitter. He will probably say at three hundred the

1247
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 4: whole year. He's been good. But al I was talking,

1248
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 4: Ishida is al Rookie of the Year. I think right

1249
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 4: now I give it. I give it to Josh Young,

1250
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 4: but I think will win.

1251
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 5: I think we all have the same Josh Young and

1252
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 5: uh and uh, he's been tremendous.

1253
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 4: Give me Ishidah.

1254
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: All right, that's something a little more challenging. So we

1255
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: can so we can leave now that we hit an hour.

1256
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: Names names Okay, I want names Manager of the year

1257
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: Ao and Kevin and now.

1258
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: And no Ao, give me skip.

1259
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: I think what you've seen. But you know, the turnaround

1260
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 3: for that for Miami has been we I mean, obviously

1261
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: we see it more than others, but you know that

1262
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: clubhouse is it's crazy how that culture he's tried to

1263
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 3: start building a round. We're for it's they're they're buying

1264
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,959
Speaker 3: into it. And you know Tory Leavello should be another

1265
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: highly thought of candidate for Manager of the Year, but

1266
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: I know I don't care. But then we also have

1267
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: Derek Shelton, who's who got off to a great star

1268
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 3: for Pittsburgh, and obviously now they're kind of breaking it

1269
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 3: up there, but you know, it's kind of deteriorating what

1270
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: they've done. But I think it's skipped. And then for

1271
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 3: the A L.

1272
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 4: Names names, names, I got, I got mine ready for

1273
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 4: the Bruce Bochie all right, a L. I got Brandon

1274
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 4: Hyde of the Baltimore Orioles and n L. I mean

1275
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 4: I was kind of a skip guy, uh for for

1276
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: a while, but since the falloff, I think you just

1277
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 4: gotta give it to the manager of the best team,

1278
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 4: Brian Snicker. As much as I hate to say it,

1279
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 4: I hate the Braves, but Snicker, I'll give it to him.

1280
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 4: He's been the mag I do.

1281
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 5: I do think too. I mean, like it is something

1282
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 5: to say, there's something to say about managing a team

1283
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 5: of consistently great players the way that Snicker's done it.

1284
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 5: I think he's already won the award twice though, but.

1285
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 4: I'm given to the third time.

1286
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 5: But what I'm alluding to is the fact that like,

1287
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 5: having to manage so many of those personalities is a

1288
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 5: pretty huge undertaking, and obviously they can't. It's not only them,

1289
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 5: you know, they kind of you know, like those like

1290
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 5: Manager of the Year awards to me are always like

1291
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 5: the praise that people sing on like Taylor Swift or

1292
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 5: like Mariah Carey. It's like there's so many other people

1293
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 5: behind the scenes that kind of go into making those

1294
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 5: things happen, Like Mariah Carey's not playing any of the instruments.

1295
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 5: She's like, you know, Snicker's not making every move, Like

1296
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 5: there's a lot of other people that go into that

1297
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 5: making that decision. But that being said, a manager is

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Speaker 5: a symbolic unifying force, and the fact that Snicker's kind

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Speaker 5: of done so well despite their pitching being good but inconsistent,

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Speaker 5: Like that's that's something nationally for me, Like, yes, a

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Speaker 5: week ago, I probably would have said skip. But I

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Speaker 5: think I'm having this internal monologue with myself of like,

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Speaker 5: do I still believe that this team is going to

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Speaker 5: buy the deadline and go to the playoffs? Have no

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Speaker 5: freaking idea. I think Lavello though, because I think the

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Speaker 5: Diamondbacks really it was supposed to be next year that

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Speaker 5: that core was supposed to fully materialize, because I think

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Speaker 5: that this upcoming offseason would have been the one where

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Speaker 5: they add some more names to really supplement a young

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Speaker 5: core with the veterans, like a tell Marchain such as

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Speaker 5: already the future Hall of Famer. He's just doing. He's

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Speaker 5: just showing again why he's so great.

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Speaker 2: All I'm gonna put on my names.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quick Tonyallo from Arizona, and then I'm gonna go,

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Speaker 1: oh my guy just wrote his name. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: Kevin Cash with Teffa Bay again, just doing with a

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Speaker 1: roster like that. I think that's a good name there.

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Speaker 2: But we're gonna end it there. We're already over in

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Speaker 2: an hour.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank everyone for listening to the very

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Speaker 1: first episode of Baseball Buffs. Lewis, you have to flex,

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Speaker 1: you have to fleck, come on, come on, come on.

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Speaker 1: This is the first episode of Baseball Buffs. You can

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Speaker 1: check it out on Baseball Dot Buffs on TikTok on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: or you can just check it out check us out

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Speaker 1: on fish on First we're all a part of We

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Speaker 1: want to thank Eli for letting us do this. I'm

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Speaker 1: Daniel for Kevin for grant, for lewis Uh, for everybody listening.

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Speaker 1: I want to think we all want to thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for this. We can't wait to do this,

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Speaker 1: put more on TikTok Twitter moreover. I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be great, not just for for the people listening,

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Speaker 1: but also for Fish on first everyone involved.

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Speaker 2: Thank you again. I would say go Fish, but for

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Speaker 2: this one, go everyone. Let's go.

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Speaker 5: Let's echo shar Lanes. Baseball is the best baseball.

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Speaker 2: That's how we do it. Baseball is the best, perfect